The Responders - Breaking the Silence Documentary w/ John Kirby & Chris Gioia |EP950

[00:00:00] All men are created equal, but they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. By Liberty and the Beautiful of Pounds. If Liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

[00:00:37] The Big Mig Media Co-host George Balantine on this show. You always know it's tip of the spear because if Liberty means anything at all, it sure means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. And of course on this show, that's the plan each and every episode. You know, of course, educating and unifying the country will expose all the truth.

[00:01:06] Doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on because at the end of the day, it's a uniparty in D.C. I still don't see any of that accountability happening. Sure, yeah, I know you guys are going to tell me Ilian Omar, they're investigating her, but I don't think she is at the bottom of the deep or the top of the deep state. She's committed her own crimes. And of course, listen, we want the statutes applied equally, equal application of the law, the rule of law. That's what we want. Not what we're getting yet. George Balantine. What's up, bro? Oh, not much.

[00:01:35] You know, what is it Thursday? Yeah, Thursday. Another day, another dollar. Ilan Omar is just a distraction. They're trying to get some kind of wind just to make us satisfied because Trump said we're not, you know, I'm not going to go after Hillary or Obama or Biden. I mean, giving him a pass. Yeah, that's all she is, even though she deserves to be deported and her ass thrown out anyway. But yeah, there's no doubt. Listen, I guess we got to take a win. I just want the law to work the way it's supposed to.

[00:02:04] Of course, you know, there seems to be a different status here. That's always in question. I'm still looking for those, you know, the dirty 51 plus eight arrest. You know what, Lance? If the law was sixers, 9-11, you name it. I want accountability for all of it. And I want truth for all of it. I feel like I'm tired of the government being mommy and daddy government where they decide what they're going to filter to us, what they're going to tell us. I think they've forgotten that they were duly elected or at least we hope they're elected.

[00:02:33] I know many of them are installed, but we want a free and fair election system. That's what the plan is. That's what the founders and framers wanted. But, you know, George, it's not what we got, right? Well, if we had a legal system that worked properly, we'd have government agencies and officials being held accountable for participating in 9-11. We're going to get to that in a little bit, though. I said it. You know, this is a topic we've had on the show many times before. I know you guys still have a lot of questions.

[00:03:01] I know I have a lot of questions about 9-11. I was watching. Of course, we've got documentary filmmaker on today, and I'll go into that in a minute. But I watched the film last night, and I just was telling them backstage that for me it's a struggle, right? Everybody knows I have a little bit of a dark side. They're very fortunate that I'm not president of the United States. I would have ordered half a dozen industrial wood chippers, and I would be dealing with the solution immediately and right now.

[00:03:26] Because I think accountability, consequences, transparency, I think the American people deserve it. I know we're not getting it, but that's what I think we deserve. And watching the documentary last night, it stirred up my old thoughts because, of course, I'm a New Yorker at heart. I don't like anything that undermines New York. I don't like the current Mandami. Everybody knows my feelings about him. But look, before we kick it off, if you love the show, the easiest way to thank us is to hit that smash the follow button. Leave a comment.

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[00:06:29] Well, you know, we've covered, we had Richard Gage on here. We've had other experts. You know, I've got some background in explosives ordinance from when I was a contractor. I have tons of questions. And of course, we've got the filmmaker and director, John Kirby. And one of the first responders, Chris Gioia, joining us at the show today, that the documentary, the responders breaking the silence. It's a must watch.

[00:06:59] I've got to tell you, if you haven't seen this documentary, I'm going to recommend after this interview that you go watch it or watch it over the weekend. Well worth it. And if you're one of those people that is like us, and you're probably here because you do question the truth. You don't trust mainstream media any longer because this is not mainstream media and you're here today. You're going to want to see it now. John Kirby and Chris are backstage. We're going to bring him in. But while we're bringing him in, I'm going to give you their their bios here.

[00:07:28] So John Kirby, he knew the American ruling class was his debut dramatic documentary musical starring Lewis Lapham at film plate and theaters and won prizes and festivals all over the world. It was dubbed astonishing by the London observer divine madness by the Montreal mirror. It K.O. Studs Terkel and was held by luminaries from Bill Moyers to Peter Winton, who called it the most cinematically subversive film to come along this decade.

[00:07:58] He's directed and edited and consulted on dozens of documentaries and nonfiction series. He's co-directed Cape Spin and American Power Struggle. Listen, and this is, of course, his latest project, which is respond the responders. And of course, Chris Goya. First of all, I want to thank Chris for his service. He's a retired Marine. It sounds like it changed his life, at least from what I saw in the documentary. And he is without a doubt a really interesting guy.

[00:08:26] And he was a fire commander and chief volunteer during 9-11. And I want to tell you something about Chris. It's interesting. He's he, of course, he's a he's a God country family guy. And but he he saw the truth. He didn't just sit there and get force fed the 9-11 rhetoric. You'll see his turnaround in the movie itself. And I think I'd tell you, it's pretty incredible. So let's get him in here. There's no reason to leave backstage. All right.

[00:08:56] Welcome to the Big MIG show, gentlemen. How y'all doing? All right. Good. George Lance. How are you? Yeah. And again, Chris, thanks for your service. And John and Chris, we appreciate the time this time on this show. We believe time is the most valuable commodity we have and educating and unifying the country is what we do. Um, man, I, the documentary is powerful. I appreciate the guy, the work he did in the honesty in the film.

[00:09:23] Honesty is not a word that I use when I describe 9-11. I don't trust the Bushes. Uh, there's too many questions I have and you guys have the same thing. But, uh, you know, many people saw the truth that were on the ground first. They heard the explosions. They felt the heat waves. Uh, and for anybody that's done any kind of demolition, those buildings came down in a manner that just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[00:09:51] Um, and, and Richard Gage exposed a lot of that on our show. But let's dig in. First of all, let me ask you this. You know, we've been attacked on this show. We got suspended. We just got our account. Were we able to reopen account on YouTube? I feel like the suppression is still there. We lost an account with about 30,000 followers. They didn't like our coverage of the election fraud. They didn't like our coverage of, um, COVID-19.

[00:10:16] Um, we actually got suspended finally, but we put up CDC and VAERS information, which I don't believe either one of those. And that was the final straw over YouTube. And then we got, we got kicked off. Uh, I got, I got kicked off a minute and 46 seconds after Donald Trump on X. Uh, George was shortly thereafter. George never got back at his original account. I got back my accounts. There's still tons of suppression since you guys, uh, did this documentary. Has it, has it gotten worse for you? Have you been attacked?

[00:10:43] Have you felt the pressure of telling the truth? And let me start with you, John. Well, thanks so much for having us, Lance. This is the, you know, I think this is a special film because it's the first time that responders as a group have come together to talk about what they saw and heard at ground zero. Uh, since we've, you know, we're used to having films even on controversial subjects get into film festivals. This film was rejected by every single film festival, right?

[00:11:12] Even Tribeca, which was founded by De Niro, uh, and Jane Rosenthal to, uh, you know, to promote, uh, downtown Manhattan after the attacks. So, you know, it's very important that we're on a show like yours and getting the word out. And, uh, I hope people will go to the responders film.com.

