The VATICAN, Devil Worship, Pagan Rituals, Possession, & Marxism Exposed w/ Michael Hichborn |EP873

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[00:04:19] There is some politics in this, but, you know, we love to cover a lot of topics that aren't politically driven. It doesn't matter what the topic is because we want to keep the show interesting for you. And, of course, a lot of you guys are concerned. We've seen it on social media. I mean, it's pretty crazy, you know, what the Vatican has been up to. Some of the architecture has gone viral. Of course, the Snake Auditorium and lots of other strange happenings. We've got an expert on today, Michael Hichborn. He's coming on.

[00:04:46] We're going to be talking about devil worship, pagan rituals, possession, and Marxism, all connected to the Vatican. He's done his research, and he's the founder and president of the Lepanto Institute. It's a research and education organization dedicated defending Catholic teachings and exposing moral issues in charities and institutions. He's a prominent voice in the pro-life movement and Catholic circles. He previously served for over seven years as director of the Defend the Faith Project at the American Life League.

[00:05:14] His works focus on investigating funding from the Catholic organizations, such as the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, that support causes conflicting with church doctrine, including abortion, contraception, and related issues. He holds a BA in political science, so we hold that in common, and economics from Christendom College, and he masters in education from American Intercontinental University. Lives in Virginia. He's here to expose the truth, and I love the topics today. Michael, welcome to the show. We appreciate you joining us this morning.

[00:05:43] Thanks so much for having me on. It's a pleasure. Yeah, we appreciate you being here. You know, time's the most valuable commodity that anybody has, and this is an important topic. You know, the Catholic Church has had a long history of some odd things where there's been division in the church, and you always wonder what's really going on. Of course, they've portrayed the picture to the world that it's all about the Word of God, but a lot of us are, you know, listen, I was raised a Lutheran to begin with,

[00:06:11] and then I went to an all-blades Catholic high school, and then I kind of converted to being a Catholicism. And, you know, it isn't just the Marxist ideology, right? They're actively engaged in a lot of ugly stuff here, so, you know, maybe give us, if I botched anything in your bio, add anything you'd like to add, and beyond that, let's just dig in, because there's a lot to cover today, man. There is a lot to cover. You got my bio just fine.

[00:06:38] But the more important thing is that what we have to understand is that what we're witnessing right now is the culmination of an over two-century-long infiltration into the Catholic Church. The communists primarily have been working hard to gain positions of prominence within the Catholic Church. This goes back to the 1930s when Joseph Stalin decided that he was going to start stuffing Catholic seminaries,

[00:07:06] with young communist radicals. And then you go through various communist programs that rose up through the 50s and 60s. There was something called the Dezinform, which was an offshoot or a sub-program of the Comintern. The Dezinform was an actual program to create a seminary in Moscow where they would take a bunch of disaffected priests or former seminarians,

[00:07:33] bring them up in this Moscow school or seminary, and then they'd send these fake priests out into the world to spread communism under the guise of the Catholic Church. And then a lot of these guys, they get promoted because, you know, it seems like they're actually part of the Catholic Church or that they're... Michael, what year was that? I don't want to interrupt, but what year was that? Michael, what year was that? Which one? The Dezinform? Yeah. That was in the 1950s. It started in the late 40s, rose through the 50s.

[00:08:03] And then when you get to the 1960s, you start to see that there was a guy, Jan Pachepa, who was a high-level KGB agent that defected to the United States in the 70s. Jan Pachepa was part of the KGB team that created liberation theology that was then exported to South America through the Jesuits. So you start to... You put the pieces together, and all of a sudden, everything starts to make sense.

[00:08:29] And the end result is what we're witnessing now, and it's actually the key focus of our report. It's really interesting because most of that information I don't think anybody's familiar with. I've never heard what you just told me just now. I don't need to pay attention to it because there's a lot of these organizations that are involved in operations behind the scene and get included in some of the discussions like at Davos

[00:08:56] and Trilateral Commission and the Com 300 and Bilderberg and so many others. And people don't really recognize there's such this high level. Some people say there's 100 and some people. Some say there's 200 people. And then there's these groups and these powerful institutions like the Catholic Church they use as kind of a teardown process. I guess you could call it grooming and brainwashing of the masses. They want to get control of the most powerful institutions. So what do you think? Let me ask you this before we dig in.

[00:09:26] It's the Catholic Church, but what do you think is truly above that that's trying to control the power of the Catholic Church? What groups or people are actually trying to filter down through it? So there are various groups. You've got the Freemasons. You've got the Communists. You've got the International Bankers who are all self-interested because they're trying to make a buck on whatever misery they can inflict on humanity. So there's a combination.

[00:09:54] You have the individuals who have a personal interest. They're the opportunists. We're going to sit there and say, you know what? I can make a buck doing these things, so I'll just play along to get what I want. You have the true believers who are, I mean, at the highest levels, they're occultists. They're Luciferians. They believe that Lucifer is actually God and the God of the Christians is the devil.

[00:10:18] You have people who are simply political ideologues. They want to push the communist socialist ideology because they believe that that's the right way to go. So you can't really pin it on any one person. This is what, you know, in Scripture it was referred to as the spirit of Antichrist. If you really want to understand exactly what we're up against, it is that spirit of Antichrist

[00:10:44] that does ultimately lead to the man of sin that was prophesied in Revelation. But there's no one person or small group that really controls everything. All of them are really operatives of the devil. I got you. It's interesting when you hear it described like that because, you know, most people that still, you know, support the Catholic Church are there, you know, hope to believe that they're following the Word of God

[00:11:13] and they're following the right institution. So let's go ahead and dig in. Let's start with, maybe you start this with, you know, exactly, maybe when you think it started and kind of bring us forward to some of these current events you've exposed. I mean, this is crazy. Spirit possession ceremonies, neo-shamanistic rituals. I mean, this is some pretty heavy stuff here. You know, this is not the kind of stuff you think the Catholic Church is going to be directly connected to. Right.

