Point of View September 3, 2024 – Hour 2 : Christ Over Culture, Tuesday Notes

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: 暑暑, Mary, LINE, This is Point of View

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: 暑暑, I'm Liberty McCartor, Philling in for Kirby Anderson today

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I have with me in studio Andrea Crom so we are going to be interviewing her

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Andrea is a biblical worldview apologetics and family discipleship thought leader

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: who equipped families with biblical truth for navigating today's cultural chaos, a wife and

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: mother of two. Andrea is a graduate of the Colson Center for Christian World View

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and she and her husband Matt established the genuine family ministries and host the

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: raising Christian kids conference. And we are going to be talking about her book that just came out

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Christ over culture, raising kids to stand in a post-modern world. I've been reading it. It's great.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to talk about it. So thank you for being here Andrea. Thanks so much for having me

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: my son to be here. So I am excited to get more into your story but can you tell us a little bit

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: about your own testimony? Because you kind of reference it in your book, but you really went from

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a lack of intentionality to your leading the ministries that you do now and so tell us about what

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: process was like. Absolutely so became a Christian probably around 12 and then realized that

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: just fell away pretty quickly and came back to Christ in my early 20s and I got married,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: got busy with life and marriage and was going to church on Sundays but absolutely was not

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: living for Christ. I definitely would have told you I did. I listened to my Christian music

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: on the radio and did all the things but definitely wasn't spending time with the Lord wasn't

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: asking the Lord where he was leading, what he wanted from me or our family and so as busy I was

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: at an executive and marketing and I was just busy doing work in my career and getting home late

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and spending really little time with my family to be honest. And so things got shook up you know

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and ended up my job ended and it was one of those things where I was like hey Lord what do you

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: have for me and I really just started to question him on that you know and just asked that question

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and I started going to the dream see it put on my heart many years ago and just started thinking okay

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe there was something here that he was leading me to and in that process just started spending

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: more time with my family just started spending more time with the Lord just started seeking what

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: he had for us and through that I've been a ministry now for five years and we started

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: genuine family ministries two years ago so God had expanded our my ministry of for women

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and now into a ministry for families for parents and students and so it was really about asking God

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: where what he had for us and spending more time with him that really led me to realize how

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: illiquit we are as parents. A lot of us are just going through the motions and we're so busy

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and we've got our heads in the sand half the time because this world is a little crazy and it's a

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: thing to me and and God was showing me through the journey and so which has led to us being here

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: today with genuine family ministries. That's so great and it is so needed and this is something

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think a few studies have picked up on and you certainly talk about in your book but there

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is an intentionality that is needed if we're going to pass our world view on to our children into

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the next generation and I think about this a lot now like we were talking about on the break I'm

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: of two young kids and so if you just are a nominal Christian or kids are going to send a

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: school or the children's church on Sunday once a week and it's not really a part of your daily life

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: then that's not enough today is it? It's absolutely not enough and I think that that's what we're trying

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: to get by on. We're hoping that our faith is going to somehow by us most this pass on to our kids

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and it just doesn't work that way they are so inundated with ideas all over so whether it's through

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: entertainment, whether it's through social media, whether it's through their friends and news

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: wherever it is they're getting all sorts of ideas from the world and if we aren't being intentional

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: about what we're teaching them then all they're going to absorb is the ideas of this world and so

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: to be intentional we have to first be in the word we have to be first changed by the Holy Spirit

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: we have to be sanctified, consecrated and set apart and all of these things in order for that

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: to pass on to our kids in order for us to be intentionally thinking about what can I share with my child

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and something that you said that I loved is that kids can sniff out hypocrisy really easily

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and so even at a young age I think anybody who works with kids or has kids knows like they pick

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: up on a lot of stuff and so if you aren't walking the walk or if you're saying hey you know

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: we're Christians this is what we believe this is how we act but you're not actually doing that in your

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: life your kids are going to pick up on that right yes they are going to pick it up on it really

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: quickly in fact there was a study that would show that a lot of atheist today are

