Point of View September 17, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I am so glad you're with us today. We are shifting gears after talking a lot about the second assassination attempt on President Trump's life

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Kamala Harris is track record on foreign policy as well as accountability and kind of processing where we are today, 48 days

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm counting out from the election with Katrina Mosley. Katrina will stay on with us this hour

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But joining us is Pastor Josh Barnes. He is a pastor in the host of the YouTube channel, The Bible Explained

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for joining us today, Josh

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Well it's my privilege to tell you I was able to catch the first hour and listen in and it's just wonderful

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Wonderful first hour and I'm really looking forward to jumping into the conversation

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks we are shifting gears Josh because now that you're on I need to talk about culture with you

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a topic I wanted to talk to you Katrina and Josh about because it's in theaters right now

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Christian potential. I don't know if it's a Christian film. We'll say it comes from

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Not Walsh and he is a part of the conservative movement. He's a Christian and it's entitled

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I racist and it is meant to and I'm quoting from this Federalist article which you can read on point of view.net

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It exposes the weaknesses and what they call grift of the anti racist industry

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about this first. I want to do like you guys know

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually know what I think about what I'm seeing on this movie

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm definitely interested in seeing it, but it's a hot hot topic

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about everything from diversity and inclusion to EI to the race wars to a whole host of cultural issues

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That we've seen really culminate in I would say more divided America on the other side of it

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is something that's been sad to see the results of this being a lot of people feeling like they can't have open conversations

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: About race or they get called the racist. We've seen political parties definitely weaponize that term

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I want to be sensitive that not all all ideas are bad because of who they're associated with

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I would critique this article that we have on point of view.net by saying

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We should probably never refer to other Americans as our enemies

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he starts by a quote saying to know your enemy you must become your enemy

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like using terms of art or warfare which this person does throughout his commentary

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: When talking about this film because we're talking about race

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And we shouldn't really in my mind militarize that verbage

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: We should have be able to have open conversations about what the most important thing of all is what is true

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it is true that we're all made in God's image. It is also true to things can be true at once

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That there are minority populations in our country having a really different experience than white populations

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And we can acknowledge that and where is the room for growth? And then where is it taken too far divided us beyond what it should have?

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's I wanted to open this up with an open hand because they didn't want you guys to feel back into a corner here on defending

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Matt Walls or feeling like you should support him if you don't. And so I'm curious will start with you, Patrina

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean there's which of our reset already is so great and so true

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And really is my heart on the subject matter too is that we're all creating God's image

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, instead of asking the question, am I erases? Really the question should be am I loving God with a heart so mind is strength and loving my neighbor as myself

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And Matt Walls is kind of a controversial figure because he is someone

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Depending on your opinion, mind is that he has viewed a lot of hateful in that time and at best ignorant rhetoric about African American's all his social media

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's very even about the fact that there are different experiences that there is racism because there is sin

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And so sometimes when someone is a conservative implausion it doesn't necessarily mean that there are Christian implausions that there are a gospel influencer

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of this type of rhetoric which he displays on his social media, which is really showing the worst African American

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Painting African America that's degenerate and other things is just it's not helpful

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And really what we should be thinking about in terms of raising and questioning am I erases?

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Am I engaging in things that for me on to love and to do go works as Hebrews 1024 talks about

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And instead we see a lot of, we see a lot of negative conservatives when it comes to raises a lot of storing up of anger and sometimes some inner racism

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That is much easier to type on a keyboard and anonymity online than it takes to grasp in the real life

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think I think there are better questions to ask but I then am I erases?

