Real Talk With Zuby Music |EP402

[00:00:00] All men are created equal, but they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.

[00:00:08] By Liberty and the Beauty of God.

[00:00:12] If Liberty means anything at all, it means right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

[00:00:25] That's great again.

[00:00:37] The Big Mig.

[00:00:43] Welcome back to The Big Mig Show.

[00:00:45] I'm your host, Lance Migliaccio, with my co-host, George Ballantyne.

[00:00:48] It's Rise and Grind doing what we do.

[00:00:51] Tip of the spear, because if Liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

[00:00:56] And, you know, on this show, we do it each and every episode.

[00:00:58] We try to do the work so you don't have to.

[00:01:00] We bring you the facts, the evidence, the sauce.

[00:01:03] Really is irrelevant what you call it.

[00:01:05] Of course, that way you can take the information and hopefully help us educate the country.

[00:01:10] And once again, unify us.

[00:01:12] Division and chaos is the obvious tool of the left.

[00:01:15] This is the Let's Talk music edition.

[00:01:17] You guys know we love this edition.

[00:01:19] I'm a music guy.

[00:01:21] Everybody knows that.

[00:01:22] We enjoy having people from different genres coming on.

[00:01:25] I'm excited today because it's a great guy.

[00:01:29] He's kind of a modern day poet, I have to say.

[00:01:32] I started following Zuby years ago on one of my original Twitter accounts under Jack Dorsey's reign.

[00:01:39] And since then, I've followed him back.

[00:01:41] He's really an interesting guy.

[00:01:44] If you aren't following him, you can head to Zuby Music.

[00:01:46] I would definitely do it.

[00:01:48] But I won't try to pronounce his full name.

[00:01:51] I'm going to let him do that because like my name, I'm sure I would butcher it normally at the airport.

[00:01:56] You guys know they usually call me Mr. Muchacho when they call me to the podium for my flights.

[00:02:01] And that, of course, is not my name.

[00:02:04] But listen, he's an independent rapper.

[00:02:06] He's an author, podcast host, obviously social media influencer.

[00:02:10] He's been all over the press.

[00:02:12] He's a public speaker, creative entrepreneur.

[00:02:14] He has over 2 million followers on all social media, 1.2 on X right now.

[00:02:20] He was born in England, not something that I knew originally, and then raised in Saudi Arabia,

[00:02:25] which has given him obviously a very global perspective.

[00:02:28] And I think that that flows through in what he's doing in his creative talent.

[00:02:34] He's a graduate of Oxford University.

[00:02:36] I didn't know that either up until a couple of days ago.

[00:02:39] He has sold tens of thousands of albums and books independently performed in 10 countries

[00:02:44] and gained 50 million plus online video views.

[00:02:48] He has a podcast called Real Talk with the Zuby.

[00:02:51] That surpassed 20 million downloads and streams and reaches thousands of listeners every week.

[00:02:55] He's done interviews with Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Piers Morgan, Ben Shapiro, and many others.

[00:03:03] Obviously not getting the good interviews, you can tell by that list.

[00:03:05] I think he topped our list, man.

[00:03:09] Yeah, he's crushing us at the moment.

[00:03:11] Hopefully we aspire.

[00:03:12] We'd love to have a couple of those guys on.

[00:03:14] He's the author of two books, A Strong Advice, Zuby's Guide to Fitness for Everybody,

[00:03:18] and a children's book, The Candy Calamity.

[00:03:21] I'm going to let him talk about those.

[00:03:22] You know, and I've got to say this.

[00:03:24] If you really have gotten to know this guy, I like the way that he approaches the world.

[00:03:30] You know, we always talk about on this show division and chaos, and it's a tool to let.

[00:03:34] It's a tool to deep state.

[00:03:35] I don't care who you think is actually propagating that message.

[00:03:38] And I've always said that that's not what we are.

[00:03:40] We're all Americans.

[00:03:41] We're one American people.

[00:03:43] Matt Taibbi recently went viral.

[00:03:45] Of course, I don't want to.

[00:03:46] George will kill me.

[00:03:47] He tries to keep me away from the F-bombs, but you can take the kid out of the b****.

[00:03:50] You can't take the Bronx out of the kid.

[00:03:52] So Matt Taibbi said, I'm a mother American.

[00:03:57] And of course, at the end of the day, we are all Americans.

[00:04:01] And, you know, having somebody like Zuby that's got a global perspective to help us keep that in mind

[00:04:06] and keep us focused on maybe what really matters, which is being good to each other, in my opinion.

[00:04:11] Let's bring him in.

[00:04:12] George, no reason to leave him backstage.

[00:04:14] I won't.

[00:04:14] Say the full thing what he said.

[00:04:16] I'll bleep it out later.

[00:04:17] Just do it.

[00:04:18] Let's get the full effect here.

[00:04:19] I'm an American motherfucker.

[00:04:21] There you go.

[00:04:22] That's what Matt Taibbi did say.

[00:04:24] Exactly.

[00:04:25] Went viral for it.

[00:04:26] And I agree with him.

[00:04:27] At the end of the day, that division is something that they want from us.

[00:04:30] They don't want us to unify.

[00:04:31] They use race, religion, you know, and obviously political bias.

[00:04:35] It doesn't matter even where you're from.

[00:04:37] So let's bring Zuby in, man.

[00:04:38] I really appreciate him joining us from Dubai today.

[00:04:42] All right.

[00:04:42] Welcome to the Big Mig Show.

[00:04:44] Zuby coming live from Dubai.

[00:04:46] That sounds pretty good.

[00:04:47] I got a little rhyme there.

[00:04:48] All the way over, man.

[00:04:49] I'm not a musician like you, but, you know.

[00:04:51] Hey, can you do me a favor just for the audience?

[00:04:54] Can you pronounce your name?

[00:04:55] Because I would have butchered it, and then we obviously wouldn't have been friends.

[00:04:59] Yeah, no problem at all, man.

[00:05:00] It's not that hard to say.

[00:05:01] I mean, my name is Zuby Udezwe.

[00:05:04] Udezwe.

[00:05:04] Zuby is a short version of my full name, though.

[00:05:07] My full name is Unzubechuku, which means God's decision in the Igbo language of Nigeria.

[00:05:12] So my full name, if you want the whole shebang, it's Unzubechuku Olisebuka Udezwe.

[00:05:18] But you can call me Zuby.

[00:05:18] You know what's interesting?

[00:05:19] My wife is mixed race.

[00:05:21] She's from Zimbabwe.

[00:05:22] A lot of people don't know that.

[00:05:23] She's obviously Black, Malaysian, English, and Italian.

[00:05:28] And you just did something.

[00:05:30] I heard the clicks.

[00:05:31] Do you speak Zulu by any chance?

[00:05:33] Oh, no, no.

[00:05:34] I do not speak Zulu.

[00:05:35] Was there a click in there?

[00:05:36] It just sounded a little clicky.

[00:05:37] But it actually did.

[00:05:39] When she talks Zulu, if you've ever heard it, there's a lot of clicks.

[00:05:42] I don't even know how she makes the clicks happen.

[00:05:44] But it's interesting when she does it.

[00:05:46] It sounded just for her hair.

[00:05:47] I thought, wait a minute.

[00:05:47] Does this guy speak Zulu, too?

[00:05:49] Which is obviously a very unusual language.

[00:05:51] She was actually related to Aloh Bangulu, King of the Zulus.

[00:05:58] And one of our other relatives is Robert Moffat.

[00:06:02] He's back to the De Beers Diamond Mines.

[00:06:04] So kind of an interesting history there.

[00:06:06] But so listen, obviously, most people kind of know you from your social media.

[00:06:12] I don't even know when you started on social media or kind of what made you start down that

[00:06:16] path.

[00:06:17] I don't know if it was because of music.

[00:06:18] You obviously have been in music for a long time.

[00:06:20] So maybe start with the music and tell us what got you started there.

[00:06:25] Yeah, sure thing, man.

[00:06:27] Well, I've been on social media for two decades.

[00:06:31] I joined Facebook in 2004.

[00:06:32] I was one of the first people on there.

[00:06:35] And I was on MySpace.

[00:06:37] I joined MySpace 2005.

[00:06:40] Started my YouTube channel, I think, 2006 initially to upload some of my rap videos.

[00:06:45] And man, Twitter 2009.

[00:06:49] Instagram, I think 2011, if I remember correctly.

[00:06:52] I made my account.

[00:06:53] So yeah, man.

[00:06:54] I'm a veteran in that sense.

[00:06:56] For over half of my life, I have been on the internet, which is a pretty wild thing to

[00:07:01] say my entire adult life.

[00:07:02] I've been online.

[00:07:04] Now, how did I get started in music?

[00:07:06] I went to boarding school from the age of 11.

[00:07:09] So as you guys mentioned, I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

[00:07:12] And I went to school in Saudi Arabia until fifth grade.

[00:07:17] And then after I finished fifth grade, I was 11 years old.

[00:07:20] I went out to boarding school in the UK.

[00:07:22] So between the ages of 11 and 20, I was back and forth three, four times a year between the

[00:07:28] two countries.

[00:07:29] So I've been traveling internationally by myself since I was 11 years old.

[00:07:33] And when I was around 11 or 12, that's when I got into hip hop music.

[00:07:37] I became a rap fan.

[00:07:39] I have two older brothers and they used to listen to a lot of hip hop.

[00:07:42] They used to listen to Wu-Tang and Busta Rhymes.

[00:07:47] Wu-Tang Clay.

[00:07:48] Ice Cube.

[00:07:49] Tupac.

[00:07:50] Man after my own heart.

[00:07:52] Obviously, those are a lot of the influences.

[00:07:54] I have a question there for Zuby.

[00:07:55] So you never got any strikes banned from the Twitter days?

[00:08:01] No, I got one temporary suspension in 2021 for saying, OK, dude, which is obviously a

[00:08:06] highly offensive phrase.

[00:08:07] OK, dude.

[00:08:08] Apart from that.

[00:08:09] Yeah.

[00:08:09] OK, dude.

[00:08:10] Yeah.

[00:08:10] How dare you?

[00:08:11] Really?

[00:08:12] How dare you?

[00:08:12] Yeah.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] If you go on any platform, my best known song is called OK, dude.

[00:08:19] And it was made in the aftermath of me getting suspended from Twitter for saying that phrase.

[00:08:24] So, you know, I got some good merch out of it and I got a good song out of it.

[00:08:28] I was going to say, yeah.

[00:08:30] You know, it's interesting.

[00:08:31] It's interesting that depending on who is reviewing the post, obviously, when somebody

[00:08:36] becomes popular and has a message that we find ourselves under attack, whether it's

[00:08:41] something comes into your DM, whether it's a threat or otherwise, we got I got suspended

[00:08:46] a minute, 46 seconds after Donald Trump because I was disclosing I was working with some old

[00:08:51] contacts.

[00:08:51] I had an Italian secret service and I was disclosing information related to a satellite

[00:08:56] hack that was called Italy gate at the time.

[00:09:00] And I think that's why they probably banned me because I was it had to do with Leonardo

[00:09:03] Spa and Smartmatic and Skydle and some other things that were going on in Europe during the

[00:09:08] election, the election fraud, I'd have to say.

[00:09:10] But it's interesting how that happens.

[00:09:12] I got suspended on LinkedIn because we put up a video and we actually quoted CDC and VAERS

[00:09:18] information, not anything hypothetical.

[00:09:20] It just came right off the government site.

[00:09:22] And that was the reason they closed my LinkedIn account.

[00:09:25] And of course, YouTube did the same thing.

[00:09:27] So, you know, suppression for the truth is always difficult.

[00:09:30] But let's go back to music.

[00:09:32] So what were the you know, you obviously got influenced by early rappers.

[00:09:35] I myself listened to all the early rap, you know, and I probably got drawn in during

[00:09:40] that time.

[00:09:41] I enjoyed listening to lots of gangster rap.

[00:09:43] I'm not sure the influence was great because I don't know that that's what gangster rap is

[00:09:47] all about.

[00:09:47] I often wonder, was it the CIA that was responsible for creating, you know, gangster rap?

[00:09:54] Was it was it part of a cultural attack on, you know, on separating the races?

[00:09:58] I don't know.

[00:09:59] I've never been able to find any proof or any documents.

[00:10:01] What was the what were the main artists?

[00:10:03] I'd like to talk about some of the artists that influenced you directly.

[00:10:05] What were your favorites?

[00:10:06] You talked about Wu-Tang.

[00:10:08] We could talk about many others.

[00:10:09] But, you know, obviously, I'm sure you had many favorites.

[00:10:12] Yeah, sure.

[00:10:13] So funnily enough, when I was really young until I was about 12, 13, I didn't really like

[00:10:19] music that much at all.

[00:10:20] I used to play piano, but I wasn't really much of a music fan.

[00:10:24] The first hip hop album I ever bought was LL Cool J, LL Cool J the goat.

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:30] So that was the first album I bought, I remember.

[00:10:34] So I liked LL Cool J a lot.

[00:10:38] I used to like, well, not used to, I still like Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem was just coming out

[00:10:44] around this time, the Slim Shady LP.

[00:10:47] And I was probably in the sort of exact target demographic and age for that because it was

[00:10:51] so subversive and crazy.

[00:10:54] And my friends and I used to just sort of laugh at all the wild things that he would say.

[00:10:57] And then moving on a little bit into the sort of mid-2000s, 50 Cent, Kanye West.

[00:11:06] Those were definitely two favorites.

[00:11:10] I'm not hearing Tupac or Biggie in there, bro.

[00:11:13] What's up?

[00:11:15] Well, that's more my brother's generation.

[00:11:18] Okay.

[00:11:19] So I listened to Tupac and Biggie, but by the time I was coming into that age, they'd both

[00:11:26] already passed away.

[00:11:27] Oh, okay.

[00:11:28] So, yeah.

[00:11:30] So I mean, they got what not.

[00:11:31] I think that, of course, obviously up and comers, you know.

[00:11:35] Yeah.

[00:11:35] So I was going to say, I mean, I would have been, what, 10 years old and 11 years old

[00:11:41] respectively when Tupac and Biggie died.

[00:11:43] So I remember when that happened.

[00:11:45] I wasn't a rap fan at the time, but I, you know, I remember these were two artists that

[00:11:48] my brothers and some of my brother's friends used to listen to.

