Point of View September 20, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, we're going to start with the next episode.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_06]: of it, this again is shocking and is a reminder that some things have to change in the

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: military.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We heard from this few years ago from Mike Barrie who was at First Liberty Institute

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was in these hearings that they held about extremism in the military.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was extremely offended by it because the people and the ideas that were positive

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: as extremists were conservative ideas.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the same thing that's happening in the military now that they're dealing with.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So the House Armed Services Committee had a hearing and she's Daniel Rungian from First

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Liberty is reporting on it.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they call extremist people who are pro-life, evangelical Christians, Catholics,

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Mormons, these and also al-Qaeda, Hamas, good-clux, because they're all put in the same category

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of extremists.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And where did this definition ever even come from?

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are Christians, you know, which is a pretty mainstream, was mainstream in the military

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a Christian?

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You wonder why they're having recruiting problems because the people and the families who

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: send their children to be in the military now are being called, you know, being insulted

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in this way.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that happened was a post-daw, oh yeah, and a hate groups.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They also list hate groups.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was a friend that the American Family Association, their hate group, did you

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: know that?

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But anybody that has a moral compass seems like as now being called an extremist.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, if you oppose the military paying for travel for people to get abortions,

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: which Senator Tommy Turbibil, fought that fight and basically had to give up.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: If you oppose the military paying for mutilating transgender surgeries for people to join

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: the military or the children of people that are in the military, you are, again, an extremist.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this is coming out of me open now that we are having this house hearing.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And Jim Banks, I believe, is the head of the committee, the Armed Services Committee

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that was holding the hearings.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And he said that they actually interviewed General Lieutenant General Patrick Matt Walk

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and about it.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And he started kind of, I don't know if you call it, apologizing, but he said, we had

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: materials that were poorly developed, training materials.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're fixing that now.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you believe that?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, let me just mention for a minute, this is shocking enough to read the three pages

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_06]: here and Daniel's done a great job of writing that.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we can get her on to talk about it in the future.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But the first paragraph, the first sentence has a link to ex post.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: So I loatbed it up right now because that's where that's when you are shocked because

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: somebody sat there and took a picture in the full screen.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Think of a PowerPoint, we have a full screen.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It says, terrorist groups.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And they've got a picture there of national right to life protecting life in America since

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_06]: 1968.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_06]: They've got a picture of a bumper, actually, a license plate from New York that says, choose

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_06]: life.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm for it.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: They have another picture of Operation Rescue and they have a few other groups as well.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And under the banner, it says terrorist groups.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So anybody that thinks, well, maybe this was just a one off or maybe your ex, maybe

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: over, focusing on this, maybe there's too much hyperbole, maybe somebody drank

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: entirely too much coffee and are overreacting.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You can see the slide itself.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's shocking to think that up there where you would have been listing hummus,

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: his bowl of or even for example, al Qaeda or even in this country, proud boys,

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Kukuk's clan that up there is also pictures of national right to life and a choose

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: life bumper sticker.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I should be a license plate.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And Dr. Miram Matthews, that window is beyond the pale.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The way they defended it, I don't want to say, defended and explained it was that this

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: was Fort Liberty.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was an isolated situation that got the material got in there without going through

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the normal approval process.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Daniel goes on and says, actually this has been going on in several places.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just Fort Liberty.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It has been going on in several places.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Not just anyone.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would like to hear how they're going to respond to that.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because in fact, this has been an issue going on for a while.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And when Mike Barry was in here, he highlighted some of the recruitment.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Videos that the army was coming out with.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's just bizarre.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you show the Chinese recruitment for army and it's a, you're kind of

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: very manly looking, so-dryly thing.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with some of the other countries than you go to the US and the armies.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about you would be accepted here if you're a gay man or a gay woman.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You will be accepted if you're transgender.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was, you would not expect many people who want to sign up under that.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And what are we having trouble with, Ben, right now recruitment, aren't we?

