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[00:00:31] Welcome everyone to tonight's live broadcast of TPC. It's Saturday evening July the 20th. We've got the show for you tonight that you probably thought we were going to do last week but we are going to comprehensively discuss the attempted assassination of Donald Trump
[00:00:45] with guests who have informed opinions. A lot of theories going on out there about what might have happened, what did or did not happen. We're going to try to give you some informed opinions tonight here on TPC. I'm James Edwards along with Keith Alexander.
[00:01:02] Welcome to the program. We're going to be covering this exhaustively. We're also in the third hour going to be breaking down the pros and cons of Vice Presidential nominee J.D. Vance. That is the show tonight, the Trump assassination attempt and J.D. Vance. I'll
[00:01:15] take the first stab at it from my point of view. As you know, as everyone knows, Donald Trump was nearly assassinated last Saturday night. The shots rang out just a few minutes before our live broadcast time. He came with an infraction of an inch
[00:01:29] of being murdered on live television and certainly that's the logical progression of events. Is it not? We went from the failed Russia gate hoax that was intended to stop him from beating Hillary Clinton in 2016 to countless impeachments
[00:01:42] while he was president to COVID to vote fraud in 2020 to all of these arrest and indictments in Atlanta and New York and Washington DC. So things were definitely building up to an assassination attempt. Now there are still so many
[00:01:58] questions and so much to process. One thing that cannot be taken away from Trump though, and one thing we have to give him right now, regardless of what you think about him, is the poise and presence of mind to stand up with his
[00:02:09] fist clenched after being shot in the head and striking that iconic Ewo Jima level photograph. To do that, in that moment, that is boss level gangster. And it was, as I said, instantly an historic image. No
[00:02:26] doubt about it. Certainly I would also like to know how a one story metal building a few hundred feet away with a direct sight line to the stage wasn't secured and how did a kid who just graduated out of high school a year
[00:02:40] or two before managed to stumble with his rifle into the perfect spot to take a kill shot? Awful lot of luck there if you can believe it. Now they're saying they can't find a motive that he really didn't have a
[00:02:50] political ideology and that he was most likely doing it for notoriety or to become famous because he was a loner and an outcast at school. Okay, maybe I'll buy that. I mean, that's not unprecedented. I think the guy who
[00:03:03] shot Reagan didn't do that to impress Jody Foster and the guy who shot John Lennon said the only reason he did that was so people would know what his name was to be famous. So maybe that follows, maybe that follows, but
[00:03:15] it still doesn't answer how he was able to pull it off. How is the more important question right now than why? And I detest a lot of the I don't even want to say conspiratorial quote unquote conspiratorial takes. We
[00:03:27] don't know what happened. We probably never will. But there are some serious questions that do need to be answered. But the Secret Service is an agency that operates under the direction of the Department of Homeland Security. That's Alejandro Mayorkas. It could boil down to
[00:03:41] DEI incompetence at the Secret Service to a degree unfathomable. You've got a woman head of the Secret Service, Kim Chadle, who says she prioritizes diversity hires non-whites and especially women. Trump is six foot three. He's a big boy. You have all these women who don't even
[00:03:59] come up to his shoulders trying to shield him. And you know that's a joke. One woman of course we saw pulling out her gun for no apparent reason, waving it around and then tries to holster it again but she can't figure
[00:04:08] out how to reholster it. Another takes a time out to adjust her sunglasses. I gotta say I am very glad Donald Trump wasn't killed for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which being the thought of the GOP giving us Nikki Haley
[00:04:20] by acclamation at the convention this week and Milwaukee would have become very real. But make no mistake about it, killing him was the goal of the shooter. There's just no way he could have intended to graze Trump's ear for dramatic effect if Trump had not turned his
[00:04:36] head in the exact millisecond that the trigger was pulled. He's dead. So again it comes down to one of two things. This kid by blind luck in DEI level incompetence was able to very nearly change the history of this country or what? What's the alternative? He was a
[00:04:53] Manchurian candidate who was somehow some way groomed into doing this. I don't know which it is, but it's definitely one of those two things. And yes as people have pointed out the media's coverage of Trump for the last nine years comparing him to Hitler, comparing him to
[00:05:07] a fascist who's a threat to democracy has certainly taken a toll although you know the comparison is interesting because this would have just been another day in the office for Hitler. There are about 40 attempts on his life but to an extent I think you gotta say
[00:05:20] to that point perhaps what is most surprising about the assassination attempt against Trump last weekend was that it hadn't happened before. That's what I've got to say about it just to get things started tonight. We'll turn it over to Keith. Keith, you watched this as the whole
[00:05:35] country did last week, last Saturday. What'd you think and what was your reaction and how has your opinion evolved over the course of the last seven days? Well James, like you I'm a little bit dubious about the lone wolf gunman theory. We've been burned
