Friday, September 13, 2024
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[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Romero Matthews with us, an individual that's with us so often and by the fact next week
[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: we'll actually be sitting in this chair on the Wednesday program.
[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And we now welcome back to the microphone Keisha Russell.
[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess first of all, Keisha, we have to say, where have you been this last year?
[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so thank you for the welcome back.
[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to be on again.
[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I have been clerking for the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals for the last year with
[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Judge Jim Ho.
[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was an amazing experience.
[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We sat and had our hearings in Louisiana, New Orleans.
[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So I overeat quite a bit.
[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Way too many beignets, how much I can tell you.
[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was an amazing experience.
[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And Judge Ho is such a just brilliant judge.
[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I learned so much from him.
[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Just out of curiosity, how much time a day do you have to spend?
[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this these really long days or what?
[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So we sit about, I could say, about once a month, maybe a little less.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And the days are very long when you're listening to cases, because you could
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: have anywhere from one to four in a day.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to listen and be attentive and know what's going on.
[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're drafting opinions for him or helping do that?
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So the daily routine is we help him make his decisions in cases.
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a pretty hefty workload.
[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So he divides the work up between the clerks.
[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We read the cases, make our recommendations.
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes we draft his opinions, concurrences or dissents and just help
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the process roll smoothly, basically.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a lot of work, but it's fun.
[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see a lot of different areas of law, criminal law, civil law, oil
[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and gas, all kinds of wild things that I didn't think I'd ever be acquainted with.
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was an amazing experience.
[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know I'll be a better litigator for it.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: What a great individual he is.
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Judge Ho, I still hope he's going to make it to the Supreme Court, but whether or
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: not the few times I've read some of his opinions, there are times when you
[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: read it and you laugh out loud because he really is just an individual that
[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of tells it like it is.
[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So certainly that's the case.
[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Just real quickly, I thought I'd also mentioned that we have mentioned
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: on the program, even when you have not been here, you have a book coming out.
[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just now heard that it's coming out in a couple of months.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's called Uncommon Courage and it's about how Christians can better
[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: influence politics through a more thorough understanding of the law.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So I go into some of the soft tyranny that's taking place in our country
[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and I lay out, you know, what's happening in the media and education
[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and politics, and I tried to drill down to sort of the nitty gritty
[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: on some of these issues so Christians can know how to respond when people
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: are arguing with them about some of our most pressing issues.
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And the really important question, will there be an audio book?
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there will be.
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I will see if it'll be me or someone else.
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But I am where we are looking at that.
[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We just have to see if I have the voice for an audio book.
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. So again, that be watching for and of course,
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: we'll do the interview with her when it comes up close.
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, put her on the spot.
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Matthews, let me put you on the spot.
[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw a debate the other night.
[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I said that the winner probably was Kamala Harris.
[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The loser was maybe Donald Trump.
[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest loser was ABC News.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: What's your thoughts?
[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's getting a lot.
[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: ABC is getting a lot of criticism for this.
[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But Donald Trump should have known that going in.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So you go in expecting these commentators,
[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: these anchors are going to sort of be favoring the other side.
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem is, I just don't think Donald Trump came in prepared for this.
[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Kamala Harris was prepared.
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: She was if if you're a person who's coming as an undecided voter,
[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you really don't know much about politics or policy.
[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're going in just a lot of voters just go by the impression
[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: they get by seeing the person.
[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Kamala Harris looked poised.
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: She looked prepared as she had certain movements and smiles.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She avoided her word salad for the most part.
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: She avoided the cackle for the most part.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And she came prepared to put Trump on the defensive, which he and she
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought she did very, very well from that standpoint,
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: because she constantly had him off chasing rabbit holes and looking,
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: doing other things and coming up with comments.
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just kind of like, why are you doing that?
[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And the key, if you don't have very good responses yourself
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and I don't think Kamala Harris has very good responses for her policies.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The idea is to have the other person constantly sort of talking
[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and making making blunders so that you don't have to.
[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got less time that you're being on the spot.
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I definitely think Kamala Harris
[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: threw out a number of traps that he fell into and definitely went off the rails.
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he missed a lot of opportunities to call her out.
[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish she had been a little bit more intentional in that area.
[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the real thing.
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: There are so many things he could have pressed.
[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He waited till his concluding remarks to highlight.
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You've been president, been in the office for three and a half years.
[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And you haven't you haven't done all these things you say you want to do.
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought when I saw that, I told my wife there.
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the that's the argument right there.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He should have started with that and press that time and time again.
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to create the opportunity economy, why haven't you done that?
