Point of View September 28, 2026 – Hour 2 : American Apathy Towards 9/11

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kerby Anderson. Second Hour continued our conversation with Darren Kinder, but later on don't forget we will have Alex McFarlane as we reflect a little bit on 9-11, but we've sort of pivoted from 9-11 to the real need today for men to be godly men.

[00:00:34] And I thought for just a few minutes as we talk with Darren Kinder again, special agent with the United States Secret Service, formerly of course, and an individual that survived 9-11 25 years ago. This has provided you with an opportunity to do the fierce.faith.com website. And of course Fierce Faith is very important, but I thought Darren we might just talk about the need. And one is that I recognize that as I interact with more and more of these young men, they don't really have a very good role model.

[00:01:02] They either had an absent father or an uninvolved father. And so oftentimes, even in a good family relationship, boys want to try to figure out how to be a man by being around men. But whether it's in grade school or even in Sunday school, most of the teachers are women. And then when you have so many divorces and things of that nature, I run into a lot of men that just simply say, or young men, to say, I don't really know what it means to be a man.

[00:01:32] And it seems to me that that's one of the reasons why I think people should have you come and speak and really begin to think about developing a men's ministry in their local church. For sure. There's a there's an epidemic going on that that will have generational effects if we don't if we don't address it as the church. There is some kind of spiritual renewal going on. Praise God. Good. With young men. Yes. All the Barner research and other polls show that young men are showing an interest in faith.

[00:02:01] Let's just say faith in general. And they're stepping in, walking into churches. Really, in the last 18 months, it's been most. What are what are we showing them? What are we giving them? You know, do we do we want to give them a place that kind of looks dull and boring and they're kind of told just to sit down and be quiet and and don't be a problem? Well, they've been they've been taught that they've been trained for that for the last 25 years or so.

[00:02:25] Or are we going to give them a vibrant place where they can they can get shoulder to shoulder with men and do things together? You know, men, young men, especially they communicate while they're doing. Yes. Doing the good work, being the hands and feet of Christ, doing the doing the work together and learning from each other, entering into these mentor relationships, these discipleship relationships with with older men that can share with them what matters. You know, that's what that's what as I'm getting older, I've learned wisdom. Wisdom is really kind of knowing what matters and what doesn't. Right.

[00:02:55] I took that from from a book by Brant Hanson, I believe. So all of those things incorporate that into into these young men, because I think they're look they're looking around and they're looking for kind of spiritual guidance and mentors. And unfortunately, especially in the younger ones, that can very easily be found online. Yes, it can.

[00:03:17] And Kerby, the the toxic, disgusting imitations of masculinity online are just are just through the roof. And and that's the last thing we want them. It may be even somebody online who's maybe quoting a Bible verse every now and then. But I wouldn't I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust any of it. And they're turning to these things because it's easy. It's right there. It's on their phone.

[00:03:43] We have to be aggressive, fiercely aggressive as the church to grab these young men and start shaping them and molding them and telling them, giving them a future, you know, giving them a purpose, a legacy that matters. And we need to see them face to face because you think about this Titus to first Timothy in passages. But Titus two in particular, older women are to disciple younger women. Well, the women, they do pretty well. They develop what I call the steel magnolia relationships.

[00:04:11] And I've never been in a church where the women's ministry isn't just blowing and going. But I've been in most churches where the men's ministry is floundering because the older men need to be discipling face to face the younger men. And that's one of the things that I think is limited. If nothing else, we need to get some of these young men off of these screens. Now, it used to be that we were concerned about the screen. You just talked about the toxic masculinity. We're also concerned about the screens in terms of pornography. That's still true.

[00:04:40] But now we're even more concerned about these screens because of gambling. And this has become a major issue in our culture. And it seems to me that this is all the more reason why I think people should find out about your ministry, support your ministry, do what they can in their own local church to build men's ministries. Because we could lose a generation, even though they're the ones right now kind of looking. And more men than young women are coming right now.

[00:05:10] At least in Gen Z, coming to church than women, which is very interesting. So we have an opportunity, but we better not blow it. Agreed. Agreed. And a lot of the research is indicating they're stepping into churches. They're exploring faith because they're looking for something that relates to purpose. A lot of the research is pointing towards that. Like maybe they're 30 years old and they've been successful in the workplace. And maybe they've been able to get married. And they're kind of like, is this it? Right? I'm 30 years old. Is this it?