[00:05:51] on that too many times. Remember Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly was some lone wolf who had no other connections. Same thing for James Earl Ray. Same thing for Sirhan Sirhan. They always come up with that canard basically it's become a canard. Whenever they investigate they're not looking for anything
[00:06:12] else because they know that if you look hard enough and honestly enough you will find other connections in this. Now I don't think that this shooter was a Manchurian candidate. What I think he was was a like a lot of young American males had some training and some
[00:06:33] background in using firearms. You can get it now. You can learn how to fly a plane on flight simulator. You can learn some base level proficiency with firearms playing Call of Duty and a lot of these
[00:06:46] a lot of these games now. Well, he was a member of a anti-racist gun club. I don't know if that's well I don't know if it's true. I think he tried out for his high school's rifle team
[00:06:56] and he wasn't a good enough shot to make it. Now I have read that. Well, he knew how to use a rangefinder. He'd been to a shooting range before I guarantee you so he wasn't totally in company
[00:07:06] came darn close to assassinating Donald Trump. What I think it is is that the security apparatus which is part of the Department of Justice basically the FBI the Secret Service Homeland Security you know NSA all of these groups are anti-Trump
[00:07:26] and none of these people really were being told you know to defend him with your life and spare no expense to protect him. We have an enemy in the White House we have an enemy regime running
[00:07:40] America and it would not have upset the regime one iota if Donald Trump had been killed in fact that would be that we've been saying this for over a year that they were going to keep him out of
[00:07:54] the presidency by hook or crook one way or another including assassinations. Tucker Carlson said that just a couple of months ago that this is gearing up to be and we said we said it a
[00:08:07] couple of years ago and we said it before the year started that this was going to be a wild year and all of those weeks leading up to at the end of 2023 once that calendar page turned over
[00:08:17] to January of 2024 I said this is it I mean this is going to be a year the likes of which we've never seen this assassination attempt obviously all of the trials and the convictions and the
[00:08:26] felonies and just I mean and we still only in July. Well the more that I have read about the John F. Kennedy assassination the Robert Kennedy assassination the Martin Luther King assassination the attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan the assassination or the shooting of George Wallace
[00:08:46] all of these things were ascribed to lone wolf shooters and I've read a lot of very well written well researched papers on all of these and in every case it was not a lone wolf
[00:09:02] so this is what we need to keep in mind we've been lied to before they've gotten away with it it's just like that you know they say are are we going to run into a cheating on the election well
[00:09:12] of course we are they've done it several times and you know they're not going to throw away winning hand they're going to continue to there one thing you can depend on there will be possibly
[00:09:25] other attempts on Trump that's what I wonder is and the other thing is you're going to also have a you know an attempt to gosh I wish I had remembered what I was saying I just had
[00:09:41] there but what they're going to make sure that they you know cheat on the election the election they will have a cheat component in that they're not going to give that up and it's really just
[00:09:52] five states that they have to cheat in and every one of those states has a large metropolitan area with a sizable black population and like we've said before on this show every election since
[00:10:07] the voting rights act of 1965 was passed no no let me let me finish the thought okay that you know they run the votes through the black areas they have a lot of experience and therefore some proficiency
[00:10:20] in doing that and I also know that the republican parties are too chicken to call them out on it because they would almost rather be called a pedophile than to be called a racist but we
[00:10:30] got to talk about that it's an estimation a tip though we understand that well the point is there are two things you can rely on voter fraud and assassination attempts well this is new I think
[00:10:42] this is certainly voter fraud isn't new assassination attempts are a little more rare they're not new John all right we're going to take a break we're going to reset we're going to get back on the
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[00:13:31] if uh if any other ironic the trump campaign is listening that would have to be the most bad-ass campaign song of all time going forward assuming trump will even continue to campaign and and
[00:13:46] certainly in in terms of his massive outdoor rallies will he even continue to do that and psychologically will this change him i told uh my wife just immediately the first pictures of
[00:13:57] trump that i saw the next day you could tell that there was a change in his face he looked softer he looked like something had psychologically shifted in him which is completely understandable
[00:14:07] i'm not saying that that's that that's not something that we would all go through in that moment and his speech at the convention this week was a little more subdued and somber and he got back on
[00:14:18] some of the greatest hits of of his rallies in the latter part but it wasn't with the full force and vigor which again that's not something that i'm saying that is an admonition or
[00:14:29] something that i think is is bad but it's just something that i noticed it'll be interesting to see how he continues to campaign going forward after this because if you don't believe that this was
