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[00:00:21] And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host James Edwards
[00:00:31] Ladies and gentlemen the calendar continues
[00:00:34] The News to turn welcome to the first broadcast of September this election year 2024
[00:00:41] Happy birthday dad it's my dad's birthday we spent the day together and yesterday was my brother's birthday
[00:00:48] My younger brother my only sibling and so it's a busy week this first week of September always is in the Edwards family
[00:00:54] And thank god for that
[00:00:56] But work does intrude tonight and
[00:01:00] We have got a veritable variety show for you this evening coming up in the second hour our friend Rick Tyler
[00:01:08] Who gave an eerily prescient?
[00:01:12] Set of predictions on tpcs new year's eve show the last show we did in december
[00:01:19] and
[00:01:21] A lot of what he said has come to pass and he's going to come back on and
[00:01:24] Talk about that as we are now just a couple of months away from the election
[00:01:28] and he's also going to be giving a live report from the field he is at a
[00:01:33] Uh an interesting event in central florida tonight and he's going to be telling us all about it live from the floor
[00:01:39] That's coming up our number two rick tyler and the third hour Keith alexander and i're going to zero in on this week's news and
[00:01:46] Current events that have particularly interested us and we're going to offer our commentary on that but first
[00:01:51] But first
[00:01:53] We are going to bring on warren baylock who's been a real star of the show this year to be sure
[00:01:58] Warren had a very interesting weekend right here in our backyard in west jennesy
[00:02:04] Last week and it was warren. I got to tell you first of all welcome back to the show
[00:02:10] Brother, but i got to tell you just still how ridiculous i feel you're about 40 miles away
[00:02:15] And because of the scheduling and all of that we just couldn't get together
[00:02:19] But i really wanted to be there and i appreciate your understanding but
[00:02:23] Man you had a weekend that i really that's why you're here tonight. I was so interested by it
[00:02:29] I thought the audience might be as well, so we'll start right there and welcome back warren
[00:02:33] Well thanks james and welcome uh, you know appreciate having me back on the show. I uh,
[00:02:39] yeah, I got to say for first of all, thank you for um for
[00:02:45] Pointing me out to
[00:02:47] The places that I went and the the person that I met gene that we're going to talk to here in a second
[00:02:53] was just amazing an absolute font of wisdom. I mean
[00:02:57] We had a we had an incredible day together
[00:02:59] But yeah, I was down in your neck of the woods for a meeting of some some comrades of mine, you know, tennessee is
[00:03:06] There's so many great people in tennessee
[00:03:09] I don't know if it was a private meeting so i won't say more than that but
[00:03:12] Some some people that I knew in the njp and and and others and it was a great meeting my dad and I were both down there for that
[00:03:20] And uh while I was down there. I thought okay. Well, this is a great
[00:03:25] opportunity to
[00:03:26] See some sites i've been you know, i'm a big
[00:03:29] European history guy my focus always has been the third rike and the period leading up to that
[00:03:34] The by-mar period the first rule for the second world war and in the last few years
[00:03:39] I've been getting much more into american history and learning more about the history of this country
[00:03:44] and uh
[00:03:46] so
[00:03:47] I'm taking an interest more in that now my dad always had a real connection to the civil war
[00:03:53] because
[00:03:55] The father of his childhood best friends
[00:03:59] Was a fellow who was a big civil war collector. This was back when you could still get the stuff
[00:04:05] You know on the market
[00:04:07] And he had a huge collection of uniforms and weapons and everything and my dad actually used to play with them
[00:04:13] With his friends when they were kids. They would be out in the woods playing with like real savers and stuff
[00:04:20] But he uh
[00:04:22] And he used to participate in the north south skirmish association, which i'm sure many of your your listeners are familiar with that
[00:04:28] Uh and one time when I was a kid
[00:04:30] I remember we went to the nationals and it was great excitement and it was where they would
[00:04:34] Get dressed up and shoot the two uh competition shooting with the old weapons
[00:04:39] I was never that interested in the united states civil war. I was not I I just I didn't have a link to it
[00:04:46] To me. I I didn't really identify with either side. I'm not a southerner. I'm from pennsylvania
[00:04:51] That's where my family goes way back, but I didn't so I didn't really identify with the south
[00:04:55] I also didn't identify with the union either though because of the cause they were fighting for lincoln and everything
[00:05:00] And I'd always heard it was something, you know northern industrialists fighting a war against the south
[00:05:06] For for reasons other than what they said the free to slave
[00:05:09] So I never really took much of an interest in it, but dad was always very interested in it
[00:05:12] and of course my dad was
[00:05:14] Always admired nathan bedford forest very much. So he named me after forest. My middle name is forest
[00:05:21] And that's why I had always no
[00:05:23] Yeah, so I always knew about forest and my dad
[00:05:26] Named me that partially because not only is his cavalry achievements, but also because of his association with the clan
[00:05:33] um, and uh, so I had always seen his picture on the wall, you know that very striking famous
[00:05:38] Oh, yes photo of him
[00:05:41] and uh
[00:05:42] So so this was you know dad said hey, we're gonna be close to fort pillow
[00:05:46] We should check this out
[00:05:47] So then when I talked to you you said the shilo battlefield is very close to where I was going to be staying
[00:05:51] And uh, I'd always heard the name shilo. I didn't know anything about it
