THE BIG MIG SHOW
DECEMBER 11, 2025
EPISODE 722 – 11AM
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Stacy Malkan is co-founder and managing editor at U.S. Right to Know, a nonprofit newsroom and public health research group. She covers food and pesticide industry lobbying and disinformation tactics, and the health risks of chemicals in our food, cosmetics and household products.
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I know you had a little bit of tuning to do all set.
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All right, well, I've got a great show.
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A lot of you never really realize you blame it on the
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gluten. Maybe you know what glyphosate
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is, but maybe you don't. We've got one of the nation's
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experts, Stacy Malkin, driving us today.
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And you know, a lot of our shows, this is really a variety
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show. Not only do we do politics, we
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do lots of other topics. And the reason we do that is we
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really want to expand and improve your life.
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And I think when you when when you actually listen to what
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Stacy's going to have to say today, you're going to be
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shocked. She's a cofounder and managing
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editor of Us Right to Know. It's a nonprofit newsroom and
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public health research group. She's covers food, pesticide
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industry lobbying, which you know those lobbyists, they're
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dangerous disinformation tactics and the known health risk of
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chemicals in our food, cosmetics and household products.
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They're all around us. You deal with them every day.
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Some of them seem innocuous, but then you find out that they
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aren't so innocuous. She's the author of the
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award-winning book about the toxic chemicals and personal
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care products. Could be your lotions, your
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makeup, you name it. Could be dangerous and just keep
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slathering it on every day having no idea what the
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consequences are. She's been published, including
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in the New York Times, Time magazine, Washington Post and so
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many other outlets. I'm not going to sit here and
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draw it out. Maybe I'll let you tell her
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about. She's also appeared in not one
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but 7 documentary films including The Human Expert that
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was produced by Sean Penn and Not So Pretty airing on HBO Max.
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We've got a lot of articles and a lot to cover today.
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I want to dig right in. Let's bring her in, George.
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All right, welcome to the big, big show.
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Stacy Malkin, how you doing? Hi, thanks so much for having
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me. Yeah, Stacy, sorry about a
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little bit of the struggle there.
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Sometimes we're changing studios.
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We have to we, we carry our server with us and George has to
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do all the work. But you and I just get the
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luxury coming in. So I apologize for a little bit
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of a delay there and I also for the audience for being patient
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with us. Stacy, man, you are busy.
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It's incredible the amount of work you've done.
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When I started to dig in, I had no idea when Trevor first
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contacted me about having you on the show.
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Incredible stuff. But I like to always start with
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people, you know, None of us necessarily always choose our
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path, meaning that we don't really recognize why we ended up
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somewhere. Georgia myself, I don't think we
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ever thought we'd be doing a show together.
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But like, I couldn't sit on the sidelines any longer and decided
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that it was important to really get specific narratives out
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there on this show. We cover so many different
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topics that, you know, I'm hoping that our education will
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unify the country and get people out there in the knowledge base.
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How did you start what you know, I'm sure you didn't start out as
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a food advocate or a health advocate, or maybe you did.
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Why don't you give the audience a little bit of background on
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what kind of got you running down this path, or maybe even
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this rabbit hole, which I'd call it a rabbit hole for how much
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information is out there and how much disinformation is out
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there. It is a rabbit hole and once you
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get into it you can't get out. But I believe knowledge is a
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good thing. And I've been following the
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pesticide and chemical industry for years.
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I'll, I'll admit, about 25 to 30 years.
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I've been doing investigative work to look at what the
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industry is up to. The first thing I want to say is
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that several of the closest people in my life have cancer
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right now. My uncle, who was a captain of a
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fire department in Massachusetts, has two types of
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cancer. And we know that firefighters
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have higher rates of cancer. So do farmers, so do people,
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including children who are living in the Corn Belt of the
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United States. So that's the personal reason
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why I do this work. And the professional reason is
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I've seen so much, so many dirty tricks, so many cover ups that
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we've exposed in our investigations.
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And I'm continually surprised, even having looked at the
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chemical and pesticide industry for so many years, continually
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surprised at the depths they go to to hide what they know about
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the harm of chemicals that we're putting on our food.
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And I we believe it US right to know.
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Just get the information out there and let people decide
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because there are choices we can make that are better for our
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health, as you know, and talk about a lot.
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So we can get to some of that. But we also need to have
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systemic changes. We need to change the political
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system that allows companies to put chemicals in our food that
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they don't use in other countries.
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Yeah, you know, we've seen it, we've talked about it on the
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show or that you take a bottle of ketchup from this country and
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you look at the long list of chemicals that are in our
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ketchup and then you take a look at the ketchup in another
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country and it's pretty simple. There might be 4 or five
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different things in there, you know, tomatoes, salt, vinegar
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here, it's not like that. And we see it on all the
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labeling. And then we find out as you
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start to dig in and for people that have just started, you
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know, my, my wife is an IFB bikini pro, but she's also, you
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know, a health consultant. She, she has a non invasive
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clinic and she does a lot of stuff for weight loss with
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people. And you start talking to people
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about the inflammation, what's causing the inflammation, the
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triggers of cancer, the broad spectrum issue with the sugars.
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And I'd be talking about high corn fructose, you know, as far
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as one of the most dangerous sugars.
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But we see it, they pump so much crap into our food and you don't
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know it. You buy something off the shelf,
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maybe a tried and true look at the big fallout just recently
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with Campbell's Soup. That's a product I grew up with
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as a child, and now we're finding out that most of the
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meat in there is printed meat. They didn't disclose that.
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They didn't tell me when I buy Campbell Soup.
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And they've always given us that warm and fuzzy feeling that this
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is a product you can trust and you grew up with it.
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At least that's my belief. They run a lot of other
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products, and now I'm running is it printed meat in the chunky
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soup? Is it printed meat in everything
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they do? I don't want to buy printed
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meat. I don't like what Bill Gates is
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doing. I think he's a criminal.
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I would charge him. He's lucky I'm not president.
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United States. Many of those people would be
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facing different consequences. We got banned on this show.
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We we got suspended off of YouTube.
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They never gave us an account back.
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They've now finally agreed to let us have another account.
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They banned us for vaccine information.
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I was on a radio show yesterday with a, with a vaccine expert in
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out of Canada and he's been, you know, basically banned from
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practicing medicine. He's he's written 30 different
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peer reviewed papers, very big expert.
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And that's the tricky part. You know, there's, there's these
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narratives that get propelled and I'm going to start with the
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first narrative. It's about gluten.
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You know, we keep hearing that the reason we hack and cough or
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have an allergic reaction, myself included, that it's the
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gluten. But it's funny, when I go to
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Italy as an example, and I've been there a handful of times, I
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can eat, you know, pasta and bread like it's going out of
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style. And I have to admit it's a
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difficult place to not gain weight.
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But I don't struggle with anything.
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I don't have any kind of reaction to the bread.
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I don't feel any, you know, any inflammatory markers.
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But I come over here and it's completely different.
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And, you know, many people don't know much about this product.
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So for the audience, you know, I may be just being redundant
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here. But I'd like you to go over
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this, Tracy. Glyphosate, probably one of the
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world's biggest silent killers. It's the most widely used
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herbicide. You know, it's a broad spectrum
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system herbicide for anybody out there, meaning it kills most
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plants it contacts. It's absorbed through the
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leaves. It's transported through the
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plant, including to the roots. It stays in the soil.
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It's, you know, it's it's run off.
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It's getting into all our water supplies.
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You know, the trade names. Yeah.
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You guys have used it. Roundup, originally Monsanto and
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Bar Bear. You know, you've got Ranger Pro,
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Rodeo, Accord and hundreds of other generic versions.
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Let's talk about that because maybe people don't understand,
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first of all, the dangers. And not only that, you guys have
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to also recognize that we are killing all of our insects.
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I remember a day when you used to drive around in Florida and
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your windshield be covered with insects.
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That's not happening any longer. And I'm concerned about that
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just like I'm concerned about the impact on the honey bees.
