Point of View September 13, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a report on the

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me just mention that many of the articles we've been talking about are on the website.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: If you'd like to know more about Dr. Merrill Matthews or Keisha Russell, you can click

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: on their viewpoints.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Commentary by Pennadexter, South Dakota's pivotal battle we'll get to before the

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: end of this hour.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But let me also point you to a few other things.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: We have the video, Voting Your Biblical Duty.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Very good piece that comes from our friends at Coral Ridge Presbyterian.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: If you go to Election Central, you're going to notice that we have not only added the Democratic

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: National Party platform, but the Republican National Party platform and a link to First

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Liberty's Election Resource Center, which also includes one of the questions I still

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: receive from time to time.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is can a pastor even talk about these issues, even do an election sermon

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: or those kinds of things?

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Keisha, the answer is yes.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And so those are resources that are available.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We have my Importance of Voting booklet that is available now.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You have received it if you are actually one of our Truth Team members, but you

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: can click on that and receive it as a PDF or even in the mail.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to start loading up the voter guides.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw the voter guide the other day for Alaska, but a lot of those are just for

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_05]: primaries and we will be loading the ones that we have, as many as we can.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And you can go to the website, which is at pointofview.net right beneath it.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me just mention next week I will be doing a live broadcast from Peoria,

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Illinois on Monday.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: There will be a Millennial Roundtable on Tuesday.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Mero Matthews will be here Wednesday.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I know you've got a number of individuals.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Dan Pill is coming to talk about the tax proposals in for both Harris and for

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Trump, and they're changing frequently as we find out.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: His latest thing is he doesn't want to tax overtime pay.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So we've got a number.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And no tips and all that.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No tips.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And they want to take the taxes off Social Security and Medicare, Social

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Security anyway, because if you're on Social Security, you have to pay taxes

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: on that money, which is already it's a tax.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You're having to pay taxes on your tax.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So I like that notion, but it does plug a hole in the federal government

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So again, all those things are available on the website and you'll be able to

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: hear next week.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But since I was mentioning between Monday when I'm doing the broadcast and

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_05]: then Tuesday, we actually have a meet and greet.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually it's a lunch.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It is free.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It is in Peoria.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually it's in Washington, Illinois, but it's the five points event center.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: If you have not already said that you were coming, please tell us because

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing worse than having people show up and not make a reservation.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a reservation.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's free.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be there on Tuesday, September 17th, and you'll have a chance to meet people

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_05]: from the various radio stations.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'll certainly have a chance to speak to you as well.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So take the time to visit some of those websites indeed.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But Dr.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Mayor Matthews, one of the other articles we've posted what evangelicals

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_05]: for Harris gets terribly wrong.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And we haven't really talked about this, but there is a group called

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Evangelicals for Biden that now has just certainly morphed into

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Evangelicals for Harris.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is evangelical Christians who say they support, um,

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Kamala Harris.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: What did you find out?

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe they said, they said they've got something like 200,000 who have

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: signed onto that now, but they go through and they explained that she is,

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: uh, what they say in there is she is a faithful Christian.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm quoting from it that her, uh, her government programs are quote,

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: are rooted in principles that align closely with the evangelical Christians

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: faith and values.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she goes on quoting her saying, uh, I can trace my belief in

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the importance of public service back to learning the parable of the good

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Samaritan and other biblical teachings about looking out for our neighbors.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, and incidentally I ran across this because the NPR program here

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and now did a segment on this and they're, they're quoting some of the

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: people who were aligned with this and saying, well, the reason I'm supporting

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: hers because she believes in the good Samaritan, the good Samaritan helps

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: somebody and that's what she wants to do.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And my point is the good Samaritan did come by and help somebody, but

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: he used his own resources and his own time to try to help somebody.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't come up and say, well, I've got to run to the palace and get

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Herod to pass Herod care so we can have government health insurance for

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone that didn't say it didn't go to the, uh, uh, to the Romans

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and say, you need to have a tax subsidy for everybody who buys a home here

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: so that this poor person can go back to his home rather than having

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to be at this end, this impersonal end.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is a, this is a trend we typically see is that if somebody,

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: if a liberal comes up and says, I want to take a lot of taxpayer

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: money and give it out to people that they try to equate that with

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: a Christian's obligation to help the poor, but that obligation

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: is on individuals.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It is not on the government.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, I talk a lot about this in my upcoming book, but Christians

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think are deceived by what compassion really is.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the reason why they are assuming some of these

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: policies are compassionate when in fact, they are not, um, many of

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: them are, I think immoral and certainly not wise at all.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you look at the Bible's view of money and earning money

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and even economics, you cannot look at a plan like that and

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: say that it's Christian.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think a lot of Christians have, I'll give you an example.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching a video online of the self-proclaimed pastor female

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: talking about how, what Jesus would say about abortion, right?

