Nick Griffin, former Member of the European Parliament, discusses the current situation on the mother continent, where, for the third consecutive summer, the United Kingdom appears to be a tinderbox poised to ignite.
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[00:00:28] Welcome everybody to tonight's live broadcast of TPC. I'm your host, James Edwards. This Saturday evening, June the 20th, it's going to be another action-packed broadcast. I'll be spending my birthday weekend with you and with Keith Alexander and with two old friends, Nick Griffin and Patrick Martin.
[00:00:53] First, Nick will be with us in just a moment to talk with us about the unrest in the UK, and I understand we have him here now. How are you doing, Dave? Our good friend and former member of the European Parliament needs no introduction to this listening audience, of course. Nick, it's great to have you. We'll say a quick hello. And before I forget, because we forgot to wish everyone this back in May, we forgot Mother's Day. First time ever. Happy Father's Day to you, Nick, and to everyone else listening.
[00:01:21] And happy birthday to you, James. Thank you, thank you. And Father's Day to you, Nick. Thank you. I'm glad we finally found something that the Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland can agree on. Okay, let's get to it. Let's start right there, because, Nick, the situation was we had you booked out several weeks ago, and I basically wanted to catch up on, well, the latest ongoings on the Mother Continent, on the British Isles.
[00:01:50] And you fill us in on any things that have developed since your last appearance with us in March. And then so much has happened, I don't think we could fill it in a month. So as I describe it, you have the United Kingdom for at least now the third summer in a row, if I can recall, appears to be a tinderbox poised to ignite. What is the latest catalyst? What is the powder keg going on right now? You've been writing about it on your substack, which we will plug. Without further ado, just dive into it. What's going on in Northern Ireland?
[00:02:20] Right. Northern Ireland seems some, by mainstream, mainland British standards, very serious rising. By Northern Ireland standards, pretty serious rising. This happens, there was an incident in a Catholic part of West Belfast, which is a very divided city, where an African, a Sudanese man, was filmed, and it went viral on social media immediately,
[00:02:49] gouging the eyes out of a man and trying to hack his head off. And the man survived, almost miraculously. The Sudanese was arrested. But at this stage, it happened quite late one evening, and it was immediately very, very clear that there was going to be trouble. So there was no trouble that night. It was very interesting. It happened on the edge of a Catholic area, and about 200 young loyalists, that's the Protestants,
[00:03:15] so they regard themselves as British, and the Irish regard them as interlopers, and they've been at each other's throats for generations. 200 of the Protestant loyalists came across into the Catholic area to stand in solidarity with their Catholic neighbours. So it's quite an astounding step forward against this, frankly, ridiculous brothers' war. And that was all that happened the first night, but it was very, very clear there was going to be a lot of trouble the second night. And indeed there was.
[00:03:44] In particular, in East Belfast, there was hours of very serious rioting, in which a mainly loyalist Protestant crowd was joined by 20 or 30 youths from a very small Catholic Irish nationalist enclave in East Belfast called Short Strand. These lads, very clearly up for a riot, they were all wearing double surgical gloves. Apparently, if you put one set of gloves on, you've still got your DNA then on the outside of those gloves.
[00:04:13] You put a second set on, and there's no DNA gets out. So if you know what you're doing, you don't want to get arrested, you want to be involved in a riot. That's what you do, apparently. And also wearing balaclavas. And they came and joined the loyalist mob. Now, any time ever since Belfast was built, if young men had come out from that Catholic side to the Protestant side, dressed like that, there would have been a riot and they would have tried to kill each other. In this case, they joined and went side by side, very happy, fighting the police,
[00:04:42] and going down the small streets on either side of the Lower Neuternard's Road, just with lists, putting out every single African and Roma gypsy that was there. Now, Britain's Muslims, Britain's radical Muslims are now trying to wind up their rather softer compatriots, saying that this was an anti-Muslim pogrom. It wasn't. They were going specifically for Africans and Roma, because the Africans and Roma,
[00:05:09] some of the Africans are working in Belfast hospitals, they're Christians, they're perfectly nice, decent people, actually. But some of the Africans have been very badly behaved. I guess as Americans, you know what they can do. And the Roma, of course, were invariably badly behaved, and they were the ones they were putting out. And this non-sectarian group went out and very violently put out probably 300 or 400 individual stroke families from houses in East Belfast.
[00:05:38] And if they wouldn't go, the houses were set on fire. So this is pretty serious ethnic cleansing. So, Nick, you are a lot closer to the scene and to the action than we are over here in the U.S. And so just to give everyone a recap, just so everybody is sure to understand what we're talking about here, there was this video of this Sudanese man straddling a deaf Irishman, I believe, attempting to behead him while stabbing out one of the man's eyes. It's beyond angering and sickening.
