[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hour 1, Form of Video Hour 1, Video of Video
[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Live, this is Point of View
[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about, for example, some of the different generations, generation Y, which
[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: is oftentimes referred to as the millennial generation, and generation Z, sometimes called
[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: the iGen generation.
[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: We do a millennial round table.
[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We've also cited quite a bit of psychological research that suggests that the youngest
[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: generation, so-called Generation Z, are really dealing with some very significant issues.
[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm excited about this new book entitled Parenting Gen Z, Guiding Your Child
[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Through a Hostile Culture.
[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It is written by Jason Jimenez who has been with us before.
[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He is the founder and president of Stan Strong Ministries.
[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He is, of course, as you may know, a Christian worldview speaker.
[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's been a faculty member at Summit Ministries, co-authored a number of books that we've talked
[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: about in the past.
[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: More recently, we've talked about his book, for example, Hijacking Jesus, How Progressive
[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Christians Are Remaking Him and Taking Over the Church.
[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about his book Challenging Conversations, a practical guide to discuss controversial
[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_03]: topics in the church.
[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, Jason Jimenez is the author of this book, Parenting Gen Z.
[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So Jason, welcome back to Point of View.
[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Kirby, great to be with you.
[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for having me.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we can break it down a few things.
[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, who is Gen Z?
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you talk about parents raising Gen Z and their flaws.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But before we get into that, in your introduction, you talk about the fact that you and others
[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: find yourself saying, this is really a challenge if your children were born between 1997
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and 2012.
[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You're in the category of that.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But when we look at the impact that the culture has made on these children, the impact of the
[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: digital devices and the rest, we're dealing with a very significant need.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's of course why you wrote the book in the first place.
[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, as a parent of four Gen Zers and working with millennials before this
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and tracking with them and with the participation and focus on the family, Kirby, what we
[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: found is that Gen Z, they're an amazing generation.
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no question.
[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're very creative.
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them like to have open jokes.
[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They're very engaging hospitality, giving their shirt off, their back type thing, a lot similar
[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: to millennials.
[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But tragically, what we've seen over course of time, especially when we saw COVID hit
[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: our nation and around the world, this generation is very stressed.
[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of pressures and a lot of insecurities that they are dealing with.
[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And sadly, even when you look at the millennial generation previously that they've obviously
[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: been heavily influenced by, you definitely see a lack of Christian faith or belief in
[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: God among Gen Zers.
[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And most of them now have entered the college years.
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you're evaluating this generation and you're assessing them spiritually,
[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: religiously, culturally, you're definitely seeing a progressive nature that is taking
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: place within them in their process of politics, religion and even the familial status, meaning
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: they're not holding to a traditional point of view.
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that is so valuable about your book is worth the price of the book
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: alone is the eight core traits.
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We know necessarily need to talk about all of them but a divergent identity, significant
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: creativity sort of alluded to that.
[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This one, religious uncertainty, number four, sexual fluidity, ethnic diversity, progressive
[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: mentality, language sensitivity and emotional instability.
[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That was just a great summary of some of the things I've seen, some of the psychologists
[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and others that have been writing about this generation and you go into each one of those
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: eight traits in more detail.
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did this because to your point, there's a lot of confusion like any generation where
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: people get confused.
[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why are those millennials?
[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, well, no, that's kind of the Gen Z but there are similar to millennials
[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: right?
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You can get this back and forth sometimes, especially if you're dealing with people
[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: who are in sociology like you deal with and I deal with.
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to do something to help people work through the confusion, almost understand
[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the beauty and also the complexity that comes with this creative generation.
[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I came up with these eight traits, it was a way for me to even be more
[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: effective in how I communicate with them because oftentimes as you know, Kirby, people
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: run off the bat.
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This is something I was talking with the team that focused on the family.
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't want to hash out things that have already been speculated or put out
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: there.
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to be original but also in a positive light.
[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Something that people can grab ahold of and say, oh, this really makes sense.
[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This helps me better understand my child or it helps me better understand my child's
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: friends so I know how to engage them.
[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Now again those eight characteristics are very common among Gen Z but it doesn't
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: necessarily say that it speaks directly in the totality sense of your child.
[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is a helpful way to kind of break down the complexity.
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm grateful that it's helped you and others because certainly when you
[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: start working through these things, whether it's a diversity or ethnicity or
[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: even a language sensitivity that is perpetrated within this generation, you get
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to sense though, characteristically of why they do what they do and how they
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: think.
