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[00:00:28] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to not just another live broadcast of TPC, but to the first one of 2025.
[00:00:38] We made it, ladies and gentlemen, and we are kicking off this new year of broadcasting with a bang.
[00:00:44] Right now, as the legendary Ron Unz makes his debut appearance during this opening hour of our first show of 2025.
[00:00:53] And wanting to take full advantage of that time, I'm going to go straight into his most impressive introduction.
[00:01:00] His bio, A Theoretical Physicist by Training, Ron Unz serves as the founder and the chairman of Unz.org,
[00:01:07] a content archiving website providing free access to many hundreds of thousands of articles from prominent periodicals of the last 150 years.
[00:01:15] He's also the editor-in-chief of the Unz Review.
[00:01:17] From 2007 to 2013, he served as the publisher of the American Conservative Magazine
[00:01:22] and had previously served as the chairman of Wall Street Analytics Incorporated,
[00:01:27] a financial services software company which he founded in New York City in 1987.
[00:01:33] Ron holds, excuse me, an undergraduate and graduate degrees from Harvard University, Cambridge University, and Stanford University,
[00:01:40] and is a past first place winner in the Intel Westinghouse Science Talent Search.
[00:01:45] He was born in Los Angeles in 1961, right before the Beach Boys made it big.
[00:01:52] Welcome, Ron Unz.
[00:01:53] It's an honor to have you tonight.
[00:01:55] Hey, great to be here.
[00:01:57] Well, I will tell you that your website, The Unz Review, is an information clearinghouse like none other.
[00:02:02] You publish everyone there from my good friends and regular guests, Jared Taylor and Kevin McDonald,
[00:02:07] to people like Andrew Anglin and everyone in between.
[00:02:09] I value all of my guests.
[00:02:12] I mean, every guest we've ever interviewed on this program has risked something.
[00:02:15] They've accomplished something noteworthy.
[00:02:18] They are interesting.
[00:02:19] They have something thoughtful to say.
[00:02:20] They have skin in the game.
[00:02:22] But they don't always...
[00:02:23] Well, that too, and they don't always have a background like yours,
[00:02:26] considering that most impressive pedigree.
[00:02:30] How did you arrive at this terminus?
[00:02:32] Well, I mean, I've always been somebody very interested in public policy issues over the decades.
[00:02:37] And, you know, again, I'd followed the mainstream media, really, my entire life.
[00:02:41] I mean, it's probably been, oh, really 45 years or so since I've been reading The New York Times.
[00:02:47] And, you know, I'd always sort of assume that when you read enough of these different mainstream publications
[00:02:53] and you apply some logical reasoning, some thought,
[00:02:57] you can really get a fairly good picture of reality in most issues.
[00:03:01] And over the last couple of decades, I really was shocked to discover that that's not at all the case.
[00:03:07] In fact, you know, a lot of it was obviously the growth of the Internet.
[00:03:10] I mean, before the Internet came along,
[00:03:13] most of us really were limited to what we saw on television
[00:03:17] or what we read in newspapers or magazines.
[00:03:20] And, you know, if all of them said the same thing,
[00:03:23] we sort of assumed that that was probably reality.
[00:03:27] And, you know, then, I mean, with a lot of the things with the 9-11 attacks,
[00:03:31] with the Iraq War, with Saddam's weapons of mass destruction not really being there,
[00:03:36] I started getting more and more suspicious about the picture our media was presenting
[00:03:41] of the world around us.
[00:03:43] And that actually tied in a little bit with that project I had,
[00:03:47] which was to digitize the old archives of most of America's most influential publications
[00:03:53] over the last 150 years and make it available on the Internet to people.
[00:03:57] And when I started going through some of those publications, it was just shocking.
[00:04:02] I mean, to see that the world of 50 years ago or 100 years ago,
[00:04:07] you know, in the newspapers and the magazines of the Times,
[00:04:09] the most prestigious outlets,
[00:04:11] was so totally different than what I'd imagined it to be,
[00:04:15] based on the classes or the media that I read.
[00:04:19] I mean, you know, again, it's very strange when you come across
[00:04:22] some of the most extremely prominent public intellectuals in America 100 years ago.
[00:04:28] I mean, people who published in the most important periodicals we have.
[00:04:33] And you discover you'd never heard of them in your entire life.
[00:04:36] And it's just not one of them, it's many of them.
[00:04:39] So, you know, gradually...
[00:04:41] Sorry, go ahead.
[00:04:42] Well, I was just going to say, pardon the interruption,
[00:04:44] you have not just brought some of these back to life,
[00:04:47] breathed life back into some of these publications.
[00:04:50] You've also created your own.
[00:04:53] You have, of course, nearly 1,000 pieces in your own name,
[00:04:57] your interviews, your writings at UnsReview,
[00:04:59] in addition to all of these others.
[00:05:00] You must have an energy level of everything that you put in there.
[00:05:05] And people like Charles Beard and Harry Elmer Barnes,
[00:05:07] I never knew about them.
[00:05:09] Exactly.
[00:05:09] Those are exactly the sort of names I'm talking about.
[00:05:12] Again, I mean, when you read all of these magazines,
[00:05:14] and, you know, we're talking about the New Republic,
[00:05:16] the New York Times, the Atlantic Month.
[00:05:19] I mean, these are, you know,
[00:05:20] the most prestigious publications in America 100 years ago.
[00:05:23] And, I mean, there really was a great purge in American society
[00:05:27] not long after the great purge in the Soviet Union.
[00:05:31] We didn't shoot our intellectuals.
[00:05:33] We didn't send them to the Gulag.
[00:05:35] But we just, we basically just had them completely blocked
[00:05:40] from access to the mainstream media.
[00:05:42] So after 10 or 20 years, people forgot that they existed.
[00:05:46] I mean, Harry Elmer Barnes is a perfect example of that.
[00:05:48] Or John T. Flynn, or so many other figures
[00:05:51] who've now probably been totally forgotten
[00:05:54] by almost American, all of American society.
[00:05:56] And when you start going through the historical events back then,
[00:06:00] you really discover that the perceptions of those events
[00:06:04] by the people at the time who had the closest connection to them,
[00:06:09] who saw what was happening,
[00:06:10] is totally different than the perception you get
[00:06:13] by reading our newspapers today or taking college classes.
[00:06:17] And as you know, of course, perspectives change as time marches on.
[00:06:21] And this actually leads me to a question I wanted to ask you.
[00:06:24] After our first break in a couple of minutes,
[00:06:26] I want to come back with three contemporary topics.
[00:06:29] The apparent demise of the, what do you want to call it,
[00:06:33] establishment media, legacy media, controlled media.
[00:06:36] I'll get your take on that.
[00:06:38] But with regard to perspective,
[00:06:39] one of the things you've done in your career,
[00:06:41] we mentioned in your introduction a moment ago,
[00:06:44] is you were the publisher of the American Conservatives.
[00:06:46] So you worked with Pat.
[00:06:47] I mean, this was,
[00:06:50] what are your memories from those years in the late 2000s
[00:06:53] and the early years of the previous decade?
[00:06:56] It seems a world apart now from where we are in 2025.
[00:07:00] Oh, very much so.
[00:07:01] In other words,
[00:07:02] the whole reason I ended up really joining the American Conservatives
[00:07:06] and sort of, you know, helping it out financially for a while
[00:07:09] was obviously the, you know, was the Iraq war.
[00:07:12] In other words, I was extremely concerned
[00:07:15] over our foreign policy and what we were getting ourselves into.
[00:07:18] And really, almost all the mainstream media publications back then,
[00:07:22] left and right, went along with those policies.
[00:07:25] And, you know, basically Pat Buchanan's American Conservative
[00:07:28] was one of the very, very few exceptions.
[00:07:31] And I felt it was important that it, you know, be maintained,
[00:07:35] that, you know, have as much of a voice as possible.
[00:07:37] And so I was really, at that time,
[00:07:39] I was much more heavily involved in my software work.
[00:07:42] So I was out in California,
[00:07:44] and I really only spent typically a few minutes a week
[00:07:47] checking in with the publications
[00:07:49] while, you know, helping it out a little bit financially as the publisher.
[00:07:52] But then probably around 2010 or 2011,
[00:07:57] with my software project having been more or less completed,
[00:08:00] I ended up then starting to do a lot of writing of my own.
[00:08:03] And really, it was very nice having a venue for my work to appear.
[00:08:08] So really, I ended up starting to write quite a number of major articles.
[00:08:11] In fact, the series that I've probably been most closely identified with
[00:08:15] over the last decade or so has been the American Providence series,
[00:08:19] which basically goes through a lot of historical cases of the last century or so,
[00:08:25] and shows that what people nowadays believe happen
[00:08:29] is sometimes very, very different than what actually happened.
[00:08:32] And the first of those articles, called Our American Providence,
[00:08:36] was actually published in the American Conservative at the time.
[00:08:39] And I just went through a lot of these facts that I'd gleaned
[00:08:43] from the Internet, from websites,
[00:08:45] and from all these publications that I digitized,
[00:08:48] showing that, you know, what we knew about the Second World War,
[00:08:51] what we knew about the 1930s,
[00:08:53] what we knew about the 1920s,
[00:08:55] what we knew about so many of the other era
[00:08:58] are really very, very different
[00:09:01] than what seems to have really happened during that period.
