THE BIG MIG SHOW
JUNE 30, 2025
EPISODE 595- 11AM
Sarah Starman is a Senior Food & Agriculture Campaigner with Friends of the Earth, where she works to protect people and the environment from toxic pesticides, advance healthier methods of agriculture like organic farming
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Make America great. Again, welcome back to the Big
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I'm back in the saddle. Appreciate you guys being
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patient. George pulled all the weight,
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did everything he had to do on Friday.
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I had surgery Friday on the shoulders, of course, you can
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see this is a sling sling. Some people might have thought
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it was a gun holster, knowing me, but at the end of the day,
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it is what it is. We're back here doing what we're
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doing. George Ballantine, bro, what's
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up, man? What's up Lance?
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How you feeling? You're good.
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Yeah, I'm pretty good, man. Pretty.
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Good. You sure that you ain't those?
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It ain't the pain meds talking bro.
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No, listen, I haven't taken. All I've taken is Tylenol.
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You know, I'm not a big. I know.
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Hold up. I'm always.
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Concerned about anything, opiates or not, you're.
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Just taking taking a cue for me when I led by example when I had
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my knee replacement a few months ago, so.
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Yeah, I just did, using ice and Tylenol.
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To be honest with you, I'm in less.
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Pain. I'm honored to be to be a good
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example for your lens. Yeah, at the end of the day, you
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know I. I, I if you, if you need to take
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it, just don't hurt yourself. You.
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Know it's funny, I'm in less pain right now than I was prior
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to the surgery. So what?
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I let it go for too long. Of course, you know, me being
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stubborn when it comes to doctors, I don't usually run to
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Come on man. All right, so, you know, we're
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joined. You guys know that often we we
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do this show, it's all about trying to educate you and really
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get the truth out there. The truth is never easy.
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You know, I was just talking to our guests backstage.
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And sometimes when you're telling the truth, you feel
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isolated. One of the big things you've
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heard about Roundup, you've heard about pesticides.
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But sometimes we all minimize maybe what that really means.
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And today we're joined by Sarah Starman, and she's a senior Food
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and Agriculture campaigner with Friends of the Earth, where she
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works to protect people and the environment from toxic
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pesticides, advanced healthier methods of agriculture like
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organic farming, and fight the influence of big AG over our
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food system, which you guys know that is a constant battle.
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They are extremely powerful. Their lobbyists are very
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powerful. She has ABA from the University
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of Pennsylvania. She's a graduate of Green
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Corpse, the field school for organizers.
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She's a skilled campaigner with over a decade of advocacy and
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policy experience. And since 2021, she's been the
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primary operate for her family's 110 acre farm on the Eastern
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Shore of Maryland Patent itself. I can't imagine working full
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time and taking care of a farm. We were discussing that and how
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complicated it is. Let's go ahead and bring her in.
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George. No reason to leave backstage.
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Welcome to the big, big show, Sarah Starman.
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How you doing girl? Thanks for having me.
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I'm glad to be here. We're.
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Glad to. Have thanks for joining us,
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Sarah. So let's let's talk about your
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farm for just a second to give the audience a little
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background. So this was your grandparents
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farm originally. Is that when it started?
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Yes. So it is my grandparents farm.
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It still belongs to them, but they retired about five years
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ago and someone in the family needed to take over.
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We wanted it to stay in the family, and I've always been
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really passionate about conservation and about healthy
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food, so I took over when they retired.
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And it's on the Eastern Shore of Maryland in the Chesapeake Bay
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region. We have 110 acres, including
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some wildlife habitat that's mostly used for hunting and
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conservation, and hazelnut and chestnut orchard.
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Wow, Yeah, it's a lot of work. I can't imagine.
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I I didn't grow up in a farm. I grew up in New York and I grew
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up in Fordham Rd. in the Bronx and then White Plains later,
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although there were, there were lots of farms we'd visit.
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My family would go out and buy, you know, fruit and vegetables
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from different farms around New York.
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It was always great to go to those locations and buy fresh
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produce. Of course, it wasn't as big a
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struggle back then. I'm not sure that Big AG was as
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ruthless as when I was a child as they are now, you know, but
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that's kind of a, you know, this, this is such a monster
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fight. I guess I have to ask you, what
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kind of got you started in that direction?
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Was it because if you grew up around the farm and you were
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concerned early on or, or, or was it school?
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I mean, what kind of triggered you?
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Because we all have that, at least I do.
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You know, we all have this epiphany moment at some point.
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I was never really that political and I basically stayed
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on the sidelines most of the time.
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But as I began to really understand what was really going
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on, I got to the point where I just couldn't tolerate it any
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longer. I thought that this isn't really
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what I think should be going on. So how did you kind of head down
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this path? Yeah, that's a great question.
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I think the thing that really kind of triggered me
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specifically on getting chemicals out of our food, air
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and water and on the issue of toxic pesticides was when I
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actually moved to the farm four years ago, I just saw how much
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exposure there is in rural areas.
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And I mean, something that really motivated me on the
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personal level is that my grandfather was diagnosed with
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Parkinson's a number of years ago, and he actually passed away
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earlier this year. And I know that he used a highly
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hazardous herbicide called Paraquat on the farm when he
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managed it. I found it in the barns.
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I know that he used it during his lifetime and that's actually
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a pesticide that is linked to Parkinson's disease.
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And it's so toxic that it's banned in over 70 other
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countries around the world, but it's not banned in the US.
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It's still available commercially and we use hundreds
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of thousands of pounds of it. And so, you know, this really
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raised some questions for me living in this rural area,
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living on my grandparents farm, seeing my grandfather struggle
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with Parkinson's after using a pesticide linked to Parkinson's,
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that just made me start asking questions.
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Why are pesticides that are banned in other countries
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allowed here? Why do people have to be exposed
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to these chemicals at all in the US?
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Would my grandfather still have gotten this chronic disease if
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he hadn't been exposed to paraquat?
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And that's not, you know, a story that's unique to me.
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I think that's what's motivating a lot of people right now to
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fight for a healthier food system and to fight against
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chemical exposure. Both in rural America and across
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the country, people are losing more and more loved ones to
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cancers, to neurological disorders.
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Many of these chronic health conditions are on the rise, and
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they're often linked to toxic exposure in our food, air,
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water, or environment. So that's something that I think
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really got me into this particular field of trying to
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get toxics out of our food system.
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You know, Lance, it's funny because, you know, why does the
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United States allow these these chemicals on our food?
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Same thing with the, you know, we do.
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We're going through the same thing with dyes, all these crazy
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chemicals that are allowed in our foods, our cereals that
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they're banned in other countries.
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Hopefully they can get rid of this crap because it's getting
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ridiculous because they say so many, so many kids, people are
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getting sick because of all these chemicals in the food.
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It's we hear it non-stop. And hopefully Kennedy started.
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Yeah, hopefully Kennedy gets on top of this and.
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Well, the tough part is, is that they are so sophisticated about
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the operation and they've, they're so well funded.
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And I say they because it, it's interesting when you look at all
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of it, what I think's a struggle, what I think is always
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interesting. We were talking about this
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backstage before Sarah came on, is that, you know, these or
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these, you know, the, the, the, the food agricultural business
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is so well funded and their lobbyists are so powerful.
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And it's, it's interesting if you travel a lot and if you
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start comparing labels of foods and for say, for example, you
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take a look at a ketchup bottle in another country and it may be
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very simple that it's sugar, vinegar, tomatoes, you know,
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salt seasonings. And then you look at the ketchup
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bottle here and it's got 50 different things in it.
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About 80% of them, you have no idea what the hell they are
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unless you're an expert like Sarah.
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And you ask yourself, why is that?
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Why is it that our food is so loaded with so many different
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things when it just could be much simpler?
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And I understand they want to extend the shelf life, but a lot
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of it goes beyond shelf life extension.
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And you ask yourself, OK, why did they need that?
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And my question always comes down to, it's always one of
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these things that I think to myself, what's the real plan
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behind the scenes? Because I know probably the
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difficulty and we were, we were discussing this is how knowing
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the truth somewhat alienates you and you end up kind of, and what
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happens to George and I, there's things that we know about, even
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things that we've been told that maybe we can't discuss because
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they were told in confidence to us about something going on.
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Maybe when it gets exposed later where we can bring it up then
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because we get lots of information from different
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people within the government and agencies around it.
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But it's interesting that you, the, the more you know, the more
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difficult it becomes. And then you ask yourself, well,
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why the hell would it be like that?
