Point of View September 11, 2024 – Hour 1 : International Christian Concerns

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Point of View.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for joining me.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It is the Wednesday edition of Point of View.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And I might just mention that as you might imagine, we will talk a little bit about

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the debate that took place last night.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The one and only presidential debate.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty clear now there will not be another.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't have a vice presidential debate until October 1st.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: By that time, you will have already had early voting in five states.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Matter of fact, starting next week in Pennsylvania, you already have early voting in four other states.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Within that two week period.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So many of those individuals will vote before we even have a vice presidential debate.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll come back and make some comments about that in just a minute.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But let me also mention the bottom of the hour, we have Jeff King with us.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to talk about his work at the International Christian Concern.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Talking about issues of religious freedom and persecution.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Next hour, Michael Scott will be with us.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He is the CEO and founding partner of Pinnacle Peak Pictures and Pure Flix.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be talking about this new film, God's Not Dead in God We Trust.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'll come back with some final comments as well.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, let me just say, I'll try to keep this in an organized way,

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: which is a lot better than you could say about what happened last night in the debate.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I am sympathetic to the fact that some people say, you know,

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't want to get involved in politics.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I would kind of just want to turn a blind eye to it.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Because if that's what politics is, I want nothing to do with it.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just want to at least say to our younger listeners out here,

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: these debates have changed dramatically.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: There were a time when there was some back and forth.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And take it from a guy that's been watching debate since 1960.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So it'd be what, 64 years.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: That goes back to, you know, John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And debates between Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, George Herbert Walker Bush and Ross Perot and Bill Clinton.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And all the way down to some of the more recent ones, of course,

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: where you've had Donald Trump.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And also, of course, first Hillary Clinton, then Joe Biden,

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and now again Kamala Harris.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But let's again acknowledge that a lot of the pushing, shoving,

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: shouting, screaming, name calling, finger pointing,

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't affect your faith, your family, your freedom very much.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: You still have to pay attention to policies.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And those policy differences, though poorly illustrated last night,

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: are going to mean a lot more to you.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, people always want to know winner, loser.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to put it in this category.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Winner, loser, biggest loser.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Winner, I think you'd have to say Kamala Harris.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Low expectations came in.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Certainly misrepresented a lot of things.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a nice way of saying lied about lots of things.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Either she doesn't know that or she was knowing it and lied anyway.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll get to that in just a minute.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of that, the loser is Donald Trump

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: because he just doesn't seem to be able to keep off focus.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But the biggest loser I think are the moderators.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And certainly many people said the biggest loser was ABC.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But the two moderators, David Muir and Lindsay Davis,

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: if for no other reason than either you're going to do lots of fact

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: checking or you just don't do any.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But the two times David Muir decided to do fact checking, one was on crime.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you've listened to this program or you even receive my daily commentary,

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: most recently was in August, August 20th, but I've done one before that as well,

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you hear these statements being made that crime is down according to the FBI.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you've heard us talk about this at all,

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: or if you want to go to the website, pointofview.net and type in crime explosion,

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: we give you the reasons why they can get away with saying that

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: because there are two ways that crime is reported.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The national incident-based reporting,

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: which only counts the crime reported to the police,

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and then the national crime victimization survey,

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: which actually interviews essentially a quarter of a million people and say,

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: have you been a victim of crime?

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And guess what? Those numbers are much, much higher than that.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And so again, when this hand waving that has come,

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and we've seen it from Pete Boudachage,

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: we've seen it last night from David Muir,

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: we've heard it from people in the news.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Just again, it doesn't actually fit with our experience.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you feel like the crime has gone down in this country?

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you, if you've turned on television,

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: noticed that the crimes seem to be reported more?

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Now there could be that they decided to report more of them,

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think you all have a sense,

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: especially when you, as I've said before, walk into a CVS or Walgreens

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and everything's locked up because of property crime.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we've documented also the violent crime and all the rest.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And so to do a fact check on that was like, seriously?

