Point of View October 4, 2024 – Hour 1 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Miracle of Public Movement Hour 3, April 6, 2020 Hour 13, April 8, 2020

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: presidential debate. We'll be talking about that. Also some great updates from First Liberty

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: on some religious liberty issues. Younger voters are more conservative. This comes from

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: an article in Axios that Dr. Merrow Matthews pointed out and I think you will find that

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: encouraging in many ways. Also one of his pieces that appeared in the Hill and then

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll spend a little bit of time talking about what's going on in the Middle East

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and also a couple of other very important articles. Jeff Matier is of course the

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_05]: executive vice president chief legal officer for First Liberty. Dr. Merrow

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Matthews, a scholar that has been in the past with the Institute for Policy

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Innovation and of course rights for the Hill. So we have got a lot to talk about

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: today. Dr. Matthews let me come to you for just a minute. We had a vice

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: presidential debate and I would love to get some thoughts from you. I gave a

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: little bit of an answer on Wednesday but I thought I'd wait to get the two of

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: you to make a little bit more of analysis on what you saw and heard.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_08]: You know I think my impression, we watched it. My wife and I did. She was very

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_08]: pleased. She was just thrilled how much better JD Vance did and I think I would

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_08]: give JD Vance sort of A minus maybe B plus. Tim Walls maybe C if I'm

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_08]: pushing it a little bit and the two anchors and F maybe D minus.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Where they start trying to fact check JD Vance and JD Vance called him out

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: on trying to fact check them. Well again I've got a piece by Carl

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Roevin which he said Mr. Vance won the night by coming across a much

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: different person than what he'd been campaigning the culture warrior but Jeff

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_06]: your thoughts. Yeah I mean as similar although I wish I'd had Dr. Matthews

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_06]: in college because I think he's a pretty friendly grader. I probably give

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Vance a little bit of lower grade. I grade him on a curve and I certainly

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: agree with the moderators that they get F you know first off

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Governor Waltz I mean really I mean it reminds me up until that point and

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_06]: at least in during my lifetime I think the worst performance in a vice

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: presidential debate was by Admiral Stockdale and which became

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_06]: here. Which which which I mean but I mean Waltz because Stockdale had that moment

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and plus Admiral Stockdale isn't I mean just an honorable person who had a

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_06]: just his service and being a prisoner in Vietnam. I mean I kind of I kind of

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_06]: give him but Waltz is sort of I mean gosh any I mean they clearly practiced I

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_06]: think. I mean we know that you know the the president Trump style is he doesn't

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_06]: practice for debates. I have no doubt Governor Waltz practiced. He had to

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_06]: anticipate some of the questions that were going to be addressed him or maybe

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_06]: he thought they were only going to give him softballs which they did largely

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_06]: but then they had to ask some relevant questions just I mean just a

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_06]: shocking just just just a pitiful performance and I think in comparison

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean anyone could have done really well against Waltz and Vance did I mean

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_06]: honestly Waltz Vance did do well in debate. I have some I think he the January 6

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_06]: question he could have handled a lot a lot better. I get the constraints you

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_06]: have at the top of the ticket you can't contradict your what the president

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_06]: what the president says but and you know I don't think he was very strong on

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: on abortion and could have been stronger on that. I think they both on the economy

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_06]: again I think something we've talked about here before just talk about

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_06]: inflation just talk about immigration hammer those points but Vance clearly

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_06]: won the debate. I mean there's no no doubt about that but but Waltz is

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean that was not a good I mean that's the best the Democrats could do and I

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: mean if you're the Trump campaign you're just a static about it but at the end I

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: think is the piece that that you've included from the Wall Street Journal

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Kirby demonstrates I mean do vice presidential debates even matter. Historically they don't

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: we can ask Dan Quill that which maybe that ranks up there too.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I think you can say they typically don't matter on the positive side.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Matter I think on the downside they can they can drag it down a little bit I think and that was with

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Dan Quill you're not you're no Jack Kennedy. Both in 64 and then 84 and 88 I should say

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: one with the Democrat one with the Republican that just did not go very well and of course

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: our younger audience don't even remember those but even some more recent ones a lot of people

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: have wondered how well some of the VPs have done. Sarah Palin and the rest so you know that as I would

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: agree you probably don't get plus points from a VP debate but you can get some negative ones for sure.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And you needed one of the things I think Vance dropped was when they asked him about

