Radio Show Hour 1 – 2026/05/23

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[00:00:30] It's Saturday evening, May the 23rd. We are live, James Edwards and Keith Alexander. A week ago, at this time, Thomas Massey had not yet been defeated. Now he has. And we're going to be sinking our teeth into this for the full hour. We're going to be skipping the floater breaks. We're going to go directly to Lou Moore, who has returned to the show for the second time in three weeks.

[00:00:55] A couple of weeks ago, he was with us to talk about this flurry of redistricting in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision on the Voting Rights Act. But he's back with us now to offer an in-depth analysis, as only he can, the political pro that he is, about what happened in this race and what the future may hold. We're always grateful to have the prescient insights of Lou Moore delivered on this program.

[00:01:21] And we go to him now. Lou, I texted you a couple of days ago and I said, you know, Lou, I hate to hesitate to draw from the well too often, but there's just nobody I'd rather have to talk about this race than you. So, and you said, well, I am very interested in what happened here. What has most piqued your interest in the days since Tuesday? Well, it's a variety of things, James, and my interest has peaked a long time before Tuesday.

[00:01:48] I mean, first of all, you know, this is the most expensive congressional primary in history, and it's not even close. And, you know, even Massey raised $15 million. I mean, so this was a big deal in terms of attention, in terms of financial attention from various interests. You know, the fact that overwhelmingly Gal Rain's money was from the Israel lobby, that his consultant was Trump's consultant,

[00:02:13] that Trump was, it was basically Trump on the ballot against Massey in a district that he won two-thirds. The fact, though, that hardly a third of Republicans even bothered to turn out and vote after $45 million was spent trying to get them to vote. So, I mean, there's just a lot of things. And then the age breakdown is possibly the most interesting thing.

[00:02:43] And for those of us who are looking at this race in terms of a larger picture and looking at the future, I mean, this is incredible that one candidate basically dominated the boomers, two to one. And another candidate dominated all the other age groups with the youngest cohort, 18 to 29, 10 to one. And three to one, it looks like, with millennials.

[00:03:09] At least that's the most detailed and most reliable polling I saw. And kind of in Generation X, it was kind of a draw, 45 to 54. But to have the voter file so separated by age, to have the voter file separated by a president who at one time was extremely popular in that district, you know, versus a member of Congress who, you know, a lot of times people don't even know who their member of Congress is.

[00:03:39] And then, you know, just one more thing. Massey is now a national figure. All this money, both positive and negative, spent with the name of Thomas Massey connected to it, has turned him into a national figure, which I think in itself is going to be interesting. You think he's going to be a podcaster? It's possible, Keith, because I think almost everyone in America now is a podcaster. That's for damn sure.

[00:04:05] But the other thing I was thinking of is, wasn't it like 3% of Gal Rain's contributors were from Kentucky? No, it wasn't anywhere close to that. Now, according to Grok... No, I said 3% of his were from Kentucky. Almost all of Massey's were from Kentucky. No, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, here's the numbers that I've got, Lou, and you tell me if this correlates.

[00:04:35] Massey had 1,545 donors from Kentucky, which seems low for someone, as you say, with his national profile, not to mention his statewide profile, especially in his district. It says he had a little over 1,500, which seemed low to me. Galrain had 70, 70 donors from Kentucky, according to the FEC. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so small. Well, that's not 3% unless he only had 300 total donors. Yeah, I mean, relatively... It's not the numbers, it's the amount. Go ahead.

[00:05:04] Yeah, well, I mean, relatively speaking, I think they both had a lack of participation from Kentucky. As I just said, gentlemen, $45 million spent and 200,000 Republicans out of 300,000 weren't even moved to vote in this race. This was a closed primary. This was only for Republicans. There's a little over 300,000 Republicans in this district.

[00:05:29] And we got, I think, around 103,000, 104,000 people voting. So, I mean, actually, that needs to be looked at in more detail with focus groups and whatnot, because that's a whole lot of Republicans. Partisan, registered Republicans weren't even moved to vote in this contest. I've heard a lot of people talk about that. You know, it looks to me like the whole thing has gone down to are you for Jewish power and influence or against it?

[00:05:59] Because that seems to be the primary issue in this election. What do you say, Lou? Well, no, I would say, Keith, I mean, honestly, as far as the issue in play in the election, what political communications were about, it was all about loyalty to President Trump.

[00:06:21] And there was a secondary underlying issue, which honestly was immigration, where Massey was not quite as strong as he should have been, at least in his profile. Now, he's against E-Verify. You know, he voted against the big, beautiful bill. He had reasons for this. I'm not attacking him right now. He's just a typical libertarian, right? Well, he's more, he's a little closer to Ron Paul than Pat Buchanan, I would say. But, and I'm not criticizing Massey. I like Massey.