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And to his credit, Donald Trump tried to at least explain

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that some of those numbers weren't even counting

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: some of the highest crime areas,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: which again just gives me a sense that somebody's been fiddling with those numbers.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, the other time he did a fact check was on Springfield, Ohio.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: We did mention that yesterday.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't have started by talking about eating a dog,

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: but I would say that we have almost 20,000 Haitian immigrants,

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: migrants, illegal immigrants, whatever you want to call them in Springfield, Ohio,

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: not to mention Aurora, Colorado,

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and all the other things that have happened in Denver and Chicago and New York.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, to do those fact checks were pretty amazing to me.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: On the other side, there were some times where if you're going to do some fact checks,

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: how about I would just give you six quick ones before we take the break,

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the statement by Kamala Harris that Donald Trump gets his marching orders from Project 2025.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, I've addressed that already.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I did a commentary on that.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about that before.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: As a matter of fact, when the leader of that project, Paul Dan, stepped down,

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: there were all sorts of people in Trump campaigns celebrating.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He says he's had not read it, and yet she used that again.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You once again have the Charlottesville hoax,

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: the idea that Donald Trump said that there were good people on both sides meant the neo-Nazis.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He did not say that.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He could have done better than quoting, I don't know,

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Waters and a variety of other individuals.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Sean Hannity could have just quoted the fact that that has been debunked even by a left-of-center fact check organization.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But nevertheless, that one just gets said time and time again.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: The fact that Donald Trump is calling for a national abortion ban when he's not specifically said so.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: The one about, well, those people that died were suckers and losers.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: That's been debunked many times by people that were there.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Sarah Huckabee Sanders even talked about that at the Republican convention.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when Donald Trump talked about the fact that if we elect these individuals,

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's talking about a fiscal or financial bloodbath because we will lose market share.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, no one even challenging the fact that Kamala Harris said no member of the US military is in the combat zone.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That would come as surprising to those in Syria, in Iraq,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: all sorts of people in the Navy right now being shot at by the Houthis and a variety of other places.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, if you're going to fact check, why don't we fact check both sides?

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is why so many people have become very frustrated by what oftentimes

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: perceives as a real significant bias towards the Democratic candidate and against the Republican candidate.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: More than a few people said it felt like three against one.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But I am just amazed, especially when we talk about some of this, were these individuals unaware of this?

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I do remember a while back when we talked about the hoax, the Charlottesville hoax.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: James Carville didn't know about that and David Rubin had to explain it to him for the first time.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But are they just unaware or do they know and they just willingly lie anyway?

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but we'll talk about the debate a little bit more right after this.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: One striking difference between Europe and America has been the temptation

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: many European countries to fall into totalitarianism.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Dennis Prager reminds us that after World War I, many of these countries embraced communism, fascism or Nazism.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a very good reason why.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: The primary beliefs that give rise to meaning in life were patriotism and the Judeo-Christian religion.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The senseless slaughter during the Great War, as it was called, challenged both of these foundations.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: National identity was seen as the cause of the war and religion was deemed unnecessary and perhaps a relic of the past.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: This void was left filled with communism in Russia, fascism in Italy and Nazism in Germany.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: In the U.S., there were communists and many other activists promoting their totalitarian temptations, but they never took root.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Americans did not lose their faith in religion, especially in Christianity.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Patriotism not only flourished, but Dennis Prager reminds us that the words under God were even inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance recited daily in American schools.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But the baby boomers born after World War II began to challenge God and country.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: These students were indoctrinated into secularism and anti-Americanism.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The generations that followed them grew up in a country that was less religious and more likely to criticize America's government and history.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Today we have a void that is similar to the one found in Europe a century ago.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Most likely the totalitarian temptation today will be a leftist totalitarianism that promotes leftist political correctness and bans free speech in religion.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_04]: There are many reasons to pray for a spiritual revival, but one of the more important reasons is to prevent this country from falling for the totalitarian temptation.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Once again, a couple more comments about the debate.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Now we're going to move on to other issues.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, let's just be honest.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: There have been other times in which people have been very concerned about the moderators.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw this list that was created by one of our friends here when Glenn Eifel was moderating a debate within Senator Barack Obama.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That goes back to 2008 and she did so when we found out later after signing a book deal to write a book about him.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That one was, I think, a little bit questioning.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Then CNN's Candy Crowley incorrectly quoting and correcting Mitt Romney on some statements that turned out he was right and she was wrong.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, I think that's going to show up with some of things David Murr said last night, but we'll see.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And then even George Stephanopoulos asking about a non-existent Republican intent to ban birth control,