[00:11:34] And even if you, you know, once you watch it, you'll realize this is a film that I think can break through to people who, who don't want to hear this. Cause it's, it is the responders telling you. So if you've got an uncle and aunt, a friend, um, who, who doesn't want to hear it, uh, this, you go to the website, you can see, you can get, you know, 20, you know, 10 films for 20 bucks.

[00:11:56] You send it out to those people and, and hopefully they're going to be able to hear it because of people like Chris, they're leading the way once again, back towards the danger, back into the fire. And, uh, the truth is there. This is a false mystery. You know, we know that, you know, everyone on the ground saw it that day. The buildings are blown to powder. That's why a lot of people can't find their loved ones cause they're blown to atoms. They're blown to smithereens in those buildings. Building seven.

[00:12:23] Of course we can talk about later is just, you know, wasn't hit by anything and it comes down in a classic style, but it's obvious when you go back and look. And that's why we spend so much time with the video, the footage of from the day of and hearing the anchors. They're all saying it. They all recognize that this must be some form of demolition. That's what they're all saying. All the fire commissioners on the ground are saying it.

[00:12:46] Everybody who's witnessing it, uh, the, the buildings were blown to bits and, uh, you know, the steel is ejected out hundreds of feet and everything turns to powder. So, you know, this film, I think because it's right over the target, we're getting all this flack. Um, we're not, they're trying their best to ignore it. You know, they're trying their best to suppress it. And we, like you, we were canceled during COVID. We had a show called perspectives on the pandemic right in March of 2020. We had Johnny and Edis from Stanford university.

[00:13:16] We were just, you know, trying to get the best info out there. And, you know, we did it through a distributor and we got millions of views and we got shut down after the second one. You know, intermittently shut down. Uh, you know, we had, you know, some of the guys from Pfizer whistleblowers, we had Malone on before just about anybody. And, you know, the, yeah, we, so we understand what this is like. We think we're getting shadow banned right now. The trailer, you know, we have got, you know, Roger waters and Senator Ron Johnson on the trailer.

[00:13:45] It's getting suppressed. It's not getting the views it should be getting. So they've got all kinds of ways, as you well know, to keep the truth bottled up. And that's what they're trying to do to this film because not no one's ever seen all the responders together talking about this. It's not a bunch of, you know, you know, kooky tinfoil hat theories. It's just the truth, the bare truth on the ground. And there's no denying it. There's no denying these responders and that's what they're scared of. So we hope people will send this film around to everyone they know.

[00:14:14] You know, and it's incredible if anybody knows the truth. Of course, it's the responders, the firefighters, the paramedics, the police. And, and, and, you know, of course, people like Chris know the difference. You know, their experience and their training allows them to look at events like that. Of course, hopefully we aren't going to see any more of these events, but who knows with the invasion of the country, we've got a lot of dangerous people in there.

[00:14:41] I have a lot of contacts as does George in the administration and also in different intelligence organizations in and out of the country. And we've heard a lot of things. There's a lot of people on the ground here that shouldn't be here. There's eight divisions, members from eight different divisions of the Chinese military right here in the country. We've allowed them to buy properties next to sensitive installations. Our infrastructure is susceptible.

[00:15:04] Now, Chris, you're, you're, you're one of the rare ones that you clearly don't believe the narrative that was force fed to you guys, to the American public. We saw them even take control of the press when they wanted to name Osama bin Laden. It was a very coherent story that every news agency covered it simultaneously. But for you, you know, what, what have you felt since you've done the film? I know you were, you were very active even prior to the film trying to get the truth out.

[00:15:35] I watched a couple of your press conferences and of course there weren't that many people to cover it, which you know that if they weren't being told not to cover it, they all would have been there because they're all looking for a breaking story. How's, how's your life been, you know, during, post of 9-11 when you started to tell the truth? And of course, now, since you've done the film. Once again, Lance and George, I want to thank you guys for having me on the show.

[00:16:02] And to answer that question about what's been going on since the, the film came out. I haven't really experienced any negative feedback. The feedback has been very positive because the way the, the film comes across, you can't argue with it.

[00:16:24] But, uh, before the film and going back a few years ago, just to initiate any kind of discussion on what happened on 9-11 was, was met with, uh, derision. And, um, it wasn't, wasn't a pleasant experience, but nevertheless, I'm not the kind of person who, uh, you know, just because somebody says, no, you can't ask that.

[00:16:51] Uh, I'm going to push forward until, uh, until I get some answers. Yeah. And as a New Yorker and probably an Italian, we're, we're, we're kind of stubborn here, right? We, we, uh, we get our teeth into something and we're like a red-nosed pit bull. I don't like to let go of things. There's lots of things that I saw over the years and I was unwilling to let it go. And George, I know you feel the same way, you know, uh, uh, you know, my, my, my, my question, you know, George, when you, we, we had, um,

[00:17:19] um, K John, right. We had him on and he, he run, he's, he's had 3000 over 3000 architects. Look at the unlikely downing of those buildings between the structural steel. Yeah. Jet full jet fuel. There's no doubt. It's a, it's a volatile product, right? But not volatile enough to take down these buildings that had these massive wind shear numbers. George, I don't know if you remember, we talked about those wind shear numbers and what it would really take to take these buildings down.

[00:17:47] And then what I always find interesting is the, the vertical drop, the direct vertical drop. That's identical to when you take down buildings, when you do demolition or remove buildings in areas where there's lots of other buildings around. There's experts all around the globe that know how to do that. George, I don't know what your thoughts you tell me, you know, for me when nine 11 hit, I, you know, of course I was angry. I wanted to blame somebody. I don't know how you felt about it when it first happened.

[00:18:14] Um, I mean, listen, I was in shock, but most importantly, you know, my cousin worked for Canada Fitzgerald. He died in that building. So, of course we wanted answers, revenge, and we still don't have the answers. Do we have revenge or is there justice done? No, I don't think so. I think, um, been Latin was just a patsy because you can't tell me that our three letter agencies didn't know, have traffic about what was going on or hear about it.

[00:18:42] I mean, they got people all over the world and it just, I'm not buying it. And I'm going to bring this up now because what is the logical reason that they gave of why building seven came down? Because nothing of the towers fell on it. If I, if I'm correct, what was the reasons they gave for building seven coming down? I know the reason when the guy said, pull. Well, that's, that's, that was that weird thing that they put out there with Larry Silverstein.

[00:19:10] I'm not, you know, that, that's some weird, uh, that's another weird story. You know, I just said, pull it that, but you know, their official explanation as you know, is yeah, there's some damage to the south face, but it was ordinary office fires. Ordinary office fires. Shifting one column, column 79 a little bit. And the next thing you know, the whole thing just cascades down. It's, it's a patently ridiculous story. We all know it's ridiculous in a way building seven.

[00:19:38] And I disagree with the people who say there was supposed to be a plane hitting it. I think building seven was done just the way they wanted to do it. You know, we know that it contained the CIA, the FBI, the FCC, the mayor's command center. It, you know, it came down in the way it did, you know, announced early on both CNN and the BBC. And it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like an F you to all of us. It's basically saying anyone who has eyes to see can see this.