[00:06:08] And you're seeing Irish patriots, frankly, break into migrant houses. They're burning them out. I guess the question is because I know you are such a regular on this program. In the last two years, in summertime, things have been kicking off. This is the third year in a row, I believe, at least. And so I would ask you, is this going to be the typical 10-day wonder, or is it possible that these longtime violent enemies in their own right, the Catholics and the Protestants there in Northern Ireland, are actually uniting for the greater good?
[00:06:38] Indeed. Well, just one thing I must say, you said Irish patriots. These men would say, I'm not Irish. They'd burn you out if you tell them they're Irish. Okay, touche. These are Northern Irish Protestants who regard themselves, I regard them. They're a separate nation on the island of Ireland. They are, for the sake of American listeners, these are the Scotch-Irish. They're the people who came over. Without the Scotch-Irish, you wouldn't have had your revolution against the British, basically. So they're a very tough fighting people, and they definitely are not Irish.
[00:07:08] But this was the first time they have stood with their Irish neighbors together. Now, we have seen over the last couple of years also in Dublin, which is obviously definitely Irish, you've also had very large crowds of working-class Irish people also rebelling against mass immigration imposed on them, with some very serious rioting there as well. So, yep, it's not a one-off. In a way, there's a little bit of a one-off element in places like Belfast,
[00:07:36] because those crowds have only one aim, which is to put people that they don't like out of their area. And once they've done it, they'll go back to being peaceful. So, therefore, I've heard people say, oh, we'll start to send the army in. No, you won't, because the trouble's already over. There's a town called Ballymena to the north of Belfast, which last year had, two years ago now, had some 800 Roma gypsies imposed on it,
[00:08:05] a town of about 8,000 people, and they behaved badly for a couple of years. People put up with them, and then one weekend they simply arose up, and Ballymena now has none. They were all forced to flee. So, therefore, everything's gone back to normal there. So, there's no long-term trouble. The long-term trouble, on the other hand, which is coming, no doubt about it, is on the British mainland in England and to a lesser degree in Scotland than Wales, because the same tensions are there.
[00:08:32] The British people are absolutely sick of this whole monstrous agenda forced upon them, and if they react, or they've already reacted, there was, two weeks ago, there was some fairly serious rioting in the southern English city of Southampton over another appalling incident, which we can perhaps talk about in a minute. But if it kicks off in, or when it kicks off in England, that's not just a matter of forcing out some individuals from groups they don't like,
[00:09:00] because in England they've been here so much longer, and there's such big communities that if tensions kick off into violence, then it won't be a crowd against individuals. It'll be a crowd of one side against a crowd of another. And at that point, that can't be put to bed in a weekend. That's the thing that spirals into really serious trouble, and that's what we're on the verge of on the mainland, no doubt about it. All right.
[00:09:30] Well, Nick, and this seems to be, of course, coinciding with the case involving Henry Novak, which we talked to one of our mutual acquaintances, friends, Nick Scanlon, a couple of weeks ago he was on to break that situation down with the verdict coming out, and then now you have this just a few days later. And I think I would just dovetail into what you were saying, what you may be alluding to. Is it inevitable, in your opinion, that when the next atrocity occurs,
[00:09:58] or perhaps if not the next one, a future one down the line, that things will boil over nationwide? Because I was texting you the other day, and you said, you know, we just keep an eye on the mainland, as you just said here. That's where the real action is going to be. Do you think that there will come – one of these things will be the one. This is the age-old question. If not now, when? When? When? One of these things will actually turn public rage into something that cannot be pushed back until the point where so-called mainstream right of British politics
[00:10:28] is forced to consider mass deportations for the sake of national stability. Is that too much wishful thinking? I have no doubt that there will be an incident which will spark off really serious trouble, for several reasons. One, it's a natural thing. You've got now just several different groups of people who don't get on very well, and enclosed in a small, crowded island without the resources to go around,
[00:10:53] and the indigenous people realizing that they are becoming a minority in their own country. And that always kicks off trouble everywhere. That's natural. On top of that, we've got the fake Zionist-funded rights, people like Tommy Robinson, who are hell-bent on creating civil war, not because they want to save Britain, but because they want us so busy fighting Muslims that we absolutely are keen to back Israel in everything they do. And they're putting vast amounts.