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: which just came out of the blue and everybody's going, I don't even know what we're talking about here because it was just a talking point that had been developed within the Democratic Party.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't forget, of course, George Stephanopoulos used to be in the Clinton campaign and White House.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So some of this is a situation that anybody who walks into one of these debates is going to have to address.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But there were, I think, some problems and part of those have to do with the fact that this happened partially with Kamala Harris, but it happened a lot with Donald Trump.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: A statement would be made, but not enough context for at least many of the more low information voters to even understand what it meant.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't just make the statement and not explain it.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you're watching a clock there where they're telling you, you've got two minutes to say something profound.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But let me just take one example, and that is he tells the story about the Taliban.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, he didn't necessarily bring it up.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Kamala Harris brought it up by saying he went to negotiate with the Taliban.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, then he tried to explain that as quickly as you can when the clock is ticking down.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There were others that said, well, he just made that up because he didn't even have the right name of the individual.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think when he was saying Abdul, he just like Mohammed Abdul, he didn't care what the name of that was.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But for anybody that didn't know the context, you've probably seen this video if you're out on the Internet.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you have not, Sage Steele did an interview a while back and one of the individuals there was representative Wesley Hunt and told the story of when

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Donald Trump met with the leader of the Taliban and showed him a satellite photo of his home and made the comment that if you harm a hair on any single American, I'm going to kill you.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And then said that and then looks at the translator and says, tell that to him, tell that to him.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And so then he reached into his pocket and pulled out a satellite photo of the Taliban's home and handed it to him.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Why are you sending me this picture of my house?

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It says, you're going to have to figure it out and got up and walked out.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, I thought it was a powerful statement.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you didn't have any context, you didn't know what was going on.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And that, I think, brings us to my last and final comment.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is just a lot of missed opportunities.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There were times to really make clear the striking difference in terms of policies between, say, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, between the Biden administration and her.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, one of her fallback lines is, well, I'm not Joe Biden.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you've been in the administration for four years.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Just see how much George Herbert Walker Bush was able to escape that after spending eight years in the White House with Ronald Reagan.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that could be certainly very significant.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But for example, when she said, I'm endorsed by Dick Cheney, we talked about that yesterday and some others, he didn't come back to make the very clear case that yes,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: but I've been endorsed by Elon Musk and Tulsi Gabbard and Robert F.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Kennedy Jr. while we're speaking for a minute just about Elon Musk.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that I thought was most significant about his speech before the Economic Club in New York City was this idea of a government efficiency commission in which

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Elon Musk has agreed to be heading that up.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And we haven't had anything like that since I mentioned yesterday, the Grace Commission.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a really significant point, but he didn't mention anything about that.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: We were talking a little bit about finances and he has proposed again a Bitcoin strategic reserve and that he and Robert F.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Kennedy have worked on that.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And there is even legislation that Senator Cynthia Lummis has actually put in the hopper to be considered.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, that goes back to one of my commentaries in August.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And I hate to say this, I don't want this to come off wrong, but there are times when I sort of feel like we do a better job of promoting some of the policies of the Trump administration than the Trump administration does.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And that certainly has to change if indeed, first of all, you're going to win the election and second of all, you're going to be able to make the case for these policies to the American people.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But we can go on, but let me just point you real quickly to a piece that Cal Thomas did yesterday on what he thought should be very appropriate questions to ask both of Donald Trump and of Kamala Harris.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They might say, well, why Cal Thomas?

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, first of all, really one of the most widely read syndicated columnists when he was out there.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Number two, I've been at national religious broadcaster events where he's moderated debates used to work for NBC.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think he knows a little bit about the kind of questions you might want to ask here, for example, one that never got asked.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He says some Republicans, including your opponent, have accused you of participating in a cover up of President Biden's mental condition.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You claim to have seen him every day.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: In light of his withdrawal, you still maintain that position.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's a very natural, obvious question that as far as I can tell, never was asked.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's one for Donald Trump.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, that'd be appropriate for Kamala Harris.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You have said everything from the change in your position on fracking the border wall, Green New Deal.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you already changed your position on price controls?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that'd be kind of nice.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But if indeed you say your values have not changed, what are those values and what are they based on?