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: atheists because they saw hypocrisy in the church or since they saw hypocrisy at home and so

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: it's this idea that you know when they don't they see you preaching one thing but they don't see

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you living it out and if we're not living the life that we say is so great which is that we are

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: free in Christ that we are forgiven in Christ that we are changed by the Holy Spirit if they don't

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: see us really living that out then it's just words right yeah so again we are talking with Andrea

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Crum she we're talking about her book Christ's over culture I'm holding it up so if you're

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: watching online you can see it and if you want to follow along go to point if you don't net

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can find links there and so we're going to be diving into more content from your book

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: in the next segment but before we go to the break what are some of the obstacles that are keeping

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: parents from being intentional and in discipling their kids today so one I would say it's absolutely

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: elect of biblical literacy ourselves so when I think back to growing up in the 80s and early 90s

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: in the church there was definitely this I call it a commoditized gospel we just learned you know

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: say this prayer and you're saved and there's no I know thought given to the fact that we have to

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: now follow Christ and what does that really look like and what does discipleship look like so I

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: think a lot of us are illiquip because we weren't really trained what to do and so now we're kind of

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the problems is that we don't know what we don't know and then so we don't even know some

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: of the core theology like blood atonement and why Jesus had to come and some of the things that are

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: really important for us today the other thing I would say is really priorities you know I think

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that so many parents are prioritizing sports or theater or band or whatever it is above their

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: kids spiritual development and so when I look at what I see happening I see if a parent has an

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: opportunity for a kid to go to a Bible study or go to their practices for sports they're

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: going to pick sports all the time well sports are great we love sports we play sports our

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: boys do we love going to the games all those things but that's not going to be something

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that's going to ultimately further their lives in the future further than the kingdom in the

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: future and so we really have to look at our priorities and then at the last thing I'd say is fear

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of parents are very fearful in this culture and so they just kind of stick their head

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in the scene because they don't know what they don't know and so they don't know how to combat it.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah so good and so relatable and very convicting too but you know again we do live in a time where

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like we're not living in a Christian culture I think in decades past maybe you could kind

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of be nominal and know that your kids were going to probably basically get the same values from

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: culture that you held but we really do have to be intentional about that today which is why I'm so

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: glad that you've got your book Christ's Server Culture it's a great resource for parent so if you're

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: just joining us this is Liberty McCartor I'm filling in for Kirby Anderson today on point of view

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and I have Andrea Krom in studio with us let me just say that you can go to point if you

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: dot net and follow along with all of the topics we're covering here you can find links to our

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: guests websites and some other articles and then after the break we're going to continue

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: talking with Andrea about more of the tools that she has in her book so also go to social media

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you can follow us there and stay with us because right after this we'll be back with Andrea.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. Political campaigns become intense after Labor Day

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you will need wisdom and discernment to evaluate the numerous proposals because much of the main

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: media doesn't evaluate counter proposals with the same objectivity here to examples in June

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Donald Trump announced a proposal to end taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: at the time CBS News reported former president Donald Trump's vow to stop taxing tips would

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: cost the federal government up to $250 billion over ten years according to a nonpartisan watchdog

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: group. In August Kamala Harris made a similar proposal how did CBS report that announcement?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: They said vice president Kamal Harris is rolling out a new policy position saying she'll fight to

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: end taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers. As far as I can tell there was no mention of

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the cost, there was a discussion of whether he or she came up with the proposal first.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Consider the contrast in how the media covered the idea of a child tax credit when Senator JD

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Vance proposed a $5,000 child tax credit it was usually linked with a claim from a tax foundation

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that it would cost about $3 trillion over ten years. By contrast when Kamala Harris proposed tax relief,

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: that included up to $6,000 for parents of newborns and $3,600 for an expanded child tax credit

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the headlines were about her plans to lower cost for families. Now I appreciate the media estimated

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: in the cost of these campaign proposals especially at a time when the federal government is $35

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: trillion in debt but a fair way to cover these campaign proposals would be to remind voters of

