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[00:00:30] Welcome, one and all, to our live broadcast this Saturday evening, April the 5th. Yes, you heard me right. I said April, which means our annual March Around the World has come to a close. I want to thank again the incredible guests that joined us last month from Great Britain, Canada, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Croatia, Australia, Germany, Ireland, Russia, and South Africa.
[00:00:56] We were going to make a last stop in Estonia last week, but our friend there had a baby, and that is an excused absence if I've ever heard one. Thank you all again, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and our listening audience for being part of our March Around the World. We will transition into another special series a little bit later tonight. Confederate History Month kicks off once again here on TPC.
[00:01:19] But first, we welcome back this first hour, and in fact, right now, your good friend and mine, Mr. Jared Taylor, who, in a scene very much reminiscent of Alexander entering Babylon, he was at Colorado Mesa University last week, and there is a rollicking article about that. A riveting read at AmericanRenaissanceAmRen.com. Be sure to check it out. But before you do, we'll hear from the man himself.
[00:01:48] He's going to tell you all about it. Jared, welcome back. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. And that was really an impressive march around the world you put on. Really quite wonderful. Well, I'll tell you what. The people who make it wonderful are the guests. We have a lot of talented people throughout the Western world and beyond, and it's always a treat to host that, where we feature these international guests exclusively during the month of March. And always fun, always a little extra effort, of course, with the time zones and everything.
[00:02:17] But it's always very rewarding to see how our folks are doing around the white world. And, of course, Confederate History Month is a lot of fun, too. Jared, I know that's an issue near and dear to your heart. We'll be doing that during the month of April. So, yes, sir. Well, let's talk Colorado Mesa University. I read this article, and, well, actually, even before I did that, I watched your speech.
[00:02:41] But it's always interesting when one of our guys is able to go to a, sure enough, university and enjoy that circus-like atmosphere and these institutions of higher learning where everyone is so mature and reasonable. How was your experience, Jared? You know, when I first started going to universities, that must have been about, oh, 20, 25 years ago,
[00:03:08] the reception was often hostile, but it did not throw the entire campus into hysterical conniptions. The last two times I've spoken, this most recently at Colorado Mesa University and before that Arizona State University, the whole campus just seemed to be in a frenzy. And this was really, I suppose this time was really the worst in that respect. Now, don't get me wrong, I was never in any danger.
[00:03:36] The security, as they always do in these campus speaking engagements, was very efficient, very courteous. I never felt threatened in the slightest way. But without them, who knows? Who knows what would have happened? But it all got off to a really, I suppose it was, it could not help but be an earth-shaking episode
[00:03:58] because even before my name was announced, the president of the university sent out an 800-word message to the entire campus saying that this fellow who spews vile and abhorrent ideas was going to come on campus. But little though he liked to have to do it, he felt his duty was to the First Amendment and not to the tender sensibilities of his students. He then went on to say, but this is a good opportunity, a chance of a lifetime really,
[00:04:28] to come listen to this guy and deconstruct his dehumanizing ideas. So I thought it was a little silly of him to say before he'd even heard what I had to say that it was vile and abhorrent, but I thought this is good. Yes, tell the students to come, listen to this guy with whom you're likely to disagree, and expand your mind, wrestle with unfamiliar ideas. But then it didn't turn out that way at all.
[00:04:53] He ended up endorsing and taking part in a campus-wide festival. They called it a unity festival in which they handed out free food, and they had a mechanical bull that people could ride, and they had a moon bounce, a moon bounce and a beanbag toss, and everybody was supposed to go do that at the very time I was giving my talk.
[00:05:19] I mean, that is the opposite of trying to expand your mind by encountering and wrestling with unfamiliar ideas and trying to figure out if they're right or wrong. They're going to refute me by beanbag tossing and going to a moon bounce? Gee, these are not kindergarten kids. These are college students. I thought that was just so sad. It's like, I don't know, they were like Peter Pan and the Lost Boys. We're never going to grow up.
[00:05:47] We're just going to live in this happy never-never land. Yes? Pardon the interruption. I just get into these conversations so much, and I get animated. You touched on something, this childlike mentality that I'll elaborate on or ask you a follow-up question to in just a moment. But just to reset the stage very quickly and allow you to continue on with your remembrances of this event, this happened just last week, ladies and gentlemen, so this is a very new thing since our last program, in fact.
