Point of View September 12, 2024 – Hour 2 : Nothing Is Wasted

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: JOKES Many recently, we spent some time really talking

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: more about some of these emotional issues.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: We've always had them, but we recognise that now because so many changes

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: have taken place in our world, because some challenges in terms of

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_00]: mental health, people need more help

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: than ever dealing with trauma, tragedy, and major life transitions.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is an hour in which we're going to focus on a new book

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: this been out just a few months. Nothing is wasted a true story of hope, forgiveness and finding purpose in pain.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It is written by Davy Blackburn, forward by our good friend Levi Lusko who is the pastor up there in Montana.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that connection in just a minute. But an incredible story first of all of losing his wife nine years ago,

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: but now developing a ministry that I think will be very helpful for you to know about.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He is the founder and director of Nothing is Wasted Ministries and an individual that is really helping you deal with some of these issues of trauma and tragedy.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a curriculum Pain to Purpose that you may want to know about and we have information about that on the website.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There is also the podcast, Nothing is Wasted podcast, about three million downloads, 300 episodes.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We have links first of all to Nothingiswasted.com, DavyBlackburn.com and of course the book since it's been out now probably you can find it in your local bookstore.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It is published by Forefront and it has five sections, 22 chapters but if not we've made it easy for you to order online as well.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Davy welcome to Point of View.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah thanks Kirby, it's great to be on with you.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to nine years ago, Tuesday which probably originally looked like any other Tuesday but it changed your world in so many dramatic ways

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and ultimately led to this founding of a ministry, Nothing is Wasted.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that it was you know just started out to be a normal Tuesday I think a lot of times for most of us.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: We have no idea when our life is going to be turned completely upside down and that was the case for me on November 10th.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I left to go to the gym early in the morning and while I was away at the gym there were three men who were on a random crime spree in our city of Indianapolis.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: They broke into the home three doors down from us and saw me leave for the gym and decided to take that opportunity to break into our home.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: We were pastors and church planters in the area, lived in a really safe neighborhood so never would have thought that anything like this could have happened to us

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: especially since we had answered a call four years earlier to leave our comfortable jobs and leave a position at a church that we thought would be it for the rest of our lives to follow after a call to plant a church.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So when you think man I'm following after God's will, I'm in the center of God's will, this has got to be the safest place to be.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't think anything like this is going to happen and so I came home and discovered Amanda on our living room floor.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: She was breathing still but she was unconscious and we got her to the hospital and 24 hours later she was pronounced officially deceased due to gunshot wounds from this home invasion.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible. Let me just mention too that there has been just an incredible amount of praise.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I of course mentioned the pastor but there are others, Dave Ramsey and Craig Rochelle, Andy Stanley, just a whole series of pastors many of whom have been on the program who have endorsed your book as well.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we certainly need to take people through the journey that you went through because now you have developed a ministry to take others through that journey.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But my goodness, just give us a little bit of a sense.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a child, we're talking about loss of child and all sorts of other things.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: There's just trauma after trauma that we can get into.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, a difficult book to read, probably even more difficult to write but you had to do that so that you can help people understand especially now as you minister to them that you're a fellow traveler.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But talk about those few days after because that is when at first it's just shock and then it's just an overwhelming amount of grief and a sense of where do I go next?

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain that to us?

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, I mean overnight my life was turned upside down.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I now just lost my best friend, my soulmate, my ministry partner, a single dad to a 15-month-old.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: She was pregnant with her second so I also lost a baby, a baby in the process of that.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then our story became a national news story.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So most people get to tuck away in grief and private but we were forced to now be exposed to so many media outlets who were clamoring to hear more about the story.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And then on top of that trying to pastor the church that we had started and help them sort through their grief.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it was just layer upon layer upon layer of complication.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're right, initially it was just shock.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we could not believe that anything like this would happen to us and so I just felt like I was walking around in a fog, just numb.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And probably a lot of denial, a lot of the things that you hear and that if you've experienced loss that you've experienced as well.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But then after a few weeks, man I remember as life started to go back to normal for people and they're leaving town going back,

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I found myself in a really dark place.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It was like all of the grief began setting in on me.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: One way I can describe it is all my love for Amanda was festering and rotting inside of me.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So not only was I emotionally and spiritually distraught and agony, my body was excruciatingly in pain.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And part of it was because I did not know where to put my grief.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that I had to be strong for my son or for my congregation.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was suppressing all of it, pushing it down, not wanting to deal with it, not sure how to deal with it.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And just felt lost and confused.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And you mentioned it earlier, Pastor Levi Lesko, that was right about a month after Amanda passed away when I was just at my Wits Inn.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And I felt like I had experienced a lot of what you experience in the Psalms where you, you know,

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: David writes in the Psalms where he's got one chapter where he's like, God, I feel you so near to me.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Your breath is on my neck.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and then the next chapter he's like, where are you?