[00:14:40] a guy who just managed to get really lucky and being at the right place at the right time an undefended position to take a perfect shot then you got to wonder if it could happen again
[00:14:50] and i'm not making any declaration on i believe it was more or less than the official narrative but i don't think we know him i think that trump may modify his campaign tactics somewhat he may
[00:15:01] go away from the large outdoor gatherings to indoor gatherings it seemed to be easier to control but the reason that guy got the shot off is because the secret service was working in a half-hearted way
[00:15:14] to protect trump let's face it and you said that uh voter fraud is a common place but assassinations aren't look assassinations are as american as apple pie look at leon cosloff and
[00:15:28] william mccannelly look at huy long if he had he was a real threat to uh fdr and if he'd gotten in we probably wouldn't have fought in world war two uh you had john f kennedy you had robert kennedy
[00:15:41] both of them went up against the deep state and the deep state one okay you know syrhan b syrhan is still uh still in jail for the assassination of robert kennedy but none of his bullets hit
[00:15:54] kennedy kennedy was actually killed by a member of the security detail right behind him well who's guns supposedly accidentally went off and shot him right behind the ear so uh you know all of this stuff
[00:16:06] and you know then you had george wallison you had uh ronald reagan now we've had this been a minute since any of those those what i'm saying but well isn't it funny that most all of these happened
[00:16:17] after the great jewish migration to america you know that was back in the day all right you know in the late 19th century all right now when i mentioned was chuck baldwin has one of the better takes
[00:16:32] that i've read on all of this and again uh chuck baldwin um has been on our show after chuck baldwin good friend great guy a former presidential candidate of the constitution party uh we are
[00:16:42] gonna get into some uh takes above and beyond the commentators in just a moment but this is just i think to just set it back here to reset this is what chuck baldwin writes and this is this is a basic
[00:16:56] but well written take it defies all logic that the professional federal agency tasked with the sole responsibility of protecting america's presidents vice presidents their wives and families as well as the major candidates as well as the major presidential candidates could be as
[00:17:10] lax as unprofessional and as downright and neft is what we witnessed last saturday a 20 year old man with a rifle climbs on and then crawls across the roof of a building a mere 130 yards away from trump
[00:17:21] are you kidding that's keystone cops level incompetency spectator saw the man for several minutes crawling his way into position 26 minutes to be exact the warning uh to both local and federal police officers about what was happening and nothing was done yeah i know one cop supposedly
[00:17:37] tried to pull himself up on the roof the bad guy pointed his gun at him and he fell off the ladder why is the secret service why did the secret service reckon not recognize that rooftop as a high
[00:17:49] priority area and as agents posted there before people even started arriving in even amateur security people would have noticed and protected that vulnerable position to me this is chuck baldwin writing this is the single most glaring question in this entire episode to have not protected
[00:18:05] that position was in viselec to a magnitude that is off the charts i can easily understand why some people are saying that the secret service was told to stand down or deliberately leave this location unguarded it's hard to fathom a professional agency trained to protect
[00:18:20] america's presidential personnel showing themselves to be that inept but what if they really are that inept when trump's ear was grazed he instinctively grabbed his ear and dropped to the ground that would have been a very natural reaction that was a very natural reaction but
[00:18:35] what the secret service did next was more keystone cops stuff first it seemed to take forever for agents to get into position to protect trump we saw one secret service agent so befuddled she
[00:18:46] seemed to not have any idea as what to do at first she drew her sidearm then she fumbled around attempting to reholster her sidearm indecision lack of training unprofessionalism and the rest of the agents simply huddled around trump at the base of the podium
[00:19:01] the podium holding the lectern was quite narrow bodies including trump were exposed to any further shots or shooters question why did trump why did they keep trump on the stage for so long
[00:19:13] it was almost a full minute before they tried to escort him off the stage in that situation a minute was an eternity and then when did they attempt to take him out of the area
[00:19:24] when you know if that one sniper hadn't shot him if that one's shooter if that one sniper hadn't shot him he could have been there shooting for a minute at exactly exactly and when they did
[00:19:36] finally decide to take him out of the area the six foot three inch tall trump was standing up with his head as an orange hair fully exposed to the public as he shook his fist in the air
[00:19:47] completely wide open he was the most wide open of anybody on that stage even while they were supposedly protecting him and getting him to safety well another thing that chuck balvin
[00:19:57] brought up in that article which i would recommend that you probably ought to run it on our chuck baldwin live dot com you can find it but yes yeah we ought to probably run on our blog roll but
[00:20:07] he chuck baldwin has gotten death threats before and he has a pulpit that it takes four men to move and that's because it is lined on the inside with kevlar to make it bulletproof
