Point of View September 6, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Kelly Shackelford and Jeff Metteer, California City, Huntington Beach, California

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[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And it says that he will remain in the custody of the Georgia Department of Juvenile Justice until 17.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I just said that. The case has been moved to the adult system.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Jeff, what do you think about the father now being arrested and facing something?

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, what I'm struck by, like we know that the young man committed the crime.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And the reports are he's admitted to committing the crime. But I think it's more than that overwhelming evidence.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know what the points that Kelly has raised. And I really I question whether even the law enforcement knows everything right now.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: It seems to me the shooting was on Wednesday. We're sitting here on Friday.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they arrested him on Thursday, the dad. I mean, I just I the speed.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is the data flight risk? I mean, it's a huge rush to go after the dad.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: What, 24 hours, 36 hours later, they have the evidence to charge him, which are four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the against the dad. I mean, I had to go back and read that twice because I thought, well, that's against the young man.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Why is it involuntary? And then I went back. No, that's against the father.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, those are extremely serious charges to make against someone within two days, less than two days.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that that sort of troubles me. And also, I mean, is this the same is this the same department that had tips about this young man before?

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Are they sort of deflecting and rushing? I mean, I, you know, with Kelly and I are not that far apart in law school.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So I probably have the same textbooks. I mean, we just didn't see this.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We wouldn't see going after the father without some real, real evidence.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got some calls coming in on this issue. We want to know what you think. 800-351-1212. We will be right back.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_07]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_08]: If you type the words tablet kids into a search engine up, we'll pop all sorts of tablets for young children.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_08]: If you look far enough, you will see a press report of a medical study that should warn you not to purchase one of those tablets.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: The Journal of the American Medical Association on Pediatrics documents such concerns in an article on early childhood tablet use and outbursts of anger.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_08]: The researchers found that children who spend 75 minutes or more per day on a computer screen at age three and a half are more likely to experience anger and frustration outbursts a year later.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_08]: The study also warned that this cycle may continue as children who are more likely to express anger and frustration at age four and a half may spend even more time on a tablet a year later.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_08]: As you might imagine, the study was greeted by many skeptics with comments like, tell me something I didn't know.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Any parent or grandparent who has children or grandchildren who have become addicted to digital devices have seen this behavior.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: The value of this study is to document it and predict that it will get worse over time.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_08]: There is some value, obviously, in allowing a young child to look at a computer screen for a few minutes just to get some sanity as you're walking through the valley of the diapers.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Giving a computer tablet to a young child might distract them for a moment.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: It might even help avoid a temper tantrum, but the long-term impact on the child is not good.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It will perpetuate a cycle where a parent gives a tablet to an angry child only later to have an even angrier child.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, this study warns against allowing young children to become addicted to digital devices.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_08]: If we allow that to continue, you will create an unsocialized, tech-dependent angry child.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We are discussing the school shooting near Gainesville, Georgia, that took place on Wednesday of this week.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The father of the shooter, the alleged shooter, has been also arrested.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: This is an interesting tidbit of information.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The teen's grandfather wanted the father to be charged with the son, which is either there's a family issue there

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: or maybe you know something we don't.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think what we've established is there's just a lot we don't know, but let's take some calls.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got some folks on the line.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to Joy in California.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, Joy, about this?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with Kamala.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They should be outlawed.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid to allow that gun to be legal to be bought.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Rob lectured the gun lobby in May this year supporting that gun.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Kamala's right.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They should be outlawed.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You mean AR-15s or all guns?

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The 15s, yeah.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess my question for you is do guns shoot themselves?