[00:06:51] Indeed. But, honestly, there were those two issues. And the other thing is, a lot of people haven't talked about, Massey made a lot of enemies with the local Chamber of Commerce class in that district over many years. And they've just been laying in wait for him. And these people have some pull. And so I think it was those three elements that caused his defeat. But the fuel, the rocket fuel, was the Israel lobby, no doubt.

[00:07:19] But these people, they never liked the leaf fingerprints. So, no, I don't think Israel was an issue that was raised by Massey's opponent. But Massey's people certainly were raising a huge issue about foreign interference in our elections, which is awful. But, you know, this is a pattern over many years with these guys. It was an issue, of course, in terms of the amount of money they pumped in to prop up Gal Rain. But it wasn't an issue that was on the minds of most people in Kentucky.

[00:07:48] I mean, people who get all of their news from Twitter believe that everybody knows what they know. But the people in Kentucky didn't know that and weren't paying attention to it. So let's go over a few numbers here, Lou, and break this down. I said last week when Roger Devlin was on that I thought Massey was cooked, and he was. And he lost by 10 points. Was that spread a surprise to you? I mean, it wasn't. Did he over or under? Did Massey over or underperform? I would certainly say he underperformed.

[00:08:18] He underperformed. And, you know, I'll be real honest. There's one pollster who I look to more than others that are out there who I think understands the Trump voter. He also understands the libertarian thing. And that's Rich Barris. And he had it down like 5049. And he blew it. And it is the worst call he's ever made. And I'm quoting him. And I know him. He's worked for me. So he is a great pollster.

[00:08:46] But there were just a lot of people out there that, you know, don't have the kind of strong views that we have. They're not anchored in any one ideological place. And vaguely, Trump is extremely popular in this district. But on the other hand, Massey has been able to amass huge vote totals in the past. But again, gentlemen, very low turnout in price. I mean, I am stunned.

[00:09:14] I think they got like 18 percent turnout among Republicans in the last race. Why do you think that is? You know, that's something I'd like to look into more. I don't think it can be explained in any one way because it is abnormal. And there's three. I'm going to say it again. There's over 300,000 registered Republicans in Kentucky. Only registered Republicans can vote in this primary.

[00:09:38] And I think we ended up with about 105,000, 400,000, 400,000, 500,000 people that voted in this primary. It was just two guys on the ballot. That's like 33 percent. That's terrible. Considering the money they spent, it's awful. The money on both sides, as you say, I think close to $35 million, the majority for Gal Rain.

[00:09:58] But Massey was not that far behind, even with AIPAC solidly continuing to pump in this money and all of the national media attention it got relative to a primary race. And so but here are the things, though. I'm going to get in. We're only going to take the bottom of the hour break so we can maximize this hour with you, Lou. And when we come back after the bottom of the hour break, which is still 15 minutes from now, we're not about to go to break.

[00:10:23] But I'm going to give you my thoughts on this, and we're going to talk about long-term trends, and we're going to just sort of flesh it out as we go forward. I don't think that this is some catastrophic, devastating defeat that a lot of people online seem to think it is. And I'll get into why I believe that. Oh, absolutely not. I mean, not from our perspective, James. No, this – I mean, it's unbelievable the amount of animus and money and all kind of dirty tactics, AI ads.

[00:10:52] They pulled out all the stops to take this man out, and he still raised his own vote total. And it was just the fact they could get enough low-information voters out to get this 55-45 margin. But no, and you look at, again, the youth cohort solidly, solidly in Matthew's direction.

[00:11:15] And much more informed, in my opinion, I am sure, about the Zionist issue and the foreign influence in the election issue. Well, you've mentioned it once before. Let's reiterate as a point of emphasis because this, to me, was the biggest takeaway. When I look at things, I don't look at this as – as I said, and there are other reasons, and I'll get into them in a moment, why I don't think Massey's defeat is, you know, some huge catastrophic loss for our side.

[00:11:43] But I mainly am looking at things in terms of trends, 10-year trends. Where were we 10 years ago? Where are we today? How do we project – where do we project to be 10 years from now? Well, we can take this election as a case study on that. And here are the cold, hard facts. The voting demographic aged 18 through 29, which is the youngest voting demographic, broke 81.5% for Massey.

[00:12:11] The boomers and silent generation, those aged 65 plus, broke 62% for GalRayne. Now, the problem is those older demographics represented 54% of the people who voted in this election, whereas that younger demographic only represented 5.4 or 6.5, depending on where you look, about 6% of the voting electorate in this one.