[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And when we have a better understanding without again assuming or having
[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: presuppositioned ideas about them, but when we understand their makeup if
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you will, it does help us to be more sympathetic and as such that we can
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: have more dialogue and again the approach in this context with parents is the
[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: more you understand your child, the better you're able to help them.
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the goal of the book.
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Well said.
[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Again I might just mention that this book is endorsed by Natasha Crane and
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Brent Cunkel and Jonathan Moro and David and Jason Benham and Sarah Stone
[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Street and many people we've interviewed including somebody who's almost
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: always in studio because she's just down the road, Kathy Cook.
[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And you have a section there where she reminds us as something that a book I
[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: probably promoted more than any other screens and teens, which she talks
[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: about some of the lies that Gen Z believes.
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Lie number one, I'm the center of my own universe.
[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Number two, I deserve to be happy all the time.
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Number three, I must have choices.
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Number four, I am my own authority.
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And number five, information is all I need so I don't need teachers.
[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we'll take a break when we come back.
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of this has to do with the fact that this is a generation affected by
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the culture, but also affected by these digital devices.
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And you have a good section in that regard as well.
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But before we go any further into understanding the Generation Z,
[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: we need to come back from the break and understand a little bit more
[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: about the parents who are raising Generation Z.
[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And you give us again some different groups of individuals that certainly
[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: should be understood and then even some of the kinds of mistakes that are made.
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you find this to be something that would be helpful to you or if you
[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: know somebody who is in the process of raising some of these youngsters,
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: some of whom are now young adults, we would certainly encourage you
[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to get a copy of this book or maybe just take the time as we go through
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: this today to forward the podcast that we would make available to you,
[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: to other individuals who would benefit from this.
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I know that as you're listening to this, this might be helpful to you,
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: but you might also be thinking of somebody else that would really benefit
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: from this book and it is just out and it is 270 pages.
[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It is just great resources to help you begin to understand how
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to guide your child in this case Generation Z through a hostile culture.
[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They're experiencing things that no generation in the past has experienced
[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and some of that has to do with the culture, some of it has to do with these
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: digital devices and so we're going to spend some time coming back
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and getting into more detail right after this.
[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Today is Labor Day although this day was set aside to honor trade
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and labor organizations, I believe it's a day when Christians can also
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: consider how they view work and labor.
[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bible has quite a bit to say about how we are to view work
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I devote part of a chapter in my most recent book
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to a biblical view of work.
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: First, we are to work under the Lord in our labors.
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Colossians 3-23 says,
[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you do, do you work heartily as for the Lord rather than for men?
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We may have an earthly master or boss, but ultimately we are working
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: for our heavenly master.
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Second, work is valuable.
[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4, 11 and 12,
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life
[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and attend to your own business and work with your hands
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: just as we commanded you
[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so that you will behave properly towards outsiders and not be in any need.
[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He also warns in 2 Thessalonians 3-10
[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that if anyone is not willing to work then he is not to eat either.
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The Proverbs talk about the importance and benefits of work.
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Proverbs 12-11 says,
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He who tills his land will have plenty of bread,
[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but he who pursues worthless things lacks sense.
[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Proverbs 13-4 says,
[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And Proverbs 14-23 says that in all labor there is profit,
[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but mere talk leads only to poverty.
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Martin Luther taught that all work can be done
[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: for the glory of God.
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: John Calvin taught that all should work
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: because they were to serve as God's instruments on earth.
[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: This led to what today is called the Protestant work ethic.
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's use this Labor Day to teach
[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and reinforce biblical ideas of work.
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[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Big one again as we talk about the book,
[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Parenting Gen Z,
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Guiding Your Child Through a Hostile Colors Culture.
[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And Jason Kemenis with us as we talk about,
[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: especially this idea of parenting.
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things I thought Jason was so helpful is,
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: is that different generations of parents
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: have actually parented their kids in different ways.
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I never really kind of thought about that.
[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I sort of intuitively knew it,
[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but you did a very good job of helping us understand
[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that there are different ways in which parents
[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and parenting styles have varied over time.
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll get into some of the problems
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: or some of the parenting flaws, but help us out.
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That's something that I thought was also great insight
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in your book.
[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I appreciate you bringing it up, Kirby,
[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: because working with these families for,
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: man, almost 25 years now
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of our friends, raising Gen Z,
[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like my wife and me,
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, we have two in college,
[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: one in high school, one in middle school.