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We were discussing and for the audience, you know, if you guys
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go back and look at pictures of the beaches, 1950s, early 60's,
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the people looked a lot different.
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They looked a lot healthier. There wasn't this obesity issue.
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I don't think the, the prevalence of, you know, whether
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it was Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer, they, they, they were
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less prevalent. We were a healthier society, but
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yet supposedly we've improved things, you know, and I guess
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you know, for you, your journey, you, you know, you, you're part
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of the green corpse training and you're doing national campaigns
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at Friends of the Earth. You know, as you're doing that
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stuff, do you feel like the struggle is real?
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You know, you're fighting constantly.
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Like son of a bitch. This should just be so easy.
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And all I do is feel like a salmon swimming upstream.
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Really great question. I think the part that is easy is
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that this is an extremely unifying issue.
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And when we're talking about everyday Americans, I work with
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people, you know, from all, from all walks of life, all across
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the country, all different political affiliations, all
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different identities. And everyone wants to be
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healthy. Everyone wants their loved ones
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to be healthy. And no one is excited about
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having toxic chemicals in their food.
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No one wants toxic chemicals in their food.
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That's extremely unifying. And so that part is easy.
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It's not hard to connect with other everyday people.
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The difficult part, the part that feels most like swimming
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upstream, which you sort of alluded to, is fighting the
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chemical industry and Big AG and these other industries that have
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so much influence over our political system and have
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corrupted our political and regulatory processes.
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I mean, the pesticide industry, the chemical industry spends $77
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million a year on lobbying at the federal level.
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That puts them as one of the highest industry spenders in DC,
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and they spend millions of dollars on advertising, and they
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do all sorts of things at the state level as well.
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So the industry's fighting tooth and nail to keep their toxic
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products on the market and to keep politicians in their
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pocket, even though there's a lot of unification among
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everyday Americans across the political spectrum around
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wanting healthier food and wanting chemicals out of our
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food. Yeah, it's, you know, and, and,
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and people, I think a lot of times there's an assumption
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that, you know, of course these industries want the best for us
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and I, I don't agree with that. I think what they want is the
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best profit. It's not about necessarily
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creating healthier food. You know, and there's, and of
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course there's lots of different belief systems out there.
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You know, some people think it's because of the, you know, going
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from what would have been predominantly A carnivore diet,
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of course, an agricultural diet with lots of wheat.
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But it's interesting that when you eat wheat, say you're in
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Italy as an example, and you eat a weed or flower product, you
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don't have the same reaction. Not a lot of people claim it's
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gluten, but we, you know, the people that are in the know,
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know it's glycophate, right? That, that that's probably
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what's really causing the reaction.
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I have some of that, but when I'm overseas, I can eat as much
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pasta and weed or anything I want.
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I also don't feel bloated afterwards.
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You don't have this general sensation of bloating.
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And I think people don't realize that the core issues and what
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we're having here is it's all about for profit.
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It's not about for help. It's not about for doing the
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better thing for you or your children.
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And I and, and a lot of people are very enthusiastic about RFK,
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you know, Junior and as are we, we, we supported him 100%.
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But I feel like he's got such a monster to go up against.
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And I'm just not sure that this administration is, is, do you
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know, we all wanted accountability and consequences
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and we were all hoping that things would move more quickly
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than they are. Because it's always interesting
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that four years goes by much more, much faster than anybody
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ever assumes. What do you think about the, the
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workload that RFK is taking on? Because, you know, I, I trust
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him and I know he wants to do the right thing, but I'm
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wondering if he's going to be able to do it in the time he's
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got. That's a great question.
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And to be honest, I am concerned because I think, you know, the
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spirit of where Kennedy's coming from, which is we need real
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reform on these issues and to make people healthy again.
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That, you know, I think is great.
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But he's one person. And then we have the entire
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administration and Congress who are, I think, mostly operating
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against him. And we're really seeing that
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fight play out right now, especially in terms of
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chemicals. So on the one hand, we have
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Kennedy and the Maha Commission releasing their report saying,
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hey, you know, toxic pesticide exposure impacts Children's
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Health. Children are particularly
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vulnerable from conception through puberty to the impacts
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of pesticides, and they're being exposed to dozens of these
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chemicals in their food. And that's leading to chronic
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health issues. And that is in part because of
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the influence of the pesticide industry, and we need to address
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that. So that's in, you know, the
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Mohawk Commission report. But then on the other hand, you
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know, we have Lee Zeldin, who's the chief administrator of the
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EPA right now, who's appointing chemical industry lobbyists to
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oversee chemical safety. And so those are, you know, two
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hands working at total cross purposes within the
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administration. And then we have Congress, who
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is also not acting in a way that would reduce our exposures to
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chemicals. For example, you know, in their
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budget reconciliation bill they're trying to pass right
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now, there's a $30 billion increase for chemical intensive
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commodity crop subsidies, which will lock, you know, large
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industrial commodity farmers into another decade of chemical
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production and is basically a handout direct to the chemical
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industry. It'll pass directly through
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large industrial farms straight to like major pesticide
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producers. So we're seeing really the
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administration not kind of sure how to make its goal, like how
00:18:14
to advance these goals. Yeah, it's, it's definitely a
00:18:18
battle, you know, and, and, and that's, and that's the problem,
00:18:23
right? Because the lobbyists have
00:18:24
become so incredibly powerful. And me personally, you know,
00:18:30
again, I'm not ever going to be president of the United States,
00:18:32
but if I was, I'd probably make lobbying illegal, at least
00:18:36
during my time. I'm sure I couldn't get it
00:18:37
passed through Congress, but I could have passed an executive
00:18:39
order at least for my time period and say, yeah, lobbying
00:18:42
is illegal. If you get caught lobbying, you
00:18:44
get a 5 to 10 year instant sentence.
00:18:46
Because those lobbyists, you know what they do?
00:18:49
The manipulation of our administration.
00:18:51
Let's face it, Congress, for the most part on both sides of the
00:18:54
aisle, I'd be surprised if 10 or 15% of them were honest men and
00:18:58
women. I think if we really dug into
00:19:00
their finances and into their personal communication devices
00:19:04
and maybe drug tested them, I'd be surprised if many of them
00:19:08
passed. Maybe some of them would, but I
00:19:09
think it'd be a very small number.
00:19:11
I'd rather go up to their bank accounts.
00:19:13
Yeah, no kidding. No kidding.
00:19:15
I agree with that. Crypto, or actually even
00:19:17
probably their crypto wallets, you know?
00:19:20
Yeah, you never know what's going on nowadays.
00:19:22
Well, of course, they're always looking for a new, easier way to
00:19:24
get access to the foundations, the NGOs, the Super PACs.
00:19:29
Let's talk about this is a term I was not familiar with.
00:19:32
You know, I have no background in farming clearly.
00:19:36
And, and, but I do know a little bit, you know, we, we've had
00:19:38
some guests on talking about soil remediation and how we've
00:19:41
ruined the soil and how that's one of the first things that
00:19:44
really needs to be fixed. But it's difficult with the
00:19:46
pesticides that are in the soil. We'll talk about, let's talk
00:19:48
about no till. You wrote a report called
00:19:50
Rethinking No Till and you go into some details about how 93%
00:19:55
of no till acres use herbicides. So maybe kind of explain to the
00:19:59
audience what no till is and kind of give the background and
00:20:01
take us through that a little bit so maybe they can further
00:20:03
understand that term. So no till, just to define it.
00:20:08
First and foremost, it's a farming practice where you
00:20:12
minimize physical disturbance of the soil by not tilling or
00:20:15
plowing. In some cases it can lead to
00:20:18
positive outcomes like reduced erosion and other positive
00:20:23
outcomes. But the majority of no tail
00:20:26
farming in our country right now is implemented in large scale
00:20:29
chemical intensive systems and we wanted to write a report
00:20:33
about that to expose how that is a project of the chemical
00:20:38
industry and how large chemical companies are actually
00:20:41
greenwashing the term regenerative agriculture at
00:20:44
present. So the way that's happened is
00:20:47
that no till, which again is a farming practice, it can be
00:20:50
implemented in truly regenerative systems or not, has
00:20:54
been lifted up as a key pillar or a key practice of
00:20:57
regenerative agriculture. But what we found in our report
00:21:01
is that the chemical industry has actually been deeply
00:21:04
intertwined with that and they have been pushing chemical
00:21:06
intensive no till since the 1970s.