[00:09:03] And, you know, it's a shocking thing.
[00:09:05] I've always been, in many respects,
[00:09:07] a very sort of mainstream person, in my views.
[00:09:09] And to suddenly discover such a large fraction
[00:09:14] of everything you assumed to be true,
[00:09:16] your entire adult life,
[00:09:19] was probably false, was probably distorted,
[00:09:21] was probably fictional.
[00:09:23] I mean, that really takes quite a lot of adjusting.
[00:09:26] And so, you know, I think that's been true
[00:09:28] for more and more of us over the last 10 or 20 years.
[00:09:30] I mean, we've been discovering that more and more
[00:09:33] of the things we believed in
[00:09:35] just didn't happen that way.
[00:09:37] Well, you know, Ron, this is Keith.
[00:09:41] Your articles on 9-11,
[00:09:44] on the Kennedy, the John Kennedy assassination,
[00:09:47] on the Robert Kennedy assassination,
[00:09:49] on, you know, just all of these things
[00:09:52] have been real eye-openers to me.
[00:09:53] I'm so glad that you've got those things out and about.
[00:09:57] The thing that amazes me on our foreign policy
[00:10:00] is how many of these so-called neoconservatives
[00:10:03] and whatnot burn incense at the shrine
[00:10:06] of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers,
[00:10:08] but none of them seem to have learned anything
[00:10:12] about what the Founding Fathers thought
[00:10:14] about our foreign policy.
[00:10:16] Well, it's a very, very difficult position
[00:10:18] we're in right now.
[00:10:19] In other words, you know,
[00:10:21] the neocons, or whatever you want to call that grouping,
[00:10:23] have essentially taken control
[00:10:25] over the last 20 or 30 years
[00:10:27] of both major political parties.
[00:10:29] And so it's a very, very difficult position.
[00:10:33] In other words, you know,
[00:10:34] you have someone, for example,
[00:10:35] like Obama in office,
[00:10:37] who comes in promising to reverse
[00:10:39] all of George Bush's policies,
[00:10:41] George W. Bush's policies.
[00:10:43] And, you know, he certainly reverses some of them,
[00:10:45] especially having to do with...
[00:10:47] Ron, hold on.
[00:10:48] Pardon this interruption.
[00:10:49] We have to take a quick break,
[00:10:51] but we will be right back.
[00:10:52] And we will continue this conversation
[00:10:53] on neoconservatism
[00:10:54] and where that movement stands now
[00:10:56] in light of the incoming administration
[00:10:58] and the changes we've seen
[00:10:59] in the age of Trump.
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[00:13:11] We're back live, ladies and gentlemen,
[00:13:13] with the great Ron Unz
[00:13:15] making his debut appearance tonight
[00:13:17] on the first hour of the first show of 2025.
[00:13:20] Reading more from his bio,
[00:13:23] he has long been deeply interested
[00:13:24] in public policy issues
[00:13:25] and his writings on issues
[00:13:27] of immigration, race, ethnicity,
[00:13:29] and social policy
[00:13:30] have appeared in the New York Times,
[00:13:31] the Wall Street Journal,
[00:13:32] Commentary of the Nation,
[00:13:34] and numerous other publications.
[00:13:36] As I told Ron a moment ago
[00:13:37] in anticipation of his interview
[00:13:39] this evening with us,
[00:13:41] the emails have been coming in.
[00:13:43] I'll read just one here
[00:13:44] from a listener in South Dakota.
[00:13:46] Hello, James.
[00:13:47] Ron Unz will be a great guest.
[00:13:49] I've been reading his website
[00:13:50] for several years
[00:13:51] and have seen a set of interviews
[00:13:52] he did on Iranian media
[00:13:54] that cover topics ranging
[00:13:56] from 9-11 to the Holocaust.
[00:13:57] He's definitely the real deal
[00:13:59] when it comes to free speech,
[00:14:00] and he's one of a handful
[00:14:01] of anti-Zionist Jews in the media.
[00:14:03] Thank you for having him on.
[00:14:05] Well, we thank him.
[00:14:06] We thank him for coming on.
[00:14:07] And, Ron, there's three things
[00:14:09] I want to touch on
[00:14:09] in this segment very quickly,
[00:14:11] but first I want to, by all means,
[00:14:12] give you the opportunity
[00:14:13] to continue your thoughts
[00:14:14] before the break
[00:14:15] on neoconservatism.
[00:14:17] Well, I was just really saying
[00:14:19] that, you know,
[00:14:19] over the last 20 or 30 years,
[00:14:21] the neocons have taken control
[00:14:23] of both political parties in America.
[00:14:26] So you have, for example,
[00:14:27] Bush being replaced by Obama,
[00:14:29] who promises to reverse
[00:14:31] all of his policies,
[00:14:32] but he continues
[00:14:32] a lot of the neoconservative policies.
[00:14:34] In other words,
[00:14:35] he kept Obama's defense secretary,
[00:14:37] he kept Bush's defense secretary,
[00:14:39] he kept Bush's chairman
[00:14:41] of the Federal Reserve,
[00:14:42] he kept Bush's,
[00:14:44] I mean, basically,
[00:14:45] he kept Bush's treasury secretary,
[00:14:47] really promoted him.
[00:14:48] So, and then you have Trump
[00:14:50] coming in and bringing in
[00:14:51] a different group of neocons
[00:14:52] to replace the Obama neocons.
[00:14:54] Biden comes in
[00:14:56] and brings in the Biden neocons.
[00:14:57] And, you know,
[00:14:58] this time people really thought
[00:15:00] Trump's second term
[00:15:01] would be entirely different.
[00:15:03] And maybe it will be.
[00:15:04] But, I mean,
[00:15:05] except for Tulsi Gabbard,
[00:15:07] most of the other people
[00:15:08] he's bringing in
[00:15:09] seem to be very much lined up
[00:15:11] with the neoconservative
[00:15:12] foreign policy.
[00:15:13] In other words,
[00:15:14] people thought that Trump
[00:15:15] would end the Ukraine war,
[00:15:17] which has been such a disaster
[00:15:18] for the United States.
[00:15:19] But, you know,
[00:15:20] now there's talk of basically
[00:15:21] the funding continuing.
[00:15:23] And so, you know,
[00:15:24] it's just very unfortunate
[00:15:25] that people vote
[00:15:26] for different candidates,
[00:15:28] but sometimes tend to get
[00:15:30] exactly the same policies
[00:15:31] no matter who wins.
[00:15:33] Yeah, it's strange
[00:15:35] that the neoconservatives
[00:15:37] have been in power
[00:15:38] since the Clinton administration
[00:15:40] and the Clean Break memorandum
[00:15:42] of Wolfowitz and Frum
[00:15:45] and others, Douglas Fythe.
[00:15:48] There doesn't seem to be
[00:15:49] any deviation
[00:15:51] between the Republicans
[00:15:52] and the Democrats.
[00:15:53] We always were the biggest
[00:15:55] cheerleaders for foreign wars
[00:15:56] we've ever been.
[00:15:57] And, of course,
[00:15:57] the Founding Fathers
[00:15:58] were dead set against foreign wars.
[00:16:01] Well, we'll see if that,
[00:16:02] and we'll see where it goes from here.
[00:16:03] I think, you know,
[00:16:04] we have always taken that position
[00:16:06] about from George Wallace
[00:16:08] to Buchanan
[00:16:09] about the duopoly.
[00:16:10] But there are some differences now
[00:16:13] in this age of wokedom.
[00:16:14] But I think...
[00:16:17] Well, let's just ask...
[00:16:18] As Wallace had said
[00:16:18] that the difference
[00:16:19] between the Republicans
[00:16:20] and the Democrats
[00:16:20] was the difference
[00:16:21] between Tweedledum
[00:16:22] and Tweedledee.
[00:16:22] And, of course,
[00:16:23] you know,
[00:16:23] we had a great interview
[00:16:24] with his son,
[00:16:25] you know,
[00:16:25] a few years back.
[00:16:26] Very eye-opening.
[00:16:27] But anyway,
[00:16:28] I want to ask...
[00:16:28] These are the three things
[00:16:29] I want to cover
[00:16:30] before we hit
[00:16:31] the bottom of the hour break,
[00:16:32] Ron.
[00:16:33] And I'm going to just read
[00:16:34] three excerpts,
[00:16:36] three paragraphs,
[00:16:37] three different paragraphs,
[00:16:38] and I'll have you respond
[00:16:38] to each in turn
[00:16:40] and get your opinion on this
[00:16:41] because you're certainly
[00:16:42] well-suited to deliver it.
[00:16:43] The first excerpt
[00:16:45] I'm going to read
[00:16:47] is this.
[00:16:48] The ecosystem
[00:16:48] of news media
[00:16:50] has been cracking
[00:16:50] for two decades,
[00:16:51] but in 2024
[00:16:52] it fully fell apart.
[00:16:54] We've...
