Point of View September 20, 2024 – Hour 1 : Weekend Edition

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And now, here again is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Back once again, we have in studio with us today, Pena Dexter and Merrill Matthews.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: If you'd like to join us, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Second article has to do with Joe Biden criticizing Mexico's judicial reforms.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought before we go to Merrill Matthews, Pena, you and I had the privilege last night of going to an event with First Liberty.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the people speaking, no surprise, Kelly Shackelford, about the attack on the Supreme Court.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And the attack on the Supreme Court has gone from bad to worse.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: From a low-level skirmish to an all-out war.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And so in some respects, it is amazing, as we're going to talk about in just a minute, the article by Dr. Merrill Matthews,

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that this has been something that Kelly was predicting two years ago.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And we're actually seeing the reality of it now, aren't we?

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: They talked about court packing early on in the Biden administration.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And First Liberty and other groups convened, you know, well, they just, they launched the effort,

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Supreme Coup, to inform people that this was a threat.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: If you take the court and you pack it so that you can put whoever you want on the court,

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you really, it's no longer a court.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because it's a political arm of the government.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And so Kelly will always say, and Kelly is an optimistic person, but he will,

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's very concerned about this.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That we will, we really won't have the form of government we have anymore.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We won't have three branches of government,

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: because the court will just be another legislative branch, really.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, guess what you can do about it?

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You can certainly talk to people about it, write op-eds and things like that.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But really what you can do, and what we have to do,

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: is we have to have a good outcome for the election.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you put the left into the White House and it controls the Senate,

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: then you cannot have, well, they'll go ahead and

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: either pack the court or have term limits on the court, something that will ruin the court.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, last night he even showed a picture of the Venezuelan Supreme Court.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And it looks like a cheering group, you know, just more than two dozen judges there.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And no decision that's come before the court ever went against the state.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So you figure out how it becomes a political arm.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: With that as background, Dr. Murray Matthews,

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: this of course is a piece that you wrote in The Hill.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Biden criticizes Mexico's judicial reforms even as he does the same.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually, when I saw this in August, I was surprised by it.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the head of Mexico, who we call AMLO, and I always have to look at his name again.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, yes.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes by AMLO.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Wants to, he's the president.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They've got a person from the same party further left than him,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: who's coming in a female, to take his place next year.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And he wants to change the court system there so that it is elected by popular vote.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And that includes their Supreme Court and also their federal election committee

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that sort of decides who wins elections and so forth.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because those are made up of judges.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So he wants to make this widespread.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the point I made in the introductory paragraph on this, as I say,

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: a leftist president who will soon be leaving office is pushing to reform his country's judicial branch

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: in ways that would undermine the longstanding constitutional checks and balances

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: so that his female successor, who is even further to the left,

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: will be able to ram through far left policies.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and that president defends his effort by claiming he's protecting democracy.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's a lot of parallels.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of parallels there.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That was the best line.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, who are we talking about here?

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about what we're talking about, both Joe Biden and AMLO.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we are.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But what happened here recently is that the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, Ken Salazar,

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: criticized what they were doing, saying this could end up being a threat to democracy.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And AMLO pushed back, saying, why are you interfering with what you're

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: disrespecting our country and our nationality here?

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I thought was just bizarre because is it disrespecting U.S.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: nationality to let millions of people come up through Mexico and enter the southern border

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: illegally?

