[00:00:01] You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is the Political Cesspool. The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program. And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
[00:00:32] Time keeps on rolling, does it not? Ladies and gentlemen, the calendar has turned another page. Welcome to August, August 3rd, 2024. You're listening to TPC Live tonight and we are inching ever more closely to Election Day and this has been a political year that has just kept on giving.
[00:00:55] And we have got three great guests coming your way to help make sense of it to the extent that sense can be made. In the second hour tonight, folks, we're going to be bringing on a university professor
[00:01:11] with a PhD in political science who has going to give you expert opinions on the events of the past month. You don't want to miss that. In the third hour, who is Kamala Harris? Who is Kamala?
[00:01:29] Well, ace freelance reporter Jose Nino will be back to answer that question and probably give you more information than you want. But we're going to really paint the full and complete picture. Not the way the establishment press of course is doing it, but in a fair and objective
[00:01:44] and honest way. You might be scared. It's not Halloween. That's going to be a horror story. That's the third hour. But first, Mark Weber is back with us. Of course, the director of the Institute for Historical Review.
[00:01:56] Well, I think pull us out of the vortex a little bit of the current election cycle as we consider with him the trends of our time from a broader perspective. So first let's say hello and then we'll set the table a little bit better. Mark, hello. Welcome back.
[00:02:12] Great to have you again. Hello James. That's always a pleasure to be with you and I'm happy to join you on this occasion. Yeah, looking forward to our discussion.
[00:02:22] We've got a lot to get to and this is a discussion that has been bumped a couple of times because July was the month that something happened. People always say nothing ever happens, nothing ever changes. Lots happened since the last week of June.
[00:02:35] You had the most consequential presidential debate maybe in history. The donor class coup against Joe Biden, Trump's near assassination, the JD Vance pick and the coronation of Queen Kamala. That is all within the last what 30, 40 days.
[00:02:50] So everybody's talking about it and rightly so but what I thought Mark when I was talking with Mark about what we would cover tonight, he said hey let's just pull out of that vortex and look at things from a broader perspective. Why are we doing that tonight Mark?
[00:03:08] Well as an email message to me a few weeks ago or days ago you quoted Lenin as saying that there are sometimes decades when nothing happens and there are days when decades happen. The big point is things are happening now very quickly and they're happening for reasons
[00:03:26] that I want to take a larger view of. I'm trying to get people to focus not just on the next 10 days or 20 days or 100 days or even 100 even a year from now. I'm trying to say get people to focus on five, 10 years from now and how this will
[00:03:43] look then but things are moving very, very rapidly. The big point I want to make is that regardless who wins and again we elections make a difference and this one is one of the most consequential but what's astonishing is to me is to stand
[00:03:58] back and realize that whether Kamala Harris or Donald Trump is elected in November, the basic problems of American society which we can see all around us will not really go away. Even if all immigration stopped tomorrow, even if a big border wall was built,
[00:04:18] the same demographic cultural trends would be changing and also it would be regardless of who is elected, the decline of America will continue. It'll continue for objective reasons that neither Donald Trump or Kamala Harris is
[00:04:34] really going to change and out of that I think is coming and will inevitably come ever greater realization that the problems are not going to be fixed no matter whether it's Kamala Harris if you want to continue the trends we've had or Donald Trump.
[00:04:50] One of the striking things is that the recent Republican Convention even though well it was very much about Trump but it celebrated an America of today and of the future that is multicultural, multiracial, multiethnic and diverse, the same as Democrats.
[00:05:08] It was in fact the Republican Convention recently was more culturally diverse than say even a Democratic Convention of 20 years ago or 30 years ago. Those trends are still in place and they're not going to change and as America
[00:05:21] becomes more and more a third world country, a more diverse country racially, culturally, ethnically and so forth, things will continue to break down no matter who's in charge. And this is the bigger point is that the real question for me is not whether America can be saved.
[00:05:43] What's really changing is the idea of America. It's interesting that both now Republicans and Democrats, both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump keep on emphasizing that if the other side is elected, America is finished.