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think is good to point out that the whole DECRT line up thinking is a scam

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes so many millions of dollars and also at the same time people can make millions of dollars saying the opposite

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And saying other rhetoric that first people up to anger and to assert ideology

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Now watch it a million air. You love people who are from the RT and DEI and schools and workplaces that millionaires too

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But really do you really ever see someone who is gospel focused and gospel centered who can tell you about their neighbor

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Who they don't even know it clear what color they are because they have crisis and and comment

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's really what we should be aiming for. I ask them if I'm erases because we all as I say

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: We all got a little RT bunker in it if we're honest. If somebody you may remember that show all in the business

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But we should be asking ourselves do we love to Lord I God with a heart soul line of strength and does that translate into how we love our neighbor

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Well said Patrina Josh, I'd love to hear what you have to add

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's just no way that I could say all the things that I think about the film

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I did see the film on opening day and I think this is one of the extremely rare moments where I'm going to disagree with Patrina

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is just incredibly unlikely and most of our conversations

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think that people who have the view that Matt Walsh is you know is rude and all that

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they need to see this film and I think that a lot of what he says in this film

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to find out they actually agree with

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But he does troll right so he does say things in a very

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: A sarcastic way which can come across as as rude but I think it just was a limited time that we have

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I would just say that after seeing the film

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: The people who are black in the film are portrayed very well

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But it is those critical race theorists who have to use PhDs who pretend that they have this incredible wisdom

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That he's making fun of throughout the film and

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I think there's more to be said about making fun of our if you don't want to call them enemies

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: If you want to call them opponents but if people are harming people in the country

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's good to make fun of them

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think there's a moral quality to

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: To degrading and to pointing out the problems with those who are doing harm

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: People I think it's part of loving your neighbor in fact

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: If I love my family then I'm going to be very vicious towards anyone who breaks into my house

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_05]: To try to harm my family

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: If if I love my neighbor and there are harmful truly harmful things going on in our country

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I should be against them

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: More we're going to break this down

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back. Thank you Josh and Katrina

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: This is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: During this campaign season will voters settle for generalities or will they demand specifics?

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll find that out in seven weeks

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Politicians are known for speaking and vague platitudes

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That generally they are forced to give more specific answers when asked by voters or the media

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this commentary is heard nationally

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I will focus on presidential candidates though I could use the state and local elections still straight my point as well

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on Harris talks in generalities

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She says in our nation I think people are ready to turn the page or one of the highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Or we need a new way forward

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Each time she uses one of these catch phrases and fill awards

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask how do you plan to do this?

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some specifics like proposed tax on long-term capital

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: A tax on unrealized capital gains for taxpayers with high net worth

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But specifics are rarely mentioned instead phrases about hope

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Optimism in a way forward or use frequently

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: By contrast you have speeches and interviews with Donald Trump where he proposes an extension of his previous tax rates

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And a targeted tax cut he wants to establish a government efficiency commission this time he proposes removing ten regulations for every one regulation

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the biggest criticisms at the Democratic Convention was project 2025

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is full of specific recommendations

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The Trump administration may not implement many of them and you may not like some of them

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But the 900 page document is detailed and specific

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This election will determine if voters settled for generalities or demanded specifics

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: American voters deserve more than vague platitudes and campaign slogans

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view

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[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Your listening to point of view your listener supported source for truth

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the millennial round table

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We're having a really healthy discussion about how to think about things like

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Saturical and sarcastic movies that are coming out

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know we have the M.I. Racist movie by Matt Walsh

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And is it helpful as it hurtful as there's somewhere in between

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're better to have these types of discussions than on point of view

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: There should be nuance in our discussions and dialogue about issues and front of us

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I think it Josh you raised a point that I wanted to tease out a little bit

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: If you all don't mind this idea of

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say we're talking about nuance here

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a category of the DEI anti-racist movement that did great harm

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: To our culture and society in my opinion, you know when you see some polling

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: After that movement where people noticed race more

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: There was more divisions between the various races and ethnicities in a negative way

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And almost I don't know how much healing it did or did it

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the ability for Matt Walsh to have a sarcastic movie or a funny movie

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Where is the is there ever a category I guess would be my question of

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's okay to poke fun at how extreme it was

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But whether any acknowledgement in the movie of

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Actual tensions and those who are hurting in our country

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know how to be more community minded or was the tone of the movie

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Which you saw you know mostly just to poke fun at the really extreme ones

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Josh

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry I had a problem there can hear me

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I can hear you I was asking you to tell us a movie

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear my question?