[00:20:19] i really doubt that trump's pulpit had or uh stand uh speech stand had that if that guy had just been shooting through the stand he probably would have hit trump again this is this type of stuff
[00:20:33] you know with all of the death threats that trump has been getting not just from you know random loose cannons on the internet but from media people like the people on the view and whatnot
[00:20:45] like this why are they not taking the precaution of for example having a uh a stand that has kevlar lining or something like that makes it bulletproof this is you know uh somebody is not using their
[00:21:00] head and it's either because they really don't care to use their head or de i has dumbed down the um you know the alphabet agencies to such an extent that we just you know can no longer
[00:21:15] rely upon them to do their duty all right i'm working on guest right now uh as we are live i would just say quickly just a quick departure from this we are going to cover the selection of
[00:21:29] jd vance the nomination of jd vance as trump's running mate uh in the third hour we'll touch on the g.o.p convention this week by the way if you want to know what it was like or what it would be
[00:21:41] like if you attended a g.o.p convention the r.n.c convention i have an article up about that when i was there in 2016 it is a freewheeling article about all of my experiences there in cleveland
[00:21:57] we encourage you to check it out at the political cesspool dot org so much more to come on the convention and the selection of jd vance in the third hour so stay tuned for that and by the way i was
[00:22:09] in the room when trump gave his first acceptance speech i was in the arena it was the quick and loans arena in cleveland ohio we actually had unrestricted access to that convention i mean
[00:22:18] we couldn't go into trump's dressing room well i don't know how to try but we could go everywhere else the media could go and anyway it was it was interesting it was a different kind of speech
[00:22:27] back then than what we saw this week uh you know i also noticed keith i gotta work this in very quickly the adl and the splc were awfully quiet about what happened in pennsylvania last weekend there is still
[00:22:40] nothing on the splc's side about the attempt of assassination of the former and most likely soon to be next president of the united states i guess there was no hate involved in an assassination
[00:22:52] attempt the adl did write about it but only that they believe that this attempt will cause a dramatic spike in anti-semitism uh so that's what you're getting at where with mathy crooks jewish i don't
[00:23:05] think so so that's uh what you've got uh from those two i i was it was interested to see i mean surely if an assassination attempt isn't born out of some sort of ill will uh what is but now they
[00:23:20] they couldn't be bothered to write about anything like that on i think what they do if they write it's like they took joe scarber off of the uh tv for a couple of days because they knew they couldn't
[00:23:30] rely on him giving an objective reply or observation about the whole thing that he would just come out and say uh that he wished the guy had was a better shot or something like that see that
[00:23:43] that's look at the people on the view for example that's the type of reaction you get from we're going to talk about that man we're going to talk about that in the next hour exactly right Keith
[00:23:54] we're going to talk about how this is the dna of the left now i'm not saying that this kid was a leftist i mean every anti-race gun don't know if that's everything you've read about him has been
[00:24:08] changed yes that was printed it was also printed that he tried out for the rifle team now just since we've gone on the air tonight there's a new york post article saying he didn't try out
[00:24:17] for the rifle team all right so they change it supposedly he was a republican who donated to bide they don't know anything about it all right or at least if they do they haven't reported it uh so
[00:24:27] we don't know anything we don't know anything about motive or who he was and the but we do have to take a break that way we do yeah that's right if it was dylan roof
[00:24:36] what within a couple of hours they had it out that he had been to the council of conservatives citizens website supposedly yeah that's right well anyway we don't know we don't know
[00:24:46] but we are taking it in face value that he was the shooter and we'll be right back after this break your daily liberty newswire you're listening to liberty news radio summer is upon us and the weather is beautiful everyone has a favorite outdoor activity golf
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[00:30:22] could we find to do that than gary bern gary bern served in federal law enforcement for nearly 30 years in the u.s. air force security police the uniformed division of the secret service and
[00:30:35] most recently as a federal air marshal in his first book the number one new york times best seller crisis of character he shared his experiences as the first secret service employee compelled to
[00:30:46] testify in a criminal case against a sitting u.s president that was of course bill clinton gary great to have you back tonight how are you i'm fine thank you it's nice to be here again
[00:30:56] thank you we say again because gary and i had a wonderful conversation in 2016 at the aforementioned republican national convention he was there on radio roan we talked about his book crisis of character if you're wondering though what a uniformed division officer or agent does in the secret
[00:31:13] service this is if i'm not mistaken this is the division gary of the united states secret service that uh... is your duty was to protect facilities and venues secured for protectees we're talking about this would have been your beat am i right right exactly so
