Point of View September 5, 2024 – Hour 1 : Refusing a Crown

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hour 2, September 5, 2024, Point of View Radio Talk Show, Point of View Radio Talk Show,

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But since we're at KYCC, I thought it would be good to chat for just a few minutes to the general manager of KYCC, Brent Randall.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And Brent, it is always great to be here and you are such a gracious host.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We're always thrilled to have you and Warren here and the Point of View team.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This is your third or fourth time here, through here and doing the show live from KYCC.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just thrilled to have you here.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And always good to be with you.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I might just mention for especially our listeners in Northern California, you are going to be announcing something that I've known about because I'm one of the speakers.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, 50 years is very important.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: A couple of years ago we had the 50th anniversary of Point of View.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: About two years ago, the 50th anniversary of Probe Ministries where I work.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: This last year, the 50th anniversary of my wife and our 50th anniversary.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But next year will be 50 years for KYCC.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us more.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We signed on in 1975 as a 10-watt station.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You could not even hear us in all of central Stockton.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've grown a little bit since then.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was 50 years ago.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so in 2025, all year long, we'll be celebrating our 50th year on the air.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But on May 1st, Thursday night, we are hosting our 50th anniversary gala.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And Kirby, we're giving you the honor of us announcing this on Point of View.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We have not mentioned this on the air.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the very first time we've mentioned on the air that we are hosting a gala on May 1st.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we've been teasing it on the air.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Our listeners have heard us run a little teaser.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: May 1st is coming up.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: May 1st is coming up.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time we've mentioned on the air that we're having a gala.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason we're mentioning it on Point of View is because, as you mentioned,

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you are one of our special guests going to be at the gala that evening, May 1st.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And you also, of course, have an individual very involved in the political realm

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and also one of the pastors that has been on your program for some time as well.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We are bringing Pastor Ken Gurley from Pearlin, Texas.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Our listeners know him as the host of Daily Devotion with Ken Gurley

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that we play every morning at 545 and every afternoon at 545.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been on the air with us now.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, May 1st will be our second anniversary of having Ken on the air with us.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're just super excited about him being a part of the gala.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're bringing our good friend Randy Thomason from SaveCalifornia.com.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be there as well coming in from Sacramento.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, our Point of View listeners know who Randy is.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We play his feature every day between 11 and 1 here during Point of View.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we are inviting the entire national Point of View audience to come join us

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: in Lodi, California on the night of Thursday, May 1st for the 50th anniversary gala for KYCC.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All your details, tickets, and all that information can be found at our website, kycc.com,

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: which by the way, we've been keeping all this information under wraps.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We just put it on the website today.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you can access all the information about the gala that's coming up.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, it's on the website for those of you that want to check that out.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be here with my wife and looking forward to that as well.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, just a lot of 50s that have been taking place.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, now we're coming up to I guess you would next year will be 53 years of Point of View.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, just a lot of things happening in that regard.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just real quickly mention that especially we have so many listeners in the state of Georgia

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that of course you have the Georgia School Shooter.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And according to what we now know, the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: he's been on their radar for some time, led of course to a mass shooting

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and an individual that is all of 14 years of age.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So we may talk about this a little bit more, especially tomorrow.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Pentadexter doing the roundtable discussion while we're flying back.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into that in a little bit more detail.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But a real concern, and that is one issue that I thought I might mention.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: One other one I just thought I would also mention.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You remember the shooting that took place in Nashville.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And this was at a Christian school, the Covenant School there in Nashville.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We now actually have the entire, if you will, manifesto of this individual,

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: this trans-identified individual.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really concerning because first of all,

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: there was an attempt to try to prevent that from being revealed.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But now at least the Tennessee Star and some others have made that public.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And, of course, this is not just a random act of violence,

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but an individual that seemed to have great disdain and anger towards Christianity,

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: even her parents' biblical beliefs, and so attacked those children in Covenant School.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes when we talk about these shootings, people want to talk about the guns.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And certainly having those in the hands of some of these individuals is of concern.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But the bigger issue is what was going on in the minds of those individuals

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and something that is of great concern.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just thought I would point that out