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I did yes and I think at the end of the film

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It very well he he he pokes fun throughout the film

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: At the people who are pushing this critical really it's about critical race theory

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not sure how many people I know people have heard the term critical race theory

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you ever actually study this you're going to find the critical race theory is that idea that pushes

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That every single person is racist and cannot stop being racist

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Since every single person cannot stop being racist

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We should treat anyone who's the majority in a culture as bad

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they're racist against all the minorities and they have the majority

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And they can push their their agenda or whatever

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It's completely antithetical to Christianity Christianity teaches that people are are redeemable

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But people are sinners but they are redeemable by the grace of God

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Critical race theory says you are racist there isn't a individuality because of your skin you are racist

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Therefore and you are also irredeemably racist you can't stop being racist

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: This is all completely wrong and it's it's harmful

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And one of the things you see in the Old Testament prophets that I think is really an even in the New Testament with the officials

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: When there are teachers that are leading innocent people stray into really damaging harmful ideology

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They are made fun of they are called rude sometimes what we would say in sensitive names

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: In order to call attention to the extreme damage that they're teaching is causing

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And critical race theory is the reason why racism is a problem in America today

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Racism was not nearly the problem that it is now before critical race theory became a major

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Eating and so I think there's I don't think we should constantly always just be lasting and using fat tire

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a fair avenue where then we can use from time to time to point out the ridiculousness of this

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: As long as it's as it's aimed at the people who are teaching this and leading innocent people a stray

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: If it's going on the street and talking to people who are fooled by this

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's not nearly as helpful as if it's going after the teachers like Robin De Angel

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Who he does sit down with and she does look rather ridiculous in the film

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well you know you know Katrina I and Josh both of you I like to say it's really easy for everybody to sit in a peanut gallery

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And critique each other

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not productive and so I do want to make sure we're productive as we round out this topic today

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And also say you know what are the questions we should be asking

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: What is a helpful way for us to contribute to issues in our society?

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You know my former boss Dean Nelson started an organization called the Frederick Douglass Leadership Institute

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And DLI go look it up supported and it is a black conservative Christian leadership institute

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And they are raising up so many leaders around our country not just a combat

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You know some of these extreme ideas but also I think to have a meaningful place in the conservative Christian movement

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: To say like we can talk about this and do you know why it's important to talk about it?

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Because African-American churches are talking about it, you know these ideas aren't isolated to the extreme left or to politics

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They've infiltrated the church and the body of believers

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know I've heard many, many black pastors say you know it's become an area of distraction from gospel

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not to say that there isn't real meaningful hurt to be addressed

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And so Katrina I would love for you to round out this conversation before we move on to pro-life voters and just help me

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: What are questions we should be asking and the conversations that could be productive around this topic?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, as I mentioned before I think the better question is you know asking yourself are you loving dog with everything that you have

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And is that translated into your behavior?

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But the second thing I would add is asking yourself is the content I'm taking in spurring me on towards loving the dees

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Or just spurring me on towards anger and malice and other things other bad things

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, there's a time and a place to set high for sure and there's a time when we definitely should be taking off false teaching and hitting that head on

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But as far as the general content universe is concerned, you know the things that still anger that still raises them on both sides

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Is not helpful for Christians to be in taking in rather I think it's better to go see the movie to forge

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I would encourage a listeners to go and see that movie which was produced by the Kendrick Brothers who also produced the war room and the overcomber

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean this movie was phenomenal and you get to see the races in their not races, I'm sorry, but you saw black and you saw white together in this film in different scenarios

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And how they interacted with each other was so telling I mean there were so many great subliminal messages all throughout this film that really shows how the church can make a difference when it comes to the issue of race

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And definitely have to be simply on race, it just the fact that Christ grants people together and by of their racial differences it was a phenomenal movie a highly courage, a listeners to go see it