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You abandoned me.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And it felt like this tossing to and fro of emotions where there'd be some mornings I would wake up with a peace that I didn't understand

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and then other mornings I quite frankly didn't want to wake up.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to end my life.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't imagine living without her.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was right about a month mark that Pastor Levi Lesko intercepted me.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And he reminded me, I was reading about it in his book, The Eyes of a Lion.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, Dave, you need to run toward the roar.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a place that you can put this grief that instead of suppressing it, denying it, trying to numb or cope with it,

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: instead bring it to the feet of Jesus and confront those triggers that are you're experiencing,

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the things that are inciting this kind of grief in your life, confront those head on and God will meet you there.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And he really taught me the art of and the practice of lament and what it means to bring these really deep existential questions,

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: all the anger and all the rage, bring it to the feet of Jesus.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll tell you that was a turning point for me in my healing journey.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take a break and when we come back, we want to talk about the healing.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when we come back, I also just thought for a minute you had another layer which others have had to deal with

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and that is a criminal investigation, court cases and the rest for a listener out there that maybe has been through a loss of a loved one

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: or a rape or an assault or something like that.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Just at a time when you're starting to get healthy, you're starting to heal, then you get drug back into the case.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And so in some respects, your experience might be helpful to others.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: In other cases, people are dealing with a trauma of losing a job, but sometimes there's still those things that remind you of that.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And you think I'm actually doing pretty well and then 10 minutes later you're not.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So when we come back from the break, I want to talk about that.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But more importantly, also want to get to some of the things that you have developed because I want our listeners to even during the break,

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: go to nothingiswasted.com.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have a chance to write that out right now, you can certainly find that linked on the website.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a place to get connected, get inspired, get a plan, get guide.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we also will be talking about the podcast and of course there's also a link to davidblackburn.com.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: All of that is available at the website including the book which you can get as well or find in your local bookstore.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my Point of View.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: David Blackburn and again we have a link to his website.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We also have information about nothingiswasted.com

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course that is the title of the book, A True Story of Hope, Forgiveness and Finding Purpose in Pain.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And David for just a minute while we're talking about the lament and talking about pain and grief,

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to get certainly to forgiveness and redemption and all of that.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to let people know it's not all going to be dark.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But you mentioned something very quickly that's maybe worth coming back to and that is,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a lot about this but I did write a book decades ago on death and dying.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've often times told people that the best thing you can do for a person if they are going through a funeral

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is sometimes they'll say what can I do now?

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I go no, put on your calendar two weeks from now and call them up

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and don't take no for an answer come over because that's when it really hits.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a busyness of really burying Amanda and your child and everything.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then as you said, that's when the dark clouds came in.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when the dark night of the soul begins, isn't it?

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's correct.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of people aren't aware of that.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They'll show up initially which is great.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's the weeks following that really everything begins to set in and the shock wears off.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That's when God's people, I believe, need to come and surround people.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The power of presence and the ministry of presence is the best thing that we can do.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Instead of showing up to try to solve or resolve people's pain, give them pat answers

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: or pithy theological phrases where you say well at least she's in a better place

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: or at least you're young and you'll find love again.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are well-meaning but not helpful phrases.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But to show up, sit with somebody, care for them, love on them, give them a hug,

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: cry with them and just be there.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I think really great community says not, hey it's going to be okay.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: They say really great community gathers around you and says I'm going to walk with you

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: until you can say it's going to be okay.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what I believe God calls us to when there's people in our life

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: who are experiencing the death or loss of a loved one.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Just leave the comments, the platitudes, the spiritual insights aside.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when the book View from a Hearse, Joe Bailey talked about the fact

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that after he lost his second son and all that,

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: he had one individual came and shared all sorts of scripture and talked

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and talked about very significant promises God gave him

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and he said I couldn't wait for him to leave.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He said I had a second person come and just sit and listen

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and cry with me and I hated to see him go.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems to me that sometimes we feel like we have to say something

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: about the ministry of presence.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Just before we go on to some of the other aspects,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you are in a unique situation but not totally unique

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: because there are other listeners right now that have had a loved one

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: or they have been assaulted, they've been raped, something like that.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this time in which you were in the media spotlight,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a criminal investigation, there's court cases and all the rest,

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that made a problem worse because just about the time I suspect

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Davey was starting to feel good,

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: then all that comes crashing back in on you again.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you speak to that?