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and recognize that those are a couple of issues that we'll be talking about.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me also just mention again that bottom of the hour we're going to be talking with Richard Lim.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Now he has a book coming out about George Washington,

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's going to fit very well with the fact that George Washington is an individual

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: who even though he had certainly won the American Revolution,

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: turned down the opportunity to become king.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Then after serving two terms as president, turned down the opportunity for a third.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And at a time when you have so many ambitious politicians,

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: at a time when we have so much conflict taking place in our schools,

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and in our political realm, and everywhere we find ourselves with a politicized culture,

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he really feels that this book might just be a way to remind us of the need for us

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to maybe be a little more humble and certainly talk about the kind of communication that is taking place.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And in the second hour we will have Josh McDowell, he and Tim Moloff have written a book called

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: End the Stalemate, Move Past the Cancel Culture to Meaningful Conversations.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're going to talk about the kind of conversation we try to have here on Point of View

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: when we recognize how important these issues are, but we need to, even if we may disagree,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: do so without being disagreeable.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the issues that we'll be talking about today I think all fit under the category

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: of us wanting to treat other people as we would want to be treated.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's known as the golden rule, for us to really be individuals that have a great deal of civility

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and being able to communicate some of those ideas.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But let me just mention as well as we're moving our way through some of the material for today

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first half hour, I have posted a couple of articles,

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: one having to do with this whole idea of social media.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll come back to this in just a minute in terms of whether

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: or not there's a great deal of censorship.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing more and more individuals saying that we should go out of our way to try to put people

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like Elon Musk in the jail or to at least cite him for the willingness to have an open

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and free discussion.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get into that.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll also have some information about the current presidential candidates' statements

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: about reparations and also maybe just a little bit of an update on some of these swing states

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: where these decisions are going to be made about the political campaign.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously a lot to cover today, a few more book interviews than normal,

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think you will appreciate the conversation with Richard Lim.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's an individual of course that's been on the Millennial Roundtable on a pretty regular basis,

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: probably best known for this American President blog that he has been doing,

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think you'll appreciate his conversation.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But then also of course we will be talking with Sean McDowell and get into some of those details as well.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me encourage you to go to the website pointofview.net.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And one last time, got to promote again KYCC.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have this wonderful gala that will be taking place May 1st,

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and I am so excited about that and grateful that I was invited to come and speak.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Looking forward to being on that team of speakers.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Americans have been concerned about immigration and particularly about the lack of border security.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I wondered how the mainstream media would try to deflect the issue.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The New York Times published a report with the headline,

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: In J.D. Vance's Backyard, Conspiracy Theories About Migrants And Voting Abound.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The headline of the Washington Post report proclaims that Republicans flood TV

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: with misleading ads about immigration and the border.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: In a recent commentary, Rich Lowry explains that all of this represents

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: not so much fact checking by the press as narrative policing.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Certain facts and opinions are deemed false or conspiracy theories

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: based merely on their political inconvenience.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Are illegal immigrants voting?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Even the New York Times article admits that they are voting in local elections

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: in mostly deep blue areas.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Officials argue that they should be allowed to vote because they pay taxes.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't take much imagination to see how that argument can be used

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: to expand the voting franchise.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the left-wing Center for American Progress argues that a pathway to citizenship

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The Washington Post article complains that the political ads create a false impression

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that migrants are flooding unchecked into the United States.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Rich Lowry asks, a false impression?

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: What would it take to convince the Post that migrants are flooding into this country?

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The article also criticizes another political ad that mentions terrorists and prostitution.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Rich Lowry points out that there is an established fact that terrorists have been crossing the border

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and women have been sex trafficked across the border.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, concerns about immigration and border security aren't conspiracy theories

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but well-documented facts.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's pointofview.net.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Back once again broadcasting live from a remote broadcast today,

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: KYCC in Stockton, California, and we are going to be talking with Richard Lim

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in about 15 minutes, but before we do so, posted a couple of articles that I think you might find helpful.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: One of those is by David Harsanyi, in which he actually reminds us that a number of years ago,

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: then-Vice Presidential candidate and then-Vice President Kamala Harris

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: asked about this issue of social media by CNN's Jake Tapper,

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: said that social media companies are directly speaking to millions and millions of people

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: without any level of oversight or regulation, and it has to stop.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now David Harsanyi says, well, does it?