[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was, you know, through the years you just noticed,
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously there's age gaps between you
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: or you see blended families
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: or the dad's a lot older than his wife
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and because they're remarried
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe she was never married before
[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and he is on a second or third marriage.
[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The reality is these are very common
[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and this isn't just outside of the church.
[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I remember going back,
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: writing the book Abandoned Faith
[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and trying to help bring hope
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and healing to parents and millennials,
[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: there was definitely a waves of regret.
[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And one other thing I found within the church,
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: working in student ministry and family ministry
[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: was there was not a lot of talk about the parents
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: who were actually raising millennials.
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The focus was predominantly on the child.
[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, that kind of feeds the nature
[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: of this self-individualistic, you know,
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: appointed regime of thinking.
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I was looking at Gen Z,
[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know what?
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: This is actually very, very interesting
[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: because they are being raised
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: by a very diverse population of parents,
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it be from single parents
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: or more multi-ethnic familial status.
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And so what I did was I looked at four common groups
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and I start with the older Gen X
[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: or even the younger baby boomers.
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And what you find is that in that generation of parents
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: they're more realists.
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: They're very responsible.
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And the biblical worldview is a lot stronger
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: than if you were to look at the younger Gen X parents,
[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: which are idealists.
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And they have about a 30 to 25% biblical worldview,
[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but they're very dependable.
[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not as much divorce as you would find
[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: on the older millennial parents.
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And those are more consumerists, right?
[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, feeding into the nature of our social media,
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: shopping online, they're very relatable.
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: This is when they want to become friends with their kids.
[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of discontentment
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: among this generation of parents
[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and less than 20% of them have a biblical worldview.
[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then the fourth category
[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: is the younger millennial parents.
[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: These are narcissists.
[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They parent out of fear
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because of a lot of the school shootings
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of the things that they've grown up with
[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: with all the information that is at the disposal
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: or the palm of their hand on their phone.
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They're very agreeable.
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And the biblical worldview is non-existent really
[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to this generation.
[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you start understanding
[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the makeup of these parents that are very diverse
[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: from parents who are in their late 60s
[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: to parents who are in their 30s raising Gen Z,
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it kind of gives you some insight
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: as to why we see the familial breakdown
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that is taking place in our generation today.
[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It is so good.
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, that is on page 37.
[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I would encourage people just look at that alone
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: because you can kind of see your parenting style
[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: but let's now, and again,
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't wanna be overly critical of parents
[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but you do break it down into control parenting,
[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: paranoid parenting and detached parenting.
[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You sort of alluded to that
[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but help us through because that is again
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of the range of some of the kinds of problems
[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: of the parenting that is taking place right now
[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that needs to be recovered and maybe reformed.
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, we say this as you know Kirby very well,
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not to discourage parents
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: but oftentimes it's very helpful
[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: in order for us to make progress
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: or to figure out why something's happening in the home
[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: or why you don't get along with your son or your daughter.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to understand that there are certain flaws
[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that are there.
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: As humans, we make mistakes.
[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Even as Christian parents, right?
[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: When we try to give our kids to the Lord
[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes we can interfere
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: without allowing God to intervene.
[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so oftentimes as Christians, we have faith in Christ
[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: but we become faithless
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to responsibility
[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: of what we expect from our family.
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And so in that vein, and again, I'm not removed from this.
[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: As I said, I've been parenting now
[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: for over 20 years, our four kids
[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's a lot of mistakes
[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and I talk about in the book
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but in order to help parents work through
[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: where we need to improve
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to start with looking at some of the flaws,
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the mistakes that we make.
[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So for example, and again, I put them in three categories
[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: because sometimes in our culture
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: where we have this polarity
[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: where we have these extremities
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like either you're like,
[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I talk about a free range parent
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you just let your kids do whatever
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: do you think that's the proper way of parenting
[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you have the controlled parent
[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: who never lets their kids outside.
[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the reality is that doesn't really help us
[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: move things forward.
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: What actually helps us is realizing that
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: every single one of us are gonna struggle in fear
[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and to let go and to trust God.
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of us are gonna do a better job
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to a certain child.
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Some other kids are more strong will than the other.
[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That is reality.
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But one thing we have to do is
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: in order to kind of assess
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: where we're at individually in our family.
[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's a single family.
