Point of View September 21, 2026 – Hour 2 : Flock Cameras Hacked

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View. Kerby Anderson. Second hour today, we're going to spend some time first of all talking about artificial intelligence. We'll get to very soon the article we've posted here, which is written by Whitney Curry Wimbish, about congressional Democrats and their reaction to AI.

[00:00:34] And that one is one that is maybe full of lots of concern and fear. But I thought I would start off by talking about one that I haven't posted, but maybe can post tomorrow, but we'll talk about it right now. By our good friend Robert Knight. By the way, you're going to hear from him at a quarter to the top of the hour, interestingly enough. So that will be an opportunity. But in case you are unfamiliar, and one of the big concerns I have so often with media,

[00:01:01] I don't care whether it's secular media, Christian media, they oftentimes don't give you context. And I hope that that's another reason for some of you supporting Point of View, because I work really hard to give you context. Why is it, for example, that all of a sudden everybody's talking about AI? Well, we've had artificial intelligence issues before. We have a booklet on it and we have done a whole outlook articles on it.

[00:01:28] But a lot of it started about now almost two weeks ago with Jacob Coxon, 27 year old who actually resigned. He had worked at OpenAI and then worked at Anthropic. He's kind of the two big, if you will, tech companies involved in all sorts of aspects of artificial intelligence. Then he not only decided to resign, he posted a piece that had 152 million views.

[00:01:57] And then you had a person who was still working at Anthropic, Evan Huebner, who said, well, I think the odds of AI killing every human being could be as much as 10% by the end of the decade. Well, that got everybody's attention. And then, of course, very quickly there on, you had the CEO of Anthropic, Dario Amodei, saying we should publish his essay, which I've held up for you to see. We must pace the frontier. Elon Musk agreed with that.

[00:02:27] Sam Altman agreed with that. And pretty soon everybody was moving in that direction. And as you'll see in just a minute, when we go through the piece by Robert Knight, president and former president Barack Obama said, yeah, this may be something the Democrats should make as the centerpiece of their midterm campaign. And of course, I've pointed out before that all of this came together just a little too coincidentally.

[00:02:52] Even David Sachs, who turns out to actually be the former AI expert and now is kind of the crypto czar for President Trump, said, you know, stop pretending antitrust law has to be suspended so you can form a cartel. Because that's what they were looking for, some kind of antitrust waiver.

[00:03:11] And I have reminded you that every time we have a crisis, 9-11, well, we had the Patriot Act, the 2008 Great Recession. Well, we had Dodd-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley and climate change. Well, we need the Green New Deal, which was passed under a phony name, the Inflation Reduction Act. During the pandemic, well, we had to have the mask. We had to have six feet separation. The Constitution's been suspended.

[00:03:38] And now with the AI Armageddon, well, we need to have government take control. Or in some cases, Bernie Sanders says, at least take 50% of control or else we need to ban it. And I think that's why you have this piece by Robert Knight, the curious timing of the AI panic. He's got just a bit of skepticism like we do as well. He says there's a whiff of apocalypse in the air. Reminds us, of course, of the Green New Deal.

[00:04:08] Reminds us that in 2020 during the COVID pandemic and the George Floyd riots, that allowed us to then relax all sorts of election rules. And now we're being told that artificial intelligence will destroy humankind in the next 10 years. He, of course, gives you the same quotes that I just gave you.

[00:04:26] He points out that former President Barack Obama, he says, who knows a thing or two about effective demagoguery, has told Democratic leaders to put opposition to AI and data centers at the center of their campaigns. So he says, expect more scare stories. Well, China's state media and Russia's RT network have been churning out propaganda, slowing down America's AI industry. And you have some of these radical groups.

[00:04:56] And he gives you the documentation that have received millions from a billionaire communist who lives in Shanghai, China and is married to the code pink founder. And so, again, he says, look, not all of this is AstroTurf. Not all is just created by Russian propaganda and Chinese propaganda. I mean, he says, you know, there's some real concerns who wants a data center in their backyard.