[00:11:51] So I actually do remember, right, 1990, 1996, I think Tupac, Tupac was killed.

[00:11:57] And so I remember that being in the news.

[00:11:59] I remember it being in the newspapers and stuff and me being a 10 year old boy and having

[00:12:04] some vague idea about it.

[00:12:05] So yeah, in my teens and to this date, I'm definitely a Tupac fan.

[00:12:09] I like Biggie as well.

[00:12:11] But I think that what tends to sort of resonate and influence you the most tends to be the

[00:12:16] stuff you're listening to maybe between the ages of about 15 and 20.

[00:12:21] I think for most people that is their sort of golden era.

[00:12:25] So for me, that's more like Nas, Jay-Z, although, you know, they had albums earlier than that,

[00:12:31] but Nas, Jay-Z, 50 Cent had that, you know, crazy rise and wave.

[00:12:35] That's when Kanye West came into the picture.

[00:12:37] Outkast as well.

[00:12:39] Yeah, they were great.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:41] Lots of different artists.

[00:12:42] I could reel off a ton of different artists.

[00:12:44] A lot of my friends used to really love the Diplomats, you know, Dipset.

[00:12:49] And so yeah, there was a lot of good music coming out at that time.

[00:12:52] There was the whole-

[00:12:52] You know, that was like the golden age, you know, and I think anybody that aspires to be,

[00:12:59] you know, and I don't have any musical talent, which I did, but I don't.

[00:13:03] At the end of the day, you know, I was drawn to like Eazy-E and Dre and, you know,

[00:13:09] obviously The Chronic and those albums were, you know, so well produced during that time period.

[00:13:13] You know, I never really got into the politics of what was going on,

[00:13:16] whether East Coast, West Coast.

[00:13:17] I just listened to what I really liked, you know, and we listened to a lot of stuff

[00:13:22] when we were, you know, flying in helicopters and everything else years ago.

[00:13:26] So obviously getting pumped up.

[00:13:29] I'm not sure it was all probably the best.

[00:13:31] Now I look back, I wonder what the hell I was thinking, but different times, different life.

[00:13:36] That's how it goes.

[00:13:36] But music's an interesting thing because it's interesting how, in a ways, that's the golden age,

[00:13:42] of course, and there's still some great rappers.

[00:13:45] I don't know if they're, you know, the quantity of what was then,

[00:13:48] and I'm not sure the message, it's really changed.

[00:13:51] I don't love what's, I don't love what's on social media, for example, that they promote.

[00:13:55] Well, Lance, I'm going to.

[00:13:56] But at the same time, the message of music is big.

[00:13:58] I'm sorry, George, go ahead.

[00:13:59] No, I want to interject because you're saying, you know, there's, you know,

[00:14:01] you don't know what great rappers.

[00:14:03] There might be some of them going down soon.

[00:14:05] Because I was going to bring up the P. Diddy scandal here and see what Zuby thinks about it.

[00:14:09] Because, listen, there's supposedly a lot of musicians, even actors and actresses,

[00:14:14] going to be named soon.

[00:14:18] Yeah, I won't be on the list, so I'm good.

[00:14:19] Yeah, we know that.

[00:14:20] So, God bless.

[00:14:22] That's why I'm bringing it up.

[00:14:23] Well, I mean, you know, interestingly enough, I think, and I wonder, you know,

[00:14:29] I don't know if you heard the story about the ketamine queen out in L.A.,

[00:14:32] and I'm wondering if I understood that she might be tied into that situation.

[00:14:37] We'll see how that unfolds.

[00:14:39] But it's complicated.

[00:14:40] I mean, you know, compromising influential people,

[00:14:45] whether political, government officials or musicians or celebrities,

[00:14:49] I think it's been kind of a standard MO of many governments for a long time.

[00:14:53] You know, Epstein was obviously a very sophisticated operation.

[00:14:57] So, of course, it was obviously created to compromise blackmail extortion.

[00:15:03] That's the basis of it.

[00:15:04] Why they haven't released all the clients is obvious enough.

[00:15:07] But Diddy's really complicated.

[00:15:09] But I also wonder, and here's one, a really good question to ask you.

[00:15:13] Great that you're not going to be on the list, which is fantastic.

[00:15:16] But, of course, let me, what do you think?

[00:15:19] I think that they've started this.

[00:15:21] I think that they were going to wait to indict Diddy.

[00:15:23] I think they escalated it to take over the news cycle.

[00:15:26] And I believe that some people are going to be called in for questioning high-profile individuals

[00:15:30] and or indicted for that case simply to redirect the media.

[00:15:35] Because we obviously have a very important election coming up.

[00:15:38] I think it's a fight of good versus evil, in my opinion.

[00:15:40] I think this is maybe the country's last chance to maybe turn things around.

[00:15:45] What do you think?

[00:15:46] Do you think that the Diddy thing is just beginning to unfold,

[00:15:49] and maybe they're going to use it as a redirection tool?

[00:15:53] I honestly don't know.

[00:15:54] Anything I would say would be purely speculative.

[00:15:58] It's hard to tell with these things why the timing happens the way that it does.

[00:16:05] It's really difficult to know these days with all these things that are going on in the world

[00:16:09] and us just having so much consciousness and awareness of it in a way that we didn't used to.

[00:16:14] It's very easy to connect dots that either are there or which may not be there.

[00:16:22] And things could be coincidental, and it just sort of lines up with a particular timing,

[00:16:27] and it seems like there's a connection when perhaps there's not.

[00:16:30] Or who knows?

[00:16:31] We do know that conspiracy does exist.

[00:16:37] Conspiracy is a real thing.

[00:16:39] People like to dismiss conspiracy theories,

[00:16:41] but there are people who get together and collude and conspire and plan things out, right?

[00:16:46] It happens in companies.

[00:16:47] It happens in governments.

[00:16:48] It happens in institutions.

[00:16:50] So that's a very real thing.

[00:16:51] How coordinated is it all?

[00:16:53] Is it some type of distraction?

[00:16:56] I honestly don't know.

[00:16:57] I haven't dwelt on it that much because, well, number one, I'm not American,

[00:17:02] and I don't live there, and I can't do anything about it,

[00:17:04] and I have no sort of skin in the game in that sense.

[00:17:07] Well, you are influential.

[00:17:08] You have a voice, big voice.

[00:17:11] I do have a voice, but I also have limited mental bandwidth

[00:17:16] and influence over certain things.

[00:17:20] So that's one thing with social media for sure,

[00:17:23] where everyone has a platform, right?

[00:17:25] That's the best and the worst thing about social media.

[00:17:28] And it's international, and we have access to so much information

[00:17:31] and so many people that you could, in theory, if you wanted to,

[00:17:35] you could spend all day long, every single day,

[00:17:38] just going down all sorts of rabbit holes.

[00:17:41] But for me, ultimately, yeah, there's no end to it.

[00:17:45] And I don't think that's great for your well-being.

[00:17:47] And also, I try to focus on the things that I can do something about

[00:17:52] or the things where I can possibly help people in a way

[00:17:56] or inspire them or push them in a direction.

[00:17:59] I mean, I could spend 30 hours investigating the Diddy case,

[00:18:02] but that wouldn't help anything.

[00:18:05] It would kind of just be a waste of 30 hours of my time.

[00:18:07] So I've had a look at it to get some sort of idea of what's going on

[00:18:12] and some general, you know, just some general information

[00:18:16] as I do with other topics.

[00:18:18] But beyond that, I'm kind of in the wait and see camp.

[00:18:22] And maybe we'll wait, and maybe we won't see, right?

[00:18:25] We still don't know who Epstein's clients were.

[00:18:27] So who really knows?

[00:18:29] We still don't know exactly what happened

[00:18:31] with the whole COVID situation, 2020 to 2022, right?

[00:18:35] Nobody has been held accountable.

[00:18:37] Nobody has apologized.

[00:18:39] Nobody has even sort of really come out publicly and said,

[00:18:41] oh, you know, we made a mistake

[00:18:43] or we should have done this differently.

[00:18:44] We still don't even totally know the origin of the virus, right?

[00:18:48] That hasn't been confirmed or denied.

[00:18:49] We think we know what it is, but no one's ever come out.

[00:18:52] Yeah, there's no doubt that anybody's fully brought out

[00:18:54] the ultimate smoking gun or actually the ultimate confession

[00:18:58] at the end of it.

[00:19:01] It's deniable accountability, right?

[00:19:03] Of course, we hear one side of it

[00:19:05] and misinformation and misdirection are priority.

[00:19:07] I'm sorry, George, what were you going to say?

[00:19:08] No, so plausible deniability,

[00:19:10] but you just made a key word, misinformation.

[00:19:13] That's their new tactic now,

[00:19:14] the left is using that word misinformation

[00:19:16] on anything we say.

[00:19:18] Because what you just said, Zuby,

[00:19:20] before conspiracy theorists,

[00:19:22] that has come to revelations

[00:19:24] that it now means everything we say is true

[00:19:27] because everything we have said is true

[00:19:29] that they call conspiracy theorists.

[00:19:32] Going back to JFK,

[00:19:34] that the government killed them.

[00:19:35] Sure.

[00:19:36] Well, they coined that term

[00:19:37] to stop the investigation

[00:19:38] of the multiple shooter claim

[00:19:40] that was circulating around his assassination.

[00:19:42] The CIA actually coined that term.

[00:19:44] That's actually been proven.

[00:19:46] But you know, at the end of the day,

[00:19:47] it's kind of like the Christian nationalist,

[00:19:49] MAGA, conspiracy theorists.

[00:19:51] They have to discredit when somebody is over the target.

[00:19:53] But you have an interesting way of doing it.

[00:19:56] You kind of use humor,

[00:19:58] a little bit of humor,

[00:19:59] a little self-deprecating

[00:20:00] and maybe otherwise,

[00:20:01] and you kind of do it in a way

[00:20:03] that I think is very philosophical.

[00:20:06] The way I look at you,

[00:20:07] I kind of look at you

[00:20:08] as a modern day philosopher.

[00:20:09] I look at your stuff.

[00:20:10] That's the word I was looking for earlier.

[00:20:11] No, it's true

[00:20:13] because I look at what you do

[00:20:14] and I have to watch

[00:20:15] because I have that abrasive Bronx kid.

[00:20:18] Sometimes I have inner turmoil.

[00:20:21] I try not to be that guy anymore.

[00:20:22] But obviously,

[00:20:23] having lived my life the way I did,

[00:20:25] it's complicated

[00:20:27] because at the end of the day,

[00:20:29] my natural go-to,

[00:20:30] because I boxed,

[00:20:32] did silver gloves and golden gloves

[00:20:34] in Eric when I was a kid.

[00:20:35] Then I went into AKA.

[00:20:36] Then I did all sorts of

[00:20:37] different martial arts over the years.

[00:20:40] I used to stay at,

[00:20:41] for example,

[00:20:41] Hickson Gracie's house

[00:20:42] in Torrance, California.

[00:20:44] Worked out with Ken Shamrock,

[00:20:46] Obaki,

[00:20:47] Bass Rootin,

[00:20:48] Marco Hua.

[00:20:50] Worked out with a lot of guys.

[00:20:51] I used to train at Cronk's Gym

[00:20:52] in Detroit

[00:20:54] with Stephen McCory,

[00:20:56] the boxer,

[00:20:57] really highly skilled.

[00:20:58] He used to train.

[00:20:59] So my problem is,

[00:21:00] that's my fallback.

[00:21:01] That's my comfort position.

[00:21:03] I'm like,

[00:21:03] okay,

[00:21:03] well,

[00:21:03] we can deal with this.

[00:21:06] But it's not the way to be now.

[00:21:07] And I think your global perspective

[00:21:08] and the way that you look at and post,

[00:21:10] I think it unites people.

[00:21:12] And I think that's really the message

[00:21:13] I'm trying to get to.

[00:21:14] And I want to show,

[00:21:15] I grabbed a handful of your album covers.

[00:21:18] And I thought maybe we'd just

[00:21:19] kind of track through

[00:21:20] and you could kind of,

[00:21:21] George,

[00:21:21] maybe do a side-by-side

[00:21:22] with these for us.

[00:21:24] And we can actually,

[00:21:25] we just put them on.

[00:21:26] I don't know if I got your first one or not,

[00:21:27] if I got them in correct order.

[00:21:29] I grabbed them off your website

[00:21:30] and I don't know

[00:21:30] if they were in date order or not.

[00:21:33] But kind of give me your feel.

[00:21:34] That's not the book cover,

[00:21:35] George,

[00:21:36] actually the album covers.

[00:21:38] Zuby,

[00:21:38] I think it's How I Feel

[00:21:39] is the first one I grabbed.

[00:21:41] Oh, that one.

[00:21:41] George.

[00:21:42] I want to get to his books

[00:21:43] after the fact here

[00:21:44] because I want to talk about

[00:21:45] his children's book too.

[00:21:46] I think that's really interesting

[00:21:46] the plan on that.

[00:21:48] I got it.

[00:21:48] How I feel,

[00:21:49] that's actually number three.

[00:21:51] Is it?

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] That's your third album.

[00:21:54] Okay.

[00:21:54] Well, yeah.

[00:21:55] First EP,

[00:21:56] third release.

[00:21:57] So I put out two albums

[00:21:58] and then that was my first EP.

[00:22:00] So my first album was called

[00:22:01] Commercial Underground.

[00:22:03] I've got that one.

[00:22:04] Yeah, that's my first one.

[00:22:06] You know what?

[00:22:06] It's funny,

[00:22:07] your physique morphed.

[00:22:08] You got more ripped

[00:22:09] as you've gone with your career.

[00:22:13] Well, that first one,

[00:22:15] if you look at my first album cover,

[00:22:16] I would have been...

[00:22:17] Is this it?

[00:22:18] No, no.

[00:22:19] Commercial Underground, George.

[00:22:20] It's a black and white.

[00:22:21] It's a Zuby commercial underground.

[00:22:22] They were in order in Notion,

[00:22:24] but I just grabbed them

[00:22:25] and drug them in there.

[00:22:26] That's all good.

[00:22:27] Yeah, it's a white background

[00:22:28] and I'm turning to the side.

[00:22:30] Yeah, that's my first album right there.

[00:22:32] All right.

[00:22:32] It's funny.

[00:22:33] Yeah, so I was 19 years old there.

[00:22:36] And where were you?

[00:22:36] Were you in London at this point

[00:22:38] where you recorded this?