[00:05:59] Donald Trump said this several times there won't be any America left to save or he says America will be finished or democracy will be over and the Democrats say the same thing. What's really dying is not America in maybe the sense that they mean it but an idea
[00:06:16] of an America or an America that was already on the way out and has been on the way out for decades. And that's what I want to get into a little bit more because there's an enormous
[00:06:28] sense of you might say wishful thinking on the part of both Democrats and what more importantly to me, most white Americans about American society. And the delusional or fantasy nature of this idea of America is becoming more and more apparent to more and more white Americans.
[00:06:48] That's really a more important thing because even if Kamala Harris is elected, white Americans particularly still have to and all Americans really have to look forward no matter what's going on. Now essentially the election of Kamala Harris will be a daily reminder to every
[00:07:07] American that the old America is gone. The America of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower up until maybe the 1960s, that America is gone. It's a daily reminder that America is no longer a first world country or
[00:07:23] first world society but has become a third world or a diverse or internationalist universalist kind of society. And even if she's not elected, that's the reality that America increasingly has become. What a fantastic opening statement from Mark Weber and it has my mind racing at
[00:07:42] things that I want to throw at him this hour. We will do our best to give this a good treatment. And I think this is brand new month with a couple of months to go before the election.
[00:07:52] A good time to pause and take inventory and look at the bigger picture because again as we've mentioned right now it seems that just about everybody is focused on the current election campaign, the assassination attempt, what's likely to happen over the next few weeks or months.
[00:08:08] And Mark as you wrote to me in an email this week, you prefer to focus on points that you made in your presentation at the TPC 20th anniversary conference earlier this year and we will do that. We'll also touch on the rise and fall of multi-ethnic societies.
[00:08:22] Is there anything that history teaches us that America is immune to or is the past prologue? And again looking ahead to the next five or ten years, I would also I think Mark like to look back at the last five or ten years while we do that.
[00:08:37] But yes, I mean as far as people go and this is just human nature. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing or if it was always this way but forget people judging history by the lens of their own finite time on Earth.
[00:08:52] Now people don't even look at the current year. It's just the current news cycle. I mean in July Trump was shot and he had that incredible pose. He was invincible. He was going to win all 50 states. That was just a couple of weeks ago.
[00:09:08] And now today Kamala's got all the momentum behind her. She's invincible. The end is near. How do we mature beyond that? Right. Well yeah, I try to think I am. Maybe it's because I try to look at everything that's going on in terms of
[00:09:25] how will this look in five years or ten years or 20 or 30 years from now. And to keep that in perspective when we look back really in American history, I mean in 1896 the number one issue was one that today seems silly.
[00:09:40] It was whether silver coins should be minted at the ratio of 16 to 1 to gold coins. That was the big issue in 1960. The big issue, the only real issue that even divided Republicans and Democrats as any substantive issue was the so-called missile gap with the Soviet Union.
[00:10:00] Soviets may have had more missiles. They actually didn't. But that was the only kind of issue in retrospect that really wasn't much of an issue. Oftentimes people focus on issues that seem very important at the time and later are really in retrospect not very important.
[00:10:18] But today what really, the big story, and this is a major trend that's been going on for years is American society itself is fundamentally changing. It's now a third world country. And millions of white Americans still have this idea that there's an older,
[00:10:35] whiter European Christian America that can somehow be turned back. The clock can be turned back to the Eisenhower Reagan years, something like that. That's not going to happen. The demographics have changed now so much that that America and it should
[00:10:51] be really emphasized how that America is not coming back. Hold on right there. Mark Webber, IHR.org. We'll be right back with him. Stay tuned. God tells us in Hebrews 10 25 that we should gather together to worship him. This isn't a request. It is a command.
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[00:13:22] As you know, Mark Weber, one of our most regularly featured guests in the entire history of TPC, an accomplished historian, lecturer, current affairs analyst. He's an author educated both in the United States and Europe.
[00:13:35] He holds a master's degree in modern European history and he can cover the breaking news topics and current events as well as anyone. He is truly one of the best of the best and one of the tip of the spear.
[00:13:47] So yes, looking at this from the big picture and you were getting to that and you addressed that in your talk at the TPC 20th anniversary event and it was actually your talk at the Skanza Forum last year that informed or inspired perhaps my Amron
[00:14:05] speech a little later in 2023. You said it won't always be this way. What we see right now that is a short but an important sentence to remember. It won't always be this way. It could be better.