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And saying that this is the compassionate things to do and,

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: uh, quote bluster those who've had an abortion.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's quite deceptive and disgusting, but so many

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Christians will adopt it because they are confused about what

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: compassion really is.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Compassion does not mean you lie to people about the truth.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I encourage people to go to the article because I have a link

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to the tax form, tax forms of both Barack Obama and

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I love this.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I love this.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember writing about this back in the, uh, back in the early 2000s

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: when Barack Obama and his wife were making sometimes 300, $350,000 and

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_04]: their total, their total donations to charity in a given year was maybe

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: $1,300, $1,400.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And that apparently included to Jeremiah Wright's church.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And with Kamala Harris, you have her making a point.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: She was still a single girl, a single lady making a pretty decent income

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: as, um, attorney general and as, uh, uh, and for three or four years,

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: she gave away that she has nothing on her tax form, no charity at all,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: none whatsoever.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And so she's very generous with my money and your money.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: She is not generous with her money at all.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, since we were talking about your book, I'll mention my latest one here.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've got chapters on a view of capitalism and socialism.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And I even have a section here.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't the Bible teach socialism because people look at acts five

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and say, well, you know, uh, indeed they were in trouble because

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: they didn't give their all.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course the whole issue of the good Samaritan, the

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: widows might and giving and generosity and the rest.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: So there are some great resources, but if nothing else, the evangelicals

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: for Harris, as you said, get the whole thing terribly wrong.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And most of it has to do with the fact that yes, there's a wonderful

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_05]: story of the good Samaritan who voluntarily used his time and his

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: money to make a difference.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Didn't necessarily call for a Herod tax or something of that nature.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just in the responsibility that Jesus puts it on us as

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: individuals, our corporate as the church, but not the government.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, if you have been hearing about that, I think this two

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: page piece by Dr.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Muriel Matthews, of course you can go back to the original in

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the Hill is certainly the case.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get to another one by Dr.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Muriel Matthews when we come back.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put Keisha on the spot because we were talking the other

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_05]: day with Jonathan signs about this testimony in front of the school

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_05]: board, the state board of education.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And she's been able to give that testimony.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll come back and talk with her right after this.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we have idols today, but rarely are they in the form of

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: carved statues and found in religious shrines, a study by life way research

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: asked Protestant pastors in this country, what they felt were modern

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: day idols, two thirds of the pastors believe that comfort is a desire that

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Christians have made into an idol.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: A majority also reported that control or security money and approval

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: are idols that have significant influence on their congregations.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: They were also asked to choose the potential idol with the most

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: sway over people in their churches.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: These pastors again, pointed to comfort and control or security

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: as the most important Scott McConnell serves as the executive

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_05]: director of life way research.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_05]: He says it's easy to think those in the Christian churches have

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: chosen their God and are faithful to him, but he also noted that

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: pastors quickly acknowledge how divided their congregations,

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: allegiances can be.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: These gods don't have a physical shrine, but they compete for the hearts of Christians.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: There were other modern day idols that were reported by many pastors,

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: but not a majority of them.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Fewer said that success or social influence were idols in their

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: congregation, even lower on the list were political power and sex or romantic love.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_05]: One interesting statistic was the fact that a smaller percentage of pastors

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: said that none of these idols had an influence in their churches.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Differences in age and education were also relevant.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Younger pastors, for example, were more likely to say that money is an

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: idol in the church while more educated pastors pointed to both money and control.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're a pastor or a Bible fellowship teacher, you need to look at

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: this survey and consider what teaching you want to bring to this

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: issue of modern day idols.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: For a free booklet on a biblical view of genetic engineering, go to