[00:05:56] So I we dad and I the day after our meeting which was the sunday
[00:06:00] We went and we spent the whole day just him and me at shilo
[00:06:04] And dad's exactly like me
[00:06:05] We're the type of people that when we're in a museum or a place like that
[00:06:09] We will stop to read every single plaque every single page, you know
[00:06:13] We really take our time and uh, we were there from about noon to eight o'clock at night when it was getting dark
[00:06:20] And it was a day. I will never forget. I learned all about the battle
[00:06:25] I was right there to it's a you said it was sort of the way getty's burg is the whole battlefield is preserved
[00:06:30] And it was a
[00:06:32] profoundly moving and eerie experience
[00:06:36] and just greatly
[00:06:38] Contributed to my knowledge of the civil war and our history and everything and then it was the next day
[00:06:44] We met up with gene uh, and visited the forest boyhood home. So um, that was the overview
[00:06:50] And if you want me to dive into anything specific I can
[00:06:53] I do I just want to say again
[00:06:56] Our guest our friend our our comrade warren
[00:07:00] forest baylog named
[00:07:02] After the general, uh, even though they were not southerners
[00:07:06] His dad had such an ideological
[00:07:08] Connection with the great general our hero here in the south no doubt about it
[00:07:12] And yeah warren I knew you know, obviously you were going to be down here and
[00:07:15] The gene andrews is right there and can get you that you know backstage pass to the boyhood home
[00:07:21] We're going to be bringing gene on in the next segment
[00:07:23] But yes, I mean going to fort pillow and by the way, you know, we had gene lead a tour
[00:07:26] We did a chartered bus up to fort pillow for some tpc
[00:07:30] Friends and donors a a few years back and uh, I mean that was something that was a day
[00:07:35] Certainly, I will never forget for a lot of reasons
[00:07:37] But knowing exactly what part of west tennessee you were going to be in last week
[00:07:41] I knew that fort pillow was too far in the wrong direction for you to you know be heading back to pennsylvania
[00:07:46] Shiloh was much closer in the boyhood home on your way home. And so that made a little more sense to me and
[00:07:51] I appreciate that you know you
[00:07:55] Considered what I had to say and that it turned out to be a memorable day
[00:07:59] For you and your father to share because as a son who
[00:08:02] Loves his father my dad turned 70 today. I mean those days. Yeah, happy birthday to your dad
[00:08:08] Happy birthday to your father. He's listening if we have one listener every week. It's him
[00:08:12] But uh, tell us and we're gonna keep him at this conversation
[00:08:15] We're gonna bring a gene into this conversation
[00:08:17] But being at Shiloh, which is you know really one of the most pivotal one of the biggest one of the most well-known battles in the whole
[00:08:25] War if not at the very least the western theater
[00:08:28] What was it about Shiloh that struck you being a first-time visitor?
[00:08:32] Well three things first of all, uh, learning about how it was the first of the really big battles of the civil war how prior to that point
[00:08:41] There hadn't been a gigantic
[00:08:44] You know, I'm big into napoleonic history and there hadn't been that type of battle in america yet
[00:08:50] Where two huge armies come together and then fight for two days and there's massive casualties
[00:08:57] I think there was 110,000 guys
[00:08:59] involved on both sides and 20 some thousand casualties
[00:09:03] Like three four thousand killed in the battle
[00:09:06] Um, and and it was something that americans had never experienced before ever
[00:09:11] And it was the bloodiest battle in the whole history of this continent
[00:09:16] North america up to that time now, you know the next few years sadly would see much bloodier battles
[00:09:21] And I think Shiloh ranks like fifth or sixth now or maybe even seventh in the order of battles
[00:09:27] Of bloodiest battles of the civil war, but just that uh, there's a great video in the museum
[00:09:32] It's a tiny little museum there, but it's a great video showing describing the whole background of the battle
[00:09:38] then the
[00:09:38] Second thing that really struck me was being in all the places where the heaviest fighting was because the battlefield is
[00:09:44] Filled with these plaques the confederate monument there is beautiful
[00:09:49] And there's this section they called it the hornet's nest where there was the heaviest fighting
[00:09:54] Where the confederates actually
[00:09:56] Got a union group to surrender
[00:09:59] But thousands of guys fighting in these woods and it's just so strange and eerie to be there with my dad
[00:10:06] Us just walking these, you know, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful preserved area, but there's just the sense of
[00:10:12] What took place there?
[00:10:14] another place was this mississippi regimen the
[00:10:17] Yes, it was the fighting sixth where they charged into a into a union
[00:10:23] a federal clicker crossfire and
[00:10:28] Out of 450 guys, I think 300 fell in this crossfire and I was at that spot right as it was dust
[00:10:35] Had sort of a strange experience. I'm not someone that believes in ghosts and things like that
[00:10:39] But there was this kind of eerie moment where where there was mist rising from the ground in the exact spot
[00:10:44] I'm looking at the plaque when the exact spot where these guys fell hold on right there rising
[00:10:50] Hold on right there. That is a great place to push pause to continue this with warren ray log
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[00:13:10] Hey, you may be asking yourself ladies and gentlemen james
[00:13:13] It's september the election is two months away. You're talking about shilo
[00:13:18] this
[00:13:20] Is important
[00:13:22] Conversations like this are important for a lot of reasons because as we say again you have to be rooted to the eternal
[00:13:27] What are we fighting for for not fighting for our ancestors and our heroes?
