Is America a nation or an idea? Host James Edwards addresses that fundamental question before program mainstay Sam Dickson and veteran activist Mark Thomey join the conversation during TPC’s annual Independence Day spectacular!
[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is The Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of The Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:28] Can you see what's so blue?
[00:00:52] Who's broad stripes and bright still there?
[00:02:17] My, how the country has changed since Francis Scott Key wrote those immortal words of the Star Spangled Banner. Welcome to tonight's live broadcast of TPC. I'm your host, James Edwards. It is our annual Independence Day spectacular. And yes, I do like the national anthem. I think it is a beautiful song.
[00:02:39] I think that particular performance, which over the last several years we have used as our lead-in for these Fourth of July broadcasts, and it's special. It's also the Fourth of July. I mean, you know, we do this every year. What more can we say about America's founding and where we've gone that we haven't said before?
[00:03:05] My opinions certainly haven't changed on the federal flag or anything like that. I don't have a federal flag on my property. Never have. Have a Confederate flag, of course. But this year gives us quite a bit more to say, in fact. For starters, again, as I say, how about the fact that the Fourth of July this year falls directly on a Saturday night? So thank you for spending your holiday evening with us. This is family time. You're cooking out. It's important.
[00:03:33] Holidays are important to a nation and its culture. Well, some holidays anyway. Christmas, Thanksgiving, maybe not some of the new ones that they've installed, these fake holidays. But the Fourth of July, even as a Southerner, I think we have to remember, as one of the Jolly Boys told me at Dixie Republic one year, you know, we all came from somewhere else. So what he means by that is before we were Southerners, we were Europeans.
[00:03:59] Before we were Southerners, we were Americans in the United States. And so that's what we're going to be examining tonight. Well, that among other things. What is the vibe across the country on this, its 250th anniversary? And we're going to explore that question in depth with an ensemble cast of contributors during, again, our annual Independence Day Spectacular.
[00:04:24] So you tune in and we're going to provide the fireworks tonight right here on your radio. And if you're tuning in after the fact, if you were busy on the Fourth of July, you're not listening live, but you're catching this in the broadcast archives, this still counts for you as well. Well, and I think as one of our friends put it, and we read this a few days ago or a few weeks ago, I guess, and sort of leading up to tonight,
[00:04:51] the changing demographics mean that so-called Americans have no connection whatsoever to the historic nation and regard its history as offensive, racist, and even evil. Meanwhile, many white Americans, especially those who are young and on the hard ride, are disillusioned with the entire national project. So Sam Dixon will be on in just a few minutes to help get this started. And then we will talk with veteran Southern Nationalist activist Mark Tommey later this hour.
[00:05:20] In the next hour, we are going to talk to Michael Gaddy, who, along with Mark Weber, are probably the two bona fide historians that we could bring to the table this evening. And I really wanted Mike Gaddy to be on this show, and he has agreed to spend a little bit of his Independence Day night with us. But so any thoughts on America, its founding, its mistakes, and its prospects are going to be in play.
[00:05:48] And I look at this deep bench, this deep roster we have of guests, and these are the men that I've picked. Michael Hill will be on tonight. Michael Hill as well. And we're going to be covering current events, news, politics, history. It's all going to be interwoven.
[00:06:07] And I think, you know, the one thing I would say is that we have two resources that we posted late this week at thepoliticalsessible.org. And just these two articles alone will diffuse any of the gaslighting that has been going on in public schools or wherever for the last 50 years, maybe the last 100 years.
[00:06:33] You don't have to go back much further than that to understand that nobody in this country, no serious person in this country, believed that America was a proposition nation. America is not a proposition nation. A nation itself is, by its very definition, well, I'll tell you, the Oxford Dictionary defines a nation as a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, and language inhabiting a particular country or territory.