[00:05:37] Or maybe it's the 30-year-old who's still living in his parents' basement. And he's asking himself, there's got to be more than this. There's got to be more than this. Of course. Yeah. So they're looking for a real mission and meaning in life. And that's what I want to catapult men towards is each one of them is created as a masterpiece created by God for good works. With different skills, talents, and abilities that you and I don't have. Like I see these younger guys. They have so many skills, talents, abilities that I can't even spell, honestly.

[00:06:07] And they just need to be launched in the proper direction. And given a fight to go fight, you know, a righteous fight. You know, Tim Keller, I'm fond of one of his quotes. Anger breeds bitterness, but righteous anger breeds action. And that gives them an objective. That gives them a dream. That gives them something worth spending their very substance for. And that's God's calling on their life.

[00:06:36] And I try to tell them all the time, you know, what you get out of it, you know, you're created by him, through him, and for him. And God gets the glory. But what you get out of it is joy, contentment, fulfillment, where you're moving through life with a full heart. Let's talk about what the world provides right now. The number one reason young people of prime age are dying is fentanyl and a variety of others or suicide or other kinds of criminal activities.

[00:07:04] So that's not a very good idea. I wrote a book years ago in which I had chapters on a crisis of security and a crisis of loneliness and all sorts of others. And we're dealing with those issues today because they were always there, but they became even more significant because of these smartphones, don't you think? Oh, absolutely. The isolation, getting a 20-year-old to convince them that lone wolf in it is not the way to go.

[00:07:32] But also I've seen 45-year-olds who are still lone wolf in it. And I compare Kirby to that guy who's on the treadmill running about 12 miles an hour, working really hard, going nowhere. Yes. And they're either going to get spit off the end and crash and burn or they're going to tap out and just quit. I don't want to see anybody crash and burn. I don't want to see anybody quit. And you mentioned gambling, the insidious nature of that, and then the drug epidemic and all these things.

[00:07:59] All of those things are just diversions from the enemy. Those are schemes and tactics from the enemy to lure people away from pursuing the real mission that God has for them. And you can say they're harmless. You can say, hey, there's no victim. When a man is not living out his godly purpose, there is a wake of victims behind them. It's their family members. It's their community. It's their wife.

[00:08:25] If it's their children, if that's the case, having harmless fun on those types of things, no such thing in my opinion. We're going to take a break and we'll keep you here just a little bit longer before we get to our good friend Alex McFarland, who you know as well. I thought maybe we'd just talk about this idea of the friendless American male. That was something we were talking about a long time ago, but we're meant for relationships. But sometimes these phones and other things keep us from interacting with one another. We'll talk about that right after this.

[00:09:00] This is Viewpoints with Kerby Anderson. You know, we're facing a significant mental health crisis with our children and young adults. Elizabeth Fisher Good persuasively argues that we can be protecting our kids' mental health by protecting their sexual health. The stress, anxiety, and depression they exhibit is due to more than just a lack of personal connection. She warns our children are being targeted online like never before by those who only seek to use and abuse them.

[00:09:28] She explains predators pose as peers on their favorite social media apps or online gaming chat rooms, forming what feels like a real connection to our lonely and disconnected kids seeking affirmation and acceptance. She also explains the way these traffickers use established grooming techniques. They'll ask for innocent-sounding photos at first, pushing for more and more each time until suddenly our kids are now under the control of this person and feel they have no one to turn to for help.

[00:09:58] The statistics from the Internet are overwhelming. The best estimates are that probably half a million predators are online every day. That suggests that about one in nine children will receive an online sexual solicitation, and once predators have secured a sexual image of a child, they can digitally manipulate it. You know, one article from Psychology Today on the long-lasting consequences of child sexual abuse explains that it doesn't seem to matter whether the abuse is physical or virtual.

[00:10:27] The long-term impact is anxiety, depression, PTSD, personality disorders, and eating disorders. You know, we are rightly concerned about the mental health issues facing children and young adults. To protect their mental health, we must also protect their sexual health. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my Point of View. Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net.

[00:10:55] That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back once again, talking with Darren Kinder for just a few more minutes. I can see why, and I hope you can see why we think what he is doing is so important and why you may want to contact him. Again, you can go to our website, pointofview.net, or just go to fierce-faith.com, and there's a contact point, and maybe you'd want to have him come and speak. Maybe just give some direction.

