British activist Nick Scanlon joins us as a special correspondent to report live from the Remigration Summit in Porto, Portugal.
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[00:00:30] As we continue to head into summer, things are heating up already. Already outside here in Memphis, Tennessee and around the world, and it is there we go right now, this last weekend of May. Thanks for being here with us live tonight, James Edwards along with Keith Alexander. Saturday evening, May the 30th, let's go direct now to Porto, Portugal.
[00:00:52] That is where the action is if you are in Europe this weekend, the second annual Remigration Summit. A veteran British activist, Nick Scanlon, is there with us live as our correspondent to report on what was going on there today in Portugal. We'll give Nick a more fit and proper introduction in just a moment, but first let's take you to Portugal and hear his opening remarks.
[00:01:21] Nick, great to have you back, my friend. What did you see today? Where are you? Good evening, James. I'm in Porto now, but interestingly, the venue itself wasn't in Porto. It was about an hour and a half's coach journey south of Porto, which took us by a surprise. It did a little bit, but the organisers like to keep things very secure and safe and private.
[00:01:50] So, you know, it was a little bit of a drive, but, you know, it made no difference once we were there. The venue was absolutely perfect and we had no trouble whatsoever. Usually when you hold these sort of events, especially on the scale of today's event, you're met with, you know, opposition and heavy police presence. And I have to say I've been here since, when did I come here? Even on Thursday, Thursday morning, we've absolutely had no trouble whatsoever.
[00:02:18] So, yes, so far it's been easy sailing. We've had a fantastic day, a very long day. I must remind you, just to remind you this, I've been up for about 17 hours, I think. So if I come across a little bit lethargic every now and again, I do apologize. No, no, no. I appreciate you being there. It is just past midnight. You have had these conferences are invigorating but also exhausting.
[00:02:48] You are engaged in constant conversation. They are emotional in a certain way. And certainly when they end and that energy begins to lapse, the crash can happen. So you are joining us live a little bit after midnight in Portugal. Yeah, just don't fall asleep on us. No, he's not going to. So 17 hours, you've been going strong. So let's talk about this, the Remigration Summit. Now, last year we had on, I believe, both Roger Devlin.
[00:03:17] I think he commented on it. And he was there today again, by the way. He was one of the faces in the crowd today. And Sian Quinn, who was a presenter last year, I think she spoke again today as well. And she came on and talked to us about it. She came on and talked to us about it. And we know her well. She died of fantastic speech. For the White Papers Policy Institute. But anyway, so this is the second one. Last year was the inaugural Remigration Summit.
[00:03:43] It is becoming, or I believe the event planners and organizers intend for this to be an annual event. And from year one to now year two this weekend, what would you say about how it's tracking? Well, I mean, I wasn't at last year's event in Milan. But it was, I'm told last year's attendance was roughly about 300. Today was double that. It was over 600. It sold out.
[00:04:11] Tickets were still on sale until about, I think, about Tuesday. And then on Tuesday, they went off the market. And then the only tickets remaining were those for those that could tune in online. So, yeah, I mean, the numbers was doubling size. I think it was Martin Selner. He asked, it might not have been him. There's so many names to try and remember. But he asked everyone to raise their hands if it was their first ever political event.
[00:04:41] And I would say those in the room, I would say roughly 50% rose their hands. It was their first ever political event, which is extremely encouraging how many people are engaging in our sort of politics and mindset. So it was definitely a lot more well attended than last year. We had some huge names there today.
[00:05:05] Gregory Bovino, if I'm pronouncing that correct, he was the head of Border Patrol under the Trump administration. Recently, he's retired because of the IS incidents, which you'll probably know more about than I will. But he was in attendance. And there was several elected officials from all across Europe in attendance.
[00:05:33] And, yeah, I would say the organizers, all credit to the organizers. They really, really did put on a great show tonight. And it's a shame I couldn't stay until the end. But in fact, there's actually people still there now. It was running behind. And there was people there who stayed behind for a dinner. And I think Gerard Taylor still might be there now, to my understanding. And, yeah, it was a fantastic day. It was a fantastic day.
[00:06:02] And, yeah, an exhausting day. I'll sleep well tonight, that's for sure. Well, you mentioned Gerard, who was also there. And I was texting with Gerard two days ago. He was already in Portugal. And you spent some time with him this afternoon. But you mentioned Gregory Bovino. Of course, that name will be familiar to our listeners stateside. He was the American Border Patrol commander, the border czar, I guess.
