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[00:00:30] Welcome back to The Big Mig Show. I am your host Lance Miliaccio with my co-host, Grinding
[00:00:48] Away. Got some new intro music going there George for our special guest tonight and his
[00:00:53] brother. That was an honor of joining the songs. That's a song that he knows very well.
[00:00:59] He actually did a little skit to it with a mullet. Yeah, he changed a couple of words but I figured
[00:01:06] you liked that song so why not? Yeah, we're obviously a big supporter of his because
[00:01:11] we know that he is fighting for his life right now. So as always, we're the tip of the
[00:01:16] spear if liberty means anything at all, it means to write to tell people what they do not
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[00:01:24] We're going to bring you the truth. We're going to bring you the proof. We're going
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[00:01:37] you have to disseminate it because there are lots of people that are still in denial about
[00:01:41] the Washington DC Cabal globally. I can tell you that the perception of our country
[00:01:47] is not what you think it is. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about the CIA,
[00:01:51] the Department of Defense or our own Washington DC Cabal. You're going to hear that from
[00:01:57] the horse's mouth tonight. We're joined by Gabriel Shipton. I'm going to be calling him Gabe
[00:02:02] during the show because it told me that's the easiest way to go and I got to tell you
[00:02:05] I don't know any other Gabriel's. I know some other Gabe's been no Gabriel's at the
[00:02:08] end of the day he's coming on tonight. If any family has been under attack for way
[00:02:14] too long by our own government, then it's the Asanjus and the Shiptons they know at first
[00:02:19] hand they've been dealing with it for a long time. I think it's definitely important
[00:02:25] that people like this are given a voice and given the opportunity for you to see their
[00:02:30] side of the story because as you guys know, our media whether mainstream social media doesn't
[00:02:36] matter whether it's a blog or a website or a newspaper or anything else are weaponized.
[00:02:43] They give it a narrative, they disseminate that narrative and they pedal it down to us
[00:02:47] as if it's a drug dealer selling his wares. They do it over and over again as part of
[00:02:52] the brainwashing you can call it mocking bird media if you like. For me, it's a much more
[00:02:57] sophisticated operation at this point we see it all the time even as much as suppressing.
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[00:04:20] content get it out there the more that you listen tonight and the more that you share Julian
[00:04:26] and his brother story hopefully more importantly we'll get him out of there and we'll get him back
[00:04:31] to Australia where he belongs and enough of this weaponization of the DOJ so you guys I don't
[00:04:36] know how familiar you guys are George I don't know if you were familiar with Gabrielle I actually
[00:04:41] knew about him. I didn't know the details I had no idea that he'd been in the movie industry for
[00:04:45] as long as he had I'm actually surprised at the quality of the productions he's worked on not
[00:04:51] surprise that he's working on them I just didn't know that he was that involved in the film industry
[00:04:56] he's a film producer at Shipton House obviously an advocate for his brother and for his own family
[00:05:01] for years now you know Gabrielle so let me say this Julian which of course you guys know
[00:05:07] Julian Assange wiki leaks founder anyway it doesn't know that by now must be living in a hole
[00:05:14] so Gabrielle's been involved in productions ranging from low-budget feature films quality TV drama
[00:05:18] series to major studio productions and this is what I was talking about he's worked on Mad Max Fury
[00:05:25] Road Peter Rabbit Lion Glitch Jack Irish and there was one I saw I'm trying to think in the name of
[00:05:33] it was a big one I'll have to ask him about it I don't see it here but I just want to make sure so
[00:05:38] listen he just came out with a documentary one of the things that compelled me towards him is I saw
[00:05:42] some marketing materials and a review of Ithaca which is just premiered at the Sydney Film Festival
[00:05:49] and opens for general lease it did in 22 I didn't realize it had been out that long it seems like
[00:05:54] the coverage of that movie is just starting here now why there's a slow roll on it
[00:06:01] I'd have to believe that that's intentional they don't want the information to get out so
[00:06:07] listen so it's basically John shipped in fighting for Julian's release and it's good I think
[00:06:13] really honestly it sets the tone for what a family under fire goes through many people have had
[00:06:18] the DOJ come after them or the or the Department of Defense or the US government in one way or
[00:06:23] another we saw it happen to Roger Stone we saw it happen to Mike Flynn I man it's complicated
[00:06:29] it creates a ripple effect around your entire family and everybody you care about George
[00:06:35] no reason to keep bothering on here let's bring that real quick I just want to give a shout out
[00:06:39] to her name is Lily from Arizona we are glad that you are now home safe sound healthy enjoying it
[00:06:48] she she doesn't notice yet Lance but she's now big McMathia she's a Richard's niece my personal
[00:06:55] sense is niece yeah so we're glad you're there enjoy big McMathia is winning right now he doesn't
[00:07:01] know what the big McMathie is but he doesn't know now when he comes on he won't be able to leave
[00:07:05] how you didn't tell me can't leave because once you're a friend of ours it's a problem you never get
[00:07:10] out you never get out of the way you're in your mom welcome to the big McShope Gabriel
[00:07:16] shipped in thank how you doing from the land down under yeah thanks for having me guys thanks but
[00:07:23] that tune at the beginning really pumped me up thanks for putting that up and we want you pumped
[00:07:29] up and I think your brother wants you pumped up because family is the only people that really
[00:07:34] go out of the way to fight for you when you're incarcerated I can tell you that it's one of those
[00:07:38] things that you know and you realize that the people that used to support you the people that
[00:07:43] used to alleged they were your friends the people that acted like they were when the champagne was
[00:07:47] flowing I'm sure when WikiLeaks was at its peak there were lots of people that acted like they
[00:07:53] were going to be there forever and assures hell I'm I imagine that once this started they all
[00:07:57] disappeared so let me start with this it gave I want to start give me some additional background
[00:08:02] yourself because I don't know that I did a very good job I grabbed that off IMDB I think you're
[00:08:07] portfolio or your body of work is much deeper than what I inferred there so let's let people get
[00:08:13] familiar with you first yeah thank you so I guess for the last four or five years I've been advocating
[00:08:22] for Julian traveling around the world you know connecting with politicians doing lots of media lots
[00:08:30] of speeches lots of talking a lot of outreach to different communities to really build a global
[00:08:36] constituency to support Julian and support his fight for freedom but before that I was you know
[00:08:44] I'm a film producer and a filmmaker storyteller really at heart and you know I spent 15 years working
[00:08:52] in the film industry working on these you know the Hollywood pictures you know that you mentioned
[00:08:58] like happy feet and and Fury Road Mad Max Fury Road which is you know one project that I was
[00:09:05] very very proud to be involved in and then producing smaller low budget feature films as well as
[00:09:13] a documentary Ithica about my family and their fight to free Julian and I think interesting you
[00:09:20] brought that up that you know you find out who you read when when you know Julian calls it the power
[00:09:25] of the accused and and it is a superpower he calls it because it allows you to find out you know