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to create new jobs, why haven't you done those things?
[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And he just didn't.
[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to address immigration, why haven't you done it?
[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, the first article we have comes from the editors of Wall Street
[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Journal, Trump lets Harris off the debate hook.
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And there are so many times that could have been raised.
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And then one by Cal Thomas, where he sort of ends with the idea that in terms
[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: of image, maybe Harris did well, but in terms of issues, Trump.
[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But let me come back to since I did talk about ABC for just a minute,
[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: we've already gone through the fact that there were like at least five
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: fact checks of Donald Trump and none basically of Kamala Harris.
[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I listed nine from Gary Bauer.
[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw one from Breitbart.
[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We had like about 15.
[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But the bottom line is just think of the conversations that didn't take place.
[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: For example, Keisha, one of the things that you and Kelly Shackelford
[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and others have talked about is what it would be the assault on the Supreme Court.
[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That question never came up.
[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I least can't remember it.
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: If you think about who's the greatest enemy of America would be China.
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They mentioned it in passing, but there was never a question about that.
[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can come up with all sorts of questions that weren't asked.
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You can come up with various kinds of fact checks
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that were done on Donald Trump and none on Kamala Harris.
[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think some people watching that, even if they aren't really politically
[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: associated with all this, have to go.
[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't exactly the fairest forum for Donald Trump.
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.
[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I spoke to a few people I know who are Dems, and they said
[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that they could see the bias pretty clearly.
[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I don't think it's a secret.
[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, though, the fact checks were an issue.
[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Most glaringly, the the abortion comment that was made.
[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've seen lots of coverage on that.
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But certainly for First Liberty, our most our main objective here
[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: is to get these candidates talking about their goals on the Supreme Court
[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and what they're going to do with the courts in the future.
[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, if we don't have fair courts,
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: we don't have our rights anymore.
[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, given that this was the only scheduled debate,
[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the notion that education didn't come up, federal debt didn't come up.
[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So and SCOTUS, the Supreme Court, it's just amazing.
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Those key issues didn't make it.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And again, I just gave you a short list.
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You added to it.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And that list is a long list, if you think of all the issues
[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that people are concerned about, even the opening question about,
[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: well, are people doing better than they were four years ago?
[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And Kamel here just goes into being talking about
[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: we grew up in the middle class and never even get to the issue.
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And nobody goes a follow up saying, wait a minute,
[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: this is the question we ask you.
[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But nevertheless, we need to take a break.
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We come back.
[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk a little bit more about that
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: than move on to some other issues.
[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, one of those is the pro-life issue.
[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have a good piece by John Stone Street
[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and some other fact checks that we can talk about.
[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: All that coming up right after this.
[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.
[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have idols today,
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but rarely are they in the form of carved statues
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and found in religious shrines.
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: A study by Lifeway Research asked Protestant pastors in this country
[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: what they felt were modern day idols.
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Two thirds of the pastors believe that comfort is a desire
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that Christians have made into an idol.
[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: A majority also reported that control or security, money and approval
[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: are idols that have significant influence on their congregations.
[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They were also asked to choose the potential idol
[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: with the most sway over people in their churches.
[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: These pastors again pointed to comfort and control or security
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: as the most important.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Scott McConnell serves as the executive director of Lifeway Research.
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He says it's easy to think those in the Christian churches
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: have chosen their God and are faithful to him.
[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But he also noted that pastors quickly acknowledge
[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: how divided their congregation's allegiances can be.
[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: These gods don't have a physical shrine,
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but they compete for the hearts of Christians.
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: There were other modern day idols that were reported by many pastors,
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but not a majority of them.
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Fewer said that success or social influence were idols in their congregation.
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Even lower on the list were political power and sex or romantic love.
[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: One interesting statistic was the fact that a smaller percentage of pastors
[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: said that none of these idols had an influence in their churches.
[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Differences in age and education were also relevant.
[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Younger pastors, for example, were more likely to say that money
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: is an idol in the church, while more educated pastors
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: pointed to both money and control.
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're a pastor or a Bible fellowship teacher,
[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: you need to look at this survey and consider what teaching
[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_03]: you want to bring to this issue of modern day idols.
[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.
[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: For a free booklet on a biblical view of genetic engineering,
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: go to viewpoints dot info slash genetic engineering viewpoints dot info
[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: slash genetic engineering.
[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again, we'll spend just a few more minutes talking about the debate.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We have certainly covered some of that earlier in the week,
[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: but I did want to give you a piece by Cal Thomas,
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: as well as one by the editors, the Wall Street Journal.
