THE BIG MIG SHOW
APRIL 09, 2026
EPISODE 812 – 11AM
Retired Lt. Col. Anthony (Tony) Shaffer is a New York Times bestselling author, CIA-trained senior intelligence operations officer, and President of the London Center for Policy Research. With over 35 years in global and national security—including command of classified units and multiple deployments—he is a recognized expert on counterterrorism, intelligence, and strategic policy. https://www.coloneltonyshaffer.com
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It's going to be retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony
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Schaefer. So we've got a bunch of stories
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to cover, a bunch of interesting stuff.
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George, did you catch what's going on with this arrest, this
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Delta Force arrest? I did This is a ex Army
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employee. She's kind of hot looking too.
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She's 40 years old. Her name's Williams.
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She's from North Carolina and she had from 2010 up until
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recently or 2010 to 2016 with top secret clearance on Delta
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Force operations. She got indicted Tuesday for
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sending Mark secret information to a journalist, Seth Harp.
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And this, I know, I thought this had something to do with the
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thing in Israel, but it's not. This is this happened between
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2022 and 2025. And dumb enough it appeared in
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his book, his 2025 book, also in a political article.
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So detailing unit tactics, drug issues and abuses.
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She's also a whistleblower. I don't know if she's trying to
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go after them or suing them, suing the military or something
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too. So there was some, some weird
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shit going on with her. This is at Fort Bragg.
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It's interesting the journalist is is I'm kind of surprised they
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didn't arrest the journalist. But again, I don't know that
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he's going to be held liable for what she did.
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But it's interesting, a lot of people are saying that she
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became a whistleblower and that is why they went after her.
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I don't know what kind of what the length is of national
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security that was leaked. This, this journalist, I think
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his last name is Harp. It's interesting just what's
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going on here with this. And you always wonder sometimes
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when they go after somebody. When I first heard about it,
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they hadn't disclosed your name and what the content was.
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I thought it was going to be something else.
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I made an assumption and thought in my head, I wonder, I wonder
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if they're going out there something.
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Else. You know what happens when you
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assume something you understand. Ass out of you and me.
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Yeah, well, I'm not going to let you assume because you're not
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going to make an ass out of me, bro.
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Well. Let's do this.
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Just letting you know, I'm just going to.
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Say the clip. What clip?
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We've got a clip there where? Right there in the story.
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I don't even know you did that. Yep, got a clip.
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Son of a Kong. Hold on, I got to get it.
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I didn't know you got the clip. And I'm going to give our guest
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a quick call while you're doing that.
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Yeah, why don't you do that? I'll get the clip, people.
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Sorry, Lance, you got to talk while I do this because we don't
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want to leave our peoples hanging.
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But I was actually just trying to get another clip for us too,
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but no problem. All right, peeps Lance, here we
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go. Security clearance while she
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worked with Delta Force there with the Army in Fort Bragg.
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She's the whistle blower that called out the maltreatment that
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she was experiencing while working there.
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But the feds believe she was giving away a lot more than just
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workplace secrets, secrets that could have put soldiers lives at
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risk. For eight years, Courtney
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Williams worked in the Army's Delta Force at Fort Bragg.
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Behind the scenes, worked to help maintain cover for one of
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the military's most secretive groups.
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But now she's being accused of leaking top secret information
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to a journalist that could have put soldiers lives at risk.
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Williams was quoted in Seth Harp's book The Fort Bragg
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Cartel. My book is critical of the of
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the of these institutions because I think that waging war
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and secrecy. For 20 years gives rise to a
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host of cultural problems. It's still over in the
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communities like federal. WRAL interviewed Harp about the
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book in October. Williams was quoted extensively
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when referring to a toxic work environment within Delta Force
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where she claims she was sexually harassed and
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discriminated against while also sharing information about work
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she would do. A criminal complaint filed today
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indicates she had concerns about how Harp's reporting could
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affect her. Telling her mother I might
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actually get rested and also telling Harp I would definitely
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have been concerned with the amount of classified information
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being disclosed. She continued saying in part,
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I'm taking deep breaths but have a feeling this is going to be
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more of a nightmare for my children than not.
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Harp declined an interview but sent me a statement calling this
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a vindictive act of retaliation and saying, in part, former
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Delta Force operators disclose National Defense information on
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podcasts and YouTube shows every day.
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But the government is going after Courtney for this sole
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reason that she exposed sexual harassment and gender
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discrimination in the unit. So the Eastern District of North
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Carolina says they will be releasing some sort of press
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release sometime soon, but don't have a public comment to give me
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at this point. I have also reached out all.
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Right. What do you think of this broad?
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It's kind of cute. Shame.
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What a waste. But it's complicated because
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again, I'm always concerned when somebody is disclosing when
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they, when they're becoming a whistleblower.
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And again, I'm not saying that you should ever leak something
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that's considered national security.
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But I'm also curious when somebody, when the, when the
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administration, of course, the DOJ or any agency goes after one
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of their own and, and that person happens to be somebody
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that is disclosing whistleblower information like sexual
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harassment, like drug use and other things.
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She went to her superiors and got no relief.
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And then she decided to go a different route.
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That's the concerning part to me.
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You know, George, what's your, I don't know if you have a gut
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feeling about this or it's hard to say because we don't know.
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But it's interesting that here we are with somebody that was a
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whistleblower and of course, they went after and there's
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plenty of people in it in this administration, in the DOJ.
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And hold on people, for. Them to go after George isn't
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there. Whistleblower or not, if she was
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leaking information then they all they all by all means you go
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after her. Right, because I agree with.
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We can't deal with that shit because that puts our, our
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active military soldiers in jeopardy.
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And we we cannot just have that. So if she's a whistleblower
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really concerned and really trying to do the right thing,
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she knows better not to even do that.
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She should focus on whatever she's whistleblowing if there's
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something really going on and not doing the, you know, dumb
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shit like that. So I mean, I agree.
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I agree, but but you have to admit, it's always interesting
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to me how quickly they'll go after somebody that is a
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whistleblower. But yet when it comes to going
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after other individuals, other people that we know are guilty
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of multiple crimes, it seems like wah, wah, wah, you know,
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ass dragging, nothing happens. What's your take on that?
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Well, they said what does she's I mean, how it took them along
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to get to get her to get her right.
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I mean, it said what 2022 to 2025?
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So what? Let me see So were they
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investigating them for that long or did did it take them that
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long to, you know, to get I guess you know, by they wait,
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you know, when the book came out is what put the nail in the
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coffin. So I mean, hey, look, they can
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get her right, But they can't find Nancy Guthrie's mother.
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Come on. It's like it's like they choose
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pick and choose of who they're going to go out and get.
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You know what I mean? It's just.
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Selective prosecution, and that's a very valid point.
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I was going to say that. Selective prosecution.
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You beat me to the punch and I agree with it, I think.
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I think selective prosecution is the weapon.
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You know, we, we know about The Dirty 51, right?
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The, the, the, the, the, the spies who lied, The Dirty 51 + 8
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don't see any of those people getting arrested.
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You know, the Seth Rich laptop participants, all the people
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that have hidden that information.
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Of course, I don't believe Seth Rich committed suicide.
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That's what the government's take is on it.
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Nobody's getting arrested there. I mean, look at, look at, look
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at if you want to talk about national security, let's talk
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about Hillary Clinton. Look at her.
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You might want to run for president again.
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Yeah, I mean, look, a lot of people say that she is mentally
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unstable, you know, and at the end of the day, look, she
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committed lots of crimes when she used bleach bit in a hammer
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to purge her personal computer hard drive.
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You know, bleach bit is a program you can use to wipe a
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computer drive. And then she didn't take any
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chances that it could be recovered.
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She used the hammer. That's destruction of evidence.
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That's obstruction of justice. She's still walking around.
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Same thing with Barack Obama. You know, we we know he's guilty
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of many crimes, including the fact that I don't believe he was
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qualified legally to be president of the United States
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based on his history. I still don't understand how he
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ended up with a Social Security number out of, I think out of
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Connecticut. That was that was a Social
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Security number that was basically used by a different
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individual. And then somehow that individual
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passed away and Barack Obama got the Social Security number.
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You know, there's a lot of questions I have.
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And hang on a minute. I got a text here George.
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A lot of questions and no answers.
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Well, that's the US government for you, Lance.
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I mean, what do you expect? That's what they do.
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But. Tony will be joining us.
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He did have to do a hit piece on one of the contracts he has for
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that, so he'll be here by 11:30. We'll go, man.
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We just, we got shit to do. Yeah, we got plenty of cover
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here. You want to do.
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Go ahead bud, what you going to? Say so.
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I was going to say I ran right, So what?
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Do you want to talk about JD Vance first?
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I saw you. The ah, go ahead, you do it.
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Oh, I get this. Oh, I think that's a big deal.
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OK, Look, to me, this is just a very low number.
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So JD Vance, who I like. I think he's doing.
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It's a low number. Yeah, I think the 6.3 is.
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Oh, they just got started. Right, right.
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I was about to say that, but I think the number is extremely
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low. And and you know, of course, I
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think we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars
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in fraud and corruption. How much of that got funneled
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back to government officials? I have no idea.
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But I think this has become a pattern for illegal immigrants
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and foreigners. They've, they have, you know,
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identified the loopholes. So JD Vance anti Fraud Task
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Force just dropped the bombshell.
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They're calling it massive. I don't think it's massive yet,
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but I think it's a big start, a good start.
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But they've already identified 6.3 billion in potential fraud.
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And these are potentially fraudulent government contract.
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And these are contractors that have to prove, they now have 30
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days to prove the contracts. Now this, I don't know if this
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is necessarily linked to Medicaid and Medicare fraud.
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This might just be government contracts.
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We're just starting to get the details of this, but the, but
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the B, the billion has become a number that I think is almost
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low. I think we got to be thinking
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trillions here. I think fraudulent government
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contracts are a standard operating procedure.
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You know, they're, they're, they're one of those things
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that, that, that is going on regularly.
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We know there's so much fraud in our medical system.
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George made a good point yesterday.
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When are they going to arrest the guys at the leering center?
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You know, I mean, the stuff that happened in Minneapolis, we've
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seen all the information. How come there aren't hundreds
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of arrests going down, hundreds of financial seizures, hundreds
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of financial clawbacks. It's just like doge, you know,
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I'm, I'm curious, is JD Vance going to use Elon Musk's doge
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material from before Elon Musk resigned?
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Is he going to use that and go after people that stole the
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money like Chelsea Clinton, like Bill Kristol being paid $8
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million a year to post on social media?
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You know, are those guys just going to get to keep that money?
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I mean, these are social media influencers that didn't admit
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that they received money. Now I know all of a sudden,
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Georgia, did you catch this, that the administration is
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saying they're going to go after and out people that took money
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from foreign governments is real.
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Qatar, just to name a few, and others.
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And they're going to go after them if they haven't filed a
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Foreign Agency Registration Act and if they have not disclosed
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that they are being sponsored now, I'm not sure who's going to
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be. Impacted.
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Wait a minute, they're going to go after what people like, post
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for them and stuff. I I think people that have been
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paid by those governments. To post for them, yeah.
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So I'll say I'll say this, I'll say this.
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You can bet your ass that if they if they if and it's a big
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damn it if they do that, they'll go after the ones that did for
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Qatar, for the other countries before Israel.
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If anything, Israel would be last if they even do that.
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I I'm not. I don't believe that.
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Yeah. What I think is interesting, and
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I think that's a valid point, It is.
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I think that what I find interesting is there are laws on
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the books. If we have a sponsor that
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sponsors our show is paying us, We have to make you guys aware
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of that. So, you know, when we talk about
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Block Trust IRA, we talk about Genesis Gold Group or anybody
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else. If we're getting paid for a
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sponsorship and there's a, a product by law that we're
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supposed to say to you that it's a sponsored or paid post that,
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that in fact, there's even on video like we do, we tell you,
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hey, let's give a shout out to our sponsors.
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If you like to sponsor the show, we go by the letter of the law,
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George and I don't really want to get on the wrong side of of
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the government. You know, when they don't like
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what you're doing, it can happen.
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And of course, I'm not sure they're always thrilled about
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what George and I do because of course, we're truth tellers.
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We're not controlled by this government or any other
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government. And if we were sponsored by a
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government to promote and I wouldn't, you know, I'm not
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saying I wouldn't take it necessarily.
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I'm saying that I would acknowledge that to you guys.
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We would make you aware of it. And the laws that the FTC and
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the FCC have in the books make it very clear.
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And that includes people that got money from USAID.