[00:06:16] And, well, there's a headline, White Supremacy Crushed in Colorado. It made all the local news, the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. And I am looking at this. You were brought by the Western Culture Club, which is a student organization there on campus. Again, you know, this fairy tale does exist where colleges or universities or these places of higher learning where ideas can be transmitted and shared, and there'll be a rigorous debate about it.
[00:06:45] But the president of this school, John Marshall is his name, you know, was just – I have never seen such a reaction. And then, again, who are we talking about here? We're talking about Jared Taylor. Now, I understand that the people perhaps at this university don't know Jared as we do. Jared's a gentleman's gentleman and almost courteous and polite to a fault sometimes, if anything.
[00:07:10] And certainly one of the most erudite and scholarly people I've ever had the honor of calling a friend. And I'm looking at these things, Jared. I have been to places with Jared. He is very much an amateur photographer and videographer. When we were in Selma together, I watched him take these pictures. So I was just glued to your article at Ameren where you've taken the pictures of some of the things that have been posted around the campus. And I, of course, appreciate where they called you a self-proclaimed white supremacist.
[00:07:40] I've known you for nearly a quarter of a century. I've never heard you describe yourself as that. But anyway, this is the scene that was there. And rather than coming and hearing perhaps a point of view that maybe they would disagree with or maybe they would be worn over, maybe that's what concerned them. But instead they put on a literal carnival with moon bounces and coloring and all of these things for these young adults who are supposed to be our leaders in the future. That's right. That's right. No, it seemed very, very sad to me.
[00:08:08] Of course, I was called all the usual names, a white supremacist, a neo-Nazi, a hate monger, a fascist. That seems to be the latest thing. I was going to be at that campus to spew fascist lies. You know, the one thing they didn't call me was a Holocaust denier. I was waiting for that. But I was a neo-Nazi and a fascist. But apparently this didn't occur to any of them. But, yes, there were really two different reception parties. I had two welcoming parties.
[00:08:37] One was the campus thing with, say, the free tacos and the burgers and the moon bounce and all this kiddie stuff. And then there was something put on by the Democratic Socialist Alliance. I believe AOC is a member of the Democratic Socialist Alliance. These people are very rabid and very active about trying to keep hate, like you and me, just off the planet, basically, much less the campus.
[00:09:01] And they had all kinds of signs waving around, you know, the usual hate not welcome here. And they were very critical of President John Marshall of the university for even allowing me to set foot on campus. I thought that was very unfair to the guy, very unfair. He says, you know, I do believe in the First Amendment and this guy's awful. But, you know, come, you know, I really have no choice was what he said. But, no, they said, no, of course you have a choice. This is not free speech. This is hate speech.
[00:09:31] This and then this whole idea that somehow my presence was going to make all of the students feel unsafe. Unsafe. I heard this. I can't tell you how many times. The student body president sent an email message to everybody on campus saying, This guy makes most of us, if not all of us, feel unsafe, unheard, unwelcome. Unsafe. Gosh.
[00:10:00] I mean, I wrote to a professor who had made this point in one of the letters that she had sent into a local newspaper. I said, please explain. Do you think that after listening to me, the white students are going to get up lynch mobs or something? How on earth can I possibly make anyone feel unsafe? Now, they can say that they don't want to hear what I have to say. But somehow I emit some kind of mephitic aura that's going to, what is it going to do?
[00:10:29] Make their joints seize up or give them migraines or they're going to fall over dead. This idea that somehow I'm a physical threat to people. This is just so cuckoo. Utterly, utterly cuckoo. You know, another interesting thing happened. And the local community has its own, as I say, this Democratic Socialist Alliance group and sort of a smaller Antifa type group.
[00:10:53] And two of its members came on the campus and spread graffiti around saying that CMU, that's Colorado Mason University, supports Nazis. And fuck Jared Taylor, fuck CMU, all of this stuff. Well, they were caught. Now, of course, it turns out there are two white people. One white woman, rather homely, and then one white guy with a bun. What else would you expect?
[00:11:23] So that was all part of this hysterical, hysterical state of mind. You know, at one time, you know, the local paper was covering this like an absolute blanket. And they interviewed some of the members of the city council. And one of them said, I think I'll go to this event and just check out who's there. As if to say, you know, maybe you'll go photograph all of them and put them on some kind of enemies list.
[00:11:53] Now, another one aspect of it that was rather unfortunate, along with this event that was clearly designed to draw people away from my talk and, in effect, keep them ignorant. I made that point repeatedly. A university is a place where you're supposed to learn. But all of this, with the encouragement of the college president, was designed to keep people ignorant.