[00:16:55] While we've become
[00:16:55] accustomed to the bloodletting
[00:16:57] of constant layoffs
[00:16:58] and legacy newsrooms,
[00:16:59] and that's still happening,
[00:17:00] by the way,
[00:17:01] we're now seeing
[00:17:01] premium talent
[00:17:02] ditching their jobs
[00:17:03] to start podcasts
[00:17:05] and YouTube channels.
[00:17:06] It really is remarkable.
[00:17:08] So, Ron,
[00:17:09] the question to you is,
[00:17:09] and you've been
[00:17:10] such a key figure in this,
[00:17:11] as our network owner here,
[00:17:14] Sam Bushman,
[00:17:14] has said for years,
[00:17:15] I've heard him give
[00:17:16] this speech many times,
[00:17:17] the new media
[00:17:17] is beginning to take
[00:17:18] center stage.
[00:17:19] The question for you is,
[00:17:20] was 2024 the year
[00:17:22] the media fell apart?
[00:17:24] Well, I think the media
[00:17:25] is in terribly sharp decline.
[00:17:27] I mean,
[00:17:27] from what I've heard is,
[00:17:28] you know,
[00:17:28] some of these
[00:17:29] individual podcast channels
[00:17:30] on YouTube
[00:17:32] get more traffic
[00:17:33] than, for example,
[00:17:34] CNN or MSNBC.
[00:17:36] I mean, you know...
[00:17:37] Prime-time programming.
[00:17:38] Sure, exactly.
[00:17:39] So, you know,
[00:17:40] it's the sort of thing.
[00:17:40] I think more and more
[00:17:42] people are just
[00:17:42] getting fed up
[00:17:43] with the tremendous lies
[00:17:45] that they're being given
[00:17:47] every day
[00:17:48] by the mainstream media.
[00:17:49] I mean, you know,
[00:17:50] even if you go back
[00:17:50] a few years ago,
[00:17:51] when Trump ran in 2016,
[00:17:53] he was opposed
[00:17:55] by probably 99%
[00:17:57] of the mainstream media.
[00:17:59] He was outspent massively
[00:18:01] by Hillary Clinton,
[00:18:02] and he still ended up winning
[00:18:04] because people
[00:18:05] were so fed up
[00:18:06] with the established
[00:18:07] political system.
[00:18:08] And now, I mean,
[00:18:10] the same thing
[00:18:10] happened this time.
[00:18:11] I think probably...
[00:18:12] I doubt that there were
[00:18:13] more than a tiny handful
[00:18:14] of major media outlets
[00:18:16] that supported Trump
[00:18:17] this time,
[00:18:18] and he ended up winning
[00:18:19] a very convincing victory.
[00:18:20] I mean,
[00:18:21] a much wider victory
[00:18:22] than anybody expected
[00:18:23] because people basically
[00:18:25] are so fed up
[00:18:26] with the established
[00:18:28] political bureaucracy
[00:18:30] of both parties.
[00:18:32] And, you know,
[00:18:32] I mean,
[00:18:33] the one concern I have
[00:18:34] is that Trump
[00:18:34] seems to be appointing
[00:18:35] a lot of people
[00:18:36] who seem to come
[00:18:38] very much from that wing,
[00:18:40] that establishment wing
[00:18:41] of the Republican Party,
[00:18:42] which is not what I think
[00:18:43] a lot of his voters
[00:18:44] have been hoping for.
[00:18:46] He's getting a lot of war hawks
[00:18:48] in foreign policy positions, too.
[00:18:50] Well, that was definitely
[00:18:51] one of the concerns
[00:18:54] was that he could push
[00:18:55] through a war
[00:18:56] that Kamala Harris
[00:18:56] never could.
[00:18:57] And we'll see
[00:18:58] if that actually
[00:18:59] is what plays out
[00:19:00] or if some of the things
[00:19:01] that we voted for him to do,
[00:19:03] like the mass deportations
[00:19:04] actually happen.
[00:19:06] I mean,
[00:19:06] I think whatever issues
[00:19:09] he might have not
[00:19:10] been perfect on,
[00:19:11] she was much worse
[00:19:12] across the board.
[00:19:12] So we'll see.
[00:19:13] I mean,
[00:19:13] I certainly voted for him.
[00:19:14] But here's another thing.
[00:19:16] And it's still, though,
[00:19:17] I don't think,
[00:19:18] whatever his shortcomings
[00:19:19] may be,
[00:19:19] and they do exist.
[00:19:20] There's no doubt about that.
[00:19:22] But there are still
[00:19:23] trends in place now.
[00:19:25] And whether he was
[00:19:26] the inadvertent cause
[00:19:27] of them
[00:19:27] or just rolling along
[00:19:29] on top of the tide
[00:19:31] with the rest of us,
[00:19:31] this is the next paragraph
[00:19:33] I'd love to have
[00:19:34] your response to.
[00:19:35] It was bound to happen.
[00:19:37] Pendulums swing,
[00:19:38] and this pendulum
[00:19:39] is swinging pretty hard.
[00:19:41] DEI programs
[00:19:42] adopted at C-suite levels
[00:19:44] at media
[00:19:45] and entertainment companies
[00:19:46] are in retreat
[00:19:47] across the board.
[00:19:48] Some executives quit
[00:19:49] in frustration
[00:19:50] after concluding
[00:19:50] there was no real support
[00:19:51] for prioritizing diversity
[00:19:53] while other companies
[00:19:54] cut departments
[00:19:55] and positions
[00:19:56] as part of their
[00:19:56] broader layoffs.
[00:19:58] So have we seen now
[00:19:59] that...
[00:19:59] Is that a change without...
[00:20:00] Is that a distinction
[00:20:01] without a difference
[00:20:02] or is there really
[00:20:03] a change in those executives?
[00:20:05] Well, has DEI...
[00:20:05] I don't care about that so much.
[00:20:07] Has DEI hit the wall?
[00:20:09] Well, I think...
[00:20:10] I mean, some of the policies
[00:20:11] proposed were so totally crazy
[00:20:13] in the aftermath
[00:20:13] of the Black Lives Matter movement,
[00:20:16] which, you know,
[00:20:17] is where a lot of these
[00:20:18] DEI policies were,
[00:20:19] you know,
[00:20:20] driven and promoted.
[00:20:21] I think there's naturally
[00:20:23] a swing in the other direction.
[00:20:24] You know, it's a question
[00:20:25] of like how strong it is
[00:20:27] and whether, you know,
[00:20:29] these policies
[00:20:30] simply are going underground
[00:20:31] at a lot of these corporations,
[00:20:33] you know,
[00:20:34] as they have sometimes
[00:20:34] in the past.
[00:20:36] While, you know,
[00:20:37] the surface features change,
[00:20:38] maybe the policies
[00:20:39] still continue.
[00:20:40] But I mean,
[00:20:40] you know,
[00:20:40] I certainly agree
[00:20:41] that there's a huge
[00:20:43] popular backlash
[00:20:44] against these policies
[00:20:44] and I mean,
[00:20:45] I think one reason
[00:20:46] Donald Trump
[00:20:47] ended up getting re-elected
[00:20:48] despite the massive opposition
[00:20:50] from the establishment
[00:20:51] of both parties
[00:20:52] was the tremendous
[00:20:55] unpopularity
[00:20:55] of those policies
[00:20:57] and the whole wokeness movement.
[00:20:59] All right.
[00:21:00] Now, let me ask you this.
[00:21:01] This will be the last thing
[00:21:02] I wanted to touch on
[00:21:03] and then we're going
[00:21:04] to transition into
[00:21:05] a singular topic
[00:21:06] for the last half
[00:21:07] of this interview.
[00:21:09] So let's look at Elon Musk.
[00:21:11] Hard not to mention him
[00:21:12] for reasons mostly good,
[00:21:14] but last weekend
[00:21:16] a little bit more
[00:21:16] of a head-scratcher
[00:21:17] or last week rather.
[00:21:19] Elon Musk hijacked
[00:21:20] British politics this week
[00:21:21] with a stream
[00:21:21] of at least 60 Twitter posts
[00:21:24] or ex-posts
[00:21:25] since Tuesday
[00:21:26] attacking Prime Minister
[00:21:27] Keir Starmer
[00:21:28] defending an anti-Islam campaigner
[00:21:30] and endorsing
[00:21:31] the far-right Reform Party.
[00:21:32] Now, of course,
[00:21:33] I'm reading from
[00:21:33] establishment media organs here.
[00:21:35] These are their words,
[00:21:36] not mine.
[00:21:37] But it continues,
[00:21:38] the right-hand man
[00:21:39] to America's next president
[00:21:40] has gone after
[00:21:41] the leaders of several
[00:21:42] of its closest allies
[00:21:43] in recent months,
[00:21:44] but his fight
[00:21:45] with the British government
[00:21:46] is turning into
[00:21:46] the nastiest yet.
[00:21:48] So, you know, Ron,
[00:21:49] so oftentimes
[00:21:50] you have people,
[00:21:51] I don't know if it's just
[00:21:52] people on the right
[00:21:53] because that's the only side
[00:21:54] I've ever been on
[00:21:55] or if this is just
[00:21:56] human nature.