[00:09:34] who your friends are who has hidden agendas and where love turns from just a word into an action
[00:09:44] and I think that's what we try to do with Ithica is really show the people who love Julian the most
[00:09:50] and act that they are undertaking to free Julian and by showing their action in their life
[00:09:57] and their love get to know Julian in a different way in a more personal way because
[00:10:03] I think a lot of the time the way most people understood Julian was through media through the corporate
[00:10:10] media the sort of 10 years of demonization that Julian went underwent in the corporate and legacy
[00:10:18] media and we really wanted to you know lift the veil on that and show the joy the Julian that we know
[00:10:24] the Julian that we love the father the husband the son the brother yeah it's it's always you know
[00:10:34] that once the media is weaponized against you and organized you know it's usually a fermented plot
[00:10:41] right they create the narrative and that's it's disseminated in a manner that undermines anything
[00:10:46] you ever stood for prior anything anything you were established for anything the Julian did that
[00:10:51] was good is now you know they want they want to drive it into the ground they want to plow it under
[00:10:56] so that only their their allegations of what is bad is what comes forward you know and I want to
[00:11:02] give the audience a timeline for a lot of people you probably don't know how long this has been going on
[00:11:06] but if you just saw everybody so 2006 Julian created what he considered kind of a dead letter drop
[00:11:14] for classified documents and sensitive information and that was globally that was for any government
[00:11:19] it wasn't just the US government and April 5 2010 he released in this video when crazy I remember
[00:11:25] when this was dropped he released a video from a US helicopter showing an airstrike that killed
[00:11:31] civilians in Baghdad including two ruders news staff and of course because it was ruders news staff
[00:11:36] it actually took off and then July 25 2010 wiki leaks released over 91,000 documents mostly secret
[00:11:44] US military reports about Afghanistan 2010 they released another 400,000 classified military
[00:11:51] files and I want to emphasize that at the stage that these documents released I don't think it
[00:11:56] impacted the safety or security of the US what it did do was expose lots of crimes that the US
[00:12:02] government was participating in and as a government contractor I can tell you that the the the
[00:12:09] veracity of things like this is in fact very correct that are you own US government the CIA the
[00:12:14] DIA the NSA participate in lots of operations globally whether it's undermining or to destabilize
[00:12:21] governments whether it's to overthrow governments they do this using a plethora of you know operations
[00:12:29] that are in there their toolkit I saw at first hand I can tell you that it's no doubt that what
[00:12:35] was posted was accurate so in November 18 2010 a Swedish court orders a a sange is arrest over
[00:12:42] rape allegations that I know later on were dropped I want to stop there for a minute when those
[00:12:47] rape allegations came out initially did you guys immediately know it was an operation to undermine
[00:12:53] Julian was there any sign of it did you have knowledge of it other than obviously Julian saying
[00:12:57] this never happened it's a lie with their other things that came out in that period that you knew
[00:13:01] right away like wow look what they're doing yeah to me from from the outside looking in as soon
[00:13:08] as we heard about it we knew it's fishy at all you know from the very beginning you know they brought
[00:13:13] Julian in for questioning and they questioned him and as soon as they finished questioning him
[00:13:21] they they released the transcription to straight to the media and so you know that is very that
[00:13:28] the starters is very unusual that that would leak straight away to the media they then said to Julian
[00:13:34] okay that's all cleared up now you know we're going to close the investigation you're free to leave
[00:13:39] the country you're free to leave Sweden and so they close the investigation Julian got on a plane
[00:13:46] to fly to the United Kingdom where he had been invited to speak by the Guardian newspaper
[00:13:52] and while he was on the plane they reopened the investigator and issued a you know interpol red
[00:14:01] notice for his arrest yeah and while he was on the plane he did have with him more of the Chelsea
[00:14:09] Manning leaks and his luggage actually went missing while he was on the plane so there is actual
[00:14:15] information that that was lost forever during during that period in transit you know information
[00:14:23] about particular massacres etc and more video footage that that was lost forever during that
[00:14:31] during that time in transit but it was it's the longest you know longest running preliminary
[00:14:36] investigation in Swedish history it was open and closed actually four times
[00:14:42] and so it really has all it's absolutely stinks and there's actually there's actually
[00:14:47] freedom of information emails between the Crown Prosecutor in the UK and the Swedish prosecuting
[00:14:54] service where the Swedish prosecutors email the Crown Prosecutor and say oh we want to come to
[00:15:01] question Julian and the embassy so we can move this on and close this investigation because
[00:15:08] that's all was holding it up yeah it's simply an interview with Julian and the Crown Prosecutor in
[00:15:14] this email wrote back don't get cold feet this is about more than a simple extradition don't you
[00:15:21] know and that's actual evidence that's out there yeah in the public domain this is a same Chelsea
[00:15:27] Manning that's walking out free today correct everybody she's she's not in jail she's walking free
[00:15:33] they gave her a little sentence she even got to cut the sex change while in the military and she
[00:15:37] gets to walk free meanwhile they want to try to lock Julian away for how long who knows I don't
[00:15:43] mean it's ridiculous what they're doing they shouldn't do it I mean if anything Chelsea Manning
[00:15:48] is the one that should pay for it she's the one to leave the information well at the end of the day
[00:15:52] you have to go to also go to the law I mean Julian is not a citizen in the United States at least
[00:15:58] that I have any knowledge of and never was so to try to apply our statutes and the application of
[00:16:04] our law in the manner they're doing I think it's overreaching right it goes beyond the scope of what
[00:16:10] our legal system says it's able to do because a citizen a person that isn't a citizen of the United
[00:16:15] States our laws don't apply to them but of course with the connection of five eyes our own government
[00:16:21] has a lot of leverage over the UK government and Australia we know that that's probably some of
[00:16:25] what's going on behind the scenes but when you look at this it's pretty disgusting because that's
[00:16:30] what they did right they had to try to destroy his reputation so that in fact he becomes guilty
[00:16:35] of everything that their allegation is now all of a sudden he's guilty of stealing groceries or
[00:16:40] he's guilty of jay walking you know that's the whole case that's what they want to do I let me emphasize
[00:16:45] this next one here for 2017 this is when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo then at that time C.I.A. Chief
[00:16:53] so he starts going to wiki leases a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state
[00:16:58] actors like Russia he's doing that because that allows him by making that public statement and listing
[00:17:03] wiki leaks on that list it enables him to use the full force and effect of the U.S. government
[00:17:08] as if the wiki leaks website is now a terrorist organization that's operating you know globally
[00:17:16] to undermine the U.S. government I have to be clear I've never trusted Mike Pompeo I don't trust
[00:17:20] him now I didn't trust him then I sure as hell didn't trust him during the Trump administration
[00:17:25] I think it was a huge mistake to keep him in there I think he's been always been a covert C.I.A.