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_06]: viewpoints.info slash genetic engineering, viewpoints.info slash genetic engineering.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_06]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Back once again, if we can for just a few minutes, talk about this

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: issue of education, which is really big and Keisha Russell is really

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: brings a lot to the table because she's been a teacher.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Now she's a lawyer.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And the other day when we were talking with Jonathan Sines, of course

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: he's having his conference today and tomorrow and just kind of a who's who

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: of individuals that will be there speaking.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: We also talked about the fact that there was testimony before the state

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: board of education on some of the curriculum that would allow for the

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: teaching of the Bible, not teaching the Bible, teaching about it,

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_05]: teaching the history.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And at the time I quoted some of the people that were upset and it's

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: hard to believe this, that the particular curriculum mentioned that

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Martin Luther King Jr.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_05]: was a pastor and a Christian and was upset that they actually quotes

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: from the New Testament without challenging the New Testament,

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: because then kids would actually think the New Testament is historical.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I just thought that was important because as we've pointed out

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: before, we broadcast in 40 different states and you may not be in the

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: state of Texas, but you need to pay attention to what happens in Texas

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: because Texas actually buys more textbooks than any other state.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And so oftentimes publishers want to make sure that what they have in

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Texas is then available for other states.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I come to find out when I ran into Keisha just before we started

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the program, she actually gave testimony in that regard.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And that I think is an important issue because there are certain

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: individuals that are absolutely convinced that the constitution demands

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a separation of church and state and that religion even taught in the

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_05]: public schools, even teaching about religion is unconstitutional.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure you set them straight.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, think about this is these are instructional materials

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: created by the state for K through five reading program.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Some there are some passages out of the Bible that they want children

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: to study, for example, the passage of the good Samaritan.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And talking about what that passage is actually about and getting children

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: to look at that passage and learn values and things like that from it.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just biblical passages.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Passages, obviously we look at the letter from Birmingham jail you mentioned

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of other things, but they are voluntary instructional materials

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that teachers can use if they want to.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So keep that in mind as I tell you about some of the just rabid

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: animosity that I experienced at that meeting and that I saw from people,

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: not just parents, but teachers who are up there saying that this is

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: unconstitutional and it's a violation of the quote, you know, separation

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: of church and state, whatever that means anymore.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really hard to watch because these are people who are

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: teaching our art, the next generation, and they don't know what the

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: constitution says, they don't know what is required of them and teaching

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: some of this material.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And while I understand that some of the jurisprudence may be difficult, it

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: certainly behooves a school district or state to make sure that their own

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: personnel understand the First Amendment in the education context.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was totally missing from the conversations.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But my general, you know, counter argument for a lot of the questions

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: when they say, well, it's exclusionary for you to talk about Christians

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because the students are going to think that the only way you can be a more

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: person is if you're a Christian.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, my rebuttal was no, that is talking about this person's

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: motivation for their behavior.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't only mean that a Christian can be moral, but there's

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: no getting around that we are based, the country was founded on a

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Christian foundation, the 10 commandments are hanging up in the

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: U S Supreme Court right now.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's important for students to understand that.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of the problems we're facing right now are because

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: students don't understand that.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and we were talking to the other day about one of these individuals who

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: said that he actually went through and did a flesh study of the reading level

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and the writing level, I guess it'd be a better way to say it, of the

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: inaugural addresses.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was pointing out that up until fairly recently, they were at about

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the 12th grade level and the more recent ones are like the eighth grade

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_05]: level, seventh grade level.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was saying, you know, does that not just say that we have dumbed

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: down society and I, for those of us a little bit older, you might remember

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Jay Leno's and Jay walking or now more recently, Jesse waters and

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: water's world going out and asking questions about, can you name one of

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: the rights of the first amendment?

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And do not even getting a look of even what the first amendment is

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: asking who the first president is.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And they couldn't tell you that not knowing that the phrase separation church

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and state is not in the constitution.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And then when you hear some of these teachers and some of the people

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: testifying on the other side of you, you say we've got a lot of

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: education to do, don't we?