[00:05:22] The report acknowledges that much of the opposition that Americans have to data centers is authentic. But he says two things can be true at once. There is foreign influence and a foreign influence campaign against American AI because we want to lose. We at least China wants us to lose the race to them about AI. And also Americans have genuine concerns about data centers build out. And some of that needs to be heard.

[00:05:51] And so then there are, he says, some other interesting things. There's, as he says, a sniff of anti-Semitism because supposedly Israel put them up to all of this. And then there are some issues about everything from the nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran to gas prices. He goes through quite a lot. But in the interest of time, let me get to some of his last points.

[00:06:18] And that is, he says, in about seven weeks, or as I just told you a few minutes ago, 43 days, American voters will decide whether to keep the Trump train rolling or to turn Congress back over to Democrats who are preparing nonstop investigations to cripple Trump again. He says, love him or hate him, Trump, backed by Republican Congress, has managed to secure America's borders, something most people tend to forget, as well as deport thousands of illegal immigrants.

[00:06:46] His administration has taken aim at sex experiments on children at men and women's sports, forced NATO to fund more of its own defense, reignite America's manufacturing base, and greatly reduced the nation's crime rate. By the way, the crime rate is lower than it's ever been in the measurable past, which is amazing. So he goes on to simply say, look, a president can do a lot with his pen and phone, as President Obama said while pledging to go around Congress,

[00:07:15] but real change comes from legislation and then does a contrast between the Democrats' Inflation Reduction Act, which was kind of a gift to the climate lobby, and the Republicans' one big, beautiful act. And so as a result, talks about that, giving tax breaks to seniors, workers who get tips over time, car loans, all the rest.

[00:07:40] And so I think you're going to see this issue being ramped up, number one, about affordability, number two, about the fears of AI and data centers. And over these next few weeks, that's kind of what you're going to be hearing, as well as the enormous number of attack ads that will be in the media as well. So we're going to take a break and come back, and I'm going to get to the piece here by Whitney Curry-Wimbish, I should say,

[00:08:10] Congressional Democrats in Hysterics About Saving the World from AI, because then she picks up, in a sense, where Robert Knight leaves off. And it's our fourth article on the website. If you want to find it, you can go to pointofview.net to find that article. But you can also go to pointofview.net and make your gift. And I, once again, are encouraging some of you that maybe have made a gift in the past to increase it. If you've never made a gift, can I ask at least a few of you during this break?

[00:08:38] Let's see if we can get three, maybe even five phone calls during this break. We'd love to hear from you. 800-347-5151. 800-347-5151. Artificial Intelligence, right after this. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:07] Ursula von der Leyen is the president of the European Union. She was in the news the other day for saying that savings were lazy. That may have been an unfortunate translation, since I think a more accurate one would have been reported that she said savings were idle. Here is an accurate translation of her comments in context. She said in Europe there are savings. Unfortunately, these savings are idle. 10 trillion euros of household savings at present remain on bank deposits, and a significant part of the European savings is invested outside our continent.

[00:09:37] Europe must now make these savings work for the good of its business. She then proposed that the EU's Savings and Investment Union would channel those savings into what the EU decided were productive investments. Critics expressed their concern that the money that Europeans worked hard to save would be confiscated by the European Union because Europe is short on cash. The commission pushed back saying that there was no mechanism for mandatory redirection of private deposits. This would merely be a voluntary action.

[00:10:05] However, it is easy to understand the concern. In the past, I've talked about how struggling banks in other countries have used a bail-in to deal with the debt by using the funds of depositors. The EU does not presently have such authority, but you can understand the concern. Those of us who know our history remember Executive Order 6102 that made it illegal for Americans to own gold and required to surrender their gold to the Federal Reserve. Failing to comply brought a fine of $10,000 and 10 years in prison.

[00:10:33] You know, when banks or governments need cash, sometimes voluntary programs become mandatory programs. That is why your speech caused a stir. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view. Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net. That's pointofview.net.