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: cost when either candidate announces a policy. I'm Kurbe Anderson and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to pointofview. I'm Liberty McCartor and I am in studio with Andrea Krom.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: She is the author of Christ over culture raising kids, christian kids to sand in a post-modern world

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and we have been talking about how parents have to be intentional when they are discipling kids

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because in today's world kids are not going to pick up christian values from the culture

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and they also have a nose for hypocrisy so that means that we have to really commit to living out our

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: beliefs and building that relationship with the Lord ourselves so that we can be intentional about

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: discipling our kids but one section that I particularly loved in your book Christ over culture

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: is the section on worldview. And that's something that if you are a long time listener of one

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of you you've definitely heard a Kirby talk about worldview but this is such a helpful tool because

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you really break down how different beliefs systems that we encounter in the culture can be understood

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: under a few main worldviews and so as we're talking to our kids we can help equip them to

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: understand why we hear so many different conflicting messages and kind of understand the

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: place that people are coming from so can you talk about those different worldviews and how that

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: such a good tool for parents. Absolutely so one of the things I think about especially with social

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: media is how as parents we are very concerned about in technology and general porn and predators

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like those are the things we really think about but one of the things our kids are getting as

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: ideas all the time and so we're not really protecting them necessarily against those ideas and

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so learning about worldview is a really great way to equip your kids and protect them from falling

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: into these ideas because all these ideas come at them as truth all these ideas and they don't know

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: how to sort through them they don't know what is what and sometimes anti-biblical ideas look like

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: biblical ideas based on how they're positioned and so the forming worldviews that are out there

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: naturalism transcendentalism, theism and postmodernism and in the book I give it an S name for each one of

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: them just as a way to simplify it a little bit so naturalism is a scientific worldview and this is

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: about what you are able to see what you're able to measure what you are able to whether it's through

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: a telescope or a microscope if you can see it then it's real and so this is the worldview really

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of atheism people don't believe in God or the supernatural or any kind of being out there and so that

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is one of the worldviews that we see today and so as kids start to learn worldview what happens

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: is they start to categorize these different ideas and put them in the right bucket so when they see

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: a social media post or they see a news article or they have a conversation with the friend

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they can instantly in their mind kind of filter it and put it in the right bucket and so that's why

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: more spirituality so this is the new age this is this is the worldview that's really all about

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the supernatural it's really all about the divine within it's all about us being connected to animals

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and the earth and to nature and that we're all kind of one and so you've got like native American

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: religions come out of this Hinduism comes out of this Buddhism new age so all of these different

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: ideas come into that worldview the third which is what biblical worldview comes out of is the

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: wisdom worldview and I also call it the submitto worldview because it's really this idea that

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: there is a God and that we are too submit to him because he is God but we also have he has a

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: personal accessible relationship with this creation so Islam Judaism Christianity are all kind of

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: under this overarching worldview but then of course under each worldview you have like many some

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: worldviews but these help you to kind of do that quick categorization and then the last one which is

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: worldview of today that is so confusing and this is the one that's really screaming at our kids

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: is the postmodern worldview and I call it the social justice worldview so this is the worldview

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that's all about your truth being defined by the person not by God or any objective truth

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: this is the the world you that also says that there's two categories in the world and that's the

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: press in the oppressor it's all about changing power structures and dynamics and really looking

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: at the world through the lens of justice and oppression that is so helpful and again just

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: imagine being able to have these conversations with your kids and to understand the world around

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: us and I'm sure this may have been mentioned in your book but Dr. George Barna he's been on point

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: if you many times and he does all this research on worldview but most people today definitely

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: don't have a biblical worldview but they've got kind of a mix of everything that they're

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: taking in from culture and I think for young people even just the concept of worldview is

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: probably extremely helpful to realize that everybody has a lens that they're looking at the

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: world through so again that's such a great section and something else though that I did want to

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about is at the beginning of your book you talk about how we tend to have a couple of

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: particular reactions to the culture we either want to fight and we can very combative you know

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's I mean again understandable we see all these scary you know thoughts and worldviews

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and everything coming for our kids or we want to flee and just you know I'm going to go away separate

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: from society but how can we approach this in a healthy way in the world that we live in?