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he says every two-bit authoritarian in history has justified censoring its citizens

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: as a way of protecting them from the menace of so-called disinformation.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But social media sites oftentimes have actually, as we now know, cooperated with the government,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes willingly, it turns out a little bit, maybe unwillingly,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: if you take seriously some of the things that Mark Zuckerberg has said recently.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And he brings us down to what is happening right now in Brazil,

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: because the Brazilian Supreme Court has unanimously upheld the decision by one of the justices

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to shut down the Elon Musk X, that would be formally known as Twitter,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: over the question of misinformation fears.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so what kind of actions are happening in other countries?

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Also the attempt to begin to penalize X or other more free speech platforms

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: in places like the EU are becoming some really concerns.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so David Harsanyi says, it seems to me that the state shuttering one of the most popular

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: social media sites unmistakably qualifies as a ban on political speech,

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: whether one person is responsible or an entire government.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He says, and make no mistake, it's politically motivated,

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because you've had individuals that have said, for example, the Brazilian president,

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: just because the guy has lots of money doesn't mean he can disrespect the country,

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and so he wants to shut that down.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, interestingly enough, Elon Musk could simply say that, well,

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you will certainly be able to shut down X, but I still have a satellite ability

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: for people to pull that down, but he's decided to at least go along with that

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: for at least a short period of time.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the things that we're starting to see more and more is this real push

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: for censorship, and if you say, well, what happens in Brazil?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that just stay in Brazil, or would we see something like that in the United States?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me give you a quote from The Washington Post

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe one from The New York Times.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: A recent column in The Washington Post observed that Western government

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: until recently did not regard social media and the vision of free speech they promoted

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: as being fundamentally at odds with democracy.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But then the author really concludes that now when you've got Elon Musk

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: or over in Europe, in France, you have Pablo Duroff facing the revenge of the regulators

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and warns that these men, meaning, you know, individuals that have a social media platform,

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: will have to think more carefully about whose soil they're on when they step off the plane.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have another individual writing in The Guardian,

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and that would be the former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who is one, interestingly enough,

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: suggests that maybe it is possible that Elon Musk should actually be threatened

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: with arrest by many of the regulators.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He's writing, of course, to those in Europe, but maybe even in the United States.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then if we go to The New York Times, you have another case in which they wondered,

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: is the First Amendment out of control?

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And then ask a question, the Constitution is sacred, but is it also dangerous?

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you think that those are just a few comments, and I've already given you Washington Post,

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardian, and New York Times, don't forget that we have a Supreme Court Justice,

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's Supreme Court Justice Conjie Brown Jackson, who complained a while back

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that the First Amendment was, quote, hamstringing the government.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: My answer to that would be, of course it is.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the purpose of not only that amendment but the Bill of Rights.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I do believe that one of the articles I've posted for you there is to pay attention

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to what the candidates are saying now about free speech, about disinformation and misinformation.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So that is certainly the case.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Another key issue is, of course, how the economy is doing, and that is an article by Sarah Arnold.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah Arnold talks about the fact that if you look at right now the various swing states,

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the seven swing states, and I oftentimes take North Carolina out of that and talk about six swing states,

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but she talks about all seven, that in most of those swing states, when voters,

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that is most likely to vote, that is voters are asked about the economy,

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: they all will agree that they are convinced that President Donald Trump,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: former President Donald Trump, would do a better job of the economy

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and even though you have the current presidential nominee, Kamala Harris,

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: claiming that she would fix the economy, you have, of course, the legacy of Bidenomics,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but you also have some of the other claims being made that will fix that by doing a number of things.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: For example, on Tuesday, Kamala Harris unveiled a new tax proposal for small businesses.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: One would increase the federal government's small business tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The Harris campaign claims that this would reduce the burden for starting a new business.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That may be a positive, but we'll have to see what that looks like once you start running the numbers,

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but you are well aware of the fact that she's talked about wanting to give $25,000 to first-time home buyers.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: In my commentary this week, you might have seen me talk about what that does to issues of supply and demand.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, of course, wanting to provide $6,000 for individuals with a newborn

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and another $3,000 for a child credit.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: These all have expenses, and so there are reasons why people looking at some of these tax proposals

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: aren't necessarily convinced that that's an answer to those questions.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You might say, well, even if we don't necessarily hear a great deal from the presidential nominee for the Democratic Party,

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: how about the vice presidential nominee?