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we are.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I had a lane don'tally from Center for Military Readiness on recently.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's been working, she always is working on these kinds of things in the military.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's been talking about woe ideology and the, the wokeness of the different military

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: leaders and, you know, how many problems it's causing for the rank and file.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So she said that, um, they're already, you know, they've gotten so much pushback on that

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that they're working on in the military.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But obviously, it didn't get to this part of it.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This extremist, terrorist part of it where you're calling normal people, terrorists, and

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: treating them that way.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, so it was interesting because she talked about the number of instances of it.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The nature of these, the repetitive nature of these events over the years and the army.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope, Danielle really stays on this issue.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope she can do that because she's in kind of a good position for it.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But she says as well as the woken ideology that has plagued our nation and destroyed the

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: careers of thousands of religious service members over the past four years,

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: make it hard to believe that the army's overt classification of those with a moral compass

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and who value the unborn, can't classify them as terrorists, is anything but intentional.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really a battle.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The military is a battleground.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of um, if you can make it happen in the military, then, you know, you can kind

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: of do an experiment there where it's authoritarian and they have to do what their leaders say.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the irony here is I have to think a lot of people in the military are even

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: jellicles.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of them are put in life and Catholic.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the notion that you're looking at this thing with their claiming these are hate groups.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's me, I don't want to those.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm good now to there.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, they also have, of course, the various aspects of the uniform code

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: of what is appropriate.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And so now will they perceive that a Latin cross that's a tattoo or the display

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: of a Christian flag at home be punishable under the uniform code of military justice.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_06]: So there were not just talking about the people that might wonder whether they want to join

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_06]: military, but people that are in the military, whether or not some of that hostility exists.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So I just wanted you to see this Daniel Ragnon piece.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I am pretty sure we're going to get her on to talk about it in some detail, but Dr. Matthews,

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you pointed out, it's not just for delivery day.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: It's all sorts of other places and she brings the receipts as they say.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can see this is a problem that needs to be addressed by the next president.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll take a break.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be back right after this.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Illinois who lost a primary vote, there were irregularities so Judge Francis Barth concluded that

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_06]: the election was a tie in order to coin toss and she lost the election.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Later she found out that many members of her church hadn't bothered to vote in the primary

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_06]: election and could have made a crucial difference.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_06]: We've also had many close presidential elections, George W. Bush won the 2000 presidential

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_06]: election by the slumist of margins.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_06]: His election essentially was decided by 537 votes in Florida.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He won reelection in the 2004 presidential election again by very slim margins.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_06]: He won the 20 electoral votes from the state of Ohio with 50.8% of the vote.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_06]: The last presidential election was closer than most people know,

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Joe Biden won three key states by the slumist of margins by 610 of 1% or less.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_06]: If you flip fewer than 43,000 votes across those three states, the electoral college would have

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_06]: been decided by each house delegation since Republicans controlled more states Donald Trump would

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: be reelected.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: The presidential election may be close this time again, but it is certain that many other

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Back once again, Penned Lecture, Merrill Matthews in studio will take some phone calls in just

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: a minute.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: But one of the things that sort of surfaces with Daniel Ragnigan is the idea of an attack on

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: what we might call meritocracy.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And one of the books I mentioned from time to time by Heather McDonald's been on the

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_06]: program with us when race trumps merit.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And so there's been sort of an attack on meritocracy even when we talk about the military,

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_06]: but it also sets up pen of the other piece that I wanted to post here by Christian Snyder,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: very similar to some of things that Heather McDonald has already documented, that politicized

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: science may make us sicker.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And I want to put that up there one because of merit and two because Dr. Matthews,

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_06]: of course, is our expert on health care.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So we'll get into some of that.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But in both cases, part of it has to do with not actually believing that a person with

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_06]: the best credentials, the best skills should be the one that is put in the position of authority

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_06]: or responsibility.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's right.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And you begin to lose trust in whatever institution you're talking about if it's

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: not based on the knowledge and the quality of the work of this person or the