00:21:10
Imperial Chemical Industries and Chevron have both been promoting
00:21:14
no till since for the past 50 years.
00:21:17
And So what we looked at was corn and soy production in the
00:21:20
US and how much of that production is no till since corn
00:21:23
and soy are leading crops. And we found that about 107
00:21:28
million acres of corn and soy are in no till production, no
00:21:31
till or minimum till production. And 93% of those acres at least
00:21:37
are heavily dependent on chemical herbicides like
00:21:40
glyphosate and atrazine that damage soil health, that harm
00:21:45
are harmful to human health, and that have other devastating
00:21:48
impacts on both the environment and people.
00:21:51
And So what we wanted to do was not to blame farmers for this,
00:21:55
but to lift up how the chemical industry has been involved and
00:21:58
how they've been trying to push chemical intensive no till as
00:22:03
the leading form of regenerative agriculture.
00:22:05
When we know that truly regenerative agriculture will
00:22:08
actually be done with very limited chemicals, will reduce
00:22:12
the impact of chemicals on people and the environment.
00:22:17
Yeah, it's the the narrative, and I'm not saying they're the
00:22:21
original. There's no doubt that Big AG has
00:22:24
done an amazing job when it comes to controlling narratives,
00:22:27
right? Even corn as an example, it's
00:22:31
been so modified, the pesticides and of course, it seems like
00:22:37
corn sugar syrup has been just stuck into every possible thing
00:22:42
you can imagine in any food that's on the shelves.
00:22:45
You start looking at the labels and you're asking yourself,
00:22:47
well, why the hell is that even in here?
00:22:50
And I'm, I'm always concerned, what do you think about the
00:22:54
control of the narrative? They seem do, do you have any
00:22:57
idea? Because I don't know the exact
00:22:58
numbers, every idea what big AG puts into their marketing
00:23:01
campaigns, let alone I know they're always researching ways
00:23:04
to make more money. You know what doesn't matter
00:23:08
whether it's using an industrial waste product like like like
00:23:13
fluoride as an example. A lot of people hear that word
00:23:16
fluoride and they did that. And the reason I bring that up
00:23:18
is because what a incredible marketing campaign to take a
00:23:21
waste product and make it seem like it was so beneficial.
00:23:25
What do you think their marketing budget is?
00:23:26
Do you think they put in 50% of their dollars, dollar to the
00:23:29
bottom line or more? That's a great question.
00:23:32
I don't have an exact figure, but all I can say is that it's a
00:23:36
lot. I mean, since glyphosate has
00:23:38
been a larger part of the national conversation recently
00:23:41
and glyphosate, as I think you both know and many of your
00:23:44
listeners probably know, it's the most widely used chemical in
00:23:47
the US. We use millions, hundreds of
00:23:49
millions of pounds every single year.
00:23:52
It's also known as Roundup. And it is linked to a wide
00:23:55
variety of health issues from endocrine disruption to
00:23:58
disruption of the gut microbiome.
00:23:59
Of course, cancers like non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which led
00:24:03
to, you know, over 150 lawsuits towards Bayer,
00:24:07
Monsanto, the manufacturer, glyphosate alone, which has
00:24:12
become a large part of the national conversation.
00:24:14
They've been running the chemical industry, which has
00:24:17
alliance called the Modern AG Alliance.
00:24:19
It's a kind of coalition of industry groups and actors.
00:24:22
They have been putting full page ads in major newspapers every
00:24:27
single day for almost a year, trying to stop, you know, people
00:24:32
from feeling negatively about glyphosate and trying to stop
00:24:34
glyphosate from being regulated and stop government officials
00:24:38
from protecting us from glyphosate.
00:24:40
So that alone is an major advertising expense.
00:24:44
And that doesn't cover TV ads, all the other advertising they
00:24:47
do. And again, that doesn't cover
00:24:49
everything they spend on lobbying.
00:24:50
Like I said, they spend $77 million a year, the chemical
00:24:54
industry on lobbying in DC, which puts them among the top
00:24:57
spenders on political lobbying. So we're seeing a huge push
00:25:00
right now from the chemical industry to keep their products
00:25:03
on the market even as public sentiment grows against them.
00:25:07
Another example of how the chemical industry is spending
00:25:09
money on kind of marketing and lobbying and trying to shape the
00:25:13
world to their desires is they've been trying to pass
00:25:16
these pesticide immunity bills, which I'm not sure if we're
00:25:19
going to bring. Them up it's nice, you know, we
00:25:21
always talk about and George. Wait, I have a question before
00:25:24
you go off. So you were talking about
00:25:26
Roundup, right? Yes, I probably shouldn't have
00:25:28
used the last of my roundup outside.
00:25:30
So what do you recommend to in replacement of roundup?
00:25:34
It's not using roundup. Yes, OK, I get asked this all
00:25:38
the time and especially as a farmer, people are how do you
00:25:41
control weeds on your farm, in your yard?
00:25:44
So I have two recommendations. The 1st is if you really want to
00:25:49
use a chemical or a spray still, I recommend looking for
00:25:52
something that's OMRI certified. OMRI certified, so inorganic
00:25:59
agriculture, there are more than 900 pesticides and that are
00:26:03
prohibited, and OM recertified is an organic adjacent
00:26:08
certification for home and garden pesticides.
00:26:11
So if you find something with the seal that says OMRI, OM
00:26:14
recertified, it's almost definitely better for your
00:26:17
health and environment. It's had to pass much stricter
00:26:19
standards of review to get that certification.
00:26:22
The ingredients are on the National Organic list of
00:26:25
prohibited ingredients, so that's one thing.
00:26:28
The second thing is, of course, I always recommend taking a step
00:26:30
back and thinking about changing your approach to weed management
00:26:34
and trying mechanical or cultural practices.
00:26:38
Using occultation, using a tarp, using mulch, wood chips.
00:26:41
I use a weed whacker a lot, a hedge trimmer to planting native
00:26:45
species that out compete weeds, regular mowing.
00:26:48
There's all sorts of different things you can do to try to
00:26:51
create a system that doesn't require a chemical spray.
00:26:56
You know what about a? Lot of work, right?
00:26:58
There a lot of weeks. What about?
00:27:00
You're telling me I know. What about the some people I
00:27:04
think suggested salt with some dishwashing soap?
00:27:07
And water. Vinegar too.
00:27:09
Vinegar. What do you think about those
00:27:10
practices? Yes.
00:27:11
No. I don't know anything about the
00:27:14
salt and dish soap, and I'm going to be honest, I am
00:27:16
skeptical off the bat. As far as vinegar, there is, you
00:27:20
know, you can buy agricultural vinegar, which is a extra strong
00:27:23
vinegar. I don't personally use it.
00:27:26
I don't know that much about it, but some people like it.
00:27:31
Got you. Well, everybody's always.
00:27:32
Looking I noticed dish soap they they used that back in the day
00:27:34
for the tobacco farms. They put it around like a ring
00:27:36
around it to keep those whatever worms on it.
00:27:39
It was in a movie too. I forget the name of the movie,
00:27:41
but that I know it worked for that.
00:27:43
But me, I was talking more like damn weeds.
00:27:47
You know the beds and stuff. Not so much the grass.
00:27:50
Grass is controllable. That's easy.
00:27:53
And just really quickly jump in with some final thoughts about,
00:27:57
you know, home and garden Roundup.
00:27:59
We actually friends with the earth.
00:28:01
One of my colleagues and I, we wrote a report earlier this year
00:28:04
on like the Roundup that is used for lawn and garden, like the
00:28:07
type you might have used on your yard, George.
00:28:09
And one thing I want to highlight that's really
00:28:12
disturbing is it used to be glyphosate based.
00:28:14
And glyphosate, as we know, you know, is the most widely used
00:28:16
pesticide in the US. It's linked to cancer.
00:28:19
And then recently, starting last year, they began replacing that
00:28:23
with a new formula that now has four different ingredients.
00:28:26
So most of the Roundup you're buying at the store now no
00:28:29
longer has glyphosate, and it's a mix of dicoat, dipromide and a
00:28:33
bunch of other ingredients. And the new formula is actually
00:28:36
46 times more chronically toxic to human health.
00:28:40
And so they've basically replaced their old formula,
00:28:43
which was already toxic, with a new formula that's more toxic.
00:28:47
They've. Improved it.
00:28:49
They've improved it to make us sicker.
00:28:50
That's good. Yes.