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty scary that, you know, a lot of the people who are in

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: charge of this process are unaware.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but we're hoping even at first Liberty, we are experts in the

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: area of the establishment clause.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We won the last four cases at the U S Supreme court on these issues.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we are the best people to talk about this issue.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was honored to be there and I'm hoping that, you know, this

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: curriculum passes and the board will vote in November and I know it'll

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: be beneficial for Texas students.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You talked about one of the cases you won, which was up in Maine.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it was also one in Montana.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And these were about the idea of school choice.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And each year I get to go up to new England, because sometimes I'm speaking

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: in York either at a word of life or camp of the woods or something like that.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And we always go to Vermont and sometimes go up to Maine, but it seems

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_05]: like the people in Maine and the legislature in Maine haven't necessarily

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: been able to read the Supreme court decision because they are still trying

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: to prevent Christians from going to Christian schools, right?

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So they are, they just found another way to do it.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was to just insert a provision that they knew the schools couldn't.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A buy buy and still try to exclude them from getting this money.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're on it as we always on and always are, and we plan to win

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: this case just like we won the other.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, school choice is a hot issue right now, Dr.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Matthews.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you are seeing battles in all sorts of different states, including

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: we're broadcasting here from the state of Texas, and that was really

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: important to the governor and you know, the school choice wasn't mentioned

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: a whole lot in the democratic national convention.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: If it ever got mentioned, it was in a negative sense, but I would have to

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: say that more and more states and more and more parents are saying, I don't

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: want to put my child in a failed school.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to put, have a choice and for a country and even a department

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and a political party that says they believe in choice, they

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: don't believe in school choice.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the things that's been really interesting is post pandemic,

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: how many schools, public schools are losing students out there.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And you see it from, you see it all across the country, public schools

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that are getting lower numbers of students.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And in some cases, the states have not increased their funding for those

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: students.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you've got schools closing down in many states around the

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: country, including here in Texas.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course in Texas here, the part, the prime, the reason they

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: have not gotten increases because the governor is holding it out for,

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: for a school choice bill and they, the, the, uh, educators, the

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_04]: education lobby and so forth, refused to do that, but then complained that

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: they're not getting any increase.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And the governor says, you got to give me school choice and we'll make

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: sure you get an increase in a student reimbursements.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought just mentioned real quickly, if you go to your picture and it

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: takes you to first Liberty and you've got a picture here of a Seattle

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: pastor arrested for reading the Bible.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, although he's been vindicated, got a picture here of you at

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_05]: testifying before the Texas state board of education.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we have the situation there in the main law, preventing participation

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: in school choice.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you've got things, uh, which are of course coming from first Liberty

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: live, uh, which are the stories about founded on freedom and Schumer's

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: revenge on the court and the history and tradition tests.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So if an individual right now, maybe you have your kids in the public

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_05]: school, but you're thinking about a private school or you are certainly

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: supportive of school choice, but you're being told that that is

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: constitutional.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there a way that they can learn from you and get some of that information?

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can go to first Liberty.org.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of that information is there.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, my book on a lot of these issues will be coming out in January.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's called uncommon or courage.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited about that.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Looking forward to everyone reading it.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I would think so.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, that's another issue because you know, as well as I do

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: that now as kids come to school, they're being told they can't take

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: their Bible to school.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Teachers are told that they can't have a Bible on their desk.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, certainly by the time they have graduation valedictorians are told

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_05]: they can't mention Jesus Christ and the, all of those are false ideas.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And so if you find that your child or your grandchild is dealing with

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_05]: some of that, they should contact you at first Liberty.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, when your book comes out, they need to buy

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: a copy of the book, don't they?

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's, there's going to be a lot of great information in there, but

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I really do want to empower a lot of Christians just to have more

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: confidence to talk about these issues.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think sometimes it's hard to do that because you can't always connect

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: your faith to an on point issue.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you know the Bible, it's not often difficult to discern, you

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: know, how to approach these issues.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Christians just have to be bold because the

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: other side is bold as well.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's take a break and we come back.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Merrill Matthews, you have one on swing state Senate races.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_05]: You and I talked about that off air, but let's get into that as

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: well, because as Keisha will admit, not only who the president is, but also

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: who the Senate is determines ultimately who's in the federal judiciary.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe who's a tre an ambassador, who's in the cabinet.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And so the Senate races are important.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And even though we're a national show, we're going to focus on some

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: particular races in certain States.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about that right after these important messages.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Almost seems like we live in a different world from many people

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_06]: in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_06]: They say men can be women and women, men.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_06]: People are prosecuted differently or not at all, depending on their politics.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law abiding citizens.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_06]: It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_06]: You feel like giving up, but we can't, we shouldn't.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_06]: We must not as Winston Churchill said to Britain in the

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_06]: darkest days of world war two.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Never give in, never give in.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Never, never, never, never yield to force.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And now here again is Kirby Anderson.