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: organization.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, based on woke ideas, based on race, based on gender, based on ideology.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the country begins to lose trust, lose faith.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And they ask for us to have a lot of faith in what they called the science or the COVID,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the buckle.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And people did because they were so afraid and because of the media just jumped

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: on it so fast and you had to act fast, you felt.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And so there was much damaged done in many areas of the country or the economy or the

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: society because we listened to the science without it's sort of unquestioning.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it's very true that we lose faith with these institutions.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: If they're not based on merit, if they're based on something else, some other idea,

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: some other woke ideology.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that I think we're starting to see that that just doesn't work in many

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: areas.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people looking at, for instance, airlines, they talk about when they go and fly

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: in their, you know, they're wondering, well, who, you know, who checked this airplane?

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was it?

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a person that was hired because they were a certain race or were they hired

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: for their qualification?

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just one example.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So science, I mean, what is science?

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It changes.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It science doesn't always say the same.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to have scientists who are good scientists and true scientists who are always

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: testing and testing their hypotheses and testing how this and the other thing reacts

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to one another.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's science.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the two leading incubators of our scientists are the universities and the medical

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: schools.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And both of them are overrun with people who are on the left and promote the whole

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: DEI diversity equity inclusion agenda.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Now as we, I think we've talked about here, employers are backing away from this.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But the medical schools and others have not.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So the medical schools are still promoting DEI in their efforts to try to get more

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: people in who look more minorities, more just a range of different people.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And that gets back to the, what are they there because they are the best students?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you have a lot of they.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Asians have done very, very well in the academic world.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're heavy in the medical world.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But many times you have Asians being excluded from the academic world are the medical

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: schools because they are even their grazers and qualifications are very high.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't, they've got too many of them.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So they have to spread it out.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, it's something that undermines things and the schools have still, the schools

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: typically have been defending these.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They've not moved away from these quite like employers are.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this whole idea, I mean, part of it is for opportunity.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for people of different races and you know, to be a doctor.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to make, you know, a little quota for the numbers of all those categories

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to go to medical school.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But also there's this high kind of idea that, well, if you're a black person,

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you would want a black doctor.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get that.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't agree with that.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get that.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think there are people in the decision making processes and medical schools

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and medical establishments that say we'd have a better society if we had black doctors serving

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: black people, Indian doctors serving Indian, whatever.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that, I think that just separates us and it goes against what we really wanted

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: back during the civil rights movement was, you know, more of a society that was colorblind.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually putting the colorblindness back into the equation.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and in, in, in, in, in, there is a, there is a notion out there that a black doctor

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: would be, would better serve black patients would treat them more equitably understand

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: their, their various challenges and so forth.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's part of the thinking that's going on there and it is, you know,

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: it's, whether you're talking about environmental issues, medical issues and so forth.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the progressive thinking there has just taken control even though, as we've

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: talked about before, for environmental issues, that's fairly low on the voters side.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All medical issues, that's oftentimes high, but that's because of insurance and the

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: softer drugs and other things.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's, it's the, the, the, the welcome is, has moved in to both of those areas heavily.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that happened recently during COVID was of course all the, all the masking,

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the separation from people that we implemented.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you had the George Floyd death, and what happened there.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and all the demonstrations and riots and things like that.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was okay to be out in close quarters

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: with people if you were,

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you were a protestant George Floyd.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And the scientists, they didn't refute that.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't put into any kind of perspective.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was a time when people began to lose faith

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and into those COVID authorities.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And that in other things, in that when the scientists kept telling us

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: things and kept telling us you need to believe the science.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we found out the scientists were wrong.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they did.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just slightly wrong, but really wrong.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So in some cases, a lot of that is undermined the trust in scientists.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So if the CDC Centers for Disease Disease Control and Prevention

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: comes out and says something now,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I suspect a lot of people would just take it with a grain of salt

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and may completely ignore it.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me just mention this new book by Cheryl Acconson, a former of course,

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_06]: CBS reporter, follow the science.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_06]: How big pharma misleads obscures and prevails and haven't read it yet.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And that would be the kind of interview I'd lived up to your