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_08]: climate change and you need he sort of parried the question and the way to respond to things

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_08]: to his getting warmer and I've mentioned this several times here there's been warning

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_08]: warming since the last ice age whether we're adding to that or not that's a different question but the

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_08]: earth has been on a gradual warming trend and if you do that you sort of address this issue of

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_08]: are we getting warmer well apparently we are we're not in an ice age anymore and that was long

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_08]: before the inductor. And then you can sort of talk about the release of carbon and things

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_08]: of that nature but but in Vance made a few statements I think were just I mean just wrong

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_08]: we're going to bring in all this money from the tariffs that we're implying and posing

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_08]: people we're going to bring all this money from other countries no that's her money will be paid

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_08]: by Americans. So anyway there's there are issues there but in generally came across very well

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: from his standpoint I might just mention this piece I mentioned a minute ago by

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Carl Rove butterflies get a vote in the 2024 presidential election what he means is

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: mathematician Edward Lerence one time said that you could probably estimate that the

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: flapping of a butterfly's wings might ultimately lead to a tornado.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Now you can really get into whether or not that's stochastic enough and all the mathematics of it

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: but the implication is some really small events could make the difference in who the next president

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: is and I know just recently you were in Tyler Jeff and you were having some people asking you

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: who's going to win and you're going I don't know I don't think anybody knows I mean I

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: that is the question I mean you know what you know when you try to

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_06]: predict what could happen you know us sitting here on October 4th with

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_06]: approximately what would that give us 30 is it 33 days 32 days to the election you know what

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: can happen and historically there've been October surprises right I mean what will be

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_06]: the October surprise and how could that impact how people vote but what we do know is in Pennsylvania

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_06]: for instance my dad lives in Pennsylvania he's voted yes he's already voted and here in Texas

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: we'll start voting in a couple weeks and I assume across the country or I'm pretty sure across

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_06]: the country that that's the case as well so the election is beginning so if you're going to do

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: an October surprise you maybe should do it a little bit earlier and I think that's really the

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: butterfly effect right I mean what what what sort of surprise could happen that that pushes people

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the Jack Smith release maybe some others I will say this I think it seems to me Trump has

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_08]: sort of turned a corner here this past week it looks like he's doing a little better now than

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_08]: he was he seemed to be struggling for a bit now he seems to have gotten his wind again

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you know we talked about Jack Smith I also want to talk about the dock workers strike but

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll take a break come back and talk about all that right after this this is viewpoints with Kirby

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Anderson yesterday I talked about the book on free speech by Jonathan Turley professor of law at

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: George Washington University today I'd like to talk about a recent column where he documents the

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: left's assault on the Constitution now the reason for his article and many other articles about

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: the Constitution is due to a New York Times article that had the title America's Constitution is sacred

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: is it also dangerous Lathan Watts writes our Constitution isn't dangerous but our ignorance

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: of it is Jerry Newcomb responds by asking is the Constitution really dangerous the purpose

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: of Jonathan Turley's column is to show that the disdain towards the Constitution in one New

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: York Times article goes far beyond that one article the assault on the Constitution involves

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: more than court packing and is targeted on the freedom of speech he quotes a UC Berkeley

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: law professor who has written no democracy lasts forever how the Constitution threatens the United

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: States an editor of the nation magazine calls the Constitution trash and urges the abolition

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: of the U.S. Senate a law professor at Georgetown law school complains that Americans are slaged

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: to the Constitution the article in the New York Times repeats similar comments and scoffs

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: in what the author calls constitutional worship she writes Americans have long assumed that the

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Constitution could save us a growing chorus now wonders whether we need to be saved from it

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and I might mention a previous New York Times op-ed by two law professors from Harvard and Yale

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_05]: who argued the Constitution is broken and should not be reclaimed these are just a few of the

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: quotes provided by Jonathan Turley they remind us that it is time to defend the Constitution

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view

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[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: slash crt you're listening to point of view your listener supported source for truth in

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: studio with us today jeff mature and maryl matthews by the way at any point if you'd like to

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: join the conversation 1-800-351-1212 we're talking about october surprise sometimes it's one that is

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: created you think about the revelation of a dwi for george w bush just before the election

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: some of them are created by the circumstance the economy goes bad in 2008 or in this case