[00:31:32] the main job of the uniform division is if you look at video or photograph of the white house excuse me where they all the uniformed security president outside inside the secret service uniform division holds all the fixed post it internally in the white house externally
[00:31:49] you know the the agent excuse me the agent detail you know moves with the president and when the president goes out of town or or overseas or whatever the uniform division man these posts 24-7 they also do the bomb
[00:32:05] sniffing dogs the counter sniper which has become very famous and then they also have a crime scene unit in washington dc uh... they do all the metal detectors for the president so that's
[00:32:19] their main job is they do actually in some way they do more protection than the agent side does so well let me gary if you don't mind just very quickly for the audience by the way
[00:32:30] you have two books out we could spend an hour on either of them will mention them in a moment but when you were in the secret service uh... what were your duties what were your
[00:32:41] what were the things so what are your what were your times so when you first get there you work that you work the outside of the white house you work the perimeter you work all you know all
[00:32:50] three shifts you kind of earn your dues pay your dues so to speak and then after a while you can volunteer for a few jobs so there were two jobs that i one job that i really want was to learn
[00:33:02] to be trained and learn the workouts of the oval office which eventually i did get but before that i had to drive the bomb truck which is exactly what it sounds like you drive a pickup
[00:33:13] truck with a big trailer on it and has a bomb disposal unit on it and if they find a explosive device or what they think it is they put it in this thing and then the driver would be me
[00:33:23] and you would drive it to the old football stadium and either wait for the guys to disarm it or you would just you know just integrate with the weapon so anyway that was my first job at the
[00:33:33] white house and then i learned i worked out by the oval office so all right so again ladies and gentlemen we are talking to a former secret service agent i again a lot of theories out there as to
[00:33:46] what did or didn't happen the reasons how it could have happened uh we've got a retired secret service agent on the air right now so gary let me ask you this and then to Keith
[00:33:56] Alexander who asked some great questions for you we were talking about him during the commercial but all right former secret service agent what happened last week what happened last week was a combination of incompetence and underman incompetent management not the individual officers and agents
[00:34:19] but just a series of decade after decade of really poor management style and and they always fall back on that's the way we've always done it the secret service traditionally works their
[00:34:29] employees into the ground if they need a hundred agents or officers to do something they send 50 or 60 and they just work them night and day they traditionally have done that it has blown up
[00:34:41] in their faces many times but one of the things they're really good at is hiding behind the name secret service which has no more legality to be secret than the Bureau of Engraving and
[00:34:51] Printing it's just a word you know and um so what you saw with the one of the reasons I wrote the second book secret to the secret service was to get the message out that the secret service is
[00:35:04] good men and people good men and women it's a very important job but it has all the problems of the postal service in the IRS and then and then some and what you saw was poor
[00:35:15] communications they didn't assign those counter sniper units to that detail to the day before they need 24 hours to do a pre-advance in the smallest of venues it was poor management decision and one of the things that leads to that is excuse me uh that leads to
[00:35:43] one of the things that leads to these problems is that um they have so many layers of management you've got the director you've got the deputy director you've got the assistant deputy directors
[00:35:52] we've probably when I left there was like 18 or 19 of them and then you have the sacks underneath there's a special agent sardine field office and then there's deputy sacks there's if anybody
[00:36:05] in the secret service ever tried to tell us the truth of what happened they won't even know what it is because there's so many levels in an argument and every time you try to change it
[00:36:14] they fight you on it it's insane kerry this is keith elec zander let me ask you this they apparently have a training academy for secret service service agents is that correct yes because then they train
[00:36:27] the uniform division officer and the aid um local team academy it's in uh it's near belfield marilane yes well what are the primary tasks that they teach you about in that academy like
[00:36:41] you said you protect the president in the white house grounds and whatnot what else do you do and in what order of priority so for the agents the agent's main job is is protection but they're they're
[00:36:53] stationed all over the country actually in some cases actually all over the world they have field offices um in other countries but the main thing that they do besides protection the agents is counterfeit you know counterfeiting money they're fighting counterfeit they also do credit card
[00:37:11] fraud phone fraud and i think they also have their hand in human trafficking these days but um and that's one of the issues too you could be a secret service agent in um in detroit michigan
[00:37:27] and um working out a fraud case or any any kind of case and you get a phone call then you know in the middle of the night um you have to go to florida because the president's going to florida