[00:13:31] And as I always say our past our present and our future we fight for it all
[00:13:34] And yes, we do have
[00:13:37] confederate history month april is
[00:13:40] heavily dedicated to all things southern here on this program it always has been but this is a
[00:13:45] foundational pillar of this show talking about
[00:13:48] Our southern heritage talking certainly about our racial patrimony
[00:13:52] as whites worldwide
[00:13:55] And all of the other stuff and all of the other issues that make this show exactly what it is
[00:13:58] But when I heard that two of our favorite guests were together
[00:14:03] And I heard warren tell me a little bit about it over some voicemails and some text and I talked to gene on the phone
[00:14:10] And they were just you know fusive with their
[00:14:15] Experience on that weekend. I said guys, you know, I think if i'm enjoying listening to the tale this much
[00:14:20] I think the audience will too and it is important for everyone to understand and to know and to realize and to remember
[00:14:26] that
[00:14:28] We're real men we have
[00:14:31] Real things that we are fighting for much more real than what our
[00:14:34] Enemies are fighting for and we are fighting for our people not ideals or principles but for our very flesh and blood kinsmen
[00:14:42] And we enjoy each other's company. We go out and we do things that are healthy and wholesome activities
[00:14:47] We spend time with our family and our friends and
[00:14:50] One i'm going to let keith ask question
[00:14:52] They're going to bring gene on but yes, you mentioned the missipi monument there
[00:14:55] It was almost 100 casualty rate
[00:14:57] For that particular unit and that was the very last monument to get put up some of these southern states
[00:15:03] Where you know never had the money
[00:15:06] But uh to put monuments up the missipi monument only went up very recently
[00:15:10] I think within the last
[00:15:11] Couple of years and then there was a beautiful confederate monument that you mentioned and uh,
[00:15:15] United States senator it went up in the early 2000s and senator marsha blackburn actually was there for the ribbon cutting if
[00:15:20] You can believe that and uh, but that is a it is a majestic battlefield
[00:15:25] I don't know if that's the right adjective. I mean it's a tragic battlefield obviously
[00:15:28] But you certainly will feel something when you move when you go there
[00:15:32] It will move you and i was last i've been there many times
[00:15:36] I was last there year before last and and of course we always have a great reflective time going there
[00:15:42] If i might just finish uh what i was talking about for the break
[00:15:45] Yes after after that after that spot because right near where that spot was
[00:15:50] There's a there's a series of confederate mass graves. Um, you know that are just basically trenches
[00:15:57] Uh where guys were buried so you know, I we were thinking as some of those guys died there
[00:16:01] And then I had read the night before
[00:16:04] About because I read as much as I could about the battle and about forest roll in the battle and everything right before
[00:16:09] We went there the night before and uh
[00:16:11] I read about
[00:16:12] A man that I had never um
[00:16:14] Known about I didn't even know his name
[00:16:17] Albert Sydney johnston who was the highest ranking
[00:16:22] American officer ever killed on the battlefield
[00:16:24] And I had read about his death in battle and how he you know, he was a
[00:16:30] Very bold plan actually caught Grant and Sherman by surprise with this attack
[00:16:36] Um launched this bold attack on them on the morning of um was it I think april uh sixth I believe
[00:16:43] um
[00:16:45] of
[00:16:47] 1862 and uh
[00:16:48] just a
[00:16:50] great man a noble man a great general and um died
[00:16:54] from a bullet that
[00:16:56] Hit an artery. He must have just winged him, but it hit an artery in his leg
[00:17:00] He didn't even I don't think realize he was hit and but his boot filled up with blood and he's you know
[00:17:04] Teetering on his horse and I read the story. It's a very moving story about how his
[00:17:08] his uh
[00:17:09] His aides got him off his horse and they carried him off and he died
[00:17:14] Shortly after that so we looked at the whole battlefield and we were running out of time james
[00:17:19] You know, that's the way it is with my dad
[00:17:23] Yeah, we were running out of time and it was they said that they you know the park closes its sunset
[00:17:28] It was past sunset. It was dark. There was mist everywhere
[00:17:31] The sun had gone down. There was just a thin little trail of light on the horizon left
[00:17:37] And uh, I said to dad we got to see the spot where he where he died before we before we leave
[00:17:42] So we're going through the park. There's no one in the park. It's just us and it's like a haunted woods at this point
[00:17:48] I mean, it's just a black dark woods
[00:17:50] And we found the spot and there's this beautiful plaque
[00:17:53] And then it said there's a path down in the woods in this ravine where he actually died
[00:17:58] So I had to use my cell phone uh flashlight to see because we're so we're in the woods at night
[00:18:03] And we went down and there's the spot where he died. It was just it was a profoundly moving
[00:18:10] experience and uh
[00:18:12] Yeah, and then and then earlier seeing the union graves because there's a huge cemetery with like 500 guys
[00:18:18] I said to dad it's it's weird. You know, you get a strange feeling when you're if you're in a house or a thing where a
[00:18:23] Murder took place. It's not like a place where someone just died of natural causes
[00:18:28] But where someone was killed
[00:18:30] If you've ever been in a house or in a spot where someone was killed, there's a strange feeling
[00:18:35] When you're in this cemetery
[00:18:36] Every single one of these guys died a violent death
[00:18:40] Um, I'm just not used to being in a place like that and I one thought I had was
[00:18:44] I wonder if these can fit the union troops the federal troops these 500 or so guys buried here
[00:18:51] If you could bring them back today and turn on the television and show them the ads that are on tv show them
[00:18:58] Here we go happening to their country
[00:19:01] The flag that the same flag that they fought under that they died for
[00:19:06] What's happening under that flag today? What would they say? What would they think?
[00:19:11] Um, but yeah, it was a tremendous experience and I want to thank you dad and I both we saw each other the next day
[00:19:16] Or have you you know, we came back and then we saw each other like the night and he felt
[00:19:20] He was still sort of moved by the whole thing and of course our next day with gene which we can talk about
[00:19:25] But it was just it was amazing. It was an amazing
[00:19:28] trip
[00:19:29] I want to thank you warren for that
[00:19:32] Testimony, I don't know what other word to use to describe it but for sharing that
[00:19:36] Keith a quick question for warren then we got to get to gene. We're very late for gene
[00:19:39] We always want to be the ones waiting on gene. We never want gene to wait for us one quick question though
[00:19:44] Okay, uh, warren good to talk with you by the way, and it's uh, I'm glad you got to see shiloh
[00:19:49] your namesake
[00:19:52] Paid a pivotal role that didn't really happen
[00:19:56] He got behind the enemy lines and was asking for permission from borough guard who took
[00:20:03] Albert sydney johnson's place as
[00:20:06] Guy the confederate in charge and asked him for more troops so he could capture
[00:20:11] Pittsburgh landing and if he had captured Pittsburgh landing he would have prevented union general
[00:20:18] uh, don carlos buell's troops from uh
[00:20:21] Uh, you know landing and the confederates probably would have won the battle and see that's that's uh,
[00:20:29] Uh, something that's repeated throughout forest
[00:20:33] Life as a soldier in the confederacy. He was
[00:20:36] Always having great ideas, but didn't have the authority to carry them out
[00:20:40] Well, I think that's right. Something happened in chikamalga
[00:20:43] I think gene andrews who is for my money and I told warren this probably the greatest living
[00:20:48] Forest historian in the world gene would you agree and uh, I would ask you two questions number one
[00:20:54] What did you think of warren's uh, introduction here for this hour and his time at shiloh?