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's a great. That is a great recommendation go to the see the forage and I'm not saying don't go see my races

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to have a conversation about it because it's very culturally relevant and I appreciate both of you and your perspectives

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You know many things can be true at once that we certainly have a long way to go for unity in our country all the way around on all of these topics we're discussing today

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So don't forget to go to point of view.net and read that topic and many more like us on Facebook on point of view radio

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: We are turning now to another topic that is very close to all of our hearts missions, ministries and various roles that we work in and that is really the pro-life cause

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it's an important topic and you can go read this article on point of view.net because it talks about what the pro-life voters are going to do

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We have two candidates, one is a candidate by President Harris who has as committed to the most extreme forms of abortion and death by abortion as possible

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And she comes alive when she talks about it if you watch the debates, we'll talk about the debate too but we've got her on one end and then on the other end we have a President Trump former president Trump who

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: You know appointed pro-life justices and feels like for all extensant purposes that he checked the box and is now kind of reneging on his pro-life stance and saying he'll be good

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: For reproductive justice and what's a pro-life voter to do you know when they have these non ideal options in front of them and what are they doing? What is the poll today? So that's the discussion.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You know we can we can have starting right now. You know I want to start by saying that what I mentioned Vice President Harris is

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Stance when she talks about abortion and the debate was the most natural

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: A live and passionate I saw her in the entire debate and that should worry all of us. You know she's naturally very committed to such an extreme position

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know there are public and party has changed a lot

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They revised if you are not aware their pro-life stance is at the national level

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Really dwindled them down. I think they kept a national right to life through the 14th amendment of the Constitution

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're seeing this gigantic pause on the right by a lot of Republican candidates even down at the downvalid at the state level

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Who are saying we don't want to be overtly pro-life and have bought the lie that it's not a winning issue

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at what has been a winning issue it's actually you know when governor to Santa's or governor Abid or governor to wine

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm stood really really strong even young kid out of Virginia, which is a very purple state during midterms

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: They won by historic margins after pro-life policies are passed

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm going to put it both to both of you guys when we get back after this quick break we need to talk about it

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Where does moral truth come from?

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: According to 58% of Americans individuals determine moral truth

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: A quarter of generations he says society determines moral truth and morality can even change over time

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Only 42% of Americans believe that truth comes from God

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you, but I find these numbers extremely troubling

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It really is a crisis of truth and that crisis has consequences

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at society evil is called good good called evil people with biblical beliefs are called bigots or worse

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They're canceled, but there is hope the Bible promises the truth will set us free

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And now here again Chelsea Yolman

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the millennial roundtable

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about a large voting block

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: A very large voting block

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you some statistics the pro-life evangelical vote or pro-life Catholic vote

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The evangelicals account for about 30% of all voters

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of what type of the aisle they vote on

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a large voting block

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And the pro-life vote specifically is significant

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: To the candidates who are running

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Not just because of how large the voting block is

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But because of how important of an issue it is to them

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you can have voters like all of us who we have our priority issues

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We might have a top 10 list, top 3 list

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But single issue voters

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a ton of them but pro-life or sometimes are counted as a single issue voter

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That is such a moral principle for them that they are unwilling to compromise or vote for abortion

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And because of that you look at the Pew Research Center polls

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: In the last 20 years

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_00]: For this voting block being pro-life is always a top 3 issue for them

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Mobilizing them to the polls

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes immigration is sometimes it's not

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes foreign policy is sometimes it's not

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But without universally without fail

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Being pro-life and expecting your candidate to also be pro-life

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Is a top 3 issue for this voting block

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to talk about it because you know traditionally the Republican

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Has at least pretended to be pro-life

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You know maybe you know some of the more and more neutral on it

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know President Bush wasn't overtly saying how pro-life he was

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And President Trump has a strong pro-life record

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: He was the first president to ever speak at a march for life

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He appointed the Justicees after all which he's reminded us of

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Who overturned Rovers' way in the Dobbs case

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And he did a lot of things through the FDA to help flow down drug