[00:21:57] You're only as good
[00:21:58] as the last thing
[00:21:58] you've done.
[00:21:59] There's no balance.
[00:22:00] There is no,
[00:22:02] we won't remember
[00:22:04] all of the things
[00:22:05] you've done that we like.
[00:22:07] It's just the one thing
[00:22:08] we can find
[00:22:08] that we didn't like.
[00:22:10] And so this thing
[00:22:11] with the H-1B visas,
[00:22:12] I mean,
[00:22:12] that was not a good look
[00:22:13] for Musk,
[00:22:14] in my opinion.
[00:22:15] But then you have
[00:22:16] this thing,
[00:22:16] he's firing off tweets
[00:22:17] about the rape
[00:22:18] of white girls
[00:22:19] by Muslim gangs
[00:22:20] in the UK.
[00:22:20] And it's just,
[00:22:22] again,
[00:22:22] I think to an extent
[00:22:23] just the trends
[00:22:24] that are now prevalent.
[00:22:28] But do you see this
[00:22:30] and his influence
[00:22:31] on the administration
[00:22:31] for better or worse?
[00:22:33] Is this potentially
[00:22:34] a realignment
[00:22:35] taking place
[00:22:36] or is this a flash in the pan?
[00:22:38] The more things change,
[00:22:39] the more they stay the same.
[00:22:40] Well,
[00:22:41] it's hard to say.
[00:22:42] I mean,
[00:22:42] I certainly would agree
[00:22:43] with some of Musk's positions
[00:22:45] and probably disagree
[00:22:46] with some others.
[00:22:47] With regard to Keir Stormer,
[00:22:49] Stormer's incredibly unpopular
[00:22:51] in Britain.
[00:22:51] I mean,
[00:22:52] he basically got fewer votes
[00:22:54] getting re-elected
[00:22:55] than the previous
[00:22:56] Labour Party chief
[00:22:57] had when he lost.
[00:22:59] And,
[00:23:00] you know,
[00:23:00] again,
[00:23:01] I mean,
[00:23:01] the Labour Party
[00:23:02] is not at all doing well.
[00:23:03] It's just that
[00:23:03] the Conservative Party,
[00:23:05] the sort of other
[00:23:05] mainstream opposition party,
[00:23:06] has totally collapsed.
[00:23:08] So,
[00:23:08] Musk seems to be pushing
[00:23:09] the Reform Party,
[00:23:11] which is sort of
[00:23:11] a third
[00:23:13] new populist party,
[00:23:14] and trying to get it
[00:23:16] into orbit
[00:23:16] where,
[00:23:17] you know,
[00:23:17] maybe it would have
[00:23:18] actually a chance
[00:23:19] of forming
[00:23:19] a British government.
[00:23:20] But,
[00:23:21] I mean,
[00:23:21] in terms of
[00:23:21] attacking Keir Stormer,
[00:23:23] I think an awful lot
[00:23:24] of British people
[00:23:25] would be cheering
[00:23:26] Musk on for that,
[00:23:28] given Stormer's
[00:23:29] tremendous unpopularity,
[00:23:30] not only among
[00:23:31] Conservatives,
[00:23:32] but also among
[00:23:33] much of his Labour base.
[00:23:35] I mean,
[00:23:35] he's basically
[00:23:36] exactly the sort of
[00:23:37] establishment
[00:23:38] democratic politician,
[00:23:39] the equivalent of,
[00:23:41] for example,
[00:23:41] a Joseph Biden
[00:23:42] or a Kamala Harris,
[00:23:43] neither of whom
[00:23:44] were very popular
[00:23:45] among Democrats,
[00:23:46] which is why
[00:23:47] Harris ended up
[00:23:48] losing.
[00:23:50] All right,
[00:23:50] so I guess
[00:23:51] to sum this all up,
[00:23:53] do you believe
[00:23:55] that we are
[00:23:56] currently in the midst
[00:23:57] of a sea change,
[00:23:58] or is this just
[00:23:59] a changing of
[00:24:00] window dressings?
[00:24:01] I think we're
[00:24:03] heading towards
[00:24:04] potentially a
[00:24:05] dramatic change
[00:24:06] in not only
[00:24:07] the United States,
[00:24:08] but, I mean,
[00:24:09] in really Western
[00:24:10] civilization as a whole.
[00:24:12] Very interesting.
[00:24:12] What we have done
[00:24:14] is so reckless
[00:24:16] and illogical
[00:24:18] with regard to
[00:24:18] Russia,
[00:24:19] with regard to
[00:24:20] China,
[00:24:21] with regard to
[00:24:21] our foreign
[00:24:21] policy,
[00:24:23] and I think
[00:24:23] our financial base
[00:24:24] is very fragile
[00:24:26] right now.
[00:24:27] That was a
[00:24:28] perfect answer
[00:24:29] to end that
[00:24:30] segment on
[00:24:30] are the things,
[00:24:31] and there are
[00:24:31] good things
[00:24:32] happening.
[00:24:32] I am the
[00:24:33] eternal glasses
[00:24:34] half-full type.
[00:24:35] So many times
[00:24:36] they don't seem
[00:24:37] to really translate
[00:24:39] into real change.
[00:24:39] It's been our
[00:24:40] history in recent
[00:24:41] decades.
[00:24:41] It's a lot of
[00:24:42] fool's gold,
[00:24:42] but I am not
[00:24:43] so certain,
[00:24:44] even though all
[00:24:45] my youthful
[00:24:46] naivete has been
[00:24:47] zapped,
[00:24:47] that there are
[00:24:48] not good things
[00:24:48] happening here
[00:24:49] for real.
[00:24:49] We'll be right
[00:24:50] back with Ron
[00:24:50] on.
[00:24:51] Pursuing liberty,
[00:24:52] using the
[00:24:53] Constitution as
[00:24:54] our guide.
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[00:25:00] News this hour
[00:25:02] from townhall.com.
[00:25:03] I'm Jason
[00:25:04] Walker.
[00:25:04] Following a
[00:25:05] relatively mild
[00:25:06] December around
[00:25:08] the country,
[00:25:08] now, winter
[00:25:09] is coming on
[00:25:10] with a vengeance.
[00:25:11] This morning
[00:25:12] international falls
[00:25:13] 14 degrees
[00:25:13] below zero.
[00:25:14] Chicago is a
[00:25:15] little warmer.
[00:25:16] Temperatures are
[00:25:16] only in the lower
[00:25:17] teens.
[00:25:18] Minneapolis,
[00:25:18] temperatures are
[00:25:19] right around zero.
[00:25:20] So very cold air
[00:25:21] across parts of
[00:25:22] the Dakotas,
[00:25:22] Minnesota,
[00:25:23] Wisconsin,
[00:25:23] Iowa.
[00:25:24] Pretty typical
[00:25:25] temperatures for
[00:25:26] a very cold air
[00:25:27] mass at the
[00:25:28] moment.
[00:25:28] Not a lot of
[00:25:29] records there.
[00:25:29] Bob Orovac,
[00:25:30] lead forecaster
[00:25:31] with the
[00:25:32] National Weather
[00:25:32] service.
[00:25:33] A lot of cold
[00:25:33] air in place
[00:25:34] across the
[00:25:34] country.
[00:25:35] It's really
[00:25:35] setting up the
[00:25:36] potential for
[00:25:37] a pretty,
[00:25:37] very impactful
[00:25:38] storm anywhere
[00:25:39] from the
[00:25:39] Plains into
[00:25:40] the lower
[00:25:41] Missouri Valley,
[00:25:42] Mississippi Valley,
[00:25:43] Ohio Valley,
[00:25:44] and eventually
[00:25:44] into the East
[00:25:45] United States
[00:25:46] over the next
[00:25:46] several days.
[00:25:47] Also,
[00:25:48] a townhall.com
[00:25:50] six-day state
[00:25:51] funeral has
[00:25:52] begun in
[00:25:53] Georgia.
[00:25:53] Here in Plains,
[00:25:54] Georgia,
[00:25:55] hundreds of
[00:25:55] people gathered
[00:25:56] to pay their
[00:25:56] respects to
[00:25:57] former President
[00:25:58] Jimmy Carter
[00:25:59] here in the
[00:26:00] small town
[00:26:01] where he grew
[00:26:01] up and spent
[00:26:02] much of his
[00:26:02] life.
[00:26:03] Families waved
[00:26:05] American flags
[00:26:05] and handmade
[00:26:06] signs and
[00:26:07] watched quietly
[00:26:08] as the hearse
[00:26:09] carrying the
[00:26:10] former president's
[00:26:11] body passed
[00:26:12] through his
[00:26:12] town and headed
[00:26:13] on towards
[00:26:14] the family farm
[00:26:15] where he grew
[00:26:15] up.
[00:26:16] In Plains,
[00:26:17] Georgia,
[00:26:18] I'm Kate Payne.
[00:26:19] There are a lot
[00:26:20] of angry people
[00:26:21] in New York
[00:26:22] right now.
[00:26:23] They waved
[00:26:24] the Big Apple
[00:26:25] and it's going
[00:26:25] to cost them.