[00:20:06] And we're basically telling you that we did it. We're telling you we did it. And what are you going to do about it? And it's kind of like a, an overwhelming bit of cognitive dissonance. I once showed building seven coming down to the former head of BBC New York. And he said, this looks so much like controlled demolition that it can't be controlled demolition. And it's like, well, yeah, that's how they get you like that, that kind of cognitive earworm that just, you know, screws up your head. So, you know, I think the 9-11 is a false mystery.

[00:20:35] The Kennedy assassination is a false mystery. We know anyone who cares to have the kind of the emotional and cognitive ability, psychological ability to look at it knows that it had to be the top levels of our national security state to have the entire air defenses stand down, to let those buildings be infiltrated by whoever set those charges. I mean, you know, we know George Bush's cousin was on the board of the Securicom, the company that was supposedly providing security there.

[00:21:05] You know, they were working on the elevator shafts. This had to be a top level national security operation for everything to go the way it did. And what did it do? You know, I had a cousin who was in the State Department at the time and he said, we watched the contractors sprout like mushrooms on the road from Langley to DC. It was a huge boondoggle. Trillions of dollars got spent. They got the Patriot Act passed. They centralized power and control.

[00:21:31] And if you needed any further proof, COVID should have given it to people, which is that, you know, they're all in it together. I'm talking about all of the powers that be around the world, possibly with, you know, whatever city of London or Washington is the center of it. But you're talking about a massive worldwide. It's the apotheosis of globalization, technocracy. If you look at COVID, it was all the same messaging, right?

[00:21:58] Two weeks to stop the spread, two meters apart, six feet apart, wear a mask, wear three masks. Take, you know, you got it. The only thing that's going to stop it is the shot. They were all messaging the same way. The only thing that differed was the level of lockdown that each country had based primarily, I would say, on whether or not they were an armed country or not. And the states varied that way, too. You notice, and I'm not partisan, actually, but you notice that the red states had a lot fewer restrictions.

[00:22:27] It was kind of like the habit of mine that comes along maybe with the Second Amendment, the First Amendment, the whole Bill of Rights. That whole habit of liberty and freedom in the minds of people prevented, say, Florida or Montana from going through some of the same stuff that, say, New Zealand or New York or China did where they were welding people inside their houses. But we know from, I'm sure you guys know about Event 201, you know, they all sat around together before the pandemic and war game the pandemic.

[00:22:57] And who's sitting at the table? Chinese CDC sitting right next to the CDC. So the war on, 9-11 is the precursor event to COVID. You know, it's a consolidation and a centralization of power. They got all the countries of the world involved in that war on terror. You know, you're either with us or against us. Everybody had to send troops into the war zones.

[00:23:19] It became a giant boondoggle for the, you know, the military industrial complex worldwide and a way to, you know, suppress freedom around the world. That's what it is. And, you know, so, you know, we talk about this country or that country, Saudi Arabia, Israel. The fact is they're all in it together. They're all in it together and they're led by some centralized cabal of some kind. You know, we did a film called The American Ruling Class trying to look at all that.

[00:23:48] But it's, you know, it's a little unclear exactly how the top works. But we know that whoever controls the security apparatus of this country had to be arranging it from soup to nuts. They had to be flying those planes remotely from the ground. They probably had to be specialized so that the airframes didn't break up at sea level going 500 knots. And they had to be precisely guided in.

[00:24:13] And as Donald Trump, to his credit, says in our film, you know, I don't see how an aluminum plane could get into that steel cage building. That's a massively strong structure. I mean, I don't know what Chris has to say about that. But, you know, he I have to say Trump's bite actually opened my mind up to that. You know, I always knew from day one that it was, you know, an inside job just because I'd gone through a bunch of things.

[00:24:38] I'd worked on a CIA documentary when the 93 bombing happened in the anarchist newspaper said FBI bombs World Trade Center. I was like, oh, those guys are crazy. That's a bridge too far. But by the time but by the time 2001 happened, I'm like, oh, wait a second. Now, this is totally wrong. And Trump, to his credit, right there on the day is like, I don't get this. I was there at 93. My guy showed me the pit. Remember, that was a truck bomb at the foundation.

[00:25:04] It took out massive columns, structural columns, and the thing was standing no problem. And this supposed this plane supposedly enters this massive steel. As he points out, it's built the strongest you can build a building because not only does it have massive core columns around the elevator shafts, but it's got all this steel around it like a like a soup can, as he put it. And somehow this aluminum plane, you know, gets in and goes cuts through.

[00:25:30] And we're supposed to believe that that's what initiated the collapse along with the jet fuel. And it's just he saw it as ridiculous then. And I wish you would come out now and say more about why that was ridiculous, because it's clearly ridiculous. It's a false mystery. And it's the mystery is us. What are we going to do about it? How are we going to deal with it? Yeah, I want to and I want to flip to you, Chris.

[00:25:55] You know, you walk us through the experience at the morning of September 11th from your vantage point near the towers. You know, what did you see here and feel in real time that later struck you as inconsistent with the official story, inconsistent with your training? Because, you know, you, John, you hit on so many points and so many things we talk about in the show. We voted for Donald Trump. I'm still a supporter of Donald Trump. I think there's some things he's doing amazingly. I also think there's some things that he promised us that he's not doing jack shit about.

[00:26:25] I'm not happy about that. I expected the Department of Justice and I expected the FBI leadership, Kash Patel and others to do the right thing. I thought we were going to finally see it. I mean, let's face it. The administration released not all but part of the documentation on the Kennedy assassination. We know that the CIA's involvement is now proven, although we all believed it prior to this.

[00:26:50] If anybody knows the Kennedy assassination from the inside, it would be Roger Stone. I believe he's seen documents that nobody else has seen because, of course, his relationship with Rickster Nixon, he was extremely close and he was afforded access to some things that nobody else has ever seen. And of course. He cries bullshit that it's not everything. And that's from a guy that's probably seen some of the stuff that hasn't been released. Me personally, the day that it was confirmed as president United States, I would have shut down the CIA that day.

[00:27:20] The Christians in action have always been a problem. They've been well funded. There's missing funds, as you guys know. Department of Defense can't identify and their accounting. If any one of the four of us did it, we would be in prison right now for the two point four trillion dollars that seems to be missing the black budgets. I participated in black ops and black budgets. It's clear that there's a lot of money that moves around. Of course, they're printing the currency, the Federal Reserve and that we can even go into that. We've heard. And I got to ask this, Chris.

[00:27:50] There's a lot of stories about the missing gold. Give me your thoughts. Give me day one. And what do you think about any any indication of the missing goal? I mean, I'm sure we would have seen the molten gold. Even that couldn't have been atomized like the bodies were. Tell me what you saw day one and what things right away were just SAF, man. They were just suspicious as you know what. All right. I just want to clarify things.

[00:28:15] I am a volunteer fireman in Franklin Square, which is 20 miles to the east of Manhattan. So I was working on 9-11. I was in Brooklyn, just north of the Williamsburg Bridge. Now, I do. I did construction for a living. I was a heavy construction surveyor to as as my job.

[00:28:42] For the audience, you got that training in the Marine Corps, correct? Yes. You're training in that. Yes. I was trained as a construction surveyor in the Marines. Okay. So that that's what I did for a living. So on 9-11, I was working in Brooklyn. We heard the first plane hit and then we we saw the second tower explode. And then at the at that time, everybody was told to go home. So we rushed home.