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: If it's a blended family
[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: if you have mom and dad together
[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: who've been raising their kids
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: or they even have foster kids.
[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just talking to family after church yesterday
[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: who have a foster daughter
[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: who now they're going in the process of adopting
[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but the dynamics that that brings into the equation
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: has been very difficult for them.
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They were seeking for some advice.
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at parents who control
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: usually what you find is that there is a failure
[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to prepare their child.
[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And inevitably what that does
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: is it creates conflict between the child and the parent.
[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then you also have an area
[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that is very prominent among parents of Gen Z
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and that is the paranoid parenting.
[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, in our culture as we've alluded to
[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you talked a lot on your show alone
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: of all the issues that this culture is faced with
[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: with the downclined economic things
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: with the war between Russia, Ukraine,
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Hamas in Israel, school shootings on the rise,
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: depression, suicide among young kids
[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: even in the ages of elementary.
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: This can cause parents to become very obsessive.
[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I talked about
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is very important for parents to understand
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is what is known as hyper competitive fears.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is actually driving a lot of parents
[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: raising kids today to create more of these flaws
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because rather than trusting God holistically
[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: we are becoming obsessive with what's happening.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And so what that does is then we start avoiding conflict
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because we think we could just manage it
[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and be a control freak through paranoia.
[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the last one sadly is the detached parenting.
[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a generation of many parents sadly
[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: who come out of broken homes, they've come out of trauma.
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have a holistic family.
[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't come out of a family of faith.
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And as such, they struggle connecting with their own children.
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they become oblivious
[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and how to provide for their children.
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't mean they don't love their child.
[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just not adapt to how they can engage.
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they disregard conflict.
[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's a good way of kind of looking
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: at what is taking place maybe in your individual home.
[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this isn't to discourage parents.
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This is to maybe recognize some of these flaws
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and then once we're able to do that
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: in that parent or parents are very honest about it,
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that's when we can help them.
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So again, Jason Cuminis is with us
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: as we are talking about this book,
[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Parenting Gen Z, Guiding Your Child Through a Hostile Culture.
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: As it says, parents these days are in a panic mode.
[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: These teens and young adults known as Generation Z
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: more stressed, more alone, more confused,
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: less Christian than other generations.
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's certainly an issue not only for parenting,
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: which we're talking about today,
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: but how do we reach out to the next generation?
[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And so this is an important issue.
[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's if we can take a break and when we come back,
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna spend a little bit of time
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about some of the other influences
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: because not only are they of course
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: dealing with some of the tensions and stresses in the world,
[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they live in a world with digital obsession.
[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They are the digital natives.
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And Jason talks about the fact that
[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: have you ever heard of an elevator speech?
[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, a lot of us I've learned how to sometimes
[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: when people ask what the ministry is
[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: to try to give it in a short amount of time,
[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: hence the elevator speech,
[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: because you have to do that in the short time
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: of an elevator ride.
[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you think that that is a short particular span,
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: consider the fact that today's typical tweens and teens
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: have an attention span, are you ready for this?
[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Of approximately eight seconds.
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Eight seconds.
[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So kind of hard to get too much content in over eight seconds.
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're gonna come back and talk about
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: some of these digital issues.
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And then of course, we'll talk about the faith issue
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: because there's a whole chapter on depleted faith.
[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of that relates very much to the other book
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: that I would commend to you by Jason,
[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Abandoned Faith, Why Millennials Are Walking Away.
[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And how to lead them home.
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there are all sorts of resources
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: that are available certainly through his ministry,
[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: stanstrongministries.org.
[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You of course also can find a link
[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: both to his Facebook page and the Twitter post
[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: which is now called X.
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll talk about what you need to do
[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to counteract that, to build a house on love
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and discipline and some adjustments you need to take.
[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: All that part of this book,
[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Parenting Gen Z will continue our conversation
[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: right after this.
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The Bible tells us not to worry.
[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet there is a lot of worrying stuff
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in our world today.
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully the Bible doesn't stop at telling us not to worry,
[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: God gives us a next step.
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He says we need to pray.
[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But sometimes even knowing what to pray can be difficult.
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[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And now here again is Kirby Anderson.
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Talking today with Jason Jimenez
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and the book is entitled Parenting Gen Z,
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Guiding Your Child Through a Hostile Culture.
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll spend a little bit of time talking
[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: about some of the concerns facing this generation
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in particular maybe the digital obsession
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and the fact that they're digital natives,
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: also just a loss of Christian faith.