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's such a such an important conversation and even as a family to be thinking about how

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: you're approaching this together I definitely get the idea of wanting to flee and why

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: to hide I want to protect our children I also get the idea where we can't just separate from culture

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because then where is the light in culture but we also want to make sure that our kids are in

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: an age appropriate place in order to stand for God in the culture so there's a lot of

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: changed and then how is that impacting our kids lives? If our kids see a life that is good

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and valuable and honoring and service oriented and they see all the things of Christ in us

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a good life for them to grow up and right my youth pastor talked about the fact that

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: kids are less worried about today whether something's true whether rather than what is good

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that's an interesting concept because they'll figure out if it's true once they decided

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it goes back to if we're not hypocrites if we're really living this life and they're living in

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: their seeing parents who love each other they're seeing the love of Christ they're seeing

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: miracles that God does in our lives because we talk about what He does you know all those kind

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: of things and then they're going to see that goodness and so then they're going to have a strong

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: foundation as they go out into culture and when they see these ideas they're going to think

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that sounds so great you know I see how depressed and how anxious and how all these things

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the kids around me are and so I'm going to stand so I think it really does start and just start

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that home absolutely and so if you've been listening to point of view since the start of the

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: show today we've interviewed Dr. Brad Wilcox on the issue of marriage and we've interviewed Jay

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Louter on the issue of suicide prevention these are issues that your kids will be getting messages

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: about from someone and so if you want to help the next generation address pressing issues like that

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: from a biblical worldview I really recommend Andrea's book Christ over culture because it is such

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: a good resource but you have other resources as well so before we round out the the segment I do

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: want to hear about the toolkit the community online the conferences that you have to tell us about

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: other ways parents can get plugged in yes so we have online we have the raising Christian kids

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: toolkit this is a great resource for your kids three to ten three to eleven really to talk about

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: a biblical worldview what are the seven principles of God's design so they can sort to understand God

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and creation and marriage and the binary of male and female that toolkit also has a document

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that you can use with your child to say here's how God created male and female different

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and so it goes through that we're different mentally emotionally sexually physically spiritually

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and really talks to them about how we're different and how God created us that way and then we have

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: our communities so we have like-minded parents who are part of a community where we share and

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: give insights and where people can ask questions and have prayer and both of those things are free

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: as part of our ministry and then we also have the raising Christian kids conference we had one here

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: in Dallas in April and then we're going to Raleigh North Carolina in September and then near Nashville

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Tennessee in October and that's where we have six speakers we have Amy Davis and from my

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: her politics we have Ricky Schlepp from the Institute of Biblical Sexuality we have some great

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: speakers who speak to parents and give them practical resources so we're telling them what's going

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: on in culture but here's how what you can do at home which I think is what really sets this

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: conference apart and helps parents by the time they're gone done being like wow that exceeded our

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: expectations we're so glad we spent this day and a half with y'all so that's one of my favorites

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just to be together with parents and equipping them so they don't they aren't scared anymore

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're not confused anymore and they feel equipped and now like we can do this yeah that's

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so great because as you said we can't be intentional about our discipleship if we aren't equipped

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and so these resources sound great tell us quickly about your website and your social media so people

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: can follow you absolutely we're at genuine family ministries.com so that's where you can go to get the

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: raising Christian kids toolkit or find out about the conference all those different things sign up for

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the community and then we also I'm on social media at Andrea Crom 7 as my personal and then we have

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: genuine family ministries is our Instagram handle as well. Okay perfect well thank you so much for

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: joining point of view today it's been great to have you on again Christ ever culture raising kids to

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: stand in a post modern world get this book you can find it at point of view.net as well as all the

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: other links and resources that we've mentioned so this is such a great toolkit for parents so get it

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: yourself get it to share with the parent that you know and then stay with us because when we come back

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[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: for point of view. Welcome back to point of view I'm Liberty McCartor sitting in today for