[00:07:03] So blood and soil. America was a blood and soil nation like any other. You can't even be a nation if you're not a blood and soil nation. Our founding fathers, many of whom were slave owners, but even after abolition, you'd have to go all the way to JFK to find a president who wouldn't be considered a so-called white supremacist in today's parlance. Of course, those who want to rewrite American history love to trot out Thomas Jefferson's phrase,
[00:07:31] all men are created equal, while completely ignoring the purpose of the Declaration. It's a detailed list of 28 grievances that justified the separation from Britain in their minds. In this context, all men are created equal asserts that the colonists are equal to the British crown and that they have rights to sever ties. Jefferson and the signers of the Declaration were announcing that they consider themselves to be
[00:07:55] dealing with the king as equals, not suggesting that human beings are biologically equal or that their races were equal. Well, nobody believed that back then. You'd have to be an idiot to believe it now. And I'm reading now from this piece that was written by a gentleman some years ago. As it's been pointed out, the Declaration itself doesn't treat American Indians as equals. This is from the Declaration.
[00:08:21] He, the king, has excited domestic insurrections amongst us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is its undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions. So it's also very well known that the United States Naturalization Law of the 1790 passed by the very first Congress
[00:08:46] was explicit in its inegalitarian conception of American citizenship, which limited it to, listen to me, folks, limited it to free white persons of good character. So Indians, white and indentured servants even, slaves, free blacks, and later Asians were all excluded. So there you have it. If it was a proposition nation, why didn't they just say so? Why did we have to wait until the 1960s to figure it out? What is a propositional nation? Now that's what's scary.
[00:09:15] Here are the standard definitions for a proposition. Something offered for consideration or acceptance. A theorem or a problem to be demonstrated or performed. So it's hardly encouraging to think of one's nation as something offered for consideration or a theorem or a problem. As a practical matter, the contemporary meaning would be a nation defined by ideology or legal doctrine rather than, say, by race or ancestry or religion or culture.
[00:09:41] A proposition nation, therefore, has none of the elements that a traditional nation is considered to be. So the term in and of itself is a contradiction. What attracts people to the idea of a propositional nation is the rejection of a true meaning of a nation, which is, as we know, common blood, common descent, common culture. Whites, but only whites, believe that rejecting these things is enlightened or progressive or virtuous.
[00:10:08] No proposition, let me tell you, no proposition can hold together a nation with stark racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious differences. Such diverse nations are kept together with constant propaganda, bribery, coercion, and even force. And this is not just true of the United States, but also of Malaysia, Lebanon, the former Yugoslavia, Sudan, the Soviet Union. Clearly, only white nations are ever called propositions. No one would say this about Japan or Pakistan.
[00:10:38] The United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are special targets for being called propositions because they were settled through immigration. But even now, of course, continental European countries now talk about their commitments to diversity and opening the borders to non-Europeans. We're going to get into so much more of this tonight. We are just getting started. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Hey, folks. It's your friend Harry Cooper here.
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[00:13:36] I just lied to Sam Dixon. I told him we had John Philip Sousa on deck. That was actually some fife and drum music from the Revolutionary War. But before we reintroduce our good friend and regular contributor, just a quick summation on what we were talking about in the previous segment. America not a proposition nation, obviously, in the sense that the proposition, of course, itself universally applies only to whites and undermines our own claims in our own nations.
[00:14:05] And we can be sure that once whites are sufficiently reduced in numbers and power, this charade of propositions will be discarded, and the newly dominant racial groups will engage in their own ethnocentric struggles for power, the proposition be damned. And, of course, again, we are the only people who can be tricked into suicide of this kind. Belief in this proposition is self-inflicted genocide. The proposition nation is fraud.
[00:14:31] America was a blood-and-soil nation like any legitimate nation, and we must remain dominant in our ancestral lands. Next week, Peter Brimelow will be back with us to break down the SCOTUS ruling on the 14th Amendment. We'll touch on that later this hour as well. But first, let's welcome back now, without further ado, Sam Dixon. Sam, you know the topic tonight. It is the 4th of July, our 250th as a nation, if you consider the United States to be that.
[00:15:01] Lots to talk about, and I know you have notes. Where do we begin, my friend? Well, I will say that my view of the Declaration of Independence is not a positive one. I know that will not sit well with a lot of people. I regret that. I don't want to just provoke people. No, I do think it was a very, very bad document. Start up, I think.
[00:15:31] I'm not alone. Alexander H. Stevens, the Vice President of the Confederacy, on his way to Richmond, made a speech in Savannah, Georgia called the Cornerstone Speech. And he said that the South was fighting to put an end to the idea that all men were created equal. And so I'm not the only person to criticize this.