[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And then finally what can we do about that?
[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Building a house on love and discipline.
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Jason again I've already kind of set the scene
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: for the issue of digital devices
[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and of course we've talked about that with you.
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about that with Kathy Cook
[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and all sorts of other individuals
[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but there are just a few other things we might add
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: just because this is a generation
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: that has in some respects become so accustomed
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to digital devices that parents oftentimes say
[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: as you talk about in the book,
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't even seem like I can communicate with my child.
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean that's unfortunate
[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and the reality is Kirby,
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is what I do when I have sessions with parents
[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: or when I'm teaching a seminar
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and I have time to counsel with them
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to face a reality of why that is.
[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things we have to understand
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: before we dive into about this obsession
[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: among this generation is the parents have obsession
[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: with devices as well.
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to even having screen times
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and what that looks like with each individual child
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and I talk about that in the book
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: so I won't go any further,
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I encourage people to pick up a copy
[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and look at that.
[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But we have to understand that
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: when you talk to a child,
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: a teen or a tween, here's the reality.
[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: They will admit that their device
[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: actually brings on more anxiety than anything.
[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, what is the number one thing they do
[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: when they have free time?
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: YouTube videos, social media, right?
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So what we're already what they're admitting,
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they don't deny this.
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: When you have a cordial open conversation
[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: they willingly admit that I have anxiety
[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: because of the device that is in my hand
[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: which has become a part of their body, right?
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like an extension of their body
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: is creating a lot of these problems
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and they don't know how to stop.
[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: That is a real problem.
[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And as you said in the last segment
[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that not only has this is affecting their brain
[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of their attention span,
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: they also admit and the economist point blanks at this
[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: defining this generation.
[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, not in a negative light
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but looking at the truth of what we're faced with
[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that they are stressed, depressed and examined obsessed.
[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And so these high expectations that this generation has
[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and also these expectations that they feel
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that they have with TikTok and Instagram
[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and everything looks pretty and everything looks nice
[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and the fear of missing out kind of mentality
[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that's been festering this generation
[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: for the last 15 plus years,
[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that's all they've ever known.
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're looking at this as an issue
[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: that's affecting their attention span
[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: they also willing to admit
[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that it causes more procrastination
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and therefore their retention,
[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: their ability to comprehend information is lacking
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: even though we live in this digital age
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: where information's at their palm on their hand
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: like we said they're struggling.
[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So what we have to recognize is that we have to address this
[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: with a heartfelt intent to resolve it
[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: rather than it get worse.
[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And most parents tell me why I already gave them the phone
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: or they have an iPad and they have a TV in their room.
[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you what we have to do Kirby
[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: is we have to reevaluate what we have done
[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and giving access to our kids.
[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And some parents have to realize,
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you know what it starts with me.
[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: If I've allowed devices at the dinner table
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: if my kids are trying to talk to me
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm always looking down myself
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you're the one that's setting a bad example.
[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Good example.
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know yeah and if you have kids who are gamers
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're obsessed and there's no limits
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to what they do and what they're looking at
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're not involved in walking in through
[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: with a biblical worldview
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with the words of encouragement,
[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: adification and having face-to-face conversations
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: then you are literally losing your child in the process.
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, when a parent says to me
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how to communicate
[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: with my child anymore.
[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Well we have to face first and foremost
[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: as the adult and as the parent
[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: who God has placed in that child's life
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to take responsibility
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and say it starts with me first.
[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm hoping through the book
[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that yes we can recognize this digital obsession
[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but also take responsibility of how we have created
[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: just like we talked about some of those flaws
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: how we've actually created some of this
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in our own child's life.
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Well said.
[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me if I can move on to this idea of depleted faith
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and you do talk about the decline of Christian truth
[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you've talked about this,
[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: a decline of Christian truth among millennials
[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: in your previous book
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and of course you talked about
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: the decline of Christian truth among Gen Z
[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but rather than leave people hanging
[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: you then have a whole section on talking to Gen Z
[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: about God, about Jesus and the Bible.
[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So it does seem to me that there are some very important ways
[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: to learn that and you of course
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: have been teaching a weekly apologetics class
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: with Dr. Norm Geisler, an individual
[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that was influential in my life
[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and in yours as well when he was alive.
[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there are some things we can and should do
[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: to communicate biblical truth in a way
[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that really connects up with this generation.