[00:17:29] shill for the deep state we'll see how that goes in the future we'll see if I'm proven right
[00:17:34] but George I'm sorry no no if you remember like Trump wanted to part in julieness on
[00:17:38] and I think I believe last minute it was him and along with Mitch McConnell a few others that
[00:17:44] you know talked him out of it say you know otherwise I believe you're right I believe cash Patel
[00:17:48] actually supported doing that with julieness I think he wanted to know the truth because let's
[00:17:53] face it a lot of this subjectively could have impacted Hillary Clinton at that time because we
[00:17:58] know she was knee deep and a lot of these foreign operations and she was responsible for everything
[00:18:02] from Benghazi to issues inside of Iraq and Iran so we know that that happened so the sweetest
[00:18:08] prosecutors 2017 discontinue their investigation now it's interesting that they changed it in mid-flight
[00:18:14] of course at that point he's he's now supposedly running from justice so an interpol red of
[00:18:20] notice is probably the simplest solution to try to do this so they reopen that investigation like
[00:18:25] you said and it doesn't surprise me that the bridge government says oh no take your time we're not
[00:18:30] any rush here you sure you don't need to prosecute him because they need that leverage right
[00:18:34] because with the interpol notice pulled off and no indictment yet in the U.S. when did they I
[00:18:39] actually pulled up the indictment George I don't know if you download the pdf and I and I read the
[00:18:44] whole indictment and I read some of the statements that were made publicly by our own department of
[00:18:48] justice and I like to call it the Department of Injustice gave just so you're clear I'm not a fan
[00:18:54] I think they've gone way past the scope of what the Constitution says they're legally allowed to do
[00:18:58] they're operating extra constitutionally and unconstitutionally in a manner that I do believe is
[00:19:03] downright criminal they're violating lots of people's rights on these prosecutions um so let me
[00:19:09] ask you when does the indictment get issued what's the date I have it here but I didn't look at the
[00:19:12] date yeah well so when they took Julian there was some there was actual an accidental leak of this
[00:19:21] indictment so we knew it existed it was who but we actually knew it was existed because they used
[00:19:28] I think it was some copy paste error that they've done in the DOJ where they
[00:19:32] actually put some of the indictment in another in another indictment so we knew it was around
[00:19:37] and floating around but it was actually only unsealed you know when Julian was taken out out of
[00:19:43] the embassy so that was April 11th so that'll be the fifth anniversary of that on April 11th
[00:19:50] said then that was in 2019 and first they dropped this you know this CF they the computer fraud
[00:19:56] and intrusion charge first they dropped that and that was really the PR charge of the
[00:20:04] the diet and Julian as someone who's not a journalist you know he's just a computer hacker etc
[00:20:11] but so that's the first charge they brought and then they dropped the 17 espnage apt
[00:20:17] charges on that in a in a in a in a subceding indictment and so that it was actually when
[00:20:25] Julian was taken out of the embassy in 2019 that that that whole thing was dropped down I know
[00:20:31] I think it's really interesting timeline because of you see you know what WikiLeaks was able to
[00:20:37] publish in 2016 through the pedestrian emails and the and the Clinton emails through to these 2017
[00:20:45] you know embarrassing leaks of both seven CIA hacking tools that the CIA had actually lost control of
[00:20:53] and WikiLeaks revealed that to everyone that they lost control of their own hacking tools
[00:20:57] so it was important to have Julian and WikiLeaks off the scene in 2019 no longer able to publish
[00:21:08] no longer able to have an independent truly independent media organization with such
[00:21:14] reaches WikiLeaks in that period up until the 2020 election and then the following four years
[00:21:21] yeah that of the next four years and into this election it was very important to have Julian
[00:21:27] off the scene by that 2019 2019 date I think a lot that's lost on a lot of people the effect that
[00:21:34] potentially WikiLeaks could have had around the publishing you know publishing of different
[00:21:40] information around that time yeah you guys were definitely dropping bombs I mean the information
[00:21:47] that was coming out it was it was so damning for our own government it was frightening let me ask you
[00:21:52] this how much traffic do you have any concept of what the traffic was on WikiLeaks prior to his arrest
[00:21:58] what kind of traffic you guys getting yearly any idea that made a scene yeah yeah it's insane I
[00:22:04] mean it's the WikiLeaks is one of the websites in the whole world you know when it comes I can't
[00:22:10] imagine yeah it's like it's it's it's it's absolutely part of history this you know this effort
[00:22:16] in this website it's incredible without knowing the exact details the information that went missing
[00:22:22] on that plane flight how damning was that information that went missing and we're never going to see
[00:22:27] the light a day now on how bad was it was it really bad yeah yeah there was video footage I
[00:22:32] like I said there's video footage of a massacre that that that is now lost forever or you know
[00:22:38] it's probably still in the in the archives over at the DOD but yeah it will be it's no longer
[00:22:46] going to be made public ever so there are some serious serious information that was
[00:22:54] that was never been able to be released you know WikiLeaks would have put out more videos you know
[00:22:59] that's there's only this collateral murder video right like there would have been more videos coming
[00:23:03] out in relation to these sort of massacres and war crimes that would have really changed the
[00:23:10] changed probably change the historical record and and changed the attitudes to the wars in Afghanistan
[00:23:17] and and the wars in Iraq yeah there was no doubt that he was already starting to have that impact
[00:23:24] globally I think many people were and I believe it created some unification we're still dealing with
[00:23:31] now against the US government because people knew that it had happened but here was
[00:23:35] conglusive evidence right this was the real drop bomb and I think that unified a lot of countries
[00:23:41] in the Middle East lots of terrorist organizations because again you hear the stories somebody says