[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And they aren't necessarily fans of Donald Trump.
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But I even quoted yesterday from the Charlie Cook one in which he said,
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I recognize that Trump did a poor job.
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to vote for him.
[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But that doesn't make it any better about ABC News, he says.
[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Just because you don't like the person driving over the road
[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: or over the bridge doesn't mean you don't talk about the flaws of the bridge.
[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he really felt that there are a few people
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: that have not taken seriously the fact
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that there are reasons why people probably don't want to do another debate.
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And you had this interesting thing coming up where Mark Penn,
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the Democratic pollster, is hinting that he thinks somehow the ABC
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: fed questions or prepped the Kamala Harris side.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't think there's been any evidence yet that that's actually happened.
[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll see what happens there.
[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting coming from Mark Penn making that suggestion.
[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I might just mention again, he's an individual,
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: has been a pollster for the Clinton campaign and others.
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I've quoted him favorably a couple of times more recently.
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: There is a I wasn't sure I was going to bring it up, but since we did,
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: there is a whistleblower alleging some of that.
[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, you have all the conspiracy theories
[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: about whether the earrings she has had earphones and all the rest.
[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you don't know how far down that road you go.
[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But it does seem to me if you have what could be a credible whistleblower
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and if there were never any fact checks on one side
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and the implication from the whistleblowers that was decided ahead of time.
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's worth a question.
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And it brings us back to is there going to be a second presidential debate?
[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we can honestly say no.
[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So the only other debate is October 1st, and that's J.D. Vance.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lawyer for you, a very gifted lawyer and an individual
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that's pretty good at point and counterpoint with Tim Walsh,
[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: who's the governor of Minnesota. What's your thoughts?
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can tell you I can't wait to grab the popcorn
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and watch that debate because that debate is going to be entertaining.
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No question about it.
[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think at this point, though, as it relates to the media,
[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anyone expected the media to be neutral in that debate.
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the sad part, right, that we don't even expect it anymore,
[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: even in something this serious as a presidential debate.
[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this.
[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a common maxim in Washington among politicians
[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that you answer the question you want to answer, not the question they ask.
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And in common, I think, did a fairly good job of that
[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in that when they ask, how's the economy doing?
[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: She drifts off into talking about the Opportunity Society and her
[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: her background and coming up in a middle class background
[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't really answer the question, but touches on it enough
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that you might not.
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think a better anchor would have said,
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but let me come back here to this question.
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But you sort of ramble around it enough
[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and then you toss it over to Trump, who will then take it and go.
[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows where?
[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you're letting the focus be on him and not you.
[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think even in that point of answering the question
[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: she wanted to answer rather than the ones they ask,
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: she did a better job at that.
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and again, that is the last time you might actually see her
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in a situation like that, because if indeed there has been
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the basement strategy for Joe Biden, some people said
[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the teleprompter strategy for Kamala Harris.
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, there's always been the thought of would Joe Biden
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: step down and let her become president for even a month
[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: before the election.
[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't know if that's happening, but these this is just uncharted
[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: territory of nothing else.
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I say sometimes actually Keisha for some of our younger listeners
[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're a little bit younger than some of those two old guys around
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: the table. This isn't always been this way.
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Matter of fact, there's a great video out right now showing the back
[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and forth in the respect that Richard Nixon had for John F.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Kennedy and even some of the things between, say, Carter and Reagan
[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and Mondale and a couple of others.
[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't see any of that now.
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think part of that is because all of a sudden,
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: of course, we have much more polarized society,
[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but you've also had the injection of the moderators.
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, Candy Crowley actually so quote fact checking.
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly enough, an individual who was raising some very important
[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: questions about what Barack Obama did or did not do.
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And as a result, you ended up, I think, creating a situation
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: where now there's almost the assumption that there's going to be fact
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: checking on the part of the moderators.
[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I don't think they really did that much in the
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: in the Trump Biden debate.
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They kind of just stayed neutral on that for the most part, I think.
[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember that being an issue.
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And interestingly, and you've got it posted on the point of view website.
[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: CNN has come up because when you're fact checking,
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you have to know all these things.
[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes even if the moderator is going to step in, they don't always know it.
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So CNN has come up with that article
[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: where they're going back and finding a number of things
[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that Kamala has said in the past.
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are there are ads out there with this also.
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But things like the
[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: her denial that she would have allowed transgender
[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: people surgery for people,
[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: illegal aliens in custody.
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go back and CNN has come up
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: with a compound fact she hasn't said that, even though she's essentially denied it
[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: at the at the debate.