[00:11:21] Nick, part of this interruption, but I didn't want to let the mentioning of Tommy Robinson, and I know Keith wants to get on in this conversation as well and needs to be involved, but Tommy Robinson, by the way, has been, if I'm not mistaken, making speeches defending the Sikhs in the UK. Has that hurt his popularity? It's damaged his popularity quite a lot. But, yes, the Sikhs are only two groups of immigrants, non-white immigrants, who people have really got any time for. There's the Gurkhas.
[00:11:49] We've got some Gurkhas there, Indian mercenaries who fought very bravely with the British army for centuries. People quite like the Gurkhas. And the Sikhs also have played quite a significant part on and off in British military operations, and they're the best of the bunch. But they are still not us. And the incident of Henry Novak when a whole Sikh family were involved in this appalling incident that Nick Scanlon was talking about the other week.
[00:12:16] So, yeah, people have also had it with them as well, basically. And so Tommy Robinson defending the Sikhs, because he always had, so at least he hasn't changed here. He's always said that it's not just Sikhs. He's always said Sikhs and Hindus and Africans, they are wonderful. Tommy says he's a multiracialist. He wants our kids to mix with their kids. He thinks that's absolutely tremendous. His problem is purely with the Muslims, because that's what he's paid to say. He is a paid Zionist agent. End of.
[00:12:46] So, yeah, but he's done himself a lot of damage by saying, oh, yeah, the Sikhs are absolutely wonderful, when an awful lot of his supporters have had it into the position now with Britain. They think, well, everyone's got to go, because otherwise we lose our country. We're going to become a minority. So, on that point, I agree with them. The point at which I have to say, no, now it's wishful thinking, is when people say, therefore, this is going to lead to mass deportations. Just someone's going to come to our own and wave a magic wand, they're all going to go home. No, they're not. Absolutely no possibility.
[00:13:16] It would cause economic and especially housing price catastrophe, which the English middle classes will not accept. The whole world would be against it, so Britain wouldn't do it, and it would involve a civil war before it could happen. So, you might, you could conceivably see all these people leaving Britain, but if they do, they will be leaving a Britain which is a smoking wilderness. The idea that there's a political, a parliamentary solution to this is childish nonsense.
[00:13:43] There's either going to be an agreement to basically divide up a country between different ethnic groups, so a semi-peaceful partition, or there's going to be a bloody civil war, at the end of which, the two sides, no one will win. We'll end up with a partition a bit like Northern Ireland is now. But the one thing that's not going to happen is someone's elected to power and pass a vote and everyone leaves. Simply not going to happen.
[00:14:09] Prepare, our people have to prepare either to protect their own areas and to exist as strong, vibrant communities with other communities of other people near them, but not mixing, or a civil war. That's the only choice. Let me make a modest proposal, Nick, okay? I think what's happening in Belfast is the light at the end of the tunnel.
[00:14:34] I think this is something that may be developing, at least in Belfast, and that is white racial solidarity. Indeed, yes. And see, that's what you need all over. For example, and I quite frankly don't understand why in Europe you have elected people to high government positions that hate the ethnic founding stock of their nations.
[00:15:01] The French government hates the French, the German government hates the Germans, and the English government hates the English. We do it here, too. Well, not quite to the extent that these people are doing it over there. That's right. But did we do it in South Carolina? You know, yeah. But anyway. You do it in America. Well, Nick, I mean, to your point, and I think to Keith's as well, is it possible that future micro-ethnostates in parts of the U.K. will unofficially be formed as a result of... I can't see that happening.
[00:15:30] I don't think the English are going to give up an acre of their land to foreigners. It's too small a place. No, on the contrary, Keith, I would say it's inevitable. It's already happened. Vast areas of our cities are not ours anymore, and none of our people live there. None of them would go there, and there's not the faintest possibility taking them by course. None at all. It took the whole of the British Army at the time, and it was four times bigger than it is today, to control 400 members of the IRA in Northern Ireland.
[00:16:00] That was the most people that they had. So they can't possibly control four or five million angry Muslims. It's going to have to be grassroots, Nick, if it happens. It's not going to be the army doing it. It's going to be the English people doing it. All right. What is going to happen is, just as in Northern Ireland, you have quite small enclaves where, because there's a tough community, the short strand where I was saying earlier that the Catholic lads came out and joined these rioting, that's an area of 10 or 12 little streets. It's a little triangle.