[00:22:38] I recorded that in Oxford University.

[00:22:42] Wow.

[00:22:43] Did they have a...

[00:22:43] They obviously have a music studio there?

[00:22:45] Is that where you did it?

[00:22:45] One of my friends did.

[00:22:47] Shout out to my friend, Chris Fulton.

[00:22:49] He had a very basic recording setup

[00:22:52] in his dorm room.

[00:22:53] So I actually recorded that whole album

[00:22:55] in his dorm room

[00:22:55] and he mixed and mastered it.

[00:22:57] Now, let me ask you,

[00:22:58] did you go right to production

[00:23:00] or...

[00:23:00] Because remember,

[00:23:01] my era was the era of the mixtape

[00:23:03] coming out of the trunk of a car.

[00:23:05] Cassettes.

[00:23:05] I actually grew up

[00:23:06] where we were buying mixtapes

[00:23:07] off the street,

[00:23:09] you know,

[00:23:09] and obviously albums,

[00:23:11] you know.

[00:23:12] So how did you get this out?

[00:23:15] How did you actually produce it?

[00:23:16] Yeah.

[00:23:17] So I made CDs.

[00:23:19] I started out with 50

[00:23:21] and I sold them all in a week.

[00:23:22] And then I went back

[00:23:23] and I made another 200.

[00:23:25] And I sold those all

[00:23:26] in a couple of weeks.

[00:23:27] And then I went back

[00:23:28] and I pressed 1,000.

[00:23:28] And I ended up selling

[00:23:29] over 3,000 copies hand-to-hand

[00:23:31] of my very first album.

[00:23:34] So that is when

[00:23:35] the Zuby the Hustler was born.

[00:23:38] And I actually,

[00:23:39] fun fact,

[00:23:39] I never had a job

[00:23:40] during university

[00:23:41] because I made enough money

[00:23:43] selling my CDs

[00:23:45] to keep myself afloat.

[00:23:47] That's good

[00:23:47] because Jay-Z said it best,

[00:23:49] you can't knock the hustle.

[00:23:50] Right?

[00:23:51] No, you can't knock the hustle.

[00:23:52] So, yeah.

[00:23:53] But in serious,

[00:23:54] were you actually,

[00:23:55] did you go to somebody

[00:23:56] or did you actually

[00:23:56] buy your own CD burner

[00:23:58] where you're actually

[00:23:58] burning them yourself?

[00:23:59] No, I got them

[00:24:00] made professionally.

[00:24:02] Oh, that's great.

[00:24:02] So I always stood out

[00:24:03] from all the other

[00:24:04] upcoming rappers

[00:24:05] because my stuff

[00:24:05] always looked professional.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:07] I bought plenty of them

[00:24:08] that were just burned

[00:24:09] on the street,

[00:24:10] you know,

[00:24:10] with a magic marker

[00:24:11] to tell you what was on it.

[00:24:14] Even bootleg movies too.

[00:24:17] I've always taken my,

[00:24:19] I've always taken my professionalism

[00:24:22] and I hate the term

[00:24:24] personal brand,

[00:24:25] but I've always taken it seriously.

[00:24:28] Before people even used it,

[00:24:29] no one talked about,

[00:24:29] used the term personal brand

[00:24:30] in 2006,

[00:24:31] but the way I've always been aware

[00:24:35] and somewhat careful

[00:24:36] with how I portray myself

[00:24:39] and I care a lot

[00:24:40] about professionalism

[00:24:41] and even when I was first

[00:24:43] putting out this album

[00:24:44] when I was still a student,

[00:24:45] I wanted it to be an album

[00:24:47] that you could put it next

[00:24:48] to the other CDs

[00:24:49] in a shop

[00:24:51] and it wouldn't look weird.

[00:24:53] Right?

[00:24:53] It wouldn't just be some...

[00:24:54] I think that is the genius

[00:24:56] of what you're doing.

[00:24:57] You just absolutely...

[00:24:58] Your brand is very obvious,

[00:25:00] even your avatar

[00:25:02] with the...

[00:25:03] Oh, thank you.

[00:25:03] ...colored background.

[00:25:04] And we try to do the same thing.

[00:25:06] If you ever really look

[00:25:07] at our background

[00:25:08] that's running behind George there,

[00:25:10] it's really sophisticated,

[00:25:11] probably over-detailed.

[00:25:12] There's a shot of 9-11,

[00:25:14] JFK.

[00:25:15] There's a, you know,

[00:25:17] there's a Mason's triangle.

[00:25:19] There's the Punisher,

[00:25:21] copy of the Constitution.

[00:25:22] It's all embedded in that.

[00:25:23] And even this piece of art

[00:25:24] that's sitting behind me,

[00:25:25] you can't really see it.

[00:25:26] But a friend of mine made that

[00:25:28] and it's kind of just a poke.

[00:25:31] Big Brother is watching

[00:25:32] kind of a takeoff

[00:25:33] on some of the work of Banksy.

[00:25:35] You know, I like street artists.

[00:25:36] I've collected art for a long time.

[00:25:37] So we just had Sable on the other day

[00:25:39] who I think is a very,

[00:25:41] you know,

[00:25:41] I think really cutting edge,

[00:25:43] really interesting.

[00:25:43] So that's our header.

[00:25:45] I added a little Big Mac Mafia guy.

[00:25:47] So just,

[00:25:47] that wasn't there.

[00:25:48] Yeah, the Mafia thing

[00:25:49] is just on top.

[00:25:49] But if you ever take a look

[00:25:50] at our header

[00:25:50] and really blow it up,

[00:25:52] you'll see there's a crazy amount

[00:25:53] of people who do this.

[00:25:53] There's a COVID virus

[00:25:54] in there and other things.

[00:25:55] It's just a poke

[00:25:56] at the conspiratorial world

[00:25:58] of what's going on

[00:25:59] and kind of a knowledge thing

[00:26:00] that you have to expand

[00:26:01] your knowledge past what,

[00:26:02] you know,

[00:26:03] I never looked at anything

[00:26:04] you did and thought,

[00:26:05] huh,

[00:26:06] but that happens

[00:26:06] on social media, right?

[00:26:07] People don't have

[00:26:08] the right branding

[00:26:09] or the right,

[00:26:09] you know,

[00:26:10] what I would call

[00:26:11] a unified and distinct

[00:26:12] top of funnel message.

[00:26:14] George,

[00:26:15] let's go to the next one.

[00:26:16] Zuby,

[00:26:16] the unknown celebrity.

[00:26:17] I like the title,

[00:26:19] but give me some background

[00:26:20] on this one.

[00:26:21] Yeah, sure.

[00:26:22] Well,

[00:26:22] I always liked the idea of,

[00:26:25] I always liked

[00:26:26] the sort of oxymoronic titles.

[00:26:27] So my first album

[00:26:28] was commercial underground,

[00:26:30] right?

[00:26:30] So I'm a totally unknown

[00:26:32] underground rapper

[00:26:33] at the same time.

[00:26:35] I'm out there

[00:26:36] taking myself seriously

[00:26:37] and I'm selling my music,

[00:26:40] right?

[00:26:41] I'm not just giving it away.

[00:26:41] I'm selling it.

[00:26:42] So that was commercial underground.

[00:26:44] And then,

[00:26:44] you know,

[00:26:45] I had at this point

[00:26:46] when I put out

[00:26:47] the second album,

[00:26:47] I had thousands of people

[00:26:49] who were following me.

[00:26:51] I had thousands of people

[00:26:51] who were aware of me

[00:26:53] and I was already

[00:26:54] getting stopped

[00:26:55] on the street

[00:26:55] by kids

[00:26:57] or, you know,

[00:26:58] people wanting me

[00:26:59] to sign autographs

[00:26:59] and things like this.

[00:27:00] That happened

[00:27:01] from fairly early

[00:27:02] in my career.

[00:27:03] And so,

[00:27:04] but,

[00:27:05] you know,

[00:27:06] 99.99999%

[00:27:08] of people

[00:27:08] had no idea

[00:27:09] who I was.

[00:27:10] So I was like

[00:27:10] the unknown celebrity.

[00:27:11] I could be in certain circles

[00:27:13] or places.

[00:27:14] By the way,

[00:27:14] I still feel that way

[00:27:16] right now.

[00:27:16] I feel even more like that

[00:27:17] where I can go day to day

[00:27:19] and be completely low key

[00:27:21] and nobody knows who I am.

[00:27:23] And then I can go

[00:27:24] to a certain place

[00:27:25] or a certain event

[00:27:26] and I'm getting stopped

[00:27:28] like every 30 seconds

[00:27:30] from someone

[00:27:31] who wants to thank me

[00:27:32] or shake my hand

[00:27:32] or hug me

[00:27:33] or take a photo,

[00:27:34] wants me to sign something.

[00:27:36] So that's why

[00:27:37] that one was called

[00:27:37] The Unknown Celebrity.

[00:27:38] So I released that one

[00:27:39] in 2008

[00:27:40] just after

[00:27:41] I graduated

[00:27:42] from Oxford.

[00:27:43] So that was my

[00:27:45] second album

[00:27:45] that I put out there.

[00:27:46] First one I put out

[00:27:47] after graduation.

[00:27:49] Now you've always done

[00:27:50] self-distribution,

[00:27:51] I assume, correct?

[00:27:51] It's always been just you

[00:27:52] with your company.

[00:27:53] And I'm sorry,

[00:27:54] I don't remember the name

[00:27:55] of your music company.

[00:27:56] I saw it online.

[00:27:57] I should have memorized it.

[00:27:58] What is the name

[00:27:58] of your company?

[00:27:59] No, no, no worries at all.

[00:28:00] I don't promote it at all.

[00:28:00] It's called

[00:28:01] COM Entertainment

[00:28:02] and COM

[00:28:04] actually stands

[00:28:05] for Courtesy of Myself.

[00:28:08] So you know

[00:28:09] when you used

[00:28:10] to look in albums,

[00:28:11] whether it's a tape,

[00:28:12] a CD, a vinyl

[00:28:13] and you had

[00:28:13] a featured artist

[00:28:14] and it would always have,

[00:28:15] you know,

[00:28:15] this artist appears

[00:28:16] courtesy of Columbia Records.

[00:28:18] This artist appears

[00:28:19] courtesy of Universal,

[00:28:20] whatever it is.

[00:28:21] So I always just had this

[00:28:22] and I had a line

[00:28:23] on my first album,

[00:28:25] first song

[00:28:26] of my first album

[00:28:26] which was called

[00:28:27] The Movement.

[00:28:28] We're going deep now.

[00:28:29] And

[00:28:30] on that,

[00:28:31] I had a lyric

[00:28:32] where I said

[00:28:33] I'm appearing

[00:28:34] courtesy of myself.

[00:28:35] And so I decided

[00:28:36] to call

[00:28:36] my company

[00:28:38] which is still

[00:28:38] my company

[00:28:39] to this day

[00:28:39] COM Entertainment.

[00:28:41] Yeah, that's great.

[00:28:42] It's even got a message there.

[00:28:44] We grabbed,

[00:28:45] I don't know which one,

[00:28:45] George,

[00:28:46] you grabbed one of his

[00:28:47] songs off of YouTube,

[00:28:48] didn't you?

[00:28:49] I did.

[00:28:50] But you know what, Lance?

[00:28:50] We're going to take

[00:28:51] a quick commercial break

[00:28:52] and then I'm going to play

[00:28:52] that song

[00:28:53] when we come back

[00:28:54] just right after these messages.

[00:28:56] Don't go nowhere.

[00:28:57] The Big Meg

[00:28:57] and Zuby

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[00:31:09] They would run up

[00:31:10] to the bamboo fence

[00:31:11] and they would be

[00:31:12] shooting between the bamboo

[00:31:14] at the buildings,

[00:31:14] you know,

[00:31:15] and just shooting inside.

[00:31:17] The wanted man is Joseph Kony,

[00:31:19] charged with abducting

[00:31:20] huge numbers of children,

[00:31:22] forcing them to kill

[00:31:23] and mutilate innocent victims.

[00:31:26] Somebody had to pay the price.

[00:31:28] Sam did that.

[00:31:29] Sam Childers never stopped

[00:31:30] because the bad things

[00:31:32] never stop.

[00:31:33] There is only one Sam Childers.

[00:31:35] There is no one else

[00:31:36] like him in the world.

[00:31:38] And I said to him,

[00:31:38] I said,

[00:31:39] would you go now

[00:31:40] to get Kony in the Congo?

[00:31:42] He says without a doubt

[00:31:43] in a second.

[00:31:44] Now it's the DRC.

[00:31:46] Tell us what's happening

[00:31:46] to children in the DRC.

[00:31:48] You have ISIS there,

[00:31:49] you have Islamic State,

[00:31:51] and you have ADF.

[00:31:52] They say Joseph Kony

[00:31:53] is still alive,

[00:31:54] he's in the Congo,

[00:31:55] and now God has me

[00:31:56] in the Congo.

[00:31:57] You know,

[00:31:58] so hopefully

[00:31:59] we'll meet up one day.

[00:32:01] But maybe I can

[00:32:03] lead him to the Lord

[00:32:04] or send him there,

[00:32:05] one or the other, huh?

[00:32:26] All right,

[00:32:27] welcome back

[00:32:28] to the Big Migs Show.

[00:32:29] Here we are your host,

[00:32:29] George Ballantyne,

[00:32:30] Lance Migliaccio,

[00:32:32] and our guest,

[00:32:33] Zuby,

[00:32:34] with the music.

[00:32:35] Zuby music.

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[00:34:10] Zuby,

[00:34:11] how is it in Dubai

[00:34:12] when

[00:34:14] you're on social media?

[00:34:16] Is there any kind

[00:34:16] of restrictions there

[00:34:17] or even if you're

[00:34:18] in Saudi Arabia?

[00:34:19] I know

[00:34:19] Saudi Arabia,

[00:34:21] there's some certain things

[00:34:22] you can't say

[00:34:23] against Saudi Arabia,

[00:34:24] but do they give you

[00:34:25] any issues anywhere

[00:34:26] over there

[00:34:26] about if you're talking

[00:34:27] about this country

[00:34:28] or anything like that?

[00:34:30] No.

[00:34:31] No.

[00:34:32] What's,

[00:34:33] do you know the craziest thing

[00:34:34] is I find that

[00:34:35] like my tweets go harder

[00:34:37] when I'm in Dubai.

