Point of View September 4, 2024 – Hour 1 : Abortion Rights Legislation

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Panadexter, I'm so glad to be in the chair today.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's kind of shocking, perhaps even a bit disconcerting to think about the

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: topics that we will cover today on Point of View and how we would have thought about them

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: 20 years ago, say.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Or even 10 years ago, yesterday, Liberty McArthur hosted Point of View.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's out of town this week.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's actually at another one of our radio stations that carries us.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're so glad that he's doing that and visiting some of our listeners this week.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're here, and we're so glad that we get to talk to you.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday, Liberty McArthur sat in the host chair, and one of her guests was Brad Wilcox,

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: who wrote the book, Get Married.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And think about it.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Ten years ago in 2015 was the year that the Obergefell decision came down.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Marriage's definition changed, perhaps expanded to homosexual couples.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think 20 years ago, well, I know for a fact that even those of us who are working

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_00]: hard in the culture wars didn't think that same-sex marriage would be the law of the

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: land, but it became so.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Things are changing.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: My first guest today is going to address something that's become an issue actually post-Dobbs,

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: after the Dobbs decision of two years ago that struck down Roe versus Wade, which really

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: enshrined abortion in the culture.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: After that happened, amazingly, something, I don't know, kind of unexpected.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the stats changed.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Ten years ago, striking down Roe versus Wade, which enshrined the constitutional, quote

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: unquote, right to abortion.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It really was, it was our goal.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It was something that Christians all over America, even if you weren't that active,

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you wanted to see Roe versus Wade struck down.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Finally attained that goal two years ago in June of 2022.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have more abortions taking place now than we did then, not less.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a shock.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The country is not as pro-life as pro-lifers would have liked to have thought we were,

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: even Republicans.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And people may not favor late term abortions, partial birth abortions, D&E abortions, those

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: kinds of gruesome abortions.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But every abortion takes a human life.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like people now are willing to vote for these ballot measures, these

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: constitutional amendments that various states are putting up that enshrine abortion

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: through all nine months of pregnancy and basically give the states then, the pro-abortion

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: folks in the states, the opportunity to strike down restrictions on abortion that have

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: been passed in these various states.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And people who would have said that they wanted to protect the sanctity of human life,

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that they're pro-life now, perhaps some of them actually voting for these ballot

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: measures that strike down all that pro-life work that's taken place.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to be a phenomenon in the November elections.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Ten states have these ballot measures that are going to make their abortion laws

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: stronger and more all encompassing.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Four of them are Republican states.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: One of them is Kansas.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It already passed there.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: There's Arizona.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They're battling one of those laws.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: There's also Florida.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: President Bush, President Trump, I'm sorry, President Trump famously said he would

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: support that law, not really totally understanding what it meant.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably part of the problem with these laws passing is that

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: people don't understand that they reach all the way into the ninth month of

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: pregnancy.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not just a pro-abortion, allowing for abortion.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: They're taking the abortion all the way up to almost the child being alive

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: outside the womb.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So some Republicans are even voting for these, these draconian laws.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they don't quite get what the repercussions really are, but the damage

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: is done.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump said he would in Florida vote for one of them, but then his campaign

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: got to him and he was informed about the issue and its implications.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And he got on the right side of that.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's good.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's good to hear.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: In South Dakota, they want to pass the measure.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: If they pass it, they wipe out pro-life restrictions that limit abortions and

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: protect mothers that have been passed in that state over the last 20 years.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems as if when Roe was removed, people who said they thought they

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: supported the sanctity of human life got a bit nervous about what might happen if

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: there was an unplanned pregnancy.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of that has to do with the issue that was discussed yesterday,

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: marriage, because people don't necessarily equate sexual activity with marriage.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's less and less really tied together in the culture.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got more and more people thinking, well, what if I have an unplanned

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: pregnancy?

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I need that safety net of abortion.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Or we as a society think we need that safety net of abortion.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even Republicans, conservatives start getting a little bit nervous about

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: it.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we want all these unplanned pregnancies?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: What are we going to do?

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: How are we going to help these people?