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You'd have to say that you were sponsored by the, the, the
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federal, the US federal government.
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But they didn't Bill Kristol didn't do it.
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Many others haven't done it. They've gotten money.
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left-leaning agencies have paid lots of people.
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That includes the Krasensteins and Brooklyn Dad and JoJo from
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jurors. So many are included in that and
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they don't acknowledge it. George, what do you think the
00:19:00
consequences should be for those people?
00:19:01
Should they face jail time? Should they be investigated and
00:19:04
arrested? People are getting paid to post.
00:19:07
Well, and then aren't following the FTC and FCC guidelines and
00:19:11
laws. These are sexual statutes.
00:19:13
These are federal statutes on the books.
00:19:15
These are the obligations I'm sponsoring to pay bills.
00:19:19
How many times have we brought up on this show?
00:19:21
Let's go back to to the last presidential election.
00:19:28
Yeah. Thunder Lips, Kamala Harris.
00:19:30
How many how many musicians, actresses, actors that went and
00:19:35
spoke for her that got paid, but they never said this was
00:19:38
sponsored, this was paid or none of that.
00:19:41
How about we start with them first, I mean.
00:19:44
I like that thinking, but I, you know, I, I don't want to make an
00:19:47
exclusion. I think we should go after all
00:19:48
these people because again, I think.
00:19:50
OK, so but you have to just let me finish.
00:19:52
No, no, no, you didn't let me finish bro.
00:19:53
Like. Don't you think this is a
00:19:55
disservice to the American public when you get paid and you
00:19:58
don't acknowledge you're getting paid?
00:20:01
Yes, it is so. But all of a sudden now they
00:20:05
want to go after the people for whoever's simping for Israel,
00:20:10
Qatar, whatever, the countries, whatever.
00:20:12
But what about all the people before that that have been doing
00:20:14
it? There's no consequences.
00:20:16
They should start. They should start with them, get
00:20:20
those people and then and then go for the people that are doing
00:20:23
it. I mean, how hard can it be to
00:20:25
round up all these people? It's not that difficult.
00:20:27
I mean, but you know, this government, they take long for
00:20:31
everything. Well, and you're right about
00:20:33
that. If you're getting paid like many
00:20:36
musicians just like Megan Thee Stallion, Beyoncé, even Sean
00:20:41
Penn, for a lot of people out there, you know you might not be
00:20:44
aware of this, so make sure. You are.
00:20:47
Sean Penn got paid to go do that interview with Zelensky in
00:20:51
Ukraine. He got paid $5.
00:20:54
He never disclosed that. It never came out that he was
00:20:56
paid to do it. There were people that supported
00:20:58
Joe Biden. We understand that the rock, the
00:21:01
allegation is the rock got paid for that endorsement of Joe
00:21:04
Biden, supposedly that little 32nd shout out for Joe Biden.
00:21:09
Allegedly that was a $5 payment that got him the rock to
00:21:13
do that. And we and we've seen it.
00:21:15
You're right. I mean, I don't know if De Niro
00:21:16
is being paid. I I don't know one way or the
00:21:18
other, but it sure seems likely. And I think a lot of these
00:21:22
Hollywood types, Hollywood alleged celebrities and
00:21:27
influence, they're willing to sell their souls.
00:21:28
They don't care. They'll take a check.
00:21:30
Of course, Hollywood's in a in a complete meltdown because of AIA
00:21:34
lot of people saying that it's going away and it's going to be
00:21:37
it's never going to come back. I guess we're having a problem
00:21:45
with Tony. Let me give me a second, George,
00:21:47
take it away. I.
00:21:47
Wanna play the clip? Yeah.
00:21:51
This is new anti fraud Task force claiming it's uncovered
00:21:54
nearly $6.3 billion and questionable government
00:21:58
contracts. The task force has sent out
00:22:00
letters to about 400 companies asking for proof that they are
00:22:04
legitimate. Ayesha Hosni's on this.
00:22:06
Live in Washington. What you find out Ayesha?
00:22:09
Hey, good morning, Tia Bell. So it's potentially a huge loss
00:22:12
for you, the taxpayer, but it is a win in that if there is fraud
00:22:16
here, it will stop. The frauds are JD Vance and his
00:22:20
task force have found that the federal government was
00:22:22
apparently handing out contracts to potentially fraudulent
00:22:26
businesses. Now the task force is giving
00:22:28
these companies 30 days to prove that they are indeed real and
00:22:32
they're demanding things like handing over a physical address
00:22:36
or they risk losing their contract.
00:22:38
A spokesperson told Fox. If fraudsters are robbing
00:22:42
hardworking Americans of their tax dollars and services, we
00:22:45
will find them. And there is a lot of pressure
00:22:49
on this White House right now to root out fraud.
00:22:52
A new Fox News polling. Polling shows 53% of Americans
00:22:55
actually say government spending is wasteful and that is up
00:22:59
nearly 10 points from last year when DOGE was out there doging.
00:23:04
Just last week, AVP Vance swore in the 1st ever Assistant
00:23:07
Attorney General for National Fraud Enforcement with this
00:23:10
message to scammers everywhere. It's going to make fraudsters
00:23:15
know that they're going to suffer some consequences, and
00:23:17
it's going to make the American people know that these programs
00:23:20
are being protected for the people who need them because
00:23:22
there are a lot of them out there.
00:23:23
We want to help them, but we've got to get rid of the fraud in
00:23:26
order to do it. And Bill, the acting AG, Todd
00:23:28
Blanche, also launched the new National Fraud Enforcement
00:23:31
Division. So much more to come, Bill.
00:23:34
Thanks Aisha. Aisha Howsney watching the money
00:23:38
30 days to show them the addresses.
00:23:41
Well, I'm I'm against that. What address do they have on
00:23:45
file? Did they file when they tried to
00:23:47
get these contracts? Go verify the freaking address
00:23:49
and stuff. Go there, get it done and if
00:23:52
it's all bullshit and boom end it all lock their asses up next
00:23:58
go to the next one, next one, next one, next one.
00:23:59
It's not that hard, 30, hold on. But 30 days you can, they can,
00:24:04
you can give somebody 30 days to go find an address that says,
00:24:07
oh, we moved. Here's a new address I got Tony.
00:24:09
Just talk, Lance. Yeah, and, and, and here's the
00:24:12
thing, 30 days is a lot of time. These people could be
00:24:16
liquidating, moving money out of the country, and they could be
00:24:20
buying themselves an international ticket.
00:24:22
They could be fleeing. Regular Americans don't get 30
00:24:26
days. I can tell you that.
00:24:27
If you're under investigation and they think you're guilty,
00:24:30
they will come and kick in your front door.
00:24:33
There's not going to be any hesitation.
00:24:35
There's not going to be any reservation, There's not going
00:24:37
to be any limitation. So why these individuals
00:24:40
allegedly are being given 30 days?
00:24:44
I, I just don't understand that. I don't agree with it.
00:24:46
I don't know why anybody would be given extra time to cover
00:24:49
their tracks. So I think it's valid what
00:24:52
George said. I don't agree with 30 days.
00:24:55
Go there, we'll take a look. Just like the leering center.
00:24:58
Go take a look and decide very simply, you know, is this a
00:25:02
fraudulent entity? Pretty simple.
00:25:06
None of these, most of these businesses.
00:25:07
I mean, listen, if Nick Shirley could do it that easily and you
00:25:10
know, he, he did an amazing job. He's an investigative
00:25:12
journalist. I think he he went all in.
00:25:14
And we've got some of the top intelligence organizations in,
00:25:17
in the globe, allegedly. If we really want to get to the
00:25:20
bottom of fraud, why can't we have a special task force within
00:25:24
the FBI? They're using the plane to go to
00:25:26
events. Maybe they should use plane to
00:25:27
shuttle FBI agents around the country.
00:25:30
Let's use these intelligence organizations to find out where
00:25:32
the fraud is going on and just knock on the door.
00:25:35
Listen, somebody wants to put me on a contract, I'll go knock on
00:25:38
doors in Colorado if they want to get to the bottom of any kind
00:25:41
of fraud. Hey, Lance about.
00:25:43
Billions of dollars here. Hundreds of billions of dollars.
00:25:45
There's no reason to wait. Yes, Sir.
00:25:46
Let me bring Tony in. Yeah, absolutely.
00:25:49
All right. Welcome to the big, big show.
00:25:51
Mr. Tony Shaffer. How you doing, Sir?
00:25:55
Can you hear us? Hold on guys, I'm trying to get
00:25:57
the my speaker to work. We got you.
00:26:00
We can hear you. I'm going to give his bio for
00:26:02
the audience, maybe some people. Aren't there we go?
00:26:04
I can hear you. All right.
00:26:05
Yeah. And you guys?
00:26:06
Should be showing. You should be following Tony on
00:26:09
social media over on X EST Spooky.
00:26:12
You should be following his shows.
00:26:15
He's a real true teller. I got lucky enough to do his
00:26:17
show about a week ago. I had a great time.
00:26:20
He and I really hit it off for probably a number of reasons,
00:26:22
maybe some of the similar backgrounds we have.
00:26:24
But listen, he's a New York Times bestselling author, CIA
00:26:28
trained senior intelligence operations officer, president of
00:26:32
the London Center for Policy Research, which is a a very
00:26:36
sophisticated think tank, 35 years in global and national
00:26:40
security, including command of classified units, multiple
00:26:43
deployments. He's a recognized expert on
00:26:45
counterterrorism, intelligence and strategic policy.
00:26:48
He's a Bronze Star recipient, has contributed as an advisor
00:26:53
producer for National Geographic.
00:26:54
It's chain of command. We'll be putting up his links in
00:26:57
social media. There's lots of ways to connect
00:26:59
with Tony, I would tell you that I think.
00:27:01
There's links in the chat and under the video in a more
00:27:03
section. Lance.
00:27:04
He's a valuable guy to follow. Tony, how are you, man?
00:27:07
Yeah, I'm doing great, Lance. Thanks for having me.
00:27:09
Sorry about the technical problems, but you know how
00:27:11
technology is. Hey, George, good to meet you.
00:27:13
Good. To meet you, Tony.
00:27:14
Pleasure. Yeah, it's, it's one of those
00:27:16
things that happens. We, you know, we run into it.
00:27:18
We we we carried on as usual, like.
00:27:20
We all have to. Do because when it comes to
00:27:21
these sort of interviews, we already, so, Tony, we jumped in
00:27:26
and we already kind of discussed this.
00:27:28
Former Special Forces operator, Delta Force veteran Courtney
00:27:33
Williams. I just want to get your take on
00:27:35
it because I'm there's, I do have a concern.
00:27:37
And my concern is, you know, there are lots of people that I
00:27:43
believe if they were regular Americans would already be
00:27:45
sitting on a pretrial detention. You know, when you get a
00:27:50
whistleblower, when you get many whistleblowers, I'm always
00:27:53
worried about when they're disclosing information,
00:27:56
especially if they went up the chain of command, if they
00:27:58
already reported it. In this case, Courtney alleges
00:28:00
she did. Do you think this is
00:28:02
retaliatory? Because, of course, we're always
00:28:04
concerned about national security.
00:28:05
You and I discussed on your show the concerns about the ballroom
00:28:09
and what they disclose nationally.
00:28:11
And I thought that was disastrous.
00:28:12
It never should have happened about the underground facility
00:28:16
below the ballroom. That was going to be Secret
00:28:18
Service and, and, and military intelligence.
00:28:21
But do you think, what do you feel?
00:28:23
What are you feeling here, man? I know you've got a good gut
00:28:25
reaction and there's a lot of times that you're right on the
00:28:28
target on your show and otherwise.
00:28:29
What are your thoughts, man? Do you think this is retaliatory
00:28:32
or do you think it's really legitimate?
00:28:34
Well, so I've been a whistle blower on Able Danger.
00:28:37
You guys can go back and find the videos.
00:28:39
They're online. And when I became a whistle
00:28:44
blower, it was inadvertent. I was actually advising the
00:28:48
Navy's internal think tank nicknamed Deep, Deep Blue.
00:28:51
It's a classified, It was a classified think tank.
00:28:53
What they do is still classified.
00:28:55
And I was asked to go over by the Navy to ask for funding for
00:29:02
a specific classified project. And so next thing you know,
00:29:06
during my meetings, I inadvertently become a whistle
00:29:09
blower because I'm, I'm saying things that Congress didn't
00:29:12
know. I was authorized to talk about
00:29:13
it because the Navy asked me to. But I go back and talk to the
00:29:17
Army. It's like, hey, they're asking
00:29:20
questions about this. What do you want me to do?