[00:34:38] I actually feel more free

[00:34:39] to say what I want to say

[00:34:40] when I'm over here,

[00:34:41] which might sound...

[00:34:43] Yeah.

[00:34:44] You're safer.

[00:34:45] And you guys have to remember

[00:34:47] that I'm from the UK.

[00:34:48] I'm not from the USA.

[00:34:49] So the US,

[00:34:50] the UK doesn't have

[00:34:51] the same sort of...

[00:34:52] UK's worst.

[00:34:53] Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:54] The US is the only country

[00:34:55] that has the free speech

[00:34:57] protections set up

[00:34:57] in the way that you do.

[00:34:59] Why do you say that?

[00:34:59] You're the only country

[00:35:01] in the world

[00:35:01] with an equivalent

[00:35:02] of a First Amendment.

[00:35:03] And I know that

[00:35:04] that is under threat,

[00:35:05] but nowhere else

[00:35:06] has it to begin with.

[00:35:07] Hillary Clinton,

[00:35:07] just Hillary Clinton

[00:35:08] and John Kerry,

[00:35:09] she just said

[00:35:11] that allowing free speech

[00:35:12] on social media

[00:35:13] means we lose control.

[00:35:15] And John Kerry

[00:35:15] basically said the same thing.

[00:35:17] So, you know,

[00:35:18] there's...

[00:35:18] Yeah, he was at the WEF

[00:35:19] when he was speaking.

[00:35:19] They're so afraid

[00:35:20] of the truth coming out,

[00:35:22] you know,

[00:35:23] because let's face it,

[00:35:24] with the age of social media,

[00:35:26] information is easily,

[00:35:27] readily available

[00:35:28] for people.

[00:35:30] And it's hard

[00:35:30] for them to hide now.

[00:35:32] And everything's just,

[00:35:33] you know,

[00:35:33] coming to light

[00:35:34] more and more,

[00:35:35] the corruption

[00:35:35] on both sides.

[00:35:36] Yeah, I was going to say, man,

[00:35:38] just leading on

[00:35:39] from what you're saying there,

[00:35:40] I have a, you know,

[00:35:41] maybe a somewhat unique take

[00:35:42] on this, which is like,

[00:35:44] I think all of this stuff

[00:35:46] is good.

[00:35:46] I think it's good

[00:35:47] that people are just saying

[00:35:48] the quiet part out loud now

[00:35:50] because for how many decades

[00:35:51] there's been all this

[00:35:52] sort of secretiveness

[00:35:53] and speculation

[00:35:55] and people wondering,

[00:35:56] you know,

[00:35:56] what's going on?

[00:35:57] What are these people

[00:35:57] really thinking?

[00:35:59] Do they really support this?

[00:36:00] And now they kind of

[00:36:01] just tell us

[00:36:01] whether it's intentional or not.

[00:36:03] They just come out

[00:36:04] and say it.

[00:36:04] So if someone doesn't believe

[00:36:05] in free speech,

[00:36:06] I'd rather they don't pretend

[00:36:08] that they do

[00:36:09] and they pretend

[00:36:09] that they support

[00:36:10] the Constitution

[00:36:11] and they pretend

[00:36:12] they're all about freedom

[00:36:13] or whatever,

[00:36:13] I'd rather just hear

[00:36:14] what that person really thinks

[00:36:15] and then we can all make

[00:36:17] our determination

[00:36:18] and say,

[00:36:18] oh, okay, cool.

[00:36:19] That is how they feel.

[00:36:21] Because you're looking like

[00:36:22] UK,

[00:36:24] they're arresting people

[00:36:25] for a Facebook post.

[00:36:26] Meanwhile,

[00:36:27] while they had riots

[00:36:28] in the streets,

[00:36:28] it's like,

[00:36:29] that's crazy.

[00:36:29] Dude,

[00:36:30] I personally know people

[00:36:32] who have been investigated

[00:36:35] and I know one person

[00:36:36] who has been prosecuted

[00:36:39] for social media posts.

[00:36:40] Our good friend

[00:36:41] is Tommy Robinson,

[00:36:42] so we know what he went through.

[00:36:44] Yeah,

[00:36:44] there you go.

[00:36:44] Tommy goes through hell,

[00:36:46] obviously,

[00:36:46] even now,

[00:36:47] they want to incarcerate him

[00:36:49] and he's obviously

[00:36:50] living in another country

[00:36:51] at the moment,

[00:36:51] so it's complicated.

[00:36:53] You take a guy

[00:36:53] that was truly,

[00:36:54] he's pro,

[00:36:55] he's pro UK

[00:36:56] and he doesn't want

[00:36:57] what's going on

[00:36:58] with the invasion over there

[00:36:59] like many others,

[00:37:00] but I think when you look

[00:37:01] at these institutions,

[00:37:02] these globalists,

[00:37:05] use whatever name you want,

[00:37:06] I think that includes

[00:37:07] things like the UN,

[00:37:08] the WEF,

[00:37:09] the WHO.

[00:37:10] I think that that narrative,

[00:37:12] that controlled operation

[00:37:13] when you have these elites,

[00:37:16] obviously,

[00:37:16] that in most cases

[00:37:17] have lots of resources

[00:37:19] financially,

[00:37:20] I agree with you.

[00:37:21] I'm not a big fan

[00:37:22] of liars or bullies,

[00:37:24] never have been.

[00:37:24] It's always been a problem

[00:37:25] for me.

[00:37:26] I've always taken it

[00:37:27] personally.

[00:37:28] Even when I was in school,

[00:37:30] I always defended people

[00:37:31] that were getting picked on.

[00:37:32] I didn't care who they were

[00:37:33] or what they were.

[00:37:33] I just didn't think

[00:37:34] it was right to obviously

[00:37:37] point out somebody

[00:37:39] for the wrong clothing

[00:37:40] or the wrong haircut

[00:37:41] or because they weren't

[00:37:43] obviously an athlete

[00:37:44] or otherwise

[00:37:45] and I would usually

[00:37:45] jump into the fray.

[00:37:48] It got me in a lot of trouble

[00:37:49] over the years.

[00:37:52] I was well known

[00:37:53] in the detention circles

[00:37:54] even in my high school

[00:37:56] but at the end of the day

[00:37:57] that was the problem.

[00:37:57] I started doing boxing

[00:37:59] when I was very young

[00:38:00] and of course

[00:38:01] it made me highly skilled

[00:38:02] as compared to the average student.

[00:38:05] So when somebody

[00:38:05] would pick on somebody

[00:38:06] I felt like there was

[00:38:07] a need to do it

[00:38:08] and even now I feel like that way

[00:38:09] and what you just pointed out

[00:38:11] the manipulation of the truth

[00:38:14] I don't like it.

[00:38:15] It makes me

[00:38:16] I try not to let it come out

[00:38:18] but it makes me kind of angry

[00:38:19] in a way

[00:38:19] because I feel like

[00:38:20] a misuse of power

[00:38:21] especially government influence

[00:38:23] or the misuse of media

[00:38:25] and that controlled operation

[00:38:26] and that's what happens.

[00:38:28] You're in a spot

[00:38:29] where obviously

[00:38:29] maybe you feel freer

[00:38:31] because you're there

[00:38:32] and a lot of people

[00:38:33] aren't aware of that.

[00:38:34] They don't know

[00:38:34] that you live in another country.

[00:38:35] They look at you

[00:38:36] because you've participated

[00:38:38] and had so many great interviews

[00:38:39] and participated

[00:38:40] in even events

[00:38:41] like the last event

[00:38:42] where you were at

[00:38:43] Rescue the Republic.

[00:38:44] We tried to look for you.

[00:38:45] We were running

[00:38:45] the Rumble booth there.

[00:38:46] We were doing interviews

[00:38:47] for Rumble there.

[00:38:48] Somehow we just didn't connect

[00:38:49] at the event

[00:38:50] because it was pretty busy

[00:38:52] but at the end of the day

[00:38:53] you got a chance

[00:38:54] to actually perform on stage.

[00:38:57] What did you feel

[00:38:57] about the energy

[00:38:58] on the Rescue the Republic

[00:38:59] with your music?

[00:39:00] I thought it was a great crowd.

[00:39:02] It seemed like people

[00:39:02] were really enjoying

[00:39:03] the unification moment

[00:39:05] and I think that's what

[00:39:06] America really wants

[00:39:07] at this point.

[00:39:07] They don't want this government

[00:39:09] doing what they're doing.

[00:39:10] You got involved

[00:39:11] with the event.

[00:39:11] I don't even know

[00:39:12] how you first came

[00:39:13] on top of the event

[00:39:13] if they reached out to you

[00:39:15] or vice versa.

[00:39:16] What did you feel?

[00:39:17] What was your perspective

[00:39:18] on the event?

[00:39:18] Give me your overview.

[00:39:20] Yeah, well, yeah,

[00:39:21] they reached out to me

[00:39:21] and dude,

[00:39:22] the Rescue the Republic event

[00:39:23] was brilliant.

[00:39:24] It was fantastic.

[00:39:25] I just wish I'd had

[00:39:26] more time on stage.

[00:39:28] Having only eight minutes

[00:39:29] to perform,

[00:39:30] that was the only sad part

[00:39:32] about it

[00:39:32] because I felt like

[00:39:33] I was just warming up

[00:39:34] by the time

[00:39:34] I had to finish my set

[00:39:35] and people were really into it

[00:39:37] and there's also something fun

[00:39:39] where when you can get people

[00:39:41] into,

[00:39:43] like I know for sure

[00:39:44] that, you know,

[00:39:44] that was not a hip-hop crowd per se.

[00:39:46] There were definitely

[00:39:47] probably some hip-hop fans

[00:39:48] within it

[00:39:49] but it wasn't a crowd

[00:39:50] that had come there

[00:39:51] specifically to hear me rap

[00:39:54] and so as a performer,

[00:39:55] as a musician,

[00:39:56] the biggest challenge actually

[00:39:57] is when you're thrust

[00:39:58] in front of an audience

[00:39:59] that is not familiar

[00:40:00] with you specifically

[00:40:03] but even more so

[00:40:05] with your sort of genre of music

[00:40:07] and there were people

[00:40:08] there of all ages.

[00:40:09] There were young people,

[00:40:09] there were people

[00:40:10] in their 50s, 60s, 70s,

[00:40:11] probably even higher than that

[00:40:13] and so, you know,

[00:40:14] to get them

[00:40:14] with their hands up in the air

[00:40:16] and, you know,

[00:40:17] shouting out,

[00:40:17] okay, dude

[00:40:18] and just bopping their heads

[00:40:19] and enjoying it,

[00:40:20] it feels good

[00:40:21] as an artist

[00:40:23] because something

[00:40:23] I take pride in

[00:40:25] is my ability

[00:40:26] to communicate with

[00:40:28] and connect with

[00:40:28] pretty much anybody

[00:40:30] from any walk of life

[00:40:31] regardless of their nationality,

[00:40:34] their age,

[00:40:35] their background,

[00:40:36] social status,

[00:40:37] anything like this

[00:40:38] and this is something

[00:40:39] I learned from,

[00:40:40] you know,

[00:40:41] partially from growing up

[00:40:42] but I had so many years

[00:40:44] of just,

[00:40:45] you guys have to remember,

[00:40:46] I used to sell my CDs

[00:40:47] on the street

[00:40:48] and so in order to sell

[00:40:50] 30,000 albums

[00:40:51] hand-to-hand,

[00:40:52] do you know how many people

[00:40:52] you have to talk to?

[00:40:54] I've literally,

[00:40:54] I have met

[00:40:56] at least half a million people.

[00:40:58] Maybe more.

[00:41:00] Yeah,

[00:41:01] I've met a minimum

[00:41:02] half a million

[00:41:03] and so,

[00:41:04] Just curiosity,

[00:41:05] I gotta ask you,

[00:41:06] what were you cracking them for

[00:41:07] in the beginning,

[00:41:07] at the very beginning,

[00:41:08] the first album?

[00:41:09] What were you selling for then

[00:41:11] and what did the price

[00:41:11] eventually become?

[00:41:12] I don't mean now

[00:41:13] but when you were still

[00:41:13] selling on the street.

[00:41:15] I started at five pounds

[00:41:16] Yep.

[00:41:18] And I ended at 12.

[00:41:22] Gotcha.

[00:41:23] That's great.

[00:41:24] Yeah,

[00:41:24] so I remember,

[00:41:26] at the end,

[00:41:26] I would do

[00:41:27] one for 12

[00:41:28] or two for 20.

[00:41:29] If you don't mind,

[00:41:30] what did it cost

[00:41:31] for you to make them

[00:41:33] back then?

[00:41:34] A CD typically

[00:41:35] costs about a pound.

[00:41:37] Oh,

[00:41:37] that's good.

[00:41:38] In terms of just the rate.

[00:41:40] Yeah,

[00:41:40] but of course,

[00:41:42] But a serious hustle

[00:41:43] going on.

[00:41:44] Yeah,

[00:41:45] but at the same time,

[00:41:46] it's like when you buy a book,

[00:41:47] right,

[00:41:47] you're not paying for the paper.

[00:41:48] When you buy a CD,

[00:41:50] you know,

[00:41:50] a CD with Microsoft Windows on it

[00:41:52] might,

[00:41:53] you know,

[00:41:54] those used to sell

[00:41:54] for probably a couple hundred bucks.

[00:41:56] The CD itself

[00:41:56] is always going to cost

[00:41:57] like a dollar,

[00:41:59] but you're not paying

[00:42:00] for the CD.

[00:42:01] Just like if you buy a book,

[00:42:02] you're not paying for the paper.

[00:42:03] If you buy an e-book,

[00:42:04] you're not,

[00:42:04] or an MP3,

[00:42:05] you're not paying for the,

[00:42:07] you know,

[00:42:08] just media.

[00:42:11] It's the content

[00:42:13] and the value within it.

[00:42:14] Yeah,

[00:42:14] of course.

[00:42:15] I'm a big book reader.

[00:42:16] I buy lots of books

[00:42:17] that way more than this,

[00:42:19] but I like them proficiently

[00:42:20] reading all the time,

[00:42:21] you know,

[00:42:21] about people that we want

[00:42:22] to have on the show

[00:42:23] or what I think

[00:42:23] is an important topic.