[00:37:38] in two days and then they drop that case and um not drop it but they have to set it aside and so it's not really getting investigated properly but back to the training they're trained to do protection
[00:37:50] they they do is the training that you get in the secret service is unbelievable most people when they graduate either an agent or an officer we usually feel like we've been over trained and then when you get on the job you have to deal with the
[00:38:04] boredom it's a lot of boredom you know 99 percent of what people know about the secret service comes from tv and movies and and that's not really what happens it's 99 percent boredom and then there's a little bit excitement what happened to president trump unfortunately was the height of
[00:38:18] the excitement you know because of this incompetence because of all this bad communication because of last minute planning on the part of the secret service and what looks like that they were moving resources away from the trump details to other details because of that we ended up almost
[00:38:36] watching uh donald trump be murdered on tv i mean it was a fraction of yeah fraction of an edge keith one more question okay um now has there been a decline in the quality of the services prepared
[00:38:50] done by the secret service lately and if so i what's the cause in your opinion is it's having anything to do with political appointees or lack of resources or what so lack of resources is
[00:39:06] one and and when i say lack of resources in other words they they're they're they're so under man that they they're picking in what i hear from my co-workers that still work there is
[00:39:17] former co-workers is that they're they have to pick and choose when they use these resources because they're they can't keep employees because of their bad management style and as far as political appointees believe it or not it wasn't too bad in the secret service when i was there
[00:39:34] there's been a few this this director now is a political pointy in my opinion now she was a former secret service agent and then he left uh retired and got a private student job and then came back
[00:39:46] and the reason he came back was he was on president joe but his vice president joe biden's detail and this is directly from people in the secret service at the time and then after she got
[00:39:58] rehired she was on the detail she was responsible for when hunter biden got in a fight with his dead brother's ex-wife and um he pulled a gun on her supposedly and then allegedly and then
[00:40:13] after he passed out from uh using drugs he took the gun and threw it in the dumpster a couple days later she he found out where the gun was he went to the secret service and they went
[00:40:25] to the dumpster of course the trash a bit dumped and then they they sent secret service agents to retrieve the gun from the dump and um and they did and that endeared this person to
[00:40:36] the biden family so when they needed the director they went back to her and they brought her back that's what people tell me in the secret service and that's what they believe ladies and gentlemen
[00:40:46] just a reminder we are talking right now with gary bern formally a secret service agent he wrote the number one with the bullet new york times bestselling book crisis of character a white house secret service officer discloses his firsthand experience with hillary bill and how they operate
[00:41:07] he was right there uh with these two and wow what a book we talked about it in cleveland i told i talked to you earlier today gary eight years ago it didn't seem like it was that long time
[00:41:18] does fly gary also the author of secrets of the secret service the history and the uncertain future of the u.s secret service as i said folks we could talk a full hour and it would be time
[00:41:31] very well spent about either of these books but check them out at amazon secrets of the secret service and crisis of character both by former secret service agent gary bern gary i gotta ask
[00:41:41] you though you're keeping your ear to the ground with this this was uh your former profession a trained agent in the protective detail uh paul craig roberts a friend of ours a guest on this program
[00:41:52] former secretary of the treasury and the assistant secretary thank you keith of the treasury under ronald reagan uh he wrote this in one of his recent columns the question of the unsecured buildings from which the intended assassin fire it has produced a dispute between the secret
[00:42:09] service and local police secret service claims the neglected shooting positions were the responsibility of the local police the local police say they are merely the ordered around adjuncts of the secret service who are the ones in charge let's assume that the local police were responsible for the
[00:42:24] security of the nearby sites why did not the secret service check if the police performed their alleged duty the greatest puzzle in the near assassins unencumbered access uh the greatest puzzle is the near assassins unencumbered access to perfect spots for successful
[00:42:42] assassination you say it's they're overworked they're under staff there is some incompetence going on but i mean this seems to be a glaringly obvious place i mean this was a wide open field with not a lot of places to hide this is a one-story metal structure within direct
[00:42:57] sight line of president trump and quite frankly it looks like the best perch for an assassin would be assassin in fact the only really good perch for one what do you make of it now you're
[00:43:09] 100 right and and the person that wrote that article is right listen i've been on in the 13 years i was there i've been on probably 75 to 100 of these trips or more and i'm telling you it is