[00:16:28] And during the worst of the rioting in the 1970s, a huge loyalist mob wanted to burn it to the ground and kill everyone there. And a couple of old IRA men and a couple of kids with a few old guns and petrol bombs defended their area. And the community banded together. And it's still there as a Catholic enclave in a Protestant area. And in parts of West Belfast, you've got places where there's literally two or three streets where because of loyalists,
[00:16:56] the Protestants, where because every single young man in that street, if necessary, was prepared to fight to defend their street. And all my grandmothers were happy to make petrol bombs for them. They're still loyalist streets. So if you have strong communities, you survive. Now, Britain, we're not going to be taken over by brown people and all killed in our beds. That's, you know, with some of the dark people. What's the percentage right now? That's not going to happen. What's the percentage of brown people versus indigenous England for all of England?
[00:17:24] Well, it's a false question, actually, because they're not all on the same side. They don't like us, most of them, but they hate each other even more than they hate us. There's no prospect of Sikhs standing with Muslims. Is it 80-20? Is it 60-40? What is it? 70-30? What is it? We are going to be a minority in our own country by 2060 at the latest.
[00:17:50] And in terms of England, the actual English are just about 50% now. But on top of the English, we've got... I'm not talking about, you know, English. I'm talking about all the whites in England. Yeah, so we've got English, Scots, Irish, Poles, and so on and so forth. We're still probably 65%, something like that. But in some areas, we're far less than that. In some areas, we're far more than that.
[00:18:16] And what I'm saying is that you will end up in places where there's a strong community and our people have to start behaving as a community, looking after each other, looking out for themselves. It's not just about against them. It's also against neglect and exploitation by the elite. So our people have to start... The key to this, as I see it, Nick, the key is this, Nick. You've got to have the laws enforced strictly against everybody.
[00:18:43] You cannot have people that have a two-tiered legal system, one for the foreigners and one for the indigenous people. If you do that, that's what they're doing in the South now. They are beginning to enforce the laws against the blacks and not pulling their punches. And that's having a wonderful effect. Yeah. We're in the position at present in Britain where before one can do anything, we have to recognize for our people,
[00:19:11] I guess it's the same in many white countries as well. It's not a matter of we would like the government to stop favoring them. We have to operate a civil rights struggle to secure for our people the right to be identified and accepted as a significant minority, as a group which has rights. In Northern Ireland, they call it parity of esteem. You have to have the same rights as everybody else. Now, it's rather outrageous for a Brit to say that we just want equal treatment in our own country.
[00:19:41] Obviously, you should come first in your own country. But we're not even at that stage. We have to, first of all, turn our people, our organizations, instead of worrying about can we win an election, we have to worry about securing our rights simply to have recognition as an ethnic group which matters in our own country. And that can be secured, but it won't be secured through someone in Parliament giving it to us. All rights are taken. They're taken by force. It's just a matter of will.
[00:20:11] That's a great point. Nick, it's basically a matter of will. If you have the police force that says we're going to enforce the law equally against Sikhs, against Muslims that we do the same as we do the English or the Welsh or whatnot, you'll see that about one-fourth to one-half of the blacks or the non-whites are going to wind up in jail. That's what happens here. All right, Nick, let me ask you this.
[00:20:40] Go ahead and answer that, please. Go ahead. Yeah, well, I'd say, first of all, when I'm talking about force, what I'm saying is there's no parliamentary solution. No one is going to give you your rights. You have to take them. You have to secure them. You have to insist on them. You have to take them. I'm not saying here that you have to start shooting people and blowing things up. There's two forms of force. There's moral force, such as, for instance, Gandhi used to get the Brits out of India. And there's physical force.
[00:21:08] And as a matter of fact, you don't have the right to use physical force until you've exhausted the moral force efforts. But we haven't even tried that in Britain yet. We've had nothing. There's been no boycotts. There's been no tax strikes. There's been no organizing of our community. Gandhi wouldn't work, though. Only to deal with ourselves. Gandhi would not work against the Indians.
[00:21:31] It would only work against the British because the British have this moral code that is kind of imprinted in their DNA. These other people do not. Yeah, but who rules us? The British. It's British liberal traitors rule us. Our problem isn't the immigrants. It never has been. Our problem is our masters. Another good point. Who are mainly of us. That gets back to my original question. Why have you let people? What can you do to get rid of them? What's the we? I mean, what's the you and the we? I mean, it's all white nations.
[00:22:00] Well, it's even worse in Europe. Go ahead, Nick. We've got two minutes before break. You've elected Obama and Trump. For heaven's sake. A lot worse than that. Neither of them is on your side. There's been more progress made for white Gentiles under Trump than there has under anyone else during my lifetime that has been president. And I'm not a young man, okay?
[00:22:26] That, as far as white Gentiles are concerned, they're letting the whites in from South Africa. They have shot the border. They have done away with affirmative action. So, you know. That's probably to say how bad it's been as opposed to how good it might be now. But, Nick, let me ask you this. Because we've got a minute. We want to plug your sub stack. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about some recent elections you've had there. But to wrap things up on the current unrest there, is there any chance? Is this wishful thinking?