00:28:52
And there's no new label. There's no, it looks almost
00:28:55
identical. So you might be a consumer who's
00:28:58
been using Roundup for 20 years and now you're going to the
00:29:00
store, you think you're buying the same product and instead
00:29:03
you're buying something much more toxic.
00:29:05
And what I want to highlight about this is just, I feel like
00:29:08
that shows how much of a bad actor the chemical industry is,
00:29:12
the types of things that they're willing to do and the way that
00:29:15
they are willing to sacrifice human health and the environment
00:29:19
for profit to continue keeping their products on the market.
00:29:23
And also just I think, you know, consumers I think should be
00:29:26
educated and be wary about these products.
00:29:28
And really, you know, you should be thinking like, do you want
00:29:31
your kids to be playing in a yard, yard that's been sprayed
00:29:34
with this now new, more toxic roundup?
00:29:35
Do you want your dogs, your pets to be playing in that yard?
00:29:38
Do you want to be exposing yourself as you're spraying?
00:29:40
So I think consumers should take whatever protect whatever steps
00:29:44
they can to protect themselves, whether that's extra protective
00:29:47
gear or keeping kids and dogs off the lawn or switching to
00:29:50
you. It seems like no matter what you
00:29:53
do, if your house or or what farmers are using your seems
00:29:57
like we're screwed right now, huh I.
00:30:00
Don't know. What I think is incredibly
00:30:02
dangerous is now they want absolute immunity.
00:30:04
Basically they want a complete pass or any liability.
00:30:10
That's what they're trying to get done in Washington, DC.
00:30:12
They're trying to get it so they can have absolutely no
00:30:15
liability. To.
00:30:16
Farmers, produce or any diseases it causes.
00:30:19
We'll talk about that when we come back.
00:30:20
Of course, that music means we're going to take a short
00:30:22
break. We'll be back here with George
00:30:23
Ballantine, myself, Lance Miliacio and Sarah Starman.
00:30:27
We'll be talking about this past they're trying to get.
00:30:29
As usual, they're up to shenanigans.
00:30:32
You guys know we're just going to tell you what they're up to.
00:30:34
Maybe you can get involved. Call your congressional members
00:30:36
and tell them enough of this bullshit.
00:30:38
We need to put a stop to it. We'll be right back.
00:30:40
The big Mink show. We'll be right back.
00:30:41
Don't go anywhere. George will come and look for
00:30:43
you. I'm.
00:30:44
Going to send Tara raft them. All right, we'll be right back.
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But do it later because Sarah has a lot of information she
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wants to tell you guys. I don't even know where we left
00:35:59
off. Well as I know is Well as I know
00:36:02
is I can't use roundup anymore. I got a lot of weeds and I need
00:36:04
to get a homestead and a wifey to do it for me.
00:36:07
All I know with high speed Internet.
00:36:10
You got to look for a solution for sure.
00:36:12
So or screw. I want to talk about this for a
00:36:16
minute because this isn't the number.
00:36:18
We don't hear this very often. You quantified the emissions
00:36:21
from no till corn and soy. That's equivalent to 11
00:36:26
cars, which is a lot. Why does it seem like
00:36:31
agriculture when we have climate conversations that seems to
00:36:35
always be excluded? Do you feel like that's an
00:36:37
intentional, controlled narrative that they don't want
00:36:40
to include it for fear that all of a sudden they'll get some
00:36:42
momentum going in the opposite direction of what they're trying
00:36:45
to accomplish? I think that big AG for sure
00:36:50
does not want to and big chemical, you know, sort of hand
00:36:53
in hand don't want to tackle the issue of how agricultural
00:36:56
chemicals in particular are contributing deeply to
00:37:00
greenhouse gas emissions and to climate change in the no till
00:37:03
report. And I want to be clear, this
00:37:04
isn't specific to no till. You could probably do a similar
00:37:07
calculation for any conventional corn and soy production.
00:37:11
But we looked just at the emissions related to the
00:37:14
production of the synthetic nitrogen fertilizer used and
00:37:17
just the synthetic herbicides used in no till corn and soy.
00:37:21
And as Lance said, we found that it was equivalent to around
00:37:24
11 cars on the road for a year, which ironically is
00:37:28
about the number of cars in the top nine no till states in the
00:37:31
country. So we're looking at a huge
00:37:33
amount of emissions and that's because these fertilizers and
00:37:36
pesticides are derived from fossil fuels.
00:37:39
They're manufactured in fossil fuel intensive processes.
00:37:43
And So what we're really looking at here is, is fossil fuel
00:37:46
farming. When we look at conventional
00:37:48
farming, that depends heavily on these chemicals.
00:37:50
It is a form of fossil fuel farming that is deeply damaging
00:37:53
to the climate, and I think that is another conversation that we
00:37:57
need to have about how the chemical industry and the fossil
00:37:59
fuel industry are using agriculture as a way to continue
00:38:02
to prop up their profits at the expense of not just our health
00:38:06
but also the environment and the climate.
00:38:08
Well, you'd have to think that if the EPA would allow Bayer to
00:38:12
make a product that's 45 times more toxic than the original, I
00:38:17
mean, usually you would think it would go in the opposite
00:38:18
direction. You know, my take is probably
00:38:21
runs in line with Elon Musk. And I'm sure George feels the
00:38:24
same way. I you know, it, it, it, it, we
00:38:28
would have probably me laid our government, you know, me laid.
00:38:30
If you remember what he went through, he's like way go fue go
00:38:34
fue go. He was just burning down all the
00:38:36
different agencies. I've always thought that the EP
00:38:39
and the FDA were just a bunch of bullshit.
00:38:42
I never feel like they really did anything that was
00:38:43
beneficial. Maybe I'm wrong.
00:38:45
What are your thoughts on that? Because you know, when we
00:38:48
started out and they brought in Doge, I was hopeful that we were
00:38:51
going to just start canceling these operations, not just
00:38:54
firing a handful of people. I'm not happy about the FBI in
00:38:57
its current form. I think that most of these
00:39:00
organizations have their charter and what we're told they're
00:39:03
doing isn't even close to it. I think most of them are money
00:39:06
laundering operations in one way or another.
00:39:09
And at at a minimum, they're ineffective as government
00:39:11
agencies. I've never thought the EPA, the
00:39:14
FDA were worth a shit. A lot of their policies actually
00:39:17
damaged US versus what they were supposed to do, which was
00:39:19
protect us. What are your thoughts on that,
00:39:21
Sarah? We're in such a, if I could
00:39:25
flag, you know, sort of one thing as the most important
00:39:28
about what's happening right now on pesticides.
00:39:30
I think we're in a really unique political moment where we're
00:39:33
seeing kind of momentum across the political spectrum asking
00:39:37
for a healthier food system, healthier environment, getting
00:39:39
chemicals out of our food. What I think is so important to
00:39:44
recognize is that, in my opinion, that depends on kind of
00:39:47
good government policies that actually make that happen, that
00:39:50
rein in the power of corporations and that protect us
00:39:53
from chemicals. The EPA has not provided that
00:39:57
sort of regulation or those sort of policies for many decades.
00:40:02
There was an expose a few years ago where an EPA toxicologist
00:40:06
said it is the unwritten rule that to get a promotion, all
00:40:10
pesticides must pass. And like I said, right now there
00:40:14
are a lot of chemical industry lobbyists working at the EPA.
00:40:17
So what we're seeing is the EPA right now is putting pesticide.
00:40:22
They basically serve the function of just, you know,
00:40:24
permitting every pesticide, registering every pesticide,
00:40:27
just passing chemicals through and sort of letting the
00:40:30
corporations do whatever they want instead of actually
00:40:33
protecting people. So the EPA has utterly failed to
00:40:37
protect people and particularly children from toxic exposure to
00:40:40
pesticides and particularly cumulative exposure.
00:40:44
But I do think that we should. I think we should reform the EPA
00:40:49
and make it serve the people instead of the pesticide
00:40:51
industry, because I do think we depend on some regulations in
00:40:55
order to protect us from pesticides and to kind of
00:40:58
maintain the Commons, our air, our water, our soil, and protect
00:41:02
our health. You know, I think it's always
00:41:04
tricky because I always think that, you know, all these
00:41:09
agencies are so fully corrupted. It's not only from, it's not
00:41:13
only from the top down. There's just so many individuals
00:41:16
within there that have been compromised in one way or
00:41:18
another. And when you look at the
00:41:20
lobbyists or you look at the different industries, they're so
00:41:22
good at manipulating the people that are in there.