[00:43:25] we do use the local law enforcement but to even suggest that it was their responsibility um like they're doing is completely false the reason it happened like it did it went down because they had so few secret service employees there they didn't have the extra manpower to
[00:43:43] should be somebody an agent and an agent or an officer with the local police department and the fact that they were the building that the police were actually in the local police were
[00:43:53] in the counter sniper guys didn't know they were in there and if they did it also well they knew that they were in the area and um and this guy is allowed to climb up from the building the
[00:44:07] ladder that he used was only a hundred feet around the corner from the ladder that they used to get up on the building after the shooting it all fall back to the secret service and and like
[00:44:18] i said they're going to do whatever they have to to protect their reputation and their budget and and and in this case they're protecting what looks like pressure from the current presidential administration on the secret service don't forget less than less only a few months ago
[00:44:35] eight members of congress demanded that joe biden forced the secret service to drop their protection of donald trump that's unheard of yes it's uncomplicated they had that benny thompson bill that said that if you're convicted of a felony you don't get protection anymore this is a big
[00:44:49] point to bring up so yes i mean you've got all of trump's enemies responsible for his protection to some extent gary listen the secret service protected um uh l linden bane johnson's wife
[00:45:02] for 20 almost 25 years after he died and then they're going to turn around because you know this this is the problem and it's not trump fault but this is the problem with these people they suffer from trump derangement syndrome and they become unhanged and the ideal that they wanted
[00:45:18] to take protection away from him is insane and i mean we're still to protect him brock obama and he's done some questionable things hillary clinton admitted you know the director the former director of fbi told us he was a complete criminal that she destroyed documents she's
[00:45:34] discord classified information classified information on a on an unsecured computer and she's sitting up in new york somewhere right now you know resting her legs it's it's thing all right keith very quickly and i've got a couple of final questions we got a lot to cover in
[00:45:50] 10 minutes what type of what type of training or background checking in what not did they do on the police from what i hear the police went up a ladder the shooter saw them pointed the gun at him
[00:46:02] and they fell down the ladder it sounds like barn make barney five looked like rambo well i think a better question would be i mean you trust that the local police are competent i guess in
[00:46:12] these situations when you're right working with other agencies interagency cooperation but i guess my question would be why was this structure not within the area under the secret services purview this was outside of their protective areas but it was the best no that's the thing that's the thing
[00:46:30] it wasn't the only reason it was because they didn't have the manpower to protect your that building was 100% inside their zones but they didn't have the manpower to secure it and back to the local
[00:46:42] person they had one they had you know that was the best sniper perch and anybody you know you don't have to be a genius to figure that one out well they that you know they had him sided in but look
[00:46:53] so you're saying it's just that simple they there's some incompetence going on some political appointees these are trump's enemies in charge and and they didn't have enough manpower but now
[00:47:03] let me ask you this some news that come out today that the suspect had a drone he had flown a drone my question is you think of all of the trained men paramilitants terrorists people who have
[00:47:22] training in tactics and maneuvers and deployment and how many people would love to get a shot out ahead of state but this guy just wanders in climbs up a building to a perfect spot
[00:47:32] wide open how much luck would this tip to the assassin have to encounter in order to pull off what he did was it that's what happened without any complexity of authorities right so it is locked but also
[00:47:46] too going back to the the manpower and the local police listen local police are always a great resource okay but that's the that's part of my point about the lack of manpower there should
[00:47:57] have been a secret service agent with them directing them listen you know is the roof secure can you get two guys up on the roof the problem is that whoever was in charge of that
[00:48:05] detail and i'm not saying listen nobody encountered sniper and none of these agents or other officers are to blame directly the blame goes back to the director's office and the seven levels or at least of management in between i'm telling you there's so many levels of management they've
[00:48:23] they got a deputy assistant director for copyright rink and post it notes it's insane that you know and of course i'm kind of joking but that's how crazy it is you know and and it's just
[00:48:34] a complete failure it's one of the reasons i wrote the second book i didn't predict what happened i was afraid it would happen and and you know it goes down to the counter sniper guys again they had
[00:48:48] they were assigned the day before and even right now after all this nobody in the secret services come out and said how many actual teams of counter sniper were because for each team you need to
[00:48:58] response people because it doesn't do any good to spot something if you can't somebody send somebody to it and the other thing i'd like to point out is is the counter sniper guys that saw this guy