[00:06:25] He became a household name, I guess, in our circles during the Minneapolis riots earlier this year, only to be sacked by the Trump administration for doing too good of a job. But he was there. And it's always – That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. He seemed to get attacked by being too good at his job. Yeah. Yeah. Very convenient. And so he was – Well, to have him there, though, and I know Lauren Witzke has interviewed him.
[00:06:54] And he has certainly, since being relieved of his duties, embraced our movement very openly. I mean, he's there with you in Portugal tonight. He's been talking with other people we know. So that's always encouraging to see. And you mentioned Martin Selner. I'm sure that this is a collaborative effort, but he is, I guess, the name that you would most readily identify as being the one responsible for this. And, again, what this is – I see Dries van Langenhove there.
[00:07:23] He was a former member of the Belgian parliament. Of course, our friends Philip De Winter and Anka Van de Mersch over there. Dries and I both spoke at AMREN a couple of years ago, so we know him. He's been on the program. A lot of other people there. You mentioned Jared. But this is the Remigration Summit. Now, again, this is year two, second year. It's almost doubled in size. It describes itself.
[00:07:44] If you really want to know, go to their Twitter handle, at Resum26, R-E-S-U-M, R-E-S-U-M26. It describes itself as being an identitarian NGO, nongovernmental organization, and remigration lobby connecting young European leaders. And it is very well funded. You see very great packaging. It is very important to have both substance and sizzle.
[00:08:11] And they present the message in a way that is hugely attractive, very slick. And that is important. You can't just be all presentation and no substance. But they seem to be threading that needle very well. And they do mention connecting young European leaders and just sort of doing some show prep this week and today. You saw a crowd that looked overwhelmingly youthful.
[00:08:36] It definitely seemed to be a younger demographic there today than what you encounter in a lot of places. 100%. I'd probably say 85% of the attendees were definitely under the age of 30. So, yes, 100%. But, you know, you mentioned Martin Selner. I first became involved in the identitarian movement, say, maybe around 10 years ago.
[00:09:03] And the idea that we'd be sharing a room, a conference with elected officials, very respected elected officials, was just, you know, non-comprehensible. You know, you just would never, ever afford it in a million years back then. And that was only a decade ago. So we've achieved this much in such a short period of time. Can you imagine where we're going to be in another 10 years' time? Well, not 10 years' time. In a year's time. Two years' time.
[00:09:34] Possibly in jail. Well, some of these guys are facing custodial sentences. And, you know, for really petty, petty things. I mean, obviously in the States you have. And talking to the States, there was a lot of Americans there today. I would say between 20 and 30 Americans. Probably near on 30 Americans there today. Which was really impressive. But we had people from South Africa, from Australia.
[00:10:04] You know, it wasn't just a European conference. It was people from all over the Western world. Which last year, I don't think that was the case. Nick, this is Keith Alexander. Let me ask you this. What is the official response of the, you know, establishment politically in Western Europe? Are they ignoring you? Are they engaging you? Are they attacking you? Tell us.
[00:10:31] They, Keith, good evening, Keith. They can't, they definitely can't ignore us anymore. You know, they were ignoring us until about a year or two ago. And now, you know, the time for ignoring us has far passed. Eva, you'll be well and truly familiar with Eva. I don't want to butcher her surname. It's a very tricky surname. Val Dingerbrook.
[00:11:00] She, she, she, she, she, she. So basically, her and Martin Selner have got together. So this, this is a, this is the biggest take I want, you know, to, to, to give to your audience tonight and yourselves. Is that her and Martin Selner have created a website. It's called, it's called, for everyone listening, it's called save-europe-act.com.
[00:11:27] Now, if you go onto her X, you'll see it's probably, it's a pin tweet. So you'll see it straight away. Now, we, for us British guys, there's about, say, about 20 of us over from, from the UK. Because we left the European Parliament, European Union, a few, obviously, a few years ago. We thought we couldn't sign it. We thought we had to be a member of the, you know, a European nation, a European Union nation. And apparently you have not got to be a member of the EU.
[00:11:56] So I'd say to all of your American listeners, which would be obviously the bulk of your listeners, go onto the website I've just mentioned, or go onto Eva's Twitter handle, probably Martin Selner's as well, and sign this petition. This petition requires 100,000, 100,000 signatures. And the 100,000 signatures will be presented to the President of the European Union Parliament.