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he's essentially wanting to he says we've got to protect democracy.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He says there's corruption on the court.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the Supreme Court has got to be changed so that you get people who are there.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, what's happened is they've been able to pass it in the lower house of Mexico,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and they just got it with the upper house.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They had to have a two thirds vote.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They actually persuaded one person from the opposite party to vote so that they got the

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: two thirds vote.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it goes to the states in Mexico, as it would here for a constitutional amendment.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And they have to vote for that.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And the majority of those are controlled by AMLO's party.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably a done deal here.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But Joe Biden and Democrats essentially want to do the same thing.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They want a Supreme Court that will kowtow to the administration and approve everything

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the administration does, which is essentially all Mexico's trying to do.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we would have to have a constitutional amendment also if we were to have term limits

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: for the justices.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But for court packing, which is just adding justices that can be done by executive order.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, majority vote.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So majority vote.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Our majority.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Majority vote in the House and Senate, I believe.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But Joe Biden couldn't do it now as president, but he can certainly set things up for Kamala

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Harris, especially if she gets the House and Senate, if she is elected and has coattails

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: or whatever, which I mean, I don't even want to make my head explode to think about all

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: of that.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of the other things I was thinking is, you know, oftentimes we'll see Kelly

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Shackelford say, well, we don't want to be like Venezuela.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I've given him a second one by looking at Dr. Murrow Matthews.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to be like Mexico.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: These are what are called banana republics.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what they're trying to do right now.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And Buddy mentioned the corruption is the reason they're giving.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: All this corruption.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in the U.S., there is not corruption among the Supreme Court justices, but they

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: are doing their very best to try to whip that up and give reporters all kinds of ideas to

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: write stories about ethics violations on the part of the most conservative justices.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, all that is happening.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, they want to they want that to be an issue, the corruption of the U.S.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Supreme Court.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And then once you get the court changed, then you're able to do pretty much whatever you

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: want to, though it turns out a Republican could come in later and change things eventually.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Presumably I should mention that AMLO also wants to shorten the the their justices are

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: term limited there in Mexico.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to shorten that Biden wants to impose term limits here.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And and that's so you can just simply you have a higher turnover.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So you have more people you can reward sooner and that sort of keep people in your back

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: pocket.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, again, this is the second article comes from The Hill.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But first of all, either they are reading off the same song sheet or at least Joe Biden

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and AMLO, as we'll call him, don't have any sense of shame or any sense of irony or hypocrisy,

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_04]: because basically they're both calling for almost the same thing.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both leftists and they both see the Supreme Court as obstacles to the things that

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: they want.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So in one sense, because of that, I mean, you're going to see them try to do the same

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: thing, but, you know, ruin the court, take it away as a force to restrain the legislature

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and the executive.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we should highlight what's happening to Latin America right now because

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: of the problems we're seeing, because you already have Venezuela, you have Cuba, you

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: have Nicaragua, which are all run by far leftist.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got Colombia, which has now got its first leftist person in charge there.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And now you have Brazil and you have Mexico moving in those directions.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So you've got some real challenges down there.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: What we thought used to think of as the Western Hemisphere is kind of, they may have had

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: some problems in Latin America, but they were certainly sort of restrained.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: These countries are now open to Russia.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They're open to China.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They're open to Iran.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They're interacting with those countries.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you've got those other countries moving in into South America and Latin America,

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and that poses a real threat to us.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You think about the leaders in Argentina and El Salvador, which of course on the other

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: side, but just a few of those and just a good illustration.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Just before I take a break though, I was just thinking about the World Economic Forum has

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_04]: oftentimes pointed out, and I think it's statistically accurate that you're going to

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: have more votes this year than ever before.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: More countries are having votes on the future of their country.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And in some respects, that's why maybe you're hearing so much about this particular group

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: is a threat to democracy and everybody's charging that they're the actual ones that believe

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: in democracy and their opponents are a threat to democracy because there are so many challenges

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: that are coming up.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And AMLO, as we call them, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is a good example of, well, my opponents

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: are actually the threat to democracy.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's absolutely right.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, even as he gains and controls and consolidates power and then passes it

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: on to his handpicked person, you see the elements of essentially an autocrat moving in here

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're already beginning to move away from businesses that were working there.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be a good situation in Mexico, and it used to be.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's take a break.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And when we come back, we'll talk a little bit about another piece.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan Turley.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I've got his new book, by the way, which is on free speech.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll hold it up in just a minute.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But the left's assault on the Constitution because the attack is not just on the Supreme