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: This particular article by Sarah Arnold reminds us that when you talk to the governor of Minnesota,

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: who is, of course, the current vice presidential candidate, ask about those questions.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: For example, one of the questions was, Governor, what's your administration going to do about lowering prices?

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you answer the question?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Then someone else said, what's your policy on the economy?

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Can we get a question at some point through?

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And in every particular case, ignored the question and proceeded on as usual.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is why if you start looking at what is going to unfold now that Labor Day is in our rearview mirror

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're now looking at the days leading up to, of course, the November election,

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: when you look at some of these key states, and we're talking about Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania,

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and Wisconsin, when at least asking the question about the economy,

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: those individuals are all pretty much convinced that Donald Trump would do a better job of trying to answer those questions

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: than someone else.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it brings us back to, of course, one of the resources that we have on the website that I did want to mention again,

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and that is the Election Central.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to the website, on the right-hand column there, you will see Election Central.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I might just mention we also have our events registration, even though today we're in California,

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: in a few weeks we're going to be in Peoria, Illinois,

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: so you might want to check out that events registration if you're in that area of the country.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But the Election Central is just a reminder of the fact that we really live in a time in which this could be a very close election.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I gave you some initial indication of how close it would be, but let's just look over the last year.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Last year in 2023 was an off-year election, and yet you had 26 elections that ended in ties.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that amazing?

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And another seven that were decided by one vote.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can see that even in an off-year election, that's pretty significant.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But more importantly, the Public Interest Legal Foundation actually said over the last 22 years there have been 625 elections that ended in tie votes,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: 162 elections that were decided by one vote.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can see that not only when you look at the presidential election,

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but all the way down to school board, city council, and the rest,

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: these are places where again it's really important for you to make sure that you and anyone that you know is registered to vote,

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then most importantly that they go out and actually vote.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But even when we look at the presidential election, don't forget that George W. Bush won the 2000 presidential election by the slimmest of margins.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically 537 votes in Florida was enough for him to be elected over Al Gore.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Then won the re-election in 2004 with 20 electoral votes from the state of Ohio by 50.8%.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But the most recent one, of course, is I've mentioned this before, but it's worth mentioning one more time,

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that if you just look at the three closest states that actually were voting for Joe Biden,

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: again, 43,000 votes. That's all it is.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, we're going to take a break. We'll be back right after these important messages.

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[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And now, here again is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for joining me once again.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We are broadcasting this Thursday from the remote studio of KYCC in Stockton, California.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And this half hour we're going to spend some time talking with Richard Lim.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: If you have been listening to Point of View any length of time, you've probably heard him in interviews we've done with him and also heard him on the Millennial Roundtable.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And so whether you have followed him because of being on Point of View, maybe you've followed his podcast, The American President.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He has been on a number of different programs as well.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's also been writing for the Heritage Foundation Daily Signal.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And is an individual that has really wanted to focus on some of these very important issues, certainly from the 18th century.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But as we get into this, you'll see that some of the things we're talking about in this book that will be coming out soon, I think relate very much to the 21st century.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We do have a link to RichardMLim.com.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't have to remember all that because it's on the website.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And the book we're going to be talking about, that will be coming out in the future, Refusing a Crown, George Washington and the Myth that Made America.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Richard, welcome back to Point of View.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Always good to be here. Thank you for having me.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if we can talk about George Washington.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here in Stockton.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And if I were to grab a microphone and go out and talk to some of the students here that are nearby where this radio station is, or other citizens walking by and ask them, tell me something about George Washington.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time you would hope that they could at least tell you that he was the first president.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Although I've watched some jaywalking and water's world where they couldn't even tell you who the first president of the United States was.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But most people might know two things, and I've seen this on the video that we are pointing people to Refusing a Crown.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: They may know George Washington as the first president, and they know he had slaves.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But they don't probably know anything else.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And you are convinced that there are some really important lessons we can learn from one of the more iconic actions of George Washington, hence the reason you wanted to write the book.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell us more?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So I started getting fascinated with George Washington when I visited China, actually, of all places.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: My stepdad's family is from China, and this was in 2007.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: We had a family reunion meeting tons of relatives that I'd never met before, many of which are from China and spoke no English.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And we were talking with a relative of mine who was quite critical of American foreign policy at the time.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It was during the Iraq War.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But when the conversation turned to history, he kind of said out of the blue that the historical figure he admires so much is George Washington.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was intrigued by that because I thought to myself, here's somebody who is quite critical of the United States,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: but his favorite historical figure is George Washington.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Why was that?