[00:23:47] something about you or George if there's no evidence but when you start showing the proof is when
[00:23:52] he gets frightening it's just like what happened with Hillary Clinton I think George I think we're
[00:23:56] going to be taking a quick break here but listen I want to say to you guys out in the audience don't
[00:24:00] go anywhere this is we've got some great additional information we're going to be getting into
[00:24:05] Gabrielle Shipton Julian Assange's brother will be right back the big big show
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[00:27:12] welcome back to the big make show here were your hosts Lance Miocio George Balotine and our guests
[00:27:22] Gabriel Shipton Julian Assange's brother you know Gabriel we're just talking and I can't
[00:27:29] imagine what you your whole family has been going through throughout this whole ordeal
[00:27:34] you know waiting to find out what's gonna go on with Julian Assange you know I know the document
[00:27:39] right do have a clip that I um to share with um with our guests when when you're ready for it
[00:27:46] but what is the impact this has had on everything on your family well I mean you know all the hell
[00:27:54] all your all our family united in this fight now to fight for Julian and also to keep him alive
[00:28:02] while he's in prison uh it's funny like when I when I speak to Stella his wife or my dad
[00:28:10] you know we're always it's always a strategy uh you know a strategy discussion and now what are
[00:28:15] we gonna do next uh how are we gonna advocate for Julian what's the messaging which politicians
[00:28:21] we're gonna get in touch with those supporting where I mean all these different things uh that
[00:28:28] we discuss now you know on a daily basis and that is really how our family exists now we all
[00:28:35] exist together uh united um you know strategizing and working uh to keep Julian and and to get him
[00:28:44] get him out of prison so really it's taken it's taken over our lives you know my professional life
[00:28:52] now is entirely focused on this on this fight um I sort of left my my career you know as a film producer
[00:29:01] I sort of left that behind I tried to combine it a bit uh with uh producing the documentary
[00:29:06] Ethika which you know is that personal story uh the personal family story the humanistic
[00:29:13] telling of this persecution but yeah it's taken over our lives and I know I went to see Julian
[00:29:21] in the prison at the end of last month uh at the end of February actually just after the
[00:29:27] appeal hearing when I was over in the UK and you know he's it's really he's it's really heartbreaking
[00:29:36] to see him to see him in there you know he's uh he spent the last five years in a maximum security
[00:29:43] prison in a two by three meter cell uh he's not charged with any crime in the united kingdom
[00:29:50] he's not serving a sentence and what we witness when we go and see Julian and sit across from him
[00:29:58] and when we visit him is this uh man who's been crushed by this ongoing uh prosecution and
[00:30:07] his aged significantly over this time uh his physical health has been uh worn down
[00:30:14] is uh mental health is uh under a lot of duress under a lot of stress uh in 2019 actually the
[00:30:23] UN Special Rapporteur on torture Nils Melzer took two uh to torture specialists
[00:30:30] into the UK prison to go and see Julian and assess him uh and these these these guys are usually
[00:30:38] going into prisons you know uh in Africa or or Latin America uh let's see torture victims there
[00:30:45] or the Middle East but this is the first time they ever went to a prison in the united kingdom
[00:30:51] to assess whether somebody was suffering from torture and what they found was that Julian was
[00:30:56] suffering the effects of psychological torture to independent experts and then this UN guy
[00:31:03] Nils Melzer actually called it a slow motion murder and what what is happening to Julian and
[00:31:08] that's what you see when you go and see him in the prison yeah a slow motion yeah it's the end of
[00:31:15] the day i don't know much about bell marsh prison and what the facility is like in general the UK
[00:31:20] prisons are known to be fairly decent when it comes to the actual treatment of prisoners but of
[00:31:26] course political prisoners i think all bets are off uh did you did was there anything as are
[00:31:31] they're blatantly obvious things are doing to Julian like they don't let him go out in a population
[00:31:37] they're basically uh don't let him i don't know if they have commissary there but the commissary
[00:31:41] services are they denying him medical care are there things that you can see they're intentionally
[00:31:46] doing as compared to other inmates at bell marsh that they're actually subjecting Julian too
[00:31:52] well when he was first taken to the prison he was being kept in the health wing of the prison
[00:31:58] and now the prisoners call the health wing the hell wing right because it is the most depressing
[00:32:05] dank the horrid place of the prison he was being kept in total isolation when he was taken there
[00:32:14] and he only really got out of that area because of three petition were done by the prisoners
[00:32:23] you know his lawyers had written to the prison we had politicians advocating to the prison to move
[00:32:29] him from that area but it was only these three petitions from the prisoners prisoners to actually
[00:32:34] get him moved out of the health wing and out of complete isolation so now he spends around 21 to 22
[00:32:43] hours a day inside his cell and it is it is it's a punishment punishment by process really
[00:32:51] that's happening to him he's got two young children Gabriel and Max who are five and six years old
[00:32:58] and they've only ever known Julian inside that prison they've never you know had their father
[00:33:06] or been able to see their outside of the prison actually called the prison daddy's house
[00:33:12] because that's how they know that's how they know him and that's where they go and see him
[00:33:18] to visit their dad they always go out to daddy's house but I'm always amazed you know with them and
[00:33:24] with my with my daughter as well they're they're able to sort of understand this in a way that
[00:33:32] is very simple you know the drill in is there for telling the truth and that bad people
[00:33:37] bad people are keeping him in prison they don't you know I think adults tend to over complicate
[00:33:43] things and bring in all these other perceptions but I always find it amazing that these kids
[00:33:49] are able to really understand it in a black and white way you know that Julian has been persecuted.