[00:11:41] Well, if you really want to go back, you have to go back to the permanent instruction of the Alta Vendita, which was a Masonic blueprint for the infiltration of the Catholic Church. Pope Pius IX and Pope Pius XIII were given copies of this document and they ordered that it be published so that Catholics can see and understand what we're up against.

[00:12:07] But what the Alta Vendita describes is a plot to infiltrate the seminaries with Freemasons who will rise through the ranks with good reputations. They'll have reputations as being real patriots and very faithful, very orthodox preachers. But once they get into key positions, they can then start to implement their agenda or their program.

[00:12:34] And the ultimate goal of their program is to control the Curia to get as many of their people into the Curia, which is the highest ranking order of cardinals within the Vatican, so that they can put a pope according to their means. They don't want to put one of their own, like a Freemason on the throne of Peter. But their ultimate goal, according to the Alta Vendita,

[00:12:59] was to so design through the seminaries and through formation and through the perception of what the church teaches, what they teach the church teaches, that they would then have a pope according to their ideas. So not one of them per se, but one that they could manipulate and maneuver because, hey, he believes the same thing they do,

[00:13:23] which is all the Masonic ideas of liberte, egalite, fraternite. You put it all together and that's ultimately what it is. But the Freemasons are only a very small part of the puzzle. You've got the infiltrators who then also perverted theology. They're called modernists. And Pope Pius X issued a decree and an excommunication

[00:13:50] of those who adhere to modernist doctrines. Modernism tries to change the idea of theology and morality. And the modernism that was growing and then suppressed in 1910, then changed to what's called the Nouveau Théologie, the New Theology. And the New Theology was the theology of Edward Schielebeckx

[00:14:19] and a bunch of names you probably are unfamiliar with, but they became the advisors to the Second Vatican Council. And what they did is they shifted the focus from theology of salvation. In other words, it's not about the salvation of souls. It's not about drawing souls to Christ. But the church ultimately is about social justice and about helping your fellow man.

[00:14:45] And the way we've referred to it for a long time is the Church of Judas. Judas, so Judas who said, why all this waste when Mary Magdalene poured out the ointment on our Lord's feet? Why all this waste? It could have been sold and the money had been used to give to the poor. Well, that's exactly what has happened since the 1960s. We see that they're getting rid of the beautiful things of the church, selling away her treasures, just disregarding the church,

[00:15:14] selling off churches now. And the idea is, well, we can now use that money to give to the poor. So the shift to social justice played right in with the shift to socialism within the church. And liberation theology played a big role in pushing that idea. And the communists who rose through the ranks, rose through the seminaries,

[00:15:39] I mean, Bella Dodd talked about how she helped thousands of young men join the seminaries, communists join the seminaries. And then by the time she testified before the House Committee on Un-American Activity in the 1950s, she said that she was already, when she was still with the communists, she was already working with several cardinals who had risen through those ranks. So you put the... Just quick question. Are the Knights of Malta connected to some of this also?

[00:16:09] I'd heard some things years ago, and I didn't know what their involvement was, because I know they try to keep sovereign status, loyalty and fealty to the Vatican, but there seems to be some unusual connections if you start really looking at them. Yeah, so there's definitely been a revolution within the Knights of Malta, the sovereign military order of Malta. The Knights Templar back in the 1300s was formally condemned by the Pope and shut down.

[00:16:34] And the Knights Templar, they were reconstituted, I guess, and brought back under the guise of Freemasonry. The Knights of Malta, also called the Knights Hospitaller, they never really... They weren't part of the whole infiltration scheme until fairly recently.

[00:16:57] And there are some individuals who are suspected Freemasons that rose through the ranks of the military order of Malta. I know that a guy named Von Bozelager has been suspected. There are several other individuals that are suspected, and there's a bunch of financial corruption involved with that. But it's all very messy. It's not as neat and sealed as something like Freemasons infiltrating seminaries.

[00:17:25] Yeah, there's a lot of theories about who are members of the Freemasons. There's discussions about the Illuminati online. Can you authenticate, I mean, for the audience anyway, because we've talked about this before, how many of these people are high-ranking government officials that are hidden as Freemasons and Knights of Malta? Do you have any identities you can give us of individuals that are specific even in the U.S. government or otherwise that have been absolutely connected to any of these groups?

[00:17:56] When it comes to the Illuminati, you're not really going to get a whole lot of verification. We know the originators of the Illuminati. A guy named Adam Weishaupt was the one who originated it. He was a theology professor at Ingolstadt University. And he created the Illuminati. He had a bunch of noblemen join him in his cause. I think the Duc d'Orléans was one.

[00:18:25] And it was through the Illuminati that they fomented the French Revolution. But in terms of current memberships, that's going to be really hard to peg unless they tell you who they are. You can get inference. You can maybe guess just because of the people that they associate with. But in terms of actual memberships, they keep them pretty secret. And it's pretty hard to really pin down with proof who they are.

[00:18:52] For the audience, just to tell them, there were 14 American presidents that have been confirmed Freemasons, of course. Prominent examples. George Washington was one, of course. Theodore Roosevelt. Franklin D. Roosevelt. Harry S. Truman. Many others. And, of course, you also had that Supreme Court justice. What was his name? It was Justice William Howard Taft, who was also the 27th president. And you also had Thurgood Marshall, Earl Warren.

[00:19:20] And then FBI director, of course, with an unsavory pass, J. Edgar Hoover. He was a dedicated 33-degree Mason. So it's pretty interesting when you start looking at the global leaders. Prime Minister Winston Churchill was a Mason. And he was in, I guess, the Stoodholm Lodge, number 1591. And then you've got lots of prime ministers of Canada, John Abbott. And the list goes on and on.