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it becomes a sort of a safety net.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's very sad.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I did post an article and I'll just kind of tease it to you.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's long.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was kind of important in describing what our society and culture is

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: going through.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big shift.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And this piece is called A Change of Age, and it's by a PhD named John Seale.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He holds a PhD in American Studies from the University of Maryland, and he also

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: has his MDiv from Covenant Theological Seminary.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He's an Anglican cultural renewal entrepreneur.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exactly sure what that is, but he was on the podcast put out by Aaron

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Wren, who's somebody I like to read and just kind of a cultural commentator.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've had him on Point of View a couple of times.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But some things he's saying are resonating with me.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's got this piece called A Change of Age.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Wren posted it on his website, and I've moved it to pointofview.net and

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: brought it in so you can read it.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a guest article by Dr.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: John Seale.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And he starts out talking about the idea that we are not in an age of change, but

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: a change of age.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Our age is actually changing, he said.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, we're amid a 500-year historical geopolitical inflection point.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: The world as we have known it is changing so profoundly that our histories going

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: forward are going to be altered.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And that comes true as we look at the view of the sanctity of human life.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the second issue that we're talking about, well, I've talked about

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: marriage, but also the whole transgender agenda, the transing of our kids.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And our next guest that we're going to have next hour is Jared Ross.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He's with an organization called Do No Harm.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And what is happening in our federal government right now with the pressure on

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: the HHS, Health and Human Services Department, to allow for transgender

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: transitions, gender transitions, even to the point of surgeries at a younger and

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: younger age. And there's been some pressure from the administration to the

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: scientific organizations and the advocacy groups to do these things younger and

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: younger. The House is investigating that, and that's what we'll talk about in the

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: second hour. And then a little bit later in the program at the very last couple of

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: segments, Elaine Donnelly, one of my favorite guests, will join me to talk about

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the U.S. military and really the pushback against the DEI agenda there in the

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: military, but also this unrelenting push to register women for the draft.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's today's program, and we're kind of wrapping it in this whole idea of

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: change. We hope you'll stick with us throughout.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us. You're listening to Point of View, and we'll be right back.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Charles Gasparino is a TV network business correspondent, and he begins his latest

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: book on the radicalization of corporate America by talking about the great

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Goldman Chick-fil-A debate.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Turns out that there were a handful of young Goldman Sachs associates who wanted

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to order chicken sandwiches from the local Chick-fil-A restaurant.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Others felt it would be racist and bigoted to do so.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: An angry debate broke out.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: A business colleague of Charles tipped him off to the story, and he was amazed, as

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: he puts it, that some of Goldman's best and brightest that night were convinced

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that eating a Chick-fil-A sandwich would signal a significant step in America's

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: de-evolution, sending the nation back to the darker times of the antebellum South.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He explains why Chick-fil-A might be controversial to some, but still finds the

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: reaction unreasonable.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Chick-fil-A is a franchise business that is owned by entrepreneurs from all walks of

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: life. The person working at the local restaurant could be an Asian or Hispanic

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: immigrant or some dude from Ghana, not a real or even imagined Southern redneck.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: When his network contacted Goldman for a comment, they wouldn't rule out the

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Chick-fil-A debate occurred.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But someone at Goldman later asked why he thought the story was worth reporting.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, his reaction is simple.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Just read his new book, Go Woke, Go Broke, the inside story of the radicalization of

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: corporate America to find out.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: As you might imagine, he tells the stories of Target, Disney and Bud Light.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He provides detailed discussions of ESG, DEI and critical race theory.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He also reminds us of the history of the so-called summer of love.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Wokeness is destroying corporate America and his new book explains why.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting point of view dot net.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's point of view dot net.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter and I brought up to you during the

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: first segment this article that I posted at point of view dot net.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's called A Change of Age.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: America and the West Stand at a Civilizational Inflection Point by John

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Steele, Ph.D.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And this man is in some thinking about what he calls a 500 year historical

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: geopolitical inflection point.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He says we're not talking here about the accumulation of incremental changes, but

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the wholesale changes of assumptions of global actors and personal experiences.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He says we're facing a paradigm shift, the likes of the fall of Rome, the collapse

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: of Constantinople and Luther at the Diet of Worms.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so big changes.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The issues, he says, facing the church are significantly deeper and longer lasting

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: than the shift from a neutral to a negative world.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We were in a neutral world.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people described this, including Aaron Ren, who I mentioned before.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He likes to talk about the positive world, the neutral world and the negative world.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The negative world is a place where we're for a Christian is a place where it's not

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: necessarily a positive to be a Christian anymore.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think 20 years ago, still in our culture, we had some sort of a Christian

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: consensus. We had the moral majority.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It was still a good thing in most people's eyes to go to church and be a Christian