[00:22:52] Have any of the migrants, so-called migrants, living in Northern Ireland self-deported as a result of any of this unrest? Or are they just going to ride it out? A lot have left those streets. Now, where they've gone to at present, we don't know. When there was the last rioting in Ballymena a couple of years ago, they all moved to another loyalist town. And they were put initially in a sports center. And the locals were very proud of their sports center. But they burnt it to the ground rather than have those people living there.
[00:23:22] So they're not likely to stay very long in Northern Ireland. The odds are that there are already quite a few of them coming to England. Because it's a softer place and they can just disappear. So it doesn't help the English. Likewise, when the Irish finally kick out their huge numbers of non-white migrants who have arrived there recently, they're not going to go back to Africa or Asia. They're going to come to London. So it's not good to the neighborhoods where the elites live. Well, that would be grand, wouldn't it?
[00:23:49] But the elites, of course, would put them in white working class areas. And those councils will accept them because they get bribes to do so. But that in turn will kick off more trouble. It's all coming to a head. That's what I can tell you for sure. Nick, before we take this first break, and we are skipping the floater breaks to maximize our time with you tonight, there's just too much to talk about, too many developments. Plug your substack. Plug your contact. Be sure to get that on the record. We do have it linked on our website today and on our Twitter account.
[00:24:19] Like Nick, we've had to redo and start from scratch. But give us a quick plug of where they can find you on Substack. I'm there every day reading your stuff. On Substack is Nick Griffin, Beyond the Pale. It's a great app. It's free to download. Do come and join me. All right. And he's not going anywhere yet. He's with us for the remainder of the hour. We're going to shift gears and talk about the recent electoral results there in the U.K. Just this week, they had some elections.
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[00:30:21] the former government contractor, our resident expert on all things to do with Iran and the Middle East. Headline in the forthcoming issue of the American Free Press, the newspaper for which I and Nick Griffin are both contributors to, on the front page above the fold, peace with Iran is within reach, and Israeli leaders are furious. We're going to get Patrick to break that situation down for us.
[00:30:51] Of course, as you know, he holds two master's degrees, including one in Islamic studies. As a former government contractor, he's worked in 78 different countries, spending the majority of his time in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and, you guessed it, the Middle East. That's coming up in the second hour. And then, Keith and I in the third hour are going to be talking about this bizarre sex scandal involving a former SPLC leader that the New York Post has alleged this week.
[00:31:20] I mean, that is really something. I mean, we'll get into it in the third hour. I promise you. We are reconnecting with Nick right now. We had to switch lines. Our producer will let me know when he's there. We're going to call him back on that same number, that cell phone number, as soon as you can get him, Liz. But, all right.
[00:31:47] So, in the first half of this hour, we were talking with Nick about, of course, the unrest, especially in Northern Ireland and Belfast. And for the remainder of this hour, we're going to shift gears and talk about things there, primarily on the mainland, with some recent elections that have given some interesting results, put forth some interesting results. We'll have him break them down.
[00:32:14] And he was in the news, by the way, with an interesting headline involving Nick Griffin. We'll get into that in just a second. But, Keith, if you want to say a quick word while we're waiting to reconnect with Nick, take it away. Yeah, I think that it's wrong. It's mistaken to equate what we have in America with what you have in Western Europe, in France, Germany, and England.
[00:32:38] But, you have there governments that are actively against the white indigenous population. And what I was trying to say is that you don't have to favor any group. You basically just need to apply the laws that are on the books now equally. If it is against the law for a Welshman to carry a knife, it needs to be against the law for a Sikh to carry a knife.
[00:33:04] If it's wrong for a white person to engage in white slavery, it's also against the law and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law if a non-white commits or practices white slavery. This is what's going on over there. You've got a two-tiered justice system. And all you have to do, you don't have to get in control of the parliament or anything else to do this.
[00:33:32] You just need to basically have a leader that says, I'm now decreeing that the police force is not going to treat people differentially based on their skin. Well, if it was just so easy to do that, I wonder why none of these white nations have figured it out yet. Well, they haven't figured it out because they don't want to figure it out. They basically despise the native stock of their own people. And the people that are the native stock need to say, we're not going to put up with this.
[00:33:58] And, you know, whatever it takes, you know, this is what you've got to do. It's, you know, you need to, if it takes physical fear against the people that are, you know, in government doing that, then, you know, so be it. On the other hand, all we're asking for is equal treatment under the law, what white people. And white people, as long as they do that, then English norms, traditional English norms will prevail.