[00:14:20] It could be worse, but what we're living through right now will change history. Spares no nation that fate. Am I right, Mark? Well, especially now, especially now because it's obvious, I think to everyone in Western Europe and the United States that the post-war order, the liberal democratic,
[00:14:39] whatever you call it, order that was in place from the end of World War II up until maybe the 80s or 90s is terminally ill. It's really ending. It's not even living up to its own promises.
[00:14:54] I compared it in Skanza Forum to the last years of the Soviet Union in which yeah, they still say the same slogans. They still talk about a future. It's all going to work out and so forth, but people can see this is not happening.
[00:15:08] It won't happen because the premises on which it is based are wrong. The premise that you can have one can have, as I say, a country like Denmark with a population like Somalia is delusional, but that's what both Republicans and Democrats pretend to believe.
[00:15:25] I mean, both Republicans and Democrats, including Donald Trump, support Juneteenth as some sort of holiday. This is an effort to try to integrate that which is so different it can't be integrated. I mean, in fact, even at the Republican convention, Vibhik Ramaswamy tried to lay it.
[00:15:43] He said we have a crisis of identity, a crisis as Americans and Republicans. And he threw out this idea that the thing that can unite Americans is a belief he says a society of law, of a society of merit and a society in which government
[00:16:01] represents the people it's supposed to represent. Well, those aren't particularly American values. You could say that's the values of South Africa or Brazil or any number of countries. It's not enough to hold a society together.
[00:16:13] And this is a big point I tried to make at the conference that you had in Greenville. That is, it's not enough to be democracy. It's not enough to represent people because people who are very different in a society,
[00:16:26] their very idea of what the society should be like is so different. It being democratic is not enough. And I gave some examples in history about this. I mean, one example that just I think it should be striking to a lot of people
[00:16:41] in 1991, 92, a country called Czechoslovakia broke apart. It didn't break apart because it wasn't democratic. It broke apart because Czechs and Slovaks regarded themselves as different enough that they wanted separate countries. Now, it wasn't a bloody revolution. It wasn't a tarot. It was called the velvet divorce.
[00:17:03] But they broke apart because Slovaks and Czechs, although they're racially indistinguishable and their languages are very similar, they said, no, we want separate societies. In America today, this country, the populations of America are vastly more diverse and different than Czechoslovakia.
[00:17:23] And I give other examples, but we're still trying to make it all work together in a way that's not going to happen and historically has never happened. And Americans aren't yet ready to quite give up on that because as a country, we've had a very good one.
[00:17:39] This has been a very successful country for a long time. It's been a prosperous country. It's been a rich country. It's been a powerful country, and especially white Americans regard it as sort of our country. We're the trustees. We want to make it work.
[00:17:53] And that's what people are trying to do. But it won't work. It won't work because the idea that people have that even though the society population has changed, it can still be treated as if it's the America of the 1930s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. But that's a delusion.
[00:18:11] And that's the big point I'm trying to make is to shed ourselves of delusions that if we just sort of go back to the Constitution or if we elect somebody who says we want a great America again, that somehow it will all
[00:18:26] go back to some idea of what it used to be. All right. So yes, all of that to be sure. But let me ask you this as we're looking into the future away from the current news cycle.
[00:18:43] And again, it's almost comical how things have turned on a dime to where Trump was invincible two weeks ago and now it looks like it's the exact opposite that he's not going to win. And the panic of the current news cycle, if you go back five to 10
[00:19:04] years ago to the dawn of the Trumpian age, Mark, and you look at the Overton window, would you say we are better off or worse off now than we were then? I mean, we're looking at the things that aren't good or that could be
[00:19:15] improved on or that if you're looking at the last 50 years, certainly we're in worse shape. But in my Emory speech, I was citing polls that suggest that whites might be experiencing a nascent racial awareness. You go back to 2015, 2016, Trump versus Hillary, the SPLC and
[00:19:33] the ATL were still pretty well respected. Journalism was still taken seriously. That's all gone. There was still a great deal of faith in institutions like the FBI and even elections themselves that certainly been eroded. Neocon still controlled the GOP.