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Why is that the case?

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So I started studying George Washington, and I realized that Washington is one of the greatest arguments for American exceptionalism.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It stuns people around the world that he gave up power, and not just once but twice.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's something people have mentioned.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Howard Stern, the great social philosopher Howard Stern, once said that his favorite president is George Washington because he could have been a king.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's some truth to that.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: A little bit of that is shrouded in myth.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is that he gave up power, and that was monumental.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's something that resonates with people all around the world.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: People in China who had to live under Mao Zedong, who had to live under a military leader who then parlayed that into totalitarian power.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: For anyone to give up power, it is a stunning act, and it's something that we Americans have forgotten.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about those two elements because one of those was after the Revolutionary War.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Against all odds, if you really want to be honest, here taking a ragtag group of regulars and militia against the greatest military power of the 18th century

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and eventually through all sorts of different untold victories but many, many retreats, wins.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That would have set him up, first of all, to be the king.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I might just encourage people to go to Richard M. Lim because you can watch this about five minute video.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's got one picture of George Washington on one side looking like the president, on this side looking like the king.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He could have very quickly said, now that we have vanquished the British Empire but we still have so many issues and turmoil

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and we have Tories and regulars and patriots and everything else, I better just take over the country.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet, after winning that victory, decides to go back to Mount Vernon.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That is, first of all, one of the significant parts of your book, isn't it?

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, absolutely. A lot of it too is the lead up to that moment when he leaves power because one of the greatest dilemmas any country will have to face

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: is how do you have a military strong enough to defend the nation but not too strong that it takes over the nation?

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a problem that countries have had a really hard time solving.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: There are countries around the world that have had dozens, if not hundreds of coups.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Some countries even have a military coup written into their constitution because it happens so frequently that it's expected

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and so you might as well just kind of set the rules for when a coup happens.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we almost had a coup in the form of the Newburgh Rebellion at the start of 1783, which was the last year of the American Revolution

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and Washington single-handedly stopped it.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Had he not done that, we literally could have had a coup right at the start of the country.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: The thing about Washington was that he had strong views about what he felt the country needed to do to survive.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: He had his own policy preferences and some of them were controversial.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Not everyone agreed with them and Washington very easily could have said,

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what, I'm going to force these policy solutions but he didn't do it and he was willing to trust the people

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and the same thing happened when he left the presidency.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: He could have influenced the election to John Adams, his vice president against Thomas Jefferson, but he didn't do it.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He let the people decide for themselves.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a revolutionary act that quite frankly many presidents didn't even follow.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of presidents tried to influence the outcome of the elections afterwards.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Those were revolutionary acts that stand out amazingly because Washington during that time,

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: most people were used to a king in power and they were used to military leader.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: If they took power, they stayed until they died.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: King George III ruled for 60 years.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: The Chinese emperor at the time, Chen Long, ruled for about 60 years.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It was normal for people to just see their leaders stay in power forever and die.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: What Washington did was stunning.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It was truly stunning.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, there wasn't any requirement that he actually could only serve two terms,

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but that began to be the precedent until you got to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, just to pick up on that for just a minute, certainly by the time you get to the election of 1800,

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: now you have Adams and Jefferson running against each other.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He knew both of them very well, and it was perhaps one of the more contentious elections,

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: although we seem to be having one right now.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, to not take a stand in the midst of that

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and be willing to voluntarily step down and go to Mount Vernon was a remarkable feat,

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was also a surprise to many people in Europe, wasn't it?