[00:19:47] It's just interesting when you start getting into this, because even in the Knights of Malta, the European heads of states, Conrad Adenauer, Chancellor of West Germany, Giulio Andrade. I don't know if I'll get this pronunciation right, but Andrade, he serves as prime minister of Italy three separate times. He was a prominent Knight of Malta. Lots of foreign policy people. I mean, the list goes on and on. CIA directors, NSA directors, DIA directors.

[00:20:12] I mean, it's pretty crazy when you start getting this connected and you wonder what was the necessity of being a Freemason and along. Were they chosen? Were they installed? How much of that do you think, the participation? You know, of course, there's still a lot of questions about the installed presidency of Joseph Biden. We still don't, I wouldn't call that we have a free and fair election.

[00:20:35] How often do you think the church and maybe some of these groups like the Knights of Malta, Illuminati and Freemasons, how often do you think they've been involved in subverting elections globally? Do you have any opinion or any information on anything like that? Well, when it comes to, I mean, Joseph Stalin said very clearly, I don't care who votes. I just care who counts the votes. Yeah.

[00:20:58] So, you look at who's counting the votes and then you can pretty well guess who's involved in making sure that elections go a particular way. The digital voting that we've had for the last, what, 20 years or so has played a huge role in curtailing elections.

[00:21:15] I remember when we were delegates in the state of Virginia, my wife and I were delegates, and we were participating in a, what was it, a GOP convention. And we were trying to choose our nominee for governor. And Fairfax County kept passing on the vote. They would come around. Fairfax would say, oh, we're still deliberating.

[00:21:44] And they'd come back around and they'd come to our area and we gave our nomination. Then they would come to some other area and then they'd go back to Fairfax. And Fairfax kept deferring until the very end when they had just enough votes to put in their guy who just so happened to be a Freemason. Interesting. Yeah. That's kind of how it works. It's not necessarily a mechanism in place all the time. It's just having key people in key positions.

[00:22:13] That's how socialism works. That's how communism works. They don't have to control the whole apparatus. They just have to control key leverage points. And that's how they gain control and maintain control. You know, as of late in the news, there's been quite a few people that come out like Vagano and others that have been pretty vocal about this whole homosexual, DEI, LGBTQ narrative that kind of the entire church flipped the script on that. At one point, we all thought that that wasn't supposed to be okay.

[00:22:43] And, of course, I still think that. But here we are now with a pope that seems to be supporting the exact opposite. We've had some awful ceremonies like the opening of the Olympics, the Winter Olympics. You saw that ceremony. That was absolutely demonic and paganism. I mean, that was just crazy. And you see it happening with concerts and otherwise. What do you think about some of these current policies? I always think division and chaos is a tool, right, that the left, in our case, the United States, they want to keep us divided.

[00:23:13] They want to act like there really is a difference in parties, that Republicans and Democrats are different and nonpartisans are different, and that we all don't agree and we're all going to infight and argue. And, of course, the far, far left you can't fix and the far, far right you can't fix. What do you think about these policies? Are they doing it? Is it kind of the David Copperfield? Sometimes I think that some of these stories that are propelled forward coming out of the vacuum and otherwise, it's kind of like they want you to look at what's going on there.

[00:23:37] Oh, yeah, we're going to have this stage show, if you remember that stage show that the Pope was involved in. I'm sure you probably cringed when you looked at it. George and I talked about it on the show. Do you think, and George, maybe you comment first. Do you think, George, that maybe they caused some of that stuff so that we, you know, don't look at the right hand so you don't see where the real magic of the left hand is going on? What do you think, George? Is it David Copperfield? Talking about sleight of hand and twist of faith? I'm always wondering about that. Sleight of hand and twist of faith.

[00:24:07] I mean, yeah, listen, it's the old okie doke. That's what they would do. They want you to see this. Meanwhile, this is going on backstage or behind the scenes. They're good for that. Everybody's, a lot of people are good for that. But you know what? There's a couple people in the chat that have some questions here from Michael. Oh, let's do it. One is asking about, believe it or not, pedophilia. Mm-hmm. Wrong topic. The other one asks about communism. What he thinks about communism.

[00:24:35] He's saying it's a tactic and he's saying, my opinion is communism is a tactic and is ancient, not modern. Ideology was marketed in the modern era, but in my opinion, there's nothing modern about it. What do you think, Mike? So what's the question? All right. What do you think about communism? What's your opinion about it? I think the question to me sounds like bread and circuses, right? Is communism to control the people?

[00:25:03] You know, is that the theory that Marxism, by giving them everything, by socializing all the benefits? And the Catholic Church seems to be very supportive of that. They supported the invasion of the United States. They thought it was great. They wanted to see. And of course, they've supported illegal immigration all throughout Europe, which you can see the damage that's been doing. So do you think that maybe that that's just part of the strategy?

[00:25:28] Well, you have to understand what Marx's version of communism is. He proposed the idea of dialectical materialism, which is that every focus of every element of society has to be on the material realm. There's no sense of salvation. There's no sense of the afterlife. It's all this world, this life. Everything is just what we can have. And what he proposed is a revolution for the workers.

[00:25:58] He was focused on the workers. But Saul Alinsky later on, what he described, I think, better fits what Marx was proposing. And can you tell the audience? I know who Saul is. Not a great person, of course, historically. Can you just describe for the audience? Because a lot of people may not have heard that name. I know him to be an extremely evil guy. Anybody who understands community organizing or has ever heard of community organizing, that was Saul Alinsky.

[00:26:23] He was the grandfather of the modern community organizing thing. So the idea is that he wrote the book Rules for Radicals. He wrote the book Reveille for Radicals. Everybody remembers that, oh, Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Lucifer because he won for himself his own kingdom, meaning hell.