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_09]: It's the problem with that, of course, is it would be struck down as unconstitutional if they tried to ban, you know,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_09]: ban a rifle.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean it just wouldn't pass.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Now, you could go a lot into the Second Amendment.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_09]: The founders didn't say you have a right to a handgun, right?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean part of the reason why they gave a right to people to bear arms was in case their government got out of control.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And so they got to have weapons that were more powerful than just a handgun.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that would be the problem is people like to talk about politicians, et cetera, oh, I want to do this, but it's unconstitutional.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So you can't do it.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_09]: So I just don't think that's possible.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess you could make the argument too that it's actually more secure and safe that you would have guns in the hands of private citizens.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's necessary, really, in a society to be able to have that.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean a lot of people would argue that and I agree with that argument.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean and it goes back to how many people are killed each year because of drunk drivers?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So are we going to outlaw cars?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I mean there are people who legitimately use these types of rifles and millions of Americans take care of them.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: They keep them safe.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_04]: They – that they're not an issue.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to take away that, the right of millions of Americans.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, this is a horrific – what happened in Georgia is horrific.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's horrific and it sounds like the school probably handled it the best that it could handle it during the situation.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I think this – the real questions here raise – I mean this young man was on the radar of law enforcement.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And what could have, what should have law enforcement done knowing that this young man was on their radar?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I think that information hopefully will come out and we'll know better because of it.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think the problem is that guns are legal in America.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and the reality is all these horrible shootings occur where guns aren't allowed.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean that's why they – that's why the schools – people feel safe going in there and shooting innocent people because nobody is going to have a weapon.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Same with churches.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Now there are a lot of churches, depends on where you are.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Certainly if you're in Texas where you come in and try to shoot somebody up, you're going to be laid out pretty quickly.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_09]: But that's part of it.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_09]: If you look at where these things happen, it's usually where there aren't weapons.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And the ultimate issue obviously is mental illness.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And these people are obviously mentally off.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And people who are mentally off are going to be able to get whatever they're trying to get to do the horrible thing they're trying to do.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And so we definitely need to address that part of the equation as much as possible too.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The school, Appalachee School, high school received a phone threat earlier that morning that there would be shootings at five schools and that Appalachee would be the first one.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there was actually a warning.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is really amazing.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of amazing that they didn't have more police around the school that day, but I don't know what they had and what they didn't have.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I think one young lady – the story I saw, one young lady, he left a particular classroom to go get his weapon.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And they had – again, they had good – evidently the school had a good security where when you leave like that, it locks the door from somebody being able to just come into the room.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And he came back trying to get in.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_09]: When she looked out and saw that he had a weapon, she didn't open the door.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And so nobody in that room was harmed.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_09]: So it also kind of focuses a little bit on having good security, good procedures at schools.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_09]: We need to do what we can to provide safety for the kids at all these schools, especially because there's not weapons there.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_09]: There needs to be ways to have safety.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And some people say there should be somebody armed there to make sure it doesn't happen.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_09]: But whatever they need to do, it certainly showed in this – I mean how many people?

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Would it have been more than four if he could have gone back into that classroom?

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean I bet.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He turned to another classroom and shot people there.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But let's go to North Carolina and speak with Brent.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Brent, what are your thoughts on this?

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, first of all, I just want to say I really appreciate it.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And I believe you all were spot on with the things you're talking about.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Again, too much – we don't know all the information and definitely can't rush to judgment.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: It seems like they're definitely moving fast on this father thing.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_06]: My concern would be at what point we're seeing the kid – the parents are held accountable.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Is it 17, 18, 19?

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean they're still your kid.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that there's definitely some big dynamics of problems with that family.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_06]: But to say the father is responsible, I think I would say I have a problem with that until there's something really proven for that.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like we need to be watching this one.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Sam.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate your call.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to Mary in Georgia.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Mary.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for calling.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you hear me?

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm driving.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I live in Georgia.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a mom, a high school teacher, a gun owner.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the parent of a high school teacher.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot of thoughts on this.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But the first thing I wanted to ask about is I'm kind of surprised that everybody's saying, oh, no, why is the father being arrested?

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: A 14-year-old is a child.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: If I gave my child a gun and didn't supervise him and he shot himself with it, would I not have some legal responsibility or criminal responsibility there?

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I would like to ask the lawyers why is it not illegal for me to give a gun to a child and let him shoot other children with it?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, that's the thing is, you know, if he'd have given – obviously if he'd have given the gun to his son to go shoot other children,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_09]: the father is going to be responsible too.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of people have guns in the house, and they're owned by the adults, and yet they let their sons shoot, whether it's for sporting or whatever else.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And so that's why you just kind of have to know more of the facts of, you know, what are the facts that would hold – and there might be there.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_09]: There might be plenty there.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_09]: It's just we haven't really been told yet.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_09]: And Jeff's point was, you know, you can take a few days and get your facts together if you're the police before you bring charges and put somebody in jail.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_09]: You want to kind of make sure you nail down your facts.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_09]: And this happens so quickly that, you know, either they're moving quickly because they have a whole lot of facts somehow very quickly that show that the parent is responsible or they're moving too quickly.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's the danger.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And we have this weird dichotomy going on right now where in California, if you're a parent, it's now against the law for a school district to notify a parent if your child is going through gender dysphoria and maybe wanting to change their sex.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You're literally not allowed to tell the parent.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And so evidently the parent's not involved in these things.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And then in the other case, you know, you're holding the parent responsible.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And so it's very different.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean is the parent in control or is the parent not in control?