[00:26:26] New York's
[00:26:27] plan to
[00:26:28] charge
[00:26:28] drivers
[00:26:29] an additional
[00:26:30] fee to
[00:26:31] enter the
[00:26:31] center of
[00:26:32] Manhattan
[00:26:32] set to
[00:26:33] take effect
[00:26:34] tomorrow.
[00:26:34] The goals
[00:26:35] of what's
[00:26:36] known as
[00:26:36] congestion
[00:26:37] pricing are
[00:26:38] to reduce
[00:26:39] gridlock and
[00:26:39] raise revenue
[00:26:40] for the
[00:26:41] region's
[00:26:41] transit system.
[00:26:42] Governor
[00:26:43] Kathy Hochul
[00:26:43] saying this
[00:26:44] week the
[00:26:44] state is
[00:26:45] pushing forward
[00:26:45] with the
[00:26:46] plan.
[00:26:46] That means
[00:26:47] most motorists
[00:26:48] can expect
[00:26:49] an additional
[00:26:50] nine dollar
[00:26:51] charge on
[00:26:52] their easy
[00:26:52] pass if they
[00:26:54] drive into
[00:26:54] Manhattan's
[00:26:55] business district.
[00:26:57] More on
[00:26:57] these stories
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[00:30:12] Kicking off this
[00:30:13] broadcasting year with
[00:30:15] Ron Unz, well, I don't
[00:30:17] know any other way I would
[00:30:18] want to do it, Keith
[00:30:19] Alexander.
[00:30:19] I've got to give you the
[00:30:20] opportunity to say this
[00:30:21] very quickly before we
[00:30:22] transition here.
[00:30:23] When I told you we were
[00:30:25] having dinner the other
[00:30:26] night at a little
[00:30:27] restaurant near the
[00:30:28] studio before last week's
[00:30:30] show, and I said, I
[00:30:31] think Ron Unz might come
[00:30:32] on the show here pretty
[00:30:33] soon, and well, you
[00:30:35] were so excited you
[00:30:36] left twice the tip.
[00:30:39] Yeah, you know that
[00:30:40] was cataclysmic, right?
[00:30:43] That's a life-changing
[00:30:44] event for me.
[00:30:45] But you are, in fact,
[00:30:47] well, a well-deserved
[00:30:49] admirer of our guest here
[00:30:50] tonight.
[00:30:51] And you're not the only
[00:30:52] one.
[00:30:52] Look, he's just, he's
[00:30:54] in a league by himself,
[00:30:56] really, in terms of the
[00:30:57] quality and the actual
[00:30:59] number of articles he
[00:31:01] gets.
[00:31:01] Everything is covered
[00:31:03] there.
[00:31:03] Well, I'm going to read
[00:31:04] from the masthead here,
[00:31:06] the Unz review and
[00:31:07] alternative media
[00:31:08] selection, a collection of
[00:31:09] interesting, important,
[00:31:10] and controversial
[00:31:11] perspectives, largely
[00:31:13] excluded from the
[00:31:13] American mainstream
[00:31:14] media.
[00:31:15] I mean, that's putting it
[00:31:17] quite modest, frankly.
[00:31:18] I don't know of any
[00:31:18] other site that has that
[00:31:19] much content to offer.
[00:31:20] You could vacation
[00:31:21] there.
[00:31:22] He has more content in
[00:31:23] one day than most
[00:31:25] podcasts have in a month
[00:31:26] or two months.
[00:31:27] I don't want to
[00:31:27] embarrass our guest, but
[00:31:28] I will share this behind
[00:31:30] the scenes story.
[00:31:32] So I probably spent more
[00:31:33] time at the post office
[00:31:34] in December than I did
[00:31:36] at home.
[00:31:37] God knows.
[00:31:38] And I was coming home
[00:31:39] from the post office one
[00:31:40] day last week and I
[00:31:40] called Jared, Jared
[00:31:41] Taylor.
[00:31:42] And we were talking and I
[00:31:43] just said, hey, I think
[00:31:45] Ron Unz is going to come
[00:31:46] on the show.
[00:31:47] And he said, and his
[00:31:48] voice perked up.
[00:31:49] This is Jared, who still
[00:31:50] to this day has more
[00:31:51] appearances on this
[00:31:51] program than any other
[00:31:52] guest.
[00:31:52] He said, he is a
[00:31:54] national treasure.
[00:31:55] He's great.
[00:31:55] If you could find an
[00:31:57] issue that you disagreed
[00:31:59] with him on, he would
[00:31:59] still beat you in a
[00:32:01] debate.
[00:32:01] And if you didn't know
[00:32:02] about an issue, he would
[00:32:03] make you a true believer.
[00:32:05] I can't praise him
[00:32:05] highly enough.
[00:32:06] So that's the kind of
[00:32:07] that's who we're talking
[00:32:08] to right now.
[00:32:09] And he's a guy that we
[00:32:10] could talk to about a lot
[00:32:11] of things.
[00:32:11] He's run for governor,
[00:32:13] been a leading advocate
[00:32:14] both for and against
[00:32:15] certain ballot
[00:32:15] initiatives in
[00:32:16] California.
[00:32:18] Renaissance man
[00:32:19] and absolutely
[00:32:20] fearless.
[00:32:21] He does everything.
[00:32:22] Now everybody knows.
[00:32:23] But if you didn't know,
[00:32:24] we wanted to be sure
[00:32:25] to tell you.
[00:32:26] But all of that being
[00:32:27] said, Ron, what issues
[00:32:30] are you currently most
[00:32:31] interested in?
[00:32:32] I understand that you
[00:32:33] have a pretty big
[00:32:34] feature under your own
[00:32:36] name coming up, I
[00:32:37] believe, on Monday at
[00:32:38] the UNS Review.
[00:32:40] Exactly.
[00:32:41] Exactly.
[00:32:41] Now, you know, we're
[00:32:42] reaching now the fifth
[00:32:44] anniversary of the
[00:32:45] COVID epidemic, the
[00:32:47] global epidemic that
[00:32:48] probably killed 20,
[00:32:50] maybe 30 million
[00:32:51] people.
[00:32:51] It shut down the
[00:32:53] world.
[00:32:53] It caused gigantic
[00:32:55] lockdowns across the
[00:32:56] United States and the
[00:32:57] rest of the world.
[00:32:58] I mean, there are very
[00:32:59] few events of the last
[00:33:00] 100 years that probably
[00:33:03] had so much impact on
[00:33:04] our society and the
[00:33:06] rest of the world.
[00:33:07] And so, you know, it's
[00:33:08] just one thing that
[00:33:09] really surprised me.
[00:33:10] If you look, for
[00:33:11] example, at the New
[00:33:11] York Times, I mean,
[00:33:13] they've had virtually no
[00:33:14] coverage of the fifth
[00:33:15] anniversary right now.
[00:33:17] The Wall Street
[00:33:17] Journal has had one
[00:33:18] story.
[00:33:19] But, I mean, we're
[00:33:20] talking about a very
[00:33:21] important event.
[00:33:22] And, you know, partly
[00:33:23] because of that
[00:33:25] anniversary and partly
[00:33:26] because of, you know,
[00:33:27] just other things that
[00:33:28] have recently happened,
[00:33:29] I've gotten back into
[00:33:30] that issue.
[00:33:31] I mean, for a period of a
[00:33:32] couple of years, 2020,
[00:33:35] 2021, much of 2022,
[00:33:38] that had really been the
[00:33:39] main issue I'd focused on.
[00:33:41] I'd been writing a lot of
[00:33:42] articles on.
[00:33:43] And then, you know,
[00:33:44] obviously with the
[00:33:44] Ukraine-Russia conflict,
[00:33:46] with the Israel-Palestine
[00:33:48] conflict, you know, I've
[00:33:49] sort of shifted to other
[00:33:50] things.
[00:33:51] But, I mean, the
[00:33:52] COVID issue is a very,
[00:33:54] very important thing
[00:33:56] that impacted our
[00:33:57] society.
[00:33:58] And what's really
[00:33:59] shocked me is so many
[00:34:01] of the true facts of
[00:34:03] what happened in that
[00:34:04] epidemic have not
[00:34:05] gotten out there after
[00:34:07] five years.
[00:34:08] And so, you know,
[00:34:09] again, a couple of my
[00:34:09] articles recently dealt
[00:34:11] with some of those
[00:34:12] issues.
[00:34:12] For example, I'm not
[00:34:13] sure how many of your
[00:34:14] guests heard about it,
[00:34:15] but, you know, the
[00:34:16] Ukrainians assassinated a
[00:34:18] top Russian general,
[00:34:19] just a few weeks ago.
[00:34:21] I mean, lieutenant
[00:34:22] general, three-star
[00:34:22] general, the man who
[00:34:24] was in charge of
[00:34:25] biological warfare
[00:34:26] defense for Russia.
[00:34:28] I mean, a very
[00:34:29] significant figure.
[00:34:30] He was assassinated
[00:34:31] right outside his
[00:34:32] Moscow home.