[00:12:36] So the future looks good, but the AIPAC lobby, the Israeli lobby, were able to basically buy Fox News for this election cycle in that district, and these people voted accordingly, and Trump did run the table, 38-0 in his endorsements. Let's let Lou respond to that and then keep to you. No, no, no. It's absolutely true, James. And, again, I'm not actually looking at exit polling data, and I don't know the accuracy of it,

[00:13:05] but I went into depth with all the polling before the election. And the most accurate pollster that I'm aware of that was polling in that race, he had the 29 to 45 cohort 3 to 1 for Massey. I mean, that's unbelievable. And, again, this was a referendum on President Trump, 110%.

[00:13:31] That was the biggest issue in this election because that's what all that AIPAC money made it, made that the big issue. And that was a smart move because Trump was hugely popular in this district at one time. But this shows a bigger issue, James, and I've alluded to it. I've talked about it at length on my show, and I think we've discussed it on your show, is Trump's base is fracturing, and it's fracturing along AIDS lines. This is national. This is not just in this district.

[00:14:00] But this district was a real microcosm of what's going on nationally, you know, with Trump, with his lack of faith as far as the war in terms of the Epstein files, in terms of all these other issues. And I think we saw it in spades with the breakout of this election. And these exit poll numbers you have are very close to the numbers I've seen that were in the detailed polling just before the election.

[00:14:26] Well, you know, somebody needs to get the younger cohort out to vote. That's apparently the big problem. It's not that they're voting wrong. They're just not voting in large enough numbers. Now, no, true enough. And I'll tell you, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead. I just want to say it was a deliberate strategy. Chris Lasavita is an evil genius who was the consultant and the strategist behind this. He had two strategies.

[00:14:57] One was a, you know, Fox News boomer strategy, rah, rah, the flag, President Trump, you know, all the negative stuff about Massey. But the other strategy was the negative stuff because every focus group, every poll I've seen of any quality at all shows, younger people, if they're not high information, are just completely turned off by negativity.

[00:15:20] And so there was a very deliberate effort to suppress this younger cohort in the voter file because they knew if the younger people turned out, this gowring was toast. It would have been Massey in a while. But they were able to suppress that file. And, of course, the old people, they vote. Well, the younger people, except for the aware group, maybe a third that voted, the rest of them seem to be clueless.

[00:15:49] And that may be the problem. Also, this thing seems to be either you're for Gal Rain, I mean, for Massey or against him. Gal Rain is just a mystery out there. Nobody knows what he stands for. He didn't debate. We don't know if he can string three sentences together and make sense. Well, this is another thing I wanted to get into is when the Republican Party runs their preferred establishment candidates,

[00:16:16] it's either illiterate, frankly, blacks like Byron Donald, who's going to blow Florida, it looks like, to a Democratic governor, or what we saw what happened in Virginia when they threw the governorship there. They just can't break those rhinos in their quest for the elusive black Republican and whatnot.

[00:16:40] They keep wanting them, but they can't find the people to actually carry the freight for them. That's one side of it, looking for that pot of black Republicans at the end of the rainbow, as I like to put it. That's one side. The other side is what we had with Gal Rain, which you saw with Bob Dole. You know, why let the people's champion, Pat Buchanan, be the nominee in 96 and go up against Clinton when you could have a resurrected cadaver? And this is what I saw with Gal Rain. I mean, he had the charisma of a turnip. Nobody knows what he stands for.

[00:17:10] He wouldn't debate. He barely did interviews. Yet he won because the money was behind him. And he was Trump's choice. That was it. But, you know, gentlemen, we do have a little bit of an idea what he stands for. He quit the party after Trump won in 2016. He left the Republican Party for five years. And while he was in the wilderness there, he was a DEI trainer. That's my understanding in corporate America. And then, you know, they bring him back with all his money.

[00:17:40] They run the Biden basement campaign. He did no debates. Mass even at one point contemplated chasing him around the district. They were thinking about pulling that one because this guy wouldn't debate. But he did come out. He had one position. He's all for reinstituting the draft. And so, I mean, that's like the only position that was unique to him. Now, one of the young people were against him. All right. Okay. So, Lou, you're nailing it, as you always do.

[00:18:09] So this begs the question. Why were the boomers voting for him like they did? I mean, yes, Trump's endorsement. Yes, Fox News. And why were the Gen Xers voting against him? And I think he just hit the nail on the head with that. He didn't want to be drafted. Asking that question answers it. But, I mean, were people just going in there with basically no idea whatsoever on where he stood for on the issues just because they saw favorable ads on Fox News that were paid for by AIPAC or that Trump had endorsed him? I mean, was that all it took?

[00:18:39] You know, his own position to be there. I think the message, the core message that Lasavita put out was that Massey was disloyal to the president. And this, again, this is an R-20 district where Trump got two-thirds of the vote in 2024. He didn't win 51. He got 67% of the vote in this district.