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[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But we have in studio with us, Merrill Matthews and Keisha Russell and Dr.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Matthews back in May, you were writing about the fact that when Joe Biden

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: was still in the race, you were looking at some of these so-called swing

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: state Senate candidates, because sometimes a presidential candidate or an

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_05]: incumbent president has what they call coattails and makes a difference in

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_05]: terms of some of those for people that again say, well, I don't know who I'm

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_05]: going to vote for president or I just can't vote for either of them.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't skip that because the next one down on the ballot is probably one of

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you may be in a state where you have a Senate race, 34 Senate races this

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: time, but in some of these states, which are swing states like Arizona

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, you've been kind of paying

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: attention to what is happening there.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And so far that doesn't look very good for Donald Trump if he is reelected.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: That's correct.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: The, if you look at the Trump Harris polling in those seven swing states

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that they're generally focusing on it's one of them may be up a point.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: The other is up a point or two, usually within the margin of error.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's essentially a tied race in those.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But when you look at the, at the Senate seats and the Senate seats are important

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: because they're statewide elections.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not a congressional seat.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not just a small section.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's in a Republican or democratic area.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's statewide.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And so of the seven swing states, seven have Senate races going on right now.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think three of them are incumbents to have them are open seats, but in

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: every one of them, the democratic candidate is leading in some cases by

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've just looked at the latest toll polls in real clear polling.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So in Wisconsin, Baldwin is up the Democrat by five points in Pennsylvania,

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Casey up by seven points, Michigan that slot can up by seven points, Wisconsin

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_04]: eight points, Pennsylvania and earlier when Casey was only up by one

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Michigan up four Wisconsin up four.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So you look down this role here and you just say, ah, it's not, it's not

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: nearly as close in the Senate races as it is in the presidential race.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason that's important is if you're coming out and you're voting

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: for a democratic Senator, you're pro you might vote for Trump, but

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: probably not.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I point out in the piece that party switching doing, doing two, two

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_04]: parties is that's, that's down significantly from what it used to be.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, according to one of the, I think it was, I think it was a

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: saboteur, I may be wrong, but I think it's a saboteur.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: The in the 2016 race, you only had one state where they voted for a

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Republican and one and the Senate, the opposite party.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And in the 2020 race, there was no cases where you had a Republican and

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: split votes with the Democrat or Republican and the opposite parties.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But here when you come, so if that holds true now, you would have to think

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that these swing states are probably going to swing democratic because

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the polling is so much higher for the democratic Senate candidates.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And in North Carolina where they don't have a Senate race, but they do

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: have a governor's race, the Democrat in the, in North Carolina is leading

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: by four or five points.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, you mentioned Larry Sabato, who he's of course, the

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: center for politics, university of Virginia.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We've interviewed him before, but when you look at that trend, you know, the

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: split vote isn't what it used to be.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And yet again, I'm not sure that neither of course, Donald Trump or

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Joe Biden are now Kamala Harris have what you used to call coattails,

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_05]: but it is kind of intriguing.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, Keisha remind us because the Senate is going to be able to

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_05]: give advice and consent to all those people in the federal judiciary.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So there are individuals that certainly if Donald Trump is elected, he would

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: want to put in the federal judiciary or even replace an individual on the

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Supreme court.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you don't have very much of a Republican Senate, then you don't

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_05]: necessarily get somebody like a judge Ho, for example, who might be more

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: controversial.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So it makes a difference in the kind of people you put in the

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Supreme court and the kind of people you put in the federal judiciary.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And when you say someone like Jim Ho, I think what we're actually saying is

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: someone who they might look at as being too conservative, right?