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Court.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: The attack is on the Constitution.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we shouldn't have individuals in the Supreme Court actually serve for life and

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_04]: we shouldn't have an electoral college and all that.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll get into that and the whole issue of free speech.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_04]: All that coming up right after this.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Some things we think are necessities may not be.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The baby bust resulting from our country's below replacement birth rate has dire financial

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: repercussions.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Our society needs those people.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: When millions of couples make the stark choice never to have children, the country's future

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and their own will certainly be impoverished.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We've been talking about the attack on the Supreme Court, but let's see if we can talk

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: about the attack on the Constitution.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: This next article written by Jonathan Turley.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we've mentioned his name before.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Those of you watching online will hold up his new book, which I do really recommend.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Penna, as we well know, Jonathan Turley is a professor at George Washington University

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: as a law professor, as an individual.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the social issues and things would not necessarily agree with us.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But on the issue of free speech, so well done.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting enough that people that have endorsed it, you have people on the left like

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Nadine Strassen, who's been on the program before, former ACLU president.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You have Bill Barr, former U.S. Attorney General.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: George Will, obviously a conservative.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael Mulcazy, Philip Hamburger.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I can go through the long list of liberal and conservatives.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We've said before that really liberals and conservatives believe in free speech.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Leftists do not.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: My commentary yesterday was about that.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we also had Lathan Watson talking about the whole issue of censorship in Brazil,

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_04]: as you just mentioned a minute ago.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a sense in which Jonathan Turley wanted to write this piece in the Wall Street

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Journal because he really wanted us to understand that even though there are people right now,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: like Kamala Harris and others, that are making the argument that an election of Donald Trump

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: would be an attack on the foundations of our democracy, really the people that seem

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: to be attacking the democracy and attacking, essentially to be more accurate, the republic,

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: are those who want to reject everything that we find in our U.S. Constitution.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I recommend the article by Jonathan Turley that we posted at pointofview.net.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I learned so much from that about the...

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I knew there were attacks on the Constitution.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about that here on Point of View.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We rely on the Constitution to maintain our religious liberties and our free speech and

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: freedom of the press, all the things we talk about here.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that...

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And when you really think about it, we also know that there's a lot of attacks on the

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Constitution in academia.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We've been seeing that.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But Jonathan Turley mentioned so many books and articles that are being written and put

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: out there lately, recently in recent years, that they talk about throwing out the Constitution.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can say, well, that's just a book.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But these ideas...

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember 10 years ago, you saw a lot of books about erasing the difference between

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the genders and you thought that was way out there?

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You could never do that.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And guess what is happening now?

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a real danger.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And politics, one of the things he says is politics would be reduced to raw power if

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you got rid of the Constitution.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So you wouldn't have the rule of law to rely on.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a king and we don't want any of these South American nations to have a

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: king or a tyrant ruling their country.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: What we have in the U.S. is a Constitution.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That is our highest law.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, the left doesn't like those kinds of limitations.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're working from all fronts to really get rid of it.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jonathan Turley, who, yes, he's a man, he's a Democrat, but I don't know if

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he sees the threat coming from the left now.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You see him on Fox and places like that.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You see him writing in The Wall Street Journal a lot.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he's making points that really both sides of the aisle, this divided country

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: should be taking to heart.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Pena makes a good point about liberals and conservatives will agree with

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the need for free speech.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the leftist who don't agree with that.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And just look at countries that are taken over by leftists.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just talking a minute ago about Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: All of these countries come in talking about free speech and the need and civil liberties

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and so forth.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And once the leftist gets in power, they begin to say, no, we can't have you saying things

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: or doing things which counter what we say because we are right.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's where the force and the autocracy and the threats and power comes in when they

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: have to stop people and muzzle them.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have people going to jail for speaking their mind.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the story time and time again on the left.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of the things I mentioned yesterday, and I'll see if you agree, when you look at