[00:15:56] And I was very impressed that Trump's statement, when King Charles visited recently, he said that because we sang, God saved the king, we can sing, my country, tis of thee. And that's really the right way to look at things. And I compare the way, well, first off, to reassure our people listening,
[00:16:23] obviously the United States had to be an independent country. That was in the cards. There's no way that a continent could be ruled from England 4,000 miles away. We had to take the course of history that Australia, New Zealand, Canada took. But the way we took it was not healthy. It was not healthy for us.
[00:16:50] I compare it to the fact that when you're rearing children and they become teenagers, there's a certain amount of tension because the children or the young fellow is straining at the leash. Nature has structured him where he's getting ready to leave the family nest and start a family of his own. And there are different ways that he can leave the family. He could, you know, a responsible child.
[00:17:18] And the best scenario is where he educates himself and is given more and more freedom and more and more, the leash is extended out. And he ends up leaving the house. His wife leaves her house, his bride, and her father gives her away at the church at the wedding. He's a man. Or you can have somebody that rebels and becomes a skinhead and runs away from home.
[00:17:48] There are different ways that plays out, as we all know. And America followed the second of those. We were like the irresponsible child that has a tantrum and runs away from his family. And of course that's very popular nowadays. It's like Oprah Winfrey and others to attack your parents and run them down and be an ingrate is really quite the thing nowadays. And that's really what we did.
[00:18:16] The declaration that set the purpose of our breakup with our other country was a bad document in and of itself. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, finish your thought. Well, it contains in it, it goes without saying that most of what it says about King George is a lie. King George was a very kindly man. He was a Christian man.
[00:18:46] He was a constitutional monarch. And Americans in 1776, along with their cousins in Britain, were the freest people on earth.
[00:18:57] But because of the way we left our mother country, we have created this false ideology that we're marinated in every July 4th about British tyranny and the horrors of monarchy and how we overcame the tyrant King George.
[00:19:18] And that's why I like to say that the declaration was the first sort of forged deed that took away our heritage from us, that disdossessed us. Everything, as my father used to say, everything that we believe and cherish, we bought with us from Great Britain. And instead, we are taught to despise our heritage.
[00:19:44] And that question of the premise was the first founding doctrine in destroying our heritage and depriving us of it. This is a very important point that Sam brings up right now. There was no doubt that the colonists, who I admire in many ways, and we'll talk about that in just a moment, there was some wartime propaganda going on. Every belligerent engages in it, and the American founding fathers were no different.
[00:20:13] I would say this, though, Sam, about them, and this has nothing to do with the country as it exists today, but trying to go back and just examine these men at that time, there's no doubt that these were remarkable men. They were geniuses. They put it all on the line. I mean, Thomas Jefferson, it's hard to say because there was no testing done at this time,
[00:20:35] but it is thought that people like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin had IQs equal to or beyond that of Albert Einstein, you know, approaching 160, 170, 180 IQ. I like Kennedy's, President Kennedy's comment about Thomas Jefferson when he had a group of Nobel laureates hosted at a dinner at the White House.
[00:21:03] He said, I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. These were remarkable men. And with regards to the Declaration, and I know you know this because we talk about this every year on the program and off the air as well, but the context of it, of course, was that Jefferson was writing that the colonists were equal to King George, the king,
[00:21:29] and not that all races were equal, as it is said today, that that is what he meant. How much can we blame them for not having the foresight to see the degradation of this country 250 years later? Well, I think that they obviously were very intelligent people, more intelligent than I am, but that doesn't mean they were infallible or that what they created was perfect.
[00:21:58] And we are at liberty, and we have to use our intellects and our experience in history to make an honest appraisal. And they did some things right, but they did a lot of things wrong. And Jefferson himself, while he was obviously extremely intelligent, he was like the old saying, some dog roll from English poetry about the little girl, when she was good, she was very, very good, but when she was bad, she was horrid.