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So maybe give us some background on the product first, Stacy?
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Well, I'm concerned about all of that, too.
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And glyphosate is a huge problem in the United States.
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Excuse me, glyphosate is sprayed widely on all of our corn and
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soy crops, all the conventionally grown or nearly
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all, as well as a lot of the wheat.
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As you mentioned, the gluten problem, one of the things that
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happens in the United States is that farmers spray wheat crops
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at the end of life to uniformly kill them.
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It's called a process called desiccation.
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And so wheat can be highly contaminated with glyphosate as
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well as corn and soy. And one of the reasons why we
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have a big problem in the United States that is not the case in
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other countries is because of genetically engineered foods.
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So most of the corn and soy in the US is genetically engineered
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to tolerate glyphosate. So you can spray glyphosate on a
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field and it will kill everything green except for the
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plants that are engineered to resist it.
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So this has been the case since the 1990s.
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You know, we tried to label genetically engineered foods
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about 10 years ago. And that was why I got into this
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work looking at food, because I worked on that campaign to try
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to label genetically engineered foods in California.
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It had massive bipartisan support until the very last
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month when Monsanto and the other pesticide companies and
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the food companies spent about $1 a day with a massive
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disinformation campaign that blanketed the state to convince
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people to vote against their right to know.
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And after that happened and the the polls just tanked and we we
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lost the election still by a narrow number because of course,
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most people wanted their food label labeling had already been
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in place in Europe for many years.
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And, you know, consumers chose their that they didn't want
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their food to be genetically engineered.
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So the companies were afraid that that would happen in the US
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if they gave people simple labels.
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So massive disinformation campaign.
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We wanted to know how did they do that?
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How did they get many academics, for example, who claim to be
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independent professors at universities, universities
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themselves using their talking points, promoting their
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products? And so we started digging in.
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This is how we started US right to know.
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We filed a bunch of many, many public records requests looking
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for the emails of university professors and other people who
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we suspected were working with the chemical companies.
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And So what we found was many a secret payments working behind
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the scenes together to cook up PR campaigns, to lie to the
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public. We found that many, many groups
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were just marching in lockstep to Monsanto's false talking
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points. So a lot of the information was
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just wrong. It was inaccurate.
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It was carried by people who, you know, had public
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credibility. That's why the companies used
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university professors, because they know that people don't tend
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to trust the companies, but they trusted these supposedly
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independent researchers who were, it turned out, working
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hand in hand with Monsanto and in some cases paid, some cases
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paid millions of dollars of money that wasn't disclosed to
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the public. You know, and, and, and the, and
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the big lobbyist groups, of course, agriculture being one of
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the big ones. They're powerful institutions
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with lots of revenue. Monsanto has done a very good
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job of being an expert in disinformation marketing
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campaigns. It's been very clear.
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RFK Junior's talked about it. He's attempting to try to fix a
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lot of this, but he's getting stopped behind the scenes at
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every turn. The money is what it is.
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We talk about our Congress being seriously compromised.
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The lobbyists are so powerful. I've often talked about on the
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show that I think they should have to wear a NASCAR jacket.
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And I think before they open their mouths, they have to
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disclose who they're being sponsored for, you know, online.
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They're supposed to be laws in place by the FTC has certain
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statues that are there that you have to disclose with your
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sponsored, just like we did with Genesis Gold group at the
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beginning of the show. But it doesn't happen.
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They're getting away with it in our, the marketing and media.
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They're getting away with these massive campaigns.
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They're paying our congressional members of both state and
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federal levels. And people don't know and they,
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they, they, you know, they, they go out and buy a bucket of
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Roundup. There's lots of other solutions
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you can use and you can go look up.
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There's natural solutions for spraying weeds and they don't
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realize the massive impact and how dangerous it is.
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You know, you talked about GMO foods and one of the things
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that's frightening to me and for people that haven't been out of
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the country, I'm going to say something to our audience right
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now. Expand your mind.
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Go out of the country, take a trip to Italy, take a cruise,
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take a cruise. It takes you to different
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locations. I'm going to tell you that
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you're going to find because I, I deal with it constantly
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because my wife talks about it because we spent time in Africa.
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She's originally from Africa, and I've been to 71 different
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countries over my lifetime. And I have to say that the
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frightening thing is how good the food tastes in other
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countries. And you come back here and the
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fruits and vegetables, and I don't care whether you're
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talking about organic and I it tastes like shit.
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This GMO model of making these plants be able to defend
00:18:51
themselves from the pesticides and from, of course, any of the
00:18:55
pests, you know, is impacting the flavor, let alone the
00:18:59
nutrition. And I'm not sure how our bodies
00:19:02
are dealing with it because the obesity in the United States is
00:19:05
absolutely out of control. It's ridiculous.
00:19:07
I, you know, I imagine Stacy, you know, I'm probably older
00:19:11
than you. And my thing is, I remember what
00:19:14
the beaches look like. No, not probably.
00:19:16
You are, yeah. I probably am older than you,
00:19:19
and the point is my my thing about it is that I remember what
00:19:22
the beaches used to look like. George, I'm sure you spent time
00:19:26
at the beaches in New Jersey and.
00:19:27
Actually, you know what? The beaches in Jersey.
00:19:29
Now the water's clear. Sure, it's blurry.
00:19:31
Before it used to be like. But I'm talking about the
00:19:33
people's physiques. I'm talking about the way people
00:19:37
look. You look at pictures from the
00:19:39
50s, sixties and 70s and you look at what's going on.
00:19:43
The food that we're pumping in our bodies can't be any good.
00:19:46
The lifestyle is not any good. I mean, we grew up relatively
00:19:48
feral, if you think about it as children, You know, we, they had
00:19:51
to be reminded to look for us. At 10:00, we went outside and
00:19:54
rode our bikes. We didn't spend time, you know,
00:19:57
playing video games and staying indoors.
00:19:58
We were outsored, you know, playing kickball, playing street
00:20:01
hockey, playing dodgeball, you name it.
00:20:04
We, we were out there doing it, building forts out in the woods,
00:20:07
doing whatever was available to entertain ourselves because God
00:20:10
forbid you told your parents. Parents, you were bored.
00:20:13
I'm bored. Well, the next thing you knew,
00:20:14
you were folding laundry, so you just didn't want to do it.
00:20:17
Once that door was open, especially during the summers,
00:20:20
you hit the street, you went out, and if you went to the
00:20:22
beach, there wasn't a bunch of sloppy looking people out there.
00:20:25
Now, I think that weight struggle, what I think is
00:20:27
frightening about is I think a lot of it's linked to this.
00:20:31
What are your thoughts on that, Stacey?
00:20:32
Do you think that some of the obesity issues are linked
00:20:35
directly to our agriculture issues?
00:20:37
Absolutely. And obesity is just skyrocketing
00:20:40
in the US and among children and most people eat most of their
00:20:45
diets is ultra processed foods. And it is a model, it's an
00:20:49
agricultural food model. And so much of our farmland is
00:20:53
devoted to corn and soy. It's not even you.
00:20:55
It's sprayed with glyphosate. It's genetically engineered.
00:20:58
It's not even most of that used to feed people nutritious foods.
00:21:03
Most of it goes to feed cows from livestock, feed cars for
00:21:08
biofuels and ultra processed food factors, corn oils, soy
00:21:14
oils, corn syrup, etcetera. And the food industry designs
00:21:20
foods to be addictive and all of these that from the chemicals
00:21:25
sprayed on the plants to the chemicals in our foods are
00:21:28
interacting in our bodies in lots of ways.
00:21:31
And with many of these chemicals, not just glyphosate,
00:21:34
but the multiple other pesticides that are sprayed on
00:21:38
this lands to keep the corn and soy monocle cultures viable
00:21:42
because this is not a natural way to grow food.