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Matthews to do and go back and forth because again,

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_06]: we were told, I believe the science trusts the science.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we got different opinions.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Remember when we were told by the surgeon general, not to have masks

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_06]: because we need to keep those and say, I'm not working anyway.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And then of course Anthony Fauci, you can't go anywhere without a mask.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And we found out that the distancing and all that she does comparisons

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_06]: with all-makes compared to Americans,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Swedish compared to Americans.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Just a lot of things that at the time we were saying,

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not so sure that's true.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I spent 10 years on the,

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: what was called the institutional review board for human experimentation

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a medical school's board that approves all the experiments,

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: medical experiments on humans that were taking place there.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things because you had,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe, 17, 18 people on the committee.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And you oftentimes, it's something being brought up where there's going to be a trial,

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a clinical trial on it.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And you oftentimes have doctors there,

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: very distinguished doctors going head to head against each other saying,

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: why I think this shouldn't be done.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Another I think we should,

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: why I think this is a problem.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think it is a problem.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And you come away from that saying,

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: you can have experts in these scientific fields who just disagree.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't mean that you're necessarily a bad cause you disagree.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They have different opinions.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: They're right people have different opinions.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet during COVID,

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: we didn't have much of it.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just down there's any chance for disagreement with what we were saying.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we need to take a break and I've got a caller wants to talk about,

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, what about the upcoming elections?

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And certainly that is my commentary today about that.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And what might happen in the future?

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So we'll do that.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But also a couple of the things.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought it'd be kind of interesting to see what happens with the cancel cultures.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Since we were talking about that the other day with Sean McDowell.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we have a couple of good pieces.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_06]: One will for Riley,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: what's really driving the birth rate crisis?

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And then, Pennedexter,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_06]: we won't have kids commentary.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_06]: So a couple of issues there as well.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So let's take a break and let me just mention when we come back.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be talking about the campaign.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's a good time for me to mention that my commentary today

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_06]: is about close elections.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_06]: But also we have an election central.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_06]: What we've done there more recently

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_06]: is we've added the link to first liberties election resource center.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Pennedexter, you and I last night got to chance to hear all the things there.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So you can go to our election central.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And we link you already to their election central.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_06]: We also have the Democratic Party National Platform,

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: the Republican Party National Platform,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_06]: a very good video on voting in your biblical duty.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_06]: And I just found a very good voter guide the other day

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_06]: that I'm going to post there as soon as we get permission to put it digitally there.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So if you're looking for good information to vote

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_06]: and you realize people have already voted.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, North Carolina, Georgia,

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: a few places people have already voted

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_06]: which is still September.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_06]: So I've been wrong on one of those states

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_06]: but I've actually heard people post and seeing people post and pictures I voted.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We haven't even had the vice presidential debate

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_06]: in people have already voted.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_06]: So we're in the election season.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll come back and take some phone calls and talk about the election.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_06]: All that coming up right after this.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It almost seems like we live in a different world

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: from many people in positions of authority.

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[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And now here again is Kirby Anderson.

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[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_06]: but a Dexter Dr. Merrill Matthews

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and let's go to Georgia first.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick, thank you for calling today.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_06]: What's on your mind?

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, Kirby.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you taking my call and draw a listen to your program.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Could you tell me where the Republican candidates

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that are running for the Senate in the House?

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well they have.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you should say where they stand right now

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: as far as they're taken control of Congress.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yes.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Dr. Merrill Matthews that when is a good question

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_06]: because last week you did talk about this

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and when I was in P.O. if you people were quoting you

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_06]: pointing out that if you were looking at some of the swing states

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_06]: even though it looks like Donald Trump could win those swing states

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_06]: it doesn't look like in some of those swing states

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Senate elections and I'm thinking Arizona and Pennsylvania for example

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_06]: that Republicans will do that well.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So what did you find?