[00:22:28] And Jefferson is a very uneven person. The Declaration is an awful document. It says two things that are not true, and if he didn't mean them, he shouldn't have written them. It's like Lenin said, he who says A must say B. You know, when you say things in the founding document, like things that are so absurd,
[00:22:54] like all men are created equal, and the second absurdity, are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. And I know that you have advertisements on this wonderful program that you host that talk about this in just glowing terms. And I've heard people talk about the God-ordained Declaration and Constitution. That's not true.
[00:23:19] They're human products, and they're not sacred, and they should be examined thoughtfully. And a lot of things Jefferson did that were really horrible. We would not have won this revolutionary war without the help of the French monarchy. Well, Jefferson applauded the destruction of the French monarchy, and I think he approved of the execution of Louis XVI and his wife, Marie Antoinette.
[00:23:48] There was no gratitude there. He made the remark about the French Revolution that the tree of liberty must be watered with blood every so often. And this is in reference to the reign of terror and the horrors that came with so-called democracy, overthrowing a monarch who had very benevolent intentions. He was an ingrate. And he foolishly sided with people like Roses Pierre.
[00:24:19] He was not perfect. He was a brilliant guy, a genius. He was not perfect. That is a great place to push pause on this conversation. This is the reason I wanted to have Sam, not just to have Sam on tonight, but have him to be the leadoff in this parade of contributors that we'll be having tonight, this Independence Day, 2026. Stay tuned. One more second with Sam coming up after the break.
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[00:30:42] I hope if you're tuned in live, you are having a wonderful holiday evening with your family. Thank you for making us part of your festivities. If you're listening after the fact of the broadcast archives, I hope you did have a wonderful Independence Day evening with your loved ones. Sam and I holding down the fort here on the talk radio airwaves this evening on the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. And, you know, Sam, I've said in the past that, well, first of all, again,
[00:31:11] I consider myself to be of English stock, of Scots-Irish stock, of European stock, every bit as much as I identify as being an American. And more recently, you know, I'm considered my, of course, very proud of our southern patrimony that we share that, you know, of course manifested in the mid-1800s. But we are all Europeans, first of all. So American, you know, British, whatever. It doesn't make that big of a difference to me in that sense.
[00:31:39] I would just say that I guess I'm still thankful that we are so-called a free nation if for no other reason than it seems as though we're about 20 years better off than Britain with regards to their draconian hate speech laws, the complete and utter lack of free speech and gun rights over there. So good one on the boys for giving us those rights, as tenuous as they may still exist.
[00:32:07] But the question I wanted to ask you in this segment is you go back to 1776, 250 years ago today, and you look at where we were and you think of where we are now, and not just where we are now politically and racially, but all of the technological advancements and just everything that's happened in the last 250 years. But if you take our current trajectory and extrapolate that 250 years from now, what does this place look like?
[00:32:36] Well, I don't think it will be here 20 years from now. A question that I need to ask people is do you think – what do you think this place will look like in 20 years? And, I mean, it's going fast. It was announced last week that Georgia has finally left the long, dark darkness of whiteness and that we have become a majority non-white state.
[00:32:59] And that will thrill people like Rachel Maydow and the others that hate us, that regard us with the hatred they have nurtured for centuries. But for us it's terrible. But no, 250 years from now, this will be what we've been through, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the country that we live in to some extent today,
[00:33:26] what will be as remote as the Egypt of the pharaohs and the pyramids is from the Egypt for today. It will be much, much, much – it will be telescoped much faster. It will be much faster. But the – it's – this country started out with a – it's like a surveying error. If a surveying error starts out with a slight error, one degree, one or two degrees long in the call,
[00:33:53] the result of the survey is terribly botched when it comes back to the point of beginning. And we were unfortunate that we started out with this Declaration of Independence. You were mentioning an area ago the light to bear arms and things like that. That didn't come with us to the Declaration. Now, that came to us from the Constitution. And those are two very different documents. I'm happy to be descended. I'm not descended from any sign of the Declaration of Independence,
[00:34:20] but I am descended from a representative of South Carolina that was a delegate in South Carolina to the Constitutional Convention. And Carol of Virginia, of Maryland, who was the only woman Catholic at the Constitutional Convention, he said about it that it was the triumph of experience over theory. And there is an obvious tension between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
[00:34:49] Today, one of the hammers that we're beaten with in the incessant psychological warfare that's waged against Anglo-Saxon Americans and against white American, European Americans, is the so-called betrayal of the Declaration of Independence represented by the Constitution. And that attitude has deep roots in America.