[00:12:24] So they can't ignore us anymore. And we're already, the last time I looked at that an hour ago, and it was on, it was just under 13,000. And that is in the space of it being launched about four or five hours ago. So that's... Give us that contact information again, if you would. So it's save and then hyphen Europe hyphen act dot com. And I would urge everybody to go on there.
[00:12:54] It doesn't matter if you live in Europe or you don't. I thought you did, but it doesn't, which I literally just learned now, thankfully, before I come on the radio. But you can go on there and you can sign up. And basically, we require 100,000 signatures. And then 100,000 signatures will be presented to the President of the European Union. And they will have to discuss it. They'll be forced to discuss the replacement of native European people.
[00:13:22] And now, in the UK, we often... I mean, I've done it myself when I was with Britain First. We would get... I think it required something like... I think it might have also been 100,000 signatures. But we'd get 100,000 signatures for, you know, stopping the boats or whatever it may have been at the time. And we would physically go to 10 Downing Street. We'd obviously have our passes. And we would hand in the petition in the boxes. And it was great. It was great optics.
[00:13:52] But, you know, in the UK Parliament, there's so many petitions going now, especially now where everything's online. There's so many petitions. Basically, Parliament addresses it for about five or 10 seconds. And it's forgotten about. But the thing is, with the European Parliament, is there are so many identitarians now in positions of office that it isn't going to be a five or 10 second conversation.
[00:14:19] There are going to be, you know, 100-plus politicians in the EU Parliament that are going to say, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to speak about this in five or 10 seconds. We're going to speak about this properly, thoroughly, and basically address that this is a general concern for the majority of Europeans, of European mankind. Let me say this, if I could, Nick.
[00:14:48] I have an English background. My mother was a war bride from Watford, and I've been over there. I've visited when I was a little boy. I went over there. I went over there in college and spent, you know, summer school at Oxford.
[00:15:01] But I have always been kind of stupefied by the dislike and the disdain and the total, you know, effort to just not like the native stock of England, for example, by the English government. It seems like, you know, you've had now a black American soft porn actress as a princess. I don't think you've ever had a Cockney princess. What? All right.
[00:15:31] I mean, we're getting a little bit off of the topic this hour. But anyway, it just – well, that's why – You're not wrong, Pete. You're not wrong. You're not – It just seemed like they despised the native stock of England. We can remigrate the princess. What's her name? Megan. Megan. Well, she thankfully abandoned her title. So let's pretend she's irrelevant. Yes, she did. She did. She did. All right. Now, let's get back on track here and refocus.
[00:16:01] But first, let's give you a little more information about our guest correspondent tonight, a man well known to me and has been on the program before, of course. Well, Nick, I would just ask you very quickly because I think we talked about this before and I got a kick out of it. How long have you known about this radio program? I have not – I'm sure it was when Nick Griffin first got elected to the European Parliament or just – about 2009, say.
[00:16:30] So that would make it 17 years or 16 years. Been a few minutes anyway. Nick Scanlon, our guest. And we actually had the opportunity to meet in South Carolina at a remote broadcast a few years ago and after all these years. And it's great to have you back on tonight, Nick. So a little bit more information about our friend.
[00:16:50] Nick Scanlon is a well-established and long-term British and pan-European activist and a former mayoral candidate for the City of London. He is now – and always has been, frankly, very much focused on electoral strategy. Nick is a guy – and one of the reasons I really wanted Nick to come on tonight and talk about this event, even I think more so than some of the event organizers is because Nick has that skin in the game for all these years,
[00:17:21] just being – and he mentioned the petitions that he has delivered in the past and just all of this stuff. I like the perspective on this particular event, this Remigration Summit from a grassroots activist and candidate. I relate to that. And so, Nick, let's just – again, coming back in a sharp focus now, what was the purpose of this event?
[00:17:45] What was the purpose of this event and how do its organizers and its attendees and its speakers intend to transition everything from theory to practice with regards to the question of remigration, which we used to call deportation. Now it's called remigration. Yeah, so we've had several terms for it, mass deportations, remigrations. You know, back in the day in the UK, it was repatriation under Enoch Powell. So, yeah, it seems to get rebranded every now and again.
[00:18:15] But remigration is something that has seemed to stick. You know, it's – I think you described it the last time we spoke as a sellable term. And it very much is so. You know, it's not really – it's not a threatening term. It's a complete opposite. It's essential. You know, it's not personal. It's necessary. So, yeah, but obviously in today's day and age, we live on an online world.