00:29:22
And the Army said, tell them what they want to know.
00:29:24
Tell them the truth. So next thing you know, I'm a
00:29:25
whistleblower. But the Army said I could be a
00:29:27
whistleblower. So, you know, the rest of
00:29:31
Department of Defense, at the time it was called, the
00:29:33
Department of Defense came after me.
00:29:35
But I was good with the Army. You know, the Army supported me.
00:29:38
And in this case, I don't know quite what to believe yet
00:29:41
because I don't know her personally.
00:29:44
I know the unit, the units that she supported and I kind of
00:29:48
understand her role. I understand she made
00:29:51
allegations against her chain of command, which may or may not
00:29:53
have been taken seriously. And so the, the, the, anytime
00:29:59
you go forward with a, a complaint, you have to be 3
00:30:03
things. You have to be completely
00:30:05
factually accurate because any little Ding, they're going to
00:30:11
come after you on. I know from experience.
00:30:13
Secondly, you have to be pristine or put out there your
00:30:19
issues ahead of time to make sure that that you basically
00:30:23
you're able to explain whatever your blemishes are.
00:30:26
Otherwise others are going to explain them for you and you're
00:30:29
not going to like how they do it.
00:30:30
So you got to get out there. That's one of the reasons I get
00:30:33
dark Heart. I put everything in there, good
00:30:35
and bad, so you can't come after me later and said, oh, you hid
00:30:37
the bad parts. Like no, I put the bad parts in.
00:30:39
I did. I put everything in.
00:30:41
So you got to be very clear about that.
00:30:42
And 2nd and 3rd, and probably most importantly, you got to
00:30:46
have someone advocating for you at that level.
00:30:48
One of the things I learned from being a whistleblower on Able
00:30:51
Danger and Sy Hirsch came to me and told me, this is like, Tony,
00:30:55
neither side is going to protect you.
00:30:58
The Democrats have a lot to lose.
00:30:59
The Republicans have a lot to lose.
00:31:01
So you're on your own. So that's a lesson I learned is
00:31:05
you need to have someone who basically is going to advocate
00:31:07
for you. In my case, it was a
00:31:09
congressman. Oh my God, Kurt.
00:31:15
Kurt Weldon. I was just talking to Kurt the
00:31:18
other day. I shouldn't have.
00:31:18
Sorry, Kurt, but Kurt, Kurt became, he was the vice chair of
00:31:23
the Armed Services Committee at the time at House Armed
00:31:25
Services, and he became an advocate.
00:31:27
He kind of paid with his career protecting us and the truth.
00:31:31
So I don't know how far she got into any of those things.
00:31:35
I don't know enough about her case, but obviously if she had
00:31:39
direct contact with a journalist who I just, I, I tweeted him
00:31:43
because he's got there right now saying the journalist she's
00:31:45
supposed to leak to saying, oh, don't know.
00:31:47
She only gave me background information.
00:31:49
Well, if it's classified, it's still, you know, illegal.
00:31:54
And I think that's where the rub's going to come.
00:31:56
It's how much contact did she have with the media beforehand?
00:32:00
And for the record, when I had to go to the media, I basically
00:32:04
the Army knew what I was doing and they let me go do it.
00:32:09
So I don't know if they would say they endorse my media
00:32:11
appearances or talking to the media.
00:32:14
But clearly I ended up retiring with full benefits.
00:32:17
And I guess it kind of speaks for itself that I, I wasn't, you
00:32:20
know, prosecuted or targeted because I asked for permission
00:32:23
and got it before I did things in this case.
00:32:26
I just don't know that I'd have to go study it more.
00:32:28
This only broke this morning. I do.
00:32:30
I will say this about the unit. Her parent role was what we call
00:32:35
is cover support. One of the things that was
00:32:38
disclosed as part of the story was that she handled cover
00:32:43
passports and documents and things like that.
00:32:46
That fits into the category of operational support in my world,
00:32:49
which is what I think she did for the tiered unit.
00:32:53
She's said to have been supporting.
00:32:55
So she would have direct access to a lot of the operational
00:32:58
planning. She wouldn't be in the room, but
00:33:00
you'd have access to it and she would have enough detail based
00:33:05
on what she was being asked to do to support operations to to
00:33:08
kind of provide some very clear information to the the media
00:33:13
about what was going on regarding operations.
00:33:15
And that's very dangerous if that's true.
00:33:17
And and so if she exceeded her complaint regarding
00:33:24
whistleblower and did things to undermine operations where that
00:33:27
that is to say they can prove that she leaked to the press
00:33:30
details of ongoing or planned operations, that's where they're
00:33:33
going to get her and that's going to and that is bad.
00:33:35
They that's something we never, never did.
00:33:37
And my whistleblowing is leak information regarding ongoing or
00:33:40
planned operations. And that was George's take.
00:33:44
That's exactly what he was said before you came on.
00:33:46
He thought this anything. Of course, we always want to
00:33:49
protect operational security. I agree with you, I just I guess
00:33:53
we'll have to see what comes out.
00:33:54
Hopefully the the truth will come out.
00:33:55
I don't know if it will or not. They they're pretty good at
00:33:57
hiding it. Well, look at Israel, look at
00:34:01
when they're rescuing the pilot. Someone leaked information to a
00:34:05
journalist, which delayed the rest the operation.
00:34:09
So they put, they put one of our military members in, in jeopardy
00:34:13
their lives. Yep, Yep.
00:34:15
Somebody, somebody needs to pay for that.
00:34:17
So and just go, Lance, just go. Yeah, no, but on that point,
00:34:21
George, real quick. So I've, I work with members of
00:34:23
the media who will learn things and they will not report them.
00:34:27
And and I, I don't want to get into detail because there's some
00:34:29
sensitive relationships, but there are members of the media
00:34:32
who are patriots and say, you know, if, if they're asked us to
00:34:35
delay reporting on something, they will because they recognize
00:34:37
what you just said. There's others who are
00:34:40
essentially left wing advocates or activists who will gladly
00:34:47
leak things to undermine operations.
00:34:48
So there is a distinction with a difference of members of the
00:34:51
media. Yeah, you know, sometimes you're
00:34:53
told things in confidence by individuals.
00:34:56
And when I'm told something in confidence, George, is the same
00:34:58
way. You know, we're taken to the
00:34:59
grave, guys. I'm not going to disclose
00:35:01
something I was told in confidence for clicks, for
00:35:04
views, but but that that makes us unique.
00:35:07
That makes you unique. We're not willing to sell our
00:35:09
souls, whether it's a paid group.
00:35:11
We, we were talking about Tony, some of the people that are
00:35:14
getting paid online by foreign governments or otherwise, which
00:35:18
depending on the foreign government, you know, there are
00:35:20
you, you do get, you do get approached by these groups.
00:35:23
But if you were going to take money from them as an influencer
00:35:25
or as a, an individual, there are laws on the books, right,
00:35:29
Sponsorship laws, FTC and FCC guidelines that are actual laws.
00:35:33
But there are lots of people on social media that have shows
00:35:36
that exceed the, the, the law. We don't see any consequences
00:35:39
for them, But that doesn't mean it's OK to do it.
00:35:41
You have to if, if you are a real patriot, if you do want to
00:35:44
protect the country. And, you know, if I had been
00:35:46
disclosed, something that I thought was the number one
00:35:49
probably shouldn't have been disclosed to me.
00:35:50
But in the heat of discussion, sometimes people say things
00:35:53
because they're emotional. I still wouldn't disclose it.
00:35:55
Regardless if it would come, it would propel my shell to some
00:35:59
unique level, especially if it was going to undermine the
00:36:02
administration or national security interests.
00:36:04
I, I just wouldn't do it. I'm a technical grave guy.
00:36:07
It's the way I've always been. And I know George is the same
00:36:09
way. Let's answer that point.
00:36:11
Yeah, I want to hit that point because so there are still
00:36:13
things on able danger that I testified to 23 years ago, which
00:36:21
are still I still can't talk about.
00:36:24
So that's your point is well taken.
00:36:26
There are some things which are need to be protected and there
00:36:31
was times in closed hearings where I was waved off by the
00:36:35
staff director of the House Armed Services when I was being
00:36:38
asked direct questions by members of Congress who had a
00:36:41
legitimate need to know at regarding clearances.
00:36:43
But they didn't have the the the ultimate kind of top clearance
00:36:48
and so only like 5 people and the house were opened.
00:36:52
So I couldn't talk about it. I didn't.
00:36:54
To this day I've never talked about it publicly.
00:36:57
So there's something you just can't talk about.
00:36:59
And rightfully so, because again, the priority is to
00:37:01
protect the country and for the people that, yeah, all of us
00:37:06
wanna have breaking news and create stories, but not at the
00:37:09
detriment, you know, of course, the safety and security of the
00:37:11
United States. I want the country to be, as,
00:37:14
you know, successful in in its global initiatives or its or its
00:37:18
domestic initiatives as possible.
00:37:20
So I'm not going to do that regardless of whether or not I
00:37:22
think it could. Oh, gosh, this show just blew
00:37:24
up. We got a million views.
00:37:25
What what? At what cost?
00:37:27
The question would be at what cost.
00:37:29
All right, let's talk about the ceasefire.
00:37:31
I don't know if I don't know if we can call it a ceasefire
00:37:33
anymore. Of course, we're supposed to be
00:37:34
at 2 weeks, 2 weeks ceasefire. It's already showing cracks.
00:37:39
There's reports of continued Iranian missile activity.
00:37:42
Israel didn't even wait for the ink to get dry.
00:37:45
And I don't think there was any ink.
00:37:46
But Donald Trump with mid announcement, they were already
00:37:49
striking Hezbollah in Lebanon. They claim that Lebanon's not
00:37:53
part of the ceasefire. Hezbollah is not part of the
00:37:55
ceasefire. Of course, that's what Israel
00:37:57
does. But now a Strait of Hormuz, it
00:37:59
seems to be closed again. It never really opened, I don't
00:38:02
think. I, I guess, I guess here's what
00:38:04
I got to do. You know, from your intelligence
00:38:06
operations background, what do you think the biggest red flags
00:38:10
for this truce? Looks like it's collapsing.
00:38:12
My what I said to George yesterday.
00:38:14
And then I'll, I, I want you to take it away.
00:38:15
And then you and George comment. I, I'm not sure that the people
00:38:19
that agree to the ceasefire are the people that have their
00:38:22
finger on the trigger this to be a real disparity.
00:38:25
I don't even know if there's an Ayatollah that's alive.
00:38:28
I don't know who's in the hospital, who's dead.
00:38:30
I, I, you know, the problem is there's just a lot of things
00:38:33
that I am questioning about this announced ceasefire.
00:38:36
Tony, you go. And then George, I need you to
00:38:38
jump in right after him. So there's three things that
00:38:40
come to mind. First, we've missed
00:38:42
opportunities to kind of message and undermine the Iranian
00:38:46
messaging. We we've had huge opportunities
00:38:48
to kind of take their wind out, but they continue to be
00:38:51
effective because we're not agile enough to counter the
00:38:53
messaging. So with this very issue is like,
00:38:57
OK, they broke the ceasefire and, and maybe maybe not because
00:39:01
the question becomes who's in charge of Iran and we just don't
00:39:05
know. And I think, and President Trump
00:39:06
said this and I tend to agree that that's probably true.
00:39:09
We are negotiating with members of the political class in Iran
00:39:12
who don't have oversight or directive authority over the
00:39:16
IRGC, which is their their political military arm.
00:39:19
They're, they're terrorist group so they, the IRGC is going to
00:39:23
continue to do what they do all the time.
00:39:26
And as much as the announcement, he instantly dropped the price
00:39:29
of oil back to the mid 70s like it was $75 a barrel.
00:39:32
Now it's back up to 92 because it, the, the ceasefire wasn't a
00:39:36
ceasefire. And the second factor is the the
00:39:39
Israelis. I don't know if the Israelis
00:39:44
signed a board or not. I tend to believe they didn't
00:39:46
because the attacks on Hezbollah I think are legitimate, but they
00:39:52
have nothing to do with us. It's the, it's the Israelis.
00:39:54
And, and what Vice President Vance has been saying is, look,
00:39:58
we agreed to the ceasefire based on our attacking the Iran, not
00:40:04
on any other nation besides Iran.
00:40:07
So this is where it's really Gray and and murky and.
00:40:10
Both sides are doing what they think they want to do based on
00:40:13
their interpretation, which is very dangerous.