00:21:46
You know, the pests come in the weeds, encroach, and they are
00:21:51
getting worse and worse. So they need more and more
00:21:53
chemicals. So this is really a pesticide
00:21:55
treadmill system and a lot of these chemicals are interacting
00:22:00
in our bodies in similar ways. I just reported a couple weeks
00:22:04
ago that atrazine, what is a probable human carcinogen
00:22:09
according to the leading independent research agency on
00:22:12
cancer. Well, so is glyphosate.
00:22:15
So here you have the number one and #2 pesticides used in the
00:22:20
United States on huge amounts of our farmland probably cause
00:22:24
cancer in humans. They both also have been shown
00:22:27
to disrupt hormones to impact gut microbiomes.
00:22:31
So multiple actions within the body.
00:22:34
And we see through data that people in the Corn Belt have
00:22:37
higher rates of cancer and that children in Nebraska, this was a
00:22:41
recent study, have higher risk of cancer if they're exposed to
00:22:45
multiple pesticides. The data is very clear.
00:22:49
And because of that and, and a lot of this recent science over
00:22:53
the last decade or two, it's so strong, the pesticide companies
00:22:57
are getting hammered in the courts.
00:22:59
Bayer has faced billions of dollars in jury awards for
00:23:04
people who have cancer, non Hodgkin lymphoma, who've been
00:23:06
exposed to Roundup or suing Bayer.
00:23:10
And they've gotten huge jury awards.
00:23:12
And a big reason for that is because when the documents come
00:23:15
out in these trials and we've reported at this at length, the
00:23:19
documents come out and show the companies knew for years.
00:23:23
Monsanto scientists saw what was happening in the science.
00:23:27
They cook up studies to confuse the record, to throw regulators
00:23:33
off the trail, to say it's safe. And so just last week, a major
00:23:39
cornerstone study in the glyphosate safety record was
00:23:43
retracted because it was ghost written by Monsanto.
00:23:47
It relied almost entirely on Monsanto studies, ignored
00:23:51
independent science. None of that was disclosed to
00:23:54
the public. It was a major reason why
00:23:57
regulatory bodies around the world have said this chemical is
00:24:00
safe. And this information came out a
00:24:03
long time ago. And the study's 25 years old.
00:24:06
So the record's catching up to Monsanto, now owned by Bayer,
00:24:11
which is a German company. I have to mention also that the
00:24:14
Trump administration just asked the US Supreme Court to give
00:24:19
Bayer cover, saying that people in states should not be allowed
00:24:23
to sue these companies. This is a major, major threat to
00:24:28
our rights as American citizens because we have a right to sue
00:24:32
companies when they harm us. But Bayer is trying to take away
00:24:36
that right, and now it's going to be decided by the Supreme
00:24:40
Court. So I think that's outrageous.
00:24:42
It is outrageous and you know, the pre-existing knowledge, the
00:24:45
Mens Rea that they actually know the truth and that they continue
00:24:49
on to harm us and then they intentionally deceive us by
00:24:52
creating false reports, cover ups.
00:24:54
And of course there's lots of out of court settlements where
00:24:57
there's Ndas, non disclosure agreements and the agreements
00:25:00
and the terms of whatever happened get sealed.
00:25:03
The courts comply with those records.
00:25:05
So even the cases that we know about, I would have to venture a
00:25:08
guess that there are probably at least 2345 more cases per case
00:25:12
that we don't know anything about because they get settled
00:25:15
out of court. Of course the attorneys are
00:25:16
happy they get a payment. I think it's ridiculous, you
00:25:19
know, for people out there that you know, you have to understand
00:25:21
that even what they do is not only the pre part of the crop,
00:25:24
but it's also this pre harvest thing like Stacey mentioned.
00:25:28
I want to explain desiccation. They spray it on the wheats, the
00:25:31
oats, the barley, the lentils, the peas, flax, etcetera. 7 to
00:25:36
14 days prior to harvest. Hang on a minute honey, you can
00:25:39
grab that. That camera is not focused right
00:25:41
now. You can grab what you need.
00:25:42
My wife is trying to grab something out of the studio
00:25:44
here. So and they and they do that to
00:25:48
boost the yield. So that that's why we're now
00:25:51
finding these residues. They're found in non-GMO foods
00:25:54
like oatmeal, bread, hummus. And listen to this one closely
00:25:57
in the audience. Even your beer.
00:26:00
You better start recognizing you think beer.
00:26:02
Oh, I'll drink a beer. It's probably healthier than
00:26:04
this item or that item. You might be drinking something
00:26:07
that's just full of glyphosate, which of course, if you really
00:26:11
get down to the point of it, it's a poison.
00:26:13
It's not any good for you either.
00:26:15
And you know, the non agricultural uses, home gardens,
00:26:19
lawns, of course, you people out there that like to play golf,
00:26:22
golf courses covered with this stuff, parks, roadsides, you got
00:26:26
railroads, schools, all the utility rights away.
00:26:30
Don't think that just because Oh well, you know, I'm being
00:26:32
careful. I'm going to Whole Foods and I'm
00:26:34
buying organic. I'm not sure I'm buying the
00:26:36
organic agenda. You know, sometimes when I buy
00:26:38
organic fruits and vegetables, they taste like crap too.
00:26:42
I don't know what happened to the flavor.
00:26:43
It doesn't taste like what I grew up as a child.
00:26:45
But the dangers of what we're talking about, it's exploding.
00:26:49
You're talking about. Let's talk about global use.
00:26:53
In 95 they were using about £100 million of of this product and
00:26:58
Stacy, you stop me if my numbers are wrong.
00:27:01
And then £2 billion per year as of today.
00:27:04
Now listen to that £2 billion. And now you hear that they want
00:27:09
to try to cover it up in the courts.
00:27:11
To me, that's a criminal conspiracy.
00:27:13
You're talking about racketeering and Rico when you
00:27:15
have so many individuals involved and now we've got a
00:27:18
court system that wants to say we can't sue them.
00:27:21
Nobody should be ever excluded from being sued, and I think
00:27:24
that includes the Department of Justice and the judiciary.
00:27:27
If your rights are violated and if you are harmed, there should
00:27:30
never be policy coming down from government.
00:27:33
Shame on them for doing this where they think that now
00:27:36
they're going to give these people an exclusion for being
00:27:39
sued. Why are we giving them an
00:27:41
exclusion? And again, I want to tell you
00:27:43
there's another important thing Stacy and I got to ask you about
00:27:45
this. The microbiome in the soil.
00:27:49
A lot of people don't understand what's happening there.
00:27:52
The reason the yields are down, the reason the crops aren't
00:27:54
doing as well is because we're ruining our soil and our farm
00:27:57
properties. I don't know how much your
00:28:01
knowledge base is on that, but can you explain if you do know?
00:28:04
Because we've had some experts come on to talk about replacing
00:28:07
that microbiome, not using these products, not using GMO.
00:28:12
Yeah, it's a huge problem. I mean, the soil is the basis of
00:28:15
life. And just as glyphosate and other
00:28:17
chemicals are impacting our microbiome and upsetting our
00:28:21
digestive systems, they're messing with the microbiomes in
00:28:24
the soil. And some studies show that soil
00:28:27
is only has, you know, several harvest left.
00:28:31
I mean, we are, we are facing and the science is showing very
00:28:35
clearly multiple avenues of collapse of the systems that we
00:28:39
need to survive. So this is urgent.
00:28:43
And it's also, I just want to say again, massive bipartisan
00:28:47
support to fix these problems. You know, there's, there's, we
00:28:50
have grassroots political power from people saying we don't want
00:28:54
toxic chemicals in our food and in our products.
00:28:58
We don't want our kids exposed to this stuff.
00:29:00
Other countries have already banned many of the highest
00:29:03
chemicals of concerns. And we can't get it done here
00:29:07
because the chemical industry, especially the pesticide
00:29:10
companies have had so much power and the science is catching up
00:29:14
with these companies. I want to make that point again
00:29:16
because this this, this desperate move that they're and
00:29:20
they and they might get away with it if the US Supreme Court
00:29:23
actually sides with Bayer is supported by the Trump DOJ
00:29:28
saying that people shouldn't be allowed to sue them in state
00:29:32
courts. Bayer has it is existentially
00:29:38
needing this cover from the courts and from governments
00:29:42
because they can't continue to face these lawsuits.