[00:34:33] Nothing like that had
[00:34:34] ever happened during
[00:34:35] the Cold War.
[00:34:36] And a lot of people
[00:34:38] think one reason he
[00:34:39] was targeted for
[00:34:40] death was that after
[00:34:42] the Russian invasion
[00:34:43] of Ukraine, his
[00:34:44] organization had
[00:34:46] declared that there
[00:34:46] were a large number
[00:34:48] of American
[00:34:49] bio labs right on
[00:34:51] the Russian border
[00:34:52] in Ukraine that
[00:34:54] were developing
[00:34:54] illegal biological
[00:34:56] weapons, probably
[00:34:58] aimed at Russia.
[00:34:59] And, you know,
[00:35:00] that's a very, very
[00:35:01] dramatic charge to
[00:35:02] make.
[00:35:02] And it turns out
[00:35:03] Victoria Nuland,
[00:35:04] one of the leading
[00:35:05] neocons, when she
[00:35:06] was testifying before
[00:35:07] Congress, pretty much
[00:35:09] admitted that was the
[00:35:10] fact.
[00:35:10] In other words, she
[00:35:11] admitted the bio labs
[00:35:13] were there.
[00:35:13] She felt that they
[00:35:14] had very dangerous
[00:35:15] contents that the
[00:35:16] Russians might seize.
[00:35:17] And so that reinforced
[00:35:19] the accusations the
[00:35:20] Russians were making.
[00:35:21] Now, what's
[00:35:22] interesting is later
[00:35:23] that same year,
[00:35:26] Kirilov, the Russian
[00:35:28] general, had declared
[00:35:29] an even more dramatic
[00:35:31] charge.
[00:35:31] He basically came out
[00:35:33] in a press conference,
[00:35:34] and we're talking
[00:35:34] about Russia's top
[00:35:35] biological warfare
[00:35:37] defense general.
[00:35:39] He basically declared
[00:35:40] that he suspected
[00:35:42] that COVID, the, you
[00:35:44] know, virus that
[00:35:45] leaked out in Wuhan,
[00:35:46] was an American
[00:35:47] biological warfare
[00:35:49] weapon, a bioweapon,
[00:35:51] that had been used
[00:35:52] to attack China and
[00:35:54] other countries around
[00:35:55] the world.
[00:35:55] I mean, that was a
[00:35:56] very dramatic charge.
[00:35:57] Probably 99% of the
[00:36:00] people in the United
[00:36:00] States who became
[00:36:02] aware of what the
[00:36:03] Russians were saying
[00:36:03] on that thought that
[00:36:05] was the craziest thing
[00:36:06] they'd ever heard of.
[00:36:07] But that was actually
[00:36:08] something that I'd been
[00:36:10] writing about for more
[00:36:11] than two years by that
[00:36:13] point.
[00:36:13] I mean, the whole
[00:36:14] thing is, when the
[00:36:15] COVID epidemic began
[00:36:17] in Wuhan, in the first
[00:36:18] few days of January
[00:36:20] 2020, you know, again,
[00:36:22] nobody knew what was
[00:36:23] going on.
[00:36:24] A mysterious disease
[00:36:25] suddenly erupted in
[00:36:26] this large, shiny city.
[00:36:28] A city actually larger
[00:36:30] than New York City,
[00:36:31] but that very few
[00:36:32] Westerners had ever
[00:36:32] heard of.
[00:36:33] It's not Shanghai,
[00:36:34] it's not Beijing.
[00:36:35] So, you know, again,
[00:36:36] city of Wuhan.
[00:36:37] And, you know, again,
[00:36:38] nobody really knew
[00:36:39] what was going on.
[00:36:40] But then, as the
[00:36:41] information started
[00:36:42] coming out, in the
[00:36:43] mainstream media, but in
[00:36:45] drips and drabs, in such
[00:36:47] ways that most people
[00:36:48] didn't pay attention to
[00:36:49] it, I became more and
[00:36:51] more convinced that what
[00:36:52] had happened was a
[00:36:54] biological warfare attack,
[00:36:56] an illegal biological
[00:36:58] warfare attack by the
[00:36:59] United States against
[00:37:00] China.
[00:37:01] Now, that's something I
[00:37:03] think very, very few
[00:37:04] people in America are
[00:37:06] aware of.
[00:37:06] I mean, at the time,
[00:37:07] there was a tremendous
[00:37:08] amount of focus in a
[00:37:10] lot of the fringe media,
[00:37:12] right-wing press, even
[00:37:13] mainstream right-wing
[00:37:14] press, that COVID might
[00:37:16] be a Chinese bioweapon
[00:37:18] that had leaked from the
[00:37:20] Wuhan lab.
[00:37:21] I mean, that was, you
[00:37:21] know, talk of bioweapons
[00:37:23] got very much into the
[00:37:24] air, and there was a lot
[00:37:25] of discussion of that.
[00:37:26] But when you really look
[00:37:28] at the facts involved,
[00:37:29] when you check what
[00:37:30] really happened, I think
[00:37:31] there's a very good
[00:37:32] chance it was a
[00:37:33] biological weapon, it
[00:37:35] was a bioweapon, but it
[00:37:36] was an American bioweapon.
[00:37:38] What had happened was
[00:37:39] elements of the Trump
[00:37:40] administration had
[00:37:42] enlarged a biological
[00:37:44] warfare attack against
[00:37:45] China, hoping to
[00:37:47] debilitate what was our
[00:37:49] largest international
[00:37:51] global competitor.
[00:37:52] And the result ended up
[00:37:54] spreading around the
[00:37:55] rest of the world.
[00:37:56] Now, you know, again,
[00:37:57] those are dramatic
[00:37:58] charges to make, but
[00:37:59] some of the facts that
[00:38:00] are not very well known
[00:38:01] in the United States, I
[00:38:03] think, strongly
[00:38:03] reinforce those
[00:38:04] charges.
[00:38:05] First of all, again, the
[00:38:07] conventional scenario
[00:38:09] that's accepted by most
[00:38:10] of the media these days,
[00:38:12] and certainly virtually
[00:38:12] all of the conservative
[00:38:14] media, the anti-China
[00:38:15] media, is that Wuhan had
[00:38:17] a biological lab, the
[00:38:19] Wuhan lab, Wuhan
[00:38:21] Institute of Virology, and
[00:38:23] the virus had leaked out
[00:38:24] of that lab.
[00:38:25] The problem is, there's
[00:38:27] absolutely no evidence
[00:38:29] of any lab leak at that
[00:38:32] facility.
[00:38:33] In fact, one of the
[00:38:34] things that happened was
[00:38:35] there was a Western
[00:38:37] virologist who was
[00:38:38] working at the time, a
[00:38:39] woman named Daniel
[00:38:40] Anderson, from Australia
[00:38:43] originally.
[00:38:43] And she basically was
[00:38:45] interviewed about a year
[00:38:45] later and saying that
[00:38:46] there was absolutely no
[00:38:47] evidence of COVID having
[00:38:50] been at the Wuhan lab,
[00:38:51] there was no evidence of
[00:38:52] any sort of lab leak,
[00:38:54] there was no evidence of
[00:38:55] anybody there getting
[00:38:56] sick, there was nothing
[00:38:58] behind any of those
[00:38:59] intelligence reports.
[00:38:59] And so we have suddenly
[00:39:01] a virus appearing.
[00:39:02] Remember, in the early,
[00:39:04] in the late 2019 and
[00:39:06] early 2020, America and
[00:39:09] China were in an intense
[00:39:11] international confrontation.
[00:39:13] In other words, it was a
[00:39:14] very tense time between the
[00:39:15] two countries.
[00:39:16] And in that time, suddenly,
[00:39:19] a dangerous, mysterious
[00:39:20] virus appears in one of the
[00:39:22] largest cities in China.
[00:39:24] Now, a few people, you know,
[00:39:27] asked, well, what is sort of
[00:39:28] the evidence that, you know,
[00:39:30] America was involved in that?
[00:39:31] Now, it turns out, in late,
[00:39:34] most of the scientists who
[00:39:36] then looked at the
[00:39:37] procession of the virus
[00:39:38] agreed that the virus
[00:39:39] probably first appeared in
[00:39:41] Wuhan.
[00:39:41] Patient zero was first
[00:39:43] infected probably around
[00:39:45] late October, early November
[00:39:47] of 2019.
[00:39:49] That was when the epidemic
[00:39:50] actually started.
[00:39:51] Though it took a few weeks
[00:39:52] for it to become large
[00:39:53] enough for anybody to
[00:39:54] notice.
[00:39:55] Now, it turns out, in late
[00:39:57] October, Wuhan was the host
[00:39:59] to the international
[00:40:00] military games.
[00:40:02] And there were 300 American
[00:40:04] military servicemen in those
[00:40:07] games in the city of
[00:40:08] Wuhan.
[00:40:09] The viral epidemic broke
[00:40:10] out right after they were
[00:40:12] there and right after they
[00:40:13] left.
[00:40:14] Now, think to yourself, if
[00:40:15] 300 Chinese military
[00:40:17] servicemen were visiting
[00:40:19] the city of Chicago,
[00:40:21] Chicago, and immediately
[00:40:22] after they left, there was
[00:40:24] suddenly a mysterious viral
[00:40:26] epidemic that appeared in
[00:40:28] that city.