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, these are kinds of obvious questions you would have expected David Muir or Lindsay Davis to ask.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: A couple more and then we'll wind it down for the half hour here.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: For Kamala Harris, you know, there was a little bit back and forth on Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, she says he was just going to give up.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I always love that one.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, is he really literally not going to do anything to try to bring about a negotiated peace?

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But what would a war that you want to win look like?

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And would you be able and guarantee that you'd provide enough weapons for that?

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And then sometimes she's made a comment about Hamas and Hezbollah and Israel all being morally equivalent.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So what's your view in that regard?

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I think one that would have at least initiated the conversation that Donald Trump should have brought up.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is this whole discussion of the government existential or efficiency commission.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: This would be a question he came up with.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Donald Trump says if elected, he would appoint outside auditors headed by Elon Musk.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That'd be the Government Efficiency Commission to scale down the bloated federal government.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You appear to want to expand government, raise taxes and spend more while we're $34 trillion in debt.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's $35 trillion.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a question that should have been asked and was not.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you find yourself saying, well, I think they did as well as they could.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This is just a good document that came out 24 hours before by a person that used to work at NBC,

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: an individual that is syndicate columnist.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we're very logical questions.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm hard put to think of any of the questions on these three pages that were asked.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're looking for evidence that the media is protecting one candidate or maybe just engaged in media malpractice,

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you had a pretty good example of it last night.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's move on because we have other things to cover.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And indeed, those are going to be perhaps more important to your life as well.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But just as we wind down, let me mention that I have posted those questions.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: My viewpoints commentary today is about the totalitarian temptation that I see many engaged in.

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And now here again is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Bring to the microphone now Jeff King.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He is one of the world's leading experts on issues of religious freedom.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: He's the president of International Christian Concern.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He's traveled to 70 plus countries.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be talking about what happens, of course, to persecuted Christians in other countries.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But also he's been noticing that persecution is coming to these countries in the West.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe not as significantly, but something to pay attention to.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll be talking about that with him as well.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: He certainly has focused on the world of the martyrs and the persecuted, author of Islam Uncensored,

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Last Words of the Martyrs and a 30-day devotional which is entitled The Whisper.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So Jeff, thank you for being with us today here on Point of View.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kirby, thanks so much for having me.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's, if we can, talk about kind of the mission first of all.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You talk about advocate, assist, and awaken.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you kind of break those down for us?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So it's not in a particular order, but we work in the U.S. Congress, State Department,

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes the administration depending on who's there.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And we try to open prison doors using back-channel power as well as, you know,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: we're just putting pressure on countries that persecute those that are susceptible to the pressure.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's the advocacy.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we do a lot of work just trying to wake up even the secular world,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but especially the believers in our country and around the West about what's going on with persecution.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then our bread and butter is we are working out in the field where there's heavy persecution.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And we do lots of bandaging, and that's bodies, that's buildings.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We're putting things back together.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But then we're also building the church, and we push out the scriptures,

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and we push out the gospel at the very front lines of the battle.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I might just mention again we have a link to your website, persecution.org, very easy to remember.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And while we're talking about this issue of persecution.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So how's it going?

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you know sometimes we will talk with open doors and others

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and try to get a sense of where the greatest persecution is.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And oftentimes that tends to be in Muslim countries or oftentimes in communist countries.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But even in a country that you wouldn't consider to either be Muslim or communist,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: India sometimes is in that top 10 as well.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So what have you found?

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: There are some general trends, aren't there?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kirby, absolutely.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So India's a surprise to many because they think of Gandhi and Hinduism, right?