[00:18:43] So, we can – we all live in our little echo chambers on X or Facebook or Instagram or TikTok. But to bring people together and to meet these people, we was with the Austrian guys the other night. And, you know, the second you meet them, your friends straight away, your comrades straight away. You don't know their names and you introduce yourselves and then you'll have a little conversation with each other.
[00:19:11] And, yeah, so basically it takes things – you know, the real world isn't online. And it takes things offline for, you know, it's been a long day, but we spend far more hours scrolling through our phones, don't we? We're all guilty of that, especially my generation and the younger generations especially. So, it really gets to bring us all together.
[00:19:36] But the idea, as I'm going to repeat myself now, but the idea that if you suggested 10, 15 years ago that Martin Selner would be able to draw elected members of the European Parliament and the German Parliament and the Dutch Parliament all under one roof, you just wouldn't have believed it. We were too radical. Don't go near those guys.
[00:20:06] But, you know, our guys got elected. You know, we're the ones getting them elected because of how sharp our people have been online. And they've been very sharp online. They've sold our message online. So, for all of social media's ills, it has a lot of pros as well, especially now Elon Musk has took over X. He's given us a lot more freedom of speech. And, yeah.
[00:20:34] You know, Elon Musk has been actively, well, at least advocating for Dries van Langenhove. I mean, he's brought a lot of attention to the injustices visited upon him. And I will say this very quickly, I want Keith to get the last question in before the break. And we're going to skip the floater breaks. I want to just – we're in Portugal right now with Nick Scanlon. And this event is too big, too important to waste any time. So we want to maximize this hour.
[00:21:02] I will just say very quickly, coming up later tonight, Kevin McDonald back with us, our mainstay guest, the incomparable Dr. Kevin McDonald coming up in the next hour. A few more surprises before the end of the program tonight. But, Nick, I would say, yes, these conferences are so important. I'll just give you one little anecdote going way back before the time of social media. And this was during the Buchanan campaign. So there was this group of delegates that were called the Reformers for Life.
[00:21:30] But their whole issue was just the pro-life issue. They didn't care about anything else. They didn't want to work with anybody on anything else. It was all about that. That was a single-issue focus. And they kind of graded on me. I mean, all of the delegates would talk. And we were planning the things you needed to do at this conference. And we were getting ready for a big final push. And these people graded on me. But then when we met out there in California in the late summer of 2000, as soon as I met the guy that was the head of all this,
[00:21:57] that I'd always been annoyed with online or at least through email because he didn't have social media then, one beer, instant brothers. He actually worked for me on my campaign for the Statehouse two years later. He made my signs, helped me put them out in Memphis, drove down to Memphis from Missouri. There is something about these conferences. The point of me telling that story is these conferences are so important because people do come together. There's this exchange of ideas. There's this renewed enthusiasm that you cannot get anywhere else.
[00:22:24] And people, you know, any sort of disagreements really start to fade away when you have that sense of camaraderie begin to take hold. So did you feel that there? What was the atmosphere? What was the vibe? Yeah, absolutely. Because, yeah, the vibe is brilliant. I mean, you do get some, you know, young influencers, quote, unquote, and they had their little, you know, bickerings online.
[00:22:49] But once everyone's under the same conference at the same venue and all of them, all of that bickering just gets, you know, pushed to one side. And everyone realizes that we're all in this together. And, yeah, there was no, I mean, the thing is, I'm not complaining the day was so long. As I say, it's actually, believe it or not, it's still going on now.
[00:23:16] They're actually, the VIP attendees, they're actually still there now having dinner. So it's still going on now. But there's still not enough hours in a day because there were several people that I tried to approach to speak to personally. And you just could not hear them, you know, because they had been. Nick, this was a one-day event. This wasn't a weekend conference. This was a single-day, one-day event.
[00:23:46] It was a one-shot. It was everything in one day, today. The event, the conference itself was one day. But, I mean, we've been, we was with the Austrian guys on Thursday. And then we was with some French guys yesterday. We was with some Dutch guys yesterday. So it's the whole, I mean, I'm going to be saying I've arrived on Thursday and I'll be departing on Monday.
[00:24:12] So, I mean, we've managed to meet a lot of people within that timescale. So it wasn't, it wasn't like the be-all and end-all if you never got to speak to anyone in particular at the conference. But the organizers, et cetera, you know, it was hard to approach them because they was literally just mobbed with, you know, cameras and social media. Keith Alexander has some questions.