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and live out your values.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Christians got pushed back a lot of times, but it was still somewhat of a

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: positive. It's become neutral.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's really negative to be a Christian.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, now John Seal, Ph.D., says we're in a hostile world, a world

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that's hostile to Christianity.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's not just in America.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: If you look around the world in the West, especially where you have Christians,

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: they're in the minority. They're living out their values and there's a lot of

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: hostility to them.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you go to the global south and it's growing.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm an Anglican and the global south has, for instance, in the Anglican sort of

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: communion, there are 65 million of them and most of them are in the global south.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of battles going on in the home of Anglicanism, the United Kingdom

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: in Britain right now.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're big battles and there's a lot of hostility toward true believers and

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: true Christians. So that's what I'm talking about when I talk about now going

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: from a negative world to a hostile world.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: This hostility, says Dr.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Seal, is not conscious or explicit but implicit.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not personal but foundational and not political but cultural.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can certainly see it in all those other areas, but it goes deep.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It is an invisible hostility that makes it even more dangerous.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: This makes the new social reality the church is facing far more significant than

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: we have previously imagined.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why later in the program we'll talk about this whole transing issue.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It goes to the core of people's identity, of who they are.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's this encouragement coming from different sources of the culture that go

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: much deeper than politics to encourage people to reject the person that God made

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: them, to think that they were really, that they know better and that they were made in

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: a different way.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And that you need to give me or my child a surgery to make me conform to the way that

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think or want to be.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And this rejection of being made in the image of God, which is such a great

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: privilege that we are made in God's image.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But the rejection of it, it just it goes digs deep into the culture.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It does affect politics because as we're going to talk about later today, our

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: administration has actually come out.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Even Joe Biden, when he was running back in 2020, said that he was going to make sure

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that kids that wanted gender changes could get that.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to fight against those that would stop it.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And it has been a battle.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, he implanted people in his Department of Health and Human Services

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that are pushing so hard for this that, you know, the House, fortunately, the House is

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in the hands still of mostly conservative Republican members, at least.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to investigate.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: They are investigating.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The House Oversight Committee is investigating the pressure that was put on WPATH, which

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: is sort of a it's a pro-trans organization.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But and they recommended transgender surgeries be provided to young people, but

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: they want to go younger and younger.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And the administration has been placing this pressure on this organization to

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: advocate doing trans not only hormones, but also surgeries at a younger and younger

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: age for kids.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And the House is looking into it.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So there ought to be some legislation on that in the next term, whoever is president.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But it probably won't happen if Kamala Harris is president.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even she's not talking about where she stands on this issue.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she'd like to stay away from it as she does with so many other issues.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But let's go back to this change of age article.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to it's really long.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm only going to be able to kind of tackle the first section.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you might enjoy reading this because if you're a person who's like sort

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: of scratching your head and going, why are we adopting such crazy things?

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for instance, why are we not why are we making the international decisions that

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we are making?

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, why did we leave Afghanistan in such a mess after we'd spent so long there

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: in a military effort?

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did we leave the way we did?

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we not prosecuting crimes in this country?

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we allowing millions of illegals into our country and, you know, allowing people

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: who may be terrorists or criminals to come in and do damage?

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this all happening?

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Why why does this even make any sense?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, part of this has to do with just the huge changes in our values.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Christians can be naive about them.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly pastors, it would be wonderful if more could read this article.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I may send this one to my my pastor because.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard for them, I think, to understand what's going on around them, how can they

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: even speak about it from the pulpit if they don't really understand it or understand

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: why? But going on in Dr.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Steele's piece, he says there are four civilizational shifts, four primary shifts that

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: we're facing as believers.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And the first one is from Christian to post-Christian.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of what I've been addressing with it, with the topics that I

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: plan for today.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's shift number one.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We are living in a world that is functionally divorced from any reference to the

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: sacred. We have shifted from societies based on fate and faith to one based on fiction.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of fictions out there.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of lies that we are being called on to believe and to live by.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Moreover, the foundational society basis of society, namely traditional marriage, has

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: been rejected. The fruit of marriage, namely the procreation of children, has also been

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: rejected. And replacing these historic foundations to social life is an unchecked

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: hedonism reinforced by a world without boundaries that is unchecked license.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of you may have seen that the shooter in the little private school, the precious

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: private school where a transgender shooter came in and shot up kids.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And now finally, the manifesto that was written by this, it was a female, but