[00:42:25] I'm reading Annie Jacobson's

[00:42:26] book on nuclear war right now,

[00:42:28] which is really an amazing book.

[00:42:30] Lance,

[00:42:30] I think it's time

[00:42:31] to play this video though.

[00:42:32] Yeah,

[00:42:33] let's rock and roll.

[00:42:33] Let's do it,

[00:42:34] man.

[00:42:34] Oh,

[00:42:34] okay.

[00:42:34] Let's share it with the audience.

[00:42:36] Oh,

[00:42:36] this is the year of Zuby,

[00:42:37] bro.

[00:42:38] The year of Zuby,

[00:42:39] here we go.

[00:42:41] Ready?

[00:42:44] Yeah.

[00:42:45] Woo!

[00:42:47] Ladies and gentlemen,

[00:42:48] I'd like to welcome you back

[00:42:50] and maybe welcome some of you

[00:42:51] for the very first time.

[00:42:53] Hear me up,

[00:42:54] Scotty.

[00:42:54] My name is Zuby

[00:42:56] and what you are about to witness

[00:42:57] is simply my thoughts,

[00:42:59] my emotions,

[00:43:00] and my feelings

[00:43:01] communicated exactly

[00:43:02] the best way

[00:43:03] I know how to.

[00:43:05] Thank you.

[00:43:05] Thank you.

[00:43:06] Yo,

[00:43:06] I'm getting mine,

[00:43:07] baby.

[00:43:08] I'm on the grind,

[00:43:09] baby.

[00:43:09] And all these rhymes,

[00:43:10] baby,

[00:43:10] been on my mind lately,

[00:43:12] and I may die crazy,

[00:43:14] cause I won't die lazy.

[00:43:15] It's now or never.

[00:43:16] I said,

[00:43:16] it's now or never,

[00:43:17] man.

[00:43:18] I'm gonna shine,

[00:43:19] baby.

[00:43:19] I'll make the grind,

[00:43:20] baby.

[00:43:21] And all these fine ladies,

[00:43:22] they're on my lines,

[00:43:23] baby.

[00:43:24] And I may die crazy,

[00:43:25] cause I won't die lazy.

[00:43:27] It's now or never.

[00:43:28] I said,

[00:43:28] it's now or never,

[00:43:29] man.

[00:43:30] Don't apologize for honesty,

[00:43:31] a compromise for modesty,

[00:43:32] be grateful for what's monetary,

[00:43:34] stay faithful to the odyssey.

[00:43:35] Talk to people honestly,

[00:43:37] and ward off animosity,

[00:43:38] but better mediocrity,

[00:43:40] and peddle generosity.

[00:43:41] Want it?

[00:43:42] Then go get it.

[00:43:42] If you talk it,

[00:43:43] you should live it.

[00:43:44] If I said it,

[00:43:45] then I meant it.

[00:43:45] If I spit it,

[00:43:46] then I'll live it.

[00:43:47] To drugs,

[00:43:47] I'm not enamored.

[00:43:48] You can zoobie quote that.

[00:43:50] Never arming any hammers,

[00:43:51] but I do it for crack.

[00:43:52] My audio's addictive,

[00:43:54] and I'm sinning,

[00:43:55] but I'm winning.

[00:43:55] See me grinning while I'm chilling,

[00:43:57] cause I'm swimming with some women.

[00:43:58] Thrilling Spanish honeys,

[00:44:00] who don't ask your boy for money,

[00:44:01] but tell papi that he's guapo,

[00:44:03] even when I'm dressing bummy.

[00:44:04] Some tell me that they love me,

[00:44:06] I tell them to quit lying.

[00:44:07] They tell them that they mean it,

[00:44:09] and I tell them to keep trying.

[00:44:10] Always asking if my album cover's digitally enhanced,

[00:44:13] like nah baby girl,

[00:44:14] I'm very physically advanced.

[00:44:16] I'm getting mine baby,

[00:44:18] I'm on the grind baby,

[00:44:19] and all these rhymes baby,

[00:44:21] been on my mind lately.

[00:44:22] Now we're never man,

[00:44:28] I'm gonna shine baby,

[00:44:30] I'll make the grind pain me,

[00:44:31] and all these fine ladies,

[00:44:33] then on my life.

[00:44:41] First cut should be the deepest,

[00:44:43] the second one's to penetrate your mental through the speakers.

[00:44:45] Behind the dying meekness is the actual uniqueness

[00:44:48] of my mind and rhyming sleekness,

[00:44:50] not no fabricated to witness,

[00:44:56] my reason for existence.

[00:44:57] Believe I'll leave with something from a decade of persistence,

[00:45:00] crew my audience from nothing after path of least resistance.

[00:45:03] Was rocking it for freebie when my flow was still in easy,

[00:45:06] now I'm flying out to Europe,

[00:45:07] and the people wanna see me.

[00:45:09] But if you think it's easy,

[00:45:10] step into these shoes and be me.

[00:45:12] Rock a couple hundred shows,

[00:45:13] sell a couple thousand CDs,

[00:45:15] in a couple different countries.

[00:45:16] How I know my people love me,

[00:45:18] I sign a lot of autographs,

[00:45:19] and ladies often have since conception,

[00:45:23] now my dream is half reality,

[00:45:25] protected from inception.

[00:45:26] I'm getting mine baby,

[00:45:28] I'm on the grind baby,

[00:45:30] and all these rhymes baby,

[00:45:31] been on my mind lately.

[00:45:37] I said it's now and now and never man.

[00:45:50] What's the hardest obligation of an artist occupation?

[00:45:53] It's trying to find elation amongst hate and admiration.

[00:45:56] Don't ever look for trouble,

[00:45:57] call it faded dedication,

[00:45:58] haters trying to patient,

[00:46:01] while my frame control is tight.

[00:46:03] And I've been too many places,

[00:46:04] in good way too many stages,

[00:46:06] to be faced by aggravation.

[00:46:07] I charge on negativity,

[00:46:09] it's positively stated.

[00:46:10] Discharge my creativity,

[00:46:12] and right when I'm frustrated.

[00:46:13] So am I motivated?

[00:46:14] Or maybe I'm just a liar,

[00:46:17] I don't really have I greatly,

[00:46:28] and wine faintly,

[00:46:29] no riches come to cry baby,

[00:46:36] at least you try baby.

[00:46:37] I'm getting these,

[00:46:53] then all my lines baby.

[00:47:05] I gotta ask you something,

[00:47:06] has anybody ever said,

[00:47:08] there's two pictures,

[00:47:09] in that picture you almost look like 50 Cent,

[00:47:11] and then the unknown celebrity,

[00:47:12] from the side you look like Jay Z.

[00:47:14] Has anybody said that to you in those pictures?

[00:47:17] Yes, both.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:19] I'm not the only one.

[00:47:20] And like I said,

[00:47:21] it seems like you're progressing,

[00:47:23] you're getting more yoked as you go here,

[00:47:25] as the albums go.

[00:47:26] You get more ripped.

[00:47:28] I'm assuming that,

[00:47:29] you know,

[00:47:30] and I won't go into a lot of detail,

[00:47:31] I'm assuming the ladies were extremely interested,

[00:47:33] you at this point.

[00:47:34] Oh, he's got one.

[00:47:36] But, you know,

[00:47:38] I got, you know,

[00:47:38] the opening line of that,

[00:47:40] for some reason,

[00:47:41] it reminds me of the line from Street Out Compton,

[00:47:43] you are now about to witness,

[00:47:45] the strength of street knowledge.

[00:47:46] I don't know if it's the tone you did,

[00:47:48] but it kind of reminds me,

[00:47:49] it's one of my favorite songs.

[00:47:50] I always,

[00:47:51] you know,

[00:47:52] obviously NWA,

[00:47:53] I spent a lot of years listening to them.

[00:47:54] Again,

[00:47:55] I don't know if it was good for me or not,

[00:47:57] but I love the music,

[00:47:57] I love the message.

[00:47:59] At the end of the day,

[00:48:02] did that have any influence?

[00:48:03] Because that opening,

[00:48:04] for some reason,

[00:48:04] I immediately am drawn to that,

[00:48:06] that thought on that tagline.

[00:48:07] I don't know if it did or not.

[00:48:09] Yeah,

[00:48:09] no,

[00:48:10] it wasn't specifically an influence there.

[00:48:12] I know the line you're talking about,

[00:48:14] but yeah,

[00:48:14] I don't think it was inspired by that.

[00:48:16] Yeah.

[00:48:17] Just interesting.

[00:48:18] Great song.

[00:48:19] You know,

[00:48:19] and it's funny,

[00:48:19] there's a lot of compelling messages in there,

[00:48:22] of course.

[00:48:23] And then I think the next album I've got here,

[00:48:26] I don't know the title of this one.

[00:48:27] It just says,

[00:48:27] I think it's Zuby VH1 maybe?

[00:48:30] Oh,

[00:48:30] VH?

[00:48:31] VH.

[00:48:31] VH.

[00:48:31] Okay,

[00:48:32] oh,

[00:48:32] seven,

[00:48:32] you got the hand signs.

[00:48:33] I got it.

[00:48:34] George,

[00:48:34] throw up that album cover.

[00:48:35] Tell me about this one.

[00:48:37] Yeah,

[00:48:37] sure.

[00:48:38] So,

[00:48:38] seven was my seventh,

[00:48:40] my seventh release.

[00:48:41] Ah.

[00:48:42] So,

[00:48:42] it is my,

[00:48:45] trying to get everything in the right order now.

[00:48:48] So,

[00:48:48] that was my

[00:48:50] third,

[00:48:51] it's my second or my third EP.

[00:48:53] So,

[00:48:53] seven was a seven track EP.

[00:48:55] If I remember correctly,

[00:48:57] I put that out in,

[00:48:58] I want to say,

[00:49:00] 2017.

[00:49:01] First track on there is called Glory.

[00:49:03] I have a song on there called Moving Weight,

[00:49:05] which is all about going to the gym.

[00:49:06] So,

[00:49:07] I had a lot of fun with that one.

[00:49:10] But yeah,

[00:49:10] actually,

[00:49:11] you know what?

[00:49:11] I haven't listened to that EP for quite a long time.

[00:49:14] You put out a lot of music

[00:49:15] and sometimes you almost forget certain tracks

[00:49:18] that you've made.

[00:49:20] But Glory,

[00:49:21] the first song on that album,

[00:49:22] the first and last song on that EP

[00:49:24] are actually

[00:49:25] perhaps

[00:49:26] two of my favorite ones I've done.

[00:49:29] The last track is a song called

[00:49:30] SoC,

[00:49:31] which stands for

[00:49:32] Stream of Consciousness.

[00:49:35] And it's actually a pretty,

[00:49:36] pretty personal track.

[00:49:38] And I feel like it's become more relevant over time.

[00:49:40] I don't think a lot of people,

[00:49:42] even,

[00:49:42] you know,

[00:49:43] people who know my music,

[00:49:44] I think that one's kind of overlooked by a lot of people,

[00:49:48] but I really like that track.

[00:49:50] Interesting.

[00:49:51] You know,

[00:49:51] it's interesting.

[00:49:52] We have a Genesis Gold,

[00:49:53] the owner,

[00:49:54] Jonathan Rose,

[00:49:54] has got an English accent.

[00:49:55] I noticed you don't have a deep accent,

[00:49:57] even after living in England for a long time.

[00:49:59] It never happened,

[00:50:00] Todd.

[00:50:01] You didn't just get drawn into it.

[00:50:02] Because I know when people come

[00:50:03] and they're not even from New York

[00:50:04] and they're in New York for a long time,

[00:50:05] they end up picking up

[00:50:06] some of our street language nuances.

[00:50:09] I don't know if it's intentional

[00:50:11] or because they want to sound like they're from New York.

[00:50:13] I'm trying to figure out what accent he does have

[00:50:15] because he was raised in Saudi Arabia.

[00:50:17] Where'd you learn to speak English?

[00:50:19] In Saudi Arabia.

[00:50:21] Hmm.

[00:50:22] Interesting.

[00:50:22] But from Americans primarily.

[00:50:25] Are they from California?

[00:50:28] They were from all over.

[00:50:29] I had teachers from all over the place.

[00:50:31] So like I said,

[00:50:32] from kindergarten to fifth grade,

[00:50:33] I was in school in Saudi Arabia

[00:50:35] and I was actually in the American school system,

[00:50:37] which is why I say kindergarten to fifth grade.

[00:50:39] And then after that,

[00:50:40] I went to the UK

[00:50:41] and I was in the British school system after that.

[00:50:43] I got to say though,

[00:50:44] the American school system in Saudi Arabia

[00:50:47] has to be a lot different

[00:50:50] than the school system here

[00:50:51] because just the way you present yourself,

[00:50:55] your intellect,

[00:50:56] your demeanor,

[00:50:58] that should tell you that

[00:50:59] it just shows you our school systems here are messed up.

[00:51:02] I mean.

[00:51:03] Hey, yeah.

[00:51:04] Dude, I'm blessed to have gone to good schools.

[00:51:05] I went to three different schools.

[00:51:07] No, I went to four different schools,

[00:51:10] two different ones in Saudi Arabia

[00:51:12] and then two different ones in the UK.

[00:51:14] And I can honestly say that they were all fantastic.

[00:51:16] I had a lot of great teachers.

[00:51:18] You know,

[00:51:18] I had some teachers that were a little more mediocre,

[00:51:20] of course,

[00:51:21] but overall,

[00:51:22] I got a very good education.

[00:51:24] I have a question.

[00:51:25] Well, honestly,

[00:51:25] in Oxford,

[00:51:26] I mean,

[00:51:27] Oxford,

[00:51:27] probably one of the premier institutions

[00:51:29] in the entire world.

[00:51:30] One of my,

[00:51:31] somebody texted me to ask you a question.

[00:51:33] What did you major in?

[00:51:34] What was your major in Oxford?

[00:51:36] Computer science.

[00:51:37] Computer science,

[00:51:38] I think,

[00:51:38] right?

[00:51:39] Yeah,

[00:51:40] that's right.

[00:51:40] Yeah.

[00:51:41] Yeah.

[00:51:42] And when I read that,

[00:51:43] when I was doing some research on you,

[00:51:45] and I saw that,

[00:51:45] but it's interesting,

[00:51:46] that probably gave you an amazing skill set

[00:51:49] for everything you decided to do,

[00:51:51] whether it was music or even social media,

[00:51:52] that probably was obviously a real advantage.