00:41:24
And they're also so very good at placing their own, you know,
00:41:29
their own staff, ex staff members or their own, you know,
00:41:33
supporters within these agencies.
00:41:37
We've seen, you know, just even agencies like the CIA, what an
00:41:41
amazing job they've done in infiltrating social media
00:41:43
companies. So many ex ex CIA work, for
00:41:48
example, inside of Facebook and we saw so much of the narratives
00:41:51
are controlled. It's it's always interesting to
00:41:53
me. But you know you you mentioned a
00:41:55
little earlier about the 45 more toxic version of bear.
00:41:58
That alone to me is a failure by the EPAA massive failure.
00:42:02
And then you go into something that I've never heard of these
00:42:06
silent killers. They're and I'm I'm not sure I'm
00:42:08
going to get this pronounced right, but I'm going to try neon
00:42:10
a cotonoids is. That right?
00:42:15
Nicotine needs. OK, All right.
00:42:16
I definitely, I definitely screwed that one up.
00:42:19
Wait, wait, wait. How do you call?
00:42:21
The you can call the neonics for short.
00:42:24
Neonics. How do you say the word though?
00:42:26
The whole word. Neonicotinoids.
00:42:29
Neonicotinoids. Yeah, I I fucked that all up.
00:42:32
Well, let's let's talk about those because I've never heard
00:42:35
of these before. Here's another thing we've got
00:42:37
to be worried about, probably another thing that Epas sliding
00:42:40
through and sliding into US, you know, see, that's what I mean.
00:42:43
If the EPA can't do their fucking job, then they ought to
00:42:46
just be closed down. If they can't do the job and of
00:42:49
what they're supposed to do, then why don't we maybe, you
00:42:52
know, get rid of that agency and then put more pressure on the
00:42:55
FDA to maybe cover this area and do a better job.
00:42:58
Not that I'm saying the FDA is doing a good job either.
00:43:00
I just feel like, you know, bloated government, just we
00:43:04
continue to spend these inordinate amounts of money and
00:43:06
get nothing for the money. Much of it gets filtered out and
00:43:10
and stolen in my opinion. But let's talk about these for a
00:43:14
minute because I don't think the majority of our audience, I know
00:43:16
I've never heard of these before.
00:43:17
Let's talk about what these are and let's talk about giving
00:43:20
putting the warning on how dangerous they are.
00:43:23
So neonicotinoids are a class of insecticide.
00:43:27
They are meant to kill insects. They're one of, I think they're
00:43:30
the most widely used insecticide in US agriculture.
00:43:33
And the most common use of neonicotinoids is actually as
00:43:36
seed coatings. So they come pre coated on corn,
00:43:40
soy and other seeds. And in many industries,
00:43:44
particularly in corn, it is difficult to get seeds that are
00:43:47
not coated with neonicotinoids because of the monopoly that the
00:43:51
pesticide industry holds over seeds.
00:43:53
And they also, you know, want to sell their pesticides.
00:43:55
So they sell these pre coated seeds.
00:43:57
And it's difficult to even get seeds in many areas that aren't
00:44:00
coated with them. What's so disturbing about them
00:44:03
is that they're very persistent in the environment and they kill
00:44:05
beneficial insects like bees and essential pollinators who, you
00:44:09
know, contribute $34 billion to the US economy every year.
00:44:13
They're not just killing quote, UN quote, bad insects.
00:44:16
They're killing good insects like bees as well.
00:44:18
And studies have shown that on average, they actually have very
00:44:22
little benefits to yield or to economics for farmers anyway.
00:44:26
So you're forced to buy these neonicotinoid coated seeds.
00:44:30
You can't get seeds that aren't coated.
00:44:32
These seeds, on average, aren't providing you with much of A
00:44:35
benefit. And then they're killing
00:44:36
beneficial pollinators that actually, you know, are
00:44:39
essential for the resilience of farm systems.
00:44:42
And finally, neonicotinoids have recently been linked to more and
00:44:46
more health impacts, including birth defects and including
00:44:50
nervous system impacts and endocrine disruption, which is
00:44:53
really disturbing if these are really being, you know, the most
00:44:55
widely used insecticide that's being used across millions of
00:44:59
acres of farmland. And the reason, one reason this
00:45:02
is happening is because the EPA has an exemption.
00:45:06
They don't require seed coatings to go through the same review
00:45:10
process as other pesticide uses. It's called the treated article
00:45:14
exemption. And that is a really simple fix.
00:45:16
That is something that either Congress or the EPA could easily
00:45:20
reform and say, hey, these seed coatings actually need to go
00:45:23
through the full safety review process.
00:45:25
You can't just slap whatever you want on a seed and then say it
00:45:28
doesn't need to be studied the same way.
00:45:30
So it's a problem that we really need to address, both for
00:45:32
pollinators and for human health, and another example of
00:45:36
how there's an easy solution right in hand that our
00:45:38
government could take if they weren't catering to the
00:45:41
pesticide industry over people's health.
00:45:45
You know, the fact that you have little to no choice is
00:45:47
frightening enough. And then for most people, you,
00:45:49
you, you say it so casually because you're very familiar
00:45:52
with it. But for the audience I got, I
00:45:54
got to tell you that without the pollinators, we're basically
00:45:57
fucking dead. I don't think, I don't think the
00:46:00
when you hear that it's actually killing pollinators, that alone
00:46:03
should be enough for Congress to immediately just say, Nope,
00:46:05
sorry, we got to put a dead stop to that.
00:46:07
Until you figure that part out, you can't do it anymore.
00:46:10
But that's the interesting part, because, you know, I, I don't
00:46:13
know if people really recognize how important those pollinators
00:46:16
are because without that, we wouldn't have any food supply.
00:46:19
Food supply would be basically gone and we would die.
00:46:21
There wouldn't be enough food on the earth you guys can look
00:46:24
into. Of course you guys can say, oh,
00:46:26
well, we'll eat beef. Well, of course, you have to
00:46:27
have pollinators for everything to grow the, the beef eats and
00:46:31
and and and and and so on and so on.
00:46:34
So if you think about something that that that's that dangerous
00:46:37
and yet Congress is too busy arguing.
00:46:39
You know, George, you and I have talked so many times about it,
00:46:42
how ineffective they were raving about how, which we we don't buy
00:46:46
into. Let me let me point that out on
00:46:47
this show. I don't want buy into Republican
00:46:51
Democrat. I think that's all just a bunch
00:46:53
of trash. But you know, they raved US,
00:46:56
George. Oh, we've got control of the
00:46:57
House. We've got control of the Senate
00:46:59
and yet, you know, they are, this may be the most ineffective
00:47:02
Congress in history. I don't think they've
00:47:04
effectively passed much of anything.
00:47:07
They sure aren't, you know, supporting the administration
00:47:10
and they're using the judiciary this time to do their dirty
00:47:13
work. You know, George, I mean, I
00:47:15
don't, I don't see this working any better.
00:47:16
Of course, that's why they can't even focus on something as
00:47:19
simple as this. It's easy enough to look that if
00:47:21
something's killing pollinators, like, yes, sorry, you guys were
00:47:24
dead stopping that. Don't coat the seeds anymore.
00:47:25
That's done. Well, well, if you're expecting
00:47:29
Congress to get anything done, we're going to be forget about
00:47:32
it because look at how they struggle with this.
00:47:34
Bill, blue boy, we'll just hold our breath.
00:47:36
Yeah, you have to do it on your own.
00:47:38
You can't. You can't rely on government.
00:47:41
Government does what do they do? Well for the people, pretty much
00:47:44
nothing. Nothing.
00:47:47
So you get it done. But I want to say something
00:47:49
because we had a limit Grieving in a chat.
00:47:50
She goes, I, she goes. I also have a poll pollinator
00:47:54
plant, so she gets lots of butterflies, bees and Humber
00:47:56
birds. So I said I'm going to have to
00:47:58
borrow limit where you bring it to my yard, see if that works.
00:48:01
I don't. Know well you can plant lots of
00:48:03
flowers that support pollinators.
00:48:05
You know there's lots of seed mixes you can use in that way.
00:48:09
You're going to say something. So I was just going to say, I
00:48:13
think one of the things that's very frustrating about the
00:48:15
current Congress is a lot of them campaigned or kind of
00:48:19
catered to the Make America Healthy Again crowd or to any
00:48:23
voters across the political spectrum who cared about food
00:48:25
and health by talking about the issues.