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_09]: It's interesting kind of the schizophrenia we're going through right now as a country trying to figure this out.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that kind of speaks to another story we're going to tackle before the program's over today.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to take another call here.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to Sam in Georgia.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Sam, hi.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for calling.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for taking my call.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I am directly connected.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to give me a real quick comment and I'll hold you over the break.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm directly connected to the great.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a dear friend who's friends with him.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Colin, from what I understand, was abused himself, abused children, abused others, and he's repeated that in his life with his son.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: There's history of that.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The police have that history.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I wholeheartedly support the fact that he's been arrested.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He is missing one charge of child abuse.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, thanks so much, Sam.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think we got the information.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for that call.

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_07]: And now, here again is Pana Dexter.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And Kelly Shackelford and Jeff Matier, we want to thank you.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: All of those who called in, we've still got some folks waiting on the line, but we're going to move on to another issue because we kind of realize that there's a lot we don't know.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we'll probably pick up this issue later, maybe next week on Point of View after more information comes out.

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[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that when folks call in to Point of View.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But on this next front, I actually wrote a commentary last week.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We aired it on our website during some breaks last week, like my commentaries will sometimes be aired.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This one was called California Parental Sanctuary, and you've all heard of sanctuary cities.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: As a matter of fact, this week the news came out also that one of the sanctuary cities,

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and that definition has come to mean sanctuary cities from having to comply with government laws about illegal immigrants.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: New York says they're a sanctuary city.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They are sanctuary cities.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They've got all kinds of illegals streaming into the town.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: As a matter of fact, a stat came out this week that 75 percent of those arrested for crimes in New York are illegals.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a huge problem there.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is a sanctuary city in the opposite sense of the word because a mayor,

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the mayor of Huntington Beach, California, which is a coastal beach city,

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: actually a great surfing spot out there near where I grew up.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: All the guys at our high school would go there to surf because it's such a great place.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also a great place to raise a kid, a child apparently, and the mayor there, Gracie Vandermark,

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: wants to make Huntington Beach a parent's right to know city.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: She's actually on Tuesday officially did that,

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and the reason she has to do it is because of a law that was passed and signed by the governor in California,

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: AB 1955, which prevents school districts from enforcing any policy that requires schools to disclose information

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_03]: related to the child's sexual orientation or gender identity.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So it really sends a signal to the community in Huntington Beach, those residents,

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that that city is a parent's right to know city, that educators don't get to get in between parents and students,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: especially on this really key important issue about surgeries for transgenders.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing that this state, other states like Minnesota,

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: have these kind of laws that don't allow parents to know or have anything to do with their child having these radical surgeries.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's what we're facing, isn't it?

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I mean, this is a battle going on right now.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_09]: We established, I mean, over 100 years ago that there is a fundamental constitutional right of a parent

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_09]: to direct the upbringing and education of their own children.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_09]: There's a number of Supreme Court cases on this.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_09]: They tried to say, for instance, well, you have to put your child in public school.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And Supreme Court said you can't do that.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_09]: They get to control the education and upbringing of their children.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And so we kind of know that.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_09]: We know that the parents have control.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_09]: The issue that's now being sort of brought up all of a sudden in a lot of different cases is, okay,

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_09]: what if your kid's in the public school?