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: me. Thank you for saying with me we've got a half hour of the show left and after some incredible

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: guests and in a few minutes we've had the privilege of doing and the show so far we're going to

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: turn to some news and some articles that I wanted to highlight and I think they dev-tell

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: quite nicely with some of the topics that we've discussed but in case you are just now joining us

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: let me recap a little bit what we've talked about in the first hour I interviewed Dr. Brad

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Wilcox who is the author of the new book Get Married that was a great interview it's a great

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: resource go to the website point of view.net click on the link and you can check that out or you

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: can go back and watch the show later and catch up on what you missed next site interviewed Jay Louter

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: who has a wonderful ministry and an amazing testimony I'm and he was talking about the issue

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of suicide because it is suicide prevention awareness month and so Jay just has some incredible

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: resources to share and a hope filled testimony so for anybody if you know a loved one or you

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yourself are battling with mental health issues and you want more resources then go to his website

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: jlouter.com and we just finished up an interview with Andrea Kram who is the author of a new book

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Christ over culture raising Christian kids to stand in a post modern world she was in studio that

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: was great if you missed that you'll want to listen to it and so one of the things that Andrea

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: talked about was worldview and how we can equip ourselves as parents but also equip our kids

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to understand that there are different worldviews and again if you are a listener of point of view

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you you are familiar with the worldview conversation because we want to equip you to look at

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the world through a biblical lens from a biblical point of view but we can help our kids

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: understand this as well and one issue that I wanted to discuss is the worldview underneath

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: this growing problem of assisted suicide in the first hour we discussed the issue of suicide

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: prevention but yesterday the Wall Street Journal had an article you can go to point of view.net

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: if you'd like to read the article for yourself called welcome to Canada the doctor will kill you now

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: assisted suicide was sold as compassionate in practice it has turned out to be monstrous

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: not really a surprise I think for a lot of us here at point of view or those of us who listen

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to point of view but it is a tale of warning because there are already several states in the United

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: States that have legalized assisted suicide and so our neighbors to the north have had it

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: legalized nationwide much longer than we have and so we can look for some instruction of what not to

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: do or what to be aware of and as we are going through this article I want to think about the

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: world view that's behind it as well. So again the states currently in America where assisted

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: physician assisted suicide is my college is legal Colorado California Washington DC

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Hawaii not really any surprises there Montana may New Jersey New Mexico orkin from

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Mont in Washington currently to my knowledge based on what I was able to look up I don't believe

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: either of our presidential candidates right now are supporting physician assisted suicide but again

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: something to be aware of at the state level and so but Canada has gone even more extreme

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: so back in 2015 Canada passed the medical assistance and dying or made law which you've heard

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: about probably here on point of view but at the time it was meant to be as a last resort.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The plaintiffs who argued the case at this a Canada Supreme Court argued that it

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: they wanted to help their patients live not die this was not going to be something where every

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: single application would be represented with the yes again this was the last resort.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Has it stayed that way? No it it hasn't unfortunately but again I don't think surprisingly

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because many people have warned on this issue and many other cultural issues it is a slippery slope

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and so now many of the safeguards that were in place before to make sure that applicants for

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: physician assisted suicide were not just rubber stamped they have been now called discriminatory

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and so there's a new law that has dropped multiple safeguards such as the minimum 10 day assessment period

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: between request and provision. They also mental illness is now an eligible condition

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: saying that mental illness was not an eligible condition for physician assisted suicide was

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: so I mean just so crazy to think about ministries like we discussed a few minutes ago which

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: a louder where if you have a loved one who is struggling with their mental health or battling

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts of suicide then we are generally compelled as a society to intervene to talk to them

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: about that and yet if it is this issue in the minds of some then it is okay for them to end

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: life as long as it's with a physician. Again as this article says the message for everyone else

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: remains the same if you want to die you need it wait and so what was meant to be exceptional

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: has become routine the article goes on to say the government believed doctors wouldn't merely

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: rubber stamp applications yet in 2022 more than 81% of faticians resulted in death including