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_05]: dr. matthews were talking about a dock worker strike which fortunately only lasted a few days

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_05]: but i wondered whether or not that could have had an impact on the election or think you could

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_08]: have people were getting to stock up i already saw local news stories of stores running out of toilet

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_06]: paper my wife experiment and she went to casco and she calls me and says is there something going

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: on there's no toilet paper here no paper towels no toilet paper napkins i went to

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_08]: industry yesterday and it was all they had left they had caught that well no they had caught now and

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_08]: they had to charm it but most of them everything else was gone which and someone told me that actually

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: toilet paper is made in the united states yes that would probably it doesn't even come through

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_05]: the world he's the least likely one to actually go you know if you want to get it suck up on

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: bananas or something like that i can get that but anyway it's just amazing and again

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: they were hoping for a much more significant pay raise but mere 62 percent raise that's you

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_08]: bet 62 percent pay raise they were looking for 77 percent yeah that would have put them from

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_08]: an average of 39 if i remember right up to around 79 or 80 dollars an hour something like that

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_08]: which is still a pittance next to what the head of the international law and the union

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_08]: makes which is 900 thousand dollars last year wall street journal highlighted the Bentley that

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_08]: he drives and his yacht which i think if i remember right it's like 75 foot yacht apparently

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_08]: longshoremen do better than they used to and who would like who wouldn't like to have that job

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_08]: but interestingly my my sense is because if this were to go on very long it was going to hurt

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_08]: the democratic chances because it affects the economy people are very very sensitive these

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: things if they're going to the grocery store and can't get their toilet paper they're going to blame

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: the current administration so my guess is that biden harris and the others leaned on them and said you

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_08]: need to set this thing back to where don't come back in january and that's what they've done

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_08]: they said we're going to say accept this raise and then we're going to come back in january

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: and work out some other things so that so that it doesn't hurt the democratic chances

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: want to get some comments maybe around the table maybe come to you uh jeff about the optics

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: because herald deggett is the head of of course this uh longshoremen's association international

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: longshoremen's association has a house worth quite a bit as a matter of fact uh the new york post

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: actually flew a drone over his mansion that wasn't a good optic and then the idea that the

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: governor of the state of florida said okay we'll just have the florida national guard show up

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: to do that after a while the optics weren't looking very good as well no i i think that's

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: exactly what was was occurring and it does to me i mean we'll do a little history lessons when

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_06]: when re when president reagan with the air traffic controllers which i think made reagan i mean i

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_06]: were one of the things that that made reagan that that action and i think that's what governor

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_06]: desantis was channeling and to see that play out that could have been a complete disaster for

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: for the union and and a way to really um uh quite frankly bust it bust the union um if if

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: if the governor was able to do that and then eventually replace these workers i mean the

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: fact that they're against automation i mean that that's one of their points that they're upset

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_06]: that we're actually being more efficient and therefore lowering cost and that's a problem

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that that cannot win in public opinion i had not heard of ron desantis saying he's going to bring

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: out the national guard but i i mentioned my wife last night i don't know why some of these states

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: especially the southern states i would not expect the northern states to do that didn't come up and

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: say we're going to use coast guard national guard the military because they ship cargo and

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: do things all the time i don't know if it's exactly the same but i can't imagine it's that

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_08]: hard and at least the threat sort of puts the pressure on them to go ahead and resolve the issue

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: after all we do have a hurricane that's come through that area of the country and back to the

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: automation thing we talked about this before a little bit last week because i think that's

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: the bigger issue behind this because if you look at ports around the world they are more

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_05]: automated than we are and i did the research so uh and again i got this from uh s and p and

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: world bank right that in the top 50 most productive ports in the world the united states is not in any

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: of those now for our friends in charleston south carolina they're 53 so we'll get you know partial

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_05]: credit there they're below c i guess or below b whatever that is but if you think about this

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_05]: we have a situation in which no american port is considered to be as efficient and the one

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: that is charleston let's give credit again it's one of the least unionized ones now let's go back to

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: the head of the international uh longshoreman individuals and again the longshoreman association

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_05]: is herald daggett a while back he was caught complaining about the easy pass now easy pass

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_05]: where you have here toll tags because he says you know the first time that was there it

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: eliminated union jobs and so people now can just zip through these toll boos without having to

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: throw their quarter in there and we don't have union people counting quarters and all of that