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So when we're talking about the Senate outcome

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it looks like Republicans are

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: attracted gain seats and take the majority.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It stands right now the breakdown is about 50, 50

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and the two toss-up states being Montana and I think Ohio

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: are leaning Republican because you're

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_06]: in Republican's pick a West Virginia right?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe Montana but we don't know.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So right now it looks like there's a fair chance

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Republicans could take 52 seats

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: that would put them in charge.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Thing and that's leaving the other blue seats,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the swing states that have Democratic senators or had

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Democratic senators leaving them in the blue side.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So it looks like there's a good chance for Republicans who take

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: over the Senate the house is anybody's guest right now.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But again what is so intriguing about that is

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_06]: is that you also said and again I had people in P.O. or

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_06]: quote that back to me.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It's amazing how you say something and people go,

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_06]: well Dr. Muram as you said, the idea of split ticking

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_06]: ticketing isn't happening is what we mean there is a

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_06]: voter for Republican for President.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_06]: You vote for Republican for the Senate and I don't think

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_06]: either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump have what we call

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_06]: co-tails and you see actually just the opposite right now

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_06]: don't you?

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right yeah the five swing states with Senate

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: with a Senate election the Senate the blue state the

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Democrat is leading pretty handily and most have my think Pennsylvania's

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: little closer but yes the Democrat is leading I think

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: three of Muram's to mark not.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The Democratic Ohio leading in Ohio but that's not a swing state though.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I but he's a dumb yeah I think that's the one they

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: they're calling a toss up but they think may very well go

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes just as my tannit of the amount my tannit they've actually just moved

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: over to leaning Republican here in the last couple of days.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So the of the seven swing states five have Senate elections

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in those five the Democrat is leading in everyone in every one of the

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: facts.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact six to eight points yes and so the notion is can you have

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: would you have somebody where you're getting a Democrat Senator

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: by five six seven eight points and still get Donald Trump and that's

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's unlikely we might see a few of those change but I think it's unlikely

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the last time that happened was in 2020

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: 2016

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 2020 where a main went four Susan Collins

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but also voted for the Democrat that's the only state in 2020 that actually did

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: a split ticket for the Senate.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So you know when all this was starting we thought that there was a good

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: map for the Senate.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What's happened is it Trump?

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the reason that we at the Democrats are winning all those states?

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes I think I think you've got some dissatisfaction with Trump because he's

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: focusing on pizza and spread through Ohio rather than holding

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: combos feet to the fire on all the problems they have in the election

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: with the economy, with immigration and other things so it's amazing as I'm

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: looking at the stories how many stories come out one thing is like the

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: eating pets rather than focusing on Trump saying look at here's the numbers on

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the economy look at the numbers on on immigration look at the numbers on

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: jobs and other things of that nature where she's really really vulnerable and

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that she is not going out and essentially owning that she likes to shift the

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the discussion to the opportunity economy and how she was brought up in a middle class

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: income and other things it's a it's a it's a lost opportunity right now.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So she said Trump basically did say well why haven't you done this at the very end of this speech

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: his like closing arguments in the debate you asked about the debate earlier he said that

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: well why didn't why haven't you done this year in you know you and Joe Biden are in office he said

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: at one time at the end maybe a couple of other times he kind of referred to it but

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that was such an opportunity in an un-everything really because she would say we have to

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: do this we have to watch it when he did that when he mentioned that I threw up my hands

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and said that's the argument that's what you should be doing when she's saying I won't

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: introduce the opportunity economy scares me comment you've been there for three and a half

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: years why haven't you done it when I when he says I want to address immigration scares me

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: comma you've been in there three and a half years you didn't do it I just they just let's so many

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_06]: things go back to penis question will have to figure out whether or not Kerry Lake was a good

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_06]: candidate in Arizona you remember last time Dr. Oz Pennsylvania and some respects you have a better

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Republican candidate than a former yeah Dave McCormick who actually probably would have gotten

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_06]: in if indeed Dr. Oz hadn't been endorsed by Donald Trump. There's a way for his chances in Pennsylvania

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: he is down uh yeah a little bit not not much but there in Pennsylvania it is it's interesting because