[00:20:59] We'll get into the time that y'all spent together at the boyhood home in the next segment
[00:21:02] But uh your response anything you heard warren say and also
[00:21:06] Uh, does the war turn out differently if force could have just had his way running it
[00:21:12] Well, I do have to disagree with you on one thing
[00:21:15] I don't know about that gene andrews being the greatest forest historian
[00:21:18] I I would have to disagree with you on that. I don't know about that
[00:21:22] So far the program's been great up to that point
[00:21:25] No
[00:21:27] no, uh
[00:21:28] That uh, I'm appreciate allowing me to be on with warren. We had such a great time
[00:21:33] With with warren and his dad. It was just a tremendous day the next day
[00:21:38] Like actually labor day when we went over to chapel hill in the first home
[00:21:42] But uh back to your question
[00:21:45] There were so many times that forest advised his commander on the field
[00:21:50] About the course of action that he thought should be taken. He was ignored because he wasn't west point graduate
[00:21:56] And so these other hot shot professionals, you know just ignored this guy
[00:22:01] And we wound up losing at shiloh at fort donelson. It didn't finish off the federal army at chikamaga and
[00:22:09] There's a great book on forest called bust hell wide open by dr. Samuel mitchum from louisiana
[00:22:15] And in his introduction, he says in the western theater of the war
[00:22:19] The professionally trained west point generals hardly ever won while forest the untrained amateur hardly ever lost
[00:22:27] And that's exactly that that wasn't because he had some and he didn't have superior numbers
[00:22:32] Contributing to his wins. No never did never did and and actually during the war in august of 63
[00:22:38] He wrote to president that while he wrote to samuel cooper first adjunct in general with a plan to stop
[00:22:45] The invasion of grant and sherman and and he had proved it. He had done it before
[00:22:49] Forest was the only general in the confederacy that had defeated grant sherman bill and rosecrans
[00:22:57] Nobody had that kind of record
[00:22:59] And he never fought him head to head
[00:23:01] He simply just swung around behind him cut their supply lines and grant retreated
[00:23:06] From an overland route to vicksburg back to memphis
[00:23:09] Sherman retreated from his attempt to take selma alabama and went scurrying back to vicksburg
[00:23:14] And then he stopped buil and rosecrans before they could get to chattanooga and cut the railroad line there
[00:23:20] I know war you it wasn't theory. It it wasn't theory. He proved it would work
[00:23:25] He proved it
[00:23:26] He proved it in practice and war and I know that you know this and i'm sure you and gene probably even talked about it
[00:23:30] But this was the man who had no military training. I mean not only did he not go to west point
[00:23:34] He didn't go anywhere
[00:23:34] He was a private citizen and he became the greatest tactician in the history of global warfare
[00:23:39] Instinctive fighter
[00:23:40] He's a guy you want on your side if you were in the battle of uh, getty's burr or in a bar room brawl
[00:23:46] Yeah, I
[00:23:47] You know
[00:23:48] On the field of shiloh, I mean he basically and gene you can uh
[00:23:53] Correct me if I'm wrong on this but he he basically um
[00:23:57] Was responsible for the rear guard and and prevented them from the union army from following up
[00:24:03] Because he he attacked and got very close to uh
[00:24:07] Actually coming to contact directly with sherman, which boy would that have been wonderful?
[00:24:12] I tell you what sherman never you know what sherman said about forest
[00:24:17] Uh, very famously. I mean he recognized forest as the
[00:24:22] You know greatest leader of either side of the of the war and that was sherman that he would have good versus evil
[00:24:28] The clash it was a great film that would have made you know, I mean that's really like a
[00:24:34] Hero versus an absolute villain of history. I want to pick it up. You're absolutely right
[00:24:40] I want to pick it up right there very quickly when we come back with gene andrews and warren baylock
[00:24:46] We're talking about the time they spent together
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[00:30:10] I was telling our friends in the break. I
[00:30:14] This is an hour that I just could do all night long
[00:30:17] I'm so passionate about this topic. I it's it's emotional
[00:30:22] and
[00:30:23] it's
[00:30:24] something that is a
[00:30:26] A core part of
[00:30:28] Not just my identity as a southerner, but you know part of the dna of this of this program
[00:30:34] We will get to current events. We will get to other things
[00:30:37] In hours two and three rick tyler standing by in orlando from a very special event
[00:30:42] He'll be reporting live from the scene and in the third hour key the night. We've got all the news that is news this week
[00:30:48] We're going to be offering commentary on that so we will get to those current events and the headlines but
[00:30:52] Continuing right now with a very special
[00:30:56] installation of an hour focused on the south with warren baylog and gene andrews
[00:31:02] Gene warren was talking about the
[00:31:06] Fallen timbers action when we ran up to the wall of that last
[00:31:11] segment and
[00:31:12] This was something this is actually one of the most interesting things of the entire
[00:31:16] Well, he actually if it's a shy let's one of the things that forest excelled at was covering retreats. Unfortunately if he had been given more authority
[00:31:24] They would have been retreating. They wouldn't have been retreating. Yeah, but brachston bragg and then
[00:31:29] borrgaard
[00:31:31] Both undercut him well that could have definitely looked that was a very I mean I like you could say there's about a lot of them
[00:31:36] They turned on a night on a razor's edge on a knife's edge
[00:31:39] That was a very winnable battle and if uh, if we win that battle, you know the union doesn't gain control of the mississippi valley
[00:31:45] And it's a totally different ballgame and bill's army would have been on the other side of the tennessee river and being on the other side of the tennessee river
[00:31:51] They couldn't have effectively reinforced
[00:31:54] Grant and sherman and grant and sherman would probably have lost. I know one thing for sure
[00:32:00] My great great great grandfather was on the field that day, and i'm probably not the only one