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: but i'm thinking yes but i almost all of us appreciate the fact that whether here we have

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: toll tags or easy pass or whatever it might be he sees that as a problem but if you are

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_05]: convinced that we can use robots and automation we should actually implement some of that

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: it seems to me the unions are actually trying to prevent that they absolutely are and that's been

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_08]: the problem with uh auto workers and others but it's going to happen and what you're going to have

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_08]: to do is and you know because the implementation of the technology takes a while you can let people

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_08]: just sort of phase off as they get older and they retire and you just don't hire as many coming

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_08]: on daggers himself i think it's 78 if i remember right so he'll be phasing out pretty soon especially

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_08]: with that there with that income in his yacht but you know we've used the phrase led lights and

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: things of that nature i mean there was a time in the past where they were smashing up looms

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and things of that nature because i took away from people that could weave hand by hand

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and every new technological advance is seen as a threat to work but if indeed robots or

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: automation or any technological advance reduces the number of jobs well it changes the number of

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_05]: jobs are we are right now supposedly having fairly low unemployment after implementing a lot of high

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: tech kinds of things so i think that's a fallacious argument don't you think yeah i think

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just basic economics and i would mr. daggett should take some of his 900 000 dollars and

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe enroll in a community college course and learn some basic things um he could buy the

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_06]: college for well he needs a tutor i'm sure there's a great courses or some or they can you know maybe

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_06]: he should listen to dr. matthews once in a while um but i mean this idea that we're gonna i mean the

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_06]: whole idea and i think that you know back to the discussion uh with vance and being protectionist

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_06]: and being four tariffs i mean you know our economy when it's free works and so innovation is good

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_06]: it's not bad um and for the long term and if people look if people lose their jobs and and

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_06]: i appreciate those men and women who do what's i mean it is a tough job it it it's you know labor

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_06]: intensive but if there are more opportunities um that we can automate things that causes

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: the the prices to go down then you know those those folks who lose their jobs can be retrained

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and they should be should be retrained and we should we we should work towards that and as

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_06]: dr. matthews mentioned it won't happen overnight so it's a it you phase it in over time but for the

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_06]: unions to be fighting against it i mean it just to me it's it's why so many so many and i think

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_05]: younger people why why we're against unions sure let me just mention too just as we're

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: going to a break and then we'll get into our next article that um our little booklet

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that i've put together on artificial intelligence gets into that also about a year ago interviewed j

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: richards he wrote a book called the human advantage the future of american work and an age of smart

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: machines which he was again pointing out that this idea that robots are marching us towards a

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: dystopian future is not the case and gives a fact after fact uh all of what had happened during

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the industrial revolution now what's happened in the information revolution and we shouldn't fear

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: robots but nevertheless we're always told to fear them you might end up having to encourage people

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: to learn more about computer programming and less about how to actually load a container that can

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_05]: be loaded probably a little more efficiently by automation and robots who don't need to take

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: lunch breaks and don't necessarily only work a eight hour shifts and don't need to be don't

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: go on strike and don't go on vacation so again we've seen the advantage of some of that in the

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: automotive industry frankly we're seeing some of that right now in the fast food industry

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and we're going to see a lot more of that so if you find yourself maybe wanting to read

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: a little bit more that a book by j richards or my little booklet on official intelligence is

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: something to help you think through that issue and of course as you go to our website you'll

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[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_05]: or staff of the station and now here again is curvy Anderson we'll put the campaign on hold for a

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_08]: show and you'll be able to see it again say you can't do it alone but here you can see it again

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: from the conservative standpoint just sort of saying, the youth are lost.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_08]: They're way off.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_08]: They just don't understand they're liberal and so forth.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And so this Harvard youth poll comes out and they have under that those 18 to 24 and they're

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_08]: talking about men here 18 to 24, 22% identify as liberal, 26% identify as conservative,

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_08]: 48% identifying as independent.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_08]: When you go to the 25 to 29 year olds, then it just reverses itself.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_08]: So 27% say they're liberal, 21% say they're conservative and 48% same number consider themselves as moderate

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_08]: and they don't really they're sort of independent in the middle.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And what it mentions is that this is actually these numbers actually are true for the women

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_08]: as well.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_08]: This though they highlight men here, it mentions that it's true for both genders.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's very interesting that you get these sort of 20 to 24.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_08]: You get a significant increase in young men who say that they are on the conservative side