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: for things like vision and hearing loss and diabetes so Canada has the fastest growing assisted

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: dying program in the world and again something that many people who are opposed to this have

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: been warning about for a long time is the fact that this can easily be abused and there is a case

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: in this article again it's from Wall Street Journal you can find a link at point of view.net

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but Roger Foley 48 year old in Canada he was interviewed for this article and he

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: does have a disability so he's been in care facilities and he began to struggle with his mental

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: health and when he shared some suicidal thoughts that he was having with the staff of the care

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: facility he was in in Canada they began to float the idea of use in Asia and alarmed by that

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: he started to record their conversations and then shared it with the press and so in some of

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: these conversations and get as a hospital ethicist actually threatened the gentleman with the denial

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of insurance coverage for continuing to stay in the hospital where he needed to stay for care

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and so Mr. Foley who again is interviewed in this article says that in practice what was

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: supposed to be compassionate something to end suffering has turned into end the sufferer ideal

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot with pain every day he says but you can't give up at the point of any problem your still

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of value your life has value and there's currently a case before the Ontario Superior Court

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: led by the organization called dying with dignity to try to lower the bar for applicants to do this

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: even lower so again I wanted to highlight this I know it's heavy but we need to be aware and let's go

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: back to that issue of worldview we have a pervasive view in our post-modern culture that is very

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: self-centered and I believe that that is what is behind this growing movement for a physician

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: assisted suicide that we've seen in Canada and other parts around the world and that we're

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in several states now in our own country this idea that I you know the greatest point of life is to

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: just be as happy as possible to look out for your own interest to make as much money as you can

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: again we are more socially isolated than ever before in the modern west and this isn't an

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: accident because if you don't if you are socially isolated you're going to be more unhappy but you're

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: also not going to feel any sort of sense of responsibility to take care of another person and

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: so this actually also goes into what we talked about in the first hour with Dr. Wilcox and this

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: negative attitude toward marriage of marriage is of no benefit is what we're told in the culture

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: two men or women and then we didn't even get to a but Dr. Wilcox's book also discusses the issue

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of the fertility crisis because when you aren't having people get married then they're not having

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: kids and then again a lot of the people who are getting married then they're not having kids

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's a choice that we've talked about a lot on point of view as well and again this isn't

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that everybody has to have children or even that everybody has to get married but

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: we're losing our sense of community and of identity and who we were made to be in the image of

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: God we are social and communal creatures and I think that a lot of us in popular culture

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: have lost sight of the fact that if we want to be fulfilled in life then we need to be in relationship

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but relationship requires sacrifice you can't just jump out of a marriage or end a life

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it's an unborn life or an elderly life or disabled life when it becomes inconvenient

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to everybody else we have a responsibility to our fellow man and we need to be in community

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: in order to fully understand that which again goes back to what we were talking about

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: on the issue of worldview with Andrea Cram in the previous segment and how important that is

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to truly understand our own worldview as Christians but to also be able to identify the world view

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: behind a lot of the issues around us so we're going to be continuing to talk about some articles

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: on the issue of loneliness and community in our society right after the sprayx to stay with point of view

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: when if you we've been talking a lot about worldview especially in the last few minutes and so

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[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know at point of view we want to equip you to make a difference in your sphere of influence

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and in the culture and so we talk about things like you know voting and we've got our voter central

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[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: make available to you at point of view.net but I wanted to keep talking about this issue of

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: community it's really it wasn't necessarily intentional but it's become a theme throughout the

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: show today of the our need for meaningful community and how the detrimental effects that isolation

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: has on us as individuals and then the ripple effect that that has in our culture and so I wanted

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to bring your attention to an article that you can find at point if you.net it's from the New York

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Times as Kirby often says we read it so you don't have to and I do subscribe to the New York Times

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and so this is a column from David French called the loneliness epidemic has a cure now I know

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: David French can be controversial a lot of people don't like his positions on things and that's okay

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but he is hits the nail on the head with this column on the issue of loneliness and again

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: how you can make a very real difference right where you are and really make a difference in