[00:19:04] And he is the president of the United States, usually a member of Congress, no matter who they are. I mean, Massey got a lot of notoriety as a result of this. But, you know, people are just not going to say, oh, I'm going to stand up for my congressman. That's not your normal low-information voter. But they all know who Trump is. And, unfortunately, the Republican base, I think it's very reflective of where the base is at. It's crumbling. But he's still got about two-thirds rock-solid support in his base.

[00:19:34] And that's who they got out. If that was what was motivating the 65-plus-aged voter, I guess Massey, with his $15 million, wasn't able to get out the information, wasn't able to transmit the message that Gallarine had defected from the party entirely because he was a never-Trumper, which he was. They've never said anything like that on Fox or on Newsmax or whatnot. That's what these boomers are listening to, basically, in the silent generation. Yeah, and Massey was banned from Fox. I don't know if you guys know this.

[00:20:03] Yes, he was. Period. They interviewed him, I think, for the only time in the race, the afternoon of the day of the election. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Now, so, again, I mean, well, it begs the question. Let's not let Trump off the hook here. Why was Trump so anti-Massey? I mean, we've heard a lot of reasons, but what's your reason? Yeah, well, I mean, Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac, in my opinion, so that would be one reason. And Massey stood up to him.

[00:20:32] And, you know, he said, absolutely. If you are supporting release of the Epstein files, I don't even want you in my base. I mean, you know, who says this is politics? But he was serious. He changed his position on that. And, you know, now Tulsi Gabbard is left, too. That's a whole other thing, yeah. He totally did. So, James' question is kind of getting at maybe the root of the matter. And, you know, what's going through Trump's mind? I don't know.

[00:21:01] But the ferocity involved here and sending his own political operation in there, doing a rally in the district, and, of course, rallying millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars that could possibly have been used to hold the House and keep him from impeachment. I mean, I've got to say, in a way, it doesn't even make any sense.

[00:21:27] But if it makes any sense, it looks like that the term Zionist-occupied government may have more validity now than ever before. I mean, seriously. It's like that old song, whatever Lola wants, Lola gets, or whatever Donald wants, Donald gets. And if he wants Massey out that bad, you know, his Jewish friends will find out that he has a wherewithal to do it. Well, I don't know if it's Trump leading his Jewish friends or vice versa. But now let me ask you this, Lou, looking forward.

[00:21:57] I mean, the question was asked, what happens next with Thomas Massey? I don't know how many people know about Thomas Massey. Very smart. MIT, great. He was an inventor. He has patents. I mean, he's taken care of. He's not going to go hungry. Maybe he'll be a podcaster like everybody else with an Internet connection these days. But he could he could Ross Perot, the Republican Party in 28.

[00:22:19] I mean, when you're looking at a lot of states going back to 2016, 2020, 2024, states that have been decided by 10,000, 20,000 votes statewide in a presidential election, it's not unfathomable to consider that if Massey wanted to burn the House down, he might have the ability to do it in 28. Do you think he goes that route? I think it is a possibility. I mean, I'll say a couple of things. One, he is a great candidate.

[00:22:45] In my opinion, just horse flesh, political consultant talk. He's a great candidate. Secondly, he understands populism. He's not he's, you know, intellectually, he's kind of got that Ron Paul libertarian thing going, but he gets it. I mean, Ron did, too, but he really gets it. And and the energy behind his campaign was unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[00:23:10] And just on election night, I mean, he had a huge rally and the people were on their feet the whole time reminded me exactly what I experienced many times with Dr. Paul. But a gallery had like 20 political types all on their phones and nobody was even there. I mean, it was crazy. It was almost crazy. But anyway, I think there is a chance. One impediment people may not be thinking of who are thinking, oh, yeah, Massey, let's put him out there.

[00:23:39] He is kind of a creature of what I call the House of Paul. And Rand Paul went to the wall for him in this election. And I do believe that Rand would like to take another swing at the, you know, another bite of the apple himself. And so that may that may be a little complicated. And this is not inside baseball, gentlemen. I'm not. This is. Yeah, people are going to. Now that Massey's gone, Rand is going to be the main target. I know. Pardon me?

[00:24:08] I said now that Massey's gone, I imagine Rand Paul may be Trump's main target for the next election. He'll be one of them. And he's already taken some shots at him just, you know, with all the talk about this election. So anyway, that may be a little bit of a complication there for those who are in that court quadrant. But I think Massey could. He could become a populist candidate for president. And here's the thing about it.

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[00:29:49] We're back with the great Lou Moore, a political savant par excellence. He was Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager during that legendary historic 2008 campaign.