[00:35:12] Abraham Lincoln, on his way to take his oath of office, unlike Alexander H. Stevens and Savannah, he went through Pennsylvania on his way to Washington, and he made a speech in Independence Hall. And he explicitly said that given a choice between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, he prefers the Declaration of Independence. And that makes sense.
[00:35:37] It's a wild, fanatical, inaccurate, goofy document based upon two very obviously false ideas, that people are equal, and that everybody has some sort of John Locke claim, that everybody's got some kind of inalienable rights. That's just not true. We have rights like bearing arms and right to jury trial and right to a lawyer
[00:36:05] and protection from the king coming into our house. All that came to us from the Declaration of Rights, that the English Parliament drew up in 1692, drawing upon a thousand plus years of experience as Anglo-Saxons living on their island. And we're not a free country. We're compelled to say thousands of times, one nation with liberty and justice for all. That is a falsehood.
[00:36:35] And people are forced to say that in order to con them. Let's take one recent example of where we are today because of things like the Declaration of Independence. Snowden, the great hero, who revealed the criminal program that the Obama-Biden administration had
[00:36:55] of copying every email, accessing every phone call that any American citizen made or received, and lying about it under oath to Congress and denying the program existed. Biden was in this up to his eyeballs. At the end of that, when Snowden revealed the American people, this incredible violation of the Fourth Amendment, the things that the king never did,
[00:37:25] Biden personally took charge of the effort to prevent Snowden from finding refuge, to bring him back and to put him in jail where he probably would have died. Biden deserved to be in jail. He didn't deserve to be in the White House. With all the people involved in this incredible violation of freedom and our explicit rights under the Fourth Amendment, the only person who ever was charged with a crime
[00:37:55] was the person who told us the truth about it. And people like Biden and the others that created and perpetrated this program, they never so much as saw the inside of a grand jury room. And all this kind of stuff is masked behind this soapy language, this sugary language of the Declaration of Independence. And people, I think to some extent people can't see it because they have been so deceived by the Declaration.
[00:38:22] A lot of great food for thought here by Sam Dixon, and I know that he has quite a few rounds left in the chamber. We have just a minute or two left, Sam. I want to thank you again for spending some of your Fourth of July night with us. I just want to get back to this whole thing about the relative national infancy of the United States. 250 years is like a comet in the history of nations.
[00:38:49] And when you said 20 years, 20 years from now it may be all gone. I don't think that that's really an exaggeration. It very well could go that way. Well, they wanted to go that way. They want, they, I mean the people that rule over us who have had their tap roots in things like the Declaration, they want us not to be a European country. They want European and Christian Americans oppressed, exploited,
[00:39:18] worn down, and ground under. That's what they want. I'm convinced that many of them really would like to see all of us taken out into Joseph Stalin's Coutinho Woods and a bullet put in the back of our head. I think that's what people like Rachel Maydow want. And they are determined to get it. You know, Sam, all I can say is it may go that way. We're all doing this in hopes for a better future
[00:39:48] and a pivot at some point, somehow, some way, some catalyst, some event will happen. And that's why we stoke these embers. If we were resigned to the woods, as you mentioned, then it would be much easier just to lay back and wait for the day to come. We're all fighting for a better future for our people and our own survival. But I would just ask you this, as the music is about to begin to play, is there any sort of vibe in Atlanta right now? Are people excited about 250 years of America? I mean, this should be a pretty big event. But I'm not feeling it.
[00:40:17] I don't perceive a lot of excitement about it. I think on some subconscious level, people realize that the bus has been driven into the ditch. You know, when I was a child, there were certain phrases you heard all the time. One was, it's a free country, isn't it? I don't hear that phrase anymore. And I think on some subconscious level, people realize it's not a free country. Sam Dixon, happy 4th of July, my friend.
[00:40:46] I appreciate you. We will talk again very soon. And enjoy the rest of your night there on the East Coast. Well, thank you so much for the opportunity to be with you. You're very welcome. My honor, as always. We'll be right back. Find your inner rebel at Dixie Republic, the world's largest Confederate store, located in Traveler's Rest, South Carolina. The anti-white, anti-Christ, anti-Southern world ends at the asphalt.