[00:26:46] But the point of Alinsky, what he does is he says, look, let's take what Marx did and wrote in his manifesto and turn it into a practical form or practical application, a way of actually accomplishing the things that Marx wanted to accomplish. Now, Alinsky would say that he's not a communist. He was never a member of the Communist Party. That's all plausible deniability, to be honest.

[00:27:14] He had plenty of things to say supporting and lauding the communists. He used to raise money for the communists back in the 30s. So he's not a communist, although he would say, hey, I was never a communist. I was never part of the party. So you have to understand, again, they like to lie by omission. But what was really proposed and what was being set up is dialectical materialism, which is perpetual revolutionism.

[00:27:43] The idea of Marx is not to create a just society. The idea of communism is not to create an equal and equitable society. The idea, as proposed by Alinsky, which is really what's been in play ever since, is that you want to have a war between those who have and those who don't have. And ultimately, the rebels that don't have, they will triumph over the people that do.

[00:28:11] And when they do, now all of a sudden, the people who used to have become the have-nots. And the people who were the have-nots are now the ones who have. They possess the power. And then the cycle repeats itself. The have-nots rise up. They get agitated. They say, we need to take back our power. They go and they storm the capital and they take back what they want. And it becomes an ongoing cycle of revolution.

[00:28:38] And the idea of revolution is, it falls in with the Hegelian dialectic, which is thesis plus antithesis equals synthesis. So you're going to have a new society arise out of the conflict between the two sides.

[00:28:56] Because in Marxist terms, or not in Marxist, but in satanic terms, but also in Masonic terms, it becomes salve coagula, which is the idea of dissolving something and then remaking it. So salve being dissolved and then coagula, coagulation like blood, bringing it back together. So through that, you're going to have a process of creating something new.

[00:29:25] The Masons also talk about ordo ab cao, order out of chaos. So make a mess, as Pope Francis said, and then out of that mess, you'll have some new order arise from those ashes. That is, in a nutshell, what communism is really all about. It's perpetual revolution for the sake of creating a new society.

[00:29:48] You know, a lot of that seems, when I think of Sal and I think of others, a lot of it reminds me of some of the teachings of Aleister Crowley. Yep. I'm sure you've heard that name. Maybe share with your audience. Yeah. And, you know, I took three years of Latin when I was in high school. So, but it's interesting as you start kind of looking at these big theory, and I'm going to call them, I don't know if I'd call them religious theorists, political theorists. You know, that's how they like to frame themselves, right, of course. What do you think about Crowley?

[00:30:18] Do you think that between the communists and Saul and maybe the Catholic Church, as much as, you know, Crowley kind of penned himself as what? Kind of the anti-Catholic Church. Yet he really took a lot of the architectural design of the Catholic Church and fitted it to his own form of theology. Of course, an incredibly evil guy. George, I'm going to pull up a picture of him, why Michael is maybe trying to make that connection for the audience. I'll see if I can get it. I have a picture right here on my computer. Oh, do you? Yeah.

[00:30:48] Let me pull him up here. Really strange character. Maybe talk about that a little bit. So Crowley, he rose through the ranks of the occult, started off as a Freemason. He became a Rosicrucian. Rosicrucian. He then joined the, or actually helped found the, what was it, the Temple of the Golden Dawn, the Order of the Golden Dawn. Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, that's what it was.

[00:31:13] And then from there, he founded the Ordo Templi Orientis, which is a very satanic cult surrounded by Freemasonic ideologies. And from there, he founded what he called the Temple of Thelema. And the Temple of Thelema is his version of sex magic. It involves pederasty. It involves caprafagia and all sorts of really disgusting and vile practices.

[00:31:43] Homosexuality is a really big part of it. And through those things, through all of that, oh, and also the use of psychotropic drugs to try and contact demons. You know, you put it together. Yeah, this guy's a nut. He really was a wicked man. He was known in England as the wickedest man in the world. He called himself the Beast 666. But he had a lot of connections.

[00:32:11] Jack Parsons, who was a rocket scientist in the United States back in the 1940s and 50s. He was a follower of Aleister Crowley, a member of the Thelema Abbey. L. Ron Hubbard. Government officials here in the United States were followers of Crowley in one way or another. Hidden orders. You know, and then you start to really, you know, and I don't know how much, and I'm going to throw out some stuff here. I'm going to add some things that I want you to continue.

[00:32:36] I didn't mean to step on you here, but like, you know, because you hear that, you hear stuff like Opus Dei, right? You hear about the entity, you know, the equestrian order of the Holy Sepulcher of Jerusalem. There's a lot of these groups and these Masonic fraternities, and the names pop up, right? And then they're quickly kind of, oh, that's, you know, that's conspiracy theory. You know, is there more interconnection there? I mean, how many of these groups, because there's something about the Catholic Church.

[00:33:01] There's been so many of these, I don't know if you call them secret societies or secret orders or powerful entities. It's kind of like this structure that within the, and I know it's probably been a battle inside of the Vatican, because, of course, control the money, control the power. How much of that do you think, because, you know, even modern Vatican intelligence organizations, there's a lot of, there's a lot of discussions. I was a government contractor. I saw some things years ago where I saw, I got to be careful what I say here,

[00:33:30] but I saw some money that had Vatican seals. I saw money being transferred to different individuals, and they were Vatican seals on these different currencies that were being transferred to different groups in Northern Africa and otherwise. And I always wonder the interconnection of all that. Is there anything you can pull together for everybody on that? Well, when it comes to, I'll start with this.

[00:33:55] The Catholic Church, and this goes back to St. Paul and St. Peter describing the Catholic Church, or the Church, rather, as a body. And it's always referred to as a body, the mystical body of Christ.

[00:34:09] And if we think about the Church in terms of a body, when you have entities like Crowley's satanic ideologies and Freemasonry and communism and all those different isms that arise within various organs within the body. So, you mentioned the Knights Templar. We mentioned the Knights of Malta. You have all sorts of other different entities that are within the Church. And then they become corrupt.