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the Supreme Court Justice Katonji Brown-Jackson in a case having to do with the issue of censorship

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and the social media talked about the fact that she complained that the First Amendment

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: was hamstringing the government.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was thinking, that's not a defect.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That is built into the system.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It was intended to be.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a feature, not a bug.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So I want to see if you agree because you're hearing even justices making those kind of

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: statements.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And that changes a little bit, Pena, from just the academics of people that he quotes

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: here, UC Berkeley Law School.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_04]: What a surprise.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Or a writer for The New York Times.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, no real big surprise there.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But when you have Supreme Court justices saying that, you can see that that's a greater

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_04]: threat.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And it brings us back to the election.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Who you elect as president and who you put in the United States Senate is going to determine

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: whether or not we have more justices like that or fewer justices like that, right?

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And another point that was made in Jonathan Turley's article was that, you know, sometimes

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: we use crises to change the norms.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And the norm is, of course, that the Constitution is our central authority.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But things are so bad right now, they might argue, that we need to go extra constitutional

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: on things.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to like, for instance, in the Civil War, didn't they violate the writ of habeas

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: corpus?

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, things like that.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So you have it.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We have an emergency now.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to throw out a part of the Constitution.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan Turley says the cry for radical constitutional change is short-sighted.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The constitutional system was designed for bad times, not only good times.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It seeks to protect individual rights, minority factions and smaller states from the tyranny

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: of the majority.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And the result is a system that forces compromise.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the thing is you don't get what you want, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not getting what you want.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the point.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: None of us, even the conservatives, we think we're right on everything.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't always get what we want because that is our system.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It forces compromise.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: People may remember when the Affordable Care Act was being debated and Republicans said

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: something about you're not willing to compromise with us.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And Barack Obama said, I was elected president.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm here.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was interesting because it was there's no compromise.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And so no Republican voted for the Affordable Care Act.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was you see that sort of leftist tendency.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that Barack is as far left as Kamala.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he is.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And we just don't know.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's just restrained somewhat.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But the when you start moving to progressives, the AOCs of the world, the Bernie Sanders

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: of the world and so forth, they will talk freedom and then come in and remove freedom

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: once they get in power.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me just mention just before I take a break that we have a lot of these articles

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: on the website today.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we'll be talking next hour about Pentateuch's viewpoints commentary.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Hers is on.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_04]: We won't have kids.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Mine today has to do with the fact of close elections.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But let me just real quickly mention that we've talked a few times about the fact we're

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: going to have a trip to Greece and I'll hold this up for those you watching.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the flyer that we have.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just thought I'd mention that I think we have about 20 spots left.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And so some of you have said you haven't said anything about that.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's because it will probably fill up pretty much on its own.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you say, well, I'd still like to know about that.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It'll be taking place May 17th to the 27th in 2025.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Penny, you've been to Greece and you can speak to the fact that that just is a real life

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_04]: changing experience, isn't it?

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can go on a trip.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that you're going to be doing teaching and visiting some of the locations where Paul

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: went.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is just I mean, it's beautiful, number one.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And the climate is good.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you go and you learn about what happened.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You kind of can imagine yourself back in Roman times in these in these spots that are now

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_00]: ruins.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you have a good guide and a good teacher, which you will have if you go on this point

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: of view trip, I think you will your life will be enriched.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're interested again, we have still some of these brochures left May 17th to 27th,

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_04]: 2025.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It is filling up, but I thought I'd just mention it again.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And I certainly would encourage you to stay with us second hour because we're going to

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: talk about the Army's attack on religious liberty, how politicized science could make

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: us sicker.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_04]: We have a lot to cover.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll do that right after this.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bible tells us not to worry.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And yet there is a lot of worrying stuff in our world today.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Thankfully, the Bible doesn't stop at telling us not to worry.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_03]: God gives us a next step.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He says we need to pray.

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