[00:29:11] My fire department was activated to respond mutual aid to Manhattan and Queens. Everybody shift shifted towards the city as part of our mutual aid response. So I didn't get down to ground zero until the following day. And what I saw was something that, you know, you don't expect to see in the middle of New York City.

[00:29:40] You don't expect to come into this scene of utter devastation. And it, you know, it kind of blows your mind away. You've seen pictures on TV, but when you when you're down there in the middle of it and then you're looking for whatever you could find to your friends. It. It. It's off. It is. It's awful. It's awful.

[00:30:02] But my I bought into what the the official narrative and the government was saying for for many years afterwards, because everybody's in shock. And they were being bombarded by the government telling all the news agencies, you know, after the first day, it was Osama bin Laden. And he did it. And they just kept saying that.

[00:30:26] So, you know, for many years, that's that was the official narrative that I believed in. I wanted to get back to Building 7. Building 7 is I want to stress this, Lance, that Building 7 is the key. One of the keys to exposing 9-11 because Building 7 is a controlled demolition.

[00:30:49] And what the 9-11 Commission report says is they omitted Building 7 completely from the 9-11 Commission report like it never happened. Now, you have a 47 story steel frame building in Manhattan that just collapses from normal office fires and it's not included in the official report. So a lot of people don't even know about Building 7.

[00:31:19] Most I would say half the people in this country don't know that a third skyscraper fell on 9-11 and this one wasn't hit by a plane. So what did the government do? NIST, the National Institute for Standards and Technology issued a report. They were tasked with issuing a report on the collapse. And they didn't issue their report until seven years after.

[00:31:46] Who remembers anything seven years after? You know, like they just waited all this time and then they issued this report and they said it was normal office fires. But as I said, as a construction survey, a heavy construction survey. Now I've been involved with the construction of high rise buildings, all kinds of structures in and around the New York Metro area from the ground up.

[00:32:13] And Building 7, what got me, I was working on the job many years later and one of my friends showed me a close up video of Building 7 collapses. And I didn't really pay Building 7 any mind up until that point. And I just, I couldn't believe what I was seeing because the building is collapsing from the bottom down. It's not collapsing from the top down. And it collapses symmetrically. And I'm like, you know what?

[00:32:43] All the columns had to have failed simultaneously. You can't have a symmetrical collapse from asymmetrical damage and let alone a plane that wasn't hit. I'm sorry, a building wasn't hit by a plane. There is no jet fuel. And they're trying to say that the fire is burned all, raged all day in this building. And that's not true. The sprinkler systems were working. They have videos of the sprinkler systems working.

[00:33:11] And they show pictures of the building where the fires had already gone out in the area where supposedly this one column 79 came off its seat, which is total BS. Because they totally ignore what NIST did was they took a model of the building and to try and get it to look like the videos of the actual collapse, they started taking out structural elements.

[00:33:37] So they omitted and deleted all these structural elements until they got to a scenario where it kind of looked like the video of the collapse, but it didn't. And then when you see the NIST video, they don't even show you the whole video. They show you like the first few seconds of the video of the building collapse and then they cut it because in their video, the building was starting to lean over. And that's not what happened in their model. Yeah. I have a question.

[00:34:06] Is there any testing today? Do any testing for any type of explosive materials in either the Trade Center or Building 7 for C4 or anything? No, sir, George. They did not test. They did not follow NFPA 921, which is the guidelines for investigating explosive explosions and fire incidents of that.

[00:34:33] It's just the way that any government agency would would properly investigate. I have two questions for you, Chris. Yes. Your experience in commercial development and buildings is really you have an advantage over a typical responder that that was your livelihood. Yes. Tell me about the quality of the construction of the towers and Building 7.

[00:35:01] My understanding from Richard Gage and many others is that they were of the highest quality because of the wind shear they had to deal with with the height of the buildings. That's not Building 7, but the towers themselves. And that they didn't cut any corners. Did you did you come up with the same conclusion that this quality of construction was so high? Because we've seen buildings that have been built like crap, right? We know it. It happens. Unions get involved. Lots of things happen, especially in the New York development arena. Yeah.

[00:35:29] With your experience and your knowledge, would you say that the quality was of the highest degree when it came to the construction of those buildings? Absolutely, Lance. The construction on the Twin Towers was the structure itself was robust.

[00:35:49] And the thickness of the steel columns, the core columns, just the web was four to five inches thick steel beams. And there's no way in hell that you're going to tell me that fire melted, melted these beams or even damaged these beams.

[00:36:10] And the construction itself, the Twin Towers were constructed to survive the impact or to absorb the impact of a fully loaded 707 jet. So the towers themselves were constructed to withstand impacts from from jets, which were slightly smaller, but four engine models and carry just a little bit less fuel.

[00:36:35] But configuration wise, they were almost the size of a 727 or whatever, whatever hit the planes, the buildings. Yeah. And you know, that's one of the things that I think is so unsettling about this story. Of course, when we see a narrative take a grip so early, they seem to identify Osama very early. People don't necessarily know the background of Osama bin Laden and his connections to the CIA.

[00:37:02] Of course, dumping the body at the at sea seemed to be a convenient way to dispose of any truth that they'd actually executed him that morning. But, you know, my concern and I've got to ask you this is that. We know that there's a lot of questions. I heard stories about the dump trucks being there very rapidly, the materials being removed before all the testing have been done.

[00:37:30] You know, when it comes to especially when you pull an insurance policy, if I'm going to, you know, and of course, the mob in New York were experts at this. You know, the ownership had just taken out a terrorist insurance on those buildings. It seemed to be very fortuitous that he was able to time it prior to this. Were there any investigations done to the ownership of the buildings and the fact that he had secured these insurance policies?

[00:37:56] And my next question is, wouldn't that normally trigger additional testing to see if there was any? And of course, we knew that the elevator shafts were worked on. At least they would say they were working on the elevator shafts. What are your thoughts on that? You know, and what are the other responders that were saying? John, I want to ask you because you there are many more people you interviewed. So let's start with Chris. I know that was a handful I just gave you. Yeah. Give me your thoughts on that.

[00:38:22] Lance, as per NFPA 921. It's very specific about the steps that need to be followed to investigate an incident just like this, where you people it would be. If the owner in an arson investigation, if it was they missed, totally ignored NFPA 921.

[00:38:51] All the government agencies ignored NFPA 921 because if they had followed NFPA 921, they would have investigated Larry Silverstein. Because in a normal house fire, you have a regular house fire on your block.

[00:39:06] If the neighbor's house burns down and the police and they suspected to be arson and they find out that the homeowner had just taken out insurance on his house for for fire like a week before the house burns down, he automatically becomes a suspect.

[00:39:25] So Larry Silverstein should have been considered a suspect, a key suspect, because not only did he take out insurance on the buildings, he took out an extra policy covering that specific terrorist incident against those buildings. So not only that, and he made sure that to specify that each tower was considered a singular event.

[00:39:52] So he got paid twice for those buildings. And if they would have investigated, they automatically, if a fireman or a policeman or a first responder says that I heard an explosion, that's grounds to initiate an investigation for explosives. NIST did not do that. They didn't follow that.