[00:19:50] A lot of that has changed, not to say that they don't still have a toe in but it's really Trump's party now. And he recently dictated the 2024 Republican platform. He posted it in all caps and on Truth Social and the platform.
[00:20:06] I mean, what they will do versus what the platform says is surely two different things but most of the planks are things that we would probably have some commonality with and he doesn't consult with anyone about this. No one else really matters.
[00:20:19] So that's good if you think Trump is the answer but if you're just looking at a lot of the things though, look eight years ago, I'll make this quick. Republican Party has certainly been reshaped in Trump's image. That's good if you look at at least rhetorically speaking,
[00:20:36] no one is shocked anymore when a Republican floats mass deportations or millions of illegal aliens or imposing tariffs on imports or ending the Ukraine war. That stuff was really groundbreaking to candidate Trump in 2016 but now it's just become background noise.
[00:20:52] This is Brad Griffin I'm quoting from right here, background noise in right-wing politics. Many conservatives organizations like the Heritage Foundation have pretty much just become that they're no longer Reaganists, they're Trumpists and they want to be nationalists now. The whole thing going back to 2020, the summer of Floyd
[00:21:12] that mainstreamed anti-white politics on the left and the woke lash that followed under Joe Biden has normalized pro-white politics on the right to some extent. JD Vance has been dinged but his childless cat lady's comment, that was something you wouldn't have seen in modern parlance
[00:21:33] a few years ago. So yeah, I think the Overton window has shifted so much that you've got black women like Candace Owens saying the edgiest things that any of our people were saying eight years ago. It's really just come down to Jews in either your
[00:21:48] for Israel or your anti-Zionist and that's really everything else. 90% of the people on the right now agree with V-Dayer. James, all that's true in the sense that there is this very, very widespread dissolution with the system and so it's now
[00:22:07] possible and in fact almost necessary to admit that there are very, very substantial problems. Yes, people make those kinds of put but neither Republicans or Democrats lay out a vision of the kind of country they do want except administrative changes.
[00:22:24] They want to stop illegal immigration but Donald Trump and the Republicans are embracing, welcoming all sorts of legal immigration without regard to the cultural, racial, ethnic, religious makeup of the people in it. They still believe in America if we can just make it legal
[00:22:45] and orderly then it'll all still work out. But that problem goes back to the very founding of America already from early on. There was a large population that was not white but the founders of America never imagined, never even anticipated anything other than a white Republic.
[00:23:04] But now both the Republicans and Democrats still say, well we want a universal country. We just don't want illegal immigrants coming into the country. Well, that's not going to change the basic problem and demographic trajectory that we've been on for a long time.
[00:23:22] I mean, yes, right now there's a widespread awareness when millions of people things are wrong. One of the ironies is that many people who are in a sense conservative in their sentiment who want to hold on to what we have are going to be inclined to
[00:23:36] vote for Kamala Harris because she basically says we should carry on in the same way we've been going for the last 20, 30 years. Both Republicans and Democrats say we don't mind if America is a non-white country. If it's a Hindu, if the populations are Hindus or
[00:23:54] Buddhists or non-believers or whatever they happen to be. Both Republicans and Democrats say they believe this already when I was in grade school or early high school. It was obvious to me that Republicans, well the Democrats would say we want a country for everyone.
[00:24:10] We want a universal society. And Republicans response to it would be, well yes, we want that too, but not very quickly. We don't want it to happen fast. And they would, they don't embrace it eagerly, but they still embrace it.
[00:24:24] And Donald, Ron Reagan was a good example of that. He said he wasn't going to sign a Martin Luther King Day as a national holiday and then he did as president and Republicans go along with that. That's right. As I mean, this goes back to Daphne's time.
[00:24:38] It's the shadow of liberalism. They're always at its rear, but never retarded yet. We'll be right back. Mark Webber Institute for historical review, IHR.org. We'll be right back. I have one answer. Relief factor is a 100% drug-free daily supplement that helps your body fight pain naturally.