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[00:12:49] And if you've been following this, we've, of course, encouraged you to take an action item. We had a couple of weeks ago, actually a couple of months ago now, Representative Keith Self on the program to talk about his bill, the Privacy Act that addresses this issue of flock cameras. If you're not familiar with those, we'll get into that in just a minute. But as I point out, really, one camera is a tool. More than 100,000 of them, I think we're up to 120,000 of them,

[00:13:17] is another layer of digital surveillance. Some of the things we've talked about here before, these are important issues. And so, again, I encourage you to stay tuned. We're going to have him in studio. He's a new find, and that's due to the great work that Derek, who is my producer, has been able to bring some of these people to the conversation. But just before we go to that at the bottom of the hour,

[00:13:41] I did want to address this issue one more time of the issue of AI, artificial intelligence. And this is the article which actually comes from Prospect. Now, again, I will sometimes post articles where I don't agree with everything a person says. But if you're going to have an ongoing, robust debate, considering different sides, this, I think, is important.

[00:14:07] And so Whitney Curry-Wimbish and David Naden are really talking about what is happening right now with congressional Democrats. And I'm using her phrase, they're in hysterics about saving the world from AI. She says the statement from the former anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon, remember I mentioned to him just a minute ago, that AI could kill us by the end of the decade,

[00:14:32] has triggered the most hostile setting for sound public policy, mass panic. You think? She goes on to say, events since his viral comments have only deepened the frenzy. A senior employee at Anthropic, Evan Huebner, and I just mentioned his name a minute ago, backed it up, say, really, we really do earnestly believe that AI could kill all humans and estimated the chances that AI could cause human extinction at more than 10%.

[00:15:02] So this is, of course, the concern. Whenever we allow individuals to make rash decisions, and I'm thinking, for example, of the Patriot Act, I'm thinking of Dodd-Frank after the Great Recession, thinking about we only have 10 years left before, again, global warming will kill us all, so we need the Green New Deal. We see how awful that has been.

[00:15:30] And so, again, you can see that we have had some very legitimate concerns. One of those is hugging face. Again, if you were listening last week, we talked about that with Liberty McCarter. Or if you go to the Next Generation Conversations He's Had, or you go to the podcast, Know Why podcast, we got into that. But this is where these AI agents can actually, and in this case, escaped,

[00:16:00] and were able to use other agents in other systems to actually attack what's called hugging face, which is one of these particular places. And it shows, okay, it's maybe not Terminator. It's maybe not the movie Matrix. But it raises some very legitimate concerns. So then, out of this, what did you have? Well, you had the head of Anthropic, Dario Amodei, on Facebook.

[00:16:29] I guess it was Face the Nation said, the government and the public need to have a stake in artificial intelligence, which basically, as she points out, is a call to use taxpayer funds on the technology, which his employers are calling apocalyptic. And so, do we have some people with maybe a little more rationality, thinking about what kind of regulations, what kind of control we need to have?

[00:16:56] I bear some good news, and this is even bipartisan. You have, first of all, from Minnesota, Senator Amy Klobuchar, who is one of those individuals. From Texas, you have Ted Cruz. And then, of course, you have the Senate Majority Leader, John Thune, from South Dakota, who are trying to come up with an AI safety bill that, among other things, would preempt some of the existing state laws on AI safety.

[00:17:26] But here is, again, what these two authors, and I keep saying she since it's Whitney and David, but I'll just use the she, what she has said, and that is lawmakers have a very poor track record on panic-induced lawmaking. And I appreciate the fact that she uses one of the examples I've been using, because after the September 11th attack, they compromised American Liberty with the Patriot Act and struck out to start an endless war with Iraq, which had nothing to do with anything.