[00:33:55] It's sad though right it's not what you want to hear because you know the far reaching impact of
[00:34:00] having a family member being carcerative for that long you know sometimes when I think Julian
[00:34:05] and it's a brutal comparison I think of Mandela you know who actually Robin Island I think he's
[00:34:11] spent 26 or 27 years incarcerated and I get the same feel when you see a government or governments
[00:34:19] weaponize against an individual when really all he did was expose the truth at the end of the day
[00:34:25] the leak was generated by an individual within the military and just like George said a little while ago
[00:34:29] I think they should face the consequences because in fact they're a US citizen I don't know how
[00:34:34] US law enables them until they create that dialogue that Pompeo did right that was an narrative
[00:34:40] WikiLeaks terrorist platform you know at that point that gives the government a whole different set
[00:34:46] of tools they can use but tell me about Ithaca what you know when you did this was it was it
[00:34:53] hard and again I only I can only think of your family it was it hard for you guys to produce
[00:34:59] is I'm sure there were moments that were very emotional when you're on film you have a lot of experience
[00:35:03] so I'm sure you got the most you know it's difficult right because you're the producer you're trying
[00:35:08] to get the most out of everybody but you also have to be conscious of the emotional impact of what
[00:35:12] you're doing you know because obviously there's a lot involved here there's a lot of stake
[00:35:16] but the process was it hard for you was it easy and then we're going to show a clip I think when
[00:35:21] you get done the answer and that and tell me how that worked because I got to tell you I would
[00:35:24] imagine there were some moments there where they just were like turn off the camera
[00:35:30] yeah there are and like there's some really heart-wrenching moments there with Julian
[00:35:38] you know Julian communicating with Stella and communicating with John you know points where
[00:35:44] Julian's at his lowest and he's reaching out to Stella and John because they're his life line
[00:35:50] and that's what keeps him going inside the prison but we really wanted to have people connect
[00:35:59] with this family with our family with my family in a way and we had to show those personal scenes
[00:36:06] we had to show those intensely emotional moments to really have people connect and hopefully you
[00:36:13] know open their hearts and then open their minds to a different sort of way of thinking about Julian's
[00:36:20] case luckily I had an amazing team you know Karen Johnson out at a Ben Lawrence the director
[00:36:28] they really were able to do an incredible job we had so many days of filming you know filming
[00:36:34] this material and that the editor just trawled through it all and picked out all the best bits
[00:36:40] and put them into this movie that really made it a really connecting emotional piece my job on
[00:36:50] the film was to make sure that they had everything they needed to get it done and also to take it
[00:36:55] take it out to audiences and with a film that's already hard as it is but when you're dealing with
[00:37:01] this sort of material with this you know political film that tells a different narrative not one
[00:37:09] that's in the sort of public domain or run by these institutions it was you know really difficult
[00:37:19] to get financing together for it to get it onto we still haven't got it onto a streaming platform
[00:37:26] in the US you know and we approach Netflix with it and you know they actually responded to us saying
[00:37:31] so saying oh this is something we don't want to get in the middle of you know they wouldn't even take
[00:37:36] a pitch meeting from us and so it was it's really challenging to get sort of counter narrative film
[00:37:43] onto one of these types of platforms and that's I think one of the techniques that is used
[00:37:52] obviously to you know hold on to the narrative really that is driving Julian's prosecution they don't
[00:38:00] want any sort of counter narratives going out on these you know co-optive platforms you know
[00:38:06] nothing Netflix is a golden door I mean a revolving door platform right like Obama came out of
[00:38:13] office he got his golden handshake from Netflix Susan Rice was on the board of Netflix during
[00:38:19] the Trump administration and then went back into into the White House so you really get a sense of
[00:38:26] house sewn up the the media industry is and film industry is when you're trying to you know
[00:38:34] get something on that doesn't fit the narrative that's out there but we're really lucky
[00:38:39] we got a few broadcasters on board and we really used John story and Stella's personal story
[00:38:47] as a sort of Trojan horse you know we you know it was our Trojan horse to break through
[00:38:53] and to sort of pitch to people well you know this film isn't actually about Julian it's about
[00:38:58] this family and their fight to free him and and we were able to use that pitch and use that line
[00:39:05] to get into the door of you know UK broadcaster it's been on the television the UK in Australia
[00:39:13] it's been shown all over the world you know on TV Norway Denmark Mexico Brazil but we're still trying
[00:39:22] to we're still trying to get it the audience that it deserves in the US we did a big tour
[00:39:28] of all around the United States we I think we did around 60 events last April and March with the
[00:39:34] film and yeah it was incredibly received you know we went from we went to Nebraska we went to
[00:39:40] Tennessee we went to all over the country 42 different cities showing the film me and my father
[00:39:47] and yeah it was just very emotional meeting people who would come out to see us to see the movie
[00:39:54] from all different walks of life and you know we always be hugging people and connecting with
[00:40:01] different people in the US who really connected with this story because of what it means
[00:40:05] for them and their rights you know their first amendment rights that they hold so dearly
[00:40:10] yeah we're under daily attack for that and the undermining you were not you know not having an
[00:40:17] Amazon or Netflix as a standard operating procedure they don't want positive messages or exposing
[00:40:23] messages they'll they'll put up an Obama film that talks about the end of the world in seconds
[00:40:29] but when it comes to something that actually is going to shine light on the truth
[00:40:33] yeah there's no there's no reason that they would wouldn't want to try to block you
[00:40:37] you know George has done a custom amazing work we actually do you know Tommy Robinson do you
[00:40:41] know Tommy Robinson from the UK uh not the nine but um uh free fighter doesn't like the immigration
[00:40:47] issues that have impacted he's definitely uh uh an England first guy great guy we actually
[00:40:54] helped him George actually helped him because George has been working on closed caption
[00:40:58] we took his documentary put it into 10 different languages form and we go up to 20 vital languages
[00:41:03] if you ever want help no charge if you ever want to go close caption and do the translation work
[00:41:09] George has gotten highly skilled at it you seem smiling over there and I'm going to give him an
[00:41:12] out of boy because he's we do it for our show we're in 25 languages on YouTube 20 times
[00:41:17] on rumble I'm smiling because I'm the one I'm gonna be doing you just get to sit back and relax
[00:41:21] and enjoy the show yeah I get the boat I get the boast about the good work we do
[00:41:25] it's not my forte it's not what I do it's not easy for us film guys production guys is it
[00:41:31] it's not right yeah yeah yeah the guy in front always throws the weight on the guys that actually do
[00:41:36] the real heavy lift and all I know that in all honesty I'm more than happy and honored and grateful
[00:41:41] to help you and join out whenever you guys need it if you need any help or and if you want
[00:41:46] we've got some pretty good contacts at rumble I don't know that it would be a monetizing event
[00:41:50] if you get to that point you want to do that but I might be able to do like a big release thing