00:48:28
And this is something that I think is really important.
00:48:30
They campaigned on it because it was popular.
00:48:33
But now what we're seeing is kind of an about face and a
00:48:36
failure to deliver. I don't know if you all saw, but
00:48:39
there was, you know, a letter from 79 members of Congress,
00:48:43
they happen to be all Republican, who basically said
00:48:47
they sent a letter to the Maha Commission saying don't take any
00:48:51
action on pesticides. There's nothing wrong with these
00:48:54
products. You know, there's nothing that's
00:48:56
not safe about them. And you know, the people who are
00:48:59
asking for pesticide reform, who are asking for chemicals out of
00:49:03
our food are misguided and malicious.
00:49:05
And I think that was an. Insulting.
00:49:08
It doesn't surprise me that a bunch of what I'd like to have
00:49:10
those Republicans do is say, OK, well, let's see if that's
00:49:13
credible. How many of you took money from
00:49:15
the pesticide industry or the chemical industry?
00:49:17
How many of you had lobbyists stuff your bank accounts full?
00:49:22
You know, it, it And what this is the the tough part, right?
00:49:25
If we were really going to have Congress, you know, operate
00:49:27
effectively and honestly, they would have to wear patches on
00:49:31
their jackets in the halls of Congress.
00:49:33
And those patches would indicate who was sponsoring them, just
00:49:36
like NASCAR. So instead of it being a hood,
00:49:39
it would be their jacket. So if they get out and say, oh,
00:49:41
don't the chemicals are safe and the biggest patch on their
00:49:44
jacket is bare across the back, then you'd know they're full of
00:49:47
shit. The problem is we, we've got,
00:49:50
you know, the, you know, there was something that Ulysses S
00:49:52
Grant said, you know, you know, traders and patriots, right?
00:49:56
At the end of the day, that's what we really have.
00:49:58
We have traders and patriots and I'm not sure how many patriots
00:50:01
we really have, but we mostly have traders.
00:50:03
The majority of Congress has sold itself out for anybody that
00:50:06
thinks that. I'm not saying all of them.
00:50:08
There are some good men and women and there are some that
00:50:10
are in there trying to do the job.
00:50:12
But the amount of money they take from these powerful
00:50:14
companies and then they come out and say, oh, we're going to sign
00:50:17
a letter. To me, it's not surprising that
00:50:20
the Republicans wouldn't matter whether it was Democrats or
00:50:22
Republicans to me that they would sign a letter that fucking
00:50:25
ridiculous when the majority don't even know what they're
00:50:28
talking about. It's not like we're talking
00:50:29
about scientists. We're clearly not even talking
00:50:32
about business people. And we're, and even worse, we're
00:50:35
talking about people that weren't honestly elected, that
00:50:38
were most likely installed because our election system is
00:50:41
not it's, it's compromised, right?
00:50:43
It's not an honest, free and fair election system.
00:50:47
The money usually buys you influence, and the influence
00:50:50
buys you a position of power. So if you've got, you know, if
00:50:54
you're really, really well financed, you're likely to win
00:50:56
in a congressional runoff. Not because you were the best
00:50:59
choice. Not because you were the
00:51:00
brightest and best or the smartest or the most capable,
00:51:04
but because some big lobbyists put a bunch of money in your
00:51:06
pocket or some big super PAC got behind you.
00:51:09
And that's why you got elected. And most likely you were chosen
00:51:13
because you were easily manipulatable.
00:51:15
You're the kind of individual that has no integrity or any
00:51:18
morality. And that's why they choose you,
00:51:20
right? That's why you're stuck in
00:51:22
there. It's, it's nice when we see the
00:51:23
opposite of it, but it's very rare, right?
00:51:25
It's a, it's an exception. It's not the rule.
00:51:28
Let's talk about for the audience because we've heard,
00:51:31
you know, the catch, the new catch term is regenerative,
00:51:33
right? You've talked about regenerative
00:51:35
versus organic and even organic a lot of people question, you
00:51:40
know, we've heard the stories about people using the organic
00:51:43
label, but they're really not organic.
00:51:45
And a lot of that's got to do with enforcement that they've
00:51:47
got. They seem to become very
00:51:49
flexible, kind of take us through that and where you kind
00:51:51
of think that's going on. And maybe also talk about green
00:51:54
washing in the food system. That's another term I wasn't
00:51:57
familiar with. Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:00
I mean, so organic is one of our kind of proven solutions to
00:52:04
pesticide use because it is backed by a rigorous legal
00:52:08
standard. It's been around for decades.
00:52:11
And organic prohibits, you know, more than 900 synthetic
00:52:14
pesticides that are allowed in conventional agriculture, and it
00:52:16
prohibits synthetic fertilizer. And there's a whole suite of
00:52:19
other requirements in organic to protect the soil, to, you know,
00:52:24
take care of the land, all of those things.
00:52:26
And what we find is that when we study people who eat a
00:52:30
conventional diet and then if we put them in on an organic diet
00:52:34
for two weeks, pesticide levels in their bodies drop, drop up to
00:52:38
95% in just two weeks from eating an all organic diet.
00:52:41
So it's one of the most proven ways, like the most clear and
00:52:44
comprehensive ways to protect people from pesticide exposure.
00:52:50
Now, organic isn't perfect. No, none of these kind of labels
00:52:54
or regulatory programs are perfect, but it is sort of the
00:52:57
best that we have at the moment because it is backed by a clear
00:53:00
rigorous legal standard. It's constantly being updated
00:53:03
and improved and there's decades of peer reviewed research
00:53:06
showing that it reduces chemical exposure, that it, you know, is
00:53:10
better for soil health that it has, that organic soils have
00:53:14
improved water holding capacity, that it supports more
00:53:17
biodiversity. Organic farms have 50% more
00:53:20
wildlife on average than conventional farms.
00:53:24
So there's a lot of data backing up.
00:53:25
Organic regenerative is also really cool, but the problem is
00:53:31
it is a huge spectrum. The regenerative label doesn't
00:53:35
have one clear set definition. That's why they agreed upon so,
00:53:39
so, you know, a chemical company like Bayer or Syngenta can slap
00:53:43
the label regenerative on a conventional chemical intensive
00:53:47
commodity crop farm and someone can put the label regenerative
00:53:51
on, you know, the best, most sustainable, healthiest, you
00:53:55
know, perfect farm out there. So we're looking at a broad
00:53:58
spectrum without a lot of quality control.
00:54:01
And I think there are organizations that are starting
00:54:03
to address that. But the influence of the
00:54:05
pesticide industry in the regenerative space right now is
00:54:08
very heavy and there's a lot of chemical industry influence and
00:54:12
there are very much greenwashing and Co opting the regenerative
00:54:15
label. Even though there's a lot of
00:54:17
people out there with great intentions who are doing great
00:54:20
truly regenerative agriculture, we also have the chemical
00:54:23
industry interfering. So I would say, you know, the
00:54:27
organic standards, again, they're not perfect, and the
00:54:29
organic community is consistently working to improve
00:54:31
them. And I think that's important.
00:54:33
We should continue to tighten them to crack down on fraud, to
00:54:37
crack down on particularly organic import fraud, to invest
00:54:41
in domestic organic production so we don't have to import so
00:54:44
much of our organic food from abroad.
00:54:47
And then also we need to do some work to tighten up regenerative
00:54:51
and make sure that the chemical industry isn't able to greenwash
00:54:54
it. You know, there's a guy's name
00:54:56
that's shown up within lots of discussions about our food
00:55:00
supply. I don't particularly like him.
00:55:02
I don't particularly trust him. In fact, he kind of makes my
00:55:05
skin crawl. Bill Gates, his name's come up
00:55:08
over and over again. Clearly his involvement in the
00:55:12
food industry doesn't seem to be based on trying to help or she's
00:55:18
wanted to come out and he and he's doing so creating products
00:55:23
that are pre vaccinated products like appeal I believe is one of
00:55:27
his. Do you have any thoughts on Bill
00:55:30
Gates? Because to me it often seems
00:55:32
that when people get large amounts of capital, they end up
00:55:36
sticking their fucking noses in places they shouldn't be
00:55:38
involved in. Bill Gates seems to be one of
00:55:40
them and and I'm not very happy that the fact that he hasn't
00:55:44
faced any consequences for his 27 trips to Epstein Island.
00:55:49
I guess I should say a. Lot.