[00:17:55] And I think that's actually pretty accurate. But nevertheless, illustrates, again, how these people are somewhat skeptical about what we may or may not be able to do. The question I ask is simple. Given the fact that many of these members of Congress don't even know how to download a file,

[00:18:17] most of them don't even, could not give you the name of even three or four social media AI apps. Have you ever heard of ChatGBT? Have you ever heard of Claude? Have you ever heard of, you know, go down the list. No. So, again, they are pointing this out. They're saying a smarter way to respond, she says, to the latest disaster is to avoid codifying the preferences of the various companies

[00:18:46] who are generating the panic, as the former FTC, Federal Trade Commission Chair, Lina Khan has indicated companies are already liable for creating dangerous products. Any other company whose employees announce publicly that their products could destroy humanity would be shut down and their products discontinued. So, here's the question. If you're really this serious about it,

[00:19:13] maybe we should shut down OpenAI and Anthropic. Oh, no, we can't do that. And, of course, unfortunately, we have a president right now that's convinced we're in a race with AI with China. Not that I disagree with that, but that's not going to happen. And then points out the fact that we already have dangers. We've, on this program, talked about artificial intelligence chatbots that have resulted in multiple children and adults dying by suicide.

[00:19:40] And you've had surgeons who have botched operations because their AI tools provided them inaccurate information. AI's Tesla has created multiple fatalities. And she goes into all of that. And, of course, another problem for lawmakers is to interrogate, is why artificial intelligence executives are allowed to lie about their financial position.

[00:20:10] I did a commentary a while back on the AI bubble, which I think is going to burst. According to a report in the Financial Times on Sunday, Anthropic is telling its investors that it will be profitable for the second quarter in a row, but that is because executives adjusted their balance sheet to remove cost, including stock-based compensation, which is a way to keep the true financial position of a company secret. In the meantime, candidates heading for the midterms

[00:20:38] recognized that artificial intelligence and data centers that enable it are major issues for voters, not just in the theoretical doomsday way, but also in a way that might actually help them win election. So, again, this is a very good piece. It gives you quotes from a number of members of Congress, most of whom, of course, Democrats. That illustrates maybe there's a little bit of reason to be skeptical about a few things that are being said right now,

[00:21:07] and we wanted you to see that article as well. As we take a break, let me just mention one more time, because we'll be talking about these flock cameras. This would be, as we go to the bottom of the hour, great time for you to give us a call if you have not done so. If you're waiting to the last half hour, here it's come. 800-347-5151. 800-347-5151.

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[00:23:00] You are listening to Point of View. The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, is Kerby Anderson. Back once again in studio with me is Devin Morgan. Meeting him for the first time, and I think we'll have him back in the future. Counterintelligence expert. He is with Protect.

[00:23:26] And if you go to the website right now, there's a link to protect.texas.com. So, you can find out about that. He also is wearing a shirt that talks about 13 Alpha. So, you can find out more about that. We're going to get into all that in just a minute. Involved in investigative intelligence, protective services, and the rest. I've spent 20 years as an individual, as a counterintelligence officer in Navy. First of all, thank you for your service. Yes, sir.

[00:23:55] And thank you for your service in the Navy. But we're going to talk about these flock cameras. But before we do, let's talk about that because I think more and more people are concerned about privacy and surveillance. That's my booklet here. Or the weaponization of intelligence, our most recent one, which are just some of the 80 different booklets that we make available to people that are part of the truth team. But I think you are in an area where more and more people are concerned about that, aren't they? Yes, sir. Like, I think that is absolutely something.

[00:24:24] And as we talked about before we came on the air, like, that is a subject that has been a relevance for, you know, forever. And will continue to be a relevant subject for the foreseeable future. Well, one of the things that you do is provide services for individuals. And this is something which I think is helpful because people have ring cameras and people want to make sure that they can protect themselves. But as I have mentioned in the past, we had Representative Keith Self on the program.

[00:24:53] I've known Keith for decades. Hard to believe how long I've known him. And he, of course, had a bill called Privacy Act, which is still there, to deal with these flock cameras. Now, one of the things that I've said is, look, I think there's some real value in these cameras. If you have an Amber Alert, if you maybe have your truck stolen, they could go out and maybe catch the thieves before they can take it apart. But on the other hand, one camera is a tool.