00:40:15
And that's why we don't see it. And the third thing I, I would
00:40:18
end this with is that we, it, it appears to me, I'm not going to
00:40:23
make any accusations. It appears to me we didn't war
00:40:29
game this out appropriately. And, and, and I, I spent a lot
00:40:33
of time working with the Army War College doing essentially
00:40:38
scenario building, looking at, at how we would respond to
00:40:41
things. Basically most military
00:40:44
operations, you have essentially a red team who comes in and, and
00:40:48
pretends to be the bad guys. So you can kind of put your
00:40:52
scenario against them to see what, how they're going to
00:40:55
respond. I don't get the impression that
00:40:57
we did a lot of that before the conflict because there's two
00:41:00
things, there's three things I would have done differently.
00:41:02
First, I would have started seizing Iranian oil tankers
00:41:06
before the conflict even started to get their attention.
00:41:09
It's like, look, we're just going to take anything you put
00:41:12
on a boat and seize it like we were doing in Venezuela.
00:41:14
We didn't do that. Secondly, we would have, I would
00:41:17
have made sure that the contingency plans for the Strait
00:41:20
of Hormuz was dusted off and ready to go.
00:41:23
I wouldn't have left a MEW in the Pacific that knowing that
00:41:27
I'm going to need it in in the Persian Gulf.
00:41:29
I would have had it there like beforehand saying we can seize
00:41:32
this. We need to now.
00:41:33
I wouldn't have given him that time and 3rd and probably most
00:41:36
importantly, I would have started already escorting ships
00:41:41
through. That is to say that we've done
00:41:42
it before. I would have put U.S.
00:41:45
Navy ships in harm's way. I understand the risk and made
00:41:49
it clear that the straight is open and and dare Iran do
00:41:52
something to stop it. If they did something to stop
00:41:54
it, then I would have seized both sides of the Persian Gulf
00:41:57
at the straight and then Kargh Island.
00:41:59
So I would have done it a lot more directly to go after their
00:42:02
economic means of, of of making money and we're kind of reverse
00:42:08
order of what's going on now you.
00:42:10
Know it's funny you said that. I brought it up two weeks ago
00:42:12
that we should just seize Karg Island.
00:42:14
Yeah, I said just seize the people like, oh, you can't do
00:42:16
it, George. I said, yeah, of course you can.
00:42:18
And you're right about the ships.
00:42:19
We can use our Navy to escort tankers through.
00:42:24
I mean, we, we've taken out a lot of the capabilities.
00:42:27
But if they're making, if they're doing, if they're
00:42:30
negotiating, US is negotiating with Iran who do a ceasefire and
00:42:35
it says it Iran, one of the things Iran said stop the
00:42:38
bombings in Lebanon. So how can US agree to that if
00:42:43
they're not talking to Netanyahu?
00:42:45
Because Trump just told Netanyahu this morning, he said
00:42:47
to scale back the bombings in Lebanon and he says he he's
00:42:51
going to open now Netanyahu's going to open direct
00:42:54
negotiations with Lebanon. So is there that much
00:42:58
miscommunications among the US and Israel?
00:43:00
And I mean all this stuff. I mean it sounds.
00:43:03
Amateur to me so George, I don't know there's a there's a point
00:43:09
of diminishing returns and I I touching this is like touching
00:43:14
the third rail. So the so the Israelis the
00:43:18
United States don't agree on everything.
00:43:19
So this is one of those things that I think it's it's this is
00:43:22
one of those disagreements that's kind of playing forth.
00:43:24
So I do believe that that Trump had told Netanyahu, look, you
00:43:28
need to back off here to let us do this.
00:43:31
And I think Netanyahu had other ideas and just did it because
00:43:34
the initial. Yeah.
00:43:36
And so, and I've said this publicly and I I've so far so
00:43:39
good. The the, the Israeli interests
00:43:42
and US interests are not completely the same.
00:43:45
They're not. And there's a point of, of where
00:43:48
I think it's becoming more apparent.
00:43:50
This is one of those points. And I'm not I'm not saying
00:43:52
anything bad about the Israelis. They have their interests, you
00:43:55
could say, and Lebanon about. Them it's all right though,
00:43:58
yeah, I'm just trying to be. You can talk bad about them as.
00:44:00
You're right over the target. I'm just trying to be clear on
00:44:03
this, yeah. I have fairly.
00:44:04
Interests cannot always align with the US interests, and I get
00:44:07
that because they're focused on their country.
00:44:09
We're focused on that country. But when somebody says they're
00:44:12
the top ally we've ever had historically and that that our
00:44:16
interests are so equally aligned, I disagree.
00:44:19
I disagree with that because again, I expect Israel to do
00:44:22
everything that's necessary and important for Israel.
00:44:24
Just like I expect the same out of Russia, I expect the same out
00:44:27
of China, and I expect the same out of the US.
00:44:30
So, you know, go ahead, George. Yeah.
00:44:32
So I have family all over the world.
00:44:33
I have family in Israel in that, in that region.
00:44:36
So Netanyahu wants wants war because he wants to take the
00:44:39
focus off his own criminal charges he's got against them.
00:44:42
That's what he wants to do. He's he's, he was all right, but
00:44:46
now he's just a bad apple because he's killing too many
00:44:48
civilians, especially in Lebanon.
00:44:50
Just, you know, I understand going after the terrorists.
00:44:52
I'm all for that. Take them out.
00:44:53
But you have to do it strategically, not hurt
00:44:55
civilians, because that doesn't make you any better than the
00:44:58
terrorists. Then you're just going, you
00:44:59
know, and they could do it. They just don't want to.
00:45:02
They just want to create more havoc and chaos over there.
00:45:06
But. I think that the pre emptive
00:45:08
design elements that you suggested, Tony, should have
00:45:11
been done. And again, I agree with you,
00:45:13
they should have started pre emptively, you know, with the
00:45:16
Strait of Hormuz and with seizing oil.
00:45:20
I also think that one of the areas that everybody doesn't
00:45:23
seem to talk about enough, they should have gone after their
00:45:28
power grid because of course we know they're mining Bitcoin at
00:45:31
$13165 a Bitcoin by stealing the power from orphanages and
00:45:37
hospitals and wherever it is. That's and that those wallets,
00:45:40
they are mining Bitcoin every single day.
00:45:43
It's hard to stop that because they're using, you know, lots of
00:45:46
layering in their wallets. But the truth of the matter is
00:45:48
if they didn't have a power grid, as much as that would be
00:45:51
difficult for the the civilians, at the end of the day, it would
00:45:55
also stop because they've made an inordinate amount of money.
00:45:57
Also, the administration, the Ayatollah, has shipped out
00:46:00
Bitcoin to their own private wallets.
00:46:02
We're talking about billions and billions of dollars in Bitcoin.
00:46:04
My understanding is they're mining somewhere between 3 and
00:46:07
5% of all Bitcoin globally that's currently being mined.
00:46:11
Yeah, that's a big no. You know what Lance, if, if
00:46:13
those Bitcoin are lost, it'll just make more Bitcoin more
00:46:15
valuable. So I have, I have questions for
00:46:18
you doing that. Me personally, I wouldn't have
00:46:21
done the ceasefire with Iran because Iran is known to do
00:46:25
stuff like this and they'll avert from what they're doing
00:46:28
just to buy them more time. Yep, I would have taken out
00:46:31
their infrastructure, put them to their knees.
00:46:34
Like Trump said, made a comment. I think, Lance, we, we talked
00:46:36
about this yesterday that he said, oh, the, the regime change
00:46:40
in a positive way. There's a positive regime
00:46:42
change. Well, to, to, in order for this
00:46:44
to be successful, there has to be no more regime.
00:46:47
You can't tell the Iranian people protest in the streets.
00:46:50
Stand up. We got your six.
00:46:53
They want freedom. They want it back before, you
00:46:55
know, the regime took over. Yeah.
00:46:57
So saying there's a positive regime this and that, I don't
00:47:01
know. To me, that's not the right
00:47:03
message to send because you want to get rid of the regime.
00:47:06
So much mixed messaging. I don't know.
00:47:08
What do you think? You're right.
00:47:10
And so we started, we, we should have started in 2009 during the
00:47:16
Green Revolution. There was a, a group that
00:47:19
during, during the Arab Spring, we ignored the fact that the
00:47:23
Persians, the Persian Spring, we didn't want to do that for any
00:47:25
number of political reasons that I don't think we can get into
00:47:28
any length here. But Obama decided while we were
00:47:32
uprising and, and, and, and in the Middle East, they didn't
00:47:36
want to, they wanted the IRGC and the Iranians to stay stable.
00:47:39
So we didn't support the Green Revolution in 2009.
00:47:42
Fast forward to today. No, we, they gave him money,
00:47:44
time, man. Right.
00:47:46
Zach drew the red. He drew the red line in the
00:47:48
sand. The the red line got crossed.
00:47:50
He didn't do nothing. Yeah.
00:47:51
Yeah. Well, so we could have a whole
00:47:53
show on that, but to. The current points that we
00:47:55
agreed to allegedly that that part of it is a continued
00:47:59
enrichment of uranium. Yeah, that was a deal breaker
00:48:02
before I even got down to the rest of 1.
00:48:03
I think that was point #3 on the list.
00:48:06
I would have said, well it's a no go.
00:48:07
Forget that. I said all along that that was a
00:48:10
hardened path to a nuclear weapon.
00:48:12
That's all it was. It was a hardened path.
00:48:14
Yeah. So.
00:48:15
The 10 points that they say we've agreed to and I don't know
00:48:18
if we have or haven't, or at least the points that the
00:48:20
Iranians one. I saw so many things in those
00:48:22
ten points. It would have been a no go.
00:48:24
They sent that over, but oh hell no.
00:48:25
I would have stuck it into a trader and said we're going in
00:48:27
enough. Supposedly, Yeah, supposedly.
00:48:29
The big takeaways? They're finally going to meet in
00:48:34
Pakistan face to face. That's the big deal.
00:48:36
But who's who's going to meet though?
00:48:39
Well, there's they're clearing out a hotel and Islamabad or
00:48:44
Iranian leaders to show up. Now, I don't know who those are,
00:48:47
but this is supposed to be face to face starting next week.
00:48:51
Supposedly this is the space they're trying to build.
00:48:52
Now. I'm with you, George.
00:48:54
I don't know if I would have stopped at this point.
00:48:57
And let me let me tell you how I would have run a campaign
00:49:00
because I, I've done this a day or two.
00:49:02
So I've learned from some of the best.
00:49:05
One of those is Norm Schwartz, Norman Schwartz, Storman Norman
00:49:09
Schwartzkopf. I'm, I'm familiar from being
00:49:13
around back then. As a matter of fact, General
00:49:15
Schwartzkopf was the, the, the keynote speaker at our
00:49:18
graduation from CIA training at the farm.
00:49:20
Just saying. So he put together an amazing
00:49:25
staff that was agile. And one of the problems I see
00:49:28
that we're not doing well. Are you guys familiar with the
00:49:30
term the OODA loop? The OODA loop.
00:49:35
This came up, John Boyd and his guys came up with it.
00:49:38
It's called observe, Orient, decide, act.
00:49:41
Basically, if you can Orient, if you, if you can observe an event
00:49:45
and then you Orient to what you need to do.
00:49:48
You decide on what has to be done and you act.
00:49:51
You do this in cycles and you try to do it faster than the bad
00:49:54
guys so you can figure out what they're going to do, figure out
00:49:57
how to counter it, act and then cycle again.
00:49:59
So we didn't do that as a as a prerequisite of how do we get
00:50:04
ahead of these guys and stay ahead of them regarding
00:50:06
operations. And one of the first things I
00:50:08
would have done to your point is taken out their power grid
00:50:11
because look, the the people were already being deprived of
00:50:14
Internet. So you're going to just deprive
00:50:16
them of power because the the again, it's not you're not it's
00:50:19
not civil infrastructure if it's being used to benefit the
00:50:22
government you're at war with. So I would have just taken it
00:50:25
out. It's like, yeah, we're done.
00:50:26
Give it back when you're ready. And we can do that non lethally.
00:50:29
We have non lethal technology. So we don't have to blow it up.
00:50:31
We can just take it down. And by the way, we can take it
00:50:34
down as long as we want because we can it basically the
00:50:36
technology we use can be reapplied over and over is
00:50:40
knocking it down every time they get it.
00:50:41
So we didn't do that. Let me ask you a question.
00:50:43
Yeah, taking down their electrical grids.
00:50:48
We my understanding is we don't even need to bomb them.
00:50:51
We could do it through our computers.