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's correct.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Up until the arrests were made of these three men,

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: it was a faceless, nameless crime and I was really just sorting through

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: the feelings of sadness, of despair, of grief,

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: of having lost my best friend and my spouse.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But then when I saw these three men and all of a sudden

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it became something that was very personal,

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that's when I began to experience feelings I'd never experienced before,

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: quite frankly. I mean, dark experiences of rage and anger and bitterness

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and it really threatened to overtake me.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It scared me a lot.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I was a pastor prior to all of this happening

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so I preached messages, great messages that said,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: hey if you've experienced the radical forgiveness of Jesus

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a spiritual impossibility to have experienced it

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and not be willing to extend it as well.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I preached on Matthew chapter 18

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and all of these different things that

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: where we're trusting God with forgiveness,

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: trusting Him with vengeance, but here I was now in a situation

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: where I was confronted with the reality of,

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: David do you really believe what you say you believe?

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you going to walk this out?

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And so initially what I had to do is I had to recognize

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: that forgiveness is not a feeling.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I was never going to feel like forgiving,

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but in fact instead it was a decision,

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: a daily decision that I was going to have to make.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And that decision was more, honestly Kirby,

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: it was more selfish because the opposite,

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_04]: bitterness and resentment, it was going to destroy me

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was going to destroy the people around me

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: that I love, my son and my family members.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It was going to, as my counselor said,

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it was going to ooze out of me sideways.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Unless we let God transform our pain

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: we will transfer it inevitably onto other people.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I had to make that decision,

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what, I'm going to release this

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and what that was was me trusting God

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that He's a better arbiter,

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: a better judge, a better avenger than I am.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That He's going to make this right.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what forgiveness is really all about.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm saying all this stuff in a short amount of time,

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but it did not take, it was a long process

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: for me to get to that.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's part of what I chronicle in the book

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: is some of the amazing conversations

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and the things that the Lord,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_04]: just this divine revelation that the Lord gave me

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: as I encountered other people

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and as I began to learn these men's stories.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Jesus says pray for your enemies.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He says pray for those who persecute you,

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: love your enemies.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And then He says when your enemy is hungry

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: give them something to eat.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: When he's thirsty, give him something to drink.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is a total upside down approach to this.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That now when we forgive,

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: we're not just forgiving and granting mercy

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: just like Jesus did for us

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: but we're also doing what Jesus did for us

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and granting grace,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: which is unmerited favor and compassion

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: that we don't deserve.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that was where the journey began to turn

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: as I began to learn some of these men's stories

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and the pain that they had gone through.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This weird strange thing that only the Holy Spirit

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: could do in my heart came over me

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: where I began to form compassion for them.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And what scripture says is when we do these things,

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: then what it does is it keeps burning coals

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: on their head and God rewards us.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But more importantly what happens

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: is it takes the battle to the spiritual

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: where we are undoing the work of the real enemy.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Because the real enemy wants us to get paralyzed

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and stuck in our resentfulness and our unforgiveness

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and he wants to win the day twice in our life.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we have to do is decide,

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what, I'm not letting him win the day twice.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to partner with God

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm going to fight with weapons of righteousness

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: in this upside down kingdom

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and open up the opportunity

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: for forgiveness and reconciliation

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: to even come into these perpetrators' lives.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is wasted.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: A true story of hope, forgiveness

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and finding purpose and pain.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Davey Blackburn and I might just mention

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: since we were talking about the book

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the first section when tragedy strikes

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: five chapters there

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: then the battle has only just begun

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of course the issue of forgiveness

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and fear and grief

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and some others.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What the enemy meant for evil

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: of course God can use for good

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: walking with a limp

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of course that's applying Jacob

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and walking with a broken hip

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and then the end of one chapter

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and the beginning of another

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of redemption.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Real quickly, before we take a break

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we have talked about grief

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: we've talked about forgiveness

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: there's one that's kind of interesting

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't necessarily

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: come easily

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and probably surprises most people

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: guilt.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you also feel

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: guilt that you had

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: after Amanda's death?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you speak to that?