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But look, each country, all human beings are susceptible to nationalism and to radicalism,

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's the same in Hinduism.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And India is being led by a radical Hindu and his party.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: These guys are, they hate Christians.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They think it's an outside virus that needs to be eradicated.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're doing all kinds of things to strangle the church in there.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So pastors are beaten and attacked continually.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And if the police intervene, typically it's to arrest the pastor, but anyway, even though he's being attacked.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So India is a surprise.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Nigeria is another one.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm continually pointing to Nigeria because, Kirby, as you know, look, in the last 20 years,

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: probably almost 100,000 Christians have been murdered by radical Islamists,

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and 3 million Christian farmers have had their land stolen.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is, now this is the crazy thing.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's on such a massive scale, and it's gone on so long,

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's where I'm always trying to wake people up,

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: that the deal is that the government is aiding and abetting.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's radical Islamists within the government.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the attackers are never chased down, they're never prosecuted,

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and it goes on and on, and it's just a slow-moving genocide

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and massive land grab from radical Islamists.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I might just mention too that as you go to persecution.org, there's a newsroom,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: two of the articles there, one, Demographics and the Destiny of Persecuted Christians in Nigeria,

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: a little bit further down, at least 10 Christians killed in simultaneous attacks in Nigeria,

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and just goes on and on.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I also earlier mentioned your book, Last Words of the Martyrs,

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: but that actually is a free copy that's available.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So as people go there and would want to have some resources,

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe they could share it in their Sunday school class.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Certainly, they also would perhaps be interested in your devotional, The Whisper.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's all available at the website, isn't it?

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It is, sir.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and both of those things, you know, money is secondary to us.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We are trying to spread the lessons of the persecuted church, the martyrs,

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're revolutionary, and the Lord kind of gave me that charge 20 years ago.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He basically said, learn these lessons, shout them to the world,

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're so transformative, and so yeah, so they can actually get the books for free.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And even Last Words of the Martyrs, it's secondarily a book about persecution.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really about the secret teachings, the transformational teachings of the persecuted church.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and again, I know that that's something that you've really focused on here in terms of spiritual growth

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that can come from that hidden world of the martyrs.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted to bring you in not only to talk about persecuted Christians overseas,

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: because we certainly have done that and will continue to do that,

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'll probably carry that on in just a minute,

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but what I thought was so interesting is you're starting to look as well to this country,

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and we broadcast in places like California.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Matter of fact, I was there last week.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm broadcasting today from Texas.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Next week will be in Illinois.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You're getting some examples and have some examples of where we're starting to see even persecution in this country.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It may not be persecution with a capital P, but it certainly is a growing persecution.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So what have you found?

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, well, there's so many cases.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like where do you start?

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, though, I think one of the big lessons I've seen is before I speak of any cases, let me say this.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've watched persecution for over 20 years.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been involved in fighting it all over the world.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I've seen every stripe of political opponent and game and political parties,

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: what they do to attack Christians, to attack Christians to strangle the church.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: For instance, we talked about India.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so interesting, Kirby, because everything we see overseas, everything the dictator does and the despot does.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And it typically goes like this.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: If you really had to sum it up, they would say this.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we have religious freedom.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Even President Xi of China would say this.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We have religious freedom.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you can't share anything in the public square.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't share your faith.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But you can hold whatever beliefs you have and keep them to yourself and stay in your little box of apartment.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't ever bring it in the public square.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the same mentality that's fueling certain actors in the West and even courts.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at the Carlsbad mayor.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: This guy recently, these guys just never learned.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So this guy said you can't use the name of Jesus when they're having, you know,

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: pastors or imams or anybody else come in to open the sessions with prayer.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So he singles out Christians and says you can't use the name of Jesus.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's completely unconstitutional.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And he got smacked.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it is beyond me why educators and school boards and mayors can't figure this out.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't save a religion.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You can also not target a religion.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Another one, Stacy Barber, a teacher in Texas.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's involved in, you've probably heard of, see at the poll,

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a prayer movement at schools where you come out before school starts

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and students and teachers just pray for their schools.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And she did that for, I can't remember, I think it was seven years,

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: before the principal all of a sudden said hey, you're not allowed to do that.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to stop that.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And she and the lawyer worked with the school board and the school board said yeah, you know, you're right.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She should be able to do that.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they changed course.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And so now they're involved in a big legal battle.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I can almost guarantee where it's going to go.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to back down and say you know what, the court is going to say that's unconstitutional.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Other disturbing cases, there are cases where states have said Christians shouldn't be allowed on certain juries