[00:30:19] Who could forget that? Former congressional chief of staff in Washington for many years under the populist champion Jack Metcalf, a Republican of Washington state, no less. Imagine being a Republican in Washington state and winning. These are the people that Lou has worked for and so many others. I just want to take a moment, gentlemen, if you can give me two or three minutes.

[00:30:43] I'm just going to give you my thoughts on Massey and this race, and then, Lou, I'd like to ask you to respond to that, and then we'll bring Keith back into the conversation. But, again, I would say the trends are the things that I'm most interested in. Ten years ago today, ten years from now, you're looking at how this polling broke down. It's good news for us. We'll maybe circle back to that. But with regards to Massey, we have not talked about Thomas Massey a lot on this show,

[00:31:11] even though this was a very high-profile campaign and a lot of other people were. We did mention it last week because of the absurdity of these sexual, you know, absolved allegations or whatever that was. But here is my personal take on Massey. I do think that people have sort of overemphasized his importance and his allegiance to some of the issues that put our motor into motion.

[00:31:36] He does not have a sense of racial consciousness like George Wallace. He does not have a sense of understanding that we have seen demonstrated of Jewish power and influence like Pat Buchanan. And even, I will say, like Steve King. I mean, Lou, it was a year ago this week that you and I and Steve King and Philip DeWinter, we were all having drinks on this rooftop bar. And, you know, the subject of Jackson, Mississippi came up.

[00:32:06] And Steve King understood very well what the situation in Jackson was. So I haven't heard that from Massey. Now, that is not to say that he is not right for different reasons than the conclusions we may draw. But he's not one of us. He is a principled libertarian. And I don't say that disparagingly, but, you know, my principles. I, he is a guy. Okay. So he's opposed to war.

[00:32:33] He's opposed to funding the war in Ukraine, the war in Iran. That's good. But it's because of principles. Now, I'll give you an example. And I believe this with all my heart. If Charles Martel had called Thomas Massey on October the 10th, 732, and said, Thomas, we need your help here at Tours. He'd have said, can't do it. This is my principle. I don't support foreign wars. So my principle.

[00:33:02] I'm not an immigration hulk. My principle is, is it good for our people? His principle is budget or, you know, technical things, things like that. This is how I read him. And. Or the Constitution. So that's my take on him. I mean, I like gadflies. I like political gadflies. That's what he is. I like people who shake things up. He is a contrarian. That is what he is.

[00:33:29] He is a gadfly and a contrarian who does things that we like for reasons that aren't exactly ours. But for different reasons than ours. And he's not one of us. That's the main thing. He's not a white advocate. And so. In fact, he would blanch if somebody tried to hang that way. Well, we don't know because he's never really talked about it. I mean, there's nobody in Congress that really makes my heart flutter. I mean, you know, maybe Boebert, but that's a different reason. There's some good ones. You know, Gozer in Arizona.

[00:33:58] Ogles in Tennessee. And yes, Massey in Kentucky. I wish he had won. I wish he had won. But he is a reformer. He's not a revolutionary. He wasn't our guy. And I think that there has been a little bit of an overstatement of how important he was and how devastating this loss is. And those are my reasons. Now, Luke, totally disagree with me if you feel it. But that's my take. And I haven't talked to you about this, so I have no idea on how you're going to receive that. But that's the way I'm looking at it.

[00:34:25] Well, I think this was an extremely consequential race because if Massey could have defeated the array of Jewish interest groups against him, I mean, that would have been a humongous defeat. And I think that would have opened the door for a lot more dissent in the Congress against the agenda of the Jewish lobby.

[00:34:55] So in that sense, I think there's an extremely consequential race. I don't know Massey personally. I can't look. I try. I tell people don't look and try to figure out people's motives. It's so difficult to do that in politics. It's almost impossible. But I would say that you're right. He basically comes from the same cut of cloth as Dr. Paul came from.

[00:35:20] And Dr. Paul was very much adjacent to identity type of issues and to cultural type of issues that we are concerned about. But he was animated by what he would call human liberty. And, I mean, he was animated 24 hours a day. He didn't care who his opponents were. He didn't care how much money you had. He didn't care if you were going to attack him. He didn't care if he was banned from TV. He would speak that truth as he understood it to his dying breath.

[00:35:49] And he's still doing it. And I think that's the school Massey comes out of. I think there is a huge opportunity for us to work with people like this. But I'm not disagreeing with you, James. I mean, you know, the fact that he was so completely against E-Verify.

[00:36:08] And I actually understand kind of where he's coming from on a database, a federal database that would basically know exactly where everybody works and where they are at all times, which was his objection to E-Verify. I kind of get that. On the other hand, if we don't stop the assault on our culture and this invasion of this country and reverse it, I mean, we're done for. There you go. So we look at it a little different.