[00:11:24] And it gets back to the issue of relationships, the friendless American male, men without friends. I've oftentimes said that really you need a Paul in your life to really train you. You need a Barnabas in your life to encourage you. And you need a Timothy to actually disciple. And in some respects, we have cut that off. Darren, I've been in meetings sometimes where they're in the men's groups have said,

[00:11:51] well, we really need to develop some kind of program where we can disciple men. And I've seen some of the older men saying, well, I don't know if I have much to say to these guys. And first of all, I said, well, if you don't, we're in real trouble because you've lived a pretty godly life. You've been fairly successful in the business area. You raised a couple of kids. So I think you really do have some things. And so I appreciate the humility. But that's what we need. I think we need to have people right now saying we need to really strengthen men's ministries.

[00:12:18] We need to have men reach out and find a Timothy to disciple. We need to maybe be an encourager to others as individuals are going through tough times. Because if you're going to begin to really focus on danger and courage, you're going to need some people to be along. And, you know, I jokingly say that even the Lone Ranger had Tonto. So this idea of being a Lone Ranger, that didn't even work there because we do need each other. And that's really what you've been talking about, I know.

[00:12:48] Oh, for sure. For sure. The cross-generational aspect of what you're saying here, you know, having the Paul, the Barnabas, and the Timothy. That is – I can just speak from personal experience. A mutual friend of ours is – I refer to him as a spiritual titan in my life just because – Al Hobbiker will be with us on Wednesday. That's right. Yeah.

[00:13:12] Just poured into me, he and two other men specifically, that were, you know, two life stages, one or two life stages at least ahead of me. And what I was able to – and now I see myself playing in that role as I meet with a couple of young men each week as I'm trying to mentor them. But we've bought the lie. The older guys have bought the lie that they don't have much to offer. Yeah. You always have more than you think. And they've bought the lie, well, you know what?

[00:13:41] I've screwed up a bunch. It's kind of hypocritical for me to – well, no, teach from that. Yeah. Yeah. Warn people of the dangers. Teach them your hard lessons as you learn the hard way. That's what I say. So they don't have to, for sure. But, you know, it just makes me think of, you know, the four friends in the gospel, the four friends who literally tore off the roof. Yes. Tore a hole in the roof to lower their friend down. Yes.

[00:14:09] So that he could be – he could be potentially healed by Jesus. I mean, that's what I call the 3 a.m. friend. You know, who's the friend that you can call? Do you have two or three people that you can call at 3 a.m.? And they're going to pick up. And they're not going to be angry. They're going to be like, whoa, why are you calling me? They're going to be, hey, what's up? What's wrong? Yes. What do you need? And if you don't have that, you need to get it. And that's not going to happen overnight. It needs to be cultivated. And I just encourage people all the time. It's got to be like-minded, godly men.

[00:14:39] Or else you're going to get some wicked off-center counsel, right? Make it godly men. And I am so – a lot of men have buddies, Kirby. Not a lot of men have friends. That is so true. And there's a huge difference. There's such a difference. I refuse to use the word buddy in my everyday language. I don't have buddies. I have friends. Buddies are just somebody you see every now and then. You hang out. You talk sports. And, you know, go to a ball game or whatever.

[00:15:08] And there's nothing wrong with you. Yeah. But if that's the depth, if you just have buddies and you don't have friends, we've got to dive deeper. Yes. And I probably overuse the word buddy, but sometimes I'm meeting people that know me better than I know them. But let's come back to one of those because many times when I'm out speaking for the radio stations, we go to – and matter of fact, we're going to be doing that. I just mentioned that we'll be pretty soon in Georgia and some other places. There are opportunities sometimes to speak to men's groups.

[00:15:36] And one of the ones that I do is the incredible story of David and Jonathan. And I point out that very early on, this is what you might call a covenant friendship because they were dedicated to one another. And that's another real issue, Darren, that we have an American culture. You know, we have all sorts of Facebook friends, but they're not really friends. We have a lot of people that we say hi to church. Do you know when his birthday is? No.

[00:16:05] Do you know what he works? No, I don't really know much about him. Do you know what – are you praying for him? No. No. And so we need to not only develop those relationships, we also, in this American culture, need to deepen some of those relationships, don't we? For sure. And deepen it, in my opinion, in the Word of God, like digging in because the Word of God will be convicting. It will reveal your shortcomings. It will obviously reveal your successes as well.