[00:32:05] Yeah, I was gonna say that. I don't know anyone who could say it. I had two colorful names
[00:32:10] Ies, alexander independence ellen schuler alexander and his brother president washington alexander
[00:32:16] You know there was a there was a general out of south carolina named states rights
[00:32:20] That was his name states rights gist was his name
[00:32:23] And so they think they had some great names back then but gene tell us just 60 seconds on the fallen timbers maneuver
[00:32:29] Forest was injured there and he was basically taking on a whole platoon of of yankees pretty much by himself
[00:32:37] Well, he was and warren gave us a headline on that or gave us an introduction to that
[00:32:43] And and like y'all said forest was recovering covering the retreat of the confederate army heading from shallow back down to carth
[00:32:49] Mississippi and he saw the federal army get into
[00:32:53] Sticky place at a swampy area called fallen timbers and there were a lot of stumps and trees
[00:33:00] Different sized trees that have been cut down because they cut the trees there for timber for
[00:33:06] Iron furnaces and so it was a pretty rough area
[00:33:09] And he saw this union regiment trying to cross this swampy area and he thought well
[00:33:14] This is a great time to take them out and
[00:33:17] Gained a little time for the wagon train back behind us there to get on further down the road
[00:33:20] So he hoarded his uh
[00:33:23] Battalion there's only 600 men. He was just a lieutenant colonel then and so he ordered them to charge and they did they overran
[00:33:31] The skirmishers out in front and came up over a hill
[00:33:35] They scattered them and came up over hill and here was a whole regiment drawn up across the road on either side of the
[00:33:40] Road and the soldiers that were with him they reigned in their horses
[00:33:44] They go whoa, that's more than we bargained for
[00:33:46] And farce he never slowed up
[00:33:49] He just kept going road right through him got in behind him and then all of a sudden he realized there's nobody else with him
[00:33:55] He was surrounded
[00:33:56] So he's slashing with his sword firing with his pistol and trying to cut his way out of there and get back to the confederate lines
[00:34:02] And he had a shot at william t Sherman
[00:34:05] And had farce pistol not misfired the cap didn't go off
[00:34:09] And that's what you had to have back then, you know a little percussion cap on each one of the cylinders on a pit
[00:34:14] No, man this pistol and that's what you say. You're gonna pop a cap on somebody
[00:34:18] That's what it meant to shoot somebody back then
[00:34:20] So the cap didn't fire and otherwise we would never heard of billy the torch Sherman
[00:34:26] The rest of the war
[00:34:27] So farce got wounded a soldier ran up to him put his rifle up against his hip and fired and shot him right through the hip
[00:34:34] And but he was it was so rough that it couldn't anybody they were trying to grab the reins of his horse
[00:34:39] And everything to try to pull him off of there he fought his way out and got back to the confederate lines
[00:34:44] And then they just mad at
[00:34:46] What about that story about him grabbing a soldier by the scruff of the neck and throwing him over
[00:34:51] We've all heard that he's and uh, there a couple of historians dr. Michael bradley that taught at montelow state university said
[00:34:59] That is one of the many many stories that have come up about for us that he actually grabbed a union soldier and yanked him up behind
[00:35:07] Sort of as a human body shield or human
[00:35:12] Bulletproof vest they're behind him and rode back, but there there really aren't any accurate
[00:35:18] descriptions of that
[00:35:19] From any of the historians that there at the time and he and dr. Bradley said it's not in jordan and priors history of
[00:35:27] Forest campaigns and that's the only book that was written about for us
[00:35:30] Well while he was still alive and he proof read that book to make sure that everything
[00:35:35] I think there's a part in uh
[00:35:37] Excuse me, you know, I think there's a part in total recall where arnold schwarzeninger grabs a guy and
[00:35:41] Pulled that move. Maybe he learned it from forest when they're shooting at him
[00:35:45] a guy
[00:35:48] Story that is as
[00:35:50] Hung on forest and there's so many stories about forest and some of the things that he actually did do
[00:35:57] Then there's something like that is is not that impossible to believe. I mean, you know, he was a strong man
[00:36:02] And you know how your gen
[00:36:05] Adrenaline is flowing when you're getting a situation like that. He could have done it. There's no doubt about that
[00:36:11] Let's that was a possibility
[00:36:13] You know, actually when he was injured he recuperated at a home near nashville
[00:36:17] That was bought by one of the everly brothers and the everly brother. I can't remember if it was phil
[00:36:22] It was phil everly
[00:36:24] He said he bought it because forest recuperated there and that uh, he thought there would be a song in there
[00:36:30] So, you know, it's more history in columbia
[00:36:33] More history
[00:36:33] Uh the way on down the road there
[00:36:36] But here are some facts about nathan bedford forest. Here are some facts
[00:36:41] That we know for sure
[00:36:43] Became a self-made millionaire despite being born into poverty. He had no formal education rose to that level of success
[00:36:49] He invested
[00:36:50] A great deal to say the least of his personal fortune to aid the confederate cause would be like a
[00:36:54] You know a guy like fred smith today just giving away his fortune to aid of cause
[00:36:57] We never do that. No titan of industry would do that today
[00:37:00] He did it and despite being one of the wealthiest men in the south
[00:37:03] He enlisted as a soldier of the lowest rank a private to further serve his country the confederate states of america
[00:37:09] And as a major planner, he was actually legally exempted from even having to serve at all
[00:37:13] But he chose to serve anyway and as a soldier of the lowest rank
[00:37:17] He had no formal military training
[00:37:19] But he went on to become the greatest tactician in the history of mobile warfare
[00:37:23] Retired as a lieutenant general his maneuvers are still studied today
[00:37:26] Personally killed 30 enemy combatants worn. That is a man's man and you know those exploits, you know those all of that actually did happen
[00:37:36] And and it rivals i think that of mythological figures