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, most certainly.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know for me acutely

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: what I was feeling guilt over

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: is I didn't lock the door that morning.

[00:18:57] Yeah.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And so

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and I share about that in the book

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: very openly about that wrestling

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and just how I had to

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: really wrestle that down

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: with the Lord

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and also with her dad

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and talk about a conversation

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that we had there in the book

[00:19:08] and

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of people

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: deal with guilt

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_04]: whether it's survivors guilt

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: or whether it's guilt

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that they think

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that they could have done

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: something to prevent

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: or stop this

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: it is a difficult thing

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: because guilt

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: will further complicate grief.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Guilt on top of grief

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: will paralyze you

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and the reality is

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: is that I had to come

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: to this place and realize

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: there's nothing that I could have

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: done differently

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to stop this

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that this passed through the hands

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: of a loving father

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and he could have prevented it

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and he chose not to.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: For what reason?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I don't think I'll know

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: until I stand in front of Jesus

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and see him face to face

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and then it will all make sense

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: but right now

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I have to trust

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that even the things

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: that are difficult in my life

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that passes through the hands

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: of a sovereign

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: holy God

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that it's for my good

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's for somehow

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: it's for the good of the world too

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's for his glory

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: the only way to really

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: remedy the guilt

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're feeling in your lives

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: is to really recognize

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the sovereignty of God

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and the grace that he's bestowed

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: on our lives

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: in the midst of

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever mistakes that we've made.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a break

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: when we come back

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: of course we've been talking about

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the idea of running towards the roar

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: which would make sense

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're familiar with Levi Lesko

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: but we'll certainly talk

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: a little more about that

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: but then

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: we move into

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: a new season of contentment

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and then the whole issue

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: of what that might mean

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of redemption

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course the issue

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: of reconciliation

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: after this issue of forgiveness

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and much, much more

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and those of you

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that are not near a computer right now

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you might want to get something

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to write with

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because we're going to talk about

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the ways

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: in which you can connect up

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: with this ministry

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the resources

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that are there

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the way you can maybe follow the podcast

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the curriculum

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and a number of other things

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: so we will certainly try to end the story

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: with some of the great positive things

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that have happened

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but also then want to put in your hands

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: a number of resources

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that will help you

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because you may be going through this right now

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're not

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: you may know someone who is

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and if nothing else

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: we want to prepare you

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: for something that may happen in the future

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: it's all part of this book

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing Is Wasted

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: A True Story of Hope

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Forgiveness and Finding Purpose in Pain

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll be back

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: right after this

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it almost seems like

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: we live in a different world

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: from many people

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in positions of authority

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they say men can be women

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and women men

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: people are prosecuted differently

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: or not at all

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: depending on their politics

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: criminals are more valued

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and rewarded

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: than law-abiding citizens

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: it's so overwhelming

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: so demoralizing

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you feel like giving up

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but we can't

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: we shouldn't

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: we must not

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: as Winston Churchill said to Britain

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: in the darkest days of World War II

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: never give in

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: never give in

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: never, never, never

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: never yield to force

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's what we say to you today

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: this is not a time to give in

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but to step up

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and join Point of View

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in providing clarity in the chaos

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: we can't do it alone

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but together

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: with God's help

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: we will overcome the darkness

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: invest in Biblical clarity today

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: at pointofview.net

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[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Point of View will continue after this

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you are listening to Point of View

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[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: of the management or staff of this station

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and now here again is Kirby Anderson

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: with us once again David Byburn

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and again he is the author of this book

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing Is Wasted

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and Davey you know as we read through the book

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: we come to a whole section here

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: called The New Season of Contentment

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and I would think some people right now might say

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a horrible tragedy

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course it's even more poignant

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: because you have all these color pictures of you

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course your wife

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and just all the things that were happening in your life

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and all that could have been going on

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and then again now you're talking about contentment

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: now of course the scriptures tell us

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and Paul tells us that I have learned to be content

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: so there's a process

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe that would be helpful for just a minute

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: because ultimately as you have gone through this season

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you're now developing and have developed a ministry

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to help others go through that season

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: can you explain?