[00:25:23] 120,000 of them is digital surveillance. And I'm now hearing that not only do we have flock cameras out there, but it ends up in the wrong hands. Can you speak to that? Yes. So just as you mentioned, I mean, it's a double-edged sword on this one, right, where we have to balance our personal and privacy and our right to live our own life with balancing the fact that, you know, we have to catch the criminals, right?

[00:25:50] And the numbers back that up when we talk about it from a purely security standpoint. Right. Right. You know, two to three times more effective at catching, you know, stolen vehicles and recovering those vehicles. And, you know, and that's where the value really comes into play. But on the flip side, yes, there's 80,000 cameras out there across our biggest cities.

[00:26:12] And when people wake up in the morning and there is a pole on the corner of their street into their neighborhood with a camera and a solar panel that is constantly recording, then, yes, there is an absolute concern with that. You know, I think the thing that kind of broke this news story just recently is that there was a group that was able to literally hack down one of the cameras off the pole, get into it, and see the files that were stored on there.

[00:26:40] And that was because there was a hardware issue with keeping an encryption key in an unencrypted partition of that. Right. So that's the equivalent of writing down your passwords and storing that under your keyboard and thinking everything, your banks and everything are safe. You know, and to the credit of Flock and everybody else, like what those agencies weren't able to find is that there was no evidence of facial recognition. Right.

[00:27:06] So we're not saying that this is, you know, P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way that's walking down the street. It's just like person, vehicle, et cetera. So one of the big issues that really comes into that then is not necessarily hacking and being able to do that. There's obviously room for improvement on the hardware and the technical side. But the biggest issues we've seen are people that have credentialed access to it. There you go. I was going to get to that next.

[00:27:34] And that's one of the things that Key Self was pointing out, even at the time, because you do have stories of individuals that have access, legitimate access. You then say, well, I want to see everything about my girlfriend or I decided I wanted to follow some of those individuals. And so the argument, at least of the Privacy Act, is I think we still have a Fourth Amendment, you know, unreasonable seizures and surges.

[00:27:58] And so people should have the right to be secure that if indeed you're going to retain the data, maybe you can only retain it for 30 days, unless maybe there's a court case. There might be a warrant. And again, you know only so well, having worked in law enforcement as well, if you get a warrant, you can find out a lot more. But Mark Davis, who's a local talk show host, you know him,

[00:28:23] had said this is a little bit like, okay, well, sure, if you have a police officer and you drive by, they're going to have access to you and they can even determine how fast you're going using one of these various kinds of cameras or various kinds of devices. But that's very different than a sense having a police officer follow you wherever you go. And there is a sense in which this could then see when you go to the work, when you go to the store,

[00:28:53] when you go to a gun store, when you go to a rally. There's a sense of invasion of privacy, don't you think? No, absolutely. I think there absolutely is. And like we said, when you have a network of these, now it's a network. It is a full-on database that somebody is able to identify somebody's pattern of life, where they go their doctor's visits, right, things that should be private to us as citizens. And I think where we start to see this is, like I said,

[00:29:20] over 80,000 of these have been funded by local governments, state governments, what have you, not to mention the ones that are being privately bought as well, HOAs, banks. And I think, unfortunately, that a lot of those places that did that are not realizing that that data is being fed into a bigger national database. You know, when I was active duty, we had a thing. I was an intelligence officer, right? So we had a thing called intelligence oversight.

[00:29:50] There's an executive order, 1-2-3-3-3, that was put in after, you know, the Watergate scandals and all the things after that. So there's a thing called incidental collection. When you have a camera sitting on a street corner, it's going to see everything, right? And we don't know that this vehicle is necessarily a stolen vehicle before it's a stolen vehicle. So there is some value in that collection. But to your point about the retention piece, that's where we need to fix some things.