00:50:53
We we have different we have both kinetic, semi kinetic and
00:50:56
non kinetic options. Yes, yes, so, but I mean, that's
00:51:00
what I'm saying like the way it is just the way there that Iran
00:51:05
got off so many missiles and drones.
00:51:07
It just it seemed like they wanted to allow that to justify
00:51:10
more of this war. I don't I don't know.
00:51:13
You're the military guy, so you know more to me well.
00:51:16
I think the, the, the, the belief was we had known more
00:51:20
about those locations than what we did.
00:51:21
We knew they hit some. And I think that we have, we've
00:51:25
probably taken out, I'd say still between 85 and 90%, but
00:51:29
that 10%, they're still using it.
00:51:31
And, and by the way, this is the other thing they, they missed,
00:51:33
George, is that every time one of those is fired
00:51:37
indiscriminately towards a civilian infrastructure of a
00:51:40
foreign country, that's a war crime.
00:51:42
So I'm, I'm appalled by the fact that that, you know, and I agree
00:51:45
with you regarding Netanyahu not backing down and not being as
00:51:48
reusable as he could. With that said, the people of
00:51:51
Jerusalem are being targeted by the Iranians and those missiles
00:51:54
are not, the missiles fired by Iran are not being targeted
00:51:57
towards military facilities. So we missed the bubble on like
00:52:01
turning the narrative around on them.
00:52:02
It's like, no, no, this is a war crime and we need to recognize
00:52:06
that. But to.
00:52:07
I mean the their last strike on the UAE, wasn't that also all
00:52:10
civilian? I don't think those.
00:52:11
It was all civilian anytime they do that.
00:52:13
Salinization plants. They hit, you know, place.
00:52:16
That's yeah. There's no military value in
00:52:17
that so. But even in Israel, they hit in
00:52:20
Haifa an oil refinery or some oil facility.
00:52:24
So yeah. Well, but my point is, is that
00:52:27
we missed the the bubble on being able to turn it around.
00:52:29
But on on the issue of degradation of military anyway
00:52:33
to go to continue my thought, I would have taken out the power
00:52:37
grid, been able to essentially, I think, determine more readily
00:52:42
their command and control by the fact that when you take their
00:52:44
power grid down, they got to come back up.
00:52:46
George, one of the lessons is when you deprive an adversary
00:52:50
something, they've got to go to a secondary, A capability to
00:52:53
communicate. And I don't think we did that
00:52:55
either, because if you take down the power grid, you start
00:52:57
basically cascading down what they can do.
00:53:00
And if you can destroy their command and control completely,
00:53:03
yeah, it's they can't do as many things they're doing.
00:53:05
I don't understand why we haven't done a better job of
00:53:07
taking out their command and control.
00:53:08
That is something I don't. That's what's fishing, right?
00:53:10
Like it's like, so instead of bombing their their grids and
00:53:15
stuff and having to spend so much money later on and rebuild
00:53:18
it, do it through the computer systems where Nas when they hit
00:53:21
the some buttons, they do. I'm not going to say what, but
00:53:25
they have the capabilities and they say it's easy to rebuild
00:53:28
because you don't have to rebuild it.
00:53:29
That infrastructure. I don't know.
00:53:32
It seems like we're pussy with this.
00:53:34
Stuff and the George is valid, some of the stuff that they've
00:53:37
done and simply look, here's just three guys talking about it
00:53:40
on a show. I think the the the narrative
00:53:43
control could have been a much better job.
00:53:46
Of course, when they made these civilian strikes that should
00:53:48
have been, you know, they should have just inflated that across
00:53:50
all media sources. They didn't do it.
00:53:52
Missed opportunity. Iran's done an over and over
00:53:55
again, even using footage from games to act like the USS
00:53:58
Eisenhower was struck. They did all sorts of things and
00:54:01
that stuff got momentum before it was immediately terminated.
00:54:04
I don't understand why our intelligence agencies didn't
00:54:07
stop it dead in its tracks. I can tell you why I just, I
00:54:10
just addressed it, the OODA loop, we have a very slow system
00:54:16
of reaction. One of the things that that the
00:54:18
bad guys often do is they're more agile because they just do
00:54:21
this. Just put it out there to respond
00:54:23
to that, Lance, I can tell you that we have people as smart as
00:54:27
you and George and me and they identified the issues just like
00:54:31
we did, but they had to to beat, they were slowed down by the
00:54:33
bureaucracy which requires an incremental or overview
00:54:38
approval. So that's part of the problem
00:54:41
with our system. We, I've seen this from counter
00:54:44
drug counterterrorism to counter information operations.
00:54:49
We are hobbled not by the fact we, we don't have talented
00:54:52
people. We are hobbled by the fact
00:54:54
they're in the system which does not approve or support ingenuity
00:54:59
or innovation. So I, I fought this my entire
00:55:03
career. We always were trying to figure
00:55:04
out how to do things better and faster.
00:55:06
And then people above us because of either rice bowls or, or, or
00:55:11
credit, they want credit or don't want you to get credit.
00:55:14
They get in the way of you being able to do things.
00:55:16
And that's why most of this the most successful operation,
00:55:19
you're just told to go do it. You tell people after the fact
00:55:22
and get it done. And I think that's part of the
00:55:24
system's problem right now. So we don't have people
00:55:27
authorized to go just do what's necessary to counter those those
00:55:30
things as rapidly as they come up you.
00:55:33
Know I don't have the background you have.
00:55:34
I have a different background, but of course it was always
00:55:36
about high speed, low drag. The idea was high efficiency
00:55:40
when it came to government contracting you, you'd move
00:55:42
quickly and rapidly. Of course, once you were given
00:55:45
the contract, you didn't have the bureaucracy levels to to run
00:55:48
through. You had an outline of what the
00:55:50
the operation was supposed to be, or at least what your
00:55:52
involvement or role was. And there wasn't any question.
00:55:55
And that's the difficulty. You would think that they would
00:55:56
have a division within our intelligence agencies and our
00:55:59
military. DoD we hear about the DIA, we
00:56:02
hear about, you know, different operations within the CIA, but
00:56:06
of course, there's so many approval levels, you know,
00:56:10
exactly. And, and, and to me that's that
00:56:13
in itself is a as a very damaging part of our current
00:56:18
infrastructure. They don't seem to get it, but
00:56:20
they'll go to the contractors. They'll hire government
00:56:22
contractors for certain off the books, black operations or
00:56:25
otherwise, because they want that deniable accountability.
00:56:28
And you would think that they could just look at it and say,
00:56:30
wow, they effectively did that really well.
00:56:31
We should duplicate what they're doing at some level within our
00:56:35
own where you don't need all these layers that there's
00:56:37
certain approvals that are already in place.
00:56:40
It seems to make sense. We got a clip from Donald Trump.
00:56:42
You can see by him pursing his lips about his dissatisfaction
00:56:46
with what occurred on this ceasefire.
00:56:48
Let's play the clip. Yeah, I do.
00:56:58
They violated, but Israel violated it, too.
00:57:02
Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they
00:57:05
dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I've never seen
00:57:08
before. The biggest load that we've
00:57:10
seen. I'm not happy with Israel.
00:57:12
You know when? When I say, OK, now you have 12
00:57:14
hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop
00:57:18
everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them.
00:57:20
I'm not happy with Iran either. But I'm really unhappy if
00:57:24
Israel's going out this morning because the one rocket that
00:57:27
didn't land, that was shot perhaps by mistake, that didn't
00:57:30
land, I'm not happy about that. You know what we have?
00:57:35
We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long
00:57:39
and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
00:57:42
Do you understand that? He's right.
00:57:51
You know he's pissed when? He says he's right.
00:57:53
And you know, he's pissed and look, you know, I want to say
00:57:56
that. So, you know, drawing from your
00:57:57
experience with Abel Danger and of course, exposing 9/11
00:58:01
intelligence shortfalls. Still lots of questions about
00:58:04
911. But we won't get in that rabbit
00:58:06
hole today. I have.
00:58:07
My beliefs. I'm sure you do.
00:58:09
We're not going to even go there.
00:58:11
What do you think the concerning parallel parallels are?
00:58:14
You know, you got U.S. intelligence community, they've
00:58:16
assessed and briefed on rapid escalation with Iran, but
00:58:21
there's these gaps, you know, proxy responses, you know, the
00:58:25
power support, I mean, we could go on and on.
00:58:28
How do we fix this? Because this to me is textbook
00:58:32
of how to really go FUBAR, right?
00:58:34
I mean, this is, you know, this is what we've got.
00:58:37
So to, to, to you and George have framed this correctly and
00:58:40
especially George regarding the Israeli issues.
00:58:42
Trump just just kind of pointed out, it's like, yeah, people are
00:58:45
not paying attention to what what is best to do right now.
00:58:49
The reason is because as much as Trump came in with a good team,
00:58:53
most of the bureaucracy has has basically circled the wagons and
00:58:59
are just trying to wait him out. And I've, I've noted, I've told
00:59:03
people on his, you know, in his inner circle several times.
00:59:06
They're just waiting out and, and it's more rough.
00:59:09
It's more apparent now than ever because bureaucracies after a
00:59:13
certain point, you guys know this.
00:59:14
I mean, you, you study all sorts of of structures.
00:59:18
Bureaucracies after a certain amount of time become focused on
00:59:22
self sustainment, not doing their job.
00:59:24
So much of what you're talking about, all these secret
00:59:26
organizations and all the CIADIA Department of War, the
00:59:31
bureaucracies become self-serving in, in that they
00:59:35
want to protect their rice bowls and budget.
00:59:38
And I don't think Trump's helping by approving this $1.5
00:59:40
trillion budget because that money, we, it didn't work.
00:59:44
Solving education problems. Giving the Department of War
00:59:47
more money without regard to what it's going to be used for
00:59:50
is not necessarily wise. Just saying.
00:59:51
And I think you, you need to once you regularize something to
00:59:56
own. So that's what I think we're
00:59:57
seeing right now is the systemic like, yeah, we're just going to
01:00:00
hang back and not do everything we can because we don't have to,
01:00:03
because we've got we've got enough money.
01:00:05
We're not, we're not hungry. So.
01:00:07
And the other thing is you have to put people in.
01:00:09
And I, I'm doing a deep dive right now.
01:00:12
Lance, I mentioned this during when you're on my show, I'm
01:00:14
doing a deep dive of studying the Pacific, the Pacific
01:00:16
campaign in World War Two. There were technology
01:00:19
innovations. And leadership brilliance, which
01:00:23
allowed for us to do amazing things like Midway.
01:00:26
That battle is something that people should study.
01:00:30
The whole series of decisions which allowed for us, the
01:00:34
assassination of Yamato. I mean, my God, we, we had guys
01:00:39
and P30 eights flying two 2 1/2 hours just above the water,
01:00:44
using nothing but slide rules and pencils to figure out where
01:00:47
it's going to be. And, and, and doing things in
01:00:50
such a way that they had the freedom to fail.
01:00:52
And so it's, it's that that combination of technology and
01:00:55
innovation with people who just don't care, they're going to do
01:00:58
their best that are given given the green light to do it.
01:01:01
And that's what I think Trump is partly frustrated about is that
01:01:04
I think he knows he has talent, but that talent is held back by
01:01:08
bureaucrats who just don't care. And, and, and until he starts
01:01:11
firing more of those bureaucrats to include more generals, more
01:01:14
senior executives, he's going to get this tepid like kind of.
01:01:17
Yeah, OK, response. And of course, the allies are
01:01:21
going to take advantage of it If if Netanyahu thinks he can get
01:01:23
away with this, he's going to do it again.
01:01:24
Just saying. And you know, hold on.
01:01:27
You said earlier that. That.
01:01:29
There, I guess some military commanders over there are being
01:01:32
held back. Held back by who?
01:01:37
So. The system.
01:01:38
So this is what happens. President Trump will give
01:01:41
general guidance. It goes to the Pentagon, to the
01:01:44
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, to to to Dan Kane, General Kane and
01:01:47
Pete Hegsteth. And then it goes down to the
01:01:49
commands. There's a big series of events
01:01:53
that happened once that guidance is given regarding operations,
01:01:56
orders, operations plans and it's that and the other.
01:01:59
So what happens is it gets lost. The guidance gets lost and
01:02:02
interpreted, George. One of the biggest things I've
01:02:05
noticed from having been on the inside is interpretation of mid
01:02:08
level meters leaders. I've been in meetings with
01:02:11
colonels who the general gives guidance and the Colonel below
01:02:16
him misinterprets completely the guidance and I'm below the
01:02:20
Colonel. Like the general didn't say
01:02:22
that. It's like no, no, no, this is
01:02:24
what he meant. It's like that's not what he
01:02:25
meant. So that's what I'm talking
01:02:27
about. You have to have a chain of
01:02:28
command which allows for the the the intent to be translated down
01:02:32
to those at the operational level to act.