[00:51:55] I think my first computer was a 386 DX 60 megahertz machine,

[00:52:01] if that tells you anything.

[00:52:02] That was my first computer,

[00:52:04] obviously,

[00:52:04] it was back when it was,

[00:52:05] you've got mail.

[00:52:06] And of course,

[00:52:07] Tom,

[00:52:08] I think was my first follower on MySpace,

[00:52:10] as many others.

[00:52:11] Isn't that right,

[00:52:11] Tom?

[00:52:12] He didn't follow.

[00:52:14] Tom was the only guy who didn't start from zero.

[00:52:17] Exactly.

[00:52:18] Yeah,

[00:52:19] 100%.

[00:52:20] Perseverance,

[00:52:21] the best of Zuby.

[00:52:22] George,

[00:52:23] throw that up.

[00:52:24] Which one was that?

[00:52:24] You know,

[00:52:24] it's funny,

[00:52:25] I noticed that you had this tendency

[00:52:27] in a lot of the album covers

[00:52:28] to not fully show your face.

[00:52:29] It's like a side shot in a lot of ways.

[00:52:32] I don't know if you did.

[00:52:32] Yeah,

[00:52:33] you're looking down a side shot.

[00:52:34] All of a sudden now,

[00:52:35] on that album,

[00:52:36] you changed the visual.

[00:52:38] What's going on there?

[00:52:39] Kind of has an outcast feel.

[00:52:41] I don't know why.

[00:52:42] Yeah,

[00:52:42] it's an interesting observation.

[00:52:44] I mean,

[00:52:44] my first album was a side shot.

[00:52:46] My second one was front facing.

[00:52:49] Third one was a side shot again.

[00:52:51] So,

[00:52:52] I don't know if there was any rhyme or reason to it.

[00:52:53] I just thought it was a dope photo.

[00:52:56] And so,

[00:52:56] I was like,

[00:52:57] yeah,

[00:52:57] let's...

[00:52:57] I'm trying to think.

[00:52:58] He don't look like any rapper

[00:52:59] that's coming to my mind right now in that picture.

[00:53:02] I think he just looks like Zuby right there.

[00:53:03] Zuby,

[00:53:04] yeah.

[00:53:05] Yeah,

[00:53:05] that's actually a fire.

[00:53:06] That's actually a really dope photo.

[00:53:07] I really like that picture.

[00:53:08] No,

[00:53:09] it's a cool photo.

[00:53:09] I have the sweatshirt too.

[00:53:10] So,

[00:53:11] perseverance,

[00:53:12] obviously,

[00:53:13] what was going on in your life.

[00:53:14] That's an interesting title to choose.

[00:53:16] Yeah.

[00:53:17] And what's interesting is that,

[00:53:19] that album came out beginning of,

[00:53:23] that album came out in,

[00:53:26] dude,

[00:53:26] did that,

[00:53:27] I'm trying to remember if that came out 2018 or 2019,

[00:53:29] but it came out just before things really started to blow up and take off for me on social media.

[00:53:37] So,

[00:53:38] and the first,

[00:53:39] the first track on that is called Perseverance.

[00:53:41] It's probably one of my best songs.

[00:53:43] And it's about persevering because by the time I put that out,

[00:53:46] you have to remember I'd been,

[00:53:47] I'd been doing music full time for about eight years at the time I put that out.

[00:53:52] And I'd been doing music overall for over a decade at that point,

[00:53:56] I guess for about 11 or 12 years.

[00:53:58] Wow.

[00:53:58] And always being independent,

[00:54:00] just constantly grinding.

[00:54:02] Anyone who knew me,

[00:54:03] I mean,

[00:54:03] anyone who knows me now still knows that I'm a grinder and I'm a hustler.

[00:54:07] But I was really just traveling nonstop,

[00:54:11] just all around the UK,

[00:54:12] selling my CDs on the street,

[00:54:14] running pop-up shops and malls,

[00:54:16] playing gigs,

[00:54:17] organizing my own independent tours.

[00:54:19] I was just,

[00:54:19] I was just grinding.

[00:54:20] And,

[00:54:21] you know,

[00:54:21] at the time I was not,

[00:54:23] I wasn't earning a lot of money.

[00:54:25] I was keeping myself afloat and I was able to keep making music,

[00:54:28] but it wasn't until 2020,

[00:54:31] you know,

[00:54:31] I once had a post that went pretty viral on Twitter where I actually.

[00:54:35] It was a deadlifting post,

[00:54:36] wasn't it?

[00:54:36] Or a weightlifting post as I remember it.

[00:54:38] Oh yeah.

[00:54:39] Yeah.

[00:54:39] That's the thing that put me on millions of people's radar.

[00:54:42] But I had a,

[00:54:43] I had a post,

[00:54:44] I think in 2021,

[00:54:45] where I told people like that,

[00:54:47] that was the first year that I had made more money from my music and

[00:54:52] entrepreneurial endeavors than I used to make in my corporate job.

[00:54:55] So I quit my corporate job in 2011.

[00:54:57] And from 2011 to 2021,

[00:55:03] I was making less or 2021 to 2020,

[00:55:08] sorry,

[00:55:08] 2011 to 2020.

[00:55:10] Every single year I was making less money than I used to make at my

[00:55:15] traditional job.

[00:55:16] And it wasn't until a few years ago,

[00:55:20] literally three,

[00:55:20] four years ago where I hit that inflection point where things really

[00:55:25] started to pay off financially.

[00:55:28] And I was finally at a point where I was like,

[00:55:30] Oh wow.

[00:55:31] Okay,

[00:55:31] cool.

[00:55:31] Like I'm actually,

[00:55:32] I'm actually doing well.

[00:55:34] I'm not just struggling to keep myself afloat every day.

[00:55:37] Um,

[00:55:38] I've,

[00:55:39] I've got some financial freedom.

[00:55:41] I've got an ability to do certain things and invest in certain things.

[00:55:45] So yeah,

[00:55:46] man,

[00:55:46] that is,

[00:55:47] that's the perseverance because so many people,

[00:55:50] you know,

[00:55:51] I think a lot of people don't succeed in everything simply because they give

[00:55:56] up too quickly.

[00:55:57] I think we live in an age,

[00:55:58] in a culture,

[00:55:59] and I think just naturally human beings have a proclivity for,

[00:56:02] you know,

[00:56:02] we want the path of least resistance and we want fast results.

[00:56:06] And anything that takes a long time is,

[00:56:11] you know,

[00:56:11] most,

[00:56:11] most people are not going to persevere through it.

[00:56:15] It doesn't matter if it's starting a YouTube channel or a radio show or

[00:56:19] running a business.

[00:56:20] It could even be a relationship,

[00:56:22] whatever it is.

[00:56:23] It's hard to persevere when it doesn't seem like you're getting out of it,

[00:56:27] at least equal to what you're putting in.

[00:56:29] It's very difficult to do that year after year,

[00:56:32] after year,

[00:56:33] you start a podcast,

[00:56:34] nobody cares.

[00:56:35] Nobody is listening.

[00:56:36] Most podcasts don't get past the first four episodes.

[00:56:40] Yeah.

[00:56:41] Yeah.

[00:56:41] If you just make it to the fifth,

[00:56:43] if you just make it to the fifth,

[00:56:44] you've already done better than most people.

[00:56:46] We're doing good,

[00:56:46] Dan.

[00:56:47] We're doing good.

[00:56:48] Yeah.

[00:56:48] I think we're on here.

[00:56:49] We were,

[00:56:50] we were actually working underneath somebody else's platform for a while.

[00:56:53] So I don't know how many episodes are over there,

[00:56:54] but I think we're on for ourselves.

[00:56:55] What?

[00:56:55] What?

[00:56:56] 390,

[00:56:56] 380 something,

[00:56:57] George?

[00:56:58] 380 something maybe?

[00:57:00] It is a grind.

[00:57:01] 390 on our own.

[00:57:02] It's a combination of not only the grind and the hustle.

[00:57:06] It's,

[00:57:06] it's about focusing on your craft and you clearly focus on your craft.

[00:57:10] And that takes,

[00:57:10] I believe,

[00:57:11] self-control.

[00:57:12] You also have to take personal responsibility for your actions.

[00:57:15] These are things that I think are really important.

[00:57:17] And that's one of the things you do and you've done it for a long time.

[00:57:21] I want to talk about that viral post that,

[00:57:23] and I believe it was a deadlift post.

[00:57:24] I don't remember now,

[00:57:25] but I remember seeing it and I remember,

[00:57:27] wow,

[00:57:27] this thing really blew up.

[00:57:29] And,

[00:57:30] but you want to,

[00:57:31] you always seem like you want to inspire people,

[00:57:33] but you also lead by example.

[00:57:35] I think it's the way that you present yourself,

[00:57:37] your brand.

[00:57:38] It's not just branding.

[00:57:39] It's a quality of presentation and life.

[00:57:42] And I think that's a message that,

[00:57:43] you know,

[00:57:44] resonates that people need to be on top of because here's,

[00:57:46] this is a difficulty,

[00:57:47] right?

[00:57:48] I'm often confused.

[00:57:49] I go out,

[00:57:49] look there and I look at different accounts,

[00:57:52] you know,

[00:57:52] say,

[00:57:52] say,

[00:57:53] and I show speed.

[00:57:54] And I look at what these other individuals are doing and it looks like

[00:57:58] college,

[00:57:59] you know,

[00:58:00] like we used to do in the dorms,

[00:58:01] right?

[00:58:02] We,

[00:58:02] you know,

[00:58:03] athletes,

[00:58:03] you know,

[00:58:04] with one of the key pranks was icy hot and a jock,

[00:58:06] or he'd put a foam in the phone.

[00:58:08] You'd call their phone,

[00:58:09] you know,

[00:58:10] and gel in the phone and they'd stick it in their ears.

[00:58:12] To me,

[00:58:12] what I see a lot on social media isn't quality,

[00:58:15] you know,

[00:58:16] but it's interesting how they'll go viral.

[00:58:17] These kids are running around in,

[00:58:19] you know,

[00:58:19] super cars,

[00:58:20] but I think the message they promote,

[00:58:21] isn't really a great message,

[00:58:23] but you don't do that.

[00:58:24] You inspire others and you lead by example.

[00:58:27] Is that,

[00:58:28] I'm assuming that's a conscious decision that that's part of your message and

[00:58:31] your branding.

[00:58:33] Yes.

[00:58:33] It's a very conscious decision.

[00:58:35] And it's one that I made in my late teens.

[00:58:40] I've had a lot of clarity since pretty young in my life,

[00:58:45] which,

[00:58:45] you know,

[00:58:46] I think,

[00:58:46] I thank God for,

[00:58:47] I think my family for,

[00:58:48] I think my parents for,

[00:58:49] but for literally the past 20 years,

[00:58:53] I've been very clear on what my mission and purpose on this earth are.

[00:58:59] And I think the reason why there are a lot of people are directionless is because they,

[00:59:05] they haven't really thought about this on,

[00:59:07] on any deep level.

[00:59:08] I think a lot of people live their life mostly on autopilot.

[00:59:12] But sometimes this is somewhat out of necessity,

[00:59:16] right?

[00:59:16] Just constantly being pressed and being busy and sort of just chasing and trying to do some basic survival.

[00:59:23] So I understand.

[00:59:23] And I empathize with that.

[00:59:25] But I think if you,

[00:59:26] if you really think about it from the age of zero to let's say somewhere between 16 and 21,

[00:59:34] depending on who you are and what your path is,

[00:59:36] most of us don't really have that much autonomy,

[00:59:39] right?

[00:59:39] You're kind of just put on a certain track.

[00:59:41] Like you don't choose where you're born or who you're born to.

[00:59:44] You don't choose what school,

[00:59:46] what subjects you study at school.

[00:59:48] It's not until like your mid to late teens,

[00:59:51] where you even really sort of get to make choices at the beginning.

[00:59:55] We don't even choose what food we eat.

[00:59:56] We don't choose when we eat.

[00:59:57] We don't choose when you go to bed.

[00:59:58] It's not until you get towards those stages of adulthood,

[01:00:01] where you can actually start to make those choices and decisions for your own life.

[01:00:07] You could now decide,

[01:00:08] Hey,

[01:00:08] what job do I want to do?

[01:00:09] What do I want to study?

[01:00:10] What do I want to get good at?

[01:00:11] Where do I want to live?

[01:00:13] Who do I want to be friends with?

[01:00:14] I mean,

[01:00:14] at the beginning you're,

[01:00:15] you don't even really choose your friends.

[01:00:16] You're all shoved into the same school and you,

[01:00:19] you kind of become,

[01:00:21] you become friends by proximity.

[01:00:23] Whereas when you get older,

[01:00:24] you become friends with people because you,

[01:00:26] you choose,

[01:00:26] you,

[01:00:26] you,

[01:00:27] we find,

[01:00:27] okay,

[01:00:27] we have something in common.

[01:00:29] So we're going to become friends.

[01:00:31] So I just think with that,

[01:00:32] with all of that,

[01:00:33] um,

[01:00:34] you know,

[01:00:34] I,

[01:00:35] I,

[01:00:35] I think a lot of people,

[01:00:36] you know,

[01:00:36] they say you go through full education.

[01:00:39] You might go to,

[01:00:39] you go to school,

[01:00:40] you go to college or university,

[01:00:42] you get a degree.

[01:00:43] Maybe you go and do a master.

[01:00:44] Some people,

[01:00:44] they even do a PhD.

[01:00:45] Some people,

[01:00:46] it's not until they're mid to late twenties when they're really sort of out of the educational system.

[01:00:53] And they're thrust into that real world.

[01:00:55] And so I,

[01:00:57] I just think a lot of people don't get that moment to pause and think,

[01:01:00] okay,

[01:01:01] who,

[01:01:02] who am I?

[01:01:03] First of all,

[01:01:04] who am I?

[01:01:04] What are my priorities?

[01:01:05] What do I really want my life to look like?

[01:01:08] What is my mission?

[01:01:08] What is my purpose?

[01:01:09] Do I have a calling?

[01:01:11] What's the connect?

[01:01:12] How many people do jobs that they absolutely hate?

[01:01:15] Like,

[01:01:16] I'll,

[01:01:16] I'll tell you one of my beliefs and I don't think this is just the optimist in me,

[01:01:21] but I don't think everybody,

[01:01:23] I don't think it's realistic that everyone is going to make a full-time living doing something that they love.