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, compulsory attendance is requiring them to be in the public school.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_09]: So parents don't give up their rights.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_09]: They are the ones with the fundamental right to direct the upbringing and education of their children.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_09]: But this is going to have to be fought out in the courts because we really don't have any sort of Supreme Court cases

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_09]: on sort of parental rights in a definite way in the public school.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_09]: But I see it what these places are doing as violations of that fundamental right.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_09]: The government cannot presume something wrong with the parent, and therefore they don't have a right to know.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Now, if there's evidence that you've got an abusive parent situation or something like that, that's one thing.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_09]: But otherwise, the presumption, all the law favors the parent as being the one that's best for controlling the decisions

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_09]: regarding their children, and that goes back to the very difference between us and like communism and socialism and Marxism.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Our children are not children of the state.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_09]: They're children of their parents, and they have the authority and the control.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And it's a huge religious freedom issue, as you might guess,

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_09]: because the parents are typically trying to lead their child in accordance with their faith.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think these are going to be fought out, and we have a number of these.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_09]: We're about to file a big one of these that's just got horrific facts regarding the destruction of parental rights

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_09]: and what they're doing to children.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_09]: You need parents.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Parents tend to be the ones who care most for their children and will fight to protect their children,

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_09]: and that's what the law really does recognize.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: When you said this is a religious liberty issue, I often see religious liberty.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest opponent to it in our country is the LGBT agenda,

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and specifically in this law it's the transgender agenda that would say that you need to be able to have gender-affirming care,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a terrible way to describe it, but that's the way they do try to describe it,

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to care for this child, and it's being deprived by these parents, so the state needs to do it.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of what it looks like, and I cannot believe that any state, even a leftist progressive state like California,

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: would be able to say we have a law that deprives parents of their rights to oversee their child's health care.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just amazing that it's happening, and actually what is happening, which is a good thing,

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: is the city of Huntington Beach is now suing the state of California.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So comment on that. How do you think that will turn out?

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know because I'm not an expert on California municipal law,

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so I have some questions, but I should say, politically, bravo that someone is standing up against this nonsense,

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's why I keep thinking. I mean I read these things.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think this is just – I mean I just – it's like we've been asleep

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and we're waking up into this strange new world, and using Professor Carl Truman's words, that isn't this too far?

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I thought when this law went into effect this summer, I mean this is outrageous,

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and I mean people should be doing something.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Gracie Vandermark, the mayor of Huntington Beach is doing something.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, and she is, and I do wonder what is the school district in Huntington Beach doing?

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean where are they? I would hope that they're joining in this lawsuit to stand up again against this nonsense,

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and as Kelly has said, I mean the whole fundamental right, and if anything that we should know is parents don't lose their rights

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: simply because they've enrolled their children into a public school.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So many parents, especially in California, really don't – wouldn't have an alternative but to send their children to the public schools,

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: either from just location or just financially that they don't have an alternative.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that if you're a person of faith and you lose those rights because you have to send your kids to public school,

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: we had a case recently in just the last few months that successfully wrapped up in Minnesota,

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: representing a group of moms who objected to the curriculum that their students were being exposed to that was pushing the LGBTQ agenda.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: In this case those moms were Muslim moms.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They were Somali refugees who escaped their country to come to America thinking they would have religious freedom,

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: only to put their kids in the public schools and have them taught contrary to.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And their reasonable request was that we don't want our kids involved in that.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We want to opt them out, and the school district was – fought against that first, told them no,

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and fortunately we were able to step in and get that reversed.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's the same thing.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't lose their rights to their religion, whether it's their Muslim religion or it's an evangelical Christian

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: or it's a Catholic Christian or it's someone else.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't lose those rights, and we know from the Coach Kennedy that even teachers don't lose their religious liberty rights

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_04]: just because students don't lose their religious liberty rights and parents don't either.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the teachers – I'm sure in a lot of these communities around California there are a lot of teachers

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: who want to tell the parents what's going on, but they are now precluded by law from doing that with this bill

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: that's been enacted this summer, AB 1955.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know what the laws are in Minnesota where Tim Walz, the VP candidate, is governor,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but they have a pretty draconian system there too, and they welcome young people to come in

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and even without their parents' permission get these kinds of surgeries and things.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So – and all this I think has hit very quickly.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It has come upon us quickly, and it's – hopefully our government gets some common sense

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and that we can somehow, whether it be in the courts or just some common sense legislation passed on a federal level.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a lot of states have done the right thing and stopped this stuff,

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but then there are states like California and Minnesota that are on the other side of the issue.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, our children are at stake.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So you might want to go to pointofview.net and check out the article that we've put up there.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Kudos to Huntington Beach, California for suing the state of California.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We will be right back.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of a new rule the Biden-Harris administration issued last spring,