[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So CNN did us a favor in doing that.
[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so. And Politico has done that and some of the others.
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, there was a time, again, since we're old guys around the table,
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: we didn't used to have all these videos.
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it would be quite possible.
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And we can remember, especially if you go back to history
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and your historian, of which a politician would say one thing
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: in one part of the country, a different thing in a different part of the country.
[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when somebody catch them on this, I know I didn't say that.
[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you just have too much video.
[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And we actually have video in most of these cases of Kamala Harris
[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: saying this and this and this.
[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And now at least telling us through an anonymous staffer
[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that she no longer believes that.
[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But you don't sometimes even have her denying that she doesn't.
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And in many of these cases, they're not nuanced denials
[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: or nuanced beliefs in something there.
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They're full throated.
[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe we should do this.
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And now she says she doesn't believe that.
[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And even in the debate, sort of smirking at the notion that she would ever
[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: support
[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: taxpayers paying transgender surgery for illegal
[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: illegal aliens in custody.
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things, Keisha, we have to recognize is these were
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: statements made less than five years ago.
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I were to pick something you said when you were in law school
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: or when you were a teacher, even before you went to law school
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and say, what do you believe it?
[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So wait a minute, I've learned a whole lot more since then.
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And if she had said that when she was at Howard or when she was in law school.
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, but she's made many of these statements just a few years ago,
[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: hasn't she? Yeah.
[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's pretty clear that she's trying to break away
[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: from the category that she's a super leftist, but I don't think there's any
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and any recovery from that, frankly.
[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think at this point, I really don't think she can convince people
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that she's a moderate.
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just think that that time has come and gone
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and she doesn't have enough time to lie to that many people.
[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And even that in her answers on how why did you change on like fracking?
[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, my values haven't changed.
[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she brought up she brought up an answer to,
[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think is a dog whistle to the left to say,
[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still the same old comma.
[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to I'm just going to say that we're going to do this.
[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And as I've said before, you don't have to with fracking,
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't have to come in and outlaw it.
[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You just simply have the federal agencies go in there and say,
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: well, we need you to do this.
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to do this. Here's some new regulations.
[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We want you to impose these waiting times and so forth.
[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And all of a sudden, you've essentially eliminated without actually
[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: eliminating it. As you said, you don't need to ban.
[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Just make it so difficult that it's like a ban.
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's a good point.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Just before we take a break and we come back and talk about abortion
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: on Monday, in some states, you can actually early vote.
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And by the end of two weeks, you have, I think,
[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: identified at least a half a dozen states that you can vote early.
[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to get your thoughts about that, because it does seem to me
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: we haven't even had a vice presidential debate.
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Some Americans have had one picture of Kamala Harris
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: in a debate that was supposedly 90 minutes long and went about
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: 100 minutes long. And that's all they have.
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to go vote. What about that?
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know if there are too many people who don't already know
[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: what they want to do in this election.
[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think maybe true.
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to know where are those swing voters, you know,
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: of these independents? Yeah, I don't know.
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they don't have TVs.
[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it would be difficult at this point
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to not have an opinion about what you're going to do
[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: even before the vice presidential debate.
[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a fan of early voting.
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But in Texas, we usually live two weeks and that works.
[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do that. And I think that works well.
[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're only two weeks and even some states have a week.
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's fine.
[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got this going where we're out there in September.
[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've got more than a month to the election.
[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: There are people on September 16th, which is next Monday,
[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that could actually vote.
[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And that accounts just as much as we voted on November 5th.
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that's maybe just a little bit early.
[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And you also had the possibility of an October surprise.
[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure. We don't know what that is.
[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But the October surprise could end up changing people's votes.
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet they might have already voted one way or the other.
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll come back and get into this issue of abortion
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: because it came up and it will be a very important issue.
[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So, again, that is our third article piece by John Stone Street,
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: but also Texans for Life and Gary Bauer and others have weighed in as well.
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of voting, we did have a congressional hearing yesterday
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: on non-citizen voting before we're done.
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe in the next hour, we'll get into some of the revelations there.
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And as bad as it is to have non-citizens voting,
[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: we also have individuals that are no longer alive voting.
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I believe no representation without respiration.
[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll come back and talk about some of those issues
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: right after these important messages. Stay tuned.
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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And now here again is Kirby Anderson.
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Weekend Edition in studio with us today, Keisha Russell and Meryl Matthews.
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[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to get into the issue of abortion.
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Our third article is one I pulled from Breakpoint.
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: A good friend of this ministry, John Stone Street, kind of gives us an overview
[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: because after, of course, Roe versus Wade was overturned two years ago.