[00:12:19] And another way that that happened was that, despite the best efforts of the fellow who invited me out, the head of the Western Culture Club, the event was kind of elbowed into a fairly small room, only 80 seats. And he was trying to figure out what's a way to kind of control traffic in and out. And he made tickets available. So there were 80 tickets available. They were snapped up just in a few minutes because this event was so much the talk of the town and the talk of the university.
[00:12:49] But as it turned out, half of the seats ended up empty because, as he found out later, people got tickets with the deliberate intention of not attending. This, this, and, you know, I'm, again, I'm not quite sure how you would go about doing that. Maybe first come, first serve would have worked. And the campus cops were so worried about security that unless you had a ticket and unless you had shown your ID and been on the list
[00:13:18] and they checked you in as you came in, they put you through a metal detector. In other words, the fact that there were 40 empty seats in this 80-seat room, despite that fact, if you had just showed up and said, hey, I'd like to listen to this guy, they wouldn't let you do that either. So that was, yeah. Well, that was actually, I'm glad you mentioned that, Jared. That was something I was going to touch on that they, as you put it,
[00:13:42] elbowed you into this smallish-sized room and then allowed the opposition to take up tickets and therefore reserving seats that they never intended to fill and perhaps taking away the opportunity for people who legitimately did want to come hear you for being able to do so. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at your photos here. I will just quickly circle back to this. Again, the president, the president spent, it was almost a part-time job.
[00:14:10] As you said, this had become a blanket news story in Grand Junction, Colorado, the city in which this university is situated, for weeks leading up to it. And he spent almost half of his time, best I could tell, denouncing you, wringing your hands, trembling and all of this. And he still got a terrible response from the student body, or at least the vocal left-wing student body. I don't know what more he could have done than to just say you can't come.
[00:14:38] But I would also say just very quickly here, because I want to get to the content of your speech. We're talking about some of the circus-like atmosphere surrounding it and some of the things you experienced. I see here someone with a rainbow necklace. Jared Taylor is not welcome here. You see signs from the typical chubby blue-haired folks. But I see also here, it looks like people, or at least in this photo, a handful of people from the local community.
[00:15:05] I see a guy right here, looks like a cowboy that just walked off the OK Corral in the 1881 tombstone, a cowboy hat and blue jeans and all this. And he's got a hate-has-no-home here. It's just at once, it is just, number one, you weep for the future. Because if, in fact, college-educated people, I don't know what a college education is necessarily worth these days. We've got Spencer J. Quinn coming up next who wrote the book The No College Club.
[00:15:35] Well, an interesting pairing this hour. But if young men and women in their late teens and early 20s going to a university, being bred to be leaders of the business world or whatever, if they cannot handle someone with a difference of opinion coming without literally crying, that is something that is a very, very big problem for any nation. And then, you know, again, just to see these older people who,
[00:16:03] as you wrote, Jared, in your article, and folks, be sure to check it out at amren.com, this is a 90% white, or excuse me, nearly, what, 81% white city, 16% Hispanic, 1% Asian, hardly any blacks. So even to see these older people come out, they have the least experience with the diversity that they love so much. This is something you mentioned. So this is a problem both with the young and at least this handful of old there.
[00:16:32] But I guess the big thing is it's a terrible forecast for the future to see time and time again these college-age students have no more self-control, no more control of their faculties than this. Well, it is disappointing. I was interviewed later by a professor who teaches video at the campus, and he asked me afterwards, well, what was your reaction to all this?
[00:16:59] And I say, my biggest feeling is just one of sadness. Sadness that these young people who are presumably there to expand their minds, to encounter new ideas, they were so deliberately so bound and determined not to listen to what I had to say. And it's just disappointing, really disappointing in that respect. Well, let me ask you. Yes, please. I'm sorry, Jim. Please go ahead. Please go ahead. I want to be sure to ask you about the content.
[00:17:27] I want to just also publicly give credit to the young man who hosted you, his student club. I know he caught a terrible degree of flack as well. Yes, yes. So we want to be sure to acknowledge him. But continue on, and then I'll circle back. We have about six or seven minutes left. I want to be sure to get to the content of your speech. Well, yes. First of all, his name is Max Applebau. He does not mind his name being used. He took an incredible amount of flack.
[00:17:54] And I think many people in his situation would have said, no, we can't do this. I could walk away from that campus. He's there for another year. So he is going to face the heat. And he stood it absolutely like a first front-line brave soldier. I couldn't be more approving of how he handled it.