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: presenting herself as a boy.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Just her fantasy world that she lived in and her anger at lots of things, including the

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: church, just formed the I guess the motivation for her to go and do this horrible act.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's been released. And now you can read all about it.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're reading about it and we're seeing that.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But the late the article, again, that a change of age by Dr.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: John Steele.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. John Steele, S-E-E-L, he writes, the late University of Pennsylvania sociologist

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Philip Reif described our contemporary world in this manner.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No culture has ever preserved itself where it is not a registration of sacred order.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Their cultures have not survived.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So if a culture presents itself and there's no sacred order involved, the cultures don't

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: survive this kind of society, he says, where the notion of a culture that persists

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: independent of all sacred orders is unprecedented in human history.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he writes in the past, cultural conflicts in the past, cultural conflicts were

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: between competing sacred symbolics.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not so today.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: What makes our contempt?

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would say 10, 20 years ago, we were looking we as Christians were looking at Islam

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: as our enemy. And that's not what we're looking at now.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We're looking at a just a blatant naked secularism.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're seeing.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what makes our contemporary culture war distinctive.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're dealing with.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So, ladies and gentlemen, with that, I recommend the rest of the article to you.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You can get it at Point of View dot net.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's I think the last one in my list of articles that I placed on the website today.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But next up, we are going to be joined by Dr.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Alan Unruh. We're going to talk about what do we do post Dobbs.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: At Point of View, we believe there is power in prayer.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is why we have relaunched our Pray for America campaign, a series of weekly

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: emails to unite Americans in prayer for our nation.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if hundreds of thousands of Americans started praying intentionally together on

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: a weekly basis.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You can help make that a reality by subscribing to our Pray for America emails.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Just go to Point of View dot net and click on the Pray for America banner.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right there on the home page.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Each week, you'll receive a brief news update, a specific prayer guide and a free

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: resource to equip you in further action.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We encourage you to not only pray with us each week, but to share these prayers and

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: the resources with others in your life.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Join the movement today.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Visit Point of View dot net and click on the banner Pray for America right there at

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the top. That's Point of View dot net.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's pray together for God to make a difference in our land.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Point of View will continue after this.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to Point of View.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: management or staff of the station.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And now here again is Pena Dexter.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, the state of South Dakota is the only state that has outlawed

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: abortion twice.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And both times those laws were signed by the then governor of the state.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been the most pro-life state in the nation, but there's something amiss on the

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: pro-life front right now.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And with us to talk about it is Alan Unruh.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He has been a chiropractic physician since 1970.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: He's been a candidate for the U.S.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Congress and a delegate to five national Republican conventions, including the

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: convention that nominated Ronald Reagan for president.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that dates him a little bit.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in that same age category, so it dates me.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But Dr. Unruh has been involved in the pro-life movement since 1973.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And he and his wife Leslie started the Alpha Center, which is a pregnancy care center in

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in 1984.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And Leslie has also started a nationwide abstinence ministry, which has been very

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: effective nationwide.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Alan, thank you so much for joining me today.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's glad to be here.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm glad you're here.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So we can talk about what's happening in South Dakota.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've never seen a state that's worked so hard to make abortion basically

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: non-existent or very rare in the state.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But what's happened since?

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they put a petition drive up where they call themselves Dakotans for Health and

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: they collected 54,000 signatures.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And instead of sitting on our hands waiting for them to collect signatures, we

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: developed an army of people to stand behind them, stand beside them at the courthouse,

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: at the farmers market, wherever they went, any event they went.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: We had people standing beside warning people not to sign the petition that it

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: legalizes abortion until birth.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't long we realized we needed to have body cameras.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So we videoed what they were telling people.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: We have 150 hours of video.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So are some of these people that are getting the petition signed, are they paid?

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Are they paid petition gatherers?