01:02:35
And I've seen this over and over where you get your career
01:02:38
bureaucrats in there who basically make a living off of
01:02:41
interpretation of guidance. That's what I'm saying.
01:02:43
So it's pretty much system has not changed.
01:02:45
So pretty much Heg, Seth and whoever's with them that are.
01:02:48
Giving these commands or whatever to they're subordinates
01:02:52
has to probably write them down like they're in grade school so
01:02:55
they don't get misinterpreted. That's part of it.
01:02:57
And of course, but shouldn't. They be double checking like
01:03:00
shouldn't they see them? Well, wait a minute, I gave.
01:03:02
This instructive, but they're doing it differently.
01:03:06
Yes and no. You don't have time in real time
01:03:08
to go back and check. Everything, remember, this is a
01:03:10
huge enterprise. The, the, the Pentagon is the
01:03:13
largest single enterprise, I believe on the planet just
01:03:16
because of the scope of, of, of mission resources and personnel.
01:03:21
So you don't have the ability to go back and check every single
01:03:25
circuit. Basically you have, you have
01:03:27
big, you know, it's like, it's, look at it like an electronic
01:03:31
tree. You know, of, of, of power.
01:03:34
You've got big old Transformers which have to basically you, you
01:03:37
send power through and you have circuits down below it.
01:03:39
You don't have time to go back and check all the circuits.
01:03:41
There'll be some of that going on right now during the
01:03:43
ceasefire. The other thing is you have you
01:03:46
have CIA and you have Department of State outside the control of
01:03:49
the Pentagon. And I've seen this movie a lot
01:03:52
where I was dealing advising Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Joe
01:03:54
Dunford when he was chairman and he would want something that the
01:03:58
Pentagon would want to do and State Department would go
01:04:00
against it. So this is not as a State
01:04:02
Department or CIA. So this this is another issue
01:04:05
where you don't necessarily have unanimity, uniformity of action
01:04:09
regarding the different domains within the government.
01:04:11
And CIA does have a vote not and I don't always like like and of
01:04:14
course you got Tulsi over there, Tulsi Gabbard and DNI trying to
01:04:18
referee as well. So even if you have the best
01:04:21
intentions of leaders at that level, unless you have people
01:04:24
who can act with impunity and effectiveness, you're going to
01:04:27
have delays which don't allow you to get ahead of things.
01:04:29
And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a delay in being
01:04:32
able to react to opportunities based on the fact that, that we
01:04:36
just don't, we're not as far as I can tell, set up to act
01:04:40
effectively in response to opportunities.
01:04:43
And you know you, you brought up midway, you know 1.
01:04:45
Of the big successes in Midway, the bureaucracy didn't hold or
01:04:49
control, I guess our US technological and intelligence
01:04:53
innovations. When they broke the Japanese, I
01:04:55
think the JN 25, the naval code, which was one of the big winning
01:04:59
moments was of course allowed us to organize our ambushes knew
01:05:02
what they we knew what they knew.
01:05:04
But that's because they weren't answering that that the the the
01:05:07
code breaking division literally was running independently their
01:05:10
job and passed that intelligence down rapidly.
01:05:13
You know, we have the ability, but the problem is we built this
01:05:17
system that just so fucked up from the inside out.
01:05:20
Too many people that want to have, you know, too many chefs
01:05:23
in the kitchen. Let's talk about Russia and
01:05:24
China. They've been accused of
01:05:27
providing lots. Of various forms of.
01:05:29
Support to Iran, but you know now and we're seeing that right,
01:05:34
that there, there seems to be this support from Iran in many
01:05:37
ways. George made a comment that I
01:05:38
thought was right over the target the other day about
01:05:41
giving them two weeks is just going to allow them to rebuild
01:05:44
some of their military infrastructure.
01:05:47
Of course, who knows how many materials are coming in for
01:05:50
their drones. They've been very successful
01:05:52
with their drones. And of course, I think we
01:05:55
underestimated the tunnel structure, how deep it was.
01:05:59
We thought our bunker Busters could get into it, that maybe
01:06:02
they could do a jackhammer with bunker Busters that they have to
01:06:04
drop, you know, 5 or 6 in a row timed and, and maybe that would
01:06:08
breakthrough. We've seen some of the pictures.
01:06:10
But how about NATO? I haven't been a big fan of NATO
01:06:13
or the UN for a very long time. We've got Spain telling us we
01:06:18
can't use their airspace. We've got Italy tell us we can't
01:06:21
use our bases, man. Is it time for NATO?
01:06:24
I mean, is it just time to tell them to just go fuck themselves
01:06:27
is how I feel about it. It seems like we keep putting
01:06:30
all the money in and then when we need them, they justify all
01:06:34
the reasons of why they can't be there.
01:06:36
Yeah, so on the Russia and. China thing, yeah, they've been.
01:06:41
There's no way Iran could have hit the targets in Bahrain,
01:06:46
Saudi Arabia and Iraq without Russian intelligence.
01:06:50
So there's no doubt that the Russians were providing them
01:06:52
intelligence there. You know, it is what it is.
01:06:54
I look, we've been providing Ukraine intelligence to strike
01:06:58
Russia. So I'm not saying it's
01:07:00
justified. I'm saying it's kind of both
01:07:02
sides doing it against the other.
01:07:04
So I'm the I, I mean, it is what it is.
01:07:06
I, I don't want to I'm not commenting politically.
01:07:07
I'm commenting commenting realistically.
01:07:09
It is what it is. And the Chinese have been trying
01:07:12
to provide to a land route, by the way, via, you know, I don't
01:07:16
know if people know this. You can actually send things via
01:07:19
land from China via the, the, the Khyber pass all the way
01:07:25
through Afghanistan into Iran. So it's, it's happening.
01:07:28
And, and I don't, I don't think we're doing much to stop it.
01:07:31
Just saying I another reason I don't think we should have given
01:07:33
up our base at Bagram, just saying.
01:07:37
So it's, it's an issue that I think it's something worth
01:07:40
talking about some other day maybe.
01:07:43
But on to the, the, the, the question of of the, the support
01:07:50
that we have to react to at this point.
01:07:53
I think there's issues that relate to how we need to deal
01:07:58
with China and Russia. And Trump said we're going to
01:08:00
deal with them on this. It's it's going to be something
01:08:02
that that will come up. I don't think Trump appreciates
01:08:06
the fact that, you know, we're in conflict and he's going to
01:08:09
deal with them. But more close to him is NATO.
01:08:11
So we United States give 70% of NATO's funding comes from US70.
01:08:18
That's a lot of money. And we're right now rebuilding.
01:08:23
As a matter of fact, I'm going to a commissioning of AUS Navy
01:08:26
new destroyer, the USS Harvey C Barnum Junior this Saturday.
01:08:32
It's a DD DG124 at a Aegis, a cruiser destroyer.
01:08:38
And we're now contemplating a $65 billion plus up in
01:08:43
shipbuilding, which is I think in our interest.
01:08:45
We, if so, we need to build up our naval, naval forces and
01:08:50
that's, that's what we're doing. But when you think about it, in
01:08:52
contrast to giving that money, should we give it to our ability
01:08:55
to build things or give it to NATO?
01:08:57
Because if it goes to NATO, it just goes to a boys club.
01:09:00
NATO is now a social organization without any real
01:09:03
forces. The British have like 7 cruisers
01:09:06
and they can't use any of them. I mean, they, they, they, they
01:09:10
couldn't actually muster any, any support for us even if they
01:09:12
wanted to. And every other NATO nation is
01:09:15
no different. There's no military teeth to
01:09:18
NATO, nothing. So when, when we talk of and
01:09:22
Mark Ruta is was in Washington yesterday.
01:09:24
I, I'm, I'm curious why there's been no disclosure of what
01:09:26
happened in those meetings. By the way, it's like a black
01:09:29
hole. I can't find anything.
01:09:30
A black hole. I agree.
01:09:31
It's like nothing. I mean, I'm not nobody said
01:09:34
anything about what happened in those meetings.
01:09:36
Why? Why do we even give 70% to for?
01:09:39
NATO's budget because we NATO used to be an.
01:09:43
Extension of us because NATO would do what we wanted it.
01:09:46
We don't do it anymore. It has become very yeah.
01:09:48
It's become very resistant to do.
01:09:50
Anything but that we we're not, we're not required right to give
01:09:53
70%. So we're not required to do
01:09:56
anything? We can walk out of the Treaty,
01:09:57
no? And but that's the sense,
01:10:00
George, the NATO's become. Essentially a money.
01:10:03
Money laundering organization that takes our money and gives
01:10:07
it to European countries 100%. Yeah, that's all.
01:10:10
It's money laundering. Operation, we're not getting
01:10:12
the. Benefits if we're going to be.
01:10:13
Told we can't use our bases, we can't use NATO allies airspace.
01:10:19
To me, it's a time, it's time to get to cut NATO off at its
01:10:23
knees, you know, because look, this the ceasefire and you know,
01:10:27
we heard the reports of all the depleted interceptor missile
01:10:29
stockpiles, Iranian drones and missile barrages.
01:10:33
I think that they were looking at the two week as an
01:10:35
opportunity because Iran's had a history of lying to us.
01:10:38
They've manipulated many presidents previously.
01:10:41
So they, they, they're going to do one thing.
01:10:42
It's happened over 40 years that they've been doing this.
01:10:45
I think it was one of the biggest mistakes.
01:10:48
But look, you know, I I guess we have to ask ourself what's going
01:10:51
to be next here. Let's, let's, I want to ask them
01:10:54
something about a ship real quick.
01:10:55
Oh yeah, the ship's going. To get commissioned.
01:10:57
They're looking to build more ships.
01:10:58
I hope they don't build them the way they whoever the engineers
01:11:02
that designed the plumbing for the Gerald Ford.
01:11:05
I mean seriously, you're talking about these engineers doing well
01:11:10
that or computer systems, CAD doing calculations.
01:11:13
How did they screw that up? So let me address this
01:11:16
embarrassing. So my fiance is a, is a naval
01:11:20
officer. She's been on these ships.
01:11:22
She's a nurse, not a, not a surface warfare officer.
01:11:24
I'll I'll say that, but let me let me talk.
01:11:27
The all Navy ships have problems with plumbing.
01:11:30
It's true. I bet they do every ship because
01:11:32
there's just any number of things that could go wrong.
01:11:34
It's a very complex thing. And the, the one the ship I'm
01:11:37
talking about is actually a, a proven model.
01:11:40
The ages cruiser, which I would argue is almost too old to be
01:11:44
replicated, comes out of the out of the 90s.
01:11:47
It's an old design, but it's it's reliable.
01:11:49
So this is not any different than any other.
01:11:51
It's it's like one of the latest blocks.
01:11:53
Yeah, it's it's and these things are plentiful.
01:11:56
These this is our our front line ship and we're we're building
01:11:59
more of them. The Ford is apparently a
01:12:03
experimental design where they've actually taken I think,
01:12:06
I think the Ford was the first aircraft carrier there.
01:12:08
They removed the steam, steam catapults with with electric
01:12:14
catapults. The basically the the basically
01:12:16
they use railgun technology. Yeah, electrical launch
01:12:19
aircraft. So there's a it's it's it's kind
01:12:22
of a different design than the other aircraft carriers.
01:12:24
So I think some of this is they're just kind kind of work
01:12:28
out the details. But I I'm one of those you got
01:12:30
to calculate the size of the pipes to, you know, that go.
01:12:33
Out I'm just telling it well, there's always another factor
01:12:36
that I. Don't basically some of these
01:12:38
folks get upset and they start doing self sabotage.
01:12:40
I'm not saying it happened here, but there's been acts of
01:12:43
sabotage about the system being sabotaged, about individuals
01:12:46
that were. Unhappy about going into Iran.
01:12:49
That happened at the bond home, Richard.
01:12:50
That's why we how we lost the whole a.
01:12:52
Whole ship. Some guy started the fire in the
01:12:53
bond home, Richard. Next thing you know, the whole
01:12:55
thing's gone. Yeah.
01:12:57
And they got some rumors about it.
01:12:59
I don't know what's true. There were some stories about.
01:13:01
Them flushing, you know, clothing and other debris down
01:13:05
the system to block it. I don't know, you know, I don't
01:13:08
know that can happen. And I and I can tell you this
01:13:10
the. People get disgruntled.
01:13:12
The Ford was out for a long time.