00:29:46
The evidence is too damning and, and glyphosate is not the only
00:29:50
chemical. Paraquat and Syngenta also not a
00:29:54
U.S. company owned by Chem China or atrazine and Syngenta.
00:30:00
These also are chemicals that again, the science is catching
00:30:04
up. And we, we can, it's, it's the
00:30:05
record is too clear for the pesticide companies to keep
00:30:10
doing business as usual. So they're sort of, you know, at
00:30:13
this point up against the wall saying we have to take away
00:30:17
people's right to sue to, to be able to keep this business model
00:30:20
viable. Yeah.
00:30:22
And it's a business model that I think needs to go away.
00:30:26
Personally, if I was the president, I would ban all these
00:30:28
products coming in the United States and I would ban their use
00:30:31
overnight. That executive order would come
00:30:33
through. But, but, you know, the powerful
00:30:35
lobbyists in Washington, DC, they operate like the mafia.
00:30:40
They operate through influence, you know, extortion and bribery
00:30:44
in my my own opinion. And I think that's the
00:30:46
difficulty such things are so entrenched into into the US
00:30:50
government. And George, you and I have
00:30:52
talked about this so many times, about these powerful lobbyists,
00:30:56
when we talk about the military industrial complex, big pharma,
00:30:59
agriculture, something really the biggest and the most
00:31:03
dangerous because at the end of the day, they don't have the
00:31:06
best interest in the United States, right, George?
00:31:08
No, not at all. I mean, trust in the government
00:31:10
is like, forget it. Why would you want to even do
00:31:12
that? Because you know, you from how
00:31:14
many years now anything government tries to do for
00:31:17
people, it just doesn't work well, look at our education.
00:31:20
But you go back 20 years ago, who the hell was gluten free?
00:31:25
You never even heard of it. And all of a sudden people now
00:31:28
all gluten free that just that doesn't happen through natural.
00:31:33
It's it's something definitely man made biological.
00:31:36
I mean everybody has all these allergies.
00:31:40
It's there's something going to be causing it, just like when he
00:31:43
talked about the vaccines with autism, they know there's an
00:31:45
underlying issue. What there's something causing
00:31:47
it because there wasn't that much autism back back in the day
00:31:50
and you have it now. But it's, I mean, how do you
00:31:54
even know when you want to buy food or even though it says it's
00:31:57
organic, how do you really know they're not using those
00:31:58
pesticides? Stacey.
00:32:00
Well, organic does make a difference.
00:32:03
You will get far less pesticides.
00:32:06
Pesticides are ubiquitous by this point, so even organic
00:32:09
foods may have some trace. But the USDA organic program is
00:32:14
strict. I mean, farmers need to adhere
00:32:18
to certain standards to be able to get that certification.
00:32:21
It's a good certification. It's also an example of where
00:32:24
government needs to play a role in solving these problems.
00:32:27
I mean, the government, first of all, is spending tons and tons
00:32:31
of money on, on food. They should be spending it on
00:32:34
good foods, on healthy foods for kids in schools instead of the
00:32:38
crappiest foods, cheapest foods available coming from the
00:32:41
commodity, you know, corn soy cartel.
00:32:45
So there's a lot we can do through government, I think to,
00:32:48
to make, to, to reduce our risk from these products, whether
00:32:51
it's banning chemicals or using good 21st century science to
00:32:57
make regulatory decisions instead of, as they do now,
00:33:01
relying almost entirely on company studies that we, we see
00:33:07
from their own documents. We're ginned up and totally
00:33:10
corrupt science. So we need to be using good
00:33:14
science and making the best decisions we can.
00:33:17
And I, I do think that's possible.
00:33:19
I think it's available to us, but I think I think there is, as
00:33:23
I said earlier, massive grassroots support for these
00:33:26
solutions. And we need to just stay focused
00:33:30
on using that power to get governments to do the best they
00:33:34
can to rein in these companies because just letting the
00:33:37
companies do business the way they do it is also not an
00:33:41
option. They're entirely corrupt.
00:33:43
And if you look at the pesticide industry, I think what you see,
00:33:46
and we see this in every industry concentration
00:33:50
monopolies in, in every single industry at this point.
00:33:54
But if the concentration of the most corrupt, the companies that
00:33:57
were willing to lie the most, hide the most evidence, lobby
00:34:02
the most, you know, act like thugs in the field.
00:34:05
And those companies now dominate our food system.
00:34:09
Bayer, Syngenta, they're not even U.S. companies anymore.
00:34:13
They bought the US companies, Bayer's in Germany's, Syngenta's
00:34:17
in China, Dow, DuPont, which couldn't even keep the name
00:34:22
because people know that it was fully corrupt.
00:34:25
So they changed the name to Corteva.
00:34:28
And a lot of people don't realize that that's the the bait
00:34:31
and switch of it. And you know, and, and I want to
00:34:33
believe that government can be fixed.
00:34:35
We've talked about lots of times at the the what?
00:34:37
And maybe you don't know this, Stacey, what differentiates our
00:34:40
show is we don't the, the, the political title, Republican or
00:34:45
Democrat. This show, I don't believe it.
00:34:48
I think it's the David Copperfield of scams.
00:34:50
I think it's misdirection, you know, oh, it's the Democrats.
00:34:53
Oh, it's the Republicans. I think we've got a uniparty in
00:34:56
DCI think they're all complicit. I think many of them are
00:34:59
criminals. I think if we, if we actually
00:35:02
applied the legal statutes and the way they're supposed to, I,
00:35:04
I'd be surprised if we didn't arrest 3 or 400 of them.
00:35:08
Well, I know we've got to take a short break.
00:35:09
When we come back, we're going to be here with Stacy talking
00:35:12
about the USEPAI don't know if they can fix it.
00:35:14
They're still maintaining that glycophate is not likely to be a
00:35:18
carcinogenic to humans, which is clearly a lie.
00:35:20
With 150 lawsuits against Baron Monsanto alone, $11
00:35:25
billion in settlement, I think it's a concurrent criminal
00:35:27
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Don't go now because we got pesticides to talk about bad
00:41:45
stuff. Yeah.
00:41:47
So for anybody that's just joining us, I see we got some
00:41:50
more live views going on that came in you.
00:41:52
You know what we're talking about.
00:41:53
We're talking about the chemicals that are in everyday
00:41:55
use, glyphosate being one of them.
00:41:58
And of course, we're going to be talking about here in a little
00:42:00
bit chemicals that you're slathering on your bodies and
00:42:03
don't realize the impact. You know, I don't trust
00:42:06
government agencies in general. I think a lot of them have been
00:42:09
compromised in their own way. We've got private institutions
00:42:12
like the Federal Reserve controlling our money.
00:42:14
The EPA says they're going to protect us.
00:42:16
But since 2020 and still today, even under RFK Junior and you
00:42:20
know, this show is a Mayhaw show, they're saying it's that
00:42:26
glyphosate is is likely to not be carcinogenic to humans when a
00:42:31
court when used according to label directions.
00:42:35
Well, that position of course has been heavily criticized.
00:42:38
That agency relied heavily on unpublished industry submitted.
00:42:43
You heard that right. Industry submitted studies and
00:42:46
dismissed all the independent studies.
00:42:49
Well, with 150 lawsuits and counting and that's just for
00:42:55
Bayer and Monsanto. We're not talking about these
00:42:57
other companies jury verdicts. How the hell can the EPA be in
00:43:00
such denial, Stacy? They seem to be, and I'm going
00:43:03
to be crude here for a second. To me, they seem like they're
00:43:05
full of shit. It's a deeply, deeply.
00:43:09
Problematic system. And EPA, as you said, relies
00:43:13
almost entirely on industry data for pesticides.