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Abortion drug trafficking into states

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But he has since that record

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Walked it back and said you know I kind of did my time

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I won't stop the FDA and I won't stop the US Postal Service from allowing abortion pills to be mailed

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He even tweeted I'll be good for reproductive rights

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I think all of us as educated voters can look at that and they try to win in election

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He thinks it's a loser issue but that doesn't help the pro-life single issue voters who are his base

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Who I would argue the candidate should be pandering to more than these media and suburban women

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He's pandering to are probably not already going to vote for him

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love for either view to weigh in on this we can start with you patrini

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's a very important issue that voters should be concerned about

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's okay to be a single issue voter if this is your issue

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think abortion is the greatest civil rights issue of our time

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the greatest civil rights injustice of our time for sure

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's important so what's interesting is that again

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Democrats have no problem saying their position on abortion

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: There's come out as very clear if this is not the only issue that's very clear on

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Is making abortion the law the land again and having a constitution amendment to

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Abbot and abortion country again. So I think with that you have to come on strong and unfortunately

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You know Trump has been then weak on this issue he has not been the top of 2016

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: That was strong on this issue when he ran against Hillary Clinton and actually has been kind of a progressive fly where

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He had first blamed the pro-life first for losing the midterm last election when he endorsed right

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So no he lost because of the right. Oh, not because of the life issues because of these candidates will pro-life

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And he failed to endorse a colife black conservative candidate Kathy Barnett and said decided to endorse Dr. Oz in the

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Conqueror and Senate race who was for trans and kids with gender hormones I mean get that he's a doctor he's a he's a

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: No better and then we get to the changing of the GOP platform and the things that happen in the in the platform

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Commitment that water down life and water down marriage and the lies that you can say about this is what pro-life

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Was one of the wise this issue to go back to the state where if that doesn't a number of pro-life leaders that has signed on to the

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Or star saying no we want to abolish abortion and we want to have a constitutional amendment based off the 14th amendment

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: The guarantees equal protection for life. It was never that original attempt to just have a state that goes back to being

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, three and half slaves have not killing your children have not and this has been progressive I don't know what we're going to see as we have 45 days left to the election

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Patria you I love what you're saying because I you're also alluding to something I think and I'm going to put it out there that

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: In my mind president Trump really understand his base for the most part, you know he under he's connected with his electorate

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He could one could argue he's built them for decades

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He was the first presidential candidate to not really need the media which is why he's the spouse of them and they did they have dispose of him

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he had his own reputation with the public through all of his you know his his economics or all his business dealing through his TV show

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Through his Twitter. I mean he they always say that he eliminated the third party middleman and speaks directly to his people

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I will argue with the exception of this voting block. I don't think he understands the pro-life voter like we are not transactional voters

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm speaking about happen myself, you know, I'm not a transactional voter. I don't you didn't check a box for me and move on if genocide is happening in my state and my country under the the legal and

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Promotor of the president of the United States of America

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how principally you can vote for that and now I understand she's so much worse

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why we have these articles that analyze both sides of this so Josh I want your input here

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think president Trump would do well to understand just how principled some of his voters are and just how committed to this issue

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also mean in on this I think he would do well to understand that this could be his moment

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean this could be he overturned roll after decades

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he could lean into this and own this with a leadership and compassion and say this is what a pro-life holistic America

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: For women and unborn children is going to look like it's going to be the safest America that pregnant women have ever seen for them and their children

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna resource them we're gonna defy and define to 700 million

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Dollars worth of taxpayer funding to play in parenthood and reroute that to pro-life holistic centers who give her real options and maternity homes

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And help her with employment and he could set this stage for a future that eight out of ten voters would agree with based on pulling data

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Center around moms moms and that would be more pro-life than what he's doing now

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So Josh I know I just talked a lot, but I would love to get your your hot take

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Well you're you're absolutely right and of course you're in between both I mean

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I met with some of the men from our church the other day we were talking about several different things

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And one of the things I said to them as we were talking about this issue is that I am proudly

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_05]: A single issue voter on the subject of abortion

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean if I was living a bit of a history buff if I was living in

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Not the Germany and for some strangers in a 1942 I was allowed to elect the next fewer

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And one of them was going to increase the number of Jews going to the Gulag

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And one was going to decrease the number I would have to vote for the one to decrease

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even care what their other policies are because I know what's happening is the murder of innocent people

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And how could my vote not go to defend them as much as a possible again?