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[00:43:34] Again, the great Sam Dixon for starting off our lineup of guests tonight, all specifically chosen for this particular show because of the fit that they bring. And now joining us is veteran Southern Nationalist activist, Mark Tommey, of the League of the South. And now with the Southern Nationalist League, Michael Hill will be with us in the next hour, as well as historian Michael Gaddy and others. So stay tuned. Mark, it's great to have you back.
[00:44:03] I can remember, you know, traditionally this time of year, we are at Dixie Republic for their Dixie Fest. They didn't do that this year, but I can remember sitting there with you there at the store and talking to you on a 4th of July, a very hot one, very similar to this one tonight, and just talking about the history of this country and its wrong turns and everything else. So I would just ask you, my friend, on this, the 250th anniversary of the American Experiment, what are you thinking?
[00:44:34] Well, first off, I wouldn't say it's the 250th anniversary. I would say it's the 161st anniversary of the Lincolnian monstrosity that we were saddled with after Appomattox Courthouse, the original republic at Appomattox. So I think it's a bit of a delusion to talk about celebrating 250 years of something that died a long time ago.
[00:45:04] You know, hey, folks, this is, again, this is why we picked these gifts. That is a great observation and very well put. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, James. And, you know, then the next thing on my mind is I would ask everybody to stop and think about this and ask themselves this question. Where is this much vaunted freedom that we hear about all the time here in the United States of America?
[00:45:33] You know, when I stop and think about the fact that the government confiscates your wages, which makes you a slave, you can't get on an airplane without going through the Gestapo checkpoints and being humiliating and having your person assaulted and your rights denied. The government constantly surveils us now, whether it's cameras everywhere,
[00:46:01] whether it's listening in on our phone conversations or reading our emails or anything else. So, again, I ask, where is this wonderful freedom that we enjoy here in America? You know, one other example. I've been working with some friends of mine down in Florida for over a year now. All they want to do is add a room, a bedroom and a bathroom to their home. And for over a year, we've been going back and forth, and we still can't get them a building permit.
[00:46:31] You know, what happened to the time when you could do what you wanted with your own property without having to beg permission from the government? And then one other thing, too, another pet peeve of mine. We don't actually own real estate anymore in this country. You know, you rent it from the Lord High Sheriff of the county. In my particular situation, you know, my 21 acres here in Alabama
[00:46:58] was bought and paid for the day I closed on it. You know, I haven't owed anybody anything on this property since I bought it. Yet, if I don't pay my tribute to the Lord High Sheriff of Blount County every year, they will auction it out from under me from the steps of the Blount County Courthouse. So explain to me where this wonderful freedom is, because I don't see it. So it's a great series of questions there from Mark Tommy.
[00:47:28] And, Mark, you said something a moment ago. I don't have it pulled up. I have read it before during our annual Independence Day broadcast. So I'm just going to have to go from memory here, because I didn't have it in my notes to read this year. But Michael Perutka, who was a very successful lawyer, he was the Constitution Party presidential candidate quite a few cycles ago, and more recently was an elected public official in Maryland.
[00:47:59] But he said, in fact, was basically echoing what you said, that the United States, as envisioned by our founding fathers, ended on July the 4th of 1863. He said, once the Confederates were retreating from Gettysburg, the country that the founding fathers had in mind, no longer existed and never would again, as they slipped across the Potomac back to the relative safety of Virginia. That was the end of the American experiment,
[00:48:28] as envisioned by the founding fathers. Would you agree with that? Oh, absolutely. You know, which brings to mind, talk about July 4th, 1863. My great-great-grandfather and his brother were surrendering at Vicksburg on July the 4th, 1863. So for me, the 4th of July is a day of mourning rather than celebration,
[00:48:54] because my country was losing its independence on that day. It began and ended on July 4th. If you look at it in that context, 1776 to 1863, now perhaps the golem or the zombie of the United States still exists, or the United States as we knew it. And it's still, listen, I mean, I understand. It is inherent in people to want to be patriotic.