[00:36:38] Yeah, well, see, the way we're looking at it, it's not an abstraction. It is a existential threat having racial strangers come into our country and replace us. 100%. So I get what you're saying, James. But I see, I don't know. I mean, I don't exactly know where Massey's at on all these various issues.

[00:37:03] But I think what has animated him to date is more of a, I wouldn't say even libertarian exactly. I mean, even Dr. Paul didn't really quite fit in that category. And I'm telling you, Ron had populist sensibilities like nobody I've ever seen.

[00:37:21] I mean, what he could do to a crowd using the populist message of the working people against the system, against the majority oppressed by the minority. I mean, he was incredible that way. And I think Massey has all of that in space. But what actually animates him at the core, I mean, I think it's a very legitimate concern that you're expressing.

[00:37:49] Well, listen, I mean, before you and I became friends, although I was on the air in 2008 when you were managing that historic presidential campaign, I was voting for Ron Paul. I voted for Ron Paul twice in the primary. So I was on board with that. But, you know, again, with regard to Massey, I just want to say, and I want to be clear, I wish he had won. I wanted him to win. But I just don't think it is as bad as a lot of people are saying.

[00:38:16] I mean, a lot of people are looking at this as sort of like a death knell. But you look at, you know, these people who voted for Galarine are going to be unshackled from their mortal coil within the next five years, 10 years on the outside. And this young generation that voted 81 percent for Massey in this race, even with all of that, you know, millions of dollars worth of the lobbyist money being pumped into that district.

[00:38:44] And it didn't have any any effect on them whatsoever. They were completely inoculated to it. So I'm looking forward and looking forward. It looks good. But let's talk about what they don't listen to Newsmax and Fox News. That's a big thing. Yeah, that'd be right. They're getting podcast information. And see, well, they were buying. They were buying plenty of ads on the Internet and everything else, too. I mean, they were.

[00:39:08] As I said, they were trying to message them, but they were trying to message them in a way that depressed their turnout. I mean, I'm just telling you. That's what was going on there. Well, OK, maybe that did work because they definitely didn't turn. I mean, they turned out the people who were eligible to. Well, of the overall people who voted in that race, only six percent were of that demographic that voted 81 percent for for Massey.

[00:39:33] But nevertheless, going forward, they were the people who did turn out of that age group. They were unaffected. Now, let's talk about democracy here. I got to bring this up. Democracy. What is democracy? Democracy. You had all of this money and you can say it's a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your persuasion. Of course, here on this program, everybody knows our opinion on it.

[00:39:56] But of the money being pumped in by AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby into this race, there's no doubt that it turned it for Gal Rain. That's 100 percent the deciding factor, along with Trump's endorsement, of course. But they sort of come hand in glove. The overall Jewish percentage of the population in Kentucky is 0 percent. It's 0.3 percent. It's 0.3. It's 18,000 out of over 4 million.

[00:40:25] This is literally 0 percent of the voting electorate in this district was Jewish. But it was their interest that turned the whole thing. It was their money that did it. Okay. And that's the way it's always been. And like, you know, I'm disappointed that Massey didn't get in, but I'm not as disappointed as I was when Pat Buchanan went down. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, for sure. Or Ron Paul, for that matter. All right. So anyway, so let's talk. Let's shift gears to this.

[00:40:52] I wanted to bring out that statistic, though, that because it was a closed primary. So you didn't have people crossing over. It was a closed Republican primary in Kentucky. So there were no blacks to speak of voting in this and certainly no Jewish folks either. But yet this lobby. Money talks and BS walks. But let's talk about some of the reaction that are coming from people online saying that they are going to vote straight Democrat now as a result of this. What do you think about that as a strategy in November?

[00:41:23] Well, I know this is, you know, Nick Fuente is going to kick this off. Yeah, I get it, but I'm not with it. I mean, I'm just not. Suicide? Well, there's just too many aspects of what a member of Congress does and who they are and who they hire. And there's just so many factors there. And many of them may be apparent to the untrained eye.

[00:41:53] And I don't want to see any Democrats in any of those slots. We'll be under a liberal tyranny for the rest of our lives. What was that law that they tried to pass that said that basically you couldn't have all these private donors coming in, that there was going to be money coming from the federal government to run campaigns and whatnot? And remember that loss? Do you remember all that? Yep. Oh, yeah. I remember the battles.

[00:42:20] I mean, this is it actually hasn't had it has had as much oxygen recently as it had maybe 20, 25 years ago with Common Cause and some of those groups. But, yeah, I mean, people talk about it. But, you know, now, you know, with the Citizen United decision of the Supreme Court, an organization, I think I had three friends on the board of Citizen United when they issued that ruling. But anyhow, it's been Katie Bar the Door.