[00:18:13] Now, what my speech centered on was simply the idea that the things that I say about race and about the demographic future of the United States are what every single American straight from the founding, even from colonial times on, took for granted, clear up until maybe the mid-20th century. I gave historical examples.
[00:18:32] I talked about the first Naturalization Act of 1790 and all of the attitudes that people just thought were essential to being an American. And I tried to explain to them why it was so dangerous to be branching off into this business of diversity, that diversity inevitably brings conflict. Diversity, far from being a strength, is a terrible weakness.
[00:18:59] And that ultimately, our survival as a distinct people with a distinct culture depends on our being able to disengage from others. And here they jabber, jabber, jabber about diversity, I believe in true diversity, which is possible only when beautiful, distinct cultures are able to separate from other beautiful, distinct cultures.
[00:19:23] All right, Jared, let me ask you this because you brought up the – again, folks, by the way, you can read the story and watch the video at amrin.com. Both were published just a couple of days ago on March the 31st. So you can go there. We also have it linked up at thepoliticalcesspool.org. You can find it wherever you'd like. Now, the content of the speech was solid as any Jared Taylor speech always is. I would ask you this, though.
[00:19:50] You came across, as always, in your most congenial way, the manner which we would expect. Do you think, though, in an atmosphere like that, it might have been, I don't know, better or even more effective? But just your take on if you'd given them a more tough love approach. Say, hey, listen, you mentioned Peter Pan and Neverland and all that. I'm not here. I am the guy that your president warned you about.
[00:20:15] I'm going to disabuse you of these fairy tales about the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus coming down the chimney and all races being equal and just sort of giving them a heavier hand. Well, it's interesting you say that. That was precisely the position that our mutual friend Sam Dixon said. He said, I should sort of take the gloves off and say, yes, you're right to be terrified. This campus is absolutely right to be on its ear.
[00:20:44] I don't think that would have been the right approach. It is true that there are some young people who really want to rebel. And if you tell them, look, this is the way you're going to scare the bejabbers out of older folks and here's how to do it. They would like that. I wanted to take an approach to explain to these people, look, you think that I am this horrible guy with horns and with cloven hooves. I'm not that at all.
[00:21:10] I may be a revolutionary in some respects, but I am an entirely normal guy and I am thoroughly in the American tradition. I think it's two different approaches to try to deal with so-called normies. I wanted to break these unfamiliar ideas to them as gently and as persuasively as possible. And if I had taken this, okay, you boneheads, look, this is the way it really is.
[00:21:38] And you've got to get over your illusions, wake up, don't be idiots forever kind of attitude, I think that would have put them off more than it would have won them over. Now, maybe there are various different approaches that different people would have taken, but that was my approach to plant our ideas right in the deep, deep soil of an American tradition that goes back hundreds of years. That was the way I thought I would be most persuasive. Now, maybe there's no way around it.
[00:22:07] But I think that the fact that, first of all, there was a live stream of my talk, and I believe 18,000 or 19,000 people have seen it now. In that respect, it was a success even if there was not a large number of students there. I had hoped for an amphitheater full of students and also for a lengthy question and answer period.
[00:22:31] It was only after I got there that I had learned that campus security had set a hard stop of one hour. One hour. So a couple of times during the talk, I'm looking at my watch, and it gives the impression that, gosh, Taylor's got, he's got, you know, a girlfriend to go see or something. What's going on here? But it was because I was waiting for the campus guy to say, okay, last question. That was too bad.
[00:22:55] And I would have loved to have had another half hour, 45 minutes of legitimate Q&A with a large number of actual students. So that was a disappointment. But I think even some of the people who did shut their ears, they will remember this event. And perhaps as they get older, their minds will perhaps sort of drift back to the idea that, well, maybe that guy, maybe that guy had something worth saying. I hope so.
[00:23:23] I hope the seeds were planted in some of these young minds that appear to you and me to be absolutely locked up, tight as clams and shut as tight as can be. Let's hope so. It can happen. And if it couldn't happen, there would be no point in any of us doing any of this. If we don't believe that we can change minds and reach the hearts of other people who are seemingly lost to us, then there is no reason for our activism. But I would say also, I mean, yes, Jared, I did not know that it reached that many people on the live stream.