[00:37:40] He is worthy of our respect our remembrance. He is worthy of middle names
[00:37:43] That this these are the people this is the man we need to emulate going forward
[00:37:50] absolutely and
[00:37:51] You know just reading his because I have a book that um, I brought with me there
[00:37:56] called first with the most by
[00:37:59] Robert henry and
[00:38:01] This book is one that my mom got for my dad many many years ago 1991. She's inscribed on it when she got it for him
[00:38:09] And uh, I actually had gene sign it
[00:38:12] When we were at the at the boyhood home and dated, which was really nice, but I was I've never read the book
[00:38:18] I was reading I was trying to get the whole thing read before we went there and uh,
[00:38:21] It was just so busy with traveling and so I'm picking my way through it
[00:38:25] And I was reading some of it aloud to dad while we were driving, you know, my father's a
[00:38:29] Truck driver had been an over-the-road driver for decades. So he's whenever we take these long road trips
[00:38:34] He just he just gets in the in the driver's seat and I you know, I talk for a living
[00:38:38] So I can just read stuff and we talk
[00:38:41] It's good. We have a good thing going on but I was reading him just about we were reading about forest's boyhood
[00:38:47] And up to you know, because he didn't he didn't really get
[00:38:51] See active service. I mean till he was in his 40s
[00:38:55] so, um
[00:38:56] We were reading about his whole early life and this guy had a life that was I mean a real frontier life hardship
[00:39:04] Unbelievable hardship, you know that if someone today just lived his peacetime life
[00:39:10] Up to even before he got into business even up to his like 20th or 25th year
[00:39:16] It would be no one lives like that in america today. No one was like that in the world
[00:39:20] I mean you would be hard-pressed you'd have to go to like gaza right now to find someone that lives as as
[00:39:25] tough of a life
[00:39:27] As he lived, uh, you know bearing siblings bearing
[00:39:32] Children bear, you know just uh fought a fought a
[00:39:36] Basically a duel. I mean gene could tell you the details with some some guys that killed his uncle
[00:39:42] I mean just frontier stuff
[00:39:44] like you can't believe
[00:39:47] And uh, just an incredibly tough hard man from a hard time
[00:39:51] But also a natural genius
[00:39:55] Just an absolute genius and a and a born leader of men. So yeah an amazing character
[00:40:00] I have a new appreciation of him and to visit the home with gene
[00:40:04] I gotta say gene we haven't really talked since that day. I meant I've been meaning to text you all week
[00:40:08] I've been very busy, but
[00:40:10] I
[00:40:11] was as moved by being in the place where forest was
[00:40:16] And as I was
[00:40:19] As much if not more moved by the fact that it has been so well preserved that such a fine gentleman like yourself is
[00:40:28] They are dedicating your life to preserving it to keeping it going every gene told us
[00:40:33] James about all the work that the you know sons of the confederate veterans
[00:40:37] And the various people that have contributed and helped to preserve this
[00:40:42] Um to keep it going and and just I I got a sense in
[00:40:47] That on that day
[00:40:50] Then you all in the south have a a blood and soil connection
[00:40:55] That is to your land that is just something that the rest of the united states
[00:40:59] It's it's it's hard for us to understand. It's something that you have to kind of go to europe to find it
[00:41:06] Um because all the rest of america, I think the population has been more mixed up
[00:41:11] We were joking gene was joking a little bit how air conditioning is what allowed the yankees to like
[00:41:17] You know colonize the
[00:41:20] It's rough in the summer down here now. I'm not gonna kid you
[00:41:23] But I mean it's rough you're you talking about your you're you talking about where your folks come from james and how
[00:41:29] How far back your people go in that sort of southwest corner of tennessee and the fact that you had
[00:41:36] Family northern mississippi. Yeah shilo
[00:41:38] Yeah, that that is just not something most americans in the in the yankee in the north or anywhere else
[00:41:44] Most americans don't have that that blood and soil connection again as a as a national socialist
[00:41:50] That's how I interpret it, you know, it's a very deep deep thing and it's wonderful to see
[00:41:55] Just the fact that folks have
[00:41:58] Ever since that war have been dedicated
[00:42:01] There's like a the sense I got actually gene when we were in that room where you have all the pictures where there's all the photos of forest
[00:42:09] I felt like I was in the inner sanctum
[00:42:11] of a
[00:42:13] Sort of underground a strain of like an underground
[00:42:19] Southern something keeping it alive that there's just men and women who have been keeping this alive ever since the civil war
[00:42:25] Hold on right there ward in gene. I I want to say this very quickly
[00:42:30] First of all just going back to forest again. You cannot overstate this he personally killed
[00:42:36] 31 or 30 over 30 at least 30 enemy combatants if every confederate soldier could have gone 30 and 0
[00:42:43] You know, that's a different
[00:42:45] That's a different dynamic, but I want to read the inscription on forest
[00:42:48] He was an excellent private as well as an excellent general
[00:42:52] He was excellent at everything he ever did and he it was the living embodiment of a man's man
[00:42:57] Those hoof beats die not upon fame's crimson side but will ring through her song in her story
[00:43:04] He fought like a titan and struck like a god and his dust is our ashes of glory that
[00:43:11] Is that on his statue on the base? That's that's the poem
[00:43:16] That's worthy of someone not like as michael hill called it that dog a roll that's uh emilazareth
[00:43:21] On the statue of liberty give us your huddle masses
[00:43:25] wretched refuse which is exactly what we got
[00:43:29] But the the thing is
[00:43:33] You know gene, uh, I echo everything warren said about you brother
[00:43:37] I mean what you've done there at the forest home all these years day in day out toiling in that vineyard
[00:43:43] But I gotta say again one of the memories of my life that I will never forget is standing
[00:43:48] I'm how far away from you am I right now keith
[00:43:52] Five feet five feet maybe five feet. I was five feet
[00:43:55] Maybe less than that from
[00:43:57] Nathan bedford forest casket the casket that carried his remains gene was a pallbearer for the