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean I think you referenced

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the perfect point of reference right there in scripture

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Paul says I've learned to be content in all seasons

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: no matter what

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is a man who experienced so much suffering

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean he outlines it for us

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: very few people in this world have experienced the suffering

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that Paul had

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and yet he said I've learned to be content

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and when you look at scripture

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you see all the people

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you know I used to live with this fundamental belief

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that as long as I was following after Jesus

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: everything was going to be good for me

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know I'd be healthy, wealthy and wise

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I walked through crisis

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I realized that was Benjamin Franklin that said that

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: about going to bed early and waking up early

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that wasn't Jesus that said that

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Jesus actually said in this world you will have trouble

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but take heart for I've overcome the world

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and he said right before that

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I tell you this so you can have peace

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: so Jesus' message, the gift that Jesus brings to us as believers

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_04]: is that whatever season we walk through

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: we can have peace

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_04]: we can walk with contentment

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and it is a journey

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_04]: there are things that completely derail and upend our lives

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and so we're journeying with Jesus through the valley of the shadow of death

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to find that peace and contentment again

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but that is there available to us

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the people that followed Jesus the closest in scripture

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: their lives ended horribly

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: we look at Hebrews 11 at the end of that

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: where it says people were sawn in two

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_04]: but it says they considered it worth it

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: for the cause of Christ

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and then it says the world was not worthy of them

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and one I would describe that about Amanda

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think this world was worthy of her

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: she was such an amazing, amazing person

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but then those of us who are left behind

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: our cross to carry is to walk this road of suffering

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so that we can experience resurrection

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the same way that Peter tells us

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and so now what we're doing as a ministry

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: is we're helping people

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: as they're walking their own road of suffering

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever that pain point might be

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: whether it is a loss of a loved one

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: or whether it's divorce

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: or childhood trauma

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: or abuse

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: or sexual betrayal

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: it doesn't matter

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: pain visits all of us

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and pain can be paralyzing

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and what the enemy wants to do is stop

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and stifle the purposes that God has for your life

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and he'll often use pain and trauma

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: major life transition to do that

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: if he can't steal our salvation

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: what he will try to do is neutralize

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: our effectiveness for the kingdom of God

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and so we are on a mission in a crusade

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: to help people not get stuck

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in the middle of their valley

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but instead to heal with Jesus

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: to become whole again

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they come out on the other side

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: with this renewed sense of purpose and mission

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and so as a ministry we have content online

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: both free and membership content

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: we've got an entire community

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: where you can connect with others

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: who have gone through the same thing

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're going through

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we've got dozens of coaches

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: trauma certified coaches

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: that have each walked their own pain path

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and so let's say someone comes to our ministry

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and they just lost a child

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: we connect them with our child loss

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: trauma certified coach

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: who can say hey I've been there

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and just like a Sherpa taking you to Mount Everest

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: they say I know what you're going to experience

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: let me walk with you in this

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we take that entire ecosystem

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and we walk beside churches

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: college campuses

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: correctional facilities

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and we deposit that ecosystem

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: with pain to purpose the course being

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the helm of that into these churches

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so churches offer this as a class

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: small groups

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's amazing to see the profound healing

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that's happening in people's lives

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: all over the country

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and all over the world

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: now really largely out of

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the suffering and the pain

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that we walk through

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't understand it quite Kirby

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't make a whole lot of sense of it

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but even when things are senseless in our life

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: we can still have meaning and purpose

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and we can partner with God to repurpose

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the pain that we've gone through

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: again we have a link to

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: nothingiswasted.com

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: scroll down to the bottom there's a place

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: where you can put your name and email

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a way in which you can get the

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: updates, the newsletter and you have a

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: free ebook

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: thriving in trial

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would highly recommend that you

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: get this copy of this book or we have

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: information about that on our website

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: as well and you can learn

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more about everything from

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the blog which I would encourage you to

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: subscribe to which is

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the podcast and the blog and some of the other

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: material that is there and of course we talked about

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the curriculum pain to purpose

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but one other thought came to mind

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's a picture of you with

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Levi Lesko, of course I know

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: him and I'm now getting to know you a little

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: better I want you to speak to that issue

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: for just a minute because he was

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: willing to reach out to you

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and there are a lot of listeners right now that

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: know that their pastor

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is in pain they have

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: dealt with some really difficult

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: things they've lost a loved one, a