[00:41:54] with rumble and they might really highlight we could spend some of our advertising dollars to say
[00:41:59] that it's the first platform to stream the movie we could and we could you know push it
[00:42:04] obviously we have lots of people general Flynn Roger Stone and many other Laura Loomer a lot
[00:42:10] of the big big accounts or friends of ours across most of the social media platforms as you know
[00:42:16] Mike Flynn is doing his own documentary on his attack by the DOJ of course and he's had the same
[00:42:22] issues he's doing private events with VIP meet and greets around the country we've kind of helped
[00:42:28] him get in front of some big media sources like Gateway Pundit but if you wanted to
[00:42:33] and I'll just throw this out if you decide that this is a path you want to pursue
[00:42:37] just you know you and I and George can talk behind the scenes we can discuss it
[00:42:40] I think we could probably get a lot of support across a lot of immediate platforms
[00:42:45] just link shot news gateway pundit rare and many others there might be a big deal they actually
[00:42:51] you know create kind of a big night even to the point that maybe we could try to get some support
[00:42:55] from X to do a big release stream event on there because they've done this with some other
[00:43:00] documentary so it's impossible well to yeah I've been sort of been trying to
[00:43:04] talking with that idea about an X release also been trying to get in touch
[00:43:09] yes some of the key people at rumble because I think it really this is what their platform stands
[00:43:14] for right like it is a free thing talk to me after the show we've got some great contacts at rumble
[00:43:20] and local so maybe there's a way for us to do it we hype it up for a couple of weeks we do all
[00:43:24] the advertising we spend some of our advertising dollars to promote this and maybe we create a crazy
[00:43:30] you know US release event and put it in a couple languages obviously in the US right now
[00:43:37] Spanish is a primary language so we might be able to set it up where we have a couple of different
[00:43:40] languages already done so there's a there's a there's a title that I like that comes out when julieness
[00:43:47] changes name comes up I've seen it many times and people refer to it as a hero for our times
[00:43:54] they talk about that the one a fight the investigative journalist fight the exposing the truth
[00:44:00] fight against the you know globalist and it doesn't matter what government how accurate how do
[00:44:05] you feel about that title because obviously that's a that's a heavy burden right it's almost like
[00:44:09] superhero status when you when you get to these kind of statements about you how do you feel
[00:44:15] about that do you feel it's accurate well yeah I mean I've always I mean julieness my older brother
[00:44:22] so he's 11 years older than me and I've always you know ever since you know I was a teenager
[00:44:29] I've always looked up looked up to him and and really seen what he's been doing you know at the
[00:44:37] forefront you know at the forefront of freedom of speech freedom of communication whether it's
[00:44:43] working with the encryption or doing things with the architecture of the internet I think he's
[00:44:49] really always being there at for me as my older brother you know at the at the at the forefront
[00:44:55] of all those things and now yeah here's a historical figure is he a historical figure that will
[00:45:03] you know have many films made about him many books written about him and yes I believe he is a hero
[00:45:11] you know hero for our times you know we don't get that many and you know I think he is somebody that
[00:45:19] you know that we can hold up to someone who fought back someone who was not afraid
[00:45:25] to take on these you know grand conspiracies of government I think really what I should point
[00:45:31] you towards I think really is something that is little known it's like the wiki leaks white paper
[00:45:37] essentially the before wiki leaks was created Julian put out this paper and it was called conspiracy
[00:45:44] governance and it identifies that these conspiracies that exist you know between government
[00:45:55] you know military industrial complex corporations and media and how they operate in secret
[00:46:02] and how they operate for their own interests rather than the interests of the populations of the
[00:46:07] United States or other countries and the paper suggests that one way to go after these conspiracies
[00:46:15] is to increase the cost of the secrecy a concrete cost of the secrecy that they used to operate because
[00:46:23] without the secrecy they begin to not be efficient and can no longer operate as they had been
[00:46:32] and so he sort of outlines this in a white paper you know how do we increase the cost of secrecy
[00:46:38] for these conspiracies without actually giving a solution so sort of identifies this problem
[00:46:46] that exists and then we saw wiki leaks come about and so we can really draw the line between this
[00:46:53] this paper that he wrote you know about these conspiracies that we really know a lot more about now
[00:46:59] than we did before wiki leaks and the techniques that were used by wiki leaks the techniques of
[00:47:05] encryption using jurisdictional arbitrage in a free free free speech sense to you know pick the
[00:47:12] best jurisdictions to operate from using the architecture of the internet to keep this information
[00:47:18] online so these conspiracies weren't able to operate as efficiently and I think those sort of
[00:47:27] perceptions and then using the tools and techniques out there to solve those problems I think you know
[00:47:35] the signs of the incredible not just a hero but you know an incredibly brave genius
[00:47:42] wait I want to play this clip real quick for everybody I was about to say that George I think
[00:47:46] I think it's perfect timing all right let's play this clip here we go
[00:47:49] let's go
[00:47:52] my name is John Schickton I'm doing the sound just father the maximum sentence of 175 years because he
[00:47:59] published the truth the stories I am attempting to get Julian out of the shoot in no same world
[00:48:06] can this be normalized how does it feel to be the father of such a controversial thing like
[00:48:10] was anyone phone before me oh it's okay what are your worst fears this is just collapse
[00:48:16] if Julian is extradited free Julian he will be the first free the press but not the last
[00:48:23] free us all what's at stake if he goes down so will journalism
[00:48:36] you know I want to say when we talk about pressing everything you know not you see in this country
[00:48:43] the media nobody's really pushing for a son do you think that they would want to defend
[00:48:48] one a freedom of speech but they're not really talking out they're not if they were actually
[00:48:54] all talked about it in this kind kept the pressure on our government maybe they would just let
[00:48:59] this go and let them free but but they're not but I'm gonna tell you he's gonna get out he's
[00:49:04] gonna go to Australia don't ask me how I know but I know and he's gonna be there just tell him that
[00:49:09] he's more than happy to come on this show anytime he wants we welcome hey listen you should come
[00:49:14] out and talk this screw to mainstream media because no matter where he goes people are gonna listen
[00:49:20] they're gonna come to and look they want to hear what do you know what he went to resourge deal
[00:49:23] and you know the media is not back in him here in this country they should be fighting every day
[00:49:28] talking about it for him because they cry about 1a if you know somebody comes at them for their
[00:49:35] sources or this and that you know they cry the ribo but when somebody else especially for Julian
[00:49:40] Sange because it doesn't fit their narrative but they should still be fighting for this
[00:49:44] where him the far reaching consequences of him not being released and going back to Australia
[00:49:51] it sets a precedent and it's said it's a dangerous precedent because at the end of the day
[00:49:55] it's justification for more weaponization and more undeserved attacks we see it all the time
[00:50:03] everybody that's over the target if you don't comply they come after you it doesn't matter who