[00:30:17] And Flock has now come back and said that they've reduced their stock retention from 30 days to 7 days. But on top of that, there's audits, just like when we had to go through in the military. And if you're incidental collection, then you had to report that. There's somebody looking through everything on a, you know, very routine basis to make sure that you're complying with that. And just, you know, to keep it local here to Dallas, DPD does a good job with this, right?

[00:30:45] They do weekly audits, and they're looking through every use case within any officer that is pulling their Flock data and then flagging things that need to be looked at further. And that's an example of what's working, right? There's plenty of examples across the country of where it's not working. Yeah. Well, an incidental collection, of course, you have FISA. We've talked about that before, where even though we don't want to or we can't spy on the president of the United States, if the president talks to somebody and we're spying on them, well, then we can get that information.

[00:31:15] And these incidental collections are helpful. And I thought for just a minute, let me also address this, because we talk about this, a biblical view of privacy and surveillance. Because one of the things I run into so often, Devin, when we talk about this is people say, well, I don't care. I mean, I'm not a private person. It doesn't really matter to me. There's a difference between privacy and surveillance. And that's part of the concern. And the incidental collection is a good illustration.

[00:31:42] How many times have maybe you thought you were out of the way of somebody and you're adjusting part of your body, and then you look up and realize there's a camera looking at you right now. Or sometimes you put those cameras in restrooms and things of that nature. Or you are minding your own business, but you are collected incidentally near a crime.

[00:32:04] And all of a sudden now you have to explain why you were there, including some of the people that were there at the Capitol building after all. And so there's just a lot of issues related to this issue of privacy and surveillance. And, again, people should have some expectation of privacy. But we're being told more and more that when you go out in the public, you should have no expectation of privacy because we've got cameras everywhere.

[00:32:33] Well, maybe we need to rethink some of that. And that's why, again, we are encouraging. And let me just take a break, and then we'll come back and get into this in more detail. If you scroll down, of course, first of all, you're going to see a great picture there of Devin Morgan. He's wearing a cowboy hat right now on this picture, but he's wearing a cap here right now, I should say. But if you scroll down, you'll see that we have their action item.

[00:32:54] And our take action item, to protect privacy against flock cameras, we're suggesting that you might want to send a letter to your member of Congress based upon some of the information that is in what is called the Privacy Act, which was introduced by Representative Keith Self. And it provides some real good common sense ideas about this.

[00:33:16] So if you haven't taken the time to go to the website, pointofview.net, first of all, you can find out a little bit more about this issue of privacy and surveillance. You can find out a little bit more about Devin Morgan and, of course, the link that we have to his company, protect-texas.com. And also, you can also take action, and we would encourage you to do so, because we're going to talk a little bit more about privacy and surveillance right after these important messages.

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[00:35:25] Has not actually been a listener, but I think her name was Deb. Actually decided to make a gift. And so that is, I think, encouraging. But there are many of you that have been listening for some time, never given to Point of View, and I would encourage you to give us a call. 800-347-5151. Of course, the website is pointofview.net. You can find out more about Devin Morgan and his organization here on the website at pointofview.net. And as we've encouraged you to do,

[00:35:53] this would be a way in which if we pass the Privacy Act to begin to limit the retention of data and a variety of other issues that are associated with these Flock cameras. And, Devin, there really are kind of three questions people need to ask. Can you go through those? Yes, sir. So three big questions when we're talking about the privacy and how we're looking at this. And those are what's being collected, how long is it being retained, and, importantly, who has access to it.

[00:36:23] And if you ask those questions to your local government and they can't answer it, I think that tells you a lot about what the underlying principles are there as well. Yes. And, again, we have to make a distinction between the public because there's a quote that I have in here in which it says, well, if you are out on the street, you should have no expectation of privacy. Got that. But then there are the ways in which incidental collection takes place.

[00:36:49] And, as I point out, you maybe were trying to adjust your clothing or something like that, and then you look up and there's a camera that you didn't expect. Or, in some respects, they've used surveillance technology to actually catch the Boston Marathon terrorist by using a camera in all places in the Lord & Taylor Department Store security camera. You have, I'm sure, cameras at your house. And sometimes we've used ring cameras to actually catch individuals engaged in graffiti, vandalism, whatever.