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: because of their religious views.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be allowed in foster care to adopt children because of their religious views.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So all of this is, you know, I used to warn about, personally, for 20 years I wrote a couple of really big newsletters

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: over the years to say the storm clouds are out there.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And what I say now is it's here.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So what we're experiencing is a light rain.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a full storm, but it's the light rain.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you know our organization, we deal with heavy persecution overseas.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But look, Kirby, it's here.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just light.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I might just mention we're going to take a break and come back and get into a couple other issues.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But we on Friday, for example, have Keisha Russell back with us.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: She's been actually working in a legal area where she's been with First Liberty.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll talk about some of those cases next Thursday, a week from tomorrow.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll have Lathan Watson's studio and he's with Alliance Defending Freedom.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And so some of these stories that you hear about are certainly ones that we've talked about on this program.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But when we come back from the break, I thought maybe I might talk about the insidious nature of that

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_04]: because a while back when you were actually being interviewed by the Christian Post, I love the line.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Basically we're the frogs in the kettle and the bubbles keep coming up under us.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'd love to get some comments about that.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it was appropriate not that I planned it, but my commentary, which of course I write ahead of time today,

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the Viewpoints Commentary is on the totalitarian temptation.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of that is based upon some writing by Dennis Prager.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's a reminder that oftentimes when you remove God, then there is a natural tendency for something to fill that vacuum in Europe.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, it was communism in Russia, fascism in Italy, Nazism in Germany.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, as we see more and more secularism in this country, we also see more authoritarianism.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And that can lead to persecution. We'll continue our conversation with Jeff King right after this.

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[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeff King with us for a few more minutes. Let me again encourage you to go to the website, persecution.org.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We have a link on the website here.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're going to benefit tremendously from some of the writing that he has done.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was just thinking, Jeff, that a while back we had David Limbaugh on the program.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And when we did, and actually goes back a couple of years now that I think about that, the title of his book was Persecution.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So I started off by asking about why he titled it.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, look, I'll be real honest. The book publishers always like to have up with very arresting titles.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: What it was was a series of stories well documented.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I still think it's one of the best books out there to document the kinds of things that you just mentioned a minute ago from Carlsbad, California,

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Texas, wherever it might be, all the things that are happening in the country.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And at the time he said maybe that was a little bit overdone.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But what you're starting to say now, especially in this interview that we saw in The Christian Post is,

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: we may not be that aware politically and we may just see some bubbles coming up around us,

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_04]: but we could be the frogs in the kettle being boiled. What's your thoughts?

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we are. And I was listening to your intro to the next segment.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And it brought something to mind. I was actually writing it today.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And we need to think about this.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at history, the history of politics and power is that always power is concentrated and monopolized.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And there are actors always trying to grab the top brass ring in politics because it means immense power and riches.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that power is always monopolized and the masses are turned into serfs.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That is look at history and you see it. And it's going on today.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So you look at President Xi, Erdogan in Turkey, Putin, all these guys have come up and they destroyed fledglings or partial democracies.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going on all the time. And so apart from attacks on us,

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: there's just forces out there always trying to destroy democracy and to twist it for their own ends and to become wealthy.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's even going on today. And so you can create the Christian as a boogeyman.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the things you've got. You've got conservatives as a boogeyman, Christians are the boogeyman.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And all the time, if you are destroying debate, if you're disappearing people from the press,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're basically creating a social credit system where people can't, they're punished for their views,

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that is all the method of the dictator and the despot. It's destructive. It's destructive.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is the mindset going on. And that's the bubbles we feel coming up, the cancel culture.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all symptomatic of the same thing, but it's antithetical. It's the enemy of democracy.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the answers you talk about is revival.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And yesterday we ended the program by quoting from a section that actually is in the book by Dr. Michael Brown

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: on the need for a revival and a reformation.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, you talk about the fact that revival comes down really to us first and then to actually cry to the Lord.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But I have to say, anybody that thinks we're going to solve some of the problems we have in this country