[01:01:28] But I do believe that everybody can make a living doing something that they don't hate.

[01:01:33] And I do wonder how many hundreds of millions or maybe billions of people are out there day in,

[01:01:37] day out.

[01:01:38] They're spending the majority of their waking hours doing something that they genuinely hate.

[01:01:42] And sometimes they haven't even really thought about why they haven't really thought about,

[01:01:47] okay,

[01:01:48] what options do I have?

[01:01:49] Can I,

[01:01:49] can I build more skills?

[01:01:51] Maybe,

[01:01:52] maybe,

[01:01:52] you know,

[01:01:52] is there something I can do?

[01:01:54] Maybe a lot of people are,

[01:01:55] have entrepreneur,

[01:01:57] you know,

[01:01:57] have an somewhat of an entrepreneurial spirit,

[01:01:59] but it never sort of dawns on them.

[01:02:01] Hey,

[01:02:01] maybe I could strike out independently and I could create something.

[01:02:05] How many people who want to write a book actually ever get to writing the book?

[01:02:08] So,

[01:02:09] yeah,

[01:02:09] I encourage people to just,

[01:02:13] you know,

[01:02:14] it's not a one size fits all solution and no one,

[01:02:17] you know,

[01:02:18] two people don't have the exact same ideal life and none of us are,

[01:02:21] will totally achieve our ideal life.

[01:02:23] But I encourage people to just,

[01:02:25] you know,

[01:02:25] ask questions of themselves and of the world and of the culture.

[01:02:29] And to,

[01:02:30] you know,

[01:02:31] just,

[01:02:31] just ponder,

[01:02:33] take a moment and ponder.

[01:02:34] Okay.

[01:02:35] What do I have to offer?

[01:02:37] And,

[01:02:37] and a good way to frame this as well as,

[01:02:39] you know,

[01:02:39] what gift or skill or experience or knowledge do I have that other people can

[01:02:44] benefit from?

[01:02:46] And when you really start to think that way,

[01:02:48] I think that's really the unlock to both happiness and also to long-term

[01:02:52] success,

[01:02:52] because if you can positively help hundreds of thousands or let alone

[01:02:59] millions of people,

[01:03:00] and you can offer them something that they need or they want,

[01:03:03] it's going to be pretty hard for you not to be successful.

[01:03:07] All right.

[01:03:08] Hold on.

[01:03:08] I want you guys to hold that thought.

[01:03:09] Cause I got a little special treat.

[01:03:12] Hold on.

[01:03:13] Just watch.

[01:03:26] That's it,

[01:03:26] right?

[01:03:26] That's the viral.

[01:03:27] That's one of your viral posts.

[01:03:29] That was it.

[01:03:31] That moment,

[01:03:31] that moment changed my life.

[01:03:33] It's,

[01:03:34] it's,

[01:03:34] it's,

[01:03:34] it's,

[01:03:35] it's,

[01:03:35] it's incredible really.

[01:03:36] And it's interesting sometimes,

[01:03:37] you know,

[01:03:38] the simplicity of something.

[01:03:40] And I think that's the beauty of the online.

[01:03:42] And of course,

[01:03:42] it's also the danger of the online that there's these odd moments to come

[01:03:45] along and somebody is propelled forward.

[01:03:48] And I think what you just said a minute ago,

[01:03:50] that was so,

[01:03:50] um,

[01:03:51] you know,

[01:03:51] it's,

[01:03:52] it's inspirational,

[01:03:52] right?

[01:03:53] Cause you're talking about making an impact on the world.

[01:03:55] You've said that about your concerts,

[01:03:58] obviously,

[01:03:58] even as an author.

[01:04:00] And I think if people really take that to heart,

[01:04:02] they have to,

[01:04:02] they have to look deep inside because,

[01:04:04] you know,

[01:04:05] you know,

[01:04:06] George and I,

[01:04:07] for this show,

[01:04:07] our thought always is how do we stop some of the insanity?

[01:04:10] You know,

[01:04:11] how do we get a unification?

[01:04:12] How do we get people to look at the truth and not be brainwashed by,

[01:04:17] uh,

[01:04:17] a controlled operation that I think is a psychological warfare,

[01:04:21] right?

[01:04:21] Um,

[01:04:21] so for us,

[01:04:23] I don't like the state of the country right now.

[01:04:24] So the,

[01:04:25] the message I always want to try to bring forward is,

[01:04:27] you know,

[01:04:27] stop the division,

[01:04:29] stop worrying about,

[01:04:29] you know,

[01:04:30] skin color and religion and the rest of it,

[01:04:32] and look at what's important for you and your family members and your

[01:04:35] friends,

[01:04:36] your community.

[01:04:37] How do you,

[01:04:37] how can you really change things and what can you do to make that

[01:04:41] change?

[01:04:41] Which of course we always say,

[01:04:42] educate and unify the country one episode at a time.

[01:04:45] The point is to take the information that's presented by somebody like

[01:04:48] you that obviously,

[01:04:48] um,

[01:04:49] you know,

[01:04:50] has their shit together in what matters beyond the scope of not only

[01:04:53] being a person,

[01:04:54] but being a,

[01:04:55] you know,

[01:04:56] member of the global community.

[01:04:57] It's clear.

[01:04:58] I want to make sure I touch on your books because I think it's an

[01:05:01] opportunity for people to do something for themselves.

[01:05:04] Even though I could have ended on that last message years,

[01:05:06] because I think that was really inspirational.

[01:05:08] Seriously.

[01:05:09] Um,

[01:05:10] you,

[01:05:10] you,

[01:05:10] you authored a book and obviously strong advice,

[01:05:14] uh,

[01:05:14] and I obviously,

[01:05:16] uh,

[01:05:16] a book on health and taking care of yourself.

[01:05:19] Once you give me some background on this,

[01:05:20] what compelled you?

[01:05:21] Obviously you write it.

[01:05:22] You wanted to be an author.

[01:05:23] Maybe,

[01:05:24] maybe you'd always wanted to be out there.

[01:05:25] Maybe you just felt like people were missing something.

[01:05:27] What started you out down the road of writing this book?

[01:05:29] Yeah,

[01:05:30] man,

[01:05:30] to be honest with you,

[01:05:31] it was closer to the ladder.

[01:05:32] I didn't really have aspirations to be an author at the time I wrote it.

[01:05:35] It's I've been going to the gym consistently since I was about 16 years old.

[01:05:40] Um,

[01:05:41] you know,

[01:05:41] you saw that first album cover.

[01:05:42] I was in pretty good shape already in my teens and I used to be a fat kid.

[01:05:47] I actually weighed more when I was 15 than I weigh now at 38.

[01:05:52] So,

[01:05:53] you know,

[01:05:53] I'm not someone who sort of just was like naturally super in shape or anything like that.

[01:05:57] And so I went through a lot of ups and downs in terms of nutrition,

[01:06:01] in terms of training,

[01:06:02] in terms of motivation and so on.

[01:06:04] So I essentially,

[01:06:05] and you know,

[01:06:06] all through my twenties and into my thirties,

[01:06:09] I've always been a person who people ask for training and nutritional advice.

[01:06:15] Like people were always asking me these questions anyway.

[01:06:17] How do you train?

[01:06:18] What are your thoughts on this diet?

[01:06:20] What are your thoughts on this?

[01:06:20] And I just thought,

[01:06:21] you know what?

[01:06:22] Why don't I just write a book?

[01:06:24] Why don't I just write a short book that will answer a lot of these questions?

[01:06:27] Why don't I write the book that I wish somebody gave me when I was 15 years old and I was wandering

[01:06:32] around the gym,

[01:06:33] wondering like what to do.

[01:06:34] And I was just picking up random things.

[01:06:36] So for that person who's out there,

[01:06:38] who's like,

[01:06:38] man,

[01:06:38] I want to lose weight or I want to get training.

[01:06:40] I want to build muscle or whatever,

[01:06:42] but they just don't know where to get started.

[01:06:44] I wanted to really clarify things for them without making it overtly complicated,

[01:06:48] filling it with a bunch of jargon or,

[01:06:50] you know,

[01:06:50] all just being a sales pitch,

[01:06:51] something like that.

[01:06:52] So it's a very simple book.

[01:06:54] It's I've sold over 12,000 copies of that now completely independently.

[01:06:58] It's not even on Amazon and it has helped thousands of people around the world to improve

[01:07:04] and get in better shape.

[01:07:06] It's for both men and women,

[01:07:07] young,

[01:07:08] old,

[01:07:08] whatever.

[01:07:08] It's really a book about sort of first principles and just how to do it.

[01:07:13] So to this day,

[01:07:15] a lot of material out there,

[01:07:16] it's confusing.

[01:07:16] So simplification of getting in shape.

[01:07:18] My first interaction with a health and fitness book was education of a bodybuilder by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[01:07:25] That was the first book.

[01:07:26] Of course,

[01:07:26] I,

[01:07:27] you know,

[01:07:27] moved a bunch of stuff.

[01:07:29] I bought from garage sales into my room as a child and started working out.

[01:07:33] Uh,

[01:07:33] and later on,

[01:07:34] I think my first gym membership was a Jackal Lane membership.

[01:07:38] Uh,

[01:07:39] they had him in,

[01:07:39] uh,

[01:07:40] I only remember the place because they stupidly planted palm trees in New York.

[01:07:45] They didn't make it through one winter.

[01:07:46] I don't know why they,

[01:07:47] it was $5 a month for life.

[01:07:49] If you bought that membership back then,

[01:07:50] I,

[01:07:51] I actually,

[01:07:51] I've got to tell you what's interesting.

[01:07:54] This goes to tell you.

[01:07:55] So my,

[01:07:55] my godfather was a copo for the Gambino crime family.

[01:07:59] And,

[01:07:59] uh,

[01:07:59] they had gotten ahold of cases of the lifetime,

[01:08:02] uh,

[01:08:03] membership cards,

[01:08:05] probably fell off a truck.

[01:08:06] I assume I had one of those membership,

[01:08:08] George guards,

[01:08:09] the lifetime membership,

[01:08:10] and I don't think I ever paid for it.

[01:08:11] And I used it until they actually,

[01:08:13] I think went out of business or got sold.

[01:08:15] I don't know what happened.

[01:08:16] This was in,

[01:08:17] uh,

[01:08:17] obviously in white plains in Westchester County.

[01:08:19] They had one right on,

[01:08:20] uh,

[01:08:21] can't remember that I'm a Maranick Avenue.

[01:08:23] That's where the location was anyway.

[01:08:24] And then I think most of my other influence came from Joe Weider,

[01:08:27] but it was confusing.

[01:08:28] You know,

[01:08:28] if a lot of guys,

[01:08:29] you try to look at these people you want to get in shape.

[01:08:30] So I think simplification in the fitness world,

[01:08:33] we're definitely going to cover where people can get that book.

[01:08:35] I always think the first step is making the decision to get in better

[01:08:39] shape or take care of your health.

[01:08:40] It's that first mental thing.

[01:08:42] Like,

[01:08:42] Hey,

[01:08:42] I'm going to get in great shape.

[01:08:43] You obviously did a good job,

[01:08:44] but what now this is interesting.

[01:08:46] So,

[01:08:47] uh,

[01:08:48] uh,

[01:08:48] child's book,

[01:08:49] you wrote a children's book called the candy calamity.

[01:08:51] And I think it's a series is the way that I understand it.

[01:08:54] I don't know if I got that right.

[01:08:55] Maybe there's a couple of books that go with it.

[01:08:57] I know there's a sticker pack and a bunch of other things.

[01:08:59] I have something about how,

[01:09:00] uh,

[01:09:01] Bongo realizes how much his candy cravings affect him.

[01:09:05] So what,

[01:09:05] what explained to me,

[01:09:07] you know,

[01:09:07] so you went from the fitness book,

[01:09:08] you're obviously already in music and now you go into children's book.

[01:09:11] Now we had cash Patella on a couple of weeks ago.

[01:09:13] He's a friend of ours.

[01:09:15] He's obviously head down,

[01:09:16] uh,

[01:09:16] you know,

[01:09:17] and,

[01:09:17] and done a book that obviously,

[01:09:18] many people have purchased.

[01:09:20] It's been highly successful children's book,

[01:09:22] probably one of the,

[01:09:23] the most immense multi,

[01:09:25] multi-billion dollar markets.

[01:09:27] The king.

[01:09:27] Yep.

[01:09:28] Yeah.

[01:09:28] The plot against King George.

[01:09:30] It's actually there's the same publisher of brave books.

[01:09:32] Oh,

[01:09:33] great.

[01:09:33] I see that.

[01:09:34] So tell me about this.

[01:09:36] Yeah,

[01:09:37] sure.

[01:09:37] So brave books is a company shout out to them.

[01:09:39] They're a company based in Texas.

[01:09:41] They make children's books.

[01:09:42] They release a new one every month and they collaborate with different authors and influential people to create books.

[01:09:50] So they contacted me a couple of years ago and asked if I wanted to collaborate on a children's book with them.

[01:09:56] Again,

[01:09:56] this was not something I'd sort of planned out in my mind,

[01:09:58] but the opportunity came.

[01:10:00] And when a cool opportunity comes,

[01:10:01] if I can,

[01:10:02] I tend to say yes.

[01:10:04] And so we made that book together as a rapper.

[01:10:06] I wanted to make sure that it all rhymed.

[01:10:08] And so the,

[01:10:09] I'm not going to give the whole book away,

[01:10:11] but the,

[01:10:12] the message of the story is basically about the importance of taking care of your body

[01:10:16] and the importance of self-control and moderation.

[01:10:20] So obviously,

[01:10:21] you know,

[01:10:21] strong advice was aimed at the grownups,

[01:10:23] but that one's aimed at kids.

[01:10:24] And I've had so many people actually tell me that their,

[01:10:27] that their kids love that book.

[01:10:28] And there's something I receive a lot of lovely messages and a lot of lovely feedback,

[01:10:33] but there's something particularly nice about knowing that there's people out there whose young children are enjoying something that you created.

[01:10:43] There's something really sort of wholesome and heartwarming about that.

[01:10:48] So I,

[01:10:49] I'm,

[01:10:49] I'm glad that the book did well and,

[01:10:53] you know,

[01:10:53] people continue to buy it and enjoy it.