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[00:30:51] Here is this. For 22 years we've been taking you there, folks. We'll take you wherever. Fruit is coming to bear for our side and for our issues and for our people. And in the last two weeks, I think we have demonstrated that. Last week, we took you to Alberta, Canada, where there was a big forum on the topic of Alberta nationhood. And we didn't just take you there.
[00:31:20] We took you there with the organizer of that and the moderator of that summit, Fergus Hodgson, last week at Alberta. And in real time, we had Scoop Stanton on the scene outside the White House reporting on what he was seeing in the scene there tonight. The big place to be in Europe is Portugal. And that is where Nick Scanlon is as our correspondent. Nick, we thank you for that.
[00:31:48] Still a lot more to get into this hour on this event before we go to Kevin MacDonald. But first to Keith. Nick, it seems like this is a new wind in the sails, I guess. Is this basically driven by the Internet? And how are we going to transmit or transfer this energy that is developing in like this remigration conference into real political power and change? Well, yes.
[00:32:17] The Internet is 100 percent on our side. We never had the Internet. You know, we did have the Internet, but it wasn't. It wasn't. I remember when I used to have to put flyers under windshield wipers on windscreens, you know, to try to get the message out back in the 60s and 70s. But this is where the Internet has definitely been our ally. Yeah. Keith, surprisingly, I mean, I first probably become pretty active in about 2010.
[00:32:46] And the Internet, the BNP had a website that was well visited, but no one really had their own profiles online. It was more, you know, more central base. And, you know, definitely the Internet has definitely helped. But we're bringing politicians on side. I wouldn't I would not say we're bringing them on side because we all know politicians are prostitutes. So they they they basically say what you want to hear until they get elected.
[00:33:15] But I I can confirm that the politicians in attendance tonight definitely wouldn't fit the bill of being a, you know, a political prostitute. These are the real deal. They mean what they say. They they're the message is clear. The message is exactly the same as ours. And yeah, they're getting elected all over Europe. If you look at the AFD, the AFD now in Germany is polling at just under 30 percent. And this party was only formed in 2013.
[00:33:45] And they've just gone from strength to strength. So at first, they was only really winning elections in eastern Germany. So Saxony and the surrounding states. And now you look at the polls. And so when they when they they they color code color code the polls of a map of Germany and they use the cover. They use the color baby blue to show the AFD. And the AFD is swept into central and even western Germany.
[00:34:13] And western Germany has been extremely hostile towards our message for well ever since the end of the Second World War. And now we're even the AFD are even eating into the vote in western Germany. So, yeah, we're we're we're we've we've things have things have things have you know, I forget to tell you now, but a lot a lot can change in politics in in in such a short period of time.
[00:34:41] And as it stands, it's just changing so rapidly. It's bizarre because Portugal itself is actually has actually elected a socialist government about a year ago, about two years ago. And I think they got like 75 percent of the vote, which is extraordinary. But there has been no sign of any Antifa or any left wing opposition whatsoever.
[00:35:10] But I do remember looking around at the bar we was all in last night and thinking we have a lot of muscle on our side. So it'd be very idiotic of them if they was to try that luck. Yeah, I'm sure that they're going to be the speeches are going to be proliferating on the Internet. But the place to go right now is on Twitter. I still call it that at recent. I do. R.E.S. U.M. 26.
[00:35:39] The Web site is Remigration Summit dot com. But I think that was mainly just a vehicle for purchasing tickets. But you'll find it. You'll find it. You'll find the content. But let's get back to, well, just more from the scene there in Portugal. Tell us a little bit more about some of the other speakers. You've mentioned some, but there were many more. Last year, it was much more scaled down than this. It was I think it took place the entirety of it in just an afternoon.
[00:36:06] It was about a half a dozen speakers, if I'm not mistaken, or if my memory is not betraying me. This year, there seemed to be almost dozens of speakers. And it was almost a 24 hour event. How long did they speak? I mean, they're micro, I mean, they're not, you know, long speeches, but. Yeah, I mean, the average speech might have lasted between 30 and 40 minutes.
[00:36:31] But on the, going back to the topic of those who were speaking, there's one who I hope gets to listen to this broadcast. His name is Max Marksill. And he's a German, he's a German activist for Generation Identity in Germany. And they stopped him at the airport. It must have been yesterday morning. And anyway, they stopped him and they said, you can't fly. We know where you're going to. We know, we know what your business is.