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[00:26:20] that inoperative door locks and windows can prevent people from getting out of the small SUVs during an emergency. That is Rich Thomason reporting. In Missouri, a police dog has died when the air conditioner failed in a patrol vehicle he'd been left in. Vader was a four-year-old canine officer
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[00:27:00] Congress passing a proposal to require the federal government to purchase only American flags that have been completely manufactured in America. The U.S. imports millions of American flags from overseas, mostly from China. But the sponsors of the proposal said it's time for American flags
[00:27:19] to originate in the country they represent. Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio said the change is more than just symbolic. They believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers while preserving the nation's most recognized banner. John Scott reporting.
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[00:30:24] is going to have an impact no matter how you slice it. And we're trying to get a handle on that. Looking back five to 10 years, looking forward five to 10 years and beyond with Mark Weber, the director of the Institute for Historical Review.
[00:30:37] I had always, always wanted to have Mark speak at one of our vids. And we finally, the stars finally aligned after all of these appearances and so many years of friendship and work and collaboration for him to do that back earlier this spring. And he did not disappoint.
[00:30:54] His speech was entitled, Democracy and Identity. And we are using his speech a little bit to build upon the thought process from this hour. I would just read a quick excerpt from the remarks that he shared to those who faithfully assembled in South Carolina earlier this year.
[00:31:13] And this is what you would have heard if you were there. White Americans grudgingly tolerate Black Lives Matter rallies at which black men and women proclaim loudly their African identity and they condone gatherings where Jews proudly affirm their Jewish identity and support for Israel.
[00:31:29] Yet European Americans are very uncomfortable or even ashamed to support anything that might be called white identity politics. It's no wonder white Americans keep losing. They're not even playing the same game. Whites are still playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess.
[00:31:43] Blacks, Jews, Latinos, Muslims and so forth have become skilled at the art of identity politics. They understand that serious high stakes politics is identity politics. It's the politics that really matters. European Americans haven't learned that good intentions, ever more tolerance
[00:32:02] and trying to be nice to everyone is not enough. A future for white Americans can be secured only when our people wake up, realize this reality and act accordingly. Mark, I think that just cuts right to the bone of what we're trying to present to the audience
[00:32:16] tonight in this conversation. Thank you, James. Just last week, the Prime Minister of Hungary gave a speech that I think deserves a great deal of attention. It was so strikingly relevant. He said he concluded this very impressive overview of the world's situation by calling for activism
[00:32:39] and I'm quoting, by courageous young fighters with a nationalist spirit against what he calls the left liberal elite. Language like that hasn't been heard in Europe for a long, long time. But the point is in America, what does that mean when people hear a call like that?
[00:32:57] For most white Americans, their idea of the nation is still the United States of America, not white America, not their own people. And that's therein lies the problem. White Americans still like to think of themselves and think as trustees, this is our country.
[00:33:15] The other people may not think of it as our country and white Americans are still trying to say, how can we get everyone to get on board so it's still, you might say, our country. And this is essentially a problem identity. Who's we? The real struggle, I think,
[00:33:31] for white America will happen only after the idea of America that we've had for many years as a universalist society is really behind us. Until and unless that happens, white Americans are still trying to square the circle. They're still trying to make an America that's multicultural, multiracial
[00:33:53] into the kind of America that they would like, that they would feel comfortable. They haven't yet made that fundamental transition. And that's why even though we talk about our people, there's no candidate I know of anywhere, no politician with the very, very few exceptions
[00:34:11] that I think you're aware of who will talk about our people in the way that you or I might talk. It's certainly not on this continent, as you mentioned, Victor Orban, there are some people in Eastern Europe and some others scattered throughout Europe, but you can find them,
[00:34:27] but you got to look a little bit and they're widespread and there's not a monolithic nationalist entity in Europe that's all one. Right, but we mean really more about the issue in our country. This is a question of identity here and that's really the big problem
[00:34:45] because most white Americans are still, I mean, it's almost pathetic the extent to which conservatives are so eager to say, look, our problems will be over if you people from India or South America, whatever, are just like we are, then we won't have these problems.
[00:35:05] But that's not going to happen. They have their own ideas, their own background, their own culture and they will be different. This isn't a question of hatred or phobia or anything like this. It's only recognizing the difference. Look, if the United States of America included the population,
[00:35:21] let's say we had a big United States of America that included all of Mexico and Brazil, no matter how democratic would be, it wouldn't be a comfortable, any familiar and a good society for white Americans. Not a white American society.