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: so much now is focusing on Pennsylvania I saw I yesterday was looking over an article which said

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Kamala's got this inch we have Pennsylvania there's no way for her to get it without Pennsylvania

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you said the same thing I said that about Trump I you know you can play with the electrical

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_06]: map the electoral map for everyone's while they let you do that and of course you know we'll

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_06]: leave it to Mark Penn and all sorts other people to figure that out but I can't come up with very

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_06]: many scenarios by which actually Donald Trump loses Pennsylvania and gets a requisite number of

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_06]: electoral votes 270 and now there's start to say the same thing about Kamala Harris yes so this may

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: be the state that decides who the president and I've said in the past I say if it's a cure

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_06]: elections it just isn't Pennsylvania's thing well that's the other thing because they don't even

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: start counting some of that we may not know election night about Pennsylvania so then oh here we go again

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_06]: some of us old enough I'm I are youngsters on the other side of the glass don't know what it was

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_06]: like in 2000 and as he's a president was but here we go once again a real possibility that we could

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: on election night if indeed Pennsylvania is key to both candidates and it seems like they might be

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: then what are you going to come up with? They they they had attorneys for both groups will be

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: heading to Pennsylvania before the election ends and get to get ready to start the fight because

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: there will be all kind of fights on when when ballots were dated if that becomes an issue that

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: has been in the past there whether or not certain places voted in strange numbers and so forth so

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: we it Pennsylvania could be the Florida 24 or it could be something different just since we're

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_06]: coming to a break I mean bricks probably like okay I'm really getting depressed now a late silver

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: we know who he is and I've got his book a signal and noise and I saw his newest book and I guess

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to buy that when it burns in the obelk because I just think very highly if he's left a

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_06]: center but he is an individual that has really been able to figure out who is going to win the

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_06]: presidency oftentimes he's been very accurate and his latest scenario is trump wins and gets 311

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_06]: electrophotes if you trust what he's done so we may not need Pennsylvania to determine who the next

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_06]: president is but just imagine if we have in Pennsylvania what we had in Florida back in 2000.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Byron York broke this up the other day with with the net all the negative stuff going on about

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: trump and the positive stuff going on about cometerious why is she doing better than she is

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because trump has a lot of negative things with them also to another thing's going on and then you've

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: got cometer having the media and everything this is just the greatest candidates as Barack Obama

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's still there neck and neck and she's the one thinks that these assassination attempts are

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: helping hurting or just nothing I think the first one helped Donald Trump significantly I don't know

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that the second one did much for him okay and I think it's fair to say the cometerious doesn't

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_06]: help herself she did something with over one for the other day and most people that took the time to

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_06]: watch it and I'm sorry that after a while too much word salad for me said as you said did not go

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_06]: well and she was not actually being bailed out enough by Oprah so when she just sits down for

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_06]: interviews sometimes it just doesn't go very well and that was true is the black journalist they

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: joined us to that afterwards and kind of like oh what you were fine I'm not like we got what we need

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: so we will find this out but after the break a penidectors piece today which I thought you would

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_06]: appreciate won't have kids which I think parallels very much with this will for Riley piece

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_06]: what's really driving the birth rate crisis I put that on because I was going to talk about

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_06]: yesterday and thought no this is the kind of material that penid talks about me if they decreased

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_06]: fertility rate that is a very interesting phenomenon so we'll be talking about that right after

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: these important messages wasn't a joke or an anomaly when last December a video series

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: celebrating the dual income no kids or think lifestyle went viral young American couples argue that

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they're freedom to take European vacations and their ability to splurge on pets and bulk purchases

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: at Costco are preferable to being tied down to parenthood they said that for this reason they likely

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: won't have kids add to that a new survey from the insurance company mass mutual which finds

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it nearly one in four millennials and Jen Ziers planned to remain childless for financial reasons

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: of the thousand adults surveyed all of whom were in the 18 to 43 age group 23% don't plan

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: they said they prefer the financial freedom they'll have by remaining childless or they think