00:55:50
No one's faced any consequences for going there.
00:55:52
Whatever happened to the absentee files?
00:55:54
We never even got that either. Yeah.
00:55:56
You got any thoughts? Because we see this a lot.
00:55:58
We see people that all of a sudden, you know, he's he.
00:56:01
I think he's what Isn't he the largest owner of farmland now in
00:56:04
the United States? I think something to that point.
00:56:09
Yeah. I mean, maybe it's a product of
00:56:12
just the particular things that I work on and the particular
00:56:15
spaces that I work in. But I feel like my number one
00:56:18
enemy is just the pesticide industry and I'm kind of laser
00:56:22
focused on them. And I haven't really dealt had
00:56:25
to deal with like any issues with Bill Gates very much.
00:56:27
I mean, I just feel like the pesticide industries are real
00:56:30
kind of enemy. Bear, Syngenta, BASF, Cordtiba,
00:56:34
the four companies that control the vast majority of seeds,
00:56:37
agricultural technology and agricultural chemicals in this
00:56:40
country. And the things they're trying to
00:56:42
do, like pass immunity bills to shield themselves from legal
00:56:44
liability in states around the country, the way they're trying
00:56:47
to pass a federal law to prevent like local States and cities
00:56:51
from passing their own pesticide restrictions and protecting
00:56:54
people from chemicals. Those are just the things I'm
00:56:56
most concerned about. Yeah, of course.
00:56:59
You know, I just didn't know if you came across.
00:57:00
Let's talk about what works and what doesn't work.
00:57:02
Let's talk about, I know you've pressured ConAgra quite a bit.
00:57:06
You know, we talked about accountability.
00:57:08
What kind of accountability does work?
00:57:09
Because to me, that's the biggest flaw, right There isn't.
00:57:12
And now they want to give themselves an additional layer,
00:57:14
I mean, to pull themselves out of a situation where they could
00:57:17
be harming people and say, Oh yeah, sorry, can't litigate
00:57:20
against us. We have a we have a safety
00:57:22
shield, a safety net. Let's talk about that a little
00:57:25
bit. Yeah, I mean, Friends of the
00:57:27
Earth organization I work for, one of the reasons I love
00:57:30
working for them is because we're a non partisan
00:57:32
organization and our goal is to pretty much hold everyone and
00:57:35
anyone accountable, whether they're a corporation or a
00:57:37
politician, regardless of their political affiliation.
00:57:41
We are willing to kind of call out and take on anyone no matter
00:57:44
how much power they have and no matter, you know, which side of
00:57:48
the political spectrum they're on.
00:57:49
So we, you know, I campaign against major organizations.
00:57:53
You mentioned ConAgra, who's a major food manufacturer, against
00:57:56
Fair and Syngenta, major pesticide companies against
00:57:59
Target and Kroger, major food retailers, anyone who has a lot
00:58:03
of power in the food space, and then also against politicians on
00:58:06
both sides of the aisle. So right now, you know, we're
00:58:09
really focused on holding the current administration and
00:58:11
Congress accountable because we don't think that they're moving
00:58:15
in a direction that is, you know, beneficial for protecting
00:58:18
people from exposure to toxic pesticides.
00:58:21
I mean. Has any administration done it?
00:58:24
No, I mean, we've seen kind of failure for decades on this
00:58:28
issue. And I think that's why people
00:58:30
are so fed up across the political spectrum.
00:58:33
It doesn't seem to matter who's in office.
00:58:35
We're not seeing the action that we need on pesticides.
00:58:39
We have a few champions. Cory Booker comes to mind as
00:58:42
someone who continuously is trying to introduce bills that
00:58:45
will actually address pesticide use, but not a lot.
00:58:49
And I mean, right now what we're so concerned about is a lot of
00:58:53
the things that, you know, actually were some programs that
00:58:57
we're doing a limited amount of good are being cut.
00:59:01
And then there are other things being implemented that are
00:59:03
making the problem worse. Like for example, one program
00:59:06
that has near universal support across the political spectrum is
00:59:09
the Local Food for Schools program, which helps connect
00:59:14
schools to local farms, usually organic and truly regenerative
00:59:17
farms, and then sell that food to schools so that kids have
00:59:21
access to healthy, fresh, unprocessed foods.
00:59:23
That's usually lower in toxic chemical residues and it also,
00:59:28
you know, boost local economies and helps local farmers and
00:59:31
local businesses. And then the administration cut
00:59:34
$600 million from that program. I understand cutting wasteful
00:59:38
spending, but to on the one hand, be trying to pass the
00:59:42
budget reconciliation bill, which increases spending for
00:59:46
chemical intensive commodity crops by $30 billion and then to
00:59:50
cut $600 million from a tiny, you know, local food for schools
00:59:54
program that helps kids all across the country access fresh
00:59:57
food and helps local farmers. It just doesn't make sense to
01:00:00
me. And I think this administration
01:00:02
hasn't delivered so far on what voters were hoping for when they
01:00:06
thought that they were kind of, you know, people really want to
01:00:08
see reform on food health, not. The administration, it's, it's
01:00:11
Congress, it's not delivering. It's no matter what you have on
01:00:14
both sides, it's you know, they're, we call it the UNI
01:00:16
party. They unless it benefits them
01:00:19
personally or for their agendas, it's hard to get stuff done
01:00:23
actually for the people's. I mean, there's only so much any
01:00:25
president can do. They can, you know, voice their
01:00:28
opinion and get out there. But it's ultimately it's
01:00:31
Congress is the ones that pass the laws and they suck at it,
01:00:34
both of them. You know, and at the end of the
01:00:36
day, when, when you, when you have corrupt people, corruption
01:00:41
is one of those things that when you allow it to continue, people
01:00:45
just get bolder in their corrupt actions, right?
01:00:48
So with no consequences, you know, it doesn't matter whether
01:00:51
it's something as simple as insider trading, doesn't matter
01:00:55
whether it's taking, you know, dark money or foreign money or
01:00:57
super PAC money. Once you start, you're
01:01:01
compromised. And I think that many of our
01:01:05
agencies have intentionally compromised people.
01:01:07
For example, if you look at the Epstein files, there's lots of
01:01:10
high level people that were probably compromised through
01:01:12
that process 'cause that was a bribery, extortion and a
01:01:15
blackmail system. I don't think Jeffrey Epstein
01:01:18
ever made a legitimate dollar. I think that his operation was
01:01:22
funded and organized by the Mossad, and then I believe he
01:01:25
was a dual agent and then he provided resources to the CIA
01:01:29
and others. When you take compromised
01:01:31
individuals, whether they're in the judiciary or they're in
01:01:33
Congress, once they start to take the money, it doesn't, the
01:01:37
spigot doesn't turn off because now they're caught.
01:01:40
And I think the difficulty comes is that, for example, the
01:01:44
Russian collusion hoax, we should have, we should already
01:01:47
see The Dirty 51 + 8 already have been arrested because that
01:01:51
would be considered treason and seditious conspiracy, right?
01:01:56
The fact that they lied to the American public, they fabricated
01:01:58
the Steele dossier. If you and I did that, we would
01:02:02
already be in jail. We would be in prison right now
01:02:05
either waiting trial or we've already been run through the
01:02:07
system very rapidly. And I think that in the, in the
01:02:11
situation when you have these large conglomerates that are
01:02:14
funneling in massive amounts of money to manipulate Congress,
01:02:18
right? And, and the Congress is doing
01:02:20
it willingly. It's not like they've been
01:02:21
tricked into it. They know they're taking money
01:02:23
from Bayer or Con Agra or whoever else, but they do it
01:02:27
because there's nothing to stop them from doing it.
01:02:30
It's kind of like having a somebody working on your farm
01:02:32
that's stealing from you. They steal a Bush of apples the
01:02:35
first day and they don't get caught.
01:02:37
And then the next day, maybe they steal 2 bushels and they
01:02:39
steal 3 bushels, and by the end of the month, they're still in a
01:02:42
truckload and they're making quite a bit of money off of you
01:02:44
if you don't catch them. They're empowered.
01:02:47
They're enabled. And it's the same thing with our
01:02:49
congressional members. It doesn't really stop.
01:02:52
So even if if, and again, I'm not telling you that Donald
01:02:54
Trump is on top of the issue when it comes to agricultural
01:02:57
products, I'd be surprised if he was, but because it's not really
01:03:01
in his wheelhouse. I thought we thought Kennedy
01:03:03
was, I mean, but he's, he's. Kennedy is, but he's slowly.