[00:34:27] And these people can either adapt or get out or go to jail. All right, keep going because I'm texting our producer. Well, I think that's what it is. You got to either, you know, basically you can't have a two-tiered justice system that disfavors the native stock of your nation. And a government that does that is despicable and they need to be thrown out.
[00:34:51] If you have to vote for Rupert Lowe or for Nigel Farage or for Nick Griffin or whoever, you know, the English people need to develop what is developing in Belfast, which is a sense of white racial solidarity, not subdivided according to religion like Catholic versus Protestant or Welshman versus Britain versus Scotsman and whatnot.
[00:35:18] See, the problem in England when I was over there in the 70s is they still had the vestiges of this class system. And like I said before, it's so incredible that in England they've now had a black soft porn actress who has become a princess or did for a while, but they've never had a cottony princess.
[00:35:38] They basically treat their own lower classes worse than they treat, you know, morally reprehensible people from other nations. And that is, you know, that's an outrage. And not only is it happening in England, it's happening in Germany, it's happening in France, it's happening in a lot of European nations. And it's time for the people to rise up and say enough is enough. We're not going to put up with this.
[00:36:07] And if you do this, we're going to run you out of town on the rail. All right. Still waiting to get Nick back. I'm not sure exactly what's going on. We're going to call that cell phone number again. I know we had to switch, but yeah. Can you take us to an early break, Liz? We'll troubleshoot this. We'll try to get him back. Is that possible?
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[00:38:46] It's live radio. It's live radio. It's a war out here, folks. It's a war out here every Saturday night. It's a war out here for 22 years, staying on the air. It's a war to get the job done, and you roll with the punches. So we are still troubleshooting this thing.
[00:39:12] I just called Nick during the break, and he's going to try to call. There he is. Okay, Nick, we have to make haste. No plan survives the battle. Am I right, my friend? So let's just go. We've got 15 minutes left. We've got an hour's worth of content left. We've got 15 minutes left. So we're going to go fast, and we're going to leave a lot on the table. But that's fine. We talked with you in March about Rupert Lowe and Restore when you were on with us most recently. His rhetoric continues to be impressive.
[00:39:42] You just had some elections in the U.K., and you shared with us your concerns a couple of months ago. Elections in the U.K. Restore, four-month-old party, finished third out of the field of 14, defeated the Tories, Liberal Democrats, and the Greens, though it fell far short of the top two finishers, which were Labor and Reform. That being referred to as the new BNP, do you think that there is any path where they can play a role in the same way that you did 15, 20 years ago,
[00:40:09] if not threatening the establishment, at least shifting the Overton window in some way? We lost him. Well, that's the question, Keith. I think it's real easy. You just need to hire to elect somebody like Rupert Lowe or somebody that's on the right with a commitment, a firm commitment that we are going to make these people follow our laws.
[00:40:39] The brown people that come to England are going to have to follow traditional English law. We're not going to modify our law for you. We're not going to have Sharia law. And if you don't like the strictures that are placed upon you by English common law, don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave, okay? That's the way to do it if you've got a choice. You can either follow the law that we have, and it's going to be strictly enforced,
[00:41:07] or you can leave, or you can go to jail when you break it, okay? And we're not going to hear any complaints about this. And if you don't like it, like I said, your option is to either go to jail or leave. But we're not going to allow you to do things like gouge the eyes out of somebody and walk away. We're not going to allow you to stab somebody like this Anthony Novak or Novak guy had happened to him.
[00:41:37] This is intolerable. And then to let these people walk where basically you've got 25,000, I think, or 15,000 Englishmen in jail now because they made statements on the Internet that the ruling cabal doesn't like. Well, the ruling cabal, if there are people that will not follow the instructions of the leader of the English government,
[00:42:05] then those people need to be sacked, as they say in England, okay? Get rid of them. All right. We are going to try Nick one more time. And if it doesn't work, we're going to reschedule him. Nick is out of his normal setup tonight, as you may have picked up on. He is traveling, and that certainly has played a role in this. What we're going to do, Keith, is move up something I wanted to close the show with tonight, and then everything else will proceed as scheduled.
[00:42:34] Let's close this hour then by working this in. A little bit of local news, total departure from everything we've been talking about. And if we do get Nick back, we'll put him back on for the last 10 minutes. And if not, we'll go ahead and work this in and alleviate the glut of content we've got to get to for the remainder of the program. Local news here in Memphis that may be of interest to people who are aficionados of Confederate monuments and Confederate parks. Okay.