[00:16:33] But there's nothing like sitting – and I get the honor of doing this weekly – nothing like sitting around a group of men and really, really digging in the Word together and sharpen – I know it sounds cliche, but things are cliche because they're true. Sharpen each other. As iron sharpens iron.

[00:16:53] So there's one man – so – but I just recently in a group and, you know, one of the men just opened it up about his marriage on the rocks, falling apart, asking for prayer, asking for support. And that just – those are the things that matter. You know, these institutions that we just want to seem to flush away, these are the institutions that matter. Marriage, church. That's right. God created these institutions.

[00:17:22] And if yours is struggling, then you need to be bringing in friends of depth that can speak to you. And whether that's – like I said before, someone with a life stage or two ahead of you is great. But also those brothers-in-arms. There's just nothing like being shoulder-to-shoulder with men that speak the same language, if that makes sense.

[00:17:46] Well, again, I think that's the other part of it is that we have promoted sort of this stereotype that you need to be the strong, silent American male. And almost all the action heroes are that way. There's not a lot of vulnerability.

[00:18:01] And yet I think that if you can get into a group where you have some honest and faithful and transparent sharing, that is going to have such an incredible impact, not only in the lives of the men, but as you say, downstream, the lives of their families, the lives of the individuals in the church, and the lives in the community. And I would encourage – to piggyback on that – I would encourage fathers to model this.

[00:18:26] And I don't care if you're a father, if you're a 35-year-old with a 3-year-old and a 2-year-old, or if you're a 65-year-old and you have grown kids, to model this. It's never too late to model this. You know, I haven't shared this before, I think, ever. I was a polygraph examiner for the U.S. Secret Service my last four years. And every candidate I would have across from me, it's someone that's applying to be an agent or an officer. And one of the last hurdles they have to clear is they have to pass a polygraph test.

[00:18:55] And so in the very initial part of the interview, you know, we're not asking hard questions. I'm just kind of getting to know you. And I would always ask, if it was a male, just pretend the applicant's a male, who's the most important person in your life? And I'm telling you, it's not a scientific study, Kirby. But anecdotally, when a young man was sitting across from me and their answer was their father, number one, the answer was always instant.

[00:19:22] They never had to stop and think, well, you know, they would say, my father. And they would look me dead in the eye. And I just knew that almost every single time throughout that whole polygraph process, which is a strenuous process. Right, yes. They were steady. They were confident. Yes. They were respectful. There was an assurance about them that wasn't arrogant. It wasn't cocky. It was just a cool confidence.

[00:19:53] And there's no mistake. And so I would make a note every time to remind myself, Darren, stay in the fight as a father. Keep modeling these godly principles because it matters. Because one day your sons need to be steady. They need to have that same cool confidence. What a great story. How many times have we talked about father wounds on this program over the years and hear, again, an individual that is strengthened by their father.

[00:20:21] And, again, if you certainly have respect for your earthly father, you also have great respect for your heavenly father. So, Darren, it's always great to have you in studio. Bury me in a dirty suit. But, again, we encourage you to go to the website. This will take you to fiercefaith.com and all sorts of great resources. And if people want to contact you and have you come and speak or just minister one-on-one, I know you're available. So thank you for being with us today here on Point of View. It's my pleasure, Kirby. Thank you.

[00:20:47] And I might just mention that guy that you mentioned, Hal Hallbecker, he's going to be sitting here on Wednesday. So we'll get a chance to maybe talk about you as well and certainly talk about his ministry. But just before we run out of time today, we did want to at least mention, and we'll do this in the next segment here, we have our good friend Alex McFarlane. He's, of course, with American Family Radio, author of more than almost two dozen books. Individual we've known for many years.

[00:21:11] But we're going to be talking about this post-9-11 anniversary conversation about conversations that matter. A lot of that gets us into Islam, terrorism, Sharia law. So we'll cover that right after these important messages. Stay tuned. It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority. They say men can be women and women men.

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[00:23:04] The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson. Back to the theme that we certainly have had today. We were, of course, talking with Darren Kinder. A 9-11 survivor wrote, of course, the book Bury Me in a Dirty Suit. And we've certainly talked about this ministry that he has. But I wanted to also alert you to conversations that matter.