[00:23:50] So you reached, you know, 20,000 people almost already. So that was a success in and of itself. And there is no blanket approach that works for everyone. And sometimes people respond to messages in different ways, and you could have won more or lost more any way you went. It was just an interesting question, I think. But nevertheless, it is a speech worthy of your attention, and we call attention to it here, the first 30 minutes of this radio program. We have just seconds remaining, Jared, and they are all yours.
[00:24:18] Well, one consequence of this is that some of the young people who did find out about this, they said, wow, you really stirred that campus with a spoon. Let's see if we can try it at my campus. Very good. Yes, I'm hoping to have more invitations. I ended up having a great time. Nobody better to deliver the message than Jared Taylor. He is at the tip of our spear and a friend to all good men throughout the land and the world. Thank you, Jared, for being with us tonight.
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[00:29:58] I certainly thought that it would make for a clever pairing tonight to have Jared Taylor, who just came back from his talk, just returned home, I should say, from his talk at Colorado Mesa University,
[00:30:25] to have Jared paint the verbal picture of what he experienced there, what the scene was like there in Colorado just a few days ago, and then spend the second half of tonight's first hour with Spencer J. Quinn, author of Critical Days, The No College Book Club Book 2. This is a sequel to his first book, which we interviewed him about a couple of years ago, The No College Club.
[00:30:55] And this is an important thing, what young adults are going through. We need to be able to relate. I'm now firmly middle-aged, maybe a little bit more than that, and I know we have some older audience members as well, but the future is always, as always, with the youth, so we need to keep a thumb on the pulse there for better or worse. Spencer, it's great to have you back tonight for the second time on this program. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.
[00:31:23] Well, this is what this book is about. Again, the book is Critical Days, The No College Club Book 2. It is published by CounterCurrents, and you can find it directly at SpencerJQuinn, Q-U-I-N-N.com, SpencerJQuinn.com. Here's the synopsis. Actually, excuse me, it's sjquinn.org. We've changed it. Oh, I'm here. That's my home address.
[00:31:51] You can also buy it at CounterCurrents and on Amazon. Okay. All right. I was at the old address, and it still worked for me, but give me that new one again, and I'll link over. sjquinn.com? sjquinn.org. .org. sjquinn.org. That is even easier for you, ladies and gentlemen. sjquinn.org. Thank you, Spencer. I'm there now. You've got a nice statue there and all of your books, including the kids' books that I have a copy of, I might add.
[00:32:20] So here's the synopsis of the book we're talking about right now, Critical Days, The No College Club, Book 2. Three white students, three white high school seniors, in fact, enter a prestigious scholarship competition. The topic? Critical Race Theory. One is a true believer, one is doing it for the money, and one is doing it for his secret crush. But as they learn more about the doctrine's insidious anti-white agenda, their friendship gets tested in unexpected ways.
[00:32:49] They're not supposed to challenge Critical Race Theory, yet they do. This forces them to make difficult, life-altering decisions, which could jeopardize their families, their futures, and their very identity as white Americans. Folks, this book is getting praise from some of our brightest stars. Kevin MacDonald writes, I found this book to be a riveting page-turner, in which I became immersed in the characters, both good and bad. Throughout, I was curious how it would all play out,
[00:33:17] and was quite satisfied with the ending. To tell us more is the author himself. Spencer, without further ado, please take it away. Fantastic. So, yeah, the story basically begins with our main character, Will. Will is, you know, he's middle in popularity, and he's pretty undistinguished as a student. He's a nice kid, very nice kid. He's overweight, and he doesn't have the best social prospects,
[00:33:42] but he's in love with this, or has a crush on this one girl, Connie Craft. And he finds out that Connie Craft is really interested in the critical race theory club. So he joins the club, not because he cares about critical race theory, but because he's interested in her. And he finds critical race theory boring, but he doesn't really pay much attention to it, because, you know, he's more interested in video games and comic books and, you know,
[00:34:08] and girls basically, like a lot of young people I would imagine. And basically they find out that there's a scholarship competition, and Connie sort of manipulates Will a little, getting him to help her prepare for this competition. And Will also has a friend named J.D., who's extremely skeptical of CRT as well as Connie,
[00:34:36] but joins it anyway because, you know, he wants to, you know, he needs money, he needs to go to, he wants to go to college and have a scholarship. It's a big scholarship. And so the story basically centers around them learning more and more about critical race theory. And at one point, J.D. and Will visit J.D.'s uncle, who is a very old man who was involved with the,
[00:35:02] in an antagonistical way with the Frankfurt School back in the 50s. And he was sort of canceled back then and has been sort of like the black horse of the family ever since. And he sort of sets them straight about what critical theory really is, you know. And when Will gets this information, he has to, you know, he has to tell Connie, you know, he wants to tell her the truth. He doesn't want to just fake it and, you know, continue on with the competition.