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You have a number of things.
[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, you have about 14 states that have a near total ban
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and then some other states where it is become even more,
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, liberal in terms of abortion than Roe versus Wade.
[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have a number of votes coming out, including you might want to find
[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Penedexter's commentary, Viewpoint's commentary today on South Dakota's
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_03]: pivotal battle, because, of course, that has been a very pro-life state.
[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But now there is an opportunity for individuals to pass something
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: very similar to what the near state Kansas was doing
[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of enshrining abortion rights.
[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that is it was, I guess, amendment G on the battle.
[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's shown to kind of come back to this because there were statements
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: by Kamala Harris of wanting to restore Roe versus Wade.
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But if they actually pass the piece of legislation in Congress,
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: that would eliminate many of the limitations on third trimester abortions.
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: There was sort of a back and forth as to whether or not
[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: there are such things as third trimester abortions.
[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think most people know that or even abortion after birth,
[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: allowing for infanticide.
[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So help us out, because there are some people that honestly believe
[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that when the Supreme Court two years ago overturned Roe versus Wade,
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: then all of a sudden it made every abortion illegal.
[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not true.
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.
[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All the dobsosition did was return that issue to the states.
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It said that there is not a constitutional right to an abortion,
[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: which is correct, because Roe versus Wade essentially created
[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: federal legislation from the bench.
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And that, of course, is improper.
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So all dobs did was restore the separation of powers issue
[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that was apparent after Roe and return that issue to the states.
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, it seems to have had the effect of radicalizing
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: many of the Democrats.
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that we have states that have no ban at all
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is, I think, pretty scary.
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And again, some of those have come from the vote.
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So there are people watching a couple of states right now to see.
[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And now in most those cases, they were special elections.
[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: This time people have a chance to vote for everything from president
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to senator to members of Congress.
[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So that may be a little bit different.
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But here's one of the fact checks that came out in previous interviews.
[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Kamala Harris has refused to acknowledge that Roe versus Wade
[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: imposed any restrictions on late term abortions, even third trimester abortions.
[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And yet the idea is, is that Women's Health Protection Act
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: would actually codify the right to abortion through all nine months of pregnancy.
[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that fair? Is that true?
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think one of the issues is that many people don't understand
[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: what it means when you say third trimester abortion and late term abortion
[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and these kind of things.
[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's been, you know, proven at this point
[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that those things do happen, even if we don't want them to.
[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And certainly the exchange that happened with ABC,
[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: supposedly fact checking Trump saying that we you know, you're not.
[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't kill a baby after it's been born.
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But leaving it there to die while you watch it
[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: seems pretty close to killing to me.
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the issue that I think this goes back to Ralph Northam,
[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the governor of Virginia, who made the statement that under legislation
[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: they were trying to consider, they were proposing, as I understand it,
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: would have as the way he described it, if a child was born non viable,
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: was not going to be able to live for maybe another an hour or two,
[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: they would just provide palliative care.
[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe let the mother hold it and so forth, but let the baby die.
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The but the way he said that legislation did not pass, I don't believe.
[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But the way I understood him saying it, it sounded like that goes on some now.
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And what we're essentially doing is legalizing this.
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a fair assessment?
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And again, we've had individuals on this program
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that when they actually tried to have after birth abortion bans,
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, in Congress and things like that,
[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Jill Stanek is a good example.
[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the case.
[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's you know, it's the extreme.
[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't always want to look at the extreme.
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I find is, is that probably and tell me, Keisha,
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: if you think this is right, we have a group of individuals,
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: a percentage of individuals that are pro life, no exceptions.
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you have some that may be pro life with some exceptions.
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: At the other extreme, you have some people that think there should be
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: no limits on abortion all the way up to nine months.
[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think most Americans find themselves in the middle and they say, well, OK,
[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, four weeks after conception, we have a heartbeat.
[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they get interested in maybe a heartbeat bill or and the neural
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: tube forms and the baby sprain forms.
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Seven weeks after conception, we have brainwave activities.
[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And even if people are barely paying attention to what we're saying
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and almost asleep, they still have brainwave activities.
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we've used some of those criteria to say
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that sure looks like a human being.
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So even though some Americans may say, I'm not really for a total ban on abortion,
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but I certainly am not for unrestricted abortion all the way up through nine months.
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think a lot of people would like to say that they're in the middle on that issue.
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I personally have a hard time thinking that there is a middle.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there is either.
[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think it's hard for for people to take sort of a strong
[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: a staunch stance on either side, because for whatever reason,
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I spoke to someone before who was saying that, well, it is true
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that the adoption system is like this and the life might not.