[00:40:18] They said they didn't, they said they, this is how NIST the double speak, the government has double speak. They said they didn't find any evidence of explosives. But then in the same breath, one of the reporters at a press conference said, well, did you check for explosives? And they said, no, we didn't check for explosives. So it's like, come on. It's a great way to answer though, right? It's a great way to confuse the public had that, had that reporter never asked that question.

[00:40:47] People would assume that meant they tested for explosives. And the atomization of the material, I've seen, you know, lots of demolition over the years, participated in some. That only happens when the bodies are hit by a forceful impact. You know, even the material that was ejected from the building.

[00:41:10] If you look at the videos and you see this ejection of material to the exterior, if you know anything about explosives, you're right away. So there's no way that that material ejected like that without propellant, without a demolition to cause that. John, you interviewed a ton of people, not only the people that showed up in the film. You know, tell me, give me your thoughts on what we were just discussing. Well, I first got to say, you know, Shyam Sunder, you know, this reminds one of COVID, right?

[00:41:39] Shyam Sunder, the head of NIST who gives the, or the guy in charge of the investigation, to what Chris is saying. You know, we didn't look because, you know, there would have been sounds of explosions and lots of eyewitness accounts of explosions and there weren't any. And we in the film cut right to kaboom on film, right? And what you hear that whole day is everyone talking about multiple explosions before, during, and after the plane impacts, before, during, and after the collapses.

[00:42:09] Even after, you know, the first two towers are coming down, there are explosions going on. And explosions going even, I think, even after seven comes down. But there are explosion sounds and I would, going all throughout this. So it's totally disingenuous. He just straight up lies there. I got a funny story for you about Larry Silverstein. My business partner was hired in the 90s to do a hit piece on Donald Trump. Okay? She's now a Trump fan, funny enough.

[00:42:35] But the fun, but back then in the early 90s, she was interviewing all of these real estate developers about Donald Trump. And she was told by everybody that the most honest developer, funny enough, was Larry Silverstein. And she would go jogging with him and a whole group of developers as they went around. So it's interesting that he had that reputation. And it's interesting that he agreed to buy these buildings at the time that he did.

[00:43:04] Who suggested that he do that? What assurances was he given? We know that the buildings were halfway filled, at least, with asbestos. Right? We know that the remediation on the asbestos in those buildings would have been something like a million dollars a square foot. It was like a ridiculous amount of money to make those buildings compliant and healthy. Okay?

[00:43:29] We know that the buildings themselves were, for lack of a better term, dogs in terms of internet and heating and cooling. And then you had this problem that they were packed with asbestos. So no one wants these buildings. They don't know what to do with them. And they're having occupancy issues, all kinds of things. So to me, this is a question of you're looking at a big operation here. Somebody must have come to Silverstein and said, you're going to buy these buildings.

[00:43:59] Okay? And don't worry about it. We're going to make sure you're going to be the guy. You're going to be totally compensated. You're going to make some money out of this. And we're going to build this new tower there and a new Building 7, which went up real quick, actually. Went up first, the new Building 7. And then we're going to parade you out every once in a while. You're going to say some crazy stuff like he goes on that PBS show. And he said, you know, there was such a loss of life. I told him to buy a cheap. Why don't we just go ahead and pull them?

[00:44:28] And the order was given, and we watched the buildings come down. And, of course, everyone's asking him for years, what did you mean by pull it? What did you mean by that? You can't just decide to pull a building. As you guys well know, it takes months to set those charges and do all that kind of stuff. So he was kind of put out there, as were a number of other things, I would say, to kind of, you know, obviously it's like highly suspicious.

[00:44:52] But he's taking, he was asked to kind of be one of the front men in this, as were, you could say, you know, some of the neocons or the idea of, you know, there's all kinds of shenanigans that go on in these operations to kind of divert and confuse. But, you know, I mean, look, we talked to people, one of the people in the film, Karen Deshore, where she sees flashes going around and around the buildings, okay? She's there looking up and seeing this happen.

[00:45:20] Explain to the audience, because, of course, when you're demolishing a building and you're using that kind of ordinance, you're going to see flashes. Because that's how it works. And we've seen the videos of the flashes in the windows. Nobody can explain it. They try to blame it on failing electrical. But the pattern in which those flashes are being observed, that doesn't look like failing electrical. That looks like a pattern. And, of course, when you're using ordinance to do that, that's what it looks like.

[00:45:50] So give me some details from both of you guys. How many different people have repeated the story about the flashes and the explosions? I mean, how many different individuals? Well, hundreds and dozens. And the squibs, and you can see it on the video, even more than the flashes, it's very clear. You see squibs coming out at different levels below the destruction path. And then there are certain angles where you can simply just see, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's so clearly explosions.

[00:46:19] It's so clear. Isn't it with the one camera on the building? I think it was one of the medias. He had a camera on a tripod on the building facing the trade center. And when you see a flash, you see the floor coming down after the flash. Like you're saying, a succession flashes, and then the floor's coming down. That timing is uncanny, I might plan. No, it's ridiculous. Look, as I say, it's a false mystery. You know, we've interviewed Roger Stone. You know, he's a great guy.

[00:46:46] And, you know, we interviewed him for a film we did, a film that you can see right now called Four Died Trying. It's about the major assassinations of the 60s. It's a series of films that's coming out now. We're wrestling with either the government, we're not sure, or, you know, someone who's misguided and we're having to sue to get him out. But one of them's out right now.

[00:47:08] You can listen to Roger Stone talk about how Nixon told him, you know, Lyndon and I both wanted to be president, but I wasn't ready to kill for it. Right? That was Nixon's statement. And Stone understands all this stuff very well. I mean, we've had conversations about this. It's, look, it's just like when they take Lee Harvey Oswald through a police station and kill him on live national television, okay? That's meant to send a message to anybody who's, like, able to process it.

[00:47:37] We did it. Because, you know, there's no way they'd let the suspect in the most, you know, momentous killing in modern American history be killed by some random dude, you know, in a police, in police custody. That's just not going to happen unless they want it to happen and they want you to see it happening. And, you know, Building 7, for instance, is sitting there. You can see it. The towers themselves should be evidence enough.

[00:48:04] There's no way, like, any competent engineer or anyone looking at that should, like, if you divorce the politics, as everyone on that day did. Every single newscaster, as you see in our film, recognizes that these buildings could not have come down in the way they did without the use of explosives. They all say it. So does the fire. Fire, man. Yeah, please.

[00:48:28] Lance, George, there are over 150 sworn testimonies from FDNY and NYPD, New York City EMS, sworn testimonies regarding the explosions. They were not included in the 9-11 commission report, as they should have been, and they should have been investigated further under NFPA 921.

[00:48:57] They just ignored and they suppressed these testimonies, and it took a lawsuit by the New York Times to get these testimonies released. That's right. Yeah, and the cover-up of that, you know, you mentioned Oswald. We had Judith Vary Baker on there who, you know, alleges she was his girlfriend. I mean, her boyfriend, his boyfriend, his girlfriend. And I believe her. Me too. She said there's no way that Oswald did it.

[00:49:24] And my take is I think that she has a lot of credible reasons to do that. And, of course, Roger Stone explains the Oswald situation probably as well as anybody because, again, I think he's seen things that other people haven't. But, you know, when you have sworn affidavits, you think that would be enough, right, that you have that many eyewitness accounts. You're right about the squibs, which, for the audience, those are the detonators that set off the explosives.