[00:40:29] Americans would naturally be
[00:40:30] extremely suspicious of what
[00:40:32] had happened.
[00:40:34] Like Legionnaire's disease.
[00:40:35] Exactly.
[00:40:36] Furthermore, when the virus
[00:40:38] first appeared in Wuhan, the
[00:40:40] main view on that...
[00:40:42] Oh, sorry.
[00:40:43] Are we going to a break?
[00:40:43] Yes, our last break, but I
[00:40:46] tell you what, when we come
[00:40:48] back, we're going to turn it
[00:40:49] right back over to you and let
[00:40:50] you go uninterrupted until we
[00:40:51] hit the wall at 8 o'clock
[00:40:54] Eastern time.
[00:40:54] Ron Unz, folks.
[00:40:55] And by the way, he has got a
[00:40:58] featured piece coming up on
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[00:43:11] One more segment with Ron Unz
[00:43:13] and I want to get right back to
[00:43:14] him on this topic of COVID.
[00:43:17] Of course, we all remember those
[00:43:19] days.
[00:43:19] I remember March of 2020.
[00:43:21] Ron just mentioned it's coming up
[00:43:22] on the five-year anniversary now.
[00:43:24] It's hard to believe that much
[00:43:25] time has passed.
[00:43:26] I knew when they canceled the
[00:43:27] NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament
[00:43:29] March Madness.
[00:43:30] Something was big.
[00:43:30] Something was up for sure.
[00:43:33] But and we covered it during those
[00:43:35] years, 2020, 2021.
[00:43:36] We covered it in terms of our
[00:43:39] commentary on the media and the
[00:43:41] government response to this.
[00:43:43] The mask mandates.
[00:43:44] You know, you had to wear your mask
[00:43:46] at the hostess station at a
[00:43:47] restaurant.
[00:43:47] But obviously, whatever it was
[00:43:49] couldn't spread as long as you
[00:43:51] were sitting down eating.
[00:43:52] I went to a theme park during
[00:43:53] those years.
[00:43:54] And you had to wear a mask if
[00:43:56] you were outside.
[00:43:56] But if you went into a packed
[00:43:57] restaurant, you could take the
[00:43:58] mask off as long as you were
[00:43:59] eating.
[00:44:01] Well, I mean, who knows?
[00:44:02] But I mean, the thing is, there
[00:44:03] was a book written by the
[00:44:04] Scottish journalist Charles
[00:44:06] McKay, who lived in the
[00:44:09] 1800s.
[00:44:10] Extraordinary popular delusions
[00:44:11] and the madness of crowds that
[00:44:13] kept coming to mind.
[00:44:14] And but you're hearing Ron Unz
[00:44:16] talk about it now in a way that
[00:44:18] we never did cover the origins
[00:44:20] of it all.
[00:44:21] And certainly that was all,
[00:44:23] I guess, best guess.
[00:44:25] The weapon.
[00:44:25] In fact, it may be a
[00:44:26] biological weapon.
[00:44:27] Back in 2020, 2021, I mean,
[00:44:29] you know, everybody had a
[00:44:30] theory on it.
[00:44:31] But this is very fascinating
[00:44:32] and very interesting.
[00:44:33] So we're going to give the rest
[00:44:34] of the time this hour to Ron
[00:44:36] uninterrupted.
[00:44:36] Mr. Unz, it's back to you.
[00:44:39] Sure.
[00:44:39] Great.
[00:44:39] Now, another example of what I'm
[00:44:41] talking about is there's
[00:44:42] something called the Crimson
[00:44:43] Contagion Exercise.
[00:44:46] America's state and federal
[00:44:48] authorities spent eight months
[00:44:50] preparing for the hypothetical
[00:44:53] appearance of a dangerous
[00:44:55] respiratory virus in China
[00:44:57] from January to August 2019.
[00:45:01] The virus appeared in Wuhan
[00:45:03] a few weeks later.
[00:45:04] So we spent a our government
[00:45:06] spent eight months preparing
[00:45:08] for the appearance of a virus
[00:45:11] in China.
[00:45:12] And then the virus.
[00:45:13] Coincidence.
[00:45:13] I mean, that's exactly the sort
[00:45:14] of foreknowledge.
[00:45:15] And when people hear something
[00:45:16] like the Crimson Contagion
[00:45:18] exercise, it sounds like a
[00:45:20] crazy conspiracy theory.
[00:45:22] The way I found out about it
[00:45:24] is on the front page of the
[00:45:26] New York Times.
[00:45:28] I mean, these facts have all
[00:45:29] been provided by the media,
[00:45:31] but nobody connects them.
[00:45:32] Here's another example.
[00:45:34] In November 2019, after the
[00:45:38] epidemic ended up hitting the
[00:45:40] United States very hard, our
[00:45:41] intelligence services tried to
[00:45:44] show that they were not the ones
[00:45:46] who had been asleep at the
[00:45:47] switch.
[00:45:48] And four separate intelligence
[00:45:50] officers provided ABC News with
[00:45:54] a leaked fact that our
[00:45:56] intelligence service, the
[00:45:57] Defense Intelligence Agency,
[00:45:59] had published a secret report
[00:46:01] and distributed to all our top
[00:46:03] leaders saying that there was a
[00:46:05] terrible cataclysmic disease
[00:46:08] epidemic taking place in the city
[00:46:11] of Wuhan.
[00:46:11] The problem is the report was
[00:46:14] published in the second week of
[00:46:16] November before there was an
[00:46:18] epidemic.
[00:46:19] The epidemic, the disease was
[00:46:21] already circulating in that city,
[00:46:23] but probably no more than 10 or
[00:46:25] 20 people were infected.
[00:46:27] They were starting to feel a little
[00:46:28] bit sick in a city of 11 million
[00:46:31] people.
[00:46:32] Nobody in the world could have
[00:46:33] known that the virus was
[00:46:35] circulating there except the
[00:46:37] people responsible.
[00:46:38] So in other words, the whole thing
[00:46:40] is I think that there's absolutely
[00:46:42] no chance that Donald Trump
[00:46:44] himself was aware of what was
[00:46:46] happening.
[00:46:46] But some of his subordinates, I
[00:46:49] think, simply decided to launch a
[00:46:51] bio-warfare attack against China
[00:46:53] to try to take down the Chinese
[00:46:56] regime.
[00:46:56] And the blowback from that botched
[00:46:59] bio-warfare attack ended up hitting
[00:47:02] the United States and the rest of the
[00:47:04] world.
[00:47:04] More than a million Americans died as
[00:47:07] a result of that botched bio-warfare
[00:47:09] attack.
[00:47:09] Let me give you one more example.
[00:47:11] And again, this is stuff that everybody
[00:47:13] knew at the time, but nobody connects
[00:47:15] it.
[00:47:16] Everybody knows that the disease first
[00:47:19] appeared in the city of Wuhan, China,
[00:47:21] then spread throughout the rest of
[00:47:22] China.
[00:47:23] China stamped it out fairly quickly,
[00:47:25] but it was a touch-and-go thing.
[00:47:27] When the disease then started to spread
[00:47:30] around the rest of the world, you
[00:47:31] know, naturally, it spread to some of
[00:47:33] the East Asian countries that were
[00:47:34] right next to China.
[00:47:36] It also spread to some places around
[00:47:38] the world that had very large Chinese
[00:47:41] populations because a few travelers had
[00:47:43] come back from China.
[00:47:44] But the second epicenter of the COVID
[00:47:47] outbreak worldwide was Iran.
[00:47:51] Iran's holy city of Gom was the
[00:47:54] second place that the disease appeared,
[00:47:56] and it hit their top leadership.
[00:47:58] The top leadership of Iran was infected
[00:48:02] with COVID right after, two or three weeks
[00:48:05] after America had assassinated Iran's top
[00:48:09] military commander.
[00:48:11] I mean, the coincidences we're talking
[00:48:13] about are so absurd that if these facts
[00:48:16] were widely reported in the mainstream
[00:48:18] media, everybody would know exactly
[00:48:20] what happened.
[00:48:21] So, you know, the problem was there was
[00:48:23] an intense cover-up at the time.
[00:48:25] In fact, there was an effort to pretend
[00:48:26] that the virus was natural.
[00:48:29] The virus basically was obviously
[00:48:32] bioengineered in the laboratory.
[00:48:34] There were accusations made that it was
[00:48:37] bioengineered in a Chinese laboratory,
[00:48:39] in the Wuhan lab.
[00:48:40] But the Wuhan lab had no capability
[00:48:43] of doing that sort of bioengineering,
[00:48:46] of inserting the fern cleavage site.
[00:48:48] And they had absolutely none of the
[00:48:49] technological skills.
[00:48:51] It was clearly an American virus
[00:48:53] that suddenly appeared in a Chinese city
[00:48:57] right after 300 American servicemen
[00:49:00] had visited that city.
[00:49:02] So, you know, the number of people
[00:49:04] probably involved in this attack
[00:49:05] was extremely small.