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was absolutely a surprise.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a great quote by I believe it's, I think it was Benjamin Rush,

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: who said that the people of this continent are absolutely stunned by what Washington is doing.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just such a given that if you had power, you didn't let it go.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You think that this was a time not just of kings but of emperors,

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: where emperors are doing everything they can to take over as much land, territory,

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: control as many people and resources.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Not only was it not normal for someone to leave power,

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was also not normal for someone to just act in a disinterested way as a leader.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: For Washington to do that, 100 years before, the British had Oliver Cromwell.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Oliver Cromwell was a man who fought for certain principles,

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but in the end when given the chance to lead, he fudged it.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, okay, well I'm going to be the Lord Protector,

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: which really meant dictator of the English Republic.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Even though leaders would fight for certain ideals, they would fudge it,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and Washington didn't fudge it.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That was something that people just weren't used to.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They weren't used to it.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a break.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: When we come back from the break, I want to talk for just a few minutes with Richard

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: about why he wrote this book because it relates to where we are today.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: As I pointed out before, sometimes you say, well,

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the personalities of the candidates,

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and that is understandable because most people that run for office are very ambitious.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there are some very good lessons from the experience of George Washington

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: refusing a crown, but also I want to point you to the website

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and have Richard, when we come back from the break, talk about how you can join with him

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's a way in which you can be part of sharing the George Washington example

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: with American people.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll take a break and come back with more right after this.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: To Point of View, your listener is Jim Glenn.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he is the host of the podcast This American President,

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but also has finished the manuscript for this particular book,

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Refusing a Crown, George Washington and the Myth that Made America.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And, Richard, I wanted to talk about how that relates to where we are right now,

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but let's mention the fact that we do have a link to richardmlim.com.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that many people that have heard you before,

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: especially on the Millennial Roundtable,

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but also interviewed you on other programs on Point of View,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly are more familiar with you, and as they go to your website,

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: they can find out a little bit more.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a way in which people can join with you in sharing this story

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: about George Washington and maybe using this as a way to maybe think about whether

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we should have more civility, more of what we'll talk about next hour with Sean McDowell,

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: more of the ability to maybe disagree without being disagreeable,

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: have individuals see public service as that service, not something for their own ambitions.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It does seem to me that that's one of the reasons why you wrote the book.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So we live in an era where patriotism is considered outdated,

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and in addition we live in an era where there's an incredible amount of disillusionment

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_04]: about our political leaders, and there's a fair reason for that.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And one of those reasons is because our leaders refuse to leave power.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: They stay in power until their 80s, until their 90s.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I live in California.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: My former senator, Dianne Feinstein, they basically kept her in office until she died,

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: which was really awful, quite frankly.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And we currently have a president, at least that's what we're told,

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: who had to be forced out of the ticket even though he wasn't really up for the job.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Eighty-seven percent of Americans favor limiting the number of terms members of Congress can serve,

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: almost 90%.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_04]: There are very few issues that unite Americans nowadays, but this has to be one of them.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Almost everybody thinks that people are staying too long in the power and should leave.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote this book because I love George Washington,

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_04]: but also because I feel like we need to talk about why do politicians stay in power for so long?

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Why do they do that?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the reason is because we don't raise up leaders who have the character of someone like George Washington

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and our founding fathers who understood that leadership was about service.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It was about duty.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It was about honor.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The question is why has that changed?

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And in my book I wrote this manuscript,

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and I talk about why that generation was inculcated with these values.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think in order to get people to think differently, you have to change the national conversation.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And my book is going to be one of the ways that I do that.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So for those who are interested, check out the website.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You can sign up for my newsletter where I talk about this.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a Kickstarter where I'm raising money for the book because I'm going to get an editor to go through the book

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and make sure it's ready for publishers to publish.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: There are very high barriers to entry now for publishing because profits are down.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Amazon makes it so easy to buy books for cheap.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's very tough to get published if you're not a celebrity or an established author,