00:43:16
And as I reported last week, a key study was retracted that
00:43:20
they relied on that claim to be independent.
00:43:23
Turns out it was ghost written by Monsanto.
00:43:26
The EPA's not everyone's known that for eight years or more
00:43:30
because it came out in the trials in the Monsanto
00:43:33
documents, which is another reason, by the way, where they
00:43:35
don't want people suing them because it it it releases all
00:43:39
the corporate secrets into the public sphere.
00:43:42
And when juries read what the companies knew, when they knew
00:43:46
it, they're giving huge awards to people who are suing them
00:43:49
because they have cancer. So the EPA, I mean for many
00:43:54
decades the EP as OPP Office of Pesticide Programs has sided
00:44:00
with pesticide companies over human health.
00:44:03
They use industry data. Industry data is corrupt.
00:44:07
That retracted study is just the tip of the iceberg in Monsanto
00:44:12
ghost written studies. And this is as we see in other
00:44:17
trials involving other pesticides.
00:44:18
It's the same story. Companies knew, they covered up.
00:44:22
They ginned up science to distract.
00:44:24
And in this way, they get the EPA to say their products are
00:44:29
safe. So it's been a problem for
00:44:32
decades. I want to say though, it's a
00:44:34
problem on steroids right now, under this administration, they
00:44:39
are allowing new pesticides with PFAS forever chemicals.
00:44:43
That's just alarming. Allowing dicamba to be used
00:44:49
across the Midwest. Now.
00:44:51
Again, these examples PFAS, dicamba clear record that
00:44:56
companies knew that in the case of PFAS, serious reproductive
00:45:01
health harms, dicamba killed crops for millions of farmers,
00:45:06
farmers lost 10s of millions of dollars, dicamba pesticides
00:45:10
drifting because of the GMO crops And Monsanto emails show
00:45:15
they well they knew that was going to happen and they just
00:45:17
are going for the profit. So what are we going to do?
00:45:20
I mean, I had pre-existing. I want to jump in there.
00:45:23
Just so I want to make it clear, I didn't mean to cut you off.
00:45:25
I just want to say for the audience that pre-existing
00:45:28
knowledge that's criminal when you know pre-existing that
00:45:32
something is causing damage and you continue to do that, that
00:45:38
shows that you got the and I say the Mens re again, you have the
00:45:41
mental state that you want to cover this up.
00:45:44
If there are emails being released, that ought to be
00:45:46
enough for this administration to say, hey, by the way, I'm I'm
00:45:48
you're not going to be able to use that product anymore here in
00:45:50
the United States. We're canceling all of them.
00:45:53
So don't bring it here. Go anywhere else you want, but
00:45:55
don't bring it here to the United States.
00:45:57
You know, I want to give this to the audience and Stacy, any I
00:46:00
look some of this stuff up. So if I'm wrong on any areas, I
00:46:03
want you to correct me because of course I'm not the experts
00:46:05
you are. Listen closely in the audience.
00:46:09
CDC, which I don't trust the CDC either.
00:46:12
I would imagine this number is even higher.
00:46:14
But maybe this is accurate. Bio monitoring finds glyphosate
00:46:19
in the urine of 80% of Americans tested, including children.
00:46:24
They found it in breast milk, blood, cord blood of newborns.
00:46:30
We're finding that endocrine disruption, it's disrupting
00:46:34
hormones. You wonder why there's so many
00:46:36
beta males. You wonder why transgenderism,
00:46:38
which we didn't see any of that as a child.
00:46:40
When I was a child, you might have seen one.
00:46:43
Now they act as if it's on every corner of the planet.
00:46:47
You know that it's disrupting the hormones, it's affecting our
00:46:50
reproductive development. You already know that we're not
00:46:52
reducing our, you know, producing our population the way
00:46:55
they should. Is this part of a bigger, you
00:46:57
know, idea for depopulation, eugenics?
00:47:00
I don't know. Thyroid function.
00:47:02
So many people struggling with thyroids not working,
00:47:05
testosterone, estrogen balance. Am I right about what I just
00:47:09
said, Stacy, is this accurate, the numbers or are they even
00:47:11
worse than what I just said? It's absolutely accurate that
00:47:14
more people. Are getting cancer.
00:47:16
More young people are having trouble getting pregnant.
00:47:19
Young people have problems with thyroid.
00:47:21
I had thyroid surgery in my 20s and I I asked my surgeon why and
00:47:26
he said he did thousands of thyroid removals on women in
00:47:30
their 20s in the Massachusetts area.
00:47:32
And I said why? Could it be because I grew up
00:47:36
near the largest incinerator in the state, you know, burning all
00:47:40
kinds of toxic trash? He didn't know.
00:47:43
I mean, because we're not tracking these patterns as well
00:47:47
as we could and should. We certainly have the
00:47:50
technological capacity to track closely track these health
00:47:53
trends. And a lot of that is even
00:47:55
covered up. Yeah.
00:47:57
We're living in a toxic world with exposures, many, many toxic
00:48:01
exposures that could be reduced. And there are ways that we can
00:48:05
do that in our own homes. I think that's important to
00:48:09
know. Just less is better than more
00:48:11
when it comes to synthetic industrial chemicals, plastics
00:48:16
and organic food is is going to give you less exposure than
00:48:19
conventional. And certainly whenever possible,
00:48:23
avoiding ultra processed foods, sodas, you know, drink water,
00:48:29
eat the apple, things that we can do to just make our lives
00:48:33
better and reduce these exposures for our kids.
00:48:35
And and you brought up wheat. I would say I think that's a #1
00:48:38
product area to buy organic when you can, if you can afford it.
00:48:43
But you know, we do. We still need the systemic
00:48:46
fixes. We need the government to get
00:48:49
involved, I think, because I don't see how else you rein in
00:48:52
these thug corporations. I agree with you.
00:48:55
It's criminal. I I but but you know what
00:48:58
happens in these cases? People sue the companies spend
00:49:03
billions, they eventually move on to another product, but
00:49:06
nobody gets fired. The companies keep going.
00:49:11
It's a real firing is not enough for me when I think.
00:49:13
You have criminal, nobody goes to jail.
00:49:16
Yeah. And that's.
00:49:16
My point I think when you have criminal intent.
00:49:18
Which we're clearly identifying criminal tent.
00:49:21
It's the greed, you know, and everybody always wants to point
00:49:23
the finger. Let's point it at the drugs.
00:49:25
Let's point it over here. Criminal intent can happen in
00:49:27
corporate, you know, in the corporate environment over and
00:49:29
over again. But they, they swing such a
00:49:32
large financial investment in politics and that's how they
00:49:37
control it, you know, and George, I'm going to ask you
00:49:39
this. I when I grew up in New York, I
00:49:41
remember, you know, and this is the environmental damage I want
00:49:46
to refer to. And you guys as children
00:49:47
probably know this. I remember these massive
00:49:49
butterfly populations in New York.
00:49:51
I used to see the monarch butterflies and and the swallows
00:49:55
and they were, they were everywhere.
00:49:56
You saw butterflies everywhere. I remember these little gnats
00:49:59
that were really annoying. They used to get sweaty in New
00:50:01
York and these little gnats would fly into your ears and all
00:50:03
over your face when you're running around and out in the
00:50:05
yard. I don't see it anymore.
00:50:07
The butterfly population. I don't, I see very few
00:50:09
butterflies here in Colorado. Even when you plant butterfly
00:50:13
favorable plants that people don't realize when they kill the
00:50:17
milkweed. That's why why the monarch
00:50:19
butterfly population is collapsing.
00:50:22
They aren't aware of it. George, you notice that you see
00:50:24
less insects in New Jersey and I always lead to this, that the
00:50:28
people don't realize these insects are they're cross
00:50:30
pollinators. They're important.
00:50:32
We mentioned the honey bee populations and really the honey
00:50:35
bees are under attack. It's and if we lose those honey
00:50:38
bees, we're all dead. People don't recognize that that
00:50:40
that pollination by honey bees and bumblebees.