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you never know what kind of life they're going to have.
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe it's better to.
[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I always think, well, you we don't have the right
[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to decide whether someone's life is going to be worth living if
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the Lord has seen fit to have them born.
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And let's let's see what happens.
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that we should or should ever have that power, frankly.
[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and one of the things I always say when people say, what about exceptions?
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I say, well, sitting in that chair on three separate occasions,
[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I've had people sit in that chair who were products of rape.
[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's hard for me to look them in the eye and say,
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you should have been aborted.
[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So even when you talk about these exceptions,
[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that we probably would never get a total abortion ban
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: without some of the exceptions, rape, incest, and life of the mother.
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But the reality is if you are pro-life, really,
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to be pro-life from the moment of conception to natural death.
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And I think these exceptions are always these are always frustrating
[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: conversations because what percentage of abortions take place
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: under these exceptions.
[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think of the only abortions that happened were due to these exceptions.
[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it would be in the raging fight that we're in all the time.
[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, I just wanted to raise this issue of abortion
[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: because that did come up.
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I think that when you ask individuals,
[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I've looked down the surveys and Dr.
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Matthews, you've done that as well.
[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The ones that show up on the top are either the economy or immigration,
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes immigration in the economy.
[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Going further down, you eventually see abortion,
[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think shows up only because you have some that are pro-life,
[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: some of that are pro-choice.
[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you have to go even further down before you find things like climate
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: choice. And if you were to watch the Democratic National Convention,
[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I don't know, I've asked you about that,
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: you would think that the number one and two issues are abortion
[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and climate change in light of all the speeches that we're giving.
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And the climate change is way down the list.
[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, so much is happening in climate change with them
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: being unable to sell electric vehicles here in the United States.
[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Companies that have bought them in large numbers,
[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: having to sort of push them out because they don't have any way to sell them.
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's been a real problem.
[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, the climate change issue is the Democrats see that as the driving force.
[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, you've had Democrats say that's the biggest threat facing
[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: the country right now is climate change.
[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say, do we think that's because they can't talk about
[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the issues that are actually one, two and three?
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think sometimes you want to talk about the issues you want to talk about.
[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's why.
[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I brought that up, because it seems to me that you would,
[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: again, if you were listening to the Democrats think those are the big
[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: hot two issues. If you were to listen to the Republicans
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and there were some other things that weren't there.
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But most of the time they tend to talk about immigration and the economy.
[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you go and look at I don't care if you look Pew surveys,
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Gallup surveys, whatever they might be, almost always those are the top issues.
[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't want to talk about those issues,
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to deflect the questions.
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, have the question you want to answer rather than one you want to give.
[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And you also have to then focus on something that you think might be
[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: a hot button issue for at least the people that would come out and vote
[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: for you like the progressives.
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's interesting because all of the solutions for inflation
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and people who are who are especially hurting under this
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and the inflation that we've had is to give them more federal money.
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So we either give more child tax credit money.
[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We will either pay more health insurance for them.
[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We will do we will impose price controls on either food,
[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: prescription drugs and other things.
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing actually addresses the underlying what we what
[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: what we would call on immigration the root causes
[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of this inflation.
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody makes it worse. In fact, that's right.
[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They it's absolutely right.
[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you give somebody a twenty five thousand dollar credit for a house,
[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that allows people to move in there and it
[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it decreases the supply of houses and more people do it.
[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Try to get there. And that raises the price of the house.
[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So you could incidentally that that twenty five thousand
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: could essentially be offset by the increased price.
[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so. And again, I've said if you understand just supply
[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and demand, just that basic idea, you can see how many of the ideas
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: being proposed by Kamala Harris don't make sense.
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we can talk about economics a little bit more.
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But the next article is on immigration.
[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And Dr.
[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Merrill Matthews, who suggested that CNN is telling us something
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that we only found out about from them.
[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: South Dakota is one of the most pro-life states in America.
[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Before Roe v.
[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Wade was overturned, South Dakota had enacted one hundred eleven
[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: statutes restricting abortion, the most of any state under a trigger
[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: law that took effect after the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision in 2022.
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Abortion is illegal in South Dakota, except to save the life of the mother.
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The states pro-lifers work hard to elect legislators who will protect
[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the sanctity of human life.
[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now they are battling a proposed constitutional amendment
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that could reverse much of the pro-life legislation on the books
[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: in South Dakota in states that allow initiative and referendum.
[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Activists can go directly to voters and sometimes use deceptive
[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: language and tactics to win the PR battle and undo the work of legislators.