[00:34:38] And they're corrupted from within in the same way that you have cancer cells that rise up within the body. And you would never associate those cancer cells with the body itself. So, you say that those are cells that attack the body. They weaken the body. They are destroying or killing the body. And in a similar respect, you look at these Masonic entities. I mean, Ingolstadt University, Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati. Weishaupt was a Catholic. He was a professor of theology.

[00:35:07] He was at a Jesuit institution in Germany. And it was through him that you had the creation of the Illuminati. So, the corruption starts like a bad cell, you know, a free radical within the body. That free radical forms a tumor. That tumor then creates replicating cells that can then corrupt other parts of the body.

[00:35:32] In that way, you can see that that's how the body of the Church is being corrupted from within. And by extension, you can see then how that corruption is being used to spread and propagate throughout the rest of the society, the rest of our world, the Western society that we have come to grow and love that is being destroyed.

[00:35:53] So, I think that the only way to really understand it is to see that these wicked ideologies that are rising up are like cancer cells. And those cancer cells are spreading because they're corrupting other individuals and institutions. Yeah, you just, you know, there's so many different groups and the Catholic Church has such a long history of this. Let's talk about some of this recent investigation of yours. You know, George, do you want to take a short break first or do we should just go on?

[00:36:26] Oh, I'm sorry. He's taking a break now. Yeah, he might be. Hey, George? Oh, I don't know. Maybe he did. Well, let me ask you this, Michael, while you're on camera. Let's talk about some of these recent investigations. I couldn't hear George. I don't know. Maybe he's having an audio problem. Lance, I'm just taking care of something. Just do what you got to do. Oh, okay. All right. Well, Michael, let me ask you this. So, you've been doing some crazy investigations as of late. I've got an image here. I'll have George throw up in a minute. It's Media 1.

[00:36:51] But you got this Vatican meeting in October that included devil worship and actively inviting spirits to possess. Yeah. How did you get this information? Kind of talk about some of this. Maybe take us through a process. I don't know exactly where you want to start on this. But this is some horrendous stuff you've discovered here. Did you have an insider? Was there a whistleblower? How did you get on top of the details of some of this? Because this is horrible. Well, one of the things that we do at the Lepanto Institute, we monitor things that are going on in the Catholic Church.

[00:37:21] And we monitor things that are going on within charitable institutions because a lot of them are involved with Marxist stuff. But one of the biggest problems within the modern church that we've discovered has to do with something called the Dicastry for Integral Human Development, which is it was an invention of Pope Francis early on in his pontificate.

[00:37:46] He created this new Dicastry that would then propagate what has ultimately become a lot of Marxist ideologies within the church. But back in 2014, it was Pope Francis who created the first world meeting of popular movements. Now, I didn't hear about any of this.

[00:38:06] I wasn't aware of the world meeting of popular movements until about 2021 when I caught wind of one of them because I find things out just by happenstance mostly. I'm investigating something or I'm researching something and then something comes up and it's something I hadn't heard of. And I go, well, what's that? So, and that's, that's, I think that's the, that's the, you know, the, the rabbit hole that happens. You know, I hear something and I think, okay, you know, where exactly does this fit?

[00:38:35] Because some people have done these massive charts. Some people talk about the people that are actually running the world. There's a lot of discussions about it behind the scenes. People that talk about it too much get attacked and suppressed and the rest of it. But it's interesting that normally it's one little, little breadcrumb, right? You hear, you hear a name, you hear something, you think, well, that doesn't sound, that sounds innocuous. Let me go check it out. And then you find out it isn't innocuous. You find out that it's something incredibly serious. But this stuff is pretty, pretty ugly here. Not a good look for the Catholic church.

[00:39:05] That's for sure. No, definitely not. So I first discovered the world meeting of popular movements in 2021. Just, I was conducting some research and I happened upon the name and I didn't know what it was. So I started looking into it and all I had to do was look at who was participating. And quickly I found out this is, this is awful. Well, the meeting there, there have been five formal meetings and a bunch of sub meetings that took place over the course of time.

[00:39:34] And last October it happened again. And for the first time it happened under the watch of Pope Leo, who had only been Pope for five months when this meeting took place. And I thought, okay, well, let's see who was involved and let's see what was said. And I, I read and watched Pope Leo's speech to the world meeting of popular movements. And he said some very high things about them. He, he was very supportive and he even said, I am here.

[00:40:02] I am with you to, to these participants. And I looked at the list of participants that I could find and, uh, it didn't take long for us to discover they were self-proclaimed communists. And we're doing family read alouds of the communist manifesto parading through the streets with Karl Marx banners and, and celebrating Karl Marx's birthday and the day of his death as if he was a Catholic saint.

[00:40:26] Um, and it, it, it was just organization after organization, after organization, we were digging into their leadership. We were digging into the people that were involved with them. And, and it was very clear. These were all communist entities or at least hard socialist entities that were involved in this world meeting of popular movements. So I, this time around, I decided that it, I needed to do something a lot deeper than what I had done in 2021.

[00:40:55] Because the, the report we did in 2021 didn't get a whole lot of play. Now that was also in the middle of, uh, a really serious global crisis, um, of multiple magnitudes that can get you kicked off of social media for talking about. Yeah, that's the difficulty, right? That's part of the suppression. We got suspended. We lost a pretty big account on YouTube. They let us come back on, but now we're rebuilding and that's kind of what it happens when you're over the target. So I imagine you and the Lepanto Institute have been attacked quite a bit. Oh yeah.

[00:41:24] In fact, we're currently undergoing an IRS tax audit, which is very odd. Yeah. So figure that, in fact, the audit, I got the call about the audit, um, just as I was finishing up the report that I, I just put out about the world meeting of popular movements. But, so I was investigating the world meeting of popular movements and I started with, okay, what were their documents? What were they saying? What did they say about themselves? I went into who was involved.