[00:35:36] And this is the point I tried to make at the conference in Greenville that in 1900, the country called, we call it the United Kingdom. In those days, it was called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. But in 1910, the people of Ireland increasingly
[00:35:55] did not view the United Kingdom as their country. It was democratic, but it wasn't an Irish country. They wanted an Irish country and the United Kingdom broke up and then the name of the country changed. It changed from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
[00:36:10] to the country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain in Northern Ireland. Yugoslavia after communism ended, it was a democratic society, but Croats and Serbs and Slovenes and other people said, well it's not our country no matter how democratic it is. And this is,
[00:36:29] identity is far more important than democracy. Democracy is a good thing if it represents a people. But the first and foremost thing is it's only a good if it represents our people. I mean, I'm using our, whoever it happens to be.
[00:36:44] It has to be in terms of who are we. And that essential question of identity is a crucial one now, but it will become more important in the years ahead, especially if there's a Kamala Harris elected. And somebody like Kamala Harris will be elected,
[00:37:03] not maybe this election cycle, maybe not in four years, but in eight years and in 16 years. That's where America's headed. It's increasingly, the country is increasingly like states like California where I live that are now majority, overtly a majority non-white. And at that point,
[00:37:22] white Americans will be forced increasingly to think in racial terms or else they will give up completely. Or else it will... Yeah, no, this is it. This is the whole conversation. So again, getting back to what I said last year, what you had said last year,
[00:37:39] looking at this now without being schizophrenic. Yes, I mean, that is the way the country's going while simultaneously you do have anecdotal and even some hard data evidence to suggest that our people are becoming a little more aware and our people are our people, conservatives, republic,
[00:37:59] whatever you want to call it. You pick your euphemism. They are coming a little bit more closer to our side. So it seems as though those are irreconcilable findings unless you look at it through the frame of the blue states are getting more awoke and the red states
[00:38:17] are getting a little more red. And at some point there's going to have to be what? Maybe a conflict. How does this sort itself out either in our surrender or what? Because yeah, if you look at it from one way, you could see 16 years from now
[00:38:32] we're just further on down the tubes or not. Right. I mean... As long as... See, that's... I mean, again, nobody can predict the exact thing, but that's what I tried to do in my talk. In a talk I gave here just a few weeks ago,
[00:38:45] I was talking about the examples of multiracial, multi-ethnic societies and what comes out of the wreckage. I gave the example, for example, of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was built... The core of it were Turks. It was a Turkish empire. But at one time
[00:39:04] it was a vast empire that included what is now Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine. All that was part of this huge multicultural, multi-racial empire called the Ottoman Empire. And it declined in power. It still stumbled along for a long time even as it was declining.
[00:39:26] But finally under the pressure of the First World War it broke apart. And what happened? What came out of it is Turks said they did 180 degrees change. They said, we give up on the empire and they founded after World War I a Turkish national republic. They said,
[00:39:42] it's we're better off without all those other people. And they... But that can only... That consciousness was only possible when the old Ottoman Empire was clearly finished. It was clearly on its way out. There's other examples from history. Things can change very quickly.
[00:39:58] The examples you gave are all valid. There is a kind of awareness that it cannot or should not go on like it has been. And in the years just before the American Revolution when the Continental Congress was first convened it wasn't convened to break away from Britain.
[00:40:15] It was convened to find some way to hold on to a relationship with Britain while still maintaining American interests and identity. And only under the pressure of Lexington and Concord and battle did finally they say, okay we're finished. America... We're not really going to be British subjects anymore.
[00:40:39] Separate people. And that can change very quickly because there is... Anyway, those are all signs... That's exactly where I want to come back. We have one more segment with you. We're already 45 minutes into this hour. I don't know. But we have one more segment
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[00:43:14] Back with the one and only Mark Weber A national treasure and certainly an institution in his own right. I look folks, we just lost V-Dare a V-Dare just suspended operations. We have got to rally around our standard bearers. We have got to rally around
[00:43:35] the folks who have been producing good fruit for a lot longer than I have. I'm proud of 20 years. Mark Weber has done it longer and he's done it better and I am thankful to have him back tonight. We have to preserve our institutions. We have to build more
[00:43:52] and we have to rally around the ones that are under attack and we all are. Mark, I want to get back to history and what it teaches us about the rise and fall of multi ethnic nations. That's how we'll close out this hour.