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. Yeah, we're going to.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, right now, yesterday we had a big victory because they have to disclose all

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: their tactics and how they're getting paid and how much they're getting paid.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They pay all their people very well to get signatures.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we're going to disclose that.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We haven't seen any of their disclosures yet, but the judge threw it out because

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: they were pleading to have the judges throw the whole thing out.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But the judge ruled against them yesterday.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So now they have to disclose and we're going to go to trial.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you, Alan, when you say throw the whole thing out, we've got it's

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: called Amendment G.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an amendment to the Constitution.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It allows abortion up to all nine months of pregnancy and gives the opportunity to

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: basically wipe out all the pro-life protections and laws that you've got in South

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Dakota. Right. That's right.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It eliminates any protection.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It eliminates all parental involvement in their kids to eliminate all safety

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: standards for women and children.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It basically and it basically there's no limitations on abortion whatsoever, because

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: on the last trimester health is defined so loosely that it could be anxiety.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can basically the abortionist makes the decision with a woman and you can do

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it all the way through birth.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So if they're saying if they can win South Dakota, the rest of the country will give up.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They're putting all their bags in baskets to win South Dakota.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a big victory.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to hear him in court.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We've appealed it twice.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And so now.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're trying to say that these petition gatherers are actually breaking the law or

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they're unethical in gathering and gathering the petition signatures.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you're going to court about.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. You cannot violate the law to get signatures.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And we bail you out.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have them using every kind of deceptive tactics possible.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, they put pro-life, pro-family, pro-choice.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: They would tell people, oh, this doesn't this reenact Roe v.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Wade. Well, it does way more than Roe v.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Wade. Under Roe v.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Wade, we passed all kinds of legislation to protect women.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But this doesn't allow any of that.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's part of the Constitution.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So once it's in the Constitution, you can't change it because it takes three fourths of a

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: legislature. It'll never happen.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So we have to win this battle no matter what.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Now's the time for all good people to come to the aid of their countrymen.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So this doesn't affect the people of South Dakota.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It affects the nation.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So we need the people go to Life Defense Fund dot com.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Life Defense Fund dot com.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Give whatever you can. If everybody participates, we can win this battle.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We're we're fighting a lot of dark money.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And ours is all volunteers by people who are Christian who believe life is sacred.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: All our rights come from almighty God.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They're unalienable. They can never be taken away.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And you shall know the truth.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: The truth will make you free.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's where all freedom comes from.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't come from Supreme Court or tyrannical governments.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So we need to inform people.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Alejandra is my guest.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to reintroduce you.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's amazing that you put body cameras on all your people so that you can

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: actually get it from the mouths of these people, what they're saying.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: What are some of the things they're saying to to get people to sign this petition?

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they'll say here's a petition to cut the taxes for food and then they give them the

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: abortion pills.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It has nothing to do with it.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they do a lot of bait and switch.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We found them doing that.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: They're required by law to give the attorney general's interpretation of the statute.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They ignored that with impunity.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So people walk out of a courthouse, they don't know anything about nothing.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody said they want to sign a petition to protect you.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They actually have the audacity to call there's a freedom amendment, a freedom

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: amendment now where the spirit of the Lord is.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There's liberty. Liberty only comes from one source.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't come if they appoint themselves God.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They think they can just get by with this.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But see, 85 percent of the population wasn't alive when Roe v.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Wade got enacted. So they think this is a newfound freedom given by the courts and an

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: activist court in 1973 succumbed to the pressure from the hippie hippie hippie hippie

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: movement, the sexual revolution, the sexual revolution, which which thank God I

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: survived without firing or shots.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But we need to tell the truth to people and we need to be bold.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And no matter what the cost, we went through a lot of a lot of problems over 43 years

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of doing this. I can't even begin to tell you, but we're fighting that we're fighting

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the devil right now.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And if if this passes in South Dakota, it means human life is no longer sacred.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It means they can do anything.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no right and wrong.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And we need every Christian possible to donate 20 bucks, 100 bucks, a thousand

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: dollars, because we have to raise the funds to defeat this.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_03]: What's one life worth?

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think about South Dakota is kind of on the tip of the spear right now.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So, Alan, talk to me a little bit about what do you think happened to people after

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Dobbs came down and you had no more Roe v.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Wade and it goes back to the states.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of thought that it would be the same, that we would have laws restricting

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: abortion. But instead, we got we got all these states passing these draconian

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: constitutional amendments that say you can abort a baby throughout nine months of

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: pregnancy and wiping out all these wonderful laws.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for instance, what about laws about a minor daughter?

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Parents need to know when a minor daughter is being pressured into abortion.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a law that would be wiped out.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Killed would be protections for a mother from being forced to have an abortion against

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: her will. Killed would be conscience protection so that doctors and nurses cannot be

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: forced to participate in performing abortions against their wills.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: What about basic health and safety requirements for abortions to follow?

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Protective of women.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's just so many common sense laws that have been passed.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they don't immediately just leave the books of South Dakota if Amendment G

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: passes. But they're now vulnerable, right?