[00:43:02] There's a woman, and I am intentionally not calling her a lady, named Tammy Sawyer. Overweight and aggressive and ill-mannered. Okay. She was the head of a movement called Take Them Down to remove all of the Confederate statues and Confederate-named parks and whatnot in Memphis. And, of course, that played great with the peanut gallery in Memphis.
[00:43:32] So she launched her political career. She's run for mayor before. That didn't work. She has been elected to be the General Sessions Court Clerk, which is, in her eyes, merely a sinecure to make money. The fact that she is actually supposed to go in there, work 9 to 5 every day, and make things, you know, run the actual office is an imposition. She thinks it's not a job but a sinecure.
[00:44:00] Well, she has now gotten herself into hot water by misusing basically her charge account for things that have nothing to do with the operation of her office or her duties in that office. She's being prosecuted in federal court, and that's good because federal court has a jury pool from the entire western district of Tennessee, not just from Memphis.
[00:44:27] She probably thought she was bulletproof because she thought it would be just Memphis and the majority black population will, you know, bail her out or, at the very least, hang a jury up so that she doesn't get convicted. But this is what's happening, and this is the same thing that we were talking to Nick Griffin about. We don't want special laws for the benefit of white people.
[00:44:53] We just want all people of all different shades and hues to be subject to these same laws, okay? And if that happens, people that are bad actors, regardless of their race, color, or creed, will be punished. We're not asking people to do more than what white people are. They need white, black people. Forget about it.
[00:45:22] We'll be colorblind, okay? But we want everybody to be subject to the same laws applied in the same way. All right. I am going to try something very interesting here. Nick has said let's try to call him on WhatsApp and put him on the speakerphone to the studio mic. Now, Nick, I have no idea if this is going to work, but let me just say this. I am going to put my cell phone speaker to the studio mic and see if it works.
[00:45:52] But, Nick, instead of trying to break down what could have been easily an hour's worth of content on the local elections, let's save that for when we can reschedule you. I would like to ask you this, though, that has come to light. And I'm reading now from an article that was recently published. And we'll just close with this, and we'll get you rescheduled, and we'll do it the right way.
[00:46:14] British mainstream politics and media are now as far and extreme right as France and other European countries and the U.S. So who is the most influential political leader of the last three decades in the U.K.? According to this article, the answer is Nick Griffin, the former leader of the British National Party. The reason is that today, across the political and media spectrum, it is his narrative that is echoed in his policies that are being proposed.
[00:46:41] And he did not achieve personal political power. He lost the battle but won the war. Well, I would argue with the first part of that. But nevertheless, reform is the contemporary version of the BNP, but nearly all political parties are singing its tune. The language may be different, but the ideas and narratives on race, identity, Islam, and Muslims are the same. The difference among political parties is a matter of degree. So, Nick, tell us who wrote that. And we'll close out with that, and we'll get you rescheduled. And apologies for all the issues tonight.
[00:47:11] Go ahead, my friend. And the Aiyan Institute. Now, obviously, they've got a bit of an axe to grind by saying that to Muslims, look, basically, the BNP are back and everyone's out to get you. You know, you've got to cozy up with us. So they've got a bit of an axe to grind, but their analysis is pretty blunt and it's supported.
[00:47:36] It's pretty factual, really, that everything that I and the BNP were saying nearly 20 years ago, the other parties are now saying the same thing. Even the Labour Party is saying, look, we're getting tough on immigration. You know, a lot of it's verbiage, a lot of it's pure rhetoric. They're just catching votes. But to do so, they are having to repeat the soundbites and the policies that we put across back then. So, as the Aiyan Institute says, we might have lost the battle, but in ideas terms, we won the war.
[00:48:07] I am actually shocked. I am shocked, ladies and gentlemen, at how well Nick sounded with this rudimentary setup we've got here. Well, I will then, Nick, try to work in this question I had for you before we lost you for the third – I don't know if it was the third or fourth time this hour. But nevertheless, the recent elections. Just go ahead and take the recent elections in any direction you want. Well, the recent election was a parliamentary by-election for one parliamentary constituency to the Westminster Parliament. It's quite important.
[00:48:37] It's hugely important because the Labour candidate who's standing, if he was elected, would become the man who can oust Keir Starmer, the hugely unpopular leader of the Labour Party. So, in fact, it's a very strange election. It's purely about what's the best way to get rid of Keir Starmer.
[00:48:53] And the majority of people there who just a few months ago in that constituency voted Reform Farage's party on a huge scale, they decided the best way to get rid of Farage is to elect the Labour man who can do it. So they voted for him rather than Reform. It was a two-horse race. Reform got, was it, 35%, 36% of the vote. But the Labour Party won. Andy Burnham, you'll hear a lot more of him, won very easily.