[00:41:52] And as I was researching, what really stood out was this place that they held the meetings. It was called, uh, spin time labs, which is a squatter occupied building in Rome. Pope Francis had actually assisted in, uh, defending the squatters, uh, against the government who was trying to get them kicked out. The government was trying to evict them and Pope Francis intervened. And then the mayor of Rome actually, uh, shut off their power.

[00:42:22] So yeah, I would have just put them on a bus and taken them right over into the Vatican. I would have dropped them off and said, listen, if you want squatters, we'll just deliver him, deliver him to you. I've never liked the sovereignty of the Vatican, how that operates as a sovereign country, a sovereign nation within Rome. And I have to be honest, they're fortunate. I'm not the president of the United States. I would have already rated the, the, uh, library underneath. And I would make all of those documents public. They've been pretty protective about what's what they've secured over the years.

[00:42:50] And I would say, nope, no more. We're going to expose the truth about everything. We're going to put it all out. Uh, I think you'd, I think you'd be surprised by what you don't find down there. You think so? Yeah. It's not, it isn't full of what people alleges down there. It's some of the teachings that have been covered up and maybe some of the other religions that were copied. What do you think? Yeah. Dan, Dan Brown is down there. Just bunkered up. No, no. Dan Brown is a nut. Yeah. He was. I know he might very well be.

[00:43:19] I'm just always curious about that. Cause of course, you know, they, they, they looted and pillaged all over Europe and you wonder what they secured during that time period. You know, you wonder what really they came up with. Right. Well, that's, that's a whole other discussion. Well, we may have you on for that at some point. Yeah. Just go. Maybe to tell the audience what that image was that George had up a minute ago. I didn't give you the chance to describe that.

[00:43:44] It almost looks like a voodoo style, you know, group. Yeah. So what you're seeing is a conglomerate image. It's not, it's, that's not an actual photograph. It's a conglomerate image that shows elements of what we discovered with regard to these organizations participating in the world meeting and popular movements.

[00:44:03] On top of them being communists, we found that they're involved in something called condomble, which is, it's kind of like a combination of voodoo and Santeria, where they, they use the images of Catholic saints as representatives of their pagan deities.

[00:44:23] You, you see the white, the women in white with the drums, those drums in condomble, they're, they're, they're actually ritualistically sealed in blood, goat's blood or chicken blood. And they're supposed to aid in, in calling down spirits.

[00:44:42] They have these, these singing, dancing rituals where they, they, they call upon these spirits to take over their bodies so that they can then divine certain things about the future or tell them about things regarding the, the lives of the individuals participating. Condomble is, it's devil worship ultimately, but it's devil worship that hides itself behind certain Catholic symbols.

[00:45:10] So it, uh, it's, it's, it's very syncretistic in that regard. Yeah, it's interesting. I saw a lot of worship hidden behind Catholic symbols. It's not like what the Vatican does. No, uh, because what the Vatican does, well, I mean, hold on, hold on. Where's that one? Wait, the, the thumbnail with the, um, whatever that room is with the snake in the mouth, the auditorium. Isn't that the Vatican?

[00:45:38] So, uh, we, you have to kind of separate what we mean. If, if you're talking about the Vatican, meaning the governing structure of the church that has been taken over by revolutionists, then yes, I can agree. But if you're talking about the Catholic church in her teachings, in her, uh, sacraments and all that kind of stuff, then, then we disagree. So, um, the building that we saw at the very beginning where I was stuck in the middle of the building.

[00:46:07] It's stuck in the mouth of the church. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that is the, um, I can't remember the name of the building. I think it's the same, the, the, the Paul VI Hall, uh, auditorial hall. So it's an auditorium. It's not actually a church. It's not part of the, um, the teaching body of the church. It's, it's a meeting place, but yeah, the designer, the architect, you look at the interior and it looks very much like a serpent, like the, a serpent with fangs on the, on the bottom.

[00:46:36] Um, so I, I would say that in that regard, yes, you do see the, the externalization of some of the interior revolution that's taken place within the Vatican. But again, this is, this goes back to our analogy of the cancer cells. It's not, that would, I would say is not the church. It is a cancer cell part of the body of the church.

[00:47:05] So you discovered this Vatican's world meeting of popular movements and, you know, and you found out they were actively engaged in this pagan worship and spirit possession ceremonies. We've got another image, George, shut up media too. Explain the connection here between the church. And I guess this is called festa de exeux ceremonies. And I guess this is pretty horrible. Why don't you kind of explain to the audience? We don't have the video. We took an image and I ought to be honest.

[00:47:31] A lot of times I'm on easy because I always wonder about the power of a video on you, right? The power of these kinds of suggestive organizations. You know, there's always this, this nefarious thing that there's a lot of this stuff on YouTube. Some of it I refuse to watch because I wonder if part of that is the ceremonial kind of ritualistic by you watching it. Somehow you're kind of acknowledging it because they, you know, they always say that the, the people in power have to telegraph what they're doing. And you almost have to willingly accept it.

[00:48:00] So if you click on the video, you watch it. Are you willingly accepting what the message they're trying to? What's that got to do to Vatican lands? Well, that's what we're getting ready to talk about. Sorry. Yeah. So what you're seeing in this ritual, this, this is a, this, this did not take place in the Vatican. This particular ritual, what you're seeing are images that came from a condomble ritual,

[00:48:26] which is practiced by the organizations that were participating in the world meeting of popular movements. We're talking about organizations like La Via Campesina, Movimento Dos Trebladores, Semterra, MST, organizations like Senarab. So these organizations, they're, they're all really deeply involved in what's called condomble, which has those, those dual images I told you about earlier.