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's vulnerable, everybody in the country.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And see, Albert Schweitzer said, if you if there was no respect for life at one end,

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: there won't be any respect for the other.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Those senior citizens better get very nervous because there's no money to support

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: seniors and people nursing homes and euthanasia can make abortion look like a Sunday

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: school picnic. This affects all of humanity.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have to that now's the time for all good people to come to the aid of their

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: countrymen. This is a battle.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: A small town in Gettysburg was this was a turning point in the Civil War.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And when you look at history and how that happened, it's unbelievable.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in Dred Scott in 1854, sued to get his freedom when his owner moved to a free

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: state. And the Supreme Court, 72, just like Roe v.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Wade, said you don't have standing to sue because you're only three fifths of a human.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, now you're not even human.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: In California, they pass a law.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They got 30 days to decide after you're born if they're too stressful to have the

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: baby. I mean, there's no limit to the debauchery and how evil can get when you take

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: away right from wrong. And we're the only nation on the face of the earth that

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: recognizes that all human beings are created in the image of Almighty God.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We can't throw the image of our creator in the garbage and act like it's not.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish that were true.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish that all Americans recognize they remain in the image of Almighty God.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Alan, let me ask you just a couple more specifics.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do this after the break.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to ask you a couple more specifics about what if Amendment G should pass

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: what it would mean in South Dakota.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And you've talked about how South Dakota is the tip of the spear.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're just going to unpack that a little more.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll open the phones 800-351-1212 and we'll be right back.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Point of View.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Penna Dexter. Dr.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Alan Unruh is with me and we are talking about South Dakota again.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been the most pro-life state in the nation.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: They ban almost all abortions in the state at one time.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Now we are looking at a drastic amendment to the Constitution, which would do more than

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to enshrine a Roe versus Wade.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And the people are just the pro-lifers in South Dakota are fighting this.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Unruh, Alan, you said two ways that it's being fought.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: One in the courts and you're not counting on that, but you're working hard.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, trying to persuade people all over the state, aren't you?

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's correct.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're buying T-shirts, bumper stickers.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We have pamphlets, brochures, billboards.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: All of this costs money.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many people are ignorant about what's going on and how serious this is.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So we have an army of people.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: We have 66 different counties organized.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We have county coordinators.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's taking the grassroots effort.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We had Liberty Council with Norman Blackwell here training all our people how to form a grassroots army.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And you mean the Leadership Institute?

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Leadership Institute, yes, with Morton.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He was here and we trained six different largest cities in South Dakota how to win elections on a grassroots.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So we got an army of people on a grassroots going door to door and being all trained what to do and what to say and how to talk to people.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we've got a ground war that's going to be second to none.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No state's done the things that we're doing here.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, because it's so critical.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Fifty percent of abortions are chemical abortions and they pay for it with dark money.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, California will fly them there to get abortions.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like a religion to them.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And so a false religion like Moloch in the Bible, where they burn their babies alive for economic gain.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they're indoctrinating people to do.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And so chemical abortions are everywhere.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We have we actually have a van.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: We can save babies if they've had chemicals.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We can reverse that if we catch them in time within 72 hours.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. And you know, I think that we need to do a whole program on that.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I think, you know, what you're doing, Alan, educating people is so good because that's where the battle is right now.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The left and the pro abortion sort of advocates are lying to people.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And they the extreme nature of what Amendment G would do has to be exposed in order for you to win this battle, doesn't it?

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. Absolutely.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And now we've got discovery.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: If we find this out, this will affect the whole country because they're they're following the same tactics of lies and deception.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the devil deceived Eve.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: She could be your own god if she just ate the apple.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's always been the battle since the beginning.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're the only country on Earth that recognizes that we're created in the image of God.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Judeo-Christian ethic is the foundation of our government.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're trying to destroy the family every way they can.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And you talk to people that's lost a child.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it affects everybody everywhere.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just devastating.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So this battle is your battle.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like it's not our battle.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's yours. It's everybody's battle.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But South Dakota has the greatest opportunity to win.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And when we win, it will have a worldwide impact.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I will tell you. Oh, sorry.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. We have actually linked to the website to find out more about this at point of view dot net or it's life defense dot org, Alan.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Life Defense Fund dot org.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: LifeDefenseFund.com.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: LifeDefenseFund.com.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Dot com. LifeDefenseFund.com.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Or just go to point of view dot net and you can click through.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So three quarters of Americans support abortion bans after 15 weeks.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what the stats show.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, what has happened?