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they simply can't afford the cost of raising kids into lie the Pew Research Organization

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: published results of a study on childlessness according to their report when asked why they are

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: unlikely to have children the top answer for adults younger than 50 is that they just don't want to

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: 44% of this group said they want to focus on other things and 36% said they can't afford to raise

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it does cost a lot to raise children and the price is rising but why? Timothy Carny

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: father of six and senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute wrote a book with a title

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: family unfriendly how our culture made raising kids much harder than it needs to be

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: extras like lessons camps travel sports are enriching but not crucial to childbearing

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: some things we think our necessities may not be the baby bus resulting from our country's

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: below replacement birth rate has dire financial repercussions are society needs those people

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: when millions of couples make the star choice never to have children the country's future and their

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: own will certainly be impoverished for point of view i'm penned extra you're listening to point of

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: you your listener supported source or true back once again we of course have this very good piece

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: my will for riley what really is driving the birth rate crisis but this first if we can go to

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_06]: an extras commentary which you might have heard right now if you were listening on the computer

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and it is available to you if you sign up we send my commentary to you Monday through Friday

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_06]: hers on Saturday but won't have kids dink double income no kids and we're seeing a lot of these

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_06]: videos so peniteles a little bit more about what you've been able to uncover in some of your research

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: well there were lots of videos on tiktok last December a celebrat the dink kids dual

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: income no kids we're weighing in on why they don't have kids and they were saying oh you know

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: we want to splurge on our pads we want to go to Costco and buy everything to fill up our coffers

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and we want to go to europe and take vacations we don't see ourselves ever having kids

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and you wondered if that was just a few selfish people but then a new survey came out from mass

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: mutual the insurance company just came out and it found that nearly one in four millennials and gen zirs

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: plan to remain childless four financial reasons there are lots of other reasons but one in four

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: said financial reasons there were a thousand adults surveyed in this in this study all of whom

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: in that age group of 18 to 43 so those two generations 23 percent don't plan to have children

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: they said they prefer the financial freedom they have by remaining childless or they think they just

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: can afford raising kids and pew research also had a study on childlessness in July and

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: people when they were asked why they were unlikely to have kids most of them said we just don't

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: want to but there were a lot for finances and we want to focus on other things like there's

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a choice between having kids and focusing on you know your finances that didn't used to be the

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: age I mean even when we all had children none of us were in a position probably where

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it was going to be easy financially for us to have the children but our parents did it you

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: know they weren't the figured it out we did it and sometimes when you have to sacrifice something

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you find out the joy of having children is really worth it and it's a God given desire to have

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: family and so I think what's happening perhaps is that people are not they're secular they're not

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: they don't have a faith many people were seeing growing numbers of that and that may be behind

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know this prioritizing of money and things over over having kids it's very sad but and we

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: have a baby bus that results from that of course that we had a baby boom and we're members of

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: generation but a baby bus is not going to be good on a lot of fronts it's not going to be good

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: for the people that don't have children and their families not only for lack of joy but also when

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: they get old who's going to watch over them but also just for the country as a hold there's so many

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: reasons that we need to have more children born to work to fund everybody's retirement program

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to produce to innovate and to keep vibrant country going so it's very very sad that these people say

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that you know for basically selfish reasons that they won't have kids yeah the policy

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: implications there are that those kids you won't have that that baby bus you won't have those kids

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: paying into Social Security and Medicare and that those are transfer programs money goes in goes right

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: back out to pay for Medicare for healthcare services for seniors and for seniors retirement

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and so ironically the when those families who decide they don't want to have kids

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: straight ready to retire they may not be Social Security and Medicare able to be able to

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: go for them because you don't have the funds for that anymore and we're already struggling with

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Social Security and Medicare so Social Security has enough in the reserve right now to pay

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: to it about 20 34 and then payments would drop by roughly 75 by we have 25 to 20 to 25 percent

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's if you believe there's actually money in the trust fund because the government has borrowed