[00:49:22] Like, I have no truck with people who are shooting fireworks, trying to think back to the, you know, again, the night Francis Scott Key wrote the Star-Spangled Banner. You try to go back to that time and try to find something worthy of being proud of. Do that. Before an excuse to have your family together, do that. But without the illusions of that we are a great and good country, that is, you know, a nation in any understandable sense of the word.
[00:49:52] Yeah, well, you know, this is another thing we've suffered over the last 160 years is the loss of the true meanings of words. You know, for example, I have argued for some time now that the United States of America is not a country. It is not a nation by the proper understandings of those words. The United States of America is nothing more than the federal government that was created by the ratification of the U.S. Constitution.
[00:50:25] So it's ridiculous to say you're patriotic to your government. It makes no sense. The word patriotism comes from the Latin word patria, which means your native land, you know, your soil, the place where you live. So in a proper understanding of the words nation and country, the United States doesn't qualify. It's simply a system of government. Your country is Alabama or Virginia or Arkansas, you know,
[00:50:55] and your nation is the blood and flesh and blood people you belong to. Again, the word natio. The word nation, English word nation comes from the Latin natio, which means to be born. You know, so it has nothing to do with your government. It has everything to do with your genetics, the people you belong to as a result of that.
[00:51:20] And the definition of a country in the Oxford English Dictionary is a nation with its own government. So there again, you know, Alabama is a country. Florida is a country. Virginia is a country. The United States of America is nothing but a system of government. And to be just claim patriotic, to be patriotic to that is foolish. Be patriotic to your. No, no, no. Listen, I mean, loyalty begins at home.
[00:51:47] Loyalty to our to our to our family, to our blood, to our race. Our race is our extended family. That is where your loyalty and your patriotism should be applied. And it is good when it can be coherent with. A country and a government, it's good when they all three overlap and are in our congruent. But of course, that is not the case.
[00:52:08] And of course, the powers that be, Mark, have taken very good and natural and healthy instincts to be patriotic and turned it into supporting this federal leviathan. Now, again, you're out on the lake. You're shooting fireworks. You're eating. You're grilling out. You're having a good time with your family. You're listening to, you know, some some marches. Don't feel bad about that. I do it, too. But I also understand everything we're talking about tonight to be true. And perhaps one day, all of that affection can be poured back into where it is.
[00:52:38] It is actually. Yeah, absolutely. And those of us who have been involved in the Southern Nationalist Movement for the last three decades, you know, that's that's the thing that we've been preaching constantly is that give your loyalty back to your blood and your soil. And the heck with that striped red and white striped barber pole decoration that represents the federal government.
[00:53:02] You know, Walmart's making a lot of money in these Southern towns because the South is by our very nature, you know, for lack of a better word, very patriotic. We love to fight. We love to rally behind the flag. Any any any any calls to fight will do. And certainly Walmart is making a lot of money with these Chinese made flags that you see up there. I mean, they are festooned in every main street in the South and a lot of yards. And I'm just thinking and I said this to open the show.
[00:53:28] I've never allowed a federal flag on my property and and don't and won't. And we don't have any here on the 4th of July, but at our house on the 4th of July, rather. But, you know, you see him and I'm just thinking, you know, how could a Southerner, you know, really get excited about that and have it hanging on their porch? I mean, again, if you do, I understand, I think, what you're thinking. But, you know, anyway, it crosses my mind. Yeah, well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, it's the flag of the enemy.
[00:53:54] You know, as to quote the lyrics of the song, I'm a good old rebel, I hate their striped banner. You got the red, white and blue. Hey, listen, our flag was red, white and blue, too, I guess, but just not in that particular pattern. But if you've got the bunting up, again, I understand it, folks. God bless you. It's not a bad thing. But we need to also remember the things that Mark Tommy is saying right now, what Sam Dixon said before,
[00:54:22] and what I imagine you're going to hear from Michael Hill in the next hour. Mark, hope to see you a little bit later this summer, maybe down in Wetumpka or somewhere. And always good to talk to you, my friend. Thanks for being on with us tonight. Likewise, James. Thank you for letting me be on the show. Appreciate it. God bless you, brother. You're always an asset to it. We'll be back in the second half right after these words.