01:13:15
These things, these cruisers stretch on and on and on.
01:13:18
Especially right now we're in combat.
01:13:20
So I can tell you people get upset, especially since some of
01:13:23
these folks are still in the woke Navy, so to speak.
01:13:26
The all the woke folks aren't out yet.
01:13:28
Some of those folks got in and they're still in there, you
01:13:30
know, causing trouble. So, you know, I mean, I think
01:13:33
any new ship they build, they should take it out for.
01:13:35
Testron, with all the sailors in there usually, like, you know,
01:13:39
you're going to use it in wartime, whatever the bathrooms,
01:13:42
just to make sure, like interesting stuff.
01:13:47
Let me switch. Gears here a little bit, but
01:13:48
there's been some interesting. Stuff coming out of North Korea,
01:13:51
South Korea and Taiwan, you know that there was of course we saw
01:13:55
North Korea fire multiple ballistic missiles, but now
01:13:58
we've had some in person meetings.
01:14:00
What do you think's going on there?
01:14:01
Because of course, Taiwan just met with the, you know, the
01:14:04
North Korean leadership. South Korea had an interesting
01:14:08
meeting. What do you what do you think?
01:14:09
What is going on with the opposition leader from Taiwan?
01:14:13
Met is meeting with XI. Jinping right now.
01:14:15
Well, yesterday, I think today too.
01:14:17
What do you think? What do you think is going on
01:14:18
over there? Are they all looking at this?
01:14:20
Opportunity. Why We're distracted with
01:14:22
Ukraine and Israel and Iran. Do you think they're taking this
01:14:25
as opportunity, that there's something going on behind the
01:14:27
scenes that the American public needs the CCP, China.
01:14:31
China is in bad. Shape economically, they they've
01:14:33
got Evergrand and all these other.
01:14:34
You guys know this better than me.
01:14:36
You guys are the economy guys. Yeah, we know a lot about it
01:14:39
because of course we're connected.
01:14:40
We get a. Lot of information out of the
01:14:41
Yeah, I mean, you know what, a basket case, China.
01:14:45
You know, China, communist China is so they're they're distracted
01:14:48
internally. With that said, North Korea has
01:14:50
got its own issues. Little rocket man is trying, I
01:14:54
think to get attention again because, you know, I think he
01:14:57
wants to have Trump do something to help them.
01:15:00
And I don't know what that is, but I think that the fact is
01:15:02
they're distracted. One of the underreported
01:15:05
stories, gentlemen, which I think we, you know, I've talked
01:15:08
about a lot, most of North, most of Iran's nuclear technology,
01:15:13
their knowledge came from North Korea.
01:15:14
They've had a relationship for decades basically where they've
01:15:18
worked together on this stuff. And, and I think they've they've
01:15:21
been giving them advice. Some of their long range
01:15:24
ballistic missiles are direct copies of of North Korean
01:15:27
ballistic missiles. Just saying.
01:15:29
So I, I think it's something that's been under reported and I
01:15:32
think there's some, I think the, the Korea also supplied their
01:15:34
centrifuge. Bearing, sire.
01:15:36
Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah.
01:15:39
So I think there's there's a lot of issues.
01:15:41
Relating to to that's. That's not been fully reported.
01:15:44
The other thing that that we tend to to ignore at our own
01:15:48
peril is the fact that China is is seen as as kind of the big
01:15:52
daddy of North Korea. But North Korea doesn't always
01:15:55
appreciate that. So they sometimes act on their
01:15:57
own. And right now, while China is
01:15:59
internally distracted, North North Korea may well kind of see
01:16:02
this as an opportunity to kind of stretch its legs a little
01:16:05
bit. The danger is this.
01:16:06
Both Japan and South Korea are within a, a few weeks or a few
01:16:12
months of their own nuclear weapons.
01:16:14
That is to say, and we kind of know this and look the other
01:16:16
way, especially Japan. Japan has been able to establish
01:16:21
to their own system of, of, of reactors and refinement enough
01:16:27
highly enriched, highly enriched uranium to put together weapons
01:16:31
pretty quick and have a potential to use them.
01:16:33
So they, they're these our allies, trust us, but only trust
01:16:37
us so far and that they're prepared to act on their own if
01:16:39
we, if we can't protect them using our nuclear umbrella.
01:16:42
So especially, especially South Korea and, and China, I mean,
01:16:46
especially good in Japan have have actually kind of invested
01:16:48
in their own protection in this regard.
01:16:50
So right now, I don't think we're, we're paying as much
01:16:54
attention as we should to that region.
01:16:56
It's something we should get back on top of.
01:16:59
I'm just switching because like we lost Lance, I'm going to do.
01:17:01
Something real quick, I'm going to put you here.
01:17:03
I'll change your lower 1/3. I know what Happy lost his
01:17:06
connection. Happens tech, right?
01:17:08
Yeah, happens my technology. It's the CIA.
01:17:11
They don't want us talking, Tony.
01:17:13
I'm sure that's true, I'm telling you.
01:17:16
That's what happens. But look.
01:17:20
This I mean. We go back to Iran, I mean.
01:17:23
You I don't see an issue with Japan having nuclear weapons.
01:17:25
I mean, there are I don't either at this point.
01:17:27
They become very, very a. Very good ally.
01:17:29
Yeah, I agree. South Korea.
01:17:31
I mean, as long as North Korea don't take over and take them.
01:17:35
Yeah, that would be the problem. But you know.
01:17:37
What are you going to do? Yeah, I mean, so that's if you
01:17:41
have presidents like Biden. Anybody like him or Kamala
01:17:44
Harris? I would if I was Japan, North
01:17:46
Korea, I would worry too shit if I'm going to be protected
01:17:51
because they they don't. Could you imagine Kamala Harris
01:17:53
won? No, I can't because it'd.
01:17:57
Be we'd be at war. In ways that we could not win,
01:18:01
we would be victimized by the fact that they would continue to
01:18:03
destroy the integrity and readiness of our military.
01:18:07
That's what was going on. By the way, George, many of our
01:18:11
capabilities are being degraded because of of basically the the
01:18:15
DEI nonsense. Basically, you're putting people
01:18:17
in charge and Pete Hegseth has fired a number of those folks
01:18:21
who are basing command decisions on who you sleep with, the color
01:18:26
of your skin or the, the, the general direction of your
01:18:30
personality. So it it's it was not a good,
01:18:33
good mix. So all right, we're going to get
01:18:36
into your books, but I have a question.
01:18:37
I've been waiting. To ask you this, who do you want
01:18:39
to see as AG? Wow.
01:18:43
Hermie Dillon. I know a little bit.
01:18:45
I like her. Ed Martin.
01:18:47
I think Ed Martin would be spectacular.
01:18:50
You think so? Because he's not doing much
01:18:52
where he's at right now. Because he can't.
01:18:54
I've talked to folks on the inside, George.
01:18:57
They're a lot of these guys want to do stuff and they're being
01:18:59
held back. They were being held back by Pam
01:19:02
so and I so I was talking was Pam being held back by Susan
01:19:06
Wiles? See, that's the question.
01:19:08
I don't know, I. Heard that like I heard.
01:19:11
I I mean. She's a bad apple.
01:19:15
I've heard that too. And I don't know.
01:19:17
I I don't have enough access. To the people who report to her,
01:19:20
I can just tell you the people I talked to with Department of of
01:19:23
Justice and former federal prosecutors that they had
01:19:27
planned a number of things that Pam Bondi would not let him do.
01:19:31
And I don't know, this is another thing which someone just
01:19:34
got to do it. It's like you got to go in there
01:19:35
and just do it no matter what the, you know, holding back
01:19:37
didn't do any good. So I think going the other way
01:19:40
may be better. So I mean, I'd like.
01:19:44
To see maybe Sydney Powell. I know Sydney.
01:19:47
I think Sydney would be great. Yeah.
01:19:48
But again. She's got to be given the
01:19:50
freedom to go do what's necessary and not held back.
01:19:53
And that's, I think that's been one of the issues.
01:19:55
So yeah, I mean, she got cleared.
01:19:59
She knows, you know, she's been in military court, she's smart,
01:20:03
she knows about the elections and all that stuff.
01:20:06
Listen if any. Who knows?
01:20:08
What's going on between? Like they have what, over 130
01:20:11
subpoenas in that grand jury in Florida, South Florida, by the
01:20:14
time they get through all them, it's going to be a few, probably
01:20:17
a few years. You ain't going to hear nothing
01:20:18
from that case. But see this we have.
01:20:23
A large Department of Justice which is not being utilized.
01:20:26
I mean, there, there are clear and compelling region reasons
01:20:31
for us to go after those who were implicated in the Russia
01:20:35
collusion hoax. And there's other issues
01:20:37
regarding the targeting of just individuals that that has not
01:20:41
been addressed. And I don't know why we're
01:20:43
talking a almost a year and a half in that nobody of any
01:20:47
magnitude has been prosecuted, let alone convicted.
01:20:50
It's it to me, it's insane. And, and there's there's clear
01:20:52
evidence because I know some of this from the you know, Tulsi
01:20:55
Gabbard has made disclosures and recommendations for prosecution
01:20:59
based on fact, and yet nobody's acted on that, which to me is
01:21:02
unconscionable. Yeah, she's she's I like Tulsi.
01:21:04
She's done some great work. You.
01:21:06
Know, but and, you know you'll see influencers that are are
01:21:10
going after her there's a lot of bad shit going on between
01:21:13
conservative influencers and, you know I don't know I try to
01:21:17
stay out of it yeah, I try to stay out of it.
01:21:18
I stay out of it too. Look our good friend Rodger
01:21:21
Stone, he's going to he's battling head to head with
01:21:23
Loomer. Loomer's been attacking a lot of
01:21:25
people. Lance I see you.
01:21:26
I'll get you in a second and you know, it's just they're just
01:21:32
constantly. Attacking each other.
01:21:34
Look at Alex Jones just talked yesterday about 25th and
01:21:38
Amendment Trump. I saw that.
01:21:41
Yeah. What the hell is going on?
01:21:43
So I. Yeah, I, I.
01:21:45
I try to stay out of that. I was, I was on an interview the
01:21:48
other day and they try to get me to jump into.
01:21:51
It's like I'm not jumping into the Civil War.
01:21:52
It's not my interest. My interest is to continue to do
01:21:55
what we do, talk about what's going on and try to interpret
01:21:58
things, not to jump into some sort of stupid, you know,
01:22:02
pissing contest between influencers.
01:22:03
It just, it's just counterproductive as far as I'm
01:22:05
concerned. So no, yeah.
01:22:08
But yeah, I'm. Looking at OK, someone's being
01:22:11
paid to to create all this chaos and division 'cause they want
01:22:16
us, they want us divided. Yep.
01:22:18
And people are just. I mean, they're not.
01:22:20
People are either blind. To it or not seeing it, it's
01:22:23
it's out of control. It really is.
01:22:25
And well, the midterms and chaos is a tool.
01:22:28
If the midterms work tomorrow, we'd be I think we're screwed.
01:22:30
Regardless for. The midterms My my opinion is
01:22:34
the midterms. Are shot without a massive.
01:22:37
Amount of what I would consider, I guess we can give them a
01:22:39
title. Deep state arrest.
01:22:40
We were promised. Yeah, exactly.
01:22:42
We were promised transparency. Accountability and consequences.
01:22:46
If, if, if any of the three of us had committed the majority of
01:22:49
these crimes. I don't care whether it's The
01:22:50
Dirty 51 + 8, the Russian collusion hoax, the Seth Rich
01:22:54
laptop, and and many other topics.
01:22:57
We can. We can, Epstein, we Our doors
01:23:01
have already been. Kicked in.
01:23:02
We would. Have got the flash bangs they
01:23:03
would have kicked our dogs they would have threatened our
01:23:06
families we'd be sitting in there wait with the initial
01:23:08
indictment and then being threatened with the superseding
01:23:11
indictment with you know a lifetime of imprisonment you
01:23:15
know the system is it's selective right it's selective
01:23:18
prosecution. George and I touched on this.
01:23:20
It's it's not equal application of law or the rule of law.
01:23:23
It's basically they decide what they're going to do.
01:23:26
And I and I don't know what happened.
01:23:28
I thought that I thought we were going to get a different result
01:23:30
out of Cash Patel. I thought, well, Lance, I was
01:23:33
just going to say you, you missed it because you were.
01:23:35
Getting your video? Fixed so I asked him who would
01:23:36
he like to see for AAG and he said I heard it Oh, you did
01:23:40
Eagle Head Martin. Yeah.