[00:48:56] But this particular ritual, you have to understand they, they, they worship these things called oryxas. And oryxa is a, it's the image of a Catholic saint that then actually represents a pagan deity. And they worship the, the pagan deities behind the symbol of the Catholic saint. And in these blood rituals, I'll just read to you what we have in our report on this, on what you're seeing in this particular one.

[00:49:27] First is the ritualistic blood offerings of goats, chickens, and other animals to feed the oryxes. Second, and even more disturbing is the ritualized practice of spirit possession. During extensive ceremonies involving rhythmic drumming on blood-consecrated drums called atabaque and chanting practitioners willingly open themselves to be mounted or possessed by the oryxas.

[00:49:52] And then in this particular image, what you're seeing is, it's actually an involvement of this organization, Centerob, that we posted. Festa de Exu, what that says here is, after a while, the beat of the drums shifted, the rhythm grew more demanding, and the participants began to clap and sing to call the spirits.

[00:50:21] And then they came, the Pombra Geras and the Exus, feminine and masculine spiritual entities of the Afro-Brazilian tradition, guardians of the crossroads and messengers between the human world. I mean, these are demons. The ancestors and the oryxes, the divine forces of nature. After the entities descended to, into the bodies of some of the mediums present, they spiraled through the rooms.

[00:50:49] Cigars between the fingers and bottles of cachaca, Brazil's strong sugarcane liqueur, in their hands, laughing and dancing while the drums accompanied their movements like a heartbeat, celebrating their evening, their festa de exu. Here in this terraria, gender was fluid. Some men incorporated Pomba Geras, while women danced as Exus.

[00:51:14] The Mayo de Santo, the spiritual leader of the terraria, and herself a trans woman, smiled. For many here, this place is a sanctuary, a place that affirms and celebrates black, queer, and trans lives. So, there's a lot of cross-connection between these demonic practices, homosexuality, and the transgender movement. And we find that these organizations that were participating in the World Meeting of Popular

[00:51:42] Movements are very heavily involved in promoting LGBTQ ideologies. And it's done with that, again, that veneer of Catholic saints that they claim are part of their charism or whatever. But that's really the long and short of it. And what's really disturbing, what is very upsetting about why these organizations were in Rome

[00:52:10] to participate in the World Meeting of Popular Movements, the Vatican said, what we want is to build bridges with these organizations. They actually said for the first time in the October meeting, these organizations were accompanied by local churches, so that when they go back home, they would not only know who these organizations are, they'd be then sent back with a mandate for greater collaboration. They want these organizations to get involved with their church groups,

[00:52:40] so that the church groups can recruit from within their congregations, and they can all work together towards what they call social justice. But... In this image, Media 3, this is pretty disturbing, that the Pope is actually getting a gift from the MST. And I guess this gift is some kind of a, I don't know, some kind of a picture of one of the deities?

[00:53:06] Yeah, so the beaded tapestry there, it's one of the pagan deities called Osana. Osana is, it's like a spirit guide, or a spirit forest, or a forest spirit going out there and trying to defend the spirits, or the forests, and defend the trees, and defend the rivers, and whatnot.

[00:53:31] And it's also one of the deities that is highly regarded in the religion of Condomble. And there you can also see, not in this particular image, so the woman that you see in red, her name is Alaia, something or other, but she's the head of MST, Movimento dos Trabalhores Semterra.

[00:53:56] So she is presenting him with this Condomble deity for Pope Leo to take. Now, it's entirely possible he had no idea what that thing was. He probably saw it and went, oh, look, it's some sort of gilded warrior from the indigenous peoples of Brazil. Who knows? Who knows what he actually knew? But the fact is,

[00:54:22] that thing is a cursed image because it is of a pagan deity, without any doubt. So, you know, it's just, it's interesting, you know. It doesn't mean he's involved in it. Someone's given it to him like a gift, so he's going to be great. He's just going to be gracious, except it doesn't mean he believes in it or nothing in this instance. Right, right. My thing here with the Catholic Church, and specifically the Vatican, you have all the Gospels that they hide from us.

[00:54:52] Why not show us the Gospels and what was written before, what was it, King David or whatever, whoever he was. Was it King David? No, whoever the king was who wrote the Bible and changed his record. You're talking about the books of the Bible that were removed. Not, no, no, no, no, not just removed. All the Gospels that they use in the Bible today. It's not what was, they altered words or let things out. So why not just show them to everybody? I mean, look at the Vatican. What's with the Vatican Bank?

[00:55:20] Where's all the gold that they supposedly have, all the money? Yet they want to cry, give to this, give to that. They want everybody else to give, but they don't want to give enough. They just want to take, take, take. Well, okay. So there's a lot there. First, I would say that the question about the Gospels, you're talking about the difference between the Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible. The Protestant Bible, Martin Luther took out a bunch of books

[00:55:46] because they didn't support what he was promoting as a new theology. He was trying to go against the idea of purgatory and he wanted to go against the idea of confession because he was an extremely scrupulous man and he thought that he could never be good enough. And so therefore it's easier to change the teachings of the church than it is for him to actually follow what the church had been prescribing.

[00:56:09] So the way that the Bible was structured, if you go back, I think the Vulgate is probably the best example that we've got. St. Jerome's Bible, very clear. It was what was instituted in, I think it was the Council of Nicaea. But after the Protestant Revolution in the 1500s, what you had was the removal of certain books,

[00:56:36] not the insertion or the reapplication of certain books. So that's... So what do you have? Tobit, you have Judith, Solomon. James. Ecclesiastes, I guess this section specifically. Oh, the King James, that's the version. That's true. Why not just show the Gospels how they were originally written and let everybody decide for themselves? Well, you have to understand that the Scriptures weren't actually written down in many cases until much later because they were oral tradition.

[00:57:06] So there was no written Bible. It's not like all of the different apostles sat down and wrote everything out and then they had this huge collection, a huge tome that they collected and said, this is how it's going to be. It was oral tradition. They would pass it down from the apostles going out and preaching. In fact, part of the Mass, if you understand the Mass, the Gospel was preached by one of the apostles.