[00:49:23] But, and as you said in your intro I heard before, Restore Rupert Lowe's party came third. But don't get carried away with that. It means very little. Restore got a lower vote in that constituency last Thursday than the British National Party got in 2010. We beat them in percentage terms and we beat them in numbers with a campaign which was about no more than a twentieth of the expenditure and a far lower profile.
[00:49:51] So Rupert Lowe was telling people, we're going to win this seat, we're going to win this seat. He didn't. They got a vote which is very average by the standards of nationalist insurgent parties in Britain. have got far higher votes than that since the 1960s and in the 70s and in the 90s and in the 2000s and in the 2010s. Rupert Lowe is not going to be the next Prime Minister of Britain. He's saying all the right things. He's wasting people's time with the idea there's a political solution.
[00:50:20] I keep on saying the solution is community organisation. And anyone who's saying we're going to be saved by politicians is either a containment agent or a fool. I'm afraid it's a rather blunt answer but that's the truth. The one good thing about Restore is that Lowe has mobilised for now about 130,000 people who have joined it. Out of a British population of 50 million at the most, it's an awful lot. So I'm telling nationalists join Restore but not because it's going to win the next election
[00:50:47] because it's a huge pool of potential recruits to get involved in your local community action teams to defend your areas in all sorts of ways. So it's a good thing that they're growing but they're not going to save the country in an election. I'll tell you, you've got to listen to Nick Griffin because his tape and putty system here has kept us on the air for these last few minutes to get these questions. And I still have to say again how surprisingly good this sounds in my headset. But thank you for your answer on that, Nick.
[00:51:17] And with only two minutes remaining, I'll ask just one follow-up question. We had about 20 more I wanted to get to. But you mentioned the name Andy Burnham, the prominent Labour politician who just won that election you were referring to. That positions him to challenge Keir Stormer for the position of party leader and prime minister. Do you think he will run and win? And would he be any better than Stormer? I'm certain he will run. I'm certain he will win. And he will be even worse. He's well for the left of Stormer.
[00:51:46] And he'll be surrounded by people who are on the left of the Labour Party. He will either go for an election very quickly and win it. The Labour Party will take a bit of a beating, but he will still win it. Or he'll wait for two years when the time's up and have an election to end. By that stage, he will have changed the electoral system to proportional representation. His victory the other day means that we will now have a far-left Labour government for about the next seven years, I'm afraid.
[00:52:13] Again, there ain't no political, no party political solution, but the British are not finished. We've hardly started yet. All right. Well, then, final word to you, Nick, before the music begins to play. Thanks again for your time under less than ideal circumstances tonight. We will catch up with you again very soon. But the final word this hour is yours. Okay. Well, the only thing I can say, actually, is that Donald Trump has massively gone up, in my estimation, the last week or so,
[00:52:41] by finally the first American president since JFK who's made something of a point of standing up to Israel. And what an amazing thing. I don't know what's going to happen. I should think he wants to watch even more carefully for those bullets, because it's quite remarkable that finally he's acted a little bit in the interests of the world and Americans instead of the interests of Benjamin Netanyahu. It's a good thing. That is a... That'll get you assassinated every time. That is a fantastic setup, Nick, for our next hour.
[00:53:10] We're going to have a former U.S. government contractor on who spent a lot of time in Iran, and he will be talking... We're going to be talking in depth about Iran and Trump and Israel and all of that that you mentioned here in the hour coming up next. But before we get there, I just want to thank you again for coming on with us tonight. Happy Father's Day to you. Are you out there working on that wall anymore lately? If you don't know... That wall was... That wall was finished. I've been out working this weekend on a boat. Well, Nick...
[00:53:39] There's always something. I do think Father's Day is a little bit of a commercial nonsense, but as you know, I'm a father of four. One of my daughters had our third granddaughter. That's our 12th grandchild just the other day. So we're working to repopulate Britain by ourselves. Well, Godspeed to you on that, Kevin. Hang in like Gunga Den, as they used to say. One if by land and two if by sea.
[00:54:05] Nick, if he's not building his version of Hadrian's Wall, he's out on a boat and sailing. And just a fascinating man in so many ways. You can follow what he's doing on Substack and in the pages of American Free Press. You know, Nick, you and I are in every issue. Every issue that comes out, I do that Control-F search for you and always important stuff. Thank you, Nick Griffin. God bless you. Godspeed. Talk to you again very soon. God bless you. Speak to you soon. Good night. Everybody else, stay tuned for Patrick Martin.