[00:37:00] You're not boarding any planes. And do you know what he done? He got in a car and he drove 22 hours to the conference. So it was, he basically made, yes, yes. He made a video. So we had TV screens all over the conference room. The conference room was huge. It was, it was, it was probably the largest conference room I've ever been in, in regards to political world, probably, probably ever, to be honest.
[00:37:29] And he basically put out a video saying, sorry, I can't be with you today. But I was stopped at the border in Germany. And I'm really sorry. And I didn't want to take any chances. I might be fined or whatever. And then all of a sudden, who appears but Max? And it's all, it's all, it's all on camera. It's all on video. They had a professional photography team there. Several, several photographers there. And who appeared but Max Marksell.
[00:37:56] So he actually, he drove 22 hours across an entire continent to be with us tonight. So if anyone deserves a special recognition, it was him. And he also delivered a brilliant speech. But all these speeches will be, will be available online. And I'll probably find myself watching some of them again online because some of them I missed. But, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:21] It was extremely dedicated to drive across an entire continent in particular. I mean, you're talking about from Germany to Portugal, Keith. Nick, who is going to be the Great White Hope in England? Is it going to be Rupert Blow? Or is there somebody at this conference that you have any faith in leading you out of the wilderness? Well, as a Brit, yes. I think it's going to be Restored Britain. I think they're going to be the vehicle.
[00:38:52] They haven't thrown anybody under the bus yet. And the media has relentlessly come out and said, you know, targeted individuals and said, oh, this person done this thing six, seven years ago or whatever. And as it stands, they've excluded no one. They've basically said, look, we'll give everyone a fresh start. We're a Christian party.
[00:39:18] Everyone, if someone has made a mistake in the past, then, you know, we're willing to say, OK, the slate is now clean. And we forgive and forget. But as it stands in the UK, I can only talk to the UK, really, in terms of Restored Britain, that is the main vehicle that now everybody is getting behind. And Restored Britain had a fantastic election result in Great Yarmouth, which is Rupert Blow's seat.
[00:39:48] But on a council level, they took every single seat that was up for grabs, which was 10 seats. And they absolutely wiped the floor with Nigel Farage's refraud. They're called refraud, but I call them refraud UK. Yeah, Nigel Farage's fool's gold, I believe. We all know that. He might have been genuine 20 years ago, but he's far from genuine now.
[00:40:16] You couldn't get more establishment if you tried than Nigel. Nick, let me ask you this. And yes, your contemporary Nick Griffin, who is so often on and he's taken, you know, an active interest, to say the least, in what's going on over there. He'll be on later in June. But with regards to just the whole, as you mentioned, you're a pan-European activist, but you're a grassroots activist in England and in the UK.
[00:40:44] Do you see any nation in Europe really unchackling themselves and breaking free? Because, I mean, the system does have a pretty well-developed immune system to people really going all the way.
[00:41:07] I mean, there is room, I think, for recalcitrant members of the European Parliament or even members of the Parliament in these respective nations, but for a nation to actually break free. I mean, we know the last time that happened in Europe. Do you see that possibly happening again? Because there does seem to be a growing strength, but we have not yet gotten to the point where a nation has been captured and sort of left the new world reservation, for lack of a better term.
[00:41:37] Yeah. So that was a good analogy, that, you know, immune system, because the voting systems are very different all across Europe. So in the States, you have, you know, strict voting systems that basically operate across the entire nation. But with Europe, in some parts of Europe, you have proportional representation. In most of Europe, you do, to be fair.
[00:41:58] So if you were to take, say, the Front National, for instance, Marine Le Pen, if the French had the same system that we did in the UK, then Marine Le Pen would have been president years ago. But they don't. So when it comes to the final hurdle, every single other political party basically gangs up and tells their electorate to vote against Le Pen. So that's what keeps them in power. And it's the same in Germany.
[00:42:27] Now, the AFD are riding high. They're just, as I said, under 30% in the polls. But they have electoral representation. Sorry, proportional representation. So in the UK, it's first past the post, which makes it very, very hard, because it means you need support in basically concentrated in every or the majority of constituencies across the entire country,
[00:42:56] where in Germany and elsewhere, not just Germany, but elsewhere, if you get 20% of the vote, you get 20% of the seats in parliament. So that makes perfect sense. But again, getting 20% or 30% of the vote means that 70% of the country hasn't voted for you technically. So therefore, they're going to form every single coalition they possibly can to block you from power.