[00:23:32] This is something that our good friend, Dr. Alex McFarlane, has put together. And there is an event that will be taking place on October 3rd that really is, if you will, some post-9-11 anniversary thoughts. Alex McFarlane, of course, is the author, co-author of about two dozen books. You, of course, hear him if you listen on American Family Radio to Exploring the Word that he actually does with theologian Burt Harper. And, Dr. Alex McFarlane, it is always a delight to have you on the program.

[00:24:02] Well, my friend, thank you for having me. I sincerely appreciate it. And I know I speak for millions of people when I express how much we appreciate you and all of your contributions to apologetics, biblical worldview, and just good, solid Christian content. You're very much appreciated, sir. Well, that's very nice of you.

[00:24:24] I'm holding up some of our booklets that we've done here on everything from terrorism to Islam to Sharia law, just to remind people that this is certainly one of those topics. But I have been following the Conversations That Matter series that you put together. You've had our good friends that have actually addressed some of these very important issues like Eric McTaxas and others.

[00:24:46] But this one coming up here, October 3rd, really gets us into 9-11, the threat of radical Islam and the need for us to be vigilant. Can you tell us some more? Well, we've got two former Muslims, now both devout followers of Christ. One is a gentleman named Kamal Salim that I've known for about 23 years.

[00:25:11] And he has a fascinating story about how he was raised in the Middle East and was a jihadist. An amazing story, but he became a Christian when he was on a mission for Islam. And then another is Professor Muhammad Faridi, who is a scholar raised in Iran, devout, devout Muslim, and became a Christian.

[00:25:39] But, Kirby, one of the things we're going to be talking about, not only the differences between Islam and Christianity, and how Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God, despite what some people just, I believe, kind of superficially assume, that maybe, oh, you know, the Koran, the Bible, Jesus, Allah, maybe it's all the same. No, it is not. It is not.

[00:26:05] But the men are also going to be talking in depth about their grave concern, and I share this concern, the rise of Sharia in the Western world and calls for, you know, Sharia law here in America. And so we're going to talk about this. And, again, that's one of those big issues, because I'll hold up our little booklet on Sharia law.

[00:26:32] I did one years ago, Alex, and then I did an update, simply because just down the road from where we're broadcasting right now in the Dallas area, there was an attempt to put together kind of a Muslim compound. And I have heard, but I haven't seen yet, but I heard from a couple of individuals that there is a new survey that is out saying that those individuals in America under the age of 30 don't understand some of the dangers of Sharia law.

[00:27:01] Glenn Beck is one of those individuals that had a chance to see an advance survey that came out. And it's, I think, just underscoring all the more reason why this is the key conversation that matters that you're going to be doing here on October 3rd. Well, indeed. I mean, we really think it's vitally important. And I was very blessed, Kirby, over the weekend. Townhall.com put out an article that I wrote called Sharia law, it's no day at the beach.

[00:27:32] Actually, I wrote about a 2,000-word article, and it got edited down to about 800 words, which I understand. But the substance is still there. And the bottom line is that here in America, we cannot have a separate special privilege judiciary for any group. We have one constitution, special privilege for none, equal law for all.

[00:28:03] And, you know, the ACLU and others have said, well, you know, laws banning – because, like, for example, a number of states, I think at least 10 states now have laws that say no foreign law can be practiced or observed in American courts. Only American law.

[00:28:27] And many civil liberties voices on the left have said, oh, well, this will obstruct people's First Amendment right to freedom of religion. And here's the thing we want to be clear about. I mean, any individual can believe anything they want. I mean, it can be truth or it can be false. It can be fact or it could be delusion.

[00:28:47] But what we cannot allow to happen – and by the way, every elected official from our president on down should be sworn to protect and uphold the U.S. Constitution if their position or job impinges on something of constitutional import. Here's my point. Right.

[00:29:11] Islam is really less about religion and more about politics and culture. What people don't realize in many – like you say, many people perhaps under 30 or I would say maybe even under 50, this is not just let's assimilate, let's live and let live. 14 years of Islamic history tell us this, and 50 years since the Ayatollah took over Iran. I'm old enough.

[00:29:40] I remember 1979. Islam yields at nothing. It is not coexistence or assimilation. It is domination. And it will absolutely be America's undoing if Sharia law is allowed to become recognized here in American municipalities.