[00:37:20] But, at the same time, when you have not just one camera but almost 100,000 cameras, that's digital surveillance. And some of those very important questions are there. We certainly want to do what we can to help with amber alerts or silver alerts or if a truck is stolen. But, at the same time, we do have a Fourth Amendment. And I think we need to talk about that as well, don't we? Yes, sir.

[00:37:45] Exactly to your point is, you know, the real big issue is not necessarily seeing me on the street once. It's seeing me on the street on my entire time as I'm going to the doctor or I'm going to my appointment or whatever, and then now being able to build that bigger pattern in life. For most of us, not really an issue, right, in the sense of I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't need to worry about the prosecution piece of it. But the fact is that the data still exists.

[00:38:14] It is there. And, you know, I think it was New York Times or Washington Post showed that there has been 50, at least 50 cases of this type of data being misused. Yes. Right? I saw those numbers. Yes. I've seen the same numbers. Exactly. And it's the officers looking up where their ex-girlfriends have gone or things to that effect. And those people aren't criminals, right? But that data is still being there.

[00:38:42] And that's just the bigger issue at heart here. And if I want to go to a gun store or a gun range, you and I both like guns, you know, that's sometimes perceived as very dangerous to certain individuals. And if they're in power, they're going to use the weaponization of intelligence in a way that we never anticipated. You go to a rally, maybe just to watch. All of a sudden, you are then perceived to actually agree with everything that was said at that rally. And, of course, then you've had some times in which they've had facial recognition.

[00:39:10] I know of some individuals that actually have been pulled over and actually incarcerated because they thought they were the individual that had a warrant for their arrest. So there are just some things that in this digital age we need to take advantage of. And you certainly have done that in terms of your investigation. But on the other hand, we need to be very careful. But, again, talk about 13 Alpha for just a minute because you're doing some investigations too, aren't you? Yes, sir.

[00:39:39] Yeah, so PROTECT is our private investigative side. Yes. And that's everything from domestic to personal injury cases, working attorneys, anything you can imagine on that PI side. 13 Alpha Solutions, 13alpha.com, that is our private security piece. So it started with executive protection, looking at high-end bodyguards, business owners, CEOs, et cetera. It's now growing out to the types of security that you have in front of the building here, right?

[00:40:05] And just being able to provide a higher level of that service and somebody that actually wants to be there and is not asleep around the back. And you probably noticed that just to get into this building, you have to push the buttons. Yes, sir. And that's only because, and this goes back three studios, we had some people rush in and cause a problem. Now, I'm amazed at how little problem we've had over the years, but not everybody knows where we're located. And it is, I think, something to pay attention to. So the kind of work that you do, I greatly appreciate.

[00:40:35] And if nothing else, thank you for helping us understand that. But it does seem to me that some of the initial concerns about these FLOC cameras have been addressed. Piece of legislation that, again, we encourage people to find out about. You can simply go to the website, pointofview.net. You can see a picture there of Devin Morgan, counterintelligence expert. Scroll down past the Muslim woman who is now a judge in Mississippi, which was our story in the first hour.

[00:41:03] And then you will see our take action item. And we encourage you to take some action by certainly contacting your member of Congress about this particular piece of legislation called the Privacy Act. So, Devin, thank you for being with us today. And we'll call on you again, I'm sure of that. But just before we run out of time, again, as I mentioned, we had our Truth Team Week last week. And I certainly appreciate those of you that have supported this ministry. But as I pointed out before, there's still room for you.

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[00:42:27] And, of course, we talk about the possibility that some individuals that are now in the judiciary maybe have more allegiance to the Koran than they do to the Constitution. A piece that we did about AI, which is there. But most importantly, there's a banner that says Defending Freedom's Legacy. We have our match on the table there. Click on that red button that says Join the Truth Team. You can make a one-time gift or a monthly gift, and all of it's available at the website, pointofview.net.

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