[00:35:31] He has to tell her the truth. And that will test their relationship as well. I can go on. You want me to go on? I don't want to give too many spoilers. But basically what it amounts to is that Will ends up having to present Connie's essay at the scholarship competition itself. There's a big event at the university, and he has to go there and present it for her because she's unable to do it.
[00:35:59] And instead of giving her essay, he sort of lets it fly and tells it how it is in front of all the entire college, you know, all the college milieu. And he suffers greatly as a result. It becomes mainstream news. He gets canceled. And, you know, and that's where the No College Club has to step in and help. Now, the No College Club is from the same four characters from the first book. You know, that's what they're there for is basically they're giving an alternative
[00:36:28] to young people who run afoul of political correctness and can't go to college or don't want to go to college. And they give them an alternative to that. And so they contact Will, and then they have to deal with the villains themselves. The stakes get very high at some point. And, you know, I don't want to give away how it ends, but that's basically the setup.
[00:36:53] That is a wonderful ending-free synopsis to the book, and we thank you for that. Folks, if you were just learning about this book, and perhaps you'd missed Spencer's interview with us a couple of years ago when we talked about the first installment in this Now series, sjquinn, Q-U-I-N-N.org, sjquinn.org. You can find these books and more by our guest, Spencer J. Quinn. I would ask you this.
[00:37:20] So, again, and I think we probably covered this the last time you were on, but it's an interesting question, I think, is that so many of our writers talk about, write issue-oriented books. It's a book on a specific topic or a matter of history or historical figure or something that's a current event. And you don't see a lot of fiction in our ranks, but I think it is important for our people to be engaging in the creative arts.
[00:37:48] So what was it about this that inspired you to write young adult fiction novels? Well, you know, I was an unpublished novelist before I started with The Dissident Right back in 2016. In fact, the main reason why I got involved was because I had a novel called White Like You,
[00:38:17] which I wanted to publish, and I knew no mainstream publisher would touch it. So that's how I found Greg Johnson at Countercurrents. And after publishing that, as well as another, I guess, grown-up novel called Charity's Blade with Logik in Sweden, Greg Johnson just said, why don't you try a young adult novel? And I thought about it, and I thought, well, why not?
[00:38:42] And so I just started batting around ideas, and that's how the No College Club came about. I mean, at first it was going to be a historical novel taking place back in the 18th century, and then, you know, it was going to be a ghost story. There was going to be some paranormal stuff. But then eventually I decided to scrap all of that and put it in the here and now.
[00:39:06] And also, you know, I was reading a lot about white indentured servitude at the time. So there is sort of a topic, like an underlying topic in the first book, and that is White Indentured Servitude. It's about these four kids who are doing a project on slavery for their history class, and their black teacher thinks they're going to be doing it on black slavery. But no, no, they do it on white slavery and cause a big ruckus as a result. And the second book, The No College Club, is similar.
[00:39:36] It has an underlying topic, but instead of white servitude, in this case, it's going to be CRT. You know, so there's – I had to – you know, I read White Fragility. I read Abram Kendi and some other books about CRT. And also a lot of the theory that gets batted around these days is in the book. So that's the main topic there. But you're right. It is fiction first and foremost.
[00:40:03] So, you know, you want to – I want people to engage with the characters. I want them to wonder what's going to happen next. I want them to enjoy the book just on a superficial level first and foremost. And then once that's done, once they're able to just get into it and appreciate the characters, both boys and girls, right, then they would – then they can ponder the deeper themes. Well, it is fiction, but it is realistic fiction if that's a genre,
[00:40:30] because I am sure there are countless number of high school and college students who have been faced with scenarios exactly like this. And with that, we will take a pause and remind you to be sure to check out the website of our guest right now, sjquinn.org. You can get the book there. Spencer J. Quinn, our guest. You can also get it through Counter Currents, who is the publisher.
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[00:43:16] That's jquinn.org. That's jquinn.org. Find out more. And by the way, if you subscribe to the Occidental Quarterly, you're going to find out a lot more because Kevin MacDonald did not just write a praiseworthy blurb about this book. He wrote an entire oracle about it, which you can find exclusively in the spring 2025 edition of the Occidental Quarterly.