00:50:44
George, do you see less insects when you're around?
00:50:46
Because I see it wherever I go that they don't just don't seem
00:50:48
to be as prevalent. I couldn't tell you the last
00:50:50
time I seen a butterfly by. Me and I live in the suburbs,
00:50:53
but even like bees, like you just said, you know, I don't
00:50:56
even see bees like that anymore. You know what I do see, though?
00:50:59
A lot of mosquitoes. They're around.
00:51:04
Yeah, lots of mosquitoes. That, you know, because of
00:51:07
course they're, they're feeding on a different product.
00:51:09
Well, well, what's his name? Well, yeah, you can blame.
00:51:13
You can blame Gates and. Others for mosquito releases
00:51:15
that are supposedly going to be beneficial and we wonder what
00:51:18
they're really doing. I don't trust Bill Gates at all.
00:51:21
I don't need Bill Gates deciding what?
00:51:23
I'm sorry, what'd you say? I don't trust Bill Gates either.
00:51:26
I've reported. A lot about Bill Gates and what
00:51:29
he's up to on again, genetically.
00:51:31
Let's talk about that scumbag for a.
00:51:33
Minute, Here's a guy that acts like he's a scientist literally
00:51:36
using his money. He wants to inoculate us, you
00:51:40
know, with his appeal product. He wants to convert the lettuce.
00:51:43
He wants everything to be pre inoculated that we're going to
00:51:46
put into our body. I'll bet you he's not eating any
00:51:48
of this food. He's probably got his
00:51:50
billionaire paid for chef and he's probably got organic
00:51:54
products coming into his home. I understand that his children
00:51:56
aren't vaccinated at all. They've always tried to cover
00:51:59
that up. That's at least what's in the
00:52:00
press. Let's talk about him, because I
00:52:02
think he's a piece of shit. I don't like him, I don't trust
00:52:06
him, and I don't want him making any decisions for me or my
00:52:09
family. As a matter of fact, it was up
00:52:11
to me. He'd be sitting in federal
00:52:12
prison for the rest of his life, and I would be shutting down the
00:52:15
Gates Foundation and not allowing it to operate here in
00:52:18
the United States. He has enormous, enormous.
00:52:22
Unaccountable power on a global scale over public health
00:52:25
decisions over Food and Agriculture.
00:52:28
And yeah, as you said, he's not a scientist.
00:52:31
He's not even looking at the data his own foundation gins up
00:52:35
showing that his programs don't work.
00:52:38
And yet they're spending not only Gates Foundation money and
00:52:41
my expertise and reporting has been on their agricultural
00:52:45
development programs, a lot of which is focused on Africa.
00:52:48
And Africa is really like the last undeveloped monoculture,
00:52:52
you know, agriculture space still a lot of traditional
00:52:56
farmers growing local crops. And the Gates Foundation is in
00:52:59
there trying to force African farmers to switch to these high
00:53:04
chemical, expensive mono crop systems to, to grow corn and soy
00:53:10
as a way to feed the world. But what it really does is it
00:53:13
feeds the profits of Agri business companies and companies
00:53:17
that Gates Foundation is invested in.
00:53:19
He, he has sort of this maniacal desire to genetically engineer
00:53:24
and patent all of life and continues to claim like it's,
00:53:28
it's going to do these wonderful things.
00:53:29
Well, it hasn't over decades lived up to any of the promises
00:53:33
that they said it would. And and nobody's able to hold
00:53:37
this man accountable. There are just literally no
00:53:40
avenues to hold them accountable.
00:53:43
And and somehow he's being by some as a hero.
00:53:46
You know, money buys power and. Ultimate power corrupts.
00:53:49
I have as a as a as a young guy from the Bronx, I still have a
00:53:53
little bit of a Bronx thug in me.
00:53:55
I have a maniacal interest in punching Bill Gates in the face.
00:53:58
It's hard for me not to feel like that often, but I, you
00:54:02
know, I want to make sure we cover a little bit more of your
00:54:05
areas of expertise. I know we've we've run the clock
00:54:08
because we could go on and on about this.
00:54:10
Let's talk about some of the books you've written.
00:54:13
You know, you co-authored a book, not nice, the story of the
00:54:16
Campaign for Safe Cosmetics and you came out with another one
00:54:19
after that. Let's get dig into the cosmetic
00:54:22
industry because it's not much different than the agricultural
00:54:25
industry. I don't like their animal
00:54:27
testing. I'd like all that to be dead
00:54:30
stop. I think it's horrendous that we
00:54:31
torture animals, you know, with the desire to somehow come up
00:54:36
with the next skin plumper or some idea that's going to, you
00:54:40
know, slow the aging clock because people chase it, the
00:54:44
Kardashians push it, social media pushes it, that beauty is
00:54:48
the only priority. But of course, we can touch.
00:54:50
We can torture monkeys, We can torture beagles.
00:54:53
But that's OK because I'm going to look better.
00:54:55
Let's talk about some of that. Well, what my book came out in
00:54:59
2. 1007 still relevant. Unfortunately with it's it's
00:55:02
even worse what we know now, but many of the products we put on
00:55:06
our bodies, our face, our skin, on our children in the bath
00:55:10
contain chemicals known to be toxic that disrupt hormones
00:55:14
linked to cancer are bad for our skin.
00:55:16
What are some of the worst ones if you don't mind?
00:55:18
Naming them some of the ones that maybe the audience doesn't
00:55:21
know about. You know, we heard some
00:55:22
horrendous things about baby powder and asbestos in baby
00:55:26
powder. But let's talk, we'll talk about
00:55:28
maybe some of the ones that have really gone to the court system
00:55:30
and have already been proven to be dangerous that are still on
00:55:33
the shelves and still being sold to us.
00:55:36
Well, talc based baby. Powder or any talc based
00:55:39
cosmetics is a huge concern because it's often contaminated
00:55:43
with asbestos. And yeah, Johnson and Johnson's
00:55:46
been sued over that and again, billions of dollars in jury
00:55:49
payouts because the documents showed that they knew that talc
00:55:54
was contaminated with asbestos. Some, some of it and, and they,
00:55:58
they did nothing according to what the, the company, according
00:56:02
to what the jury's decided on in these trials as that information
00:56:06
came out, they did take talc out of baby powder in the US.
00:56:10
They finally took it out of their supplies globally.
00:56:13
They now use cornstarch. But still that calls into
00:56:18
question to me all of that company's products.
00:56:21
They've been sued many times over many products, but talc in
00:56:26
anything and it it will be in eyeshadow, it's in some face
00:56:30
powders. It's still used widely in the
00:56:32
cosmetics industry. So that's something to avoid and
00:56:35
especially for babies. I would say fragrance.
00:56:38
Fragrance has many hormone disrupting chemicals.
00:56:42
I stopped using it years ago and now I can't stand it.
00:56:46
It's like your your body knows that there's something not right
00:56:49
with the synthetic fragrances. Some of the preservatives that
00:56:52
are used widely contained formaldehyde, but they don't say
00:56:57
formaldehyde. It's names like DMDM, hydantoin.
00:57:03
Is that, is that the same product with a new name?
00:57:06
Is that what they've done? Or they, you know, what are the
00:57:08
tricks in the chemical industries and these different
00:57:11
chemical companies that are producing these products, they
00:57:13
love to just change one bond on the chemical structure.
00:57:17
They'll add an extra oxygen or something else.
00:57:19
And then all of a sudden they say it's a different name.
00:57:21
But in truth, it's the same structure.
00:57:23
It's the same thing in the in the narcotics industry.
00:57:26
They can change the chemical go by and we're seeing a lot of
00:57:28
synthetical because of course you had fentanyl,
00:57:31
methamphetamine, then you have car fentanyl.
00:57:33
They just are completely tweaking the system hoping to
00:57:35
get under the radar so they can import the product until the, of
00:57:39
course, the DEA or others figure it out.