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: child maybe they've been

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: actually removed from

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the ministry for reasons

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that aren't even necessarily fair

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever it might be and yet

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: our tendency is I think

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to think well the ministries

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and the ministers and the pastors

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: they got it all straightened out

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and so I don't need to reach out

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and isn't it striking

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that one pastor and

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: minister who has a really

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: busy life in Montana

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: was willing to reach out to another

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: guy in Indianapolis

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think that is a

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: reminder that maybe we

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: as we think about people in pain

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: trauma, tragedy

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: or maybe even a major life transition

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: because they're no longer the pastor of that church

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe we should be reaching out to them

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's absolutely

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: true. I can't remember I think it was Dietrich

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Bonhoeffer that I read

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: he wrote this at one point he said

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_04]: there are certain things in our healing that only God

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: can do and there are certain things that

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: he won't do because he's inviting

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: us as fellow believers to

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: do that for somebody

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that's part of the whole kingdom of God

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that he is inviting us collectively

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: to be the body of Christ and that's when the body

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of Christ is the most effective

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_04]: is when it's the body ministering to the body

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're right pastors are

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: just as hurting, just as reeling

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: in a lot of situations, just as

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: they feel

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: in many situations they feel more alone

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: because they're the one that is

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the shepherd and the caretaker

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: for their parishioners

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but who does that for them?

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I was so fortunate Kirby to have

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: so many pastors including

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Pastor Levi Lusko reach out to me

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in this situation and it was

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: a hammock of grace and under

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: girding that I needed in that situation

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: while I was trying to pastor my congregation

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: through the whole thing I needed others

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_04]: to be a support system for me

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's what

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you're going to find in the book is you read this book

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and you'll realize man I'm not the expert in this

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: walking through trauma at least

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: back then I didn't feel like I knew

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: anything about it but God

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: led me through the valley so when people read the book

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want them going man Davey's an incredible guy

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I want them going man God's an incredible God

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and look at all of these pivotal

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: providential relationships he brought into

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Davey's life at just the right moment

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: the right time to

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: fill him with hope, to give him encouragement

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to just give him the boost that he needed

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: to go into the next season

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think that I would encourage everybody

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: if you get the prompting to reach out to anybody

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: don't deny that prompting

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_04]: more than likely that's the Holy Spirit

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: that is putting out in your heart

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and you may never know how that

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: changes the trajectory of somebody's life

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You do talk about this

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: idea of joining the community too

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and it does seem to me that if we're

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: speaking right now to pastors

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: or people that have pastors

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that are in their lives that maybe need this

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: this idea of getting in a community

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: is I think another aspect

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: of ministry

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and actually focusing

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: on the kind of healing that comes

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: after trauma and tragedy

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Right? Yeah, that's so true

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad you mentioned this, Duke, because one of the

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: things that we just began doing is we've been

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: helping churches create healing environments

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: for people. We realized there's a lot of pastors

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and ministry leaders who are also

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: reeling with their own trauma

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and they buried it and suppressed it

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it is but something about the landscape

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_04]: after COVID of the

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: church, it just did change

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and it shook a lot of pastors

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_04]: moral failures

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: or they just left the ministry or they're truly

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: discouraged and so we began an arm of our ministry

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: called the Healing Leader

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_04]: which is the byline is healthy leaders

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: creating healing communities

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: where we coach pastors and ministry leaders

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and help them whether they're going through crisis

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: or whether they're going through whatever

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: we would call a caution zone where it's like

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: they're kind of seeing the white water rapid

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: personally in their life, or interpersonally

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: in their life, or they're going into a

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: season of convergence where they feel like their assignment

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: is shifting and God's got a new season

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: for them. Whatever it is

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this is one of the most amazing things that our ministry does

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to coach

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and help pastors as they are leading

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: these communities of people

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: who are healing. Let's take a break

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and let me just mention as we go to the break

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you can also go to DavyBlackburn.com

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a place where you can maybe

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: also schedule him to come and speak

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: certainly now that the book is out that is an opportunity

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: when we come back you might say

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: okay what's next?