01:23:41
Yeah. So, you know, it's conveniently
01:23:45
so conveniently Pam now does not have to I think they she doesn't
01:23:50
have to attend those those hearings on the Epstein files
01:23:53
because she's not the AG anymore.
01:23:55
How come? So I talked with Lance about
01:23:58
this the other day on on. My show, I think the reason
01:24:00
they're doing this and I don't I don't why she doesn't want to
01:24:02
talk about it. Epstein was an intelligence
01:24:05
asset of MI 6 Mossad and CIA and, and but Kash Patel and
01:24:10
everybody else will tell you no, it's not Tony.
01:24:12
We know that. But go ahead, I know, I know.
01:24:14
Well, there's reasons why and I. I'm disappointed like you guys
01:24:18
are in that because I can see the outline.
01:24:19
Well, I can't. I have no direct access to those
01:24:22
files. I know what those things look
01:24:24
like. It's like, yeah, I've seen this
01:24:26
movie before. I know what happens.
01:24:27
And they were using him, especially with look at look at
01:24:30
the contacts he had. There's no way he could have
01:24:34
maintained the contacts with the controversy surrounding him
01:24:38
without some level of official state sponsorship again.
01:24:42
And he was even bragging in some of those notes about being in a
01:24:45
skiff, which is a secure intelligence facility, getting
01:24:48
briefings. He says this.
01:24:50
He said it to, to to what? Oh my God.
01:24:57
Steve Bannon. Yes, Yep, the dialogue.
01:25:01
Was clear even in the. Florida.
01:25:03
Case It was clear that he was a confidential informant.
01:25:06
Well, Lebanon. Pam Bondi was attorney general
01:25:11
in Florida. When that was going on, of
01:25:12
course, and the technology they pulled out of the brownstone.
01:25:16
In New York out of the West Palm Beach, FL location out of the
01:25:20
New Mexico property and even Lillian there's been lots of
01:25:24
leaks about it was Israeli driven technology that the the
01:25:28
software that was operating behind the scenes was supplied
01:25:31
by the Israelis. We know about the connection to
01:25:34
Mossad with Maxwell and her father.
01:25:37
It's clear it was there. They don't seem to want to let
01:25:40
it out. But I that you know the problem
01:25:42
being that we were told something else.
01:25:46
We were told during the campaign that if if we all got together
01:25:49
and call us Magar, call us patriots, whatever.
01:25:52
And we made sure he was back in the White House.
01:25:54
He was once and for all going to drain the swamp.
01:25:57
It's going to happen. There would be no coming back
01:25:59
this time that so many high-ranking individuals, and I
01:26:02
don't care what we're talking about, Ray Brennan, Clapper,
01:26:05
comedy, you know, Obama, Clinton, you name it, the list
01:26:09
just goes on and on and on. We thought they were all going
01:26:11
to be wrapped up, that they were going to be arrested and they
01:26:14
were. We were going to clear it out.
01:26:16
And I'm going to say this, I've gone on the line, I'll put my
01:26:18
reputation line. We absolutely will not win the
01:26:22
midterms unless there is a massive amount of arrests and
01:26:25
I'm talking about hundreds of individuals.
01:26:27
They just get snatched up in the dark.
01:26:30
I don't care whether you use special operators or you use
01:26:32
special task force and these people just get snatched up and
01:26:36
their voices just don't get allowed to go into the public.
01:26:38
They're not given, you know, self surrender.
01:26:41
They're not given preferred, you know, bond terms.
01:26:45
But they are snatched up and stuck.
01:26:47
And I don't care whether you want to use Guantanamo.
01:26:49
I'm not even sure legally that's available.
01:26:51
But let's just say that it was and that's it.
01:26:53
If for me, the the military tribunal is 3 days, the the the
01:26:58
connection to treason, seditious conspiracy, it's available.
01:27:02
The laws are on the books. These people violated their
01:27:05
trust. They they weaponized the system
01:27:08
from all ends. But I look, it's not going to
01:27:11
happen. We all know that.
01:27:12
I'm trying to give you a position, Tony.
01:27:16
I I asked for what I so. He asked me what I wanted.
01:27:21
He gave it to Devin Nunez instead.
01:27:22
So I was like, OK, well, I guess I don't need to go in.
01:27:24
Devin. I I I wanted to be on the pithy
01:27:26
ad, the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
01:27:30
So yeah, I'm not. I'm not.
01:27:33
That's hell you. Know could have made another
01:27:35
secret. I don't trust Radcliffe.
01:27:38
Nunes is busy. Still running true social.
01:27:40
I don't think that the job that he's, you know, supposedly been
01:27:44
put in place. Well, I can tell you what Nunes
01:27:46
is doing would be a lot different.
01:27:47
Than what I would have done, just saying my, my vision for
01:27:49
that is a lot different. And so to your point, I wanted
01:27:54
to go in and do things like you're talking about.
01:27:56
I, my problem is that I've seen senior intelligence officers,
01:28:01
you mentioned the 51 + 8. Those people ought to be mostly
01:28:04
in jail, especially Brennan and Clapper.
01:28:06
And I know Clapper directly. I know in person.
01:28:08
And the moment you politicize your, your background and
01:28:13
access, you basically negate your, your oath of office.
01:28:16
That's why I look at it. And they, they took a political
01:28:18
position which was meant to do damage to our, our, the, the
01:28:23
integrity of elections. They're Republic.
01:28:25
They're political prostitutes. Yeah, political.
01:28:28
So. If you're looking for military
01:28:30
leadership, I'm looking for pipe hitters with.
01:28:32
Brains, but that's if I was Donald Trump, that's what I
01:28:35
would have surrounded myself with this second administration
01:28:38
and I would have made very clear I don't expect anybody because
01:28:42
I've been I've heard a lot of rumors like Susie Wiles example
01:28:46
that that are holding back people allegedly from doing
01:28:49
their jobs. And that's the difficulty.
01:28:51
I expected much different. And I guess I'm naive.
01:28:54
I'm naive. I don't have the experience you
01:28:55
have. You know, I've always thought,
01:28:57
you know, if you're going to do the job, you do it to the best
01:28:59
of your ability and the consequences should be swift.
01:29:03
Or violations of United States statutes for violations against
01:29:07
national security. But that doesn't appear to be
01:29:10
the issue. They'd rather they'd rather
01:29:12
continue to do cover ups and hide things.
01:29:14
I'm disappointed by all of it. I don't you know, again, I just
01:29:18
thought you know what would be good AG.
01:29:19
I've been rakely. Yeah, put him in.
01:29:24
I don't know, I. Have my own.
01:29:26
Theory, I know just Ivans a little over the top, yeah, but
01:29:30
put it I know I'm Ivan. Yeah, you're being.
01:29:33
He's just a little over the yeah, but you know what put him
01:29:35
to the test? Only shaper as AG.
01:29:38
And and he can. Put me on a task force.
01:29:40
I just need that presidential immunity letter.
01:29:41
I can promise you that under the cloak of night time, I would be
01:29:46
happy to go and kick in some doors.
01:29:48
I don't like what they did to Donald Trump.
01:29:50
I don't like what they did to Michael.
01:29:51
No, I, I. So this is Rodgers on that
01:29:53
point. Lance, on that point, I can't
01:29:56
believe Trump is not more personally invested in going
01:29:59
after all this. They almost murdered him three
01:30:01
times. Yeah.
01:30:02
How do you not take that person more than that?
01:30:04
From what I've heard there might even be more than that, but.
01:30:06
Let's face it, the other day they gave Mike Flynn a
01:30:09
settlement of 1.25 million. That's what a fucking joke.
01:30:13
Ridiculous what they did to his reputation.
01:30:15
And I don't know whether or not he's going to be allowed to file
01:30:17
a Bivins or a 1983 or a Civil Rights Act.
01:30:21
I mean, they violated his rights.
01:30:22
The DOJ has got lots of bad apples still in their
01:30:25
department. Again, I want to go after
01:30:28
everybody. Me personally, I would have been
01:30:30
snatching up people from Congress in the middle of the
01:30:32
night. Insider trading, mortgage fraud,
01:30:36
lying to the United States public.
01:30:38
These operations are clear. You and I see it.
01:30:40
I mean, I, I do. We do.
01:30:42
I don't get it. We know it's happening.
01:30:45
But of course. When you can, when you can
01:30:46
operate with complete immunity and complete impunity and don't,
01:30:50
there aren't any consequences. Like I said to you, I think I
01:30:52
said it on your show, why does a dog lick his balls?
01:30:55
Because he can. Yeah, you know, but but that's
01:30:58
the thing too, Lance. We can and we're not.
01:31:01
And that's my issue right now. You're not.
01:31:02
He's not putting people in the positions to go do this stuff
01:31:05
with impunity and I don't understand why.
01:31:07
I mean, maybe this is a Sarah Wiles issue, I don't know.
01:31:10
But they need to get their active.
01:31:12
Is he being ill advised? I mean, look, I think he's been
01:31:14
if you look. At people got good positions.
01:31:16
Look at Jeanine. Pirro she was.
01:31:17
Very out judge Jeanine Pirro, very outspoken when she was on.
01:31:20
I know Jeanine Cash Patel, we had him on his show.
01:31:23
He's got. His book Government.
01:31:24
Gangsters. He's laid it out.
01:31:26
He says he needs a good US attorney in DC.
01:31:29
He's got 1 Dan Bongino and all them just big disappointments.
01:31:33
I mean, Dan Bongino left less than a year being being there is
01:31:37
does that really putting up a fight to try to get shit done?
01:31:40
I don't I say no, but I don't know.
01:31:42
Look, I I flamed out in my career.
01:31:44
So I I went down. Swinging.
01:31:46
So I don't know what to tell you.
01:31:47
So yeah. And and then Tony, that's the
01:31:49
difference I would have. There's there's.
01:31:50
Several people you included that come on a short list for me of
01:31:54
people that I would have put in and I would have just said,
01:31:57
look, here's your letter, go to work and just tell me what you
01:32:00
get done. You know, 'cause I think you
01:32:01
need that kind of operational behavior when it comes to cause.
01:32:05
Of course, we've all, you know, we've all seen evil eye to eye
01:32:09
and and you know, you can't fix it.
01:32:11
Those people need to face the consequences.
01:32:13
Tony, we kept you way over cause of course.
01:32:14
Yeah, I got to go. George, it was great meeting
01:32:17
you. Chance to plug everything.
01:32:18
Mention back, mention everything, get it all done.
01:32:21
Yeah, there's more, more. Should we talk?
01:32:22
About and I'm with you. Guys and I, I look, we need to
01:32:26
have. Yeah, that's, that's the British
01:32:28
version, by the way. If, if you, if you there's a
01:32:31
scratch and sniff in the back, it smells like Yorkshire
01:32:33
pudding. No, no, that's a joke.
01:32:34
That's not true. That's not true.
01:32:37
But it's a good book. You guys will enjoy it.
01:32:39
And by the way, I mean, I, like I said, I wrote the good and bad
01:32:41
in that last line. So that's about the the drug
01:32:44
war. The drug war's about to cut,
01:32:46
become a real war. And and you might, we might be
01:32:48
doing some of the things I propose in the book right now.
01:32:50
Just saying. So you know, Yeah, bad too.
01:32:53
It is a war. It is a war well.
01:32:56
We contemplate. A counter campaign against drug
01:32:59
cartels. I want the letters of Marquee to
01:33:01
pass because I've got my own. Thoughts.
01:33:03
I know about an operation overseas that's massive that
01:33:06
I've sent to the right people. We should talk about the Tony, I
01:33:09
should send you a reef I created.
01:33:11
They have no idea that they thought they've got the solution
01:33:14
for of fentanyl and carfentanyl and the precursors, but in fact
01:33:17
they're wrong. There's a complete second
01:33:19
network the US administration doesn't seem to care about and
01:33:25
I've got all the details. I've got ex operators that have
01:33:27
all the proof and are willing to go in and deal with it.
01:33:30
Anyway, thanks for getting us on your your website and your
01:33:34
social media. Yeah, just just just check,
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check me out at at T. Spooky on X.
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Everything is right there. You can get it from there, Tony.
01:33:41
Thanks, brother. We appreciate you.
01:33:43
Thanks. Thanks, George.
01:33:44
Thanks. You're welcome.
01:33:45
God bless. Hopefully see.
01:33:46
You soon. Thank you.
01:33:48
Thanks. I'll just take us.
01:33:49
Take us out or yeah, go ahead. And.
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Take us out, George. I think we've wrapped it up it.
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Was great having him on. Yeah, it was all right, peeps.
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