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think, Alan, has happened since Dobbs struck down Roe versus Wade?

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Why have we had all these really purple states like Kansas?

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Why have we had all these passage of these amendments like Amendment G in other states?

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Why has that happened?

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Through lies and deception.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Christians have not been organized.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We can't get into the weeds.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We're at the point where now we can't argue semantics of abortion.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to just say vote no on G, period, because it allows abortion until birth.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And inform people like a neighbor of ours said, well, what if your granddaughter got raped by Charles Manson?

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, Mike, that's not what this is about.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This is aborting healthy babies for any reason for nine months.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: He said, well, that's crazy.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't even make sense.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, see, that's what people, they think they're voting on something like that.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We had a gal, twin twins, transfusion syndrome.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll take the worst case imaginable that could possibly happen.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: She said, I'd have died if I'd have had that second baby.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So she aborted one of them.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, first of all, it's not true.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Second of all, there's a treatment to save both babies now.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But they give heart-wrenching stories and say, well, we got to kill all babies because of this one in a million circumstances.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So they use, they twist logic, they twist the meaning of words and they've twisted the very meaning of the word freedom.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Hitler called his a liberation army.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all in how you phrase things and how you twist logic and you twist the truth.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You shall know the truth.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The truth will set you free.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, you have to go through the wilderness.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You got to go through the valley.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gold in the making has to go through the fire.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to be tested in fire.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And we are right now, the future of civilization is at stake.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's at stake right now.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So we just need your help, everybody's help, everybody to join in, because when we win this, it's going to be a big victory for God.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's who we all serve anyway.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And there can be no better cause right now because the future of our country is at stake.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Ellen, usually when I talk to you, I've known Ellen a long time, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: When I talk to you, you're making me laugh and you haven't made me laugh yet today because this is dead serious, isn't it?

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You are a guy said any great men born in your town?

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He said no, they were all born babies.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: We are all a baby needs.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: All a baby needs is two things nourishment and love.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Man's greatest gift is the power of love.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_03]: His greatest downfall is the love of power.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're dealing with.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Power corrupts, Lord action and absolute power corrupts.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. This is a power struggle between sacredness of human life and secular humanism.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have to fight an ideology that's just false.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just we need to expose the lies and deception.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have to do it with boldness no matter what the consequences.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, our forefathers against all odds outnumbered 101.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They beat the biggest army in the world because they had courage and they lost 75 percent of the battles.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And they still won because George Washington relied on the providence of Almighty God.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Teddy Roosevelt said we have the choice between preserving our Christian heritage and values or reverting back to barbaric paganism.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the truth.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Thomas Jefferson said the first duty of government is to protect innocent human life.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's the only legitimate function of good government, protecting innocent life.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so Abraham Lincoln said we have the choice.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He said nobody should have the freedom to choose what's doing what's morally wrong.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And so morality, we're on our own morality, drunkenness and immorality is permeating the culture.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Politics is downstream from culture.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to preserve the culture or America would go the way of Rome.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's so true. I've got to interrupt now because we're coming up on the end of the segment.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But I really thank you for coming to the program today and talking about South Dakota.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a test case.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if the pro-life cause can succeed there, I think it will give ammunition to pro-lifers across the nation.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And on the other side of the coin, if your efforts don't succeed, then we're in big trouble.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Ellen Unruh, thank you so much.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, go to pointofview.net and click through to their website and see what you can do to help.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Ellen, thanks so much. God bless you.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be back in just a moment.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: In 19th century London, two towering historical figures did battle not with guns and bombs, but words and ideas.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: London was home to Karl Marx, the father of communism, and legendary Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: London was in many ways the center of the world economically, militarily and intellectually.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Marx sought to destroy religion, the family and everything the Bible supports.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Spurgeon stood against him, warning of socialism's dangers.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Spurgeon understood Christianity is not just religious truth.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It is truth for all of life.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you find men with that kind of wisdom to stand against darkness today?

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Get the light you need on today's most pressing issues delivered to your inbox when you sign up for the Viewpoints Commentary at pointofview.net slash sign up.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Every weekday in less than two minutes, you'll learn how to be a person of light to stand against darkness in our time.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's free. So visit pointofview.net slash sign up right now.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Pointofview.net slash sign up.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Point of View will continue after this.