[00:44:04] Reinterment yes indeed and to have been right there in that home where warren was
[00:44:09] Last week it's incredible warren. I want to ask you this let me tell warren one thing first go ahead get off of it
[00:44:15] Another thing on albert sydney johnson. He was the secretary of war for the republic of texas in that period of time between
[00:44:23] 1836 and they were admitted to the union
[00:44:26] Yeah, yep an amazing career these guys were just uh, you know
[00:44:31] What if the movie called gods and generals i've never seen it but you got the list you gotta watch that
[00:44:37] There's a little bit of a sappy narrative, you know some parts
[00:44:41] I love that movie and I tell you this
[00:44:46] I'm sorry to interrupt you but I made Emily watch gone with the wind with me when we came back
[00:44:51] And it was funny because that film is so it's such a powerful now
[00:44:55] I see it as you know what gene was talking about in the first hour
[00:44:58] I see it as okay like the air force base or the the military base naming. I'm like all right in 1939
[00:45:05] You know jews and ollywood are very keen to suddenly now
[00:45:09] It's all of the lost cause, you know, and then as soon as the war's over then it goes back to the southerners being devils
[00:45:15] But uh, yeah, that's right. That's right
[00:45:18] It's funny in that film though, which is really a work of art. I mean, it's a masterpiece the way they show
[00:45:25] Reconstruction, uh
[00:45:26] You know there's a lot of it truth to it. I one of the things I did was I cleaned out
[00:45:31] That's why I don't show that movie anymore. That's why that movie is banned. Yeah another great movie is uh
[00:45:36] Yeah, warren. There's another great movie that I want to recommend to you santa fe trail with arolyn and ronald rake
[00:45:44] I
[00:45:48] Actually for the portrayal of john brown
[00:45:50] I said gene you gotta watch santa fe trail for how they show john brown in that movie. Anyway, i'm sorry james
[00:45:56] Go ahead. No, no, no, no
[00:45:57] Listen guys
[00:45:58] I mean the whole thing is i'm about three segments behind tonight because everything's been so riveting to me
[00:46:03] That I couldn't fast forward and I want to talk a little bit more about y'all's experience at the forest home
[00:46:08] We actually skipped a break there to buy more time and we're already running out of it again
[00:46:11] We only have about six minutes left, but I will say do watch gods and generals
[00:46:15] You can you can buy it on youtube for like three bucks. You can stream it
[00:46:19] um
[00:46:20] Robert duval is great as robert ealy, but there's a jewish guy from new york steven lang who
[00:46:25] absolutely
[00:46:27] nails
[00:46:28] Uh stonewall jackson in a way that you could never believe and he said in studying stonewall jackson he became
[00:46:35] A believer in the southern cause and this is jewish guy from new york steven lang great character actor
[00:46:39] He played eich clanton in the movie tombstone with
[00:46:42] Exactly who he is. Yeah, yeah, he is a fantastic actor and and I don't think stonewall jackson could have played stonewall jackson better
[00:46:50] Then he did in that movie. You've got to watch gods and generals. Please watch it before I see you in a few days
[00:46:55] But anyway, uh, let's let's go back now to the boyhood home
[00:46:58] So you're you're there with your father warren and you're there with gene and by the way
[00:47:01] I got to tell you when I told gene that you know, do you remember warren baylog from
[00:47:06] Our event in south canola boy. Do I ever you know?
[00:47:09] I loved his speech and this that and the other and gene always speaks at all of our conferences
[00:47:14] But he didn't at this one. We always have our conferences in tennessee
[00:47:17] And we were thankful to have gene as a vip guest of honor
[00:47:21] But nevertheless, he remembered your speech and when I said y'all were coming
[00:47:25] Anyway, the rest of this for y'all got together. You're there at the boyhood home gene
[00:47:29] What did you tell him? What did you show him? How did you do it? What was that day like?
[00:47:33] Let's fast forward pass shiloh to the day at the boyhood
[00:47:35] For for getting me together with warren and his father. They're just super super great people
[00:47:40] And first thing we meant for lunch about 12 30
[00:47:43] And we were just going to eat lunch and zip over to the forest home about 30 minutes away
[00:47:47] We were there for two hours for lunch telling stories and laughing and carrying on
[00:47:52] Y'all found out y'all at charlottesville together. You didn't know you're at charlottesville together
[00:47:56] We were combatants at charlottesville. Yes, we were and we even and took a picture when we got over to the forest home
[00:48:03] Standing on the hearth
[00:48:05] Where general forest casket was when we when they had that visitation as as combat was there from charlottesville
[00:48:12] So too bad that we didn't have general forest there at charlottesville
[00:48:16] Yeah, well, it had been a different story. They had cleaned out all the antifas in the black lives
[00:48:21] Don't matter the blacks. We'd have gotten rid of that
[00:48:24] So we then we drove over to the forest home and and let them take their time coming up the driveway and stop at the
[00:48:30] Monuments and take pictures and then went to the home itself and and forest wasn't born in this home
[00:48:36] He was born over in the little town frontier town of chapel hill
[00:48:39] But when it was nine his father bought this house from the mayfields
[00:48:43] The mayfields who actually built it and moved the family out there from chapel hill
[00:48:47] And they only lived there for three years from 1830 to 1833 and then they moved down to northern mississippi
[00:48:53] And then the rest as they say is history down there
[00:48:56] But we certainly had a great time
[00:48:58] and talking about forest and some of the things that he did during the war and
[00:49:02] Getting rid of some of the myths and lies and propaganda that have been dumped on forest down through the years about
[00:49:08] The so-called massacre of the black troops at fort pilla, which is a line war propaganda
[00:49:14] And then that he started the klu Klux Klan
[00:49:16] I said no the clan was started just down the road from us down in pilaski, tennessee
[00:49:21] And forest was living in memphis then and i always asked these forest critics if he was in memphis and the clan was in pilaski
[00:49:27] How'd he start the clan?