[01:10:55] So yeah,

[01:10:55] I'm proud of it.

[01:10:56] Maybe,

[01:10:56] maybe there's a cartoon in your future with a voiceover from Zuby.

[01:11:00] Who knows?

[01:11:00] Maybe somebody will take the book and turn it into a series.

[01:11:03] That'd be interesting.

[01:11:04] Obviously,

[01:11:04] I think anything that helps children take care of themselves,

[01:11:07] because,

[01:11:08] you know,

[01:11:08] we,

[01:11:13] you know,

[01:11:13] we just had on Pat Militage,

[01:11:15] if you know him from MMA,

[01:11:17] obviously a champion for years.

[01:11:19] He's,

[01:11:19] he's obviously gone down a completely different path.

[01:11:23] He's working on soil remediation and he's working on nutrition and getting heavy metals out of people's body.

[01:11:29] And really interesting guy,

[01:11:31] super knowledgeable.

[01:11:32] We're going to have his partner on soon.

[01:11:33] But of course,

[01:11:34] you know,

[01:11:34] what's going into our bodies.

[01:11:36] It's ever more important.

[01:11:37] I want to cover your last album.

[01:11:39] I'm going to swing back for a sec,

[01:11:41] cover your last album.

[01:11:42] I think this is the newest one.

[01:11:44] And then obviously I want to make sure we throw up your website because this is where they can get a hold of all the Zuby music,

[01:11:50] Zuby books.

[01:11:52] So the last album right here,

[01:11:54] the cover,

[01:11:55] tell me about this.

[01:11:56] Yeah,

[01:11:57] sure.

[01:11:57] So my latest album that is called word of Zuby that came out in 2021.

[01:12:03] I think it's my best album.

[01:12:05] I think it's my best album.

[01:12:06] I think it's my most mature.

[01:12:07] I think it's the one with the strongest messaging on there until the next one comes out.

[01:12:11] Whenever that next one comes,

[01:12:13] hopefully 2025,

[01:12:14] that'll be,

[01:12:15] I'll have to make sure it tops that one.

[01:12:17] But yeah,

[01:12:18] I launched that one also with a Kickstarter project,

[01:12:20] which is quite interesting.

[01:12:21] So I raised over a hundred thousand dollars in 30 days for my supporters to help fund the release of that album.

[01:12:28] And it's also the first release that I put out on vinyl as well.

[01:12:32] So I did a limited edition run of vinyl copies for that.

[01:12:36] As well.

[01:12:36] It's got tracks on there.

[01:12:37] It's got,

[01:12:38] okay,

[01:12:38] dude is on there.

[01:12:39] It's got live it up on there.

[01:12:42] It's got a song on there called marvelous that a lot of people have enjoyed.

[01:12:46] So,

[01:12:46] oh,

[01:12:46] and real as well.

[01:12:47] Real is the first song on there.

[01:12:48] I've got music videos for all of those.

[01:12:50] It's a dope album cover.

[01:12:51] Who did the art?

[01:12:52] Oh,

[01:12:52] thank you.

[01:12:52] The artwork was done by a Canadian artist called Madex.

[01:12:56] He typically does artwork in the Bitcoin space.

[01:12:59] So it was actually create,

[01:13:01] he create.

[01:13:02] So the album artwork is actually like almost like a flat image of the real artwork.

[01:13:10] So the true artwork was actually made with materials.

[01:13:14] If you see what I mean.

[01:13:16] yeah,

[01:13:16] I do.

[01:13:16] So it was more like a mixed medium kind of thing.

[01:13:18] Yeah.

[01:13:18] It was like a mixed medium thing.

[01:13:20] Um,

[01:13:21] so somebody bought the original of that and I've,

[01:13:23] I've got a poster of it,

[01:13:24] but I,

[01:13:25] it was such a dope piece,

[01:13:26] you know,

[01:13:27] that I was,

[01:13:27] and he,

[01:13:27] he just did it.

[01:13:28] I didn't even commission him to do it.

[01:13:30] He just,

[01:13:30] uh,

[01:13:31] liked my work and liked my message and created this whole thing for me and just sort of.

[01:13:36] It's really,

[01:13:38] it's awesome.

[01:13:38] I'm looking at the details in it right now.

[01:13:40] I'm looking at a closeup on my computer,

[01:13:41] but it's,

[01:13:42] it's dope.

[01:13:42] It's very cool.

[01:13:44] You know,

[01:13:44] kind of a big change is everything else for you as a photograph,

[01:13:47] kind of a cover,

[01:13:47] you know,

[01:13:48] and that,

[01:13:48] and that original hip hop stuff.

[01:13:50] But this,

[01:13:51] I think is obviously kind of transcends that,

[01:13:53] which if it's your best album,

[01:13:54] that obviously means a lot.

[01:13:56] Uh,

[01:13:56] how's the album doing sales wise?

[01:13:58] You're doing good.

[01:13:59] Yeah.

[01:13:59] Yeah.

[01:14:00] The album,

[01:14:00] album did well.

[01:14:01] Um,

[01:14:01] I haven't pushed it.

[01:14:02] I haven't pushed it that much recently because I've been doing so many other things.

[01:14:06] So it's kind of,

[01:14:07] they're ticking along in the background.

[01:14:09] I have,

[01:14:09] I have so many things that sometimes I forget to promote them.

[01:14:13] Like I've,

[01:14:14] yeah,

[01:14:14] I have,

[01:14:15] I have albums,

[01:14:16] I have books,

[01:14:16] I've got hundreds of podcasts and really I should be,

[01:14:19] you know,

[01:14:19] like constantly pushing everything all the time,

[01:14:22] but it's quite hard to do that.

[01:14:25] Cause as a creative,

[01:14:26] you're always looking towards that next thing and sort of nurturing and communicating with your audience,

[01:14:31] but it's all available.

[01:14:32] Team zooby.com.

[01:14:34] Um,

[01:14:35] it's almost like you need a specific marketing person.

[01:14:38] Cause creative genius for the people that are obviously have lots of talents.

[01:14:42] Uh,

[01:14:42] like you do it's,

[01:14:44] it's difficult cause the creative genius,

[01:14:45] my wife is very creative.

[01:14:47] She's always got lots of different projects going on.

[01:14:49] She's going to,

[01:14:49] we're going to do a show for her soon,

[01:14:51] but she works with professional athletes and lots of others.

[01:14:54] Cause she's an IFBB bikini pro,

[01:14:56] but she also helps people with nutrition.

[01:14:58] And she's got,

[01:14:59] uh,

[01:14:59] a couple of pieces of non-invasive equipment.

[01:15:02] She's actually designed and created.

[01:15:03] So she's actually marketing those,

[01:15:05] but it's always difficult.

[01:15:06] Cause she's always like,

[01:15:06] I've got a great idea.

[01:15:07] I'm like,

[01:15:08] hold on a minute.

[01:15:08] You've already got seven great ideas.

[01:15:10] We need to work on the ones you've got.

[01:15:12] But at the end of the day,

[01:15:13] it's always difficult when you're that kind of a person,

[01:15:15] but obviously that's a,

[01:15:17] that's that modern day,

[01:15:18] uh,

[01:15:18] you know,

[01:15:19] philosopher,

[01:15:20] genius,

[01:15:21] inventor style personality that I think you have.

[01:15:24] Um,

[01:15:25] well,

[01:15:25] listen,

[01:15:25] George,

[01:15:25] throw up the website.

[01:15:26] We got that up already.

[01:15:27] I see maybe just scroll through.

[01:15:28] So just really quick,

[01:15:29] Zuby,

[01:15:29] we want to give you that shameless plug period,

[01:15:32] talk about where they can acquire the book,

[01:15:34] where they can buy the albums.

[01:15:36] And,

[01:15:36] uh,

[01:15:36] that's your website,

[01:15:37] obviously.

[01:15:38] And anything else you want to talk about for social media,

[01:15:40] you guys know,

[01:15:41] if you're not already following Zuby,

[01:15:43] you should be,

[01:15:44] I promise you,

[01:15:45] you'll thank me later.

[01:15:46] Zuby music on every platform,

[01:15:48] uh,

[01:15:48] the posts and what he puts out.

[01:15:50] I think it'll brighten your day in a different way.

[01:15:52] And when you're going down those rabbit holes into the dark world of social

[01:15:56] media,

[01:15:57] you need some light.

[01:15:58] You're going to need some people that are going to pull you out and maybe

[01:16:01] remind you that there's an outdoors,

[01:16:02] there's a family,

[01:16:04] there's friends and people that you need to connect with and you need to enjoy

[01:16:07] it.

[01:16:07] Obviously educating yourself,

[01:16:08] maybe beyond the scope of what's sitting in front of you on your computer.

[01:16:12] And maybe when you engage people,

[01:16:13] I'm going to recommend,

[01:16:14] don't take your cell phone.

[01:16:15] Maybe,

[01:16:16] you know,

[01:16:16] go,

[01:16:16] go meet people out.

[01:16:18] Don't,

[01:16:18] don't take the cell phone.

[01:16:19] Don't,

[01:16:19] don't have your face buried in it when you're walking.

[01:16:22] Maybe you'll see something amazing.

[01:16:23] Maybe you'll notice somebody that needs help.

[01:16:26] Uh,

[01:16:26] but you know,

[01:16:26] just having yourself buried in tech all day long is not good for your mental

[01:16:31] health,

[01:16:31] in my opinion.

[01:16:32] So go ahead,

[01:16:33] Zuby,

[01:16:34] tell us,

[01:16:34] uh,

[01:16:34] tell them where they find you,

[01:16:35] the website and everything else.

[01:16:37] Sure thing.

[01:16:38] Well,

[01:16:38] thank you for the kind words and thank you for inviting me.

[01:16:41] Um,

[01:16:41] I'm just going to keep it simple.

[01:16:42] You can follow me on all social media at Zuby music.

[01:16:46] That is Z-U-B-Y music.

[01:16:48] And if you would like to check out my music books,

[01:16:51] I've also got a ton of merchandise that is all available at teamzuby.com.

[01:16:56] So just go to teamzuby.com and you can find everything there.

[01:17:00] And obviously,

[01:17:01] uh,

[01:17:01] always support the people who come on the show because they're trying to make a

[01:17:04] difference in the world.

[01:17:04] You know,

[01:17:05] that's our plan here,

[01:17:06] educate and unify the country.

[01:17:07] So of course,

[01:17:08] if you like the content,

[01:17:09] short form,

[01:17:10] long form,

[01:17:10] take it.

[01:17:11] We're not going to come after you.

[01:17:12] We want you to spread the word.

[01:17:13] We want you to educate your friends,

[01:17:15] family,

[01:17:15] relatives,

[01:17:16] loved ones.

[01:17:17] Uh,

[01:17:17] and of course,

[01:17:18] through that process,

[01:17:19] hopefully we'll get,

[01:17:19] get away from this insanity of division and chaos.

[01:17:22] The big MIG show,

[01:17:23] you guys,

[01:17:24] you know,

[01:17:24] you can catch us over on the big MIG,

[01:17:25] uh,

[01:17:26] talk radio show,

[01:17:28] Liberty news radio,

[01:17:28] and of course,

[01:17:29] SQR,

[01:17:31] actually nationally syndicated.

[01:17:32] So you guys,

[01:17:33] we've got lots of different guests coming up on there.

[01:17:34] And of course,

[01:17:36] George Ballantine,

[01:17:37] uh,

[01:17:37] you're going to be,

[01:17:38] are you going to stream from,

[01:17:39] uh,

[01:17:40] the,

[01:17:40] uh,

[01:17:40] Clay Clark event?

[01:17:41] I didn't know if you were,

[01:17:42] I wanted to make sure the audience knew about that for next week.

[01:17:44] It all depends on the internet,

[01:17:46] but I do have,

[01:17:47] um,

[01:17:48] embed code.

[01:17:49] So I'm going to figure that out and we'll probably be live streaming the event.

[01:17:54] I don't,

[01:17:54] I won't be,

[01:17:55] I won't be,

[01:17:56] I doubt I'll be able to,

[01:17:57] to chime in with interviews.

[01:18:00] It all depends on the internet,

[01:18:01] but let's just say I have the embed codes to stream.

[01:18:06] Don't forget.

[01:18:07] Uh,

[01:18:07] you can join us for the global finance forum on every other Friday.

[01:18:10] That's powered by Genesis gold.

[01:18:12] Uh,

[01:18:12] next week on the 14th Monday,

[01:18:14] Sabine Howard,

[01:18:15] the sculptor that just did the memorial,

[01:18:17] uh,

[01:18:17] world war two memorial sculpture.

[01:18:19] That's been all over social media.

[01:18:20] He's joining us.

[01:18:22] Uh,

[01:18:22] Pat Miletus,

[01:18:23] his partner,

[01:18:23] Dr.

[01:18:24] Will Spencer will be covering health and nutrition.

[01:18:26] And of course,

[01:18:27] PR expert,

[01:18:28] Trevor Fitzgibbons on the 16th.

[01:18:31] I'm dragging him on the show.

[01:18:32] Cause Trevor's been doing great work all over the country for people.

[01:18:34] And I just want to make sure people know who he is.

[01:18:37] Okay.

[01:18:37] God country family.

[01:18:38] Big make a show is out.

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[01:18:43] God bless.

[01:18:44] Love you all.

[01:18:44] We'll see you next show.

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[01:20:59] you know, and just shooting inside.

[01:21:02] The wanted man is Joseph Kony, charged with abducting huge numbers of children,

[01:21:07] forcing them to kill and mutilate innocent victims.

[01:21:11] Somebody had to pay the price.

[01:21:12] Sam did that.

[01:21:14] Sam Childers never stopped because the bad things never stop.

[01:21:18] There is only one Sam Childers.

[01:21:20] There is no one else like him in the world.

[01:21:22] And I said to him, I said, would you go now to get Kony in the Congo?

[01:21:27] He says, without a doubt, in a second.

[01:21:29] Now it's the DRC.

[01:21:30] Tell us what's happening to children in the DRC.

[01:21:32] You have ISIS there, you have Islamic State, and you have ADF.

[01:21:37] They say Joseph Kony is still alive.

[01:21:39] He's in the Congo.

[01:21:40] And now God has me in the Congo.

[01:21:42] You know, so hopefully we'll meet up one day.

[01:21:46] But maybe I can lead him to the Lord or send him there, one or the other, huh?