[00:42:48] And how you are going to keep these oligarchs out of this process now, I mean, good luck. But as far as democracy, democracy is ruled by rich people manipulating the masses. That's how that works. The average founders were totally against democracy. Democracy is mob rule, and the mob is controlled by people that control the instruments of information. Hear, hear, Lou Moore.

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[00:43:46] You'll see the icon for Lou Moore's Hour of Decision. And he's got a show every week. And you will not regret listening. So anything else you want to say about Massey? I want to extend the conversation into a couple of other races and look forward for a moment, if we can, to the midterms. Also, let me just ask you this, too. What about Tulsi Gabbard? Is that just a coincidence or what? Let's do 30 seconds on Tulsi.

[00:44:14] Yeah, no coincidence. I think she was just trying to be graceful in her exit. They've been trying to push her out. They've been trying to cut her budget. The CIA just raided her offices and pulled a bunch of the Kennedy files. Even Bobby Kennedy is screaming and yelling about this and look for him to possibly be the next one to exit. And this is a terrible situation. But Trump is completely in the thrall.

[00:44:42] He's either gone nuts or he's completely in the thrall of the Zionist neoconservative bloc. And, I mean, he's telling us that we've got to listen to Mark Levin if we want to know what's going on. He's calling some of his most loyal supporters, you know, every name in the book and using Democrat talking points on him. He's lying his head off every time he speaks. And I just grieve over this. But I think that's our situation.

[00:45:11] And Tulsi surprised me because I was a little suspicious of her left-wing affiliations. But I think she's been great in her office. And that's why they had to get rid of her because she has been great on election integrity, on many things. And, pardon? Alexander Dugan in Russia said that she's the last of the MAGA originals, basically. Yeah, we ran into her. I ran into Tulsi in Memphis. She was speaking at an event here.

[00:45:40] And we talked. This was the year that Trump was running against Kamala. But, all right, so let's look forward to the midterms. Again, well, I mean, they got creative and they got this huge assist from the Supreme Court with the Voting Rights Act that sort of shored up some of these seats that they could flip.

[00:46:00] But is that going to be enough to withstand the normal attrition that has been made so much worse by Trump's own actions coupled with the affordability crisis? What are you looking at when you look forward to – or I won't say look forward. Let's say look ahead to November, Lou. What do you think? I think barring a miracle, it's going to be a wipeout. I mean, maybe that's too far.

[00:46:28] As a prognosticator, I should be a little careful there. But, you know, this redistricting is great. But there's still two districts in Virginia that we'll probably lose. We're going to lose a couple of districts, I think, in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania that are Republican, even in Texas. You know, one of the districts they created is only R4. R4 ain't going to cut it in this cycle. If you understand what I'm saying, you know, 4% Republican advantage.

[00:46:57] I think the turnout's going to be down. The Democrats are going to be revved up. They'll find the money. They'll have a ton of money come in through the system. And I think – I just think it's a disaster. This Massey thing is a precursor of it because Trump's base was Massey's people, too. And, you know, I think he's got the rock-hard support of about 60% of his base. Well, I don't get it.

[00:47:23] He needed 100% of his base and then some because a lot of them don't vote in the midterms. And I think it's going to be a disaster at the rate we're going right now. Things don't change. One thing – we're focusing on the Republican weaknesses, and I agree with you. They're all there. But, you know, the Democrats are a cluster. You know what? Okay? They just – Who are their leaders?

[00:47:47] Keith, but nobody's thinking that when gas is $18 a gallon and you can't afford to buy a house, you can't afford to put food on the table. I mean, is it just going to come down to that? They're going to run on the war. They're going to run on gas prices and run on the economy. And interest rates are going to go up. You can about take it to the bank. Interest rates are going to go up. Gas prices are not going to be down by Election Day. This war – you know, Trump has just decided, oh, the war's over now.

[00:48:16] Well, the Iranians don't seem to think that. So, I mean, I don't even know when this war is going to end. And I just think it's terrible. And the Epstein files, for the higher information voters, it's an extremely popular issue, and he's totally on the wrong side of it. And even though there's a ton of Democrats in these files and not so many Republicans, they're shameless. They don't care. They're going to be running on those things.

[00:48:42] And it's going to be very potent, and they're going to add Medicare because Trump said, I don't really care about Medicare. I'm a war president now. I mean, he has made some of the most idiotic statements in the last few weeks. They're already TV ads. Well, they asked him specifically – a reporter asked him at the White House specifically about does he care about people hurting at the pumps? He said he doesn't care at all because we can't allow these people to get a nuclear weapon. But the quote was, I don't care at all. And that's what they're going to run with.