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and so that's why I'm getting an editor who costs a lot of money, which means I have the Kickstarter.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to support me there, feel free to do so.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm posting a lot of social media videos about it.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: On RichardMLim, you can follow me on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and sign for my newsletter.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's all sorts of avenues, ways that you can get involved.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But I want to change the conversation and talk about how do we get our leaders to be the kind of leaders we want

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_04]: because we are so disappointed.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_04]: When you study American history, you see that it actually was a regular thing for a president to do the right thing

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: even if it wasn't popular, whether it was Washington leaving power,

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_04]: whether it was Dwight Eisenhower refusing to pressure the Fed to lower rates to help Richard Nixon win the election,

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Grover Cleveland.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of these guys did the right thing when it wasn't popular.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's inconceivable for that to happen now.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what's the reason?

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's because we don't inculcate the Judeo-Christian values, and I talk about that in the book.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're interested in helping out with that, go to RichardMLim.com and sign up for the newsletter.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Help me on Kickstarter.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It will all go into helping change the national conversation.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just mention again that, of course, you can get onto that newsletter by going to RichardMLim.com,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: refusing to crown.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we also, of course, have a link to This American President,

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and so that's where you can listen on the podcast, and it has a list of many of the opportunities to learn about presidents.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is, I think, one aspect of Point of View that we wanted to have for many years.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about America's godly heritage.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the booklets that I've produced have been on things like the Constitution, the Federalist Papers,

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the Patriot Pastures, and all those resources, by the way, are available still at Point of View,

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: which we would be glad to get to you.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, Richard, I appreciate the fact that you've really helped us delve back into history.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And as one of the younger individuals that has been on Point of View, I'm grateful for that because I would have to say

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: that generally those of us that are older may have learned some of that in the public schools.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Today they're not learning that, and like I said, unfortunately, if I were to take this microphone out of the studio

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and just walk up and down the streets here of Stockton, California, where we are today,

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and ask people what they could tell us about George Washington, I fear that about the only thing they could know is,

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: well, he had slaves, and not know anything else about his character, about his writings, about his life.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And you are certainly doing that.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But also, I think this book has the potential to change the conversation.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could see individuals saying, you know, maybe this would be a film on one of the most remarkable things

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that George Washington ever did.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I could see this as a piece of legislation that is promoting the idea of term limits

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and call it the George Washington Term Limits Bill.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just all sorts of things that can unfold.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I really know that we have an advocate group and individuals that are very involved politically,

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I hope that you'll take the time to join with you.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have all that information there on our website at pointofview.net.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So, Richard, thank you for joining us today, and look forward to the next time we get an update on what is happening with your book.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for having me.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it so much.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just mention real quickly before we take a break that next hour we're going to have Sean McDowell with us.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: My viewpoint's commentary today is entitled Immigration Conspiracy Theories.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I wondered how the other big issue, you know, you have to recognize that two liabilities for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris,

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: one is the economy, which I just talked about, but the other was what about immigration?

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because most individuals being surveyed have said that that's a real concern, and I wondered how that would be dealt with.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I point out that at least the way the mainstream media has been dealing with that is to say,

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: well, this idea that we're overrun with immigrants is a conspiracy theory.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: New York Times, for example, had a report, the headline, I'm reading the headline,

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in J.D. Vance's backyard, conspiracy theories about migrants and voting abound.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, of course, in the New York Times.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Since we've been talking about the New York Times and the Washington Post, you have another one.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The Washington Post article talks about some of these political ads right now that actually have

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and create a false impression that migrants are flooding unchecked into the United States.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I quote from Rich Lowry, who said, a false impression?

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And what would it take to convince the Post that migrants are floating into the country and flooding into the country?

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And the bottom line is that this is an attempt to recognize that many times we are being told that,

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, don't believe your eyes, just believe what we tell you.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's oftentimes referred to as gaslighting, and if that term makes sense to you,

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that is, again, one of the reasons why we post some of these viewpoints commentaries

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: so you have some material to read and pass on to others.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, we're broadcasting today from Stockton, California, KYCC,

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's been so wonderful to be with the individuals here.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to take a break, and when we come back,

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to spend some time talking about this whole idea of a cancel culture

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and the need to have a real meaningful set of conversations with Josh McDowell.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned. We'll be back right after this.

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