[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the one thing I wanna encourage people is
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: even though Gen Z when you go back to like sexual fluidity
[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: where so many of them now believe that you can adjust
[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: or how you feel defines your orientation
[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: or your gender or sexual identity.
[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: When people think, oh my gosh, that's so disgusting
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and so non-biblical and people tend to get scared
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and they don't wanna engage.
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The reality is Kirby
[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is something that I was so moved by
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: when I would be on the road engaging Gen Z
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and having conversations.
[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, a lot of them were in a Christian environment
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but they're very clear that they don't embrace
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what we believe but they were very cordial.
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And I admire the fact that they had open conversations.
[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The reality is they wanna talk about God.
[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And the second thing we have to understand
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: is even among people who believe in God,
[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the God of the Bible,
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: they don't have a robust theological understanding
[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: of the nature of who God is.
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And so immediately what we need to be doing in our homes
[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm encouraging more and more churches
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm traveling teaching apologetics and churches
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: is we need to get back to the basics.
[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Because sadly, and I talk about this in my other book
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: when I lead into the conversation specifically about Jesus,
[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: if you were to take the majority view of Jesus
[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: on our culture today in America, it would be this.
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is either a woke teacher
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: or he was a mystical leader who was captain
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: to the universe and he had this self-consciousness
[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: or this awareness of God.
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Or he's a revolutionist which most secular professors
[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like people like Bart Ehrman believe.
[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: If you take those combined views which are false of Jesus
[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: because we as Christians believe he is the second person
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Trinity, he's the Son of God, he's the Messiah.
[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He died on the cross for his sins and rose again.
[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: When you're talking to the average Gen Zer,
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: they're either gonna take one
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of those three positions of Jesus.
[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you take it collectively now,
[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: that is the majority view of Jesus today.
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's alarming but here's the good news.
[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They wanna have a conversation about Jesus.
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They have views about Jesus.
[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Though they may be wrong, they have views of Jesus
[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and we need to start there.
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, most Gen Zers don't understand the Bible
[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and they don't believe that they need the Bible.
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Less than 4%, we did this study actually
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: with George Barna himself at the Cultural Center
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: at Arizona Christian University.
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you, it was so troubling
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: when we're getting this data back
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: when I was writing this book.
[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: When you think about 12% of millennials
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: have a biblical worldview and only 4% of Gen Zers.
[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: This is troubling and they have a bad view of the Bible.
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So what do we need to do?
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we as Christians who are equipped,
[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: we need to be proactive.
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to be a part of the Great Commission
[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to make disciples among this generation
[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and know that though they are spiritual,
[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: they're not that religious.
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But they have views of God.
[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They have views of Jesus.
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_00]: They have views about the Bible
[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're willing for Christians
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to actually go there with them.
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Most Gen Zers are not hostile.
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I want people to understand that.
[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Most of them are not hostile.
[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Most of them want to engage with a Christian.
[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They want to be argumentative.
[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Now again, you go back to language sensitivity.
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They may have different perspectives
[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and views of certain words
[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: in how we should be talking like this
[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to like we were of times of old
[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: because they call it microaggression.
[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that sometimes for us,
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: we have to kind of adjust and learn.
[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying compromise,
[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: but with great conviction,
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: we have to meet them where they're at.
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I believe strongly Kirby,
[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the more that we do this,
[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about God
[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and we give them the right views of God
[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: according to scripture.
[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about Jesus who he is,
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the second person of Trinity
[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and teach them that the Bibles could be trusted.
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That it's the very word of God,
[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: that it's infallible
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and you can put that in comparison
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: to other religions around the world.
[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: This is stuff that they've never encountered.
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: They get it from TikTok and YouTube
[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a bunch of lies.
[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the more we can engage them on that level,
[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you,
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: we can win this generation for Christ.
[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I would highly commend this book to you
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: because you have an individual
[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: that has done the research,
[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: pulled together some of the surveys,
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: has a background in worldview and apologetics.
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course there's been a teacher
[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: at some ministries and a number of things
[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and so brings together a lot of the important,
[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: if you will, intellectual ammunition
[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: about everything from God and Jesus and the Bible
[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: to questions about gender
[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and even issues of suicide and depression and the rest.
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So lots of great material that is available there
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but also some very practical ideas.
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So when we come back from the break,
[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: let's talk about building your family on love.
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's an acronym based on L-O-V-E.