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Not even controversial.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing that's scary is if the Democrats get a majority in the

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Senate, I mean, you're talking about legislation likely that's going to

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: impact the Supreme court.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, if they get both houses, they'll definitely do that.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things that first Liberty Institute is very, very

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: scared about right now is ending up with legislation that will add seats to

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the Supreme court and pack the Supreme court and end up ultimately

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: destroying the court.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You can go to supremecoup.com and we'll get into that in just a minute.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think Dr.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Matthew says,

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was going to say the good news is that because the Democrats

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: are defending, I think 23 seats in the Republicans, 11 make 34.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's I think that's the right number.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Democrats have got they've got a big hurdle to get over.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So right now, the latest polling has Republicans with either likely

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: leaning or are pretty secure 50 seats with a couple of toss ups added on

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: to that, which could be which could end up giving Republicans 52,

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe 53 seats in the Senate.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's that's including the ones I was just mentioning, all

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: staying remaining Democratic.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's if you get a Kamala Harris as president, you need a Republican Senate.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You need that balance there just to be able to keep her from doing some

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: of the worst things she would like to do.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the pickups would be, I think, West Virginia, West

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Virginia, and maybe Montana, Montana.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Just just this week, Montana has moved over from toss up to lean

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Republican in a couple of polls.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's looking a little better.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, in the polling here, she I think it is is up about five points,

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_04]: six points over Tester.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's looking good from a Republican standpoint.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But it is interesting that all these swing states will leave out

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_05]: North Carolina, which I've never seen as much of a swing state doesn't

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: have a Senate race, but all the others don't look so good.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is the case before I take some phone calls.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me just real quickly come back, Keisha to this idea because, OK,

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_05]: let's say Democrats could take over.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Kamala Harris is the next president.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they've made it pretty clear.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you can then go to some of the material at First Liberty or

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_05]: supreme coup dot com and see that they have made it clear that they

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_05]: want to get rid of the filibuster, that then allows them to begin to

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: increase the number of people on the Supreme Court, pack the court

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_05]: because these nine are working so hard.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's add four more.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And this could be a change so dramatic that Kelly Shackelford has said

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_05]: that could actually change the country forever.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you want to know what it looks like, all you have to do

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: is look at Venezuela and see what happened to their government

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: when they pack their court there.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have a court, you don't have the promises

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that are in the Constitution.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You need someone to enforce those documents.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. China tells its citizens that they have freedom of speech

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and religion, but we all know that they don't actually experience

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: it because no one upholds it.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the reason you want to keep the Supreme Court.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: If the Dems add seats, it's just going to politicize the court

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: because what happens when the Republicans are back?

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they do the same thing and then it just goes back and forth

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and the Supreme Court just becomes futile, useless and very, very dangerous.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's fair to say the only reason they didn't do it

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: last this past time is because Joe Manchin and Christian Senna

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: from Arizona were holdouts in that they both became

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: independents and they're both going to be out.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that is the case.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So again, this is an article by Dr.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Muriel Matthews and we'll get an update in about two weeks, I'm sure,

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because that is something that you might want to write about as well.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's head out to California.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_05]: KNLB. Cathy, I think you have a question for us.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, with voting being able to be done like two months in advance,

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: how many times could a person who comes in from another country

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: vote within that time?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it because there was something that I heard on KNLB

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think the person was from Guatemala and he used

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: he didn't use the same names, but he used different names

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and he voted more than once.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times are how many people

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: can illegally vote and then not only vote,

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but they can vote like for those two months that they're,

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I know you have to you're supposed to be able

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to give an address or something. Right.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, in your particular state, I'm not sure they require to show

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: of driver's license or anything like that.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And so if you aren't, Keisha, that makes it pretty easy

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_05]: to vote multiple times. I would think so.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, in California, we can kind of guess where that is going to go.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not really a swing state.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So but yes, it is very dangerous.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So as far as how many times or anything like that,

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: there's just no way to know.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. And the if you have mail in voting,

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: you could do something with a mail in vote.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you come up and using a voting card

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that doesn't have a picture on there, you could register as somebody else

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: or come in as somebody else and vote for that person.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's where you could get some fraud in there.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Again, and voter fraud, I give some examples of one individual

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that actually went to a particular voting place

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and pretended to be actually a person of a different race

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and an individual that was a fairly prominent member