[00:49:49] And when they're using things like debt cord, you know, you need that to trigger it for the audience. That's why you would see those flashes in the window. Let me ask you this. You know, there's a lot of photos. There's some photos about Building 7. There's some photos of explosives that have circulated. What do you think about the authenticity of that information and those individuals that were working in the Building 7 building? I don't know if you've seen those images, but they're circulating around. I don't know if they're authentic.

[00:50:17] They are out there before AI because AI is getting pretty sophisticated at this point. What do you think about that? And I have to ask. I think what Lance is talking about is there was a close-up video and you could see flashes in the windows. And then the building starts to collapse. And it was prefaced by the remarks that they found this video camera in the wreckage and this, you know, hasn't been seen.

[00:50:47] I ran this past my sister who worked for the New York Post. She was a graphic illustrator and artist. And she said that it was a video that was kind of sketchy to say the least. Yeah, it was.

[00:51:05] Believe it or not, when I saw that video coupled with the video that my friends had shown me on the construction site, that was one of the videos that initially just got me questioning to make me look further. And I found other things. And I found the other videos that weren't sketchy that were documented from that day. And that brought me to where I am today. Let me, for the audience, we talked about the atomized bodies.

[00:51:35] I know you guys found socks and shoes, but there was no bodies. And everybody expected there was going to be this massive amount of bodies. To atomize a human being into powder, is there any theory that you've come across that that could ever happen with jet fuel and no other accelerants? No. Or just to collapse.

[00:51:59] And, you know, Chris should talk about, I mean, Chris lost a number of friends that day, some of whom they found some of and some of whom they found none of. So, I mean, you know, I don't know, Chris, if you want to talk about Tommy and those guys. But I had three good friends, Tommy Hetzel, Mike Kiefer and Bobby Evans, all FDNY. And Tommy Hetzel was a member in my volunteer fire department as well.

[00:52:26] And he almost made it out of the building. There are, we have eyewitness accounts from other people that other firefighters who made it out who were with him. And he had helped some people get out of an elevator. And they found he was on his way out of the building. They found most of him in a stairwell.

[00:52:49] My friend, Bobby Evans, they only found like bits and pieces of his legs, which were identified through DNA. And my friend, Mike Kiefer, they never found they never found anything of him, not a trace.

[00:53:07] So for people to just be blown to pieces, there's no way you're going to tell me that if we believe the official narrative, okay, this is a progressive collapse. Okay. A progressive collapse is like pancakes. First of all, there's no pancake floors. If you look at other buildings that have collapsed in that fashion, there's always the floors are always stacked up one on top of the other. That's why they call it pancakes.

[00:53:34] The people are crushed, but they're not atomized or vaporized. They're still there. They're compressed and they're fragmented, but there's enough there that you could identify human remains. Now, a lot of the victims at the trade centers, they were just literally blown to pieces so that there's nothing left. And that doesn't occur in a progressive collapse.

[00:54:02] That comes from something other than that. And if I can add, there's a guy named Bob McIlvain, as you saw in the film, and he's included in this as a responder because he responded very early. His son was killed in Tower One, and he responded first by saying, you're not going to go to war in my son's name. And then he responded by looking into everything that happened.

[00:54:28] And you've got to imagine, put yourselves in the shoes of a father looking at the forensic details of your son's murder. And what does he have? He's got pieces of his jaw, and he didn't have any socks and shoes on because he was blown out of his socks and shoes. So he's got parts of his lower body, et cetera, the top of his head's missing.

[00:54:53] And he's looking at this, and we did a lot of work with Richard Gage, architects and engineers. We've been working with these guys for almost two decades, or as long as they've been around. And Ted Walter, who's our co-producer on this at the International Center for 9-11 Justice. And we would do these films and these ads with Bob McIlvain. And he started coming in saying there was a bomb went off in the tower, in Tower One, before the first plane hit.

[00:55:21] And one of the reasons I know that is because my son was taken out. He was caught by this explosion. He was in the lobby. He was just cutting through. So it didn't happen during the explosive demolition, even. It didn't happen. You know, it happened. And he started saying before the first plane hit. And I'm thinking, at first, I was like, oh, gosh, you know, Bob, you know, he's grief-ridden. He's looking at this stuff. Well, as it turns out, the evidence completely backs him up.

[00:55:50] His body was in the morgue before, his son's body was in the morgue before the towers came down. It turns out that there are all these eyewitness accounts of a bomb going off probably in the sub-basement seconds before, something like six to seven seconds before the first plane hit. And we know William Rodriguez, who was a janitor down there, he was blown upwards. And people came out with their skin hanging out from the sub-basements. He was in the sub-basement. And, you know, and then he heard that the plane hit.

[00:56:20] And then there are all these – we got him in the film. There are all these, you know, women and people who come out and say there was a bomb that hit the lobby first, and then the first plane hit. And that's what happened to his son. So here's this brave father who looks at this, who refuses to flinch. He's looking at it. People like Chris who lost, you know, dear friends who are, you know, they're brave enough to look at this. And it's, you know, I know we all think it's a little hopeless, you know, how do we get people around this.

[00:56:48] But it's like I'm hoping that if people can see these responders, and I mean all of these responders, who are now – who are able after being threatened and scared and cowed. I mean Sue Keene, she went to the – you know, she's in our film. She's now passed from, no doubt, the inhalation. She was blown all across the lobby of Tower 1 when Tower 2 was getting blown up.

[00:57:11] And she felt all the six characteristics of an explosion, you know, the vacuum, the heat, the shrapnel, all of that. And she's taken through that by Graham McQueen. She goes to talk to the 9-11 Commission, and they're telling this woman who was in hide-and-survive units, repersing missile units, okay, where they would blow stuff up around you in order to train you to handle that and be cool. And she knows what an explosion sounds like. She's there in Iraq as a sergeant, you know, doing supplies.

[00:57:40] She's there at the Highway of Death. She knows what explosions are. And they're telling her, oh, what you heard, she's talking about the explosions to the 9-11 Commission. They're asking her questions based on her handwritten testimony. And they're like, so what did you hear? You know, let's hear what you heard. And she's like, I heard explosions. There were explosions going on all around me, and I was blowing all over the place. And they tell her, oh, that was fax machines exploding. That was copy machines exploding. So, yeah. And that's the thing.

[00:58:08] Somebody that has that experience, normal explosions, IEDs, and others, you're going to get ejection of body parts. You know, a human body normally breaks apart in chunks without getting into too much detail for the audience. To atomize a body, the massive amount of pressure you need. And that's what brings me kind of to my next thing for both of you. Lance, hold on. Before we do that, we want to play the trailer? Yeah, let's do that. Let's play the trailer. You guys got the one with Ron Johnson? Yep.

[00:58:38] That's the good one, yeah. Yeah. All right, here we go. All right, thanks. Are you aware that you have just made the most dangerous movie ever made in this country? Things just kept going and blowing. What happened? It was an explosion. It was in the lobby. The third explosion, the whole lobby collapsed on us.

[00:59:05] I watched the movie this afternoon, yeah, The Responders. Was it good? It was great. I thought it was really brilliantly made, and it's totally compelling and convincing. I swear I thought I heard three explosions. We heard three small explosions. The next thing I hear, I heard one explosion, not boom, boom, boom, boom. I watched the movie, The Responder. You are uncovering new information.