[00:30:07] Let me just mention real quickly that we'll try to provide this link, but you can find it very easily. It was on Town Hall, September 27th, Sharia law. It's no day at the beach. I'd also mention that there is, of course, what is called Ask Alex, and at the Alex McFarlane Ministries, you also have one is Sharia law compatible with the U.S. Constitution or biblical values. And, Alex, one of the things I do in Sharia law at the end is I say just remember the numbers 1, 8, and 14.

[00:30:35] 1, of course, is the First Amendment, and the First Amendment does not allow an establishment of religion. Sharia law would be that. That 8 stands for the Eighth Amendment, which is no cruel and unusual punishment. And if people read your piece, they'll recognize that's cruel and unusual punishment. And then 14 is, of course, the idea of equal protection. But as you well know, Alex, in Sharia law, men have more rights than women.

[00:31:04] Muslims have more rights than non-Muslims. And so there are all sorts of reasons, as you point out in your very good piece in Ask Alex, that it is not compatible with the Constitution. And, of course, it's not compatible with biblical values. Indeed. Indeed. Thank you for sharing that. That's 1, 8, and 14. Very good. Very good.

[00:31:28] And, you know, in my article I talk about seeing more and more women in burqas and the jeep-compliant dress. And I'm thinking, how are 21st century liberated American feminist women okay with this? Yes. You know, I mean, it's – there are many things besides the denial of the deity of Christ, the denial of the nature of God,

[00:31:58] denial of Christ's atoning death on the cross, denial of – I mean, whenever I have even, like, liberal ministers, they'll say, well, you know, Islam and Christianity, they're all Abrahamic. Well, there's a precept in logic that similarity does not equal sameness.

[00:32:21] Islam and Christianity, different view of God, different view of Jesus, different view of salvation, different view of the atonement, different view of Scripture, very different view of the Jews. They are not the same at all.

[00:32:40] And, you know, I think it's important to say that Islam – well, they have a very different view of God. You and I know that the classical attributes of the God of the Bible – God is immutable, and God is eternal, and God is one.

[00:33:07] But yet, in Islam, Allah does not have to operate or honor any of his attributes or even his word. Kirby, shortly after 9-11, I debated an imam from Atlanta on a national radio network of 600 stations. Let me jump in real quick because we're coming to a break, and I want to hear that story. Also, I want to hear a little bit about the fact that you were at 9-11 after the Twin Towers fell.

[00:33:36] So we'll come back and continue our conversation with Dr. Alex McFarlane. All that coming up right after this. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back for a few more minutes with Alex McFarlane.

[00:34:06] And, Alex, you, of course, were talking about an interaction you had with an imam. But I also want to get your thoughts because I believe, after getting some of this information, that you were actually there in New York right after 9-11. And I'd love to get your thoughts on both of those issues because you were there at Ground Zero, and you also have spent some time for these last 25 years addressing this issue of Islam, haven't you? Yes, Kirby.

[00:34:34] The day after 9-11, September 12th, I was literally there at Ground Zero. Wow. For two weeks serving as a volunteer chaplain with the Billy Graham Ministry. Great. And that was a great, great honor. They had taken a group, quickly assembled it for, oh, my goodness. I would love to do a whole show and tell you about some of the interactions with hundreds and hundreds of New Yorkers,

[00:35:02] first responders, firefighters. There was a very famous ladder company, 12, that lost a lot of people. And we need to remember, I mean, the worldview that did this, Islam. And by the way, you know, Mohammed Faridi is from Iran, and he'll be there live in person Saturday night, October 3rd, the Greg Rolls Legacy Theater in North Myrtle Beach.

[00:35:29] And in Iran, every morning for children, and I have this from a number of Iranian people that, you know, this is not hearsay, but children, in order to go to school, among other things, to get an education, children have to recite Death to America, Death to Israel.

[00:35:52] They're just programmed, those that, you know, really commit to this, although the Spirit of God is breaking through, and thousands and thousands of the Iranians are coming to Christ every month. But Death to America, Death to Israel.

[00:36:11] And 9-11 is a reminder that this worldview, this worldview basically has domination at any cost as its MO. Before the break, I was going to mention this debate I had with an imam who, and I've debated a number of Muslims over the years, including one at West Texas A&M in Amarillo that told me and a group he wanted to kill me.