00:57:41
Is that standard? Are they doing the same thing in
00:57:43
the chemical industries where they just put a new wrapper on
00:57:46
the same day? Well, yes, and and.
00:57:51
One of the things that we learned, well, first of all the
00:57:53
labeling is bad Fragrances don't need to be labeled at all.
00:57:56
They just put fragrance on the package.
00:57:58
So avoiding that is good. But one of the things we found
00:58:01
in our research and we did a broad sweep of what's in the
00:58:05
cosmetics that we can find and and build a database where
00:58:09
people could search up what's in their products and how toxic is
00:58:12
it. So we have a good data set for
00:58:15
what companies use, what they've been using.
00:58:18
And one of the surprising things to me was the products really
00:58:21
haven't changed over decades. It's the same old chemical
00:58:25
formulations. They just put new packaging and
00:58:28
new wild, untrue bullshit claims.
00:58:32
Like, for example, products that are labeled hypoallergenic may
00:58:36
have tons of allergens. You know, skin aging creams are
00:58:41
toxic to the skin. These this is an industry that's
00:58:46
not to be trusted. And you alluded to this earlier,
00:58:49
but I just want to speak for the women here and say, you know,
00:58:52
since the time we're born, we're bombarded with messages about
00:58:55
how we have to look different and, you know, look certain
00:58:59
ways. Plumper lips, lighter skin,
00:59:02
straighter hair, blonder hair, darker hair, whatever it is,
00:59:05
whatever the messages are now, it's like massive plastic
00:59:09
surgery, you know, to keep up with this standard that we just
00:59:13
need to, to reject these toxic messages and the toxic products
00:59:18
that these companies are selling us.
00:59:21
Yes, local companies and companies I can trust is the
00:59:25
beauty company and. You know, of course the, you
00:59:29
know, anti ageing products and all the rest of the stuff that
00:59:32
has to do with us having a better appearance, a more
00:59:35
appealing appearance. Of course everybody wants to
00:59:37
look like the next influencer, whether they're pumping plastic
00:59:40
into their BBL or or slathering themselves with something that's
00:59:45
going to. Are they using the same
00:59:47
playbook? Because it seems to me like they
00:59:48
are. If they fund the friend, they
00:59:50
fund all the friendly science. You know, on the friendly
00:59:53
reports they attack the independence science, they
00:59:56
create the third party front groups, they work with the
00:59:59
lobbyists against regulation that's going to impact them.
01:00:02
Would you say the beauty industry is identical to the
01:00:05
agricultural industry and far as what playbook they're using so
01:00:09
that we don't know that when we buy the newest and hottest
01:00:12
product? That's going to reduce a lines
01:00:15
or maybe get rid of that brow when we you know, maybe it's
01:00:18
Botox or otherwise. Is it the same playbook?
01:00:20
Am I recognizing the same thing here because it sure seems
01:00:22
identical to me. It is the same playbook and you
01:00:25
describe that well my. Second big published piece was a
01:00:30
report called Merchants of Poison that lays out the
01:00:33
pesticide industry playbook on exactly what you said.
01:00:36
Attacking scientists, attacking journalists, paying front groups
01:00:40
with sciency or friendly sounding names to sound like
01:00:45
they're pro consumer, but they're actually working
01:00:47
straight up product defense for industry.
01:00:50
I'm corrupting the scientific record, etcetera.
01:00:52
I would say that it's the same. I would also say that the beauty
01:00:56
industry is not as sophisticated at it, the pesticide industry.
01:01:00
And I was surprised when I moved from working on beauty products
01:01:04
and I talked to probably over 1000 reporters about that issue.
01:01:08
And then when I I started to talk to even some of the same
01:01:11
people in the media about agricultural pesticides, they,
01:01:15
they just didn't want to hear it.
01:01:17
It was an entirely different scene.
01:01:18
The pesticide industry has done a thorough job of completely
01:01:23
infiltrating government, professional societies,
01:01:28
universities. It's really astonishing and it's
01:01:32
upsetting, but I also keep coming back to the point of they
01:01:36
are desperate. They're against the ropes.
01:01:38
The business model can't continue.
01:01:40
So we need to create new systems.
01:01:43
And I think in the chaos that we're experiencing now, you
01:01:47
know, there are many opportunities to to do that.
01:01:50
I do think government needs to be a part of it to to serve the
01:01:54
people, to serve public health rather than serving pesticide
01:01:58
companies. So there are some actions we
01:02:00
need to take there. Can I ask you?
01:02:02
I want to interrupt you for a minute, Can I ask you?
01:02:05
Have you? And I'm sure he knows, but have
01:02:07
you had direct contact with RFK junior or people that are close
01:02:12
to him in the administration? Or maybe somehow you're getting
01:02:15
a push in the right direction here because we we haven't had
01:02:18
an opportunity. RFK has been the most outspoken,
01:02:21
you know, individual in that department ever.
01:02:24
I think he's the least compromised.
01:02:27
They've unfairly attacked him. Of course, they try to take
01:02:29
advantage of his disability. They always like to talk over
01:02:32
him, which makes me angry. I think he needs an enforcer.
01:02:36
When he goes into Congress. When somebody tries to talk over
01:02:38
to him, they should go over and slap that congressional member
01:02:41
in the face to stop them from talking over, because I think
01:02:44
it's rude. I think they do it intentionally
01:02:46
because they know they've got an advantage when it comes to that.
01:02:48
But have you had any direct contact with him?
01:02:50
Is he aware of a lot of the reporting, the information
01:02:53
you've written, your books? I haven't personally but I have
01:02:57
with some of his. Staff members and I and they are
01:02:59
aware and in fact, RFK had the Children's Health Defense
01:03:04
Organization and they have their media outlet called the
01:03:07
Defender. They run many of our stories
01:03:10
from US. Right to know.
01:03:11
He's very aware of the data and the science, especially on
01:03:15
glyphosate. He was involved in those trials.
01:03:18
And I think, I think we we share a lot of the same beliefs about
01:03:22
the need to rein in these companies.
01:03:24
I really wonder, though, how much power does he have in this
01:03:27
administration? Had to really ask that question
01:03:30
when the Trump DOJ went to bat for Bayer, asking the Supreme
01:03:34
Court to take away our rights to sue companies.
01:03:38
That's just, that's horrendous, absolutely horrifying.
01:03:41
And. So.
01:03:44
What's happening with RFK? What kind of power does he have
01:03:47
there and what's he going to do about it?
01:03:49
Yeah, this administration, I I'm not a big.
01:03:52
Fan of the DOJ overall, let alone that I think Pam Bondi has
01:03:57
spent far too much time on Fox News.
01:04:00
I caught on this show, we call her the Fox News AG.
01:04:04
I don't I don't think the DOJ is what people think it is.
01:04:08
Sometimes people try to act that a 98% conviction rate makes the
01:04:11
DOJ the best performing, you know, organization within our
01:04:16
federal government. And I would say no, I think it's
01:04:18
because they cheat, they lie, they connive, they misconstrue,
01:04:22
they misinterpret the law intentionally.
01:04:24
I think a lot of it's got to do with why their conviction rate,
01:04:27
what is it is because they've been allowed to do it.
01:04:29
There's no consequences. Why the Department of Justice
01:04:32
would stand up for these massive companies and say, Oh, no, we
01:04:35
don't want you to sue them because then they can't do the
01:04:38
good work they're doing. It's not good work.
01:04:40
Even an American company. It's Germany.
01:04:43
It's it's outrageous. It is outrageous.
01:04:46
I want to talk about for a minute.
01:04:48
I want to talk. About the documentaries, you've
01:04:49
done a ton of them. And I want to say pre emptively
01:04:52
to the audience, I'm not a fan of Sean Penn.
01:04:54
I don't like that he got paid to go to Ukraine.
01:04:56
I don't like his political message because I think it's
01:04:59
misconstrued and I do believe it's monetized.