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the Clinton administration.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So again, that can happen.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why I think voter ID is really important.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: You cannot get onto an airplane without a voter ID.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't sometimes even buy cough medicine.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't go into many buildings in Washington without some kind of identification.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's take a break.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll cover some other issues right after this.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: South Dakota is one of the most pro-life states in America.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Before Roe v. Wade was overturned,

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: South Dakota had enacted 111 statutes restricting abortion,

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: the most of any state under a trigger law that took effect

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: after the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision in 2022.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Abortion is illegal in South Dakota, except to save the life of the mother.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The states pro-lifers work hard to elect legislators

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: who will protect the sanctity of human life.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now they are battling a proposed constitutional amendment

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that could reverse much of the pro-life legislation on the books in South Dakota.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: In states that allow initiative and referendum,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: activists can go directly to voters and sometimes use deceptive language

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and tactics to win the PR battle and undo the work of legislators.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Post Dobbs, six states, including Purple, Kansas,

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: have enshrined abortion rights into their constitutions via ballot measure.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: This November, voters in nine states will consider similar pro-abortion initiatives.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Make that 10 states if an extreme pro-abortion amendment

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: ends up on the ballot in South Dakota.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The passage of Amendment G could legalize most late term abortions

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and reverse protections and restrictions on abortion

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: enacted over the past 20 years.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Life Defense Fund has filed a lawsuit alleging various instances of wrongdoing

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: during the process of gathering signatures to place Amendment G on the ballot.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: An army of pro-lifers blanketed the state,

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: hitting farmers markets and other outdoor events

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: where paid signature gatherers were at work.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Folks even wore body cameras to record arguments being used to get people to sign.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Evidence showing that Amendment G operatives were breaking laws

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: or lying to get signatures could augment efforts to invalidate the ballot measure.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a well organized education campaign

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: to inform people in every South Dakota county of the extreme nature of Amendment G.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: South Dakota could be a test case for defeating these pro-abortion initiatives.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: To help, go to LifeDefenseFund.com.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: For Point of View, I'm Penedexter.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Back just for a few more minutes, let me just mention that those of you that listen online,

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you probably have heard Penedexter's commentary.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: She's not here today, but let me just kind of summarize it real quickly

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_05]: because it is entitled South Dakota's Pivotal Battle

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: that South Dakota is one of the most pro-life states in America.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And even before Roe versus Wade was overturned,

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: South Dakota enacted 111 statutes according to her that restricted abortion.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But now as we've seen, various states have what is called

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the initiative and referendum opportunity.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And activists have wanted to go directly to the voters.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: A good example is Kansas, which is not far from, of course, where South Dakota is,

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_05]: which even though it's sort of a purple state, not necessarily red or blue,

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: was able to enshrine abortion rights into their constitution.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And other states have done so as well.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So this November, voters in nine different states will have similar

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: pro-abortion initiatives.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And 10, if you actually, she says, take on the pro-abortion amendment

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: that should end up on the ballot in South Dakota, which is Amendment G.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I'd love to get your thoughts about this, Keisha,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: because when I looked at some of the attempts to pass abortion rights,

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: legislation or abortion rights laws or amendments,

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_05]: so often it seems to have been written deliberately confusing.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the argument is always rolled in, as we saw in the debate the other day,

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_05]: in vitro fertilization, birth control and the rest.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And pretty soon people that maybe aren't even that pro-abortion think,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_05]: well, I better pass this amendment.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise they're going to ban birth control or in vitro fertilization.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's a tactic, though.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think sometimes in the messaging, people try to make it pretty vague

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: what the bill does because they want people to vote for it.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And they want them to think that if you don't,

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to have all these extreme issues and you're not going to have your IVF.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to have these things.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And that typically is not the case.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's purposeful that oftentimes the media will deceive the people

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: about what's going on so that they get what they want.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, that's a concern because if nothing else, Dr. Matthews,

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_05]: it does seem to me that some people say, well, I'm not sure I even want to vote

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_05]: because I don't like the candidates.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they are there are some really important amendments and things

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_05]: that we will also try to cover with our voter guide.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not all it's not just the candidates.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: There's oftentimes amendments to the state's constitution and other other things

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in there which are important for people to look at.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And myself, I have this mixed feeling about initiative and referendum