[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're taking some notes
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: we'll come back and talk about what L-O-V-E means
[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and just a couple of other things about discipline
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and adjustments that you might need to make.
[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is a book, as I said, about 270 pages
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: published by our good friends that focus on the family.
[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Parenting Gen Z,
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: guiding your child through a hostile culture
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: will continue right after this.
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a conversation today with Jason Jimenez.
[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: His book is entitled Parenting Gen Z,
[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Guiding Your Child Through a Hostile Culture.
[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And Jason, let's if we can talk about
[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: what parents can do.
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the ideas that you have is build your house on love
[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: which stands for L-O-V-E.
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: L for laugh together,
[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: O for open up and share,
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: V value one another and then E encourage
[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: each other every day.
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And it does seem to me that we are talking about love
[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: in the generic sense but we're also talking about
[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: quitting if you will shoe leather to those ideas
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and giving love to your kids.
[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean if you think about any big business
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: or especially when you're watching right now
[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: where as we're recording this,
[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: we're in the playoff season for NFL,
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you're gonna see tons of commercials, right?
[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That have mottos to them, you know,
[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: State Farm and Geico and all that kind of stuff
[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know, Far-Ise and Wireless.
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all about how you're in good hands
[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know, we have a reliable network.
[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've always encouraged Kirby,
[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: everything we talked about up to this point
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: is for every family to kind of find their own motto.
[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Find something like a simple mission statement
[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that always goes back to not just your existence
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but how you are intentionally and purposefully
[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: engaging your wife, your spouse, kids every day.
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So years ago, my wife and I came up with this concept
[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: called love and it's a very helpful way
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in our busy schedules to make sure that I every day
[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: with my four kids go through love.
[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I laughing with him?
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I finding opportunities and times
[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to build into their life and to, you know,
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: do you have jokes or find a funny video?
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And play a fun game because we know the value
[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: what laughter can bring in a relationship.
[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And that has always been something
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: very, very important to me.
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be a funny standup comedian, right?
[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But you find ways that you can be yourself
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and be fun, be engaging.
[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, oh, is always look for opportunities
[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to be open about something.
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Just the other day before my kids went back to college,
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: my oldest, we went on a little trip in his truck
[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to go grab something that I needed.
[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I pay for his gas and we went to Dave's Hot Chicken
[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: which I'm telling you Kirby, we got it really hot
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was fun and our mouths were burning.
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We laughed about it.
[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was an opportunity that I was open about something
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that I had struggled with when I was roughly his age
[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_00]: before I met his mom.
[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And he never knew that story.
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And it just immediately caused my son
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_00]: who's 20, he's bigger than me to be emotional
[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and like kind of putting his arm around me
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: as we walked outside the restaurant.
[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just a great bonding time between father and son.
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So look for ways to be open with your kids.
[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't always think you have to have the answers, you know,
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have it all put together.
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The is to value one another.
[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is important, especially when you have
[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: a bigger family because inevitably there's gonna be
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_00]: a member of the family, predominantly the younger ones
[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: who got to feel left out.
[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And you always have to make sure that you put value
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to the human being who's made an image of God.
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The value that that family member brings to the family.
[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The family's not complete without that family member.
[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That therefore that family member,
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that child brings value to the home.
[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: They may not pay for the bills,
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: they mean, you know, but they contribute in other ways.
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So we always have to make sure that we're looking
[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_00]: to let them know how they are valued,
[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: how they bring dignity and respect.
[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And of course who needs more encouragement?
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: All of us.
[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And so E is simply that.
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Every single day, how can I encourage my kids?
[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll give a plain example.
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_00]: On our family text, on our group text,
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: which I know many families have,
[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when you have kids outside the house,
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I sent each one of them a prayer this morning
[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: based on my Bible reading.
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a way to call them out uniquely
[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and encourage each one of my children in a special way.
[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And a blessing is all of them,
[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: including my wife responded with affirming one another.
[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is a beautiful way of always finding ways
[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to connect with your kids.
[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So love, if you will, laugh, open value,
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: encourage is a way that we look to engage our kids
[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: on a daily basis.
[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's our motto.
[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a great way for parents to start.
[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: If they don't have something that they can firm up
[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: as a mission statement or motto,
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: they can, hey, you can steal our motto
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and apply it to your life.
[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee it.
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We get letters from people, emails from people all over
[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: saying how they've been applying love
[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're seeing a huge difference.