[00:59:34] I'd never heard of Bobby McElveen. I'd never heard of him. On 9-11, Bobby, I know for sure, died before the towers were hit. I'd never heard of the evidence where he was murdered before the first plane hit. I think a bomb went off in the lobby first, then a plane hit the building. The bomb hit the lobby first, and a couple of seconds, then the first plane hit.

[00:59:58] I'd never seen or heard of those witnesses that Graham McQueen was interviewing as part of that. I'd never heard of those women. Her testimony is there. It's part of the historical record. Like you said, 150 other people said it too, so that's not so much a relief, but at least I know I'm not crazy. It was going around the tower, and then it went to the next one on the bottom. But now it was bright red.

[01:00:25] The bottom line here is that the American public has not been told the complete truth about the events of that fateful autumn morning. Watch this 9-11 movie. This isn't like anything you've ever seen before, and it's all true.

[01:00:40] I absolutely think that if more people see this film, that there's going to be a huge awakening.

[01:01:29] Let's talk about, for the audience, let me go through some of this stuff just very quickly. So there was sound, there was pressure waves, you know, the timing of the explosions. I don't believe it was fax machines by any stretch of the imagination. I haven't seen too many fax machines blow up over the years. But, you know, when you have an explosion, there's energy release, of course, and gas expansion. There's the formation of that shock wave that's, you know, supersonic overpressure.

[01:01:58] There's the vacuum phase that some people may not know about, and even that thermal radiation that happens. Let's talk, let's go with you first, Chris. You've talked to a lot of people. These are the normal steps in an explosion. You know, that sound wave when it hits you and that overpressure, and of course, the vacuum. Anybody that's been around explosives has felt all of those. How many people, you know, brought up things that made absolutely no sense about a building collapse that wasn't triggered by explosives?

[01:02:36] Nobody, nobody's really questioning that. But to get back to what you were saying about when you have an explosion, right, and people are blown into bits and pieces. The papers had put out a map, and they showed the radius around the buildings where they found bits and pieces of people, fragments of bone on top of the roofs.

[01:03:04] And they were hundreds of feet away from the building. Just bits and pieces of people were found. There's a map that exists. Like I said, my sister worked for the New York Post as a graphic artist, and she put together this radius map, and it shows exactly how far out from the building all of these fragments of people were found.

[01:03:26] So how do you get, if it's a progressive collapse without an explosion, why are we finding bits and pieces of fragmented people hundreds of feet away from these buildings? Yeah. Yeah. You know, a lot of people don't know this without, again, going into too much teeth. Teeth become projectiles, interestingly enough, in a lot of explosions. The teeth get projected farther than a lot of other bodies. Why that is, I don't know.

[01:03:56] I don't know if it's the way a tooth looks. But when it gets ejected, you know, there are people that have been struck with teeth, which actually penetrated their own body. And that comes from, you know, being in the Middle East. I saw a lot of post events. It was around a couple of close ones because, of course, they use a system in the Middle East where they set off one device. But the larger devices triggered post of that first device. But you guys interviewed some people.

[01:04:24] John, I saw some stuff about people getting burned from the, you know, the radiation that occurs. I mean, that heat radiation. I don't mean nuclear radiation. But it occurs when an explosion happens. It'll singe the skin off. It'll take your eyebrows. And, of course, that shock wave, that internal pressure. A lot of people don't realize a lot of times a shock wave, if you're close enough, will kill you because it will do things to your organs. Let's talk about that a little bit and explain to the audience.

[01:04:51] You interviewed, you got one in the movie where it's very compelling how she ended up, you know, getting burned. But wasn't near any fire. Well, all the explosive phenomena that you're talking about were present in Sue Keane's case in the lobby on the mezzanine of Tower 1 as Tower 2 was being blown up. And so she had that thermal burn.

[01:05:21] She had shrapnel. She experienced both a whoosh going this way and a vacuum going that way. When she was, you know, talking to the 9-11 commission, she talked about the shrapnel was still coming out of her body. You know, the sound, of course, is the big one that you hear. That's very evident.

[01:05:41] You know, look, again, anyone looking, hopefully people can look even at that trailer, at the way the buildings are, you know, pluming into powder. You know, that's, like Chris said, you know, a pancake, boom, boom, boom, that's not going to create all of that concrete dust. I mean, Chris talks about in the film, you've got, like, construction-grade concrete. It's like, what, 5,000 PSI or something, Chris?

[01:06:11] I mean, it's not sidewalk concrete even. It's, like, super, super intense concrete. How are you going to turn that to dust just from the weight of one thing happening on top of the other? I mean, it's so clear. Look, you see the top of the building kind of canted over and then it's gone. It's like it blows to dust as it's going down because, you know, they create a kind of a movie illusion that the collapse is initiated where the plane struck.

[01:06:40] But then they're just blowing up both the bottom and the top as the thing is coming down and it's all kind of hidden in the smoke. So, you know, I can't really understand what's happening and I'm, like, my brain is being confused by what looks like a Hollywood movie. It looks like the aliens, you know, and some people think there was directed energy. I'm not one of those people. But, you know, I've read Judy Wood's book.

[01:07:04] But I think this was, you know, pure and simple high-grade explosives coupled with cutter charges, no doubt, you know. And there's been evidence of thermite found in the dust, okay? The evidence of these little globules of, you know, superheated iron, that's been found. You know, they found that residue. We know that explosives were used.

[01:07:30] You can just watch all three buildings come down the way they do. You can listen to what Chris is saying about these bits of bone and giant pieces of steel, you know, that are ejected laterally hundreds of feet. Gravity-driven collapses don't do that. They don't atomize people. They don't atomize construction-grade concrete. They don't break steel up into almost nothing except maybe a couple of chunks here and there that, you know, get sent off. And so that you don't have a pile at the end.

[01:08:00] You know, it all goes in nicely into that well, you know, the foundation well. And most of it's gone, you know, most of it's gone. Then, of course, they cart off the remaining steel to, you know, to China and to India or wherever they sent it so that there's no evidence, which is exactly what they did in the Kennedy. Which is against NFPA 921. Once again, that's called destruction of the evidence at the scene.

[01:08:25] You can't, and it was Bill Manning from Fire Engineering Magazine brought this up back in, I believe, 2002. He wrote an article that they were carting away all the evidence without any forensic testing being done. That is against every protocol and procedure for investigating arson and explosion incidents. This was not... Do you ever have any regrets that you didn't grab some five-gallon buckets from Home Depot and scoop up a bunch of the material?

[01:08:55] Do you ever wish that you had buckets of that material from every one of the buildings? No, Lance, you know what? At the time, you're in a state of shock. You really are. I didn't come out... I was numb for a year. I think I stayed inebriated for a year because I went to so many wakes and funerals. You know, you were just... You weren't there. And I wasn't... No, you know what?

[01:09:22] You're not thinking along those lines that, you know, maybe I should save some of the dust maybe later for testing because, you know, at that point, you're numb. And, you know, you're trying to... I was trying to find my friends and, you know, you're not thinking that. All right. Let me ask... I got to ask this question because I know George wants to know because George is a believer that there is no gold in Fort Knox. Let's talk about the gold.