[00:43:24] So you can look at the polls and feel very delighted and enthusiastic about them. But the polls and actually translating that into power are two different things entirely. And that's something we can't... It's sort of out of our control at the minute. But all we can do is keep pushing the Overton window.
[00:43:52] And I mean, we haven't got to push the Overton window. Our governments are pushing the Overton window for us. The Labour... Keir Starmer has pushed the Overton window far more than I could if I was Prime Minister or if Nick Griffin was Prime Minister. You know, he has pushed the Overton window so much. I have so many normies at work and in society in general. And as I say, you know, he couldn't have done...
[00:44:20] Starmer really couldn't have done more for our calls than a nationalist could have because the amount of damage he has done. But of course, that means we've got to undo the damage, which makes our task slightly harder when we get power. Do you feel like the electoral system in England... You feel like the electoral system in England is more conducive to change than, let's say, France or Germany? Is that a correct statement?
[00:44:51] It's becoming... We've always had the two-party system, the Tories and Labour. It's becoming... It is definitely changing. If we are to give Nigel Farage credit, he has been a wrecking ball in the sense that he has destroyed the two-party system. Now, so all of a sudden, that opens things up. We no longer have two parties. I mean, there are several parties.
[00:45:15] For instance, the Green Party have taken an awful lot of votes from the Labour electorate. And so they have spinned to the left-wing vote. On the contrary, reform would argue that, oh, Rupert Lowe and Rastor, they have just been to the right-wing vote. But as I said, I mean, reform are complete fools. But what reform are going to start doing is parroting exactly what's coming out of Rupert Lowe's mouth.
[00:45:45] And that gives people the incentive to think, well, I'm not going to sit the vote, so I'll stick with reform because they're basically saying the same thing, and they've got more of a chance of winning. So we have to... My strategy would be to dissect, you know, reforms, policies, what they've said. At the end of the day, Nigel Farage has taken on half of the... Not half, but he's taken on a significant faction of the ex-Tory cabinet
[00:46:15] who completely messed up the country, who completely opened the doors for mass immigration. Is Labour and the Tories joining forces to try to defeat this movement? Quick answer on that, and I've really got to get back to this re-migration summit and bring it to summation here. The Tories are pretty irrelevant now, Keith. To be honest, it's pretty much reformed via Labour, and the Greens are in the mix.
[00:46:43] All right, and we'll talk more about English politics going forward and across Europe when they have these national elections. Very important, very important. But right now we're talking about the re-migration summit and its prospects for the future and the prospects of things developing and blossoming from here that will, through the butterfly and domino effects, lead us to greater heights. But I would just say this, 600 people there today. That is a decent crowd. People forget here in America
[00:47:11] that it wasn't all that long ago that you could have public meetings that would not get shut down. As a matter of fact, the last one, there's a reason for me, again, telling this story or telling another story from some of our past. I think it's important to have perspective. If you haven't been around as long as some of us have, then you don't know. But 2008, we were having a conference here in Memphis, and it was about the size of this.
[00:47:38] It was over 500 people for sure, maybe just under six, but between 500 and 600 people, big crowd. And they pulled the rug out about two weeks in advance. And, of course, people today say, well, of course they did. What did you expect? But back then, even here in the United States, even into the early 2000s, Jared Taylor's American Renaissance was holding public conferences that were publicly promoted at corporate hotels every year. The Council of Conservative Citizens were doing the same.
[00:48:07] It wasn't until this one in November of 2008 where they were able to really just take a legally binding contract and tear it up and just say, you're out because we don't like your politics. And then from there, they did it to everybody, to Jared, to the council. Everything had to go underground or to state parks like Jared does now. We had to go to state governments because the First Amendment only applies to the state, not to private individuals. And, you know, for our part, we just limit our conferences to donors and people we know personally. And, you know, we don't announce them publicly.
[00:48:38] But 600 people is a decent thing. Now, we didn't have the Internet back then. And they do. But that's a good crowd. They sold out their venue. And it looks sharp. It looks sharp. Very sharp. And, again, I encourage everybody to check it out. But, you know, Nick, again, you go back through your years of activism. We have both, collectively, the three of us, me, you, Keith, we have seen it. So we know. And a lot of people come and go.