[00:43:42] I know that because I'm the one who sent them out this week to the subscribers, and I'm happy to work with Kevin in that organization as well. And it was a very good read. I was excited to read it. And we had actually been working to get Spencer on for how long has it been, Spencer, now? About two months. We had out about this book sometime around February, and we were just getting geared up for our March Around the World, which was completely booked up. And so Spencer has been very patient, and we appreciate his time tonight.
[00:44:12] And to be finally able to talk to him about this. Greg Johnson. So with Kevin MacDonald and Greg Johnson, you're getting praise from those guys. You're getting high praise indeed. Greg Johnson writes, like Quinn's first young adult novel, The No College Club, Critical Days deals with high school students who begin to question anti-white racism and are forced to grow up fast when the hammer of political correctness comes down upon them. Quinn creates highly realistic characters. That's what we were talking about a moment ago, what I called realistic fiction,
[00:44:39] struggling with lies, intimidation, conformism, and absurd injustice. As with his first book, this one, Critical Days, has the potential to be a powerful cultural reference point in pro-white circles and beyond. So again, Spencer, we go back to the book. I would ask you this first, though. Again, we talked with Jared in the first half hour of this hour.
[00:45:06] And, I mean, how would you assess the current situation at institutions of higher learning? I mean, you have these young adults who, how can you lead a serious nation into the future? If a man, I mean, Jared is the nicest guy I've ever met. And he's the most reasonable guy I've ever met. And for them to go out and have to paint pictures and ride mechanical bulls and cry together
[00:45:35] in order to have this cathartic exercise to shield them from the trauma that Jared's visit at their campus caused them the last few days, what is your position on should our people go to college at all? I mean, certainly when you're looking at worthless degrees in things like women's studies and things like that, that, you know, you are saddling yourself. If you take out student loans, you're saddling yourself with a house.
[00:46:05] You have a mortgage, but without the house. Okay. And you're not going to be able to apply that into any actual job. Obviously, there are some jobs you have to go to college to have. Doctors, you know, is one obvious example. But what about it? I mean, what about just the future of the up-and-coming generation that are coming out of these universities, not just now, but certainly for some time now, versus things like trade schools, things that people will always need, whether it be mechanics or electricians or things like that?
[00:46:34] Well, you know, I think, I mean, I take a fatalistic approach on this. You know, if you have, if your IQ isn't higher than a certain point, then you won't really be educated in places like the universities. You'll be brainwashed. I mean, they'll basically tell you how to think. They'll establish a system that will establish status, you know,
[00:47:01] and, you know, like the guru phenomenon that Kevin MacDonald talks about. And so, you know, the idea is to be brainwashed into a certain system of morals and to adhere to that to the point where you're competing with everyone else for status. Like, I'm more moral than you. No, I'm more moral than you. Look at me. I'm shaving my head because Jared Taylor is going to speak, you know, that kind of thing. I mean, there's this big competition on who can beat their chest the hardest, you know, and that's, it's all silliness.
[00:47:31] It's, none of it's, none of it's real. None of it's not, it's not really education. But unfortunately, when you're going to have such a high proportion of our population going to college, and that includes like the top end of the bell curve, right, then you're bound to get this, and it's very unfortunate. I personally, you know, I won't, I personally believe that if you're serious about education,
[00:47:57] then you would not send your child to college unless they're in a STEM field or they're majoring in languages, something that's extremely technical, right? That's where I would draw the line. So, you know, if you want to, if you're thinking about anthropology, philosophy, or what have you, sociology, these soft sciences, or as you mentioned, like these useless degrees, like women's studies, communication studies, whatever studies, you know,
[00:48:27] I think that we should just put our feet down and say, no, you're not going, we're not going to pay for that. That's, if you want to study that stuff, you can study it on your own. We'll, you know, we'll buy you the textbooks and you can study it, you know, when you get home from work. I mean, but no, you're not going to go to college full time for that. However, yeah. I was just going to say, I mean, again, just to reiterate, you are saddling yourself with crushing debt that takes, in some cases, decades to pay off, just so you can go because everybody else is doing it.
[00:48:55] I understand there's a degree of peer pressure there because your friends are going to college, you need to go to college and it's just what you're supposed to do when you're 18, 19 years old. But then not being able to get work potentially, I mean, again, doctors, attorneys, things like that, we understand, yes, you're going to have to have some level of higher education. But other than that, well, again, Spencer, continue on. And by the way, as you do continue on, we're talking about other people like Kevin who love this book.