[01:09:54] Any... From both of you guys. I know the audience wants to know. We've mentioned it before on the show. You know, the gold. Anybody have any idea? I mean, if, you know, gold's a metal, even at extreme heat, it would have melted. It wouldn't just disappear. You guys have any theories on that at all, either one of you? No. Chris, I mean, I know that, yeah, there was a bunch of gold supposedly stored in buildings, in building seven.

[01:10:21] And, you know, it managed to get out, right? You know, we know that they're... You're absolutely right. It would have... The temperatures we see, I mean, people there days and weeks after are still seeing molten steel in rivulets, right? I mean, in the 9-11 film done by the Naudet brothers on CBS, they talk about molten rivulets of steel. We know that jet fuel can't do that, okay? So whatever...

[01:10:50] They used some, you know, as I say... Well, it's clear for the audience, thermite does do that. And thermite's a material used by the military and others for, of course, a lot of times they'll use thermite when they're pulling out. I'm surprised we didn't use it in Afghanistan, but we know why they didn't use it there. You would have thought they would have used thermite and all the equipment they left behind, at least if they were going to do what they did,

[01:11:12] which I'm still in shock over a lot of that stuff showed up on the dark web and in the hands of our, you know, most dangerous enemies like the CCP. They were on the ground on the runways waiting. I had people from MI6 that I was friends with and told me, well, the Chinese are just... They're already in Afghanistan and they're just waiting for the last of the American troops to leave. And they went in there and they went on a shopping spree to buy as much of our technology. Well, you know... I didn't mean to cut you off, but I want to be... No, I mean... Well, well...

[01:11:41] And JetTube doesn't do that, but thermite does. Thermite does. And, you know, but to the point that you're just raising about, like, handing stuff over to our enemies, or as you raised earlier, how are all these military-aged men coming across the border? Like, who, you know, what's going on here? It's like they're setting up the pretext for the next thing, right? And I think, personally, they're all in it together. I mean, I don't know if any of you've read William Engdahl's book, A Century of War, but he's got this great stuff on Iran, right? Right?

[01:12:10] The Ayatollah Khomeini was known as a CIA mullah. He was flown from the Paris Hilton, if you'll pardon the expression, to Tehran in 79, and essentially installed there on a plane load of CIA and U.S. press. When he's installed, the top of Sabak, the CIA-trained security force, steps down, and the number two, who's best friends with the Shah growing up, becomes the next guy.

[01:12:38] So in my view, that entire episode of the Iranian revolution is a fraud. I personally think, I'm going to go out on a limb here, I think, like, Ukraine and Russia, that's a war by arrangement. It's a proxy war by arrangement. We know we're not going to go all the way nuclear unless we're going to do it in a controlled way. We're basically saying, we're going to have a nice hardware test, and we're going to do some things to the societies. Russia is going to become even more militarized.

[01:13:05] Ukraine, you know, it's an opportunity for our military-industrial complex to make a lot of money sending weapons out there, and we can have tension in the world because without fear and tension and the threat of, you know, oh, those guys are across the border, or, oh, you know, Iran's out to get us, or, oh, you know, whatever. Without enemies, what becomes of our national security establishment? They have no reason to exist.

[01:13:33] You always have to have an enemy for it to move on. I know we're running out of time here, and I want to make sure I give you guys what I like to call the shameless plug period. I want people to follow you on social media. I want people to watch the movie. And in that same period, I just want you to say, what would you hope that the movie accomplishes with the American public? But let's start with you, Chris. Where can they find you on social media? I don't know if you have a sub stack. I don't know what you do to get this information out. You can't find me on social media.

[01:14:03] I'm flying under the radar for obvious reasons. But I will say this, all right, because you've said a shameless plug. I will ask people to please watch this documentary that John has made. At least watch the first 10 or 15 minutes. If you don't like what you see, you could just turn it off. But it's factual.

[01:14:33] It's statements made by people who were at ground zero on 9-11. They have nothing. There's no reason for them to lie. They're talking about what they saw and what they felt. And let the facts and the testimonies stand for themselves. Just believe. Seeing is believing. And don't, you know, just keep an open mind. There's nothing wrong with questioning the official narrative.

[01:15:03] It doesn't mean you are not patriotic. You are, you're entitled to my friends. You're entitled to ask questions. My friends were murdered right in front of me. And I am not going to rest until I get some justice. Because it's just wrong what happened on 9-11. It's wrong for the country and it's wrong for people. You don't do stuff like that and think you're going to get away with it. Yeah.

[01:15:33] And go ahead, John. Give it a plug. My thought is maybe we need to grab 95-year-old Larry Silverstein and waterboard his ass. Him and his family members. And maybe if we had him in a room, we'd take a trip to Home Depot first. Some plastic sheets. I bet we get some answers. But maybe that's not the way the American public would do it. But I got to tell you, if I was in charge, I would get the answers. And I would videotape the whole thing. He'd be a place to start. But so would, you know, so George Bush is still alive. Hey, I'm with you. You put him in there, too.

[01:16:03] I mean, he's a little closer maybe to the top. Maybe not the top. But look, if people go to the respondersfilm.com, you can find the links. So you can watch it on Amazon or Google or YouTube or whatever. But what we're hoping people do is they either rent 10 films or buy 10 films to send. It's very easy. You go on the website. You fill out the emails you want to send it to. You send this to people. You get the word out.

[01:16:29] In the old Soviet Union, they had something called Samizdat when banned books and banned information had to be mimeographed and passed out like underground. Right. This is like a modern version of Samizdat. If you can because we're getting banned, we're getting shadow banned, we're getting suppressed. If people can take it upon themselves to pass on the word of these brave responders who are coming out against a lot of pressure. A lot of pressure.

[01:16:56] The way to support these guys is to get their word out there, send it around to 10 people. And by the way, we're also going to be doing a podcast called The Responders Podcast where now that the film's out, a lot more responders are coming out. And, you know, we're hoping to start with a certain guy whose name I won't mention who was at Building 7 who saw guys with black rifles telling him he could not clear the building. He could not clear the building.

[01:17:24] And, you know, you just walk away and there was a guy in a brand new Carhartt, you know, looking like, oh, that one's coming down, you know, like, like, you know, a guy who is obviously not a real guy. OK, so this is the kind of thing these guys dealt with. And these guys are now coming out and we're hoping to start an avalanche. We got to support Senator Ron Johnson.

[01:17:44] He said to us at the 9-11 conference that we had on the 25th anniversary, he said, I'm the head of the Senate subcommittee on investigations, but I can't I don't even have the power to make this happen. It's got to be you. It's got to be the people out there spreading this word. So please please go to the responders film dot com. Watch it, you know, and send out 10 to your to your friends and family. All right. Well, we're out of time. Stick around for a minute, guys. I know George is running out of time here. So listen, we thank you for coming on.

[01:18:13] I just want to talk to you about something else on the side. Appreciate you guys tuning in. Take the short form. Take the long form. Spread it far and wide. Go watch the movie. Go gift the movie. Get the word out. Keep the pressure on. You can buy one for your congressional leadership in your particular state, House or Senate. Send it to them. Tell them it's a must watch and ask them what the fuck they're going to do about it because so far they're not doing anything. All right, George, last words. Thank you, gentlemen. Always a pleasure.

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