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody's life what is the most important single thing you can do to heal our national

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: divides and to improve the social and economic mobility of your struggling neighbors he asks

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you can vote for the right candidate sure that's great you can get involved in activism

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: volunteering again all things at point of view we encourage you to do on a daily basis but he says

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that what we actually need to do is something that is more simple but can be more difficult

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: making a new friend because the story of modern America he writes is a story of declining connections

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: declining friendships and a loss of a sense of belonging and so if you remember last year

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to USer general actually release an advisory about the fact that we have a loneliness epidemic

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and what was really striking for a lot of people is that the younger generations were more likely

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that they were lonely than older Americans even though it's affecting everybody but there

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is actually another study released by the American Enterprise Institute just recently which French

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: notes in his column called the American Social Capital Survey and so what this study shows

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: or what this survey shows is that there's actually not just an age divide with you know

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: who has community and social connections and who doesn't but also a class divide people with

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: high school diplomas or less spend less time in public spaces less time in hobby groups less

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then people with college degrees and higher are more likely to have those social

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: connections and what that is that it's actually the former demographic that is going to be

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: in more need often of a kind of social network that comes from having those important

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: connections but across the board Americans are reporting that they have declining numbers of friends

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and that they maybe don't even have a close friend and so French goes on and kind of ties

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: this to sort of Trumpism and some of the phenomenon of people who have really gotten involved

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: on that side but it definitely is through across the political aisle too if we don't have

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: a sense of identity or a sense of belonging in our communities which all of the places where we

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: just to find that church in religious belonging those things are end-to-clined as we've seen

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: people are attending church or not affiliated with religion the kind of automatic community

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: for historically for so many people which was the family while as we talked about at the

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: beginning of the show that's declining so many people aren't getting married or having kids and

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so they're not connected to an nuclear family this is the problem is that people are losing

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: connection so where are they going to find their identity and if people are turning to politics

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: this is an issue that I've talked about on the know why podcast a lot but if people don't have

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a sense of belonging and then they find it they're going to latch onto it and it's not just going

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a tool or hey you know I agree with this policies so I'm going to vote this way or I really

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: like this candidates so I'm going to get behind them and support them which are all fine like just

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: things wrong with that but more so no this is who I am and I think that that is why we are seeing

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: such a divide one of the reasons there were seeing such a divide today's because that is a source

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of identity for so many people so I mean David French is hardly the first person to point that out

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was back in 2016 former Senator Ben Sass wrote a book called them and he talked about

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the lack of rootedness in any sort of local culture that people have and again this is something

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I addressed in the last few months on my podcast as well we did an episode on localism

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but as our local communities die out as those family connections become more and more

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the exception rather than the norm you're going to see people who are lonely who don't have

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: connections and they're going to be finding their identity outside of where their identity truly lies

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so this is my encouragement to you as we round out the show today if you have been convicted

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: or inspired or encouraged or interested by anything that we've talked about today then you can be

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a difference maker but one of the best ways to do that is yes you know buy a book and read the book

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and support a big ministry and get involved in politics and definitely vote but go outside

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: meet your neighbor maybe you know somebody who lives across the street and they eat alone and you

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: for dinner you can invite them to church you could make them a part of your community and if you

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe don't have kids and we don't have grandkids and you want to do that you can help

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: disciple kids in your church and in your community there are so many ways that we can connect

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: with the people around us and it doesn't have to be a grand gesture it can just simply be hey

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: do you want to come to church you want to come over for dinner let me be a friend

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and if we start there I think that we really will begin to see a difference in our local

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: communities but i'm liberty mccarder it has been great to be with you on point of view today be

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: sure to tune into mario because penna will be hosting on Thursday uh Kirby will be back he'll be

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[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: in a different world from many people in positions of authority they say men can be women and

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: women men people are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics criminals

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: or more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens it's overwhelming so demoralizing you feel

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_04]: like giving up but we can't we shouldn't we must not as Winston Churchill said to Britain

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in the darkest days of world war two never given never given never never never never never

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