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: students in nearly half the states face some disturbing changes as they return to their schools and colleges.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The rule is the result of a rewrite of Title IX of the education amendments enacted in 1972

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: specifically to protect women and girls.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Title IX forbids discrimination on the basis of sex in any federally funded education program.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The new rule expands the definition of sex to include gender identity.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Title IX was a hard-won feminist goal that has resulted in groundbreaking opportunities and protections for women.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: In issuing the rewrite, U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona stated,

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: For more than 50 years, Title IX has promised an equal opportunity to learn and thrive in our nation's schools free from sex discrimination.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: With the stroke of a pen, the president erased this progress.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Attorney Sarah Partial Perry is the Heritage Foundation's expert in Title IX.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She explains that in over half the nation, girls and women will no longer have any sex-separated bathrooms,

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: locker rooms, housing accommodations or other educational programs.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Despite disclaimers, Sarah Perry says, women's sports are likely on the chopping block too.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: On August 1st, the new Biden rule went into effect with no celebratory statement from the White House.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps the administration didn't want to call attention to the rule's unpopularity.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: 26 states and several membership organizations and individual plaintiffs filed a total of 10 lawsuits against the new rule.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The lawsuits described the administration's action as illegal, unconstitutional

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and arbitrary and capricious under the Administrative Procedure Act.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Sarah Perry says, ultimately, the bulk of the litigation over the Title IX rule seems destined for resolution by the U.S. Supreme Court.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, in most of the lawsuits, the new rule is temporarily enjoined from taking effect.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be some uncertainty out there.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, the court stops this nonsense.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_07]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the final segment of Point of View.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Early in the program, we talked about the issue of freedom of speech and, you know, should sort of the question,

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: should the federal government and its agencies be able to pressure social media companies to throw people off if they say the wrong thing,

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: ban misinformation, that type of thing.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And Abigail Schreier wrote a piece for the Free Press, which I posted at pointofview.net.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to have really time to unpack it any more than we already did.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's another question that it would be great if it were asked at the debate.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: If Vice President Harris would be asked what, you know, does she still think the same way that she thought in 2019,

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: where she thought that it was a privilege to be able to post comments on these social media sites,

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_03]: but you could lose the privilege if you posted what she considers to be misinformation

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: or if you posted really something that the government opposes.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So many issues are falling under that rubric,

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and it was a scary comment from her back then that she made to Jake Tapper at CNN.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She made it on multiple occasions.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So we know how she, at least back then, thought about the issue.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She wants the government to basically be able to force these companies to censor its users.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's scary, but that's at pointofview.net.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I recommend you to read it.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But I want to get to this other case that First Liberty has been working on for years

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and actually won a battle at the Supreme Court.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It was called Carson versus Macon, the case was.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a victory for school choice for religious schools.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And so explain the case, Kelly.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Basically what happened, Maine for 130 years has had most of their school districts don't even have public schools.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_09]: So they've always allowed the parents to pick whatever private or public school they wanted,

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_09]: but they added a provision 30 or so years ago for the first time

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_09]: to try to tell them they couldn't pick a school that was religious.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And we went to the Supreme Court because parents should be able to pick whatever school is best for their kids.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And we won six to three, that that was unconstitutional.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_09]: You can't exclude the religious schools.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_09]: So what happened is the attorney general of Maine and the legislature first started talking bad about the Supreme Court

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_09]: and then decided, well, we'll show them.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_09]: What we'll do is, and they literally were reading from the doctrinal statement of the Christian school that we represented

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_09]: in the legislature to say that we're going to make sure that places like this can't get funds

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_09]: because we're going to say if you quote discriminate in your beliefs against LGBT,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_09]: you know, OK, then you can't you can't participate in the school choice program.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And so this is their new approach.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_09]: So we're not going to exclude all Christian schools, just ones who are biblical in this way.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And and that's still discrimination based upon religion.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_09]: But this is what they're trying to do.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And the district court judge said, hey, you know, set it up well for appeal.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, and this federal court of appeals is not real friendly on these issues.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_09]: We had to overturn them last time.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_09]: So this is going to be an uphill battle until we get to the Supreme Court.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_09]: But we're hopeful because it's the same case, really, that the Supreme Court will be ready to address this,

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_09]: because it really does no good to say, oh, we won't allow you discriminate on the basis of religion.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_09]: If you can discriminate against people because of their religious beliefs.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_09]: We're not going to ban all religious schools, just ones that believe like you do.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a problem.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And so it's a it's a case we've got to win for the sake of Christian schools all over the country that are trying to follow the Bible.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So how has the the first case, Carson versus Macon, how is that played out across the country?