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And so while it aggravates me to no end that Donald Trump won't make the argument the reason why we're this is a losing issue

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Because politicians on the debate stage will not make an argument against abortion

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And that you'll do it Chelsea and people like us will do it but politicians run away from it

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And so people don't hear the argument against abortion

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But when it comes down to me voting I'm going to vote for the person who's going to kill the least amount of children

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And a sad that I've got to choose between those but that's

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I do think just my impression is that's probably where most pro-life res are right now

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well I have some some a little bit of polling activity put numbers on that Josh because you know they said about five out of ten of the pro-life voters

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know are saying they'll still vote for President Trump but the other four are undecided and one would actively write in based on his comments

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But he still has time you know we still have we still have what did we say 48 days until the election for President Trump to I hope hopefully lended year to this voting block

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we can pull all day long. We all know pulls me nothing what matters is who shows up to vote

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you got to mobilize those voters if you want to win on either side of the candidate

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And we can talk about that when we take after we take a break in just a minute about this idea of mobilization, but you know certainly for pro-life voters

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: If President Trump wants to gain their vote and regain that vote there's got to be some promises made and you know from my standpoint is the national director of public policy for human coalition

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And there are ways to do that without you know dividing the country more on the issue. There's a way to say look if if you

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Care for women and create the safety net that's already in place through private nonprofits right we have 2,700 pregnancy resource centers

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: serving tens of thousands of women a year human coalition serves about 50, 45 or 50,000 women a year in our country

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: What could the federal government do to expand work like that and what could the federal government do to make sure it's not an option for women

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll talk about some mobilization when we get back don't go anywhere

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you point of view. Welcome back to point of view I wanted to ask you to did you guys watch the presidential debate last week

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Katrina.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay. I made it about halfway through but I did my best. Yes, I you know I think the debate was interesting it was our first debate to get to watch by President Harris

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Really I think at all I don't know that she had done much media beforehand

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I know she has since done a sit down media interview, but you know this was her first time to really get the opportunity to speak to the American public from such a large stage

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially after getting the nomination from her party at the convention

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There was there was so much to this debate. I'll just give my two cents but would love to hear what you guys think you know first going into a debate

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I always wonder they say that it doesn't debate don't truly impact the polls that a lot of media and voters will leave a debate

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Equally undecided and that the basis tend to be mobilized by you know, there's a study called the confirmation bias

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So the the study showed that people who watch something they agree with it affirms what they believe

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you watch something like a debate or two sides are presenting you know two different arguments for things you're going to naturally as a human being

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to just have a resonate your side resonate with you and so I think the exit polling really affirmed that theory of confirmation bias because

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Although most respondents to these polls said that Vice President Harris won the debate by a landslide on both sides

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It actually gave President Trump a bump in the polls a small one but a bump and so I wanted to ask you guys you know your thoughts on the debate broadly

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But also how important was the debate do you think in the grand scheme of this election?

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was I was to debate all of it. It was excruciating hard at times

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So I definitely understand Chelsea having to take early exit because I mean Trump had to debate now and come out of the moderators who only kept that checking him

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And really they didn't even do any fact checking they just say well we don't we don't know blah blah blah

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know how that goes. But my overall view of the debate was that this was the best debate that Trump has ever done

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the debate he did between Hillary was the most enjoyable this will look kind of standard

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: This will kind of stand there boring and you know they have these rules in place that they agreed to to have no audience

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And have them mic-muted and and whatnot so it wasn't as lively but it was the best he's ever done he didn't yell he say he stayed on on message now his the con the con is he did say on message