[00:44:06] But first, I kind of want to put you on the hot seat here and ask you this because this is something that's interesting to me and I have noticed this for every year, every election cycle we've been on the air
[00:44:19] and I can remember one of our very first shows was an election breakdown between the Bush and Kerry, George W. Bush and John Kerry election cycle. That's how far back we go here on TPC but out of all these presidential election cycles, there has never been a consensus
[00:44:37] except for in 2016. There was a clear consensus of our people getting behind Trump and I think a lot of that was, well there are a lot of reasons for that but not the least of which being we were projecting our hopes and dreams upon this blank canvas
[00:44:54] which was Trump at the time but this year we're back. We've regressed to the mean. I think if you polled the political cesspool audience or the readers of IHR or any of our adjacent institutions, there would be a surprising split. I think certainly most of them
[00:45:11] are going to be voting for Trump. I don't think there's any doubt about that but a distinct minority are going to be saying, vote for Kamala. Let's get this over with. Let's go ahead and have it all go to pot.
[00:45:23] A lot of people are going to sit it out. Some people are voting third party or they're voting for Kennedy. This is typical. This is typical of our people but I'm going to give you two examples very quickly Mark and then we're going to get back to
[00:45:36] the final topic, rise and fall of multi-ethnic nations but these are two different thought processes from two regular guests on TPC and I'm not going to tell you who they are. I want you to not know who they are
[00:45:48] and I don't want the audience to know who they are but they're regularly featured. One writes this, if Donald Trump had lost in 2016 we'd be living under a different more unpleasant political reality than we are today without Trump. Tucker Carlson wouldn't have had his show.
[00:46:02] The Overton window would have not have moved to the degree that it has on the right. Ted Cruz would have likely been the Republican nominee in 2020. Conservatism incorporated as it existed before. Trump would have held on longer. Everything would have definitely been worse off on the policy front
[00:46:16] and we would have been set further back in the culture. That's a case from a regular appearing TPC guest for Trump. How about this one though? I'd love for Kamala Harris to be elected president. She'd do more good for us than Trump at heart. Having a non-white half
[00:46:32] and half Hindu African female president who is also an inarticulate fool would do wonders in undermining the system's credibility. Mark, if you don't mind answering the question where do we fall on this spectrum and what should our people do going forward between now and November?
[00:46:50] This discussion goes on and on and we've been doing it for years. The question really is is it better to have a candidate who caps on the brakes as the bus heads down the hill and over the cliff or do we want someone to say
[00:47:07] let the bus go over the cliff? Which candidate, which of the two candidates in this election or previous elections will more rapidly accelerate the trends that are already in place? Donald Trump might have tapped on the brakes if he had been elected.
[00:47:22] He did tap on the brakes perhaps when he was elected in 2014. But the danger of a Donald Trump is he gives people the delusional hope that the system can be fundamentally faked. If we just elect the right people. That's the big problem. It's a question of awareness.
[00:47:39] It's a little bit like, again, the Continental Congress meeting just before it declared independence. It thought well if we can get the British to just back away on these taxes or this particular program we can still hold on to the relationship we've had
[00:47:56] with the British crown, with Britain. But fundamentally something wasn't going to work. America is too different than Britain. It's ridiculous for an island as Thomas Paine said, to control a continent. And America was fundamentally its interest, its future was going to be very different.
[00:48:17] So and the reason that people don't have the same hopes they did in 2016 is because they've seen when Donald Trump is in office he isn't going to really change the fundamentals really. Remember Donald Trump was elected largely because he was a protest against the system.
[00:48:35] Almost there's a widespread awareness. Even people, whether they're Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, they don't like the direction the country is going on going in. And they disagree about why it's happening or what the reason is but people are not happy. Even within the Democratic Party.
[00:48:52] Kamala Harris is only being voted for primarily because she's the alternative to Trump and Trump is being voted because he's the alternative to Harris and Biden. Neither of them really excites anyone to think that the country is really going to be a healthier good country.