[00:50:08] you were at one time or another they'll do that and now listen just recently there is some good news
[00:50:14] at least on the short-term horizon although it may be optics like we were talking about backstage but
[00:50:19] you know Julian has been handed a reprieve for the moment but I don't like the way they did it
[00:50:25] the judge ordered a permission to appeal against he said that he could in fact appeal
[00:50:31] if the US does not provide suitable assurances now I think that's kind of a danger it's a slippery
[00:50:39] slope right the US government we're going to get suitable assurances what does that mean oh no
[00:50:43] we're not going to torture him oh no we're not going to put him in a black hole at 23 and a half hour
[00:50:48] lockdown at the super max I mean what are those assurances and who who's actually going to be
[00:50:54] obligated to signing on the dotted line for those assurances no we need we need another assurances
[00:50:58] not going to get Epstein either yeah accountability has to have consequences right do I mean
[00:51:05] do you feel the same way or am I just being negative Nelly over here yeah I mean that these are
[00:51:10] sort of so-called assurances I call them diplomatic notes there's no way to enforce them at all
[00:51:17] they're you know if they give them to the UK it's this you know diplomatic note saying oh yeah
[00:51:23] we'll look after him yeah no worries he'll be all right just send him over and there's no way to
[00:51:28] actually enforce that the UK judges in the past have taken those notes on face value they haven't
[00:51:35] investigated them they haven't let the defence actually do any inquiry or present a case why
[00:51:42] they shouldn't accept them on face values so it's this you know it's a bit of a set up really
[00:51:50] you know what they've said what these judges have said is you know okay these are two points that
[00:51:58] we think you know have merit for Julian to appeal on which is that Julian should be given first
[00:52:04] amendment protection he shouldn't be discriminated against because of his because of his nationality
[00:52:12] and that he should they should exclude the death penalty right so the death penalty I think
[00:52:17] that's an easy one for them to give an assurance on you know sure they'll just write a note saying
[00:52:22] we won't we won't pursue the death penalty for Julian but their first amendment
[00:52:28] extension of the first amendment rights to to Julian I think that's going to be
[00:52:34] you know that's going to be a very interesting one how they how they craft that note
[00:52:40] for for the UK courts I'm going to be very interested at this sort of gymnastics that they're
[00:52:44] going to have to pull off pull off for that one because they don't want to you know the DOJ
[00:52:49] doesn't want to be extending first amendment rights to you know every single person around the world
[00:52:54] but they want to really people saying Guantanamo Bay or or or other places but really what
[00:53:01] it's done now is we've we've set the UK has set a sort of pre appeal without actually approving
[00:53:10] an appeal and so now they've given the chance for the US for the USDA to bring in more evidence
[00:53:17] to support their case without actually giving Julian a permission to appeal so it's really just
[00:53:22] a set up and I mean the UK the UK judiciary has been the one dealing out this punishment
[00:53:30] to Julian for the last 13 years I think he's faced over 28 judges and he's only been ruled
[00:53:36] they've underruled in favor of him once a one judge out of 28 and so you know the establishment
[00:53:43] there really is they're the wash for this attack on the first amendment and attack on press freedom
[00:53:50] you know the Biden administration they can get away with this as long as the UK judiciary
[00:53:56] washes it for them because if if this first amendment case is in the eastern district of Virginia
[00:54:02] then that has real political consequences for the Biden administration but as long as they can
[00:54:07] keep Julian in the United Kingdom in prison then it sort of washes it and this attack remains
[00:54:16] offshore is not covered in the press and has no sort of domestic impact and we've seen that before
[00:54:23] with you know with the Twitter files they're now using these other organisations these sort of
[00:54:28] third party organisations to wash their attacks on the first amendment so they're doing exactly
[00:54:35] the same with the UK and the UK judiciary you know it's the same technique that they then have
[00:54:41] now applied back home to these you know internet observatory these weird organisations that they
[00:54:49] created to censor people's speech online yeah the Twitter files were obviously extremely damning
[00:54:56] when you start to see the interconnectivity and the influence that so many different departments
[00:55:01] within our own government were influencing size a Department of Homeland Security FBI CIA through
[00:55:06] Grafika and you start looking at this web of connectivity through back channels George got suspended
[00:55:14] very shortly after Donald Trump up my personal account got suspended two minutes and 46 seconds
[00:55:20] after Donald Trump George and I had been exposing a story called Italy Gate would have to do with
[00:55:24] the Leonardo Spas satellite hack that it occurred in Italy we had some great resources on the
[00:55:31] ground in Italy that were feeding us information of course they suspended us now George never got back
[00:55:36] his personal account I got mine back but the weaponization and the suppression still hasn't stopped
[00:55:42] on X the algorithms in the very beginning of Grox AI development you could ask Grox how many labels
[00:55:50] of suppression are on my account and people are getting back these horrendous numbers I have one
[00:55:55] of my accounts has 63 labels on it which is our show account my personal account has 61 labels on it
[00:56:01] I don't know what George's old account have I'm sure it was probably the same number
[00:56:05] and that's what's happened right they won't give it back George
[00:56:11] that's the problem right that they take they take what they shouldn't be doing and it's overreaching
[00:56:17] but just like you said a minute ago you can't have guarantees if there's no accountability it's
[00:56:23] not like Joe Biden or anybody in the Department of you know the justice or I should call
[00:56:28] the Department of Injustice is going to sign on the dotted line okay well if you do this to Julian
[00:56:34] now we come over and pick you up and incarcerate you if you do this to Julian you owe the family
[00:56:40] 35 billion dollars there's no there's no hammer right at the other day it's a toothless dog
[00:56:46] that barks but yet there's nothing the dog can do other than bark so I think that's an ongoing
[00:56:51] theme right that's what they want that's how they how the deep state at least in our country
[00:56:55] I don't know about in Australia you guys I imagine there are lots of regrets about giving your
[00:57:01] guns up after the last pandemic I don't know whether or not that's true or not but who knows if
[00:57:05] that's how you guys feel what do you think's on the horizon here do you think what's the next
[00:57:11] and I don't want you to give away any strategy I don't not want to help the Department of Justice
[00:57:16] in any way but what do you think the next there's a deadline on the Department of Justice for this
[00:57:21] correct they only have so much time when is that deadline over yes so they've got until the 17th
[00:57:26] of April to present these you know political notes or diplomatic notes to the courts and then
[00:57:31] there'll be another hearing on May 20th so we've got this sort of ticking clock now where Julian could
[00:57:38] potentially you know be extradited on May 20th if the court you know says okay we'll accept
[00:57:45] these notes from the Biden administration look I think you know my gut feeling says that
[00:57:56] they're going to try and keep it out of the US as long as they can particularly in an election
[00:58:00] cycle that the Biden administration will be you know pushing the UK and pressuring the UK
[00:58:09] to keep Julian in the United Kingdom at least until after after the election you know they don't