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So good.
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You do have some other messages.
[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Your influence is irreplaceable
[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and we've done surveys at probe in other places
[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: where we certainly documented that
[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and secular researchers have found that.
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Message two, your kids don't need an expert parent.
[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You sort of already alluded to that a minute ago.
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Message number three,
[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: let others speak into your children's lives.
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That is helpful because sometimes you may not
[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: necessarily be able to help them
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: in an area of their influence.
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say that they're really into car repair
[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're like, I don't even know
[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: which wrench to pick up.
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I have a guy that's in my church
[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that would come and maybe give some direction there
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and this is certainly helpful for single parents
[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and so you've got just all sorts of unbelievably creative
[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and helpful advice,
[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: but I thought just before I ran out of time,
[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Jason, let's if we can talk about
[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: how you see people using this.
[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This is of course a book I wanna put
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: in the hands of any parent of a Gen Z,
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but the way you've put it together
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: with some of the questions and things of that nature,
[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: it could be something that could be done
[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: in a small group setting, a life group,
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe even something that could be taught from the pulpit.
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts?
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're actually, as the book has come out,
[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: we're developing a video series
[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and we are working with a lot of churches this year
[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: starting in 2024,
[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: even my own church doing a parenting seminar.
[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Parents can use it one-on-one.
[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Each chapter, as you know,
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: ends with a parenting practice
[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that the individual parent or the couple
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: or in a small group can go through.
[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually do the audio reading of it,
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: so it was a personal touch that I brought
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: to the book as well to share my story as a father
[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: to help encourage other parents around the world.
[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Pastors I'm talking to and communicating with,
[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be teaching a lot this coming spring
[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in churches and helping you quit pastors to do the same.
[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's a valuable resource.
[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta say before we conclude though,
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the thing that was also important,
[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and I have a whole chapter on discipline in the home,
[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a huge one.
[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: This is so big and I wish more parents
[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_00]: would be open and receptive
[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00]: because there's a lot of embarrassment
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: where they don't know how to discipline their kids
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: in the home.
[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And so we spend a lot of time working with parents,
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby, sharing their stories,
[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: which I share some of them in my own stories in the book,
[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: but how to properly go about disciplining your kids
[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: in the home as a mom and a dad
[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and making sure that mom and dad,
[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: again if you're blessed with a mom and dad at home.
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't, I lost my mom when I was 15 years old,
[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: she was killed in a car accident.
[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So even as a child, I saw my own father struggle
[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: as a single dad to try to raise his four boys
[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: after losing his wife in a car accident suddenly.
[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And so fast forward all these years
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when I got married to my wife 23 years ago,
[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: looking at what does it look like as a father
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to be the disciplinary and what proper balance
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: with grace does that look like?
[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is a huge question a lot of Gen Z parents have
[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and so we made sure that we put that in the book
[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: to help encourage them to be the authority
[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that God has given them rightly and biblically
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: for their kids.
[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, chapter nine in the book,
[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Discipline in the Home and the kind of mistakes
[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that those three different flawed models of parenting
[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: need to address as well.
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So again, a book that I highly recommend
[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and we'll probably replay this again
[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: just so that others can hear it, 270 pages,
[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: again written by Jason Jimenez
[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and published by Focus on the Family.
[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You can probably find it in your local bookstore
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but we also have a link to standstrongministries.org.
[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a link to the book itself
[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and you can get it in paperback or Kindle.
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So Jason, always great to have you on the program.
[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope for all the kind of impact that this book will have
[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and as always look forward to the next opportunity.
[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby, you're awesome.
[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me.
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your love and your support.
[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We are simply out of time
[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but first of all, we want to encourage you
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: to find out more by going to the website
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: which is pointofview.net
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and of course you're listening to Point of View.
[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Where does moral truth come from?
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: According to 58% of Americans,
[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: individuals determine moral truth.
[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A quarter of generation Z says society determines moral truth
[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and morality can even change over time.
[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Only 42% of Americans believe that truth comes from God.
[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you
[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but I find these numbers extremely troubling.
[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It really is a crisis of truth
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and that crisis has consequences.
[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at society.
[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Evil is called good, good called evil.
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: People with biblical beliefs are called bigots
[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: or worse, they're canceled but there is hope.
[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The Bible promises the truth will set us free
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[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: in our commitment to the ultimate source of moral truth,
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: God's word.
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