[00:49:07] We're talking about a rogue operation
[00:49:09] not involved or authorized by Donald Trump.
[00:49:13] But, I mean, basically that's what happened.
[00:49:15] And when we're talking about a virus
[00:49:17] that then caused years of suffering
[00:49:20] in the United States,
[00:49:21] destroyed many of America's small businesses,
[00:49:24] killed more than a million Americans,
[00:49:27] forced Americans to go through a year or two
[00:49:30] of widespread lockdowns,
[00:49:32] and that it was the result
[00:49:34] of an element of the American government
[00:49:38] launching a bio-warfare attack
[00:49:40] that was so badly botched
[00:49:42] that it hurt the United States
[00:49:44] more than it hurt the country of China.
[00:49:46] I mean, that's the sort of thing
[00:49:48] that if it became widely known in our society,
[00:49:51] I think would lead to regime change.
[00:49:53] And it's the sort of thing,
[00:49:55] nothing, the notion of something like this
[00:49:58] being covered up with tens of millions
[00:50:01] of people dying around the world
[00:50:02] with all of these simple facts.
[00:50:05] I mean, the fact that Iran and China
[00:50:07] were the two countries America
[00:50:08] was most hostile towards,
[00:50:10] and they were the two countries
[00:50:12] first hit by COVID.
[00:50:13] The fact that it appeared
[00:50:15] in the city of Wuhan
[00:50:16] right after 300 American servicemen
[00:50:19] had been there, you know,
[00:50:21] providing an opportunity
[00:50:22] for one or two intelligence operatives
[00:50:25] to be slipped in to spread the virus.
[00:50:27] The fact that the Defense Intelligence Agency
[00:50:30] was aware of the spreading epidemic
[00:50:33] in the city of Wuhan
[00:50:34] before anybody in China was aware of it.
[00:50:38] Facts like that, I think,
[00:50:39] make it very clear what really happened.
[00:50:42] And, you know, the fact that
[00:50:43] the American people are not aware
[00:50:45] of their suffering for five years
[00:50:47] being caused by an incompetent,
[00:50:51] incredibly reckless attack
[00:50:54] against China and Iran
[00:50:56] by their own government
[00:50:57] is really just remarkably shocking.
[00:50:59] And again,
[00:51:00] What do you think about the effect
[00:51:01] on the 2000 election in America?
[00:51:04] 2020, you mean?
[00:51:05] 2020 election.
[00:51:06] Well, I think it certainly had,
[00:51:08] you know, a major effect.
[00:51:10] In other words,
[00:51:10] I mean, the fact that
[00:51:11] there were all these lockdowns,
[00:51:12] all these local disasters,
[00:51:14] I mean, I think probably
[00:51:15] it, you know, hurt Trump
[00:51:16] and caused him
[00:51:17] probably much more likely to lose
[00:51:19] than he otherwise would have been.
[00:51:21] But, I mean, you know, again,
[00:51:23] I mean, I think the fact
[00:51:24] that so many Americans
[00:51:26] died from COVID,
[00:51:27] so many Americans
[00:51:28] suffered from COVID,
[00:51:29] and nobody right now
[00:51:31] is willing to look
[00:51:32] at what really happened
[00:51:33] is just shocking.
[00:51:34] This is the question
[00:51:35] with a minute remaining.
[00:51:36] And I hope we can do this again.
[00:51:37] Let me say that
[00:51:38] before we run out of time.
[00:51:39] Thank you so much
[00:51:40] for coming on with us tonight.
[00:51:41] We look forward
[00:51:42] to the next time already.
[00:51:43] But I would ask you this
[00:51:45] and remind people
[00:51:46] that at UNS.com,
[00:51:47] you will find his latest piece
[00:51:49] on this issue.
[00:51:50] And I know so many people
[00:51:51] are interested in it,
[00:51:52] so be sure to check that out
[00:51:54] on Monday.
[00:51:54] But, Ron,
[00:51:55] five years after COVID,
[00:51:57] why is this the issue
[00:51:58] that is getting your attention
[00:51:59] right now?
[00:52:01] Well, I mean, partly,
[00:52:02] you know,
[00:52:02] it's the fact that
[00:52:03] it never really was,
[00:52:04] you know,
[00:52:06] finally settled by the media.
[00:52:08] And, I mean,
[00:52:09] it's just, you know,
[00:52:10] the fact that something
[00:52:12] this dramatic
[00:52:13] has been covered up now
[00:52:14] for five years,
[00:52:16] successfully covered up,
[00:52:17] despite the overwhelming evidence,
[00:52:19] is just, you know,
[00:52:21] difficult for somebody
[00:52:22] to accept.
[00:52:24] That's an excellent answer.
[00:52:25] Yes, because I think
[00:52:26] you're right.
[00:52:27] Of all the things
[00:52:28] that Americans
[00:52:28] had to suffer through,
[00:52:29] all of the propaganda,
[00:52:31] all of the,
[00:52:32] you know,
[00:52:33] of course,
[00:52:33] in blue states
[00:52:34] and in blue enclaves,
[00:52:35] it was much worse
[00:52:36] than what we had here
[00:52:37] in rural red states.
[00:52:38] But everybody had to suffer
[00:52:40] in one way or another.
[00:52:41] And then it was just
[00:52:42] sort of like
[00:52:42] it never happened.
[00:52:43] It just kind of drifted away.
[00:52:45] But nobody ever
[00:52:46] paid the piper for it.
[00:52:47] And it had a death count
[00:52:48] second only
[00:52:49] to the Spanish flu,
[00:52:51] basically.
[00:52:52] Exactly.
[00:52:52] Exactly.
[00:52:53] Yeah.
[00:52:54] All right.
[00:52:55] Well, again,
[00:52:56] so what are they
[00:52:57] going to get on Monday?
[00:52:58] Oh, well,
[00:52:59] I'm just coming up
[00:53:00] with a new article.
[00:53:01] Actually,
[00:53:01] a researcher has,
[00:53:02] independent researcher
[00:53:03] has done quite a lot of,
[00:53:05] gathered together
[00:53:05] quite a lot of evidence
[00:53:06] on the bioengineering
[00:53:08] of COVID
[00:53:09] and which particular
[00:53:11] American scientists
[00:53:12] were probably involved
[00:53:13] in producing it,
[00:53:14] which labs
[00:53:14] were involved
[00:53:15] in producing it.
[00:53:16] So I'm covering
[00:53:17] some of that
[00:53:18] and then recapitulating
[00:53:19] a lot of the other evidence
[00:53:21] about, you know,
[00:53:22] how it then jumped
[00:53:23] from the American lab
[00:53:24] over to Wuhan, China.
[00:53:26] If you go to UNS.com,
[00:53:27] you can find it on Monday.
[00:53:28] And if you go to UNS.com,
[00:53:30] you might not come out.
[00:53:32] You will be enamored
[00:53:35] and you will be lost.
[00:53:36] A lot of clickbait there.
[00:53:37] You will be lost
[00:53:38] in content
[00:53:41] that proliferates
[00:53:42] in a way
[00:53:42] that it does not
[00:53:43] on really any other
[00:53:44] site on the web.
[00:53:45] And then, of course,
[00:53:45] his archive.
[00:53:46] That's a totally
[00:53:47] separate project,
[00:53:48] but not just current news,
[00:53:50] but the things
[00:53:50] that he has archived.
[00:53:51] Ron, final word to you
[00:53:52] as the music begins to play.
[00:53:55] Oh, well, anyway,
[00:53:57] great to be here
[00:53:58] and I'm glad that,
[00:53:59] you know,
[00:53:59] a lot of these issues
[00:54:00] are finally being discovered
[00:54:01] by the American people
[00:54:03] after, you know,
[00:54:04] decades of media cover-ups.
[00:54:06] Well, we look forward
[00:54:07] to staying in touch
[00:54:08] and thank you again
[00:54:08] for kicking off
[00:54:09] 2025 in grand fashion.
[00:54:11] We're really going to have
[00:54:12] to up our game
[00:54:13] the rest of the way.
[00:54:13] Keith, we've got
[00:54:17] 51 and three quarters
[00:54:18] and two thirds weeks
[00:54:20] left to go.
[00:54:20] We'll have to do some
[00:54:21] to get past this one.
[00:54:22] I'll tell you what,
[00:54:22] it's a great way
[00:54:23] to start it
[00:54:24] and thank you again, Ron.
[00:54:26] It's going to be
[00:54:26] a big year.
[00:54:28] I mean, with the
[00:54:28] incoming administration,
[00:54:29] a lot of things
[00:54:30] up in the air,
[00:54:31] a lot of things
[00:54:31] that could go well.
[00:54:33] It's been a long time
[00:54:34] since we had hope
[00:54:34] that some good things
[00:54:35] could happen
[00:54:36] and we've got it now
[00:54:37] and you'll have it
[00:54:37] at uns.com.
[00:54:38] Ron Uns, everybody,
[00:54:39] the great and good.
[00:54:41] We'll be back
[00:54:41] with our second
[00:54:42] and third hours next.
[00:54:43] Stay tuned.