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because California has it, as you know, and occasionally Californians have come up

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and tried to stop some of the left leaning policies that the state has tried to propose.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So it can go either way on that aspect.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, some of those were implemented back in the 19th century

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and had some of these states where you were concerned about corruption.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm always about checks and balances, but I think it has been manipulated.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And as she points out, there was an army of pro-lifers who then in many cases

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: wore body cameras to record the arguments being used to even justify signing

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_05]: up this particular piece on Amendment G.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So as we move further closer to elections, given the fact that starting Monday,

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_05]: some people can actually vote, we will do our best to try to give you some voter guides

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and things of that nature because you do not want to be deceived at all.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, speaking of corruption, we have Bob Menendez, a Senator from New Jersey,

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: who stepped down.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We have Eric Adams, several people in his administration,

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: including the police commissioner has had to step down because of concerns.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have the governor of New York who had a Chinese spy

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: working in her administration.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And we've talked about Chinese spies when we talk about California representative.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But here's a Chinese spy that was very close to the governor of the state of New York.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So, again, to have had a debate this week and never have the word China

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: mentioned other than by the candidates, never ask a question about that and never even

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_05]: get into what I think is still one of the very significant threats to the future

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and not even mention that shows us that that wasn't exactly the best debate

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that could have actually taken place.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought I'd just end by the fact that, you know, there's been a real debate about

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: whether or not the Biden economy or the Trump economy was the best.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the Census Bureau earlier this week produced its report on household income,

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_05]: poverty and health care.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And interestingly enough, I'll just talk about income during the Trump years,

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_05]: according to the Census Bureau.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, it's got to be accurate.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_05]: The incomes of Asians went up $14,000, whites, 8000, almost $9000,

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Hispanics, almost $7000, blacks, almost $5000.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: During the Biden years, the first three years, they did a comparison.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Asians went up 1500, whites, 850, Hispanics, 700, and blacks did the best, 2600.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And so if you're looking at the difference, you could see that there was a stark difference.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I showed a graph for those of you watching online and then it was so interesting

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_05]: that real median income during that time declined for most people and it dropped the worst

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: for those who were just high school graduates.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So the people hurt the most by inflation, where inflation outpaced wages

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: were the low wage workers.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And so for people that have said, well, that's just your perception.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't seem so.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_05]: There is pretty good economic evidence to suggest what most people have felt.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've seen a lot of interviews where people said, you know, when Donald Trump was in office,

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I seem to be doing a whole lot better.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And when Joe Biden was there, not.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think we have a reason for that, Dr. Matthews, and that's if you print more money

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: and more money is chasing the same number of goods, that's called what?

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. It's called inflation.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely part of it.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the reasons why Kamala Harris doesn't want to provide a direct answer

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to that question.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't she vote on the Inflation Reduction Act?

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: She was the deciding vote on the Inflation Reduction Act.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know what you're talking about.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Which now Bernie Sanders honestly has said, well, we should have just called it what

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it was and that's the Green New Deal.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And Dr. Matthews has read all of the Green New Deal and love lived to tell about

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: it. And most of it has nothing to do with the environment.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely nothing to most of it.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Most of it is sort of a social effort to try to expand minority hiring, try

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to get social justice and equity and stuff throughout the economy, but primarily using

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the Green New Deal as the tool for doing that.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go around the roundtable.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: First of all, Kiesha, it is great to have you back and certainly appreciate the

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: testimony you did there at the Texas Education Agency.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_05]: You probably deserve combat pay for all the nasty things that get said down there.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, firstlibertylive.com.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You have also firstliberty.org and also the whole idea of supremecoup.com.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So all sorts of great resources that are available there.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Matthews, of course, we sent people to IPI, but actually now just go to the hill.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It seems like every time I read something on the hill, there's another Dr.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Muriel Matthews article.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You got any others coming out here soon?

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_04]: There'll be more coming out on Tuesday.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_04]: My weekly column appears on Tuesday there.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So again, lots of great resources and you can find all of those on the website,

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_05]: pointofview.net.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And when Kiesha's book comes out, we'll make sure we promote that as we do.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And we certainly will encourage you to get some of the resources.

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[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, that is hers on the South Dakota battle and mine is on modern day

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