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's it's the law of the land.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Everybody anywhere you have a school choice program anywhere in the country, whether it's a local one, whether it's a statewide one, you cannot exclude religious.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you heard of a lot of states where that's helped some schools?

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's certainly clarified things made very clear.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And as new states, I mean, Texas is having a battle right now on whether they're going to have school choice.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_09]: As soon as these new programs come into place all over the country, immediately parents will have the authority to pick the school that's best for their kids.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_09]: And that'll make a big difference.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's that's a huge victory in and of itself.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, what we can't allow them to do is this sort of backdoor run to discriminate against all the religious schools that are really serious about their faith.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe you're more biblical.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of neuters the first decision.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's almost worse.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_09]: It'd be one thing to ban all religious schools is quite another thing to say, no, we're just banning certain religious schools that have these types of beliefs.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's really dangerous for the government to have that kind of authority.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So was it frustrating, Jeff, to you to see this happening?

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Or did you got how soon did you guys know that this law had been passed during the other case?

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The end, actually, while we were waiting for the Supreme Court's decision.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that Maine, the officials in Maine knew that a bad result was coming.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And so this was taken in anticipation of that bad result.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of like this.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You think about it.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So what Carson, what Carson be making does is it tells a state that you can have a school choice law and you don't need to exclude religious schools.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Because in the past, we had arguments even in Texas.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I heard the arguments all we can't have school choice because you can't have religious schools, because that would violate the establishment clause.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Carson and Kennedy do away with that.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So now you have.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And so any state that wants to, for instance, Florida has based upon Carson.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Florida has expanded their school choice.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Other states are doing it.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So states who want to do it.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And so primarily red states want to expand it in the blue states in which Maine is a blue state.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You have them now saying, oh, well, we want to have the program, but then we're going to have these little which essentially excludes religious schools.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a I mean, it is a it's a logical in the sense of it's another opportunity for us to once and for all say there cannot be any discrimination in school choice.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we thought Carson said that.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But this will give in the author of Carson was Chief Justice John Roberts.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It'll give hopefully him or another of the justices the opportunity to say once and for all.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Quite frankly, this should be one that's like our groff case.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It should be unanimous at the Supreme Court stopping this nonsense.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a different part of the case.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Is this a different court than Carson versus now?

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the exact same exact same court and which was six three.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Carson was six three.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But the court said that.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So one would hope that the court would say, look, we've said it.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Get the message.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So I do hope that school choice is an election issue also, because I think that the black community across the country, if we had more school choice, even in blue states, red states everywhere.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_03]: They would I mean, many African-Americans actually vote Republican just because of school choice and because they they care about their kids and their kids are really stuck in bad schools.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But right now, this issue is more about the religious nature of the school and Christian schools.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they're wonderful places most of the time.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't want to actually you're neutering the Christian school if they can't adhere to biblical orthodoxy.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you, guys.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: All I just the good work that First Liberty has done and does.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And these these wins that have taken place recently that are just have huge impact.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's just really you guys are a national treasure.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And ladies and gentlemen, if you do nothing else, pray for First Liberty Institute, because there's so many other matters that are just that just keep flowing in.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And so.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Kelly, thank you so much for being here today.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It was really great to have you and Jeff.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: The two of you together was a special treat.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I really appreciate it.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Always enjoy talking to you, Steve.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for everything you did to get the show ready.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And you too, Megan and Karen for the website.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope and pray that all of you have a wonderful weekend.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: God bless you.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Kirby will be back here on Monday.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_07]: It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_07]: They say men can be women and women, men.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_07]: People are prosecuted differently or not at all, depending on their politics.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law abiding citizens.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_07]: It's so overwhelming.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_07]: So demoralizing.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_07]: You feel like giving up, but we can't.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_07]: We shouldn't.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_07]: We must not.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II, never give in.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Never give in.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Never, never, never.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Never yield to force.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what we say to you today.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_07]: This is not a time to give in, but to step up and join Point of View in providing clarity in the chaos.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_07]: We can't do it alone, but together with God's help we will overcome the darkness.

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