[00:57:34] He would stand up and everybody in the congregation would stand up and he would tell them a story from his experience of the life of Christ. And then afterward, he would give a sermon. So that is the formula that was handed down through the Mass. And it was later on that a lot of these were written down. St. John, he wrote his own Gospel. St. Matthew, he wrote his own Gospel. St. Luke, he wrote his own Gospel. Andrew dictated.

[00:58:04] St. Luke, he wrote his own Gospel. And so did Peter. But it's interesting about some of the references, right? There's a reference, you know, the book of the wars of the Lord, you know, the book of Jashar, Chronicles of the Kings of Israel, Manner of the Kingdom. You know, then you've got the Book of Enoch. Of course, that's been pretty well covered out there in social media. Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. You know, there's a lot of stuff that, of course, a lot of people...

[00:58:34] It couldn't possibly be a Gospel of Judas. You couldn't possibly have a Gospel of Judas. He killed himself the night Christ was crucified. Yeah, and again, whether all this is true, you know, I don't really know. I always wonder. That's why I mentioned the Vatican Library. I always wonder what's housed in those tomes. They say they've even got some, you know, additional Dead Sea Scrolls and things that have never been made public. Even experts haven't been allowed access to them. Yeah, why is that? I understand what George is saying because there's so many theories out there.

[00:59:03] Let me ask you this. What's your conclusion on it, Michael? Do you think it's intentional? Do you think it's just been lost by the years, like much of our own history, the history of the world? What do you think really happened there? You mean with what? The collection of documents? The missing documents that people discuss online. Well, okay. So, the Gospel of Thomas, we have a copy of it. It's in existence. But it was what was called a Gnostic Gospel.

[00:59:32] At the time, you have to remember, going back through the works of St. Paul, he spoke of the enemies of the cross of Christ. And he talked about wolves in sheep's clothing who were infiltrating, actually acting as false Christs, as false apostles, and spreading a false gospel. Yeah. So, the Gospel of Thomas was a forgery that was created by... It was a fictionalized account of Jesus.

[00:59:57] But doesn't, like the Book of Enoch, doesn't it, it details about, where it says, like, 200 heavenly watchers rebelled and came to earth and made it with the human women? Yeah, so... So, how would that... That's... Okay, so if you look at why the vacuum doesn't want to acknowledge that or add it in the Bible. Why, because it makes it look bad? No, because the... It can't be authenticated.

[01:00:26] They can't authenticate it as having been written and handed down through Jewish testimony all the way through the centuries from Enoch himself. There's no way of verifying this. It doesn't show up in any of the ancient Hebrew texts leading to the time of Christ. So, you're not going to find anything that would validate it as an authentic, inerrant, and inspired part of the Word of God. And that's why we don't include it.

[01:00:55] Yeah, and the Gospel acknowledgement is what the Ethiopian Orthodox Church acknowledges, the existence of the Book of Enoch. And there's a lot of theories. I think there's a theory about the Ark of the Covenant being housed in Ethiopia. Is it true? I don't know. One of those things you wonder about. Yeah. Yeah, it's... I mean, but if you look at, like, the discovery of the Book of Enoch when it was written, it was written, what, 3rd century, 2nd century, 3rd century BC and the 1st century?

[01:01:21] Right, which would have been well after Enoch had lived and then ascended, he went into paradise. So, again, because you can't authenticate it and because the Church couldn't authenticate it and they couldn't even determine... Now, St. Augustine said that he believed that certain portions of it were authentic. And in fact, I think it was the Epistle of St. James made reference to it.

[01:01:44] So, there are indications that portions of it are probably authentic, but it seems to be a corrupted text. That the idea of what was originally in the Book of Enoch has been added onto or corrupted over the centuries and this is why they don't indicate that it's part of Scripture, that it's inerrant, because they don't know which parts are authentic and which parts aren't. You know, there's so much to unpack with you.

[01:02:11] I could probably dig in for hours with you about different topics because, of course, we've had people on the show before that have brought up different, you know, issues. And, of course, the Vatican is not anything new. You know, Michael, I know we're running out of time here because I know we've got a tight schedule today. I want to make sure we give you a chance. This is the shameless plug period, and I don't mean to cut you off. We're going to have you back on for sure. Maybe we'll dig down some of these specific rabbit holes and give you more time because, man, you are a crazy amount of knowledge. I'm impressed because we've thrown you a lot of curveballs today.

[01:02:41] I know this wasn't all part of the topic, but I'm intrigued because there's so many things that, you know, there's so, of course, I'm not as knowledgeable as you, but I read a tremendous amount of material, and George is always digging. We're digging, digging, digging, and then you see a connection or something. And so we're going to definitely have you back on for sure. This was very interesting. We'll talk about that. Yeah, we need to.

[01:03:11] I am sure that you have so much knowledge you weren't able to share today, so I apologize. We don't have more time, but go ahead. Shameless plug, man. Jump in. Plug it all. Anything that helps you and helps your investigations, your movement, and everything you're doing. And I appreciate what you're doing because a lot of people don't want to go down this rabbit hole. They're afraid. Yeah, so one of the things that I want everybody to know is that here at the Lepanto Institute, you can see our website is L-E-P-A-N-T-O-I-N.org.

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[01:05:58] So if you look up at Lepanto Inst or you can just look up Lepanto Institute on X and we'll come up because, again, we're the only one. Yeah, that's really important. And whatever you can do to support Michael's work, he's doing some great investigation work. Listen, thanks so much, man, for coming on the show today. We're definitely going to have you back. There's so many different things I could bring up. My little mind spinning here about, well, what about this? And you seem to have the answers, which is pretty unbelievable because you got some curveballs today. So, well, first of all, thank you very much. We're blessed to have you on.

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