[00:49:10] And listen, I mean, looking after number one is just human nature, and this is going to be a problem. It's just going to be a problem. Now, I do believe that the Democrats are completely just as much controlled by these same interests as the Republicans. But it's very easy when you're out of power to say that you're against this war. Now, when they get back into the power, we'll see what happens. I don't think they're going to be against it as they play now, and people need to understand that.

[00:49:36] All these people saying vote straight Democrats to stick it to the War Hawks, you're going to find out how much the Democrats are opposed to this war when they get back in power. And then when they get back in power, they're going to be just as much for the war, but they're going to be a hell of a lot more in favor of transgenderism and DEI and coming after white groups and white advocates. Yeah, they'll be after us, for sure. The DOJ. I mean, so that's what's coming, but it's hard to see when you're incensed with Trump, and I understand that, too. But let's look at Florida.

[00:50:05] I mean, this whole thing – I mean, DeSantis was one of the most effective or at least influential governors in the country as a Republican, and there should have been a hand-picked successor in that mold. But instead you get, again, just run the black guy propped up by every special interest imaginable. Poll out of Florida right now, David Jolly, 46 percent. Byron Donald's 42 percent. They never learned. The Republicans never learned that that is a bad strategy. Yeah, well, yeah.

[00:50:34] Yeah, well, there was a plan. DeSantis had a plan, but the problem is he completely pissed off the Trump political operation that is based in Florida, Susie Wiles. Guess where she's from? And he was going to put his wife in. Now, that could be too cute. It could violate what I call the too cute rule, but I don't know. It worked for George Wallace. I thought Lurleen actually was better than he was. Better than George.

[00:51:00] Well, and listen, and Casey DeSantis looked better than Lurleen. So I was kind of hoping that she would run for it. I mean, but anyway. But anyway, so they pushed her out of the picture, and the Trump operation got behind Donald. Trump is going to be a little bit. And I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen there. But again, this idea of Florida, it's totally Republican. We don't have anything to worry about. That is ridiculous.

[00:51:27] You know, a majority of Americans are not just Republican clones. I mean, they're not. And, you know, there's going to be a lot of issues at play. It's all cutting against the greater Republicans. The gas prices, food prices, all of it. Got one comment, sort of a comment. We touched on this a little bit earlier in the hour. But two thoughts, and we'll let Lou fly with this because he is traveling tonight. Again, LibertyNewsRadio.com. Go to the Hour of Decision for his weekly show.

[00:51:57] You will not regret it. We can't get him on this show as quickly enough and as often enough. We'd love to have you every week, Lou. But here's the thing. Two thoughts. Number one, the low level of percentage of the under 30 voters in the Massey race. To what extent could this be attributed to the lower numbers of whites as you move from seniors down to the young? And number two, where the anti-Massey votes come from, Kentucky is Baptist in an evangelical state.

[00:52:26] My guess is that the Pastor Hagee times were hard at work in those churches getting out the pro-Israel vote against Massey. You can take that anywhere you want. You've got a minute to go, Lou. Yeah, well, a couple things. That district is like 88% white. That's the first thing. And secondly, there is a large Catholic contingent in that district, which was definitely to advantage Massey overall. And I'm not saying there isn't even – it's Kentucky. There's going to be evangelicals everywhere.

[00:52:55] It might be a larger Southern Baptist contingent. Yeah, but – and I don't have the raw numbers, but there is one area there that is heavily Catholic that's in the district. So it wasn't quite like it would be maybe down in Alabama or something like that.

[00:53:12] But, of course, the ministers – I mean, Israel just admitted they're putting three-quarters of a billion dollars into our political system, and a ton of it is going to be pumped through the churches. They've admitted this. This has come out. This project, they called it 545. It was going to be 545 million, but now they've upped it to three-quarters of a billion dollars.

[00:53:37] And a large – it's going to be all geared at the youth, social media, and in the churches. So, Keith, they go. I mean, they have been targeting – You'll never outspend them. You'll never outspend them. All right.

[00:53:55] Well, Lou, do you want to comment on the lower numbers of the 18- to 29-year-old demographic being correlated to the lower number of whites in that age group vis-a-vis – Yeah, I don't know the – I'm just saying it's not as much as it would be in some areas. That could be a pretty big factor. Not so sure in that district was that big. Okay, that's right. You mentioned 88%. All right.

[00:54:23] Well, and it was a closed primary, so you didn't have a lot of crossovers. Lou Moore, the great Lou Moore. Thank you so much. That is going to wrap up our coverage on NASI. When we come back, we're going to have a guest live from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Where there is a secessionist movement at foot. We'll see how real it is and how much fire there is in the belly there. LibertyNewsRadio.com. Go to Lou Moore's Hour of Decision. We'll be right back. Thank you, Lou.