[00:49:13] That's a widespread thing. And so Donald Trump's main value was in as a protest against the system. And he said things openly that other people were afraid to say. Yes, that's the thing. I think he has inoculated the entire white population
[00:49:29] from the venom of being called a racist. I think he has been called it so much and has just numbed people to it. It's lost its sting. I think inadvertently you could say that the left's overreaction to what they perceive Trump to be has just totally opened
[00:49:44] a wide swath of our people's eyes to the reality, the racial realities. I could make a big case for Trump. On the other hand, we have coalesced more since Biden's inauguration day. Over the last four years, I think our cause has made some great advancements
[00:50:03] because of the duress. So you could really go either way with that. I am of two minds on that. I will vote for Trump again. I voted for him the first two times. I personally will vote for him again. But anyway, I see the pros and cons
[00:50:16] all the way around and we've talked about it for eight years. But it's just interesting to see where our people fall. Anyway, Mark, we spent probably too much time on that. That's my fault. Three or four minutes remaining. The rise and fall of multi-ethnic societies.
[00:50:27] What hope can we take in that? Because we need this one to fall and we need something better to come. I made the point at the conference that you organized in Greenville and I'll say it again. In the next several years, there will be an increase
[00:50:41] in racial consciousness among our people only if for no other reason than that as things get bad, the system's response will be to blame white Americans, we mean white people. Who else are they going to blame? They can't very well blame the very people they've welcomed in
[00:50:56] and they're not going to blame themselves. So they're going to blame the usual suspects. And the reaction of many white people will be one of two things. It will be either to accept that view in which they'll just be more demoralized and ashamed of themselves and depressed
[00:51:12] or they'll say, well, whole thing is wrong. The whole premise is wrong. And they will respond by saying race does matter. The whole idea that we can have this, they will be more aware. And that's going to increase. That will happen. It'll happen also because any society
[00:51:31] dedicated as Harris is, as Biden is, to trying to create a society of equity means lowering standards. And as they lower standards, things will break down. America will be less competitive internationally. There'll be more accidents. Things will continue to deteriorate. And that will make again,
[00:51:49] more and more people just obviously aware of these realities. So I see that growing and I see that increasing no matter who's elected, but whether it's Trump or Biden, I mean, Trump or Harris in the next four years. All right. Well, that's that.
[00:52:08] And we're down to the last minute. I would remind you coming up in the next hour, we're going to be joined by a university professor with a PhD in political science for the last 40 years. This has been his profession. So he still has some vulnerabilities.
[00:52:25] We might just mention his credentials and not his name. Very rarely do we do that, but he's going to be offering his expert opinions on the events of the past month. The things that Mark and I were working to avoid this hour, we're going to get back into
[00:52:37] in the next hour and then we're going to focus, put a bright spotlight on Kamala Harris with Jose Nino in the third hour. Mark, thank you for coming back on and kicking off this show. I tell you, we live in interesting times indeed.
[00:52:50] And I think the more we struggle, the more we value those who struggle with us. And I appreciate you. Final word from you to the audience? Well, thank you for having me on again. I always say about this election cycle and so forth, things can change very rapidly
[00:53:06] and it can change very rapidly again once more before the election's over. And I think it's foolish for anybody who put too much money on whether either one is elected. At the same time, one point I made, I made already in 2016, keep expectations about a Trump presidency low.
[00:53:22] Now, it's certainly there are lower expectations than they were in 2016. But keep that, keep the expectations low and continue the work that's important in the years ahead and don't just put hopes in one person because the Trump campaign is essentially a one-man band. It's not really well organized
[00:53:42] beyond Trump's own ambitions. And so we should try to, as you say, encourage institutions, organizations and individuals that are going to be keeping up the fight, keeping up the struggle long beyond and beyond the Trump time and Trump years. Hey folks, you want more commentary
[00:54:04] and analysis from Mark Weber? IHR.org for the Institute for Historical Review, IHR.org and don't forget to listen to the weekly roundup with Mark Weber. He and Frodie Midjord provide a great broadcast once a week and you can check that out as well
[00:54:23] while you're visiting IHR.org. Mark, we will talk to you again soon, but not soon enough and hopefully again before the election and we'll be in touch on email and all the other ways we do for sure. But thanks for being on with us tonight.
[00:54:37] We'll talk to you again. Thank you.