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Post Dobbs, six states, including Purple, Kansas, have enshrined abortion rights
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: into their constitutions via ballot measure.
[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: This November, voters in nine states will consider similar
[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: pro-abortion initiatives.
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Make that 10 states if an extreme pro-abortion
[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: amendment ends up on the ballot in South Dakota.
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The passage of Amendment G could legalize most late term abortions
[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and reverse protections and restrictions on abortion enacted over the past 20 years.
[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Life Defense Fund has filed a lawsuit alleging various instances of wrongdoing
[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: during the process of gathering signatures to place Amendment G on the ballot.
[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: An army of pro-lifers blanketed the state, hitting farmers markets
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and other outdoor events where paid signature gatherers were at work.
[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Folks even wore body cameras to record arguments being used
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: to get people to sign.
[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Evidence showing that Amendment G operatives were breaking laws
[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: or lying to get signatures could augment efforts to invalidate the ballot measure.
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a well organized education campaign to inform people
[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: in every South Dakota county of the extreme nature of Amendment G.
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: South Dakota could be a test case for defeating these pro-abortion
[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: initiatives to help go to LifeDefenseFund.com.
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: For Point of View, I'm Pena Dexter.
[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth.
[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again and in studio with us today, Keisha Russell and Meryl Matthews.
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Our third article is one that I think you actually, I guess it would be our fourth
[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: article, is one that comes from CNN.
[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I try from time to time to post things from New York Post, New York Times,
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Washington Post, National Review, CNN, MSNBC.
[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I've posted things from Mother Jones occasionally, but, you know,
[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: even a stop clock is right at least twice a day.
[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is CNN and I got to give credit to Andrew Kozinski and Dr.
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Matthews, you get credit for pointing me to this.
[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because CNN really dug into the issue of immigration, which we didn't
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: really have in the debate.
[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the many missed opportunities where Donald Trump could
[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: have really pressed the issue, even if the moderators did not.
[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But the headline gives you an idea of how much digging he did.
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Kamala Harris told ACLU in 2019 she supports cuts to ICE funding, as well
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: providing gender transition surgery to detained migrants.
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I actually watched the video so that I couldn't just necessarily trust
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: CNN, you can watch it for yourself.
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But this whole idea of transgender rights, again, this is an individual who
[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: was very successful in the San Francisco Bay area and all the rest.
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I've lived in that area.
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So I know that actually they will sometimes think that Nancy Pelosi is too
[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: conservative for some of them.
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So it didn't take long for me to say that you take the most radical views.
[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And she probably has articulated it.
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometime or another, she's supported.
[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And what I would encourage our listeners to go and look at the CNN
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: article because it has a link, because this comes from a 2019 ACOU
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: candidate query that they sent out to her and to other candidates.
[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was one of the ones who responded to it.
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So they have a link to that.
[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can go and pull up this ACU document from 2019 and see the
[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: various things she checked on there.
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Do they will have a long discussion?
[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you support blah, blah, blah, blah, and then yes or no.
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And so there are several of them that she checked.
[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you can just see exactly what they were looking at.
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But we also have, as you point out video with many of these things,
[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: where she is addressing these issues that she now completely disowns.
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And if we had a real media here and if we had a real Democratic candidate,
[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the real media would sit down with a real Democratic candidate.
[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And they would say, now this is, here's a video of what you said then.
[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you support now and why have you changed?
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And hold her feet to the fire as to why she actually changed.
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Because people do sometimes change.
[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You sometimes come up and say, you know, I felt this at this point
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and with more information, I think this now, and you can explain
[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: why you changed, but she's not doing that.
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And again, I've said, I don't have a problem with flip-flopping,
[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: especially if you flop to the right view.
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If you say, I no longer going to ban fracking. Great.
[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If you say, I used to be pro-abortion, but now I've seen some of the sonograms
[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm pro-life, welcome to the world of common sense.
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's not what's happening here.
[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You can almost say Kamala Harris has been right on every issue.
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know when.
[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yeah, I think this is why I don't think anyone's buying this.
[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if CNN isn't buying it, if no one's buying it.
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just and I and I and I think one of the reasons why you can't buy
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: is because when you ask her why she's changed, she can't answer your question.
[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And what she does on the on the fracking issue,
[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: she talks about how her administration oil production has grown.
[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's because a large majority of oil production
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and natural gas production is done on private lands, not federal lands.
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So the private the federal government really doesn't stop private lands.
[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't stop state controlled lands.
[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Where it stops is federal lands and offshore.