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: by electing the right president, the right senator, the right member of Congress,

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: as important as all of that is, I think these problems are much bigger than politics. And you seem to agree.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I do, sir. Yeah. And it's such a hard thing to articulate, right, Kurt, because it's so important.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: People need to be active politically. They need to get out and be involved and run for dogcatcher

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and show up at school boards. But I think the most important thing is we elect the top leader politically in our heart.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem. And until we are broken, not over our culture and we want things to be like they used to be,

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but we're broken over sin, we're broken over the brokenness of our people, until that comes, that's the important thing.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're broken over our sins. That's what the Lord wants. And he says that's when he will listen.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He says when his people cry out for a lack of godliness and for a lack of holiness, that's when he listens.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when he wants to go on. That's when Aslan goes on the move and he comes to start and rescue the country.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's our core problem. And then secondarily, it's like, what are churches doing? Why? You know, what did Jesus tell us to do?

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He said, go out and win and disciple. And I hardly know any churches that do that.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So that would be the other thing along with revival. We've got to get back to the basics.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about again what's available on your website.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, I just mentioned the fact you can get a free copy of The Last Words of the Martyrs book.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a devotional. They're all the great news stories.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And I would certainly say that if a church is doing a mission outreach and they want to find out more about what's happening in India or the Philippines or Nigeria

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: or a variety of other places we've already mentioned or others that we didn't get around to mentioning as well, that's all available.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a link to, of course, your Facebook and other social media.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So there are some ways people can connect. And there's also some videos.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So talk for just a minute about how maybe that pastor listening right now, that mission conference leader,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_04]: that elder deacon or just church member could take some of this and begin to use that in an effective way.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And there's a couple different angles, right?

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think first of all when we're starting to think about evangelism or revival or discipleship, you know, first of all with persecution,

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: we have resources where pastors can run a whole persecution Sunday and let their people see what's going on without trying to understand it all.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: We can help them put together service.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing is like just going back to what I said, and I'm not sure if this is what you're referencing,

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's like I think we really just need to go back and think about what did Jesus, what was his last command?

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Go out, win, disciple, those two things.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And what does that mean for churches? And let's not wait for pastors.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go out and start doing it.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: That is again the website is persecution.org.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, the guest today has been Jeff King.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I might also point you to some of the links that we've also provided so you can follow on social media, maybe even that article in the Christian Post.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And Jeff, I appreciate you standing strong for the persecuted Christians.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I thank you for sharing just some of the very important spiritual principles and spiritual growth that can take place as we learn more about those who are actually facing great persecution,

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: sometimes even become martyrs for their faith.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I appreciate you standing strong.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I thank you so much for sharing that with us today here on Point of View.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Pleasure to be with you.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's take a break.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: When we come back, I do want to talk about, as we mentioned, this issue of religious liberty because you have this new film coming out.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually coming out starting tomorrow.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_04]: God's Not Dead, of course, is the series.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But the latest one is In God We Trust.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Fascinating story about a pastor, Reverend David Hill, who is just a pastor and not thinking about running for political office,

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but being very concerned about the state Senator Peter Cain, who is definitely wanting to push religion out of the public square.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And so as a result, David begins to learn what it's like to run for office.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the guest appearances comes from Governor Mike Huckabee.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And I had a chance to watch the interview he did with some of the individuals on the program.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That was Scott Baio and David White and others in terms of as an individual who's run both as governor and ran even for the presidency.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike Huckabee said this gave you a very good idea of what it's like to run for office and some of the pitfalls and some of the issues.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So we did want you to know about this film.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And we will spend some time in just a few minutes after the top of the hour talking with Michael Scott,

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_04]: because we've certainly appreciated the work he's done through Pinnacle Peak Pictures and Pure Flicks.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Certainly you're familiar with some of the other God's Not Dead particular films.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that is on the agenda next hour.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Then we're going to get into some economic issues you need to know about what's the economy doing to your family.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe there's some very good reasons why some Americans really are souring on this economy and really deeply concerned about the future of this country.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So we will have a lot to cover and we will do that right after these important messages.

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