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: all the money in the trust fund and put an IOM IOU in there so the money the government can't take

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that money out until it puts the money in and then it takes it back out so it takes out a one pocket

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: put in another pocket so it's not a good situation having a baby bus no when other aspect of that

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_06]: is the fertility gap because Pinnon I've talked about that before I've written about that

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_06]: or wrote about years ago in a book signs of warning signs of hope but more recently

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_06]: we've had Arthur Brooks on this talking about the fact that conservatives have more children

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_06]: than liberals Christians have more children than non-Christians and I'll just use Arthur Brooks

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_06]: estimate that if you were to take 100 unrelated liberal adults they have about 147 children

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_06]: but if you took 100 unrelated conservatives they have 28 children so there's a fertility gap of almost

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: 40 percent and of course there's some reasons for that first of all liberals don't necessarily

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: value children as much maybe as conservatives do also liberals may be more likely to be pro abortion

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: and have aborted their child so either they didn't they didn't have a child in the first place or

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: they didn't to keep bringing that child to term will you play that out of regeneration it means

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: the conservatives are still having the children or back to the real issue just think of your

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_06]: churches right now if you were to say nobody's having children at your church people go well

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_06]: if you look at the nursery lately you know you go to a wild church you go to an English

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: church I mean there are a lot of kids in some of those churches so the bottom line is

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_06]: is that Christians still have a vision for that and I think pastors need to talk about that in a

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: culture that is now talking about on TikTok and YouTube and other things that hey it'd be a lot

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_06]: better not to have children I think this is one of the obvious implications that pastors and Christian

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: leaders need to talk about this then there was another call that you put up that we could just

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about for a minute before the show but there's this whole culture that it's more I guess in

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the high schools and colleges and kids that are getting their educations a lot of them

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: aren't even meeting each other to do and so they're not I mean you know the good news is these

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: high school kids are not having sex and you know having all the teen pregnancy and all of that

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but the bad news is they're not even getting together they're not even falling in love they're

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: not even you know taking the march toward marriage and having children because they've got a cell phone

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's all they really need they if they was such a straight it was a strange article because

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't thought about this but kids if they're not if they're not meeting if they're sitting

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: in places and just looking at their cell phone and you know you get on you get on an elevator

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and everybody's looking at the cell phone that's so true you I don't want to restraught and see

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: there are all the kids so we'll get that's where the churches can provide that because they have

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_06]: youth groups and things like that where you get them together get them off their cell phone

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and you did a broadcast the other day of an individual that actually went into a monastery and a few

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: things he took seven weeks to get away from a cell phone because he found out he was using a cell phone

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: seven half hours a day so he went to and lived in a monastery for two weeks with no cell phone

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: with an omnisch family for two weeks with no cell phone then went back home and stayed without a cell

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: phone for three weeks and he said he's actually doing better and he had a brain scan before and after

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and his brain scan actually improved that's how it felt about it well again this these are some

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_06]: articles penidectures article I think you'd really appreciate won't have kids but also this will

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_06]: for Riley one again just says hey there's some work to do and we can lament what is happening in

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_06]: culture but maybe within our families within our churches we can be counter programming to some of

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_06]: the things that are happening in that community so I hope that you will take advantage of some of

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_06]: those resources but let me just mention next week is our truth team and this is where we come just

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_06]: once our twice a year I guess I should say twice a year to just talk about the fact that we do indeed

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_06]: it would encourage your financial support we're going to have just kind of a who's who of individuals

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_06]: that will be part of that and as far as I know I think we've got both of you next week so

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I know you'll be here on Thursday Dr. Matthew here right away we'll have some other guests

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and our good friend Colin Lambert will be here helping us as well so first of all I would

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_06]: encourage you to find a lot of these articles very well written by the way by a number of individuals

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_06]: who could even penidecture and what Merrill Matthews get some of the information from election central

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_06]: and joy the weekend and of course we look forward to seeing you next week when I thank Megan for

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_06]: help engineering the program Steve thank you for producing the program see you back your on Monday right here

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