[00:49:09] this is where the confusion comes in because there's not enough agents with the with the local police there's not enough communications they thought that he was local police he was
[00:49:18] dressed similar to him he had all right i saw some of the local police guys they looked like they had regular hunter camo on and whatnot i mean right gary this is an important thing i was going to
[00:49:28] ask you about this because there's a lot of documentation that this this individual was reported as a suspicious person nearly an hour before the event reports suggest the secret service had him sort of locked in about a half hour before the shots were taken why were they
[00:49:44] not able to act and neutralize this uh or get him under control before he was shot is there a rules of engagement with regards to taking the first now here or no what's going on there
[00:49:57] no so the sniper guys like any police officer nobody tells you when to shoot the federal law enforcement all law enforcement is is is governed when it comes to the use of force is governed
[00:50:08] by the department of justice guidelines for the use of force it starts with verbal commands it goes all the way up to deadly force none of those guys all they had to do was articulate i saw a
[00:50:18] man on the roof boom i shot him but the problem was that they for at least a while they thought he was a local police they weren't sure and and the other thing too is is there also there also guided by
[00:50:31] the trains they get and this should have been a slam dunk but because they're so poorly manned and there's so few you know again they didn't have enough people to go um
[00:50:44] look at this guy after they shot him it was the local law enforcement you know they were well they're also but not important poorly managed to that's just uh at least it seems to me
[00:50:53] that's really absolutely it goes back to the director's office and the and the huge amount of deputy directors deputy assistant director special agent chartered assistant special agent chartered deputy you know it's just insane do they have anything to do with setting up the stage for the
[00:51:12] speaker for example chuck Baldwin who is a kind of famous person uh is a preacher and he says that he has a uh pulpit that takes four men to move because it's lined with kevlar i noticed that
[00:51:28] trump went down below but if that was just um you know plywood you know that he would be sitting down if that guy had not been killed they could have just blasted through that and gotten
[00:51:38] trough yeah so so uh good question so two things on the stage that you need to be aware of that that speaking pulpit is is hardened that's that's what i can say about it and then in front of that
[00:51:53] that little wall that you see that's got like you know fourth of july decorations on it that's also reinforced and that's why when the shot started you know the shot started
[00:52:04] trump grabs his ear when he gets hit and goes down and they jumped on him in place because they're partially protected you know the podium is reinforced and that and that little wall is
[00:52:15] interesting so it was i understand yeah yes sir because if you go back and watch the video a couple times the agents bounce into it and if that was a regular podium it had flown right
[00:52:26] off the stage but you could see it rocks back and and right you know holds itself up so all right well that that's interesting that was something that uh pastor balton was unaware of and and
[00:52:36] thank you for the clarification there gary so basically a former secret service agent telling us right now that it did just come down to understaffed poor preparation poor management and uh if you want to read and you should crisis of character you can find it anywhere books are
[00:52:51] sold by gary burn a white house secret service officer discloses his first-hand experience with hillary bill and how they operate being a secret service agent during the clinton administration must have been a story to tell thankfully gary told the story indeed and also get his other book
[00:53:06] secrets of the secret service the history and uncertain future of the u.s secret service gary final word to you before the music starts anything we didn't ask you that you feel as though you
[00:53:15] need to convey to the audience no i just want to convey one thing is when i talk about this incompetence i'm not talking about the individual officers technicians you know one of the things
[00:53:26] i always say when an incident happens like this i want somebody in congress to force the director to tell her how many hours every agent and officer there how many hours have they worked in the
[00:53:37] last 30 days when was the last time they got a day off when was the last time they were granted vacation they'd work them into the ground i and i really something that resonated with me is
[00:53:49] that you're saying that the secret service if you think of the problems that you have with the postal service you can transfer those to the secret service and people wouldn't expect our attend people wouldn't expect that but you expect the secret service to be infallible
[00:54:03] well that's because they march right go ahead because people's people's knowledge is basically for movies and tv that's part of the problem i tell you what if you want to watch a great
[00:54:14] movie about the secret service in the line of fire with clinton eastwood that's a good one john malkovich yeah you like that one that's a big hit with the service
[00:54:25] what am i favorite wow wow hey what about favoring for appointing gary burns to be in charge of the presidential candidate protection gary burns for head of the secret service you heard it right
[00:54:36] here gary thank you for being back with us tonight and we'll try to do it again within the next 10 years god bless you and thanks for giving us your informed opinion tonight we'll talk to you again get his books folks