01:05:02
But he has done some good work. I've got to say this.
01:05:05
You were in the Human Experiment and you were also on HBO's Not
01:05:09
So Pretty. Maybe the audience.
01:05:12
How did you feel about the presentation in those?
01:05:14
Did you feel like it was honest work?
01:05:16
Do you feel like it benefits the public to go out and watch these
01:05:19
to maybe help them with their education?
01:05:22
Absolutely. These are are phenomenal.
01:05:25
Documentaries and the Human Experiment looks at the many,
01:05:28
many toxic exposures that we have in our lives.
01:05:31
I talked in that film about how we went after Johnson and
01:05:35
Johnson through my group at the time, the Campaign for Safe
01:05:38
Cosmetics, because they were using formaldehyde in baby
01:05:42
shampoo, formaldehyde and one for dioxane, also a carcinogen,
01:05:46
in their baby shampoo. We knew from testing which was
01:05:50
advertised as, you know, the safest and the best.
01:05:53
And for two years we went and met with the company with like
01:05:57
the American Nurses Association and other experts and said, hey,
01:06:01
you're making other products in other countries already, you
01:06:06
know, with the don't have these chemicals, can't you do it here?
01:06:09
And they wouldn't do it. We finally went out and bought
01:06:12
Johnson's baby shampoo in 13 different countries and showed
01:06:16
we actually just put together a short report showing the
01:06:20
European versions of Johnson's baby shampoo didn't have the
01:06:24
carcinogenic formaldehyde, but the US version did.
01:06:27
And it was different in different countries.
01:06:29
Some did, some didn't. US, Canada, Mexico all had it.
01:06:34
European countries did not. Within an hour of an Associated
01:06:38
Press reporter calling the company, they were announcing
01:06:42
that they were reformulating their products worldwide.
01:06:45
So that's what public attention can do and pressure from the
01:06:49
media and and that's that's why I'm so committed to the public's
01:06:52
right to know because I think we do have the power to change
01:06:56
these companies. The not so pretty on HBO was
01:06:59
also focused on Johnson and Johnson, and that was the talc
01:07:03
and asbestos trials and the very first woman to sue them for
01:07:07
getting ovarian cancer. And she was a nurse and she
01:07:11
looked at the risk factors for ovarian cancer and she didn't
01:07:14
have any of them except it said use of talc based powders and
01:07:20
she was using talc powder for like daily for 30 years.
01:07:26
So she's Johnson and Johnson and that and it's a very dramatic
01:07:30
story because it actually in the end she was offered a settlement
01:07:34
of $1 and she turned it down and said I'm going through
01:07:38
with this trial. This company needs to change.
01:07:41
And in the end, that jury found the company guilty but awarded
01:07:45
$0.00 to this. Unbelievable.
01:07:48
You know that happens more than not.
01:07:50
So my lawyers are the ones that went.
01:07:53
After Johnson Johnson for the baby powder, tac powder.
01:07:55
They're also the the ones that started in Flint, MI, the water,
01:08:00
the. Lead in the water, but.
01:08:02
So I have a question for parents watching right right now who
01:08:05
feel like overwhelmed because a lot of information can be
01:08:09
overwhelming for some, What are the three simplest changes they
01:08:12
can make today to reduce their family's exposure to pesticides
01:08:18
and ultra processed foods? I would say eat organic food.
01:08:23
As much as you can and especially for kids, especially
01:08:27
wheat products and and and certain fruits and vegetables
01:08:32
are more have more pesticides than others. ewg.org has good
01:08:37
information on that. Number two, I would say reduce
01:08:41
the use of plastic in your home wherever you can.
01:08:44
Food packaging, shower curtains, stinky plastics, plastic toys,
01:08:49
lots of chemicals leaching from those products #3 I would say
01:08:54
like drink water instead of soda and, and get a good, good water
01:08:58
filter in your home. I mean, those are three things
01:09:01
that will substantially reduce toxic exposures.
01:09:04
It doesn't fix the problem because these problems are
01:09:07
ubiquitous. We have lots of information at
01:09:09
usrtk.org. We do fact sheets on chemicals
01:09:13
of concern so you can look up different chemicals and and also
01:09:17
we expose front groups, which I think is really important for,
01:09:22
for the public understanding that a lot of information
01:09:25
sources that we thought we trusted turned out to be coming
01:09:28
straight from the corporations. Let me ask you this.
01:09:32
You know Stacey, because of course.
01:09:33
We, we're, we're running over here.
01:09:35
We're out of time. I know we could go on and on.
01:09:37
You know, we'll have to have you back on.
01:09:39
Maybe we'll have you on the radio show also, because I think
01:09:41
this is so important, educating. Our plan always on this show is
01:09:45
educate and unify the country one episode at a time.
01:09:48
We don't play in, we're not bought off.
01:09:50
We don't play in like mainstream media or any of these big agency
01:09:53
groups. What's the one piece of
01:09:55
legislation or maybe even policy change that you think would do
01:10:00
the most to fix America's broken chemical and food safety system?
01:10:05
What's the message to give Donald Trump right now or the
01:10:08
administration? What's the one thing that needs
01:10:10
to happen now immediately? And this would have a dramatic
01:10:14
impact on the entire country That that's a great question and
01:10:18
a hard one. Get corporate money out of
01:10:22
politics would be #1 and I think as far as pesticides go, I think
01:10:27
we need to completely overhaul and refamp the EPA to be using
01:10:31
modern science to make decisions about pesticides, including
01:10:35
independent science, looking at chemical mixtures.
01:10:38
The government scientists are important because if if we're
01:10:41
not as a public funding science, who's funding it?
01:10:45
It's the corporations. And that's what's happened at
01:10:47
the universities as as public funding has gone down, pesticide
01:10:51
industry funding has gone up. And so they're controlling
01:10:54
research agendas, what scientists study and and what
01:10:57
gets published. So we need to have public
01:11:00
resources devoted to science and we need to do it in a way that
01:11:03
uses modern science, not just ghostwritten crappy industry
01:11:08
science, which is what current safety assessments are based on.
01:11:12
So that's my hope. And I think we need to do those
01:11:15
deeper systemic changes. It's not just a policy, but
01:11:20
fixing the systems that we count on to help us understand what
01:11:25
science is telling us. Yeah, follow the money, the
01:11:28
corruption. Always follows the money and I
01:11:30
agree with you. You know me personally, I pass
01:11:33
an executive order that the lobbying is no longer allowed
01:11:37
and especially the investment by these big companies and these
01:11:41
powerful institutions that should be completely removed
01:11:43
from politics. Of course, politics overly
01:11:46
funded. When you think about the fact
01:11:48
that these congressional members have campaigns, they're spending
01:11:51
millions and millions and millions of dollars to get
01:11:54
elected for a job that pays $174 a year, doesn't make a
01:11:58
lot of sense. So there's got to be another
01:12:00
reason. OK.
01:12:01
So of course it's the greed, it's the power, it's the insider
01:12:04
trading. Yeah.
01:12:05
Also stop them investing. Stop them investing in stock.
01:12:09
Markets. They, they, they, Yeah, there's
01:12:11
so many problems of corruption with money and politics.
01:12:15
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, let's face it, the DOJ.
01:12:17
Following on the, you know, filing in the Supreme Court to
01:12:22
the benefit of a foreign institution, you have to think
01:12:25
to yourself, that's got to do with the lobbying and money
01:12:27
because why is the DOJ even involved in a policy that's
01:12:30
going to infect foreign companies?
01:12:33
I can give a shit about foreign companies.
01:12:35
I really, I don't care about it. But that tells you everything
01:12:38
that you need to know about the corruption.
01:12:39
So Stacey, I want to give you a chance just to promote your
01:12:42
social media, promote any, promote your books where they
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01:12:48
helps you get this message out because of course, that's what
01:12:51
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So this is your shameless plug moment.
01:12:56
So go for it. Don't hold back.
01:12:58
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01:13:00
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01:13:02
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