01:03:06
Working on it, yeah. You look at how much he's got to
01:03:09
try to accomplish. I mean, just the vaccines alone
01:03:12
is such a major problem, right? He, you know, and again and he's
01:03:17
and he's put a lot of great people around him.
01:03:19
But when you have an ineffective and intentionally corrupt
01:03:23
Congress, it makes it extremely difficult.
01:03:26
And now they've weaponized the judiciary in a way that every
01:03:29
time you do try to get something done, even when it comes to the
01:03:32
immigration issues. Yeah, and.
01:03:34
Then like like what you said, Sarah, then then you take
01:03:38
something the big beautiful bill.
01:03:40
I don't think it's I don't think you can take big and beautiful
01:03:43
and combine those in a bill. That's one of our biggest
01:03:45
problems writing administration because there's so much pork
01:03:50
barrel legislation, so many hidden agendas in these bills.
01:03:53
I mean, who the Hell's going to read a four or 5000 page 10,
01:03:56
1000 page bill? Nobody.
01:03:58
And that's the problem. So much shit gets hidden in
01:04:00
there. And then maybe on top of it,
01:04:02
good programs get harvested because maybe by cleaning out a
01:04:07
good program, it makes it looks like they got something done,
01:04:09
but really realize all they're doing is damaging people because
01:04:12
maybe that good program was actually helpful.
01:04:15
I mean, think about it. Doge uncovered $4.7 trillion in
01:04:21
illegitimate spending. There's 14 magic money computers
01:04:25
so far that were not hooked to the system and don't require a
01:04:28
code where I can simply send you a payment just by plugging your
01:04:32
name in and nothing else. You're not a lying on them in
01:04:35
the Congressional Budget. How about the zombie
01:04:37
organizations, organizations that were, you know, were in
01:04:40
existence, you know, years and years and years ago had never
01:04:45
been voted on again. But they can send can you can
01:04:47
receive a budget and nobody even knows where that money went.
01:04:50
I mean, look at Chelsea Clinton, She got $84 million from USAID
01:04:54
and nobody can figure out why she got it.
01:04:57
To me, that's criminal. That's stealing from the
01:04:58
American public. How come she hasn't been
01:05:00
arrested? And I, I only use her as an
01:05:02
example. And I think that's where it's
01:05:04
tricky. Even social media, I would bet
01:05:07
that if we analyze the spending of ConAgra, Baer and many
01:05:11
others, I'd like to see what their budget is for paying
01:05:14
social media influencers or in fact running bot accounts,
01:05:18
running social media influencers or social media accounts to run
01:05:22
opposition of any negative publicity.
01:05:25
I'd like to see that part of their budget because to me
01:05:27
that's that in itself is is is a crime because those there's
01:05:31
specific laws from the FTC and FCC that say that you have to
01:05:34
disclose that. Do you have any idea what
01:05:36
they're spending on social media posting?
01:05:40
I don't, I don't know if you can get that information because
01:05:43
they keep a lot of stuff confidential as much as they
01:05:45
can. And I think the thing that
01:05:47
you're saying that I, I really agree with and that resonates
01:05:50
with me a lot. It's just there is no
01:05:52
accountability right now for people with power, whether we're
01:05:55
talking about corporations or politicians, like you said,
01:05:58
they're not being held accountable.
01:05:59
They're not being held to the same standard as you and I.
01:06:02
If we commit a crime, you get punished.
01:06:05
If they commit a crime, they just get to keep committing it.
01:06:08
And I think that actually goes back to the pesticide immunity
01:06:12
bills which we had briefly mentioned earlier, which is the
01:06:15
pesticide industry's been trying to pass state level bills across
01:06:18
the country that would give them total legal immunity from any
01:06:22
harms they cause. So basically if you're, if you
01:06:24
living in that state, if you're exposed to a pesticide product
01:06:27
and then you get cancer and there was no warning on that
01:06:30
bottle, you can't then sue that company and say you gave me
01:06:33
cancer without warning. They want total legal immunity
01:06:37
from lawsuits like that. So they want to operate in a
01:06:39
space where they can do as much harm as they want and not Yeah,
01:06:44
it is, even though they're barely held accountable.
01:06:46
Now they're like, we need even more, Yeah.
01:06:48
They're asking them, and that's the problem, right?
01:06:50
Because the, you know, having all those Republicans sign that
01:06:53
letter just shows what a bunch of scumbags they are because
01:06:57
they're signing something and they're talking about an
01:06:59
industry that they probably know very little about.
01:07:01
If we gave them a test, if we gave them a 15 question test
01:07:05
about that industry, I would be, I'd, I'd venture to say 90% of
01:07:08
them would fail. But they don't really know
01:07:10
what's going on. But let's, let's try to do this
01:07:12
for the audience, I guess what kind of gives you some hope.
01:07:15
And maybe let's also give our audience some homework, maybe a
01:07:18
call to action of what they can do and why it's important.
01:07:21
Maybe they do it. I mean, the number one thing
01:07:24
that gives me hope is just that I think we're seeing an
01:07:27
incredible amount of momentum right now around pesticides,
01:07:31
around toxic exposure, around healthy food and healthy
01:07:34
farming. And I think that that momentum
01:07:37
is really promising. I think that if we can turn that
01:07:40
momentum into action, we can leverage enough pressure over
01:07:43
our politicians and corporations to kind of force them to be less
01:07:47
corrupt and to prioritize us over, you know, pesticide
01:07:50
industry profits. I think, you know, between the
01:07:53
Make America Healthy Again movement and all the many other
01:07:57
people who have been working on this issue for decades, we're
01:08:00
seeing kind of an upswelling conversation around it that we
01:08:02
haven't seen in years. That's exciting.
01:08:05
And I think the more people who can be involved in that and kind
01:08:07
of push that momentum forward, the better.
01:08:10
I think the number one thing that people can do is call your
01:08:14
member of Congress and your senators.
01:08:16
Call them now and tell them that you want them to take action on
01:08:20
pesticides, That you don't want legal immunity for pesticide
01:08:24
companies. That you don't want pre emption,
01:08:26
which means you think States and cities should have the right to
01:08:29
pass their own pesticide restrictions.
01:08:31
That you want chemical industry lobbyists out of the EPA.
01:08:35
That you want the chemical lobby to stop influencing Congress.
01:08:38
That you want to see investments in organic and truly
01:08:41
regenerative agriculture. That you want to see support for
01:08:45
farmers to transition away from chemicals instead of policies
01:08:48
that lock farmers into chemical intensive production.
01:08:51
So I think people need to be calling their members of
01:08:53
Congress now and saying, hey, like in these bills you're
01:08:55
trying to pass the big beautiful bill in appropriations, in the
01:09:00
farm bill that's hopefully coming out next year if
01:09:04
possible, that you want to see real action on this, you want to
01:09:07
see real change that you want chemicals out of your food.
01:09:11
Definitely. So let's do this.
01:09:14
Let's do this shameless plug here, you know, tell them about
01:09:17
your websites, tell them about your social media where they can
01:09:19
find you. Maybe follow with what you're
01:09:21
working on and how people can get involved through those
01:09:24
sites. Yeah, absolutely.
01:09:26
So you can follow me and Friends of the Earth at foe.org.
01:09:30
Luckily, it's a simple website, foe.org, and we're also on
01:09:34
social media as Friends of the Earth US or Friends of the Earth
01:09:38
Action across all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,
01:09:42
Facebook, Blue Sky, I think that's all of them.
01:09:47
So you can either find us as friends of the Earth US or
01:09:49
friends of the Earth Action. And you can follow our work to
01:09:52
fight for a healthier food system and to get the influence
01:09:54
of Big AG out of our politics. All right, Sarah Starman,
01:10:00
appreciate you joining the show today and thank you so very much
01:10:03
for that important information. But you know, you guys can't sit
01:10:05
on your asses and expect everybody else to do it for you.
01:10:08
If you want to fix this is going to take action on your part,
01:10:11
you've got to make the same effort that the rest of us are.
01:10:14
We try to educate here, but take this education and maybe do
01:10:17
something about it because if they keep this up, I can tell
01:10:20
you this, you may find yourself getting sicker and sicker.
01:10:23
You're sure as hell not going to get healthier.
01:10:25
And that's what longevity is about, right?
01:10:27
Better quality of life. And that is not what these
01:10:30
companies are doing for us. So if you like the show, don't
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01:10:48
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