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He stayed on message too much and I've heard Trump in four different scenarios and he has said the exact same thing the exact same way

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_04]: The only time he got a little fluster was when they asked him about IVF and signing a federal protection abortion ban

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And and and and JD's position on it was just with his I was the only time he got flushed for other than that it was very moderate Trump very moderate not a lot of policy

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But a lot of rhetoric and leaning on the teeth of the past and as a voter I don't know who I'm going to vote for young and decided to definitely want to be a comologist but I don't know Chuck has some time to win me back

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He definitely came up very moderate and less policy that he ever has before

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So but overall I do with the polls that com all it came off very good stamp inspiring stamp as a visionary

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it gave her base something to look forward to finally because they were going to come up with her anyways

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But thing now they had this debate in their pockets to give people a reason why they want to come up for comologist

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very interesting I do echo your thoughts on vice president Harris her performance

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I felt that she we heard she went in for five days to prepare and she had

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like what did they call it like you would call it a move court in the law but essentially they had impersonators for president former president Trump

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That she would debate against and I felt that it showed she looked prepared she had statistics she had her talking points down

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I even thought from a communications standpoint after some of my PR training that she had very obviously some of the best communications

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Tactics that there are which are she the way she framed you're going to see my opponent do this

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She framed what he was gonna do even though he didn't even do a lot of what she said

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But that plants the seed in a viewer's mind

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, he's gonna be angry or inflamed or yell or do conspiracy theories that pre-empts and frames are opponent

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean she really I thought knocked it out of the park what was so interesting to me that that was in spite of that her performance

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that people liked her any better who might have been media and voters because you he got a two point bump in the poll after the debate

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought wow, you can be intelligent and well spoken and on point and tell compassionate stories

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is other PR 101

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Which he didn't do any of those things and you should have been more prepared in my opinion for questions

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He thought he was gonna be getting and at the end of the day

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know that maybe she resonated as likable to wash I would love to get your take

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think to agree with the with the folks you say that this was basically a giant missed opportunity for Trump

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that yeah, I thought he did really well maybe in the first half of the debate and then kind of got a little sidetracked on eating cats

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But he was he had a I think it was a great missed opportunity because the one thing that Kamala

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Is the only reason that she's has any kind of good polling at all is because people have no idea what she stands for

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And when people don't know a can get they tend to fill in the blanks with optimism. Oh, I think she's for what I want on this and I think she's for what I want on that

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And I know Trump is against what I want on you know, yeah, that's why you see

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: So what he needed to do was define Kamala

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Harris that like that's the goal really into debate like that and he did not do that very well

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: He he throughout statements like those she's Joe Biden. She's this but he didn't give any specifics and and of course the moderators didn't make or defend anything at all

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was again, it was difficult for Trump, but I missed opportunity. I really think what what needs to happen between now and the election day is for people to say who Kamala really is

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And once they see what she actually stands for every time she makes a policy statement, she goes down in the polls. So interesting. I you know Josh, I don't know that her that the Democrat based probably cares that

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I said was in a great out cry even about how she became the nominee. I think the message from her. I thought I heard loud and clear which is anybody but Trump, you know vice president Harris really that was her big thing is anybody but this guy

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we think you know I'll end with you Josh last quick question. The Taylor Swift is going to help vice president Harris out that much or will that voter base not really show up

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean Taylor Swift certainly doesn't help Trump's by by endorsing Kamala Harris, but look I don't know if there's a whole lot of voters who like Taylor Swift who aren't already voting Kamala

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, maybe but I don't see it making a massive difference. Well, thank you for that. I know that about 400,000 people went to vote.gov after her endorsement, but again, will they show up? We have yet to see it. I just appreciate you both so much for your time today

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget to go follow like Patrina Mosley what's your handle on Twitter patrina is patrera P Mosley

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Patrina P Mosley, she's the founder of PPM consulting. We so appreciate you being with us today patrina and Josh where can our listeners go to support you

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