[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's where they've really imposed various kinds of restrictions
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and so forth. But on private lands, it typically moves fairly quickly.
[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, there are some other points where at one town hall in New Hampshire,
[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: ask if she supported the idea of adding a third gender
[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: to the federal identification cards and said, sure,
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I have my entire life and career been an ally.
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I see the issue of LGBTQ rights as a fundamental civil rights
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and human rights issue, period.
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, then gets a round of applause for that.
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So you have statement after statement after statement.
[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And if indeed, as you said, the mainstream media,
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure they're very much mainstream anymore.
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Did their work or just an investigative reporter
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: other than say, John Solomon is a people like that are going to do
[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: a real good job of that.
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I met Ty B and people like that.
[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: They these these would come out very quickly.
[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And Keisha, as you have already said, for the low information
[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: voter who right now says, oh, yeah, she seems like a nice person to vote for.
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: When they start hearing that, they're going to go, I had no idea.
[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. I mean, and that's the the the media's job is to reveal
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: those kinds of things.
[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And so if the media has a candidate in mind that they want to already win
[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and they decide we're just going to hide these things
[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's the kind of voter that's going to be impacted by that.
[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's begin just before we take a break.
[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I mentioned yesterday the fact that on Tuesday,
[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the House had a very special subcommittee meeting and headed up by Chip Roy.
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You know him very well.
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was the subcommittee chairman.
[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And there were all sorts of back and forth.
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But one of the things he reminded us of is a study done
[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: at an old Dominion University and George Mason University
[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: that estimated at that time, and that was back many years ago,
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 years ago, that about 6.4 percent of non-citizens at the time,
[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: which turned out to be about 1.2 million illegally voted in the 2008 election.
[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I won't go into all the details there, but we're not talking about,
[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, a huge number.
[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But he also points out that just even a few thousand
[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_03]: non-citizens voting would be significant.
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the people that spoke there was the Secretary of State for Florida,
[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Cord Byrd.
[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And Cord Byrd reminded everybody that the 2000 presidential election
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: was decided in favor of George W.
[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Bush in Florida over Al Gore by 537 votes.
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And then made the case that Miami-Dade alone,
[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the largest county in Florida, has over 715 precincts.
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: If you just had one illegal vote in each precinct,
[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: that could have decided the presidential election.
[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And even back then, if I remember right, when they were doing that one in 2008,
[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: they said if those non-citizens had not voted,
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that would have changed probably the U.S.
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Senate race in Minnesota.
[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You might remember that one and even the presidential vote in North Carolina.
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So when people say there's no widespread voter fraud
[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'll hold up my voter fraud booklet here, I would agree.
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But you don't need widespread voter fraud,
[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: just targeted voter fraud in some key precincts
[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: or states could make a difference, couldn't it?
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It could. And we do have evidence of some voter fraud going on out there
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: by people who are not registered or illegal.
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And in addition, several others, I say several,
[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: there's been a few cities that are allowing
[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: non-unbacumated immigrants to vote in what would be considered city elections.
[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not allowed to vote in federal elections.
[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But that has to be confusing to people if you're not paying that close.
[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was able to go vote here. Why can't I vote for this also?
[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And if they're holding those elections at the same time,
[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: then I can come in and I can only vote for, say, City Council.
[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But I can't vote for these federal people.
[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And what if I think I'm supposed to be able to do that?
[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that's going to play out yet, but it's a concerning trend.
[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, one of the things that was being focused on
[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: was passing what's called the SAVE Act, which is Safeguard American Voter Eligibility,
[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_03]: which would change the old 1993,
[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: which was oftentimes referred to as the motor voter law because you can get a license.
[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you can just show a license and you then can vote,
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: you may not be a citizen.
[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, there's all sorts of pushback from Jerry Nadler.
[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm trying to think of Mary Gay Scanlon about the fact
[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: this is a Republican talking point.
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So again, to hold up my booklet, when I did this years ago,
[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the only examples I used were of Democrats accusing other Democrats
[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: of voter fraud, because oftentimes the argument is, well,
[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that's just an attempt on Republicans trying to actually suppress the vote.
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So all the examples I used were examples where Democrats were upset
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Democrats about voter fraud in the primaries.
[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And so if some of that goes on in the primaries,
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think a reasonable person would expect that it might happen
[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in the general election.
[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And so people say, what can we do?
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I know why don't you be a precinct
[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: worker or why don't you be
[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: somebody that actually is an election judge?
[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And that might make a difference.
[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, this issue of immigration surfaces once again,
[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: in this case on non-citizen voting.
[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
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