[00:36:40] And I said, well, listen, I'm not scared because I belong to Christ. And, you know, you can't do anything like that. But for those that think this is peaceful coexistence, and I know there are millions of American Muslims that are just working to put food on the table for their family like we all do.

[00:37:05] But the ideology and the mosques and the movements and the Islamic centers, they are very patient, this cultural jihad. And like CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations, that are funding more and more candidates running for office to incrementally,

[00:37:29] methodically get Islam and Sharia more and more ingrained in American life. It's cultural suicide if we don't prayerfully, legally, diligently stand against this. And that's part of why we're doing what we're doing Saturday night.

[00:37:51] But, Kerby, this imam I was debating right after 9-11, he, you know, I said the God of the Bible will act in accord with his nature. The God of the Bible will keep his word, and the God of the Bible will do that which is logically meaningful. In other words, we can depend on God, and we can know God. Malachi 3 says, I, the Lord, change not.

[00:38:21] And Hebrews 13 says, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And I asked the imam, I said, could Allah cause himself to go out of existence? And he said, if he wanted to. See, Allah, in Islamic thought, although the God of Islam does not exist, but in Islamic thought, Allah could send a bad man to heaven and a good man to hell.

[00:38:50] Allah is not bound by a definable, dependable nature. Allah does not have to honor the word of the Quran. And one of the great realities of Christianity is that the God of Christianity is knowable and dependable. Right.

[00:39:12] By the way, I asked this imam, and I've asked a number of Muslims, you know, do you know Allah? Allah. And this imam, I'm not going to say his name, but he's from Atlanta. He said, Allah is unknowable. Right. Well, Jesus said to the disciples, he said, see, I have told you all things. See, we can have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, and he wants us to know him.

[00:39:42] You know, he says in John, the Father seeketh such to worship him. We can have a relationship with Christ, and only Christ rose from the dead, thus validating his identity and message.

[00:39:57] So I want to say to everybody listening who's a believer, we really need to pray for our nation, because it's not primarily a philosophical battle or ideological battle, although those are part of it. And certainly Christianity and the U.S. Constitution are very, very defensible, but this is a spiritual battle.

[00:40:22] And just the animus and the hatred that Muslims, Muslim leaders have for not only Christianity, but the Jewish people, I think it betrays that this really is a spiritual battle of Satan versus God, darkness versus light, error versus truth. Just before I let you go, let me mention again that this is October 3rd, 7 p.m.

[00:40:51] For our listeners out there in North Carolina, South Carolina, you can go to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and again, Muhammad Faridi and Kamal Salim. And again, most importantly, I just encourage people to go to alexmcfarland.com. You can find out more about the conversations, but you can also just learn so much. And as I mentioned just a few minutes ago, you were spending some time educating people about these issues.

[00:41:15] And at a time when we have a candidate out of Michigan, we have a number of listeners up there in Michigan that are basically saying Sharia law is really no different than Christian canon law. There are people that are saying Christians and Muslims worship the same God. We need this kind of very clear biblical insight, and that's why we always depend on you, Alex, and all the work that you are doing all these years. And so I appreciate what you are doing right now on American Family Radio.

[00:41:44] Please say hi to Bert Harper and all the people there at AFR because we certainly appreciate all of them and appreciate what you do as well for the kingdom. God bless you, Dr. Anderson. I appreciate you very much, and it's always a privilege when we can converse. Thank you. Well, we're going to take a break, and when we come back tomorrow, as I kind of warned you, we're going to have four different guests, two guests in studio. It's going to be busy, busy, busy.

[00:42:09] So if you find yourself saying, well, I'm not real interested in that, wait 15 minutes because we're going to be on to another topic. We're going to talk about how important it is to vote. Well, of course you know that, but all the vote all the way down. Debbie Withnow will be with us in that regard. We're going to talk about counseling and this excellent new book that's come out from June Hunt and her staff. We'll get into that. We're going to talk about a very important conference taking place, a number of other things that you need to know about.

[00:42:37] So I hope you can be listening all two hours tomorrow. It's going to be packed. We're going to do our best to get all these guests in at the right places at the right time and make it all happen. Behind the scenes, as always, I want to thank Megan for her help engineering the program. And Derek, thank you for producing the program. But if you find yourself saying, I'd like to know a little bit more about Darren Kinder, I'd like to know a little bit more about Alex McFarlane, I'd like to find some of those articles that you mentioned. It's all available at pointofview.net.

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