[00:49:06] And sometimes the slick and the well-funded, they go even more quickly. Do you see a staying power here? And I'm not casting any aspersions or in any way. I'm just asking because you've been there. Does this movement have traction? Does this movement have traction? Will it stick? And do you believe that they will actually be able to penetrate electoral politics, that things that happen as a result of the Remigration Summit
[00:49:33] will affect lasting political change on a national or perhaps continental level in Europe? Yeah. Well, it already has. And the fact that there was only 300 people at last year's conference and 600 at this year's conference, and then if we were to go back 10, 15 years ago, when it comes to, you know, pan-European politics, you know, you might get 50 people at a conference. But now, as I say, when the question was asked,
[00:50:02] how many of you here today, is this your first ever political conference? I would say at least 50% of the audience put their hands up. So, you know, that's extremely positive. And there's more, there was way more elected officials there today in person and also some of them gave speeches via the TV, video link.
[00:50:29] So it was, yeah, no, it's all guns blazing. And there is absolutely not one part of me that feels black-pilled about the way, you know, in the direction in which our movement's moving in Europe. So you think that all of the organizers are true hearts that are working for a cause greater than themselves, putting the collective ahead of the individual? And I have no reason, by the way, I'm not asking this question because I have any reason to believe that that is not the case. No, no, no.
[00:50:58] I do believe it to be the case. We've had that experience here. Well, I mean, you've had that experience anywhere, anybody that's been involved in this. You've seen the good and the bad and the ugly. People come and go, yeah. So I'm asking that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just asking you because you've got this perspective and this street cred. Well, Martin Selner has been political active since he was about 15, I think. So he's going nowhere. I don't know his exact age. He's probably in his late 30s. He's going absolutely nowhere.
[00:51:26] There is, I mean, if you were to go somewhere, the second you were threatened with a custodial sentence or the second the police knocked on your door, you'd probably fold straight away and say, do you know what? I want to live a, you could probably say, I want to live a quote normal life, you know? And you've got so many people there with similar stories to tell and none of them, none of them are folding. You know, you can lock us up, but you can't lock the idea up.
[00:51:55] You can't lock the ideals up and you can't lock an entire movement up. You can't lock 600 people up. And Europe, our freedom of speech isn't like yours. It is restricted in more places other than some others. But at the end of the day, no one's budging. No one's budging. No matter how much the state is crushing down on our movements,
[00:52:22] on individuals, I have not seen anyone in a leadership position fade away, walk away. Well, it's like you said. I mean, just a few days ago, Dries got another sentence. I mean, he keeps getting these sentences and he just keeps showing up. He's a Teflon activist. Well, he's not Teflon. I mean, they're sticking. Well, he's not going to jail, though. Well, I don't understand that, actually, because he keeps getting prison sentences. But that's the difference in the appeal process in Europe.
[00:52:52] And he was there today. He had a great big smile on his face. I saw it. Yes, I saw it. Well, it is important. I mean, we had one of his contemporaries over here last year for our Will to Power conference. It is great when you have former sitting and aspiring elected officials mixing with activists. And we had that last year at our conference in South Carolina. We still have a candidate on the field. I think we still may get somebody elected as a result of that or as an extension of that.
[00:53:19] And we came in close, a narrowly missed a runoff earlier this year. We still got a guy a few weeks away from going into his primary. So we'll see. But it is great to know that things are happening across the Western world on both sides of the Atlantic. And I want to thank you again, Nick Scanlon, for being with us and for breaking down this incredible event that is certainly the toast of the cause right now in Europe and everywhere. Eyes on the Remigration Summit with about a minute remaining.
[00:53:48] Final word to you, my friend. No, the honor's mine, James, to have been invited on. And as I say, obviously, Jared was there and several others. So I'm sure they can dissect it even more in weeks to come when they're a lot more alert. I currently have. But thank you very much, James, for having me on. I know you are fatigued after being up for so long and being engaged in these conferences,
[00:54:15] which are mentally taxing because there's just so much information, so much happening, so many people to talk to. And for staying up late, it's 1 a.m. now there in Portugal where you are. Yeah, go ahead. As tradition, I'll just say hello to all the Jolly Boys. You heard it, Jolly Boys, over there in South Carolina. Well, you get a well-deserved rest, my friend, and we will talk to you again soon.
[00:54:42] And, you know, we've been planning this with Nick for a couple of months now. I'm glad it's finally come to pass. It exceeded expectations. Thank you, Nick. We'll be back.