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we need to bring Christy into the

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: picture and talk about from

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a broken family to a blended family

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_00]: so we've got a lot more to cover. It's all

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: part of this book, Nothing is

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Wasted. Davy Blackburn with us

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and we'll come back and finish off

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the conversation that you need to hear

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: as we talk about moving from

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: pain to ultimate contentment.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back right after this.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We're listening to Point of View

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: your listener supported

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: source for truth. Back once again

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: as we talk about the book, Nothing is Wasted

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: a true story of hope and

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: forgiveness and finding purpose in

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: pain. 22 chapters

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: 5 sections and again written

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: by Davy Blackburn and Davy I guess it's about

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: time to mention the fact that

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you are remarried and to talk about

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Christy and

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that you are not only

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a blended family but

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: one that has actually a

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: new child in the midst of all

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: of that as well. Can you finish the rest

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_00]: of the story?

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know I got to a place

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_04]: where one I felt like God had taken me

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: on a healing journey enough to

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe begin poking my head up

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and see you know would he maybe

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: have another wife

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_04]: for me, another meaningful marriage that I could.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But I got to a place where it was also

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I was feeling hopeless and in despair about that.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I had a

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: beautiful love story with Amanda and there was no way

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't fathom

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: finding somebody else and having that kind

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of connection and that kind of friendship

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with somebody else.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But then this one day I was

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: working out in a gym and this girl walks

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_04]: into the gym and I didn't know anything about her

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was like one of those halo

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of dove descends from heaven

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: heavens opened up kind of moment. It was just

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_04]: this and it woke my heart up Kirby.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't describe it any other way that my heart

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: woke up and it didn't make sense to me because

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: one, I didn't know if this girl loved Jesus.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know anything. But I'd been praying up

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to that moment God if you were to bring me

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: another wife would you, one, make

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: sure she loves you more than she loves me.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the most important thing. That was the most important

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_04]: quality about Amanda and that's

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: what I would want in another wife. Two,

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: would she love me too? That'd be awesome as

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: well. Would she love Weston as if

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: he were her own? And would

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_04]: she love

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Amanda

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: because that was really important. My new

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_04]: assignment and calling was to carry Amanda's

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: story and help other people in pain and I knew that I

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: needed somebody who was going to be secure

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: enough and who they were in Christ

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that they could sit on the front row of me speaking at a

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: church and not just tolerate that but champion

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it with me. That they were shining their own light.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: They weren't living in someone else's shadow.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And this girl walks in and

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: man I didn't, you know, for the next three

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_04]: months she avoided me like the plague. Now

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: she started to go to the church that I

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: pastored with some other friends of

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: hers that were at that CrossFit gym and

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: she'd come in every single week, drop her daughter

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: off and she'd come in and engage

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: in worship and take notes and started serving in

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: our church and I knew there was a story but I wasn't

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: really sure so I

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: would try to position myself in the atrium after

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_04]: preaching so that she would like

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: walk right into, you know, and she just kept avoiding

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: me. One night in the gym

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: talk about how I cornered her very

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: pastorally. You know, it wasn't creepy at all

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: but she said otherwise.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But I started asking her about her story

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and then she disclosed to me

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: that she was so close to my story

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: it would probably make me feel uncomfortable.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I said what do you mean?

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: She said well, Davey, my stepdad is one of

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the chaplains for the Marion County Prison

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: System and he visits the three

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: men that killed your wife in

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: jail every week and shares the gospel with

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: them. Wow.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. Kirby, I just

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: was dumbfounded. I didn't

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: it was like in that moment I was like

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: man, God is doing something right here.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt this immediate

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: pull into almost like a Jim and Elizabeth

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Elliott kind of story. Like

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_04]: you, God, you would put me this close

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm intrigued by this girl

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and now she's that close to my story

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and so all that could come out

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: of my mouth was do you want to go

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_04]: grab some dinner?

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And after a few months I convinced

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: her to go on a date with me and

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: a few months later I convinced her to marry

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: me. We got married at the end of 2017

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and blended our family and

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: blended families are not easy.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It's difficult especially helping young

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: kids navigate the trauma that they've

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: experienced as well. But it's

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: been a beautiful thing and I always tell people

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_04]: redemption is not the moment

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: where God restores back to you

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_04]: what you lost because frankly in this lifetime

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: there are things and people that we lose

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that cannot be replaced.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But redemption happens the moment we

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: decide that we're not going to partner

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: with the enemy in our stories and get stuck in our

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: trauma but we're going to partner with God

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to take back our story and

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: to leverage our pain to help other

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: people. And that's when

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: God begins to do this redemptive work in