[00:49:29] What do you spotted al gore's internet that he claimed to be invented and then started it all the way from memphis
[00:49:34] To pilaski
[00:49:35] So you know it I think it was a good day to to have history
[00:49:40] And like warren was talking about just feel that presence
[00:49:43] Of being there and almost like being on holy ground
[00:49:47] To walk on the on the floor and the front porch and the sidewalk and the things where forest was and where he grew up
[00:49:54] And where he came back there during the war
[00:49:57] After the battle of murphys borough the confederate army fell back to a line along the duck river
[00:50:01] And forest was stationed over in columbia and so he came through there to recruit and feed his troops
[00:50:07] And he had a cousin that had a mill down on the duck river so you get corn ground for corn meal
[00:50:12] And so he spent a lot of time in that area even during the war
[00:50:16] So I was so glad that that they got to come there and see that
[00:50:20] And I hope they enjoyed the time that we took there and I as usual talked too much and made them late
[00:50:26] On leaving and getting on the road back up to west virginia, but I was glad they got to come
[00:50:30] Well, we got home around we got home around 3 a.m
[00:50:33] It was fine. We just drank a bunch of coffee now dad dad
[00:50:36] That's typical for you guys
[00:50:38] When we were driving back, uh gene dad was just like, you know, this was just one of those days where you got to just take the time
[00:50:46] You know
[00:50:46] I mean you're there and you're not there with other tourists gene's giving you a private viewing of this home
[00:50:53] Where one of the most iconic figures in american history, you know spent part of his life
[00:50:59] He was right there. This wasn't an approximation. That was where he was and one of the real experts on forest was your personal guy
[00:51:05] That's exactly right now warren. I got we got two minutes left. I gotta ask you this
[00:51:08] I gotta ask you this uh, why is this hour important with all the things going on when an election year
[00:51:14] It's all coming up. We're on the home stretch
[00:51:16] Why is it important to present this hour on the radio? Answer that and then also
[00:51:21] I believe and I don't know if it was you or gene who told me this
[00:51:23] But that you were fascinated by the fact that a that an officer would have taken the fort pillow action
[00:51:30] On behalf of the defense of the women's civilians and those two questions to you. Yeah
[00:51:35] Yeah, no that that well I
[00:51:37] I listened to your segment
[00:51:39] You recommended we listened to that on the way down where gene told the story of fort pillow
[00:51:43] And I didn't realize that it really he took it to
[00:51:47] You know, why would cavalry attack a fort? It just didn't make any sense and and uh, and he didn't need to attack it
[00:51:53] It wasn't part of some larger strategy and that's something conveniently left out of the horror stories about fort pillow on wikipedia
[00:51:59] And you search they don't say why for us to attack
[00:52:02] it was because there were these people these particular people who were rampaging through the through the
[00:52:08] Countryside there and terrorizing the women and everything a lot of them were black and uh, you know
[00:52:12] I that I find that very easy to believe but to answer your question
[00:52:17] Part of part of what made this whole
[00:52:19] Part of what made this so
[00:52:22] Special this day. I mean gene and gene and I as he said we were standing at the hearth in the spot where forest casket was when they're
[00:52:28] Why were they reburying him because of these?
[00:52:32] Marxists and leftists and jews that are that are trying to iconoclasm
[00:52:35] They're trying to destroy the symbols of our heritage or southern heritage
[00:52:39] And uh, and wallow we were standing there. That's when we got talking a little bit
[00:52:44] And I mentioned that I was at charlottesville and he said I was too so it was a it was amazing that we
[00:52:48] Discovered we were all three charlottesville while we're standing there at the hearth of forest home
[00:52:53] Um, I picked up a bunch of books
[00:52:56] There one of them is american terrorists linkin's armies in the south by michael andrew grissom
[00:53:02] And uh, and then the unholy crusade uh by lachlan c brook and this is i've been we read it
[00:53:08] The whole way home while we were driving. I had my little uh car light on and I was reading some of this to dad
[00:53:14] And uh, yeah the south got the treatment
[00:53:19] By this, you know, I use the term zog
[00:53:21] I don't know if you guys use that term the south got the treatment by this system by this american government
[00:53:28] That it later meted out to germany and so many other places the treatment that gaza is getting right now at the hands of israel
[00:53:35] Um, I don't think people realize to what extent certainly, you know, they say it's lost cosmos
[00:53:40] It's all this lost cosmotology. Well reading these books reading just getting into them
[00:53:44] It makes total sense to me that this history has been completely buried particularly outside the south
[00:53:50] That people don't know we've all heard about sherman and his march to the sea
[00:53:54] But we don't realize the extent to which
[00:53:56] They waged a war of blockade to starve people to burn out their homes kill civilians
[00:54:02] And then a racial occupation an occupation of black troops and the war racial terror tyranny
[00:54:10] I want to thank jean andrews again and you my friend for coming on we got 20 seconds left
[00:54:14] Why was this hour important to present tonight instead of current events and all the other stuff we could have done
[00:54:20] 20 seconds because it's the same. It's the same force
[00:54:23] James, it's the same force. We got to learn the lessons of history
[00:54:26] It's the same people with the same agenda trying to do the same things
[00:54:30] You know, it's an active issue them trying to tear down
[00:54:33] All the symbols of our heritage
[00:54:36] It's the same struggle. You know, so that's why it's important to realize that other people have thought this
[00:54:41] You know, we're part of a much larger story
[00:54:43] Continuum. Thank you both. Thank you warren. Thank you gene
[00:54:48] Love you guys