[00:49:21] So it's not entirely limited to an audience of college-aged and high school-aged individuals, but I'm sure those are the people you're trying to reach. Yes. I mean, it's basically anybody aged 14 and older, 13, 14 and older, something like that. I mean, like, it's designed so that it does not have the kind of ambiguity and cruelty that appears in Charity's Blade.
[00:49:49] You know, Charity's Blade, I'm taking on Dostoevsky. I'm trying to write, you know, a great novel that will, you know, that's for grown-ups only, basically, or very, very precocious teenagers. But for the young adult fiction, there's less ambiguity, you know. So I'm not going to be dealing with, like, the four main characters in The No College Club, two boys and two girls, they end up marrying, right?
[00:50:17] So one boy marries one girl, so there's two couples there. The idea of divorce is never going to come up. They're never going to get to the point where, you know, they have to deal with emotional problems, dealing with their marriages and things like that. I mean, I'm not going to go there because that's too ambiguous. You know, instead, we're going to make it on coming of age. We're going to make it dealing with political correctness, dealing with the, you know, the crushing power of the left, identifying as whites, you know, that kind of thing.
[00:50:47] That, to me, is more cut and dry and more appropriate for young adult fiction, right? So that's one important distinction. But, you know, adults can appreciate that as much as kids can. So, you know, there's nothing limited. It's not like, you know, when I read, like, Harry Potter or something, because I had to read Harry Potter to my children, and I'm like, yeah, okay, it's kind of fun. But, you know, I could see how it's kids' stuff. It's not – you know, I can't really engage with it as an adult.
[00:51:16] Whereas with the young adult – I'm sorry, with No College Club series, I want adults to engage with it as well. You know, there's going to be no profanity. There's going to be no crude stuff. There's going to be, you know, minimal violence, but not much. You know, that kind of thing, and really little direct cruelty as well. But grownups can get into that as well as kids can. Another important thing, though, is that the No College Club, although it's titled the No College Club, that's the name of their club,
[00:51:46] they're not saying don't go to college. They're basically saying that we're an alternative for people who can't go to college because they get canceled. If you are on the wrong side of the left, the wrong side of your principal or whoever, they're for you and will give you an alternative to college. And so, like, one of the members is an expert on ancient Greek. Another one is an expert on agriculture. One is an expert on the law.
[00:52:15] The other is an expert on emergency medicine. And so, you know, they just do their best with the subjects they know to teach kids basically about – give them a higher education alternative, essentially. And, of course, they do other things as well, but those are the main thrusts. And if you think about it, these are some of the survival skills that people might need in the future, you know, how to grow your own food, how to defend yourself, how to, you know, manipulate
[00:52:42] or how to deal with the law, right, or how to deal with emergency medicine. If there's ever a crisis, you know, in our society, God forbid, you know, who knows what could happen, but if there's ever a crisis and things get really tribal really fast, as they probably will, you know, like a Lucifer's hammer kind of situation, then these skills will come in real handy real fast. So that's another subtext that goes on in the books.
[00:53:08] Well, certainly I think young adult readers would be able to relate to the situations that are documented in this book in an interesting way. But it is a fun read for all ages. Glowing praise from Kevin MacDonald, Greg Johnson, and many others. The book, again, is Critical Days, and you can get it at sjquinn.org. Spencer, I am at this 30 minutes that's flown by. We have just a few seconds remaining.
[00:53:37] Anything else you'd like to share with the audience? Well, I try to produce an essay a week at CounterCurrents. So it's counter-currents.com. I do write occasionally for Kevin MacDonald at The Occidental Observer. In fact, I'm in the middle of an essay right now for him. Or you can go to my website and check out all the books I've published that also includes Solzhenitsyn on the right, which was published by Antelope Hill a couple years ago.
[00:54:06] And that's basically it. You know, I'm on X. I'm on Gab and Facebook, you know, all the main social media sites as well. Well, we will get this interview over to you as soon as we can get it posted a little bit later. And in the meantime, feel free to use that and share it however you would like. And in the meantime, folks, get the book. These books, this series sustains continued success.
[00:54:33] There will be more, if I'm not mistaken, from Spencer J. Quinn, and we want to make sure that happens. So, again, sjquinn.org. Spencer, thank you for being with us tonight, and I look forward to our next engagement already. Stay tuned for the second one. Thank you very much. I enjoyed it. You're welcome. Thank you.