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: our lives but he is so good to overflow

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: our cups and put the icing on the cake

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of our stories that he will do these

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: unique personal custom designed

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: things that only he can

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: get the credit for to write

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: beautiful stories and he's

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: written two beautiful love stories

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: in my life. I feel like I'm just

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the reporter telling everybody

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: about it. Let's begin

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk about some of the resources just before you

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: go and first of all if you get the book

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: you'll have most of it because there's

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: a whole section here on the Nothing

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: is Wasted podcast.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Then there's a section about individualized

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: coaching and how you can

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: begin to start that journey

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and we've already talked about

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that as well. But in between

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: there of course is the pain to purpose

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: course and even a pain to

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: purpose 42 day devotional

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course we've also

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about the fact that there are some other

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: resources that people can sign up for

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: your ebook Thriving in Trial

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think the first step

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: for people that wanted to maybe contact

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: you would be to go to the Nothing

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: is Wasted dot com website

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and so talk about what they need

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to click on so they can find out more.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah if you go to Nothing

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: is Wasted dot com you're going to see at the

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_04]: top this thing that says menu

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and you can peruse through all of those

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_04]: resources and kind of take your pick at

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: which one you may feel like is the best one

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but there's also a place where you can it says start

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_04]: here and that's a zoom call

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that I host every single month. It's called

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: five steps to taking back your story

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'll share a little bit more in depth over that

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: hour of my story, some of

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: how God met me in the story

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and that healing journey and how he wants to meet you

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: in that healing journey and some of the resources

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that we provide at Nothing is Wasted Ministries

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: where you can take advantage of those.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I might just mention too

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that there is a video course

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: so that would be available to

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: individuals or even a

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: church group and I know that we have

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people that say you know maybe

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: it would be good to start a small group for people

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that have been dealing with trauma and tragedy

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: in their life but if you also

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: go to the other link that we have

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: DavyBlackburn.com

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a place where people can

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: learn more about having you come and speak

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and I suspect that now that book is out

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and now that more and more people

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: especially on this national broadcast have heard about

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: this, there would be people who would like to have you

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: come and actually address

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that issue so that's available

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: as well isn't it?

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that's correct. Yeah it has been a pretty crazy

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: busy season Kirby but we're finding so much

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: meaning and purpose in helping other people

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and without fail after I get done speaking

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: people are coming up in this long

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_04]: receiving line and they're telling me their

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_04]: story and that just reminds me there's so

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: many people that are listening to this right now. You are dealing

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: with your own story of heartache, pain

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_04]: of trauma but

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: what we want you to know is that God is with you

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: in all of it and he will see you through this

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and we'd love to be a guide to help you

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: along the way. I might just mention

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: too a lot of people might find themselves stuck

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with grief, stuck with

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: guilt, stuck with not being

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: able to be forgiving

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and so in some respects that's why

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_00]: the counseling can really help people

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: over some of those places

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: just as a door gets stuck and you need somebody

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to unstick it. I think

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Davey you are one of those individuals that can

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: provide that service as well for individuals

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_00]: so first of all thank

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you for all that you've been through

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: thank you for writing this book, thank

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you for putting together this incredible website

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: which we point people to on our website

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: at pointofview.net

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and most importantly thank you for giving us an hour

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: today to share the story.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you Kirby, this has been an honor

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate the time. Well again

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_00]: just before we go let me just mention that

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: we are talking about first of all the book

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is Wasted, a

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: true story of hope, forgiveness

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and finding and he is a national speaker

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: a podcaster, an individual

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that certainly you may want to know more

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: about and that's why we wanted to focus

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: on this rather difficult story

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: today so that you would know more.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course the website is very easy

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_00]: nothingiswasted.com

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: hit either the button start here

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: or the menu and follow along

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and just an incredible story

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that he shares about pain

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and suffering, trauma

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and the rest but also just

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: sharing various ways

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that you can find hope and

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: joy even in the midst of a trial

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: or sorrow. Why

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: forgiveness is really the key

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: to freedom and

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: where and how to find purpose

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_00]: even in the midst of our deepest pain

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: we need to learn to accept

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: in some respects what has happened

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_00]: we may not even have the answer to the why

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but certainly it's going to be

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: an opportunity for us

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in the midst of trauma or tragedy

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: or even a major life transition

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to apply biblical

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: principles to our lives.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So again we encourage you

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