[00:58:16] want this political hot potato landing in the Eastern District of Virginia during an election period
[00:58:25] and even worse if Julian loses his life you know that that is going to be that blood on the hands
[00:58:31] of the Biden administration and the public justice and you can see now there's this globally this
[00:58:39] prosecution is being seen as more and more of a scandal you have got the Australian Parliament
[00:58:45] in February three quarters of the Australian Parliament voted on a resolution calling on the UK
[00:58:51] and the US to bring Julian home to Australia the German Chancellor called on the UK not to extradite
[00:58:58] Julian he didn't say to the Biden administration oh you've got to drop these charges
[00:59:03] you shouldn't extradite Julian because of what he might face in the United States and that's
[00:59:08] what they called on the UK to do so you've got this global growing consensus that this prosecution is
[00:59:17] you know completely over the top and should be dropped and so I think the political cost here
[00:59:24] to the Biden administration is really growing we've got a resolution now before the Congress
[00:59:30] resolution House resolution 934 that has 11 co-sponsors on it we're hoping to get it to 20
[00:59:37] I was just there a couple of weeks ago represented a massie took me to the state of the union
[00:59:43] address so you know where our presence and Julian's presence is you know we I was literally 50 meters
[00:59:51] I could have spat on the president if I wanted to but it's been in the same room as all the people
[00:59:58] who are responsible for Julian's persecution was you know very very yeah I wanted to scream out
[01:00:06] in that room but I think the level of pressure and political costs on the Biden administration
[01:00:11] is reaching reaching a level now that could potentially outweigh the benefit of keeping this prosecution
[01:00:19] going I know you're a little tight on time and I know I know George has probably got a few comments
[01:00:25] he'd like to make let me just throw this in here if anybody could do anything to help Julian right now
[01:00:30] but number one obviously buy the DVD tell them where to get that but as their website to support
[01:00:36] you guys what can they do can they call their congressmen is there something you'd like to tell them
[01:00:41] our audience is really the really loyal they know that we don't bring people on here lightly we
[01:00:46] don't just willy nilly our interviews we get lots of opportunities but we try to bring interviews
[01:00:50] that we think will really make a difference globally because our plan is the unite not just the US
[01:00:56] just the US is still unite with the entire world I think we're kind of in a great awakening
[01:01:00] in its own way I hate to use a cliched term but at the end of the day I feel like that and I think
[01:01:06] Julian's part of that so how can people help how can they get involved in what's going on with
[01:01:11] well it's really simple go to action.assangecampaign.org that's action.assangecampaign.org
[01:01:22] if you fill in your details put in your email address in there you join our community essentially
[01:01:26] and we can keep in touch with you there's also an action on there to write to your congressperson
[01:01:32] so it's an easy to use form that you can put in your details and and your congressperson will come
[01:01:39] up and you can write to them and ask them to support House Resolution 934 that one's led by
[01:01:48] Congressman Gosa from Arizona as well as Jim McGuvan the Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts
[01:01:57] has people like Thomas Massey on there as well as Marjorie Taylor Green so we've got some really
[01:02:02] great support in the congress and we really want to build on that support for for you in the congress
[01:02:09] jump on action.assangecampaign.org and take that action I think is one easy way and very only takes
[01:02:17] two minutes but is extremely impactful. That's great George I'm sure you've got some stuff from the
[01:02:25] chat or other things that you've been doing. You know Lance so I remember Julian Assange said when
[01:02:29] everything's all said and done 90 or all came out something like that 98% of DC would fall I mean
[01:02:36] I'm just curious I would love to see what else he's got. You know there's so much talk about human
[01:02:43] trafficking with our government child trafficking even pedophilia I'm both sides out I don't
[01:02:48] know if you're aware of it if you ever heard anything you you know anything or you lied to say
[01:02:52] anything somebody wanted me to ask that Lance so yeah I mean you know I think the beauty of Wiki
[01:03:00] leaks was it relied on source documents original source documents and that's why I had 100%
[01:03:08] you know truthful like they're not not one error ever in its lifetime. Yeah 100% accuracy that's
[01:03:13] correct. It's an accuracy rate and it relied on source documents original source documents that were
[01:03:19] verified and I think that was one of the major strengths from WikiLeaks and that's what we're really
[01:03:25] missing now you know with all these conversations with all these debates is those original source
[01:03:33] documents there's nowhere for them to go anymore there's nowhere that can keep them online
[01:03:39] and so I think I would wait to see some original source materials some original source documents
[01:03:45] verified source documents about that I think would be very interesting to come out particularly
[01:03:50] also around the COVID you know the whole COVID era you know WikiLeaks was off like I said it was
[01:03:56] 2019 where WikiLeaks you know was taken off off the table just like and then just after that
[01:04:05] you saw the Twitter censorship happen so I think there was a real clamp down around that 2019 period
[01:04:12] and that timeline and following into the COVID stuff and where we are now you know with these
[01:04:17] different wars that are going on we have to really have to look at the censorship when it started
[01:04:22] and where we are at now in this sort of neo conservative project and it reaching its sort of apex if you
[01:04:30] will yeah I mean listen we're hopefully we don't we're not headed into World War 3 because under this
[01:04:36] administration I God knows what would happen because he's selling our he's selling our government
[01:04:43] our this whole country to China Ukraine whoever is going to pay him more 10% or more from what it
[01:04:49] seems like probably doing for 5% now he's so greedy but you know I don't want to keep him waiting
[01:04:54] Lance because I know he's got a you've got a flight right gotta flight Gabriel just really quick
[01:04:59] where can people find list your social media list any website you want to direct them towards
[01:05:04] or anything like that because I would love to see your account get hundreds of not millions of
[01:05:09] followers because that would expand your voice so go ahead list that stuff where people can actually
[01:05:14] follow you so they can stay on top of this story okay that can follow me on Twitter or x Gabriel
[01:05:22] Shipton you know I'm also on the other on the other social media as well as Gabriel Shipton but
[01:05:27] Twitter and x is the main one that I I use there I think the most important website to go to is
[01:05:34] action dot a science campaign dot org or if you want to pop on to the movie website if you want
[01:05:41] to grab a DVD if it could dot movie is the movie website but I think action dot a science campaign
[01:05:47] dot org take two minutes to jump on there and do that email your congressperson action and I
[01:05:55] think that's really could have a lot of impact if you take those two minutes well listen we
[01:06:01] want to thank you for joining the big big show we really appreciate you sharing all the information
[01:06:07] on julian's fight and obviously the situation your families in hopefully our prayers are out to
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[01:06:28] you guys what we offered during the show we're here if you want to look at that again I don't
[01:06:32] I don't know what the monetizing vehicle would be but in fact just getting exposure might be so
[01:06:37] so important here the us because you might get a larger outcry here when people really understand
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