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_08]: as opposed to the liberal side.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm not I'm not sure why that would be the case.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I wouldn't attribute it to Trump.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure what I would contribute to.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's an interesting finding because it basically flips what we've been thinking

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: for some time and even the poll, as it says, this is this isn't a surprising finding.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, the director of polling said, well, they were the hardest hit by COVID-19

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_05]: felt ignored by the establishment have grown up under Donald Trump as president.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And I can be a little more ignored by the establishment.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, they in some respects see this a whole chaotic political set of circumstances

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: as normal for my younger listeners, especially when we do our millennial roundtable, want

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: to say this is not typical what we're going through right now.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, 26%, you might say, well, what's that mean?

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's five points higher than those that are 25 to 29 and also more conservative

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: than people at that same age.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And you and I off the air, we're talking about a quote that's attributed to Winston

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Churchill.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure he ever said it.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're not a conservative when you're 35, you have no brain.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But the implication has always been that you'll probably be more liberal when you're

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_05]: 18 to 25 because you don't have a lot of financial skin in the game.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe you're very idealistic.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, been watching a lot of media anyway.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But as you kind of go on, people tend to be more conservative to go on.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not what we're finding at least for the 18 24 year old, both men and women.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, very interesting finding.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And it may be the harbinger of something that's happening in the culture that we

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_08]: just aren't fully aware of yet.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm wondering if it is.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, trying to think of why could it be?

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, one is it's a realization that government is not working.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And so the complete and so if liberals are selling us, oh,

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the government is the solution to our problems.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, how's that worked out for us?

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And this the article makes them mention about the COVID crisis and the

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: failures of government there.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But I do think that there's a disillusionment with government.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And therefore, if the liberal side of this, that the answers to our

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_06]: problems are the government, well, we know the government doesn't work.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And so the ability to solve problems, to look at government and

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_06]: government being, if that's the liberal ideology, then I can see a

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_06]: sense of why some young people may be rejecting it.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It's interesting because to your point,

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I frequently hear people say some government agency, let's say FEMA

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_08]: right now during this, they may come up and say, well,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_08]: FEMA didn't do a very good job in addressing issues of hurricane Helene.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_08]: So we need another government agency to be able to do this.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And at some point somebody says, should say if they're not doing

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_08]: a very good job, maybe we need not be relying so much on the government.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: There's another issue and I'll hold this up for those of you watching

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: online because maybe you've heard this before.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That is, it actually took according to this 220 years for the

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: national debt to reach $11 trillion.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And since Joe Biden has been president and Kamala Harris

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_05]: has been vice president, we've added an additional $11 trillion

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: since 2020.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, if you're a young person looking at this, you've got to say,

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: the people that came before us have done a really bad job of balancing

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_05]: the budget, you think?

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And we are certainly as a generation wondering whether or not

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Social Security will be there for us.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Medicare will be for us.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Whether or not we will even have a country.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And so you can understand how that disillusionment would

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: cause a lot of them to become more conservative or libertarian.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, while we're talking badly about the anchors

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: in the debate, let me point out that neither one of them brought up.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: We've got this what 35 trillion down?

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, 35 trillion.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_08]: The administration 1.9 trillion in just this past year because

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_08]: we just ended the fiscal year.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's no questions being brought up about it.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_08]: We had this much debt.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_08]: How are we actually going to constrain the debt and maybe even

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_08]: bring it down some?

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a very important issue.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, we could start a whole list of all the things they didn't

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: talk about.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: China came up only because we wondered whether or not Tim Walsh was

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: actually in Tiananmen Square and there's a lot more to China.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He was not.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He's a knucklehead.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a knucklehead.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a liar.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean knucklehead, no.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_06]: You lied.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But there was a lot of things that should have been brought up

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that were not brought up by the moderators, right?

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that fair?

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So yes, it's the moderators generally brought up the things

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_08]: which are mostly of interest to liberals.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's fair to say and not the things that are

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_08]: interest that are interest to most people.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: So yes, that's the case.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And then again, the issue of the debt.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody is bringing us up social security and the finances

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_08]: that we were facing there.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody's brought it up.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And I have to add both of the candidates are talking about

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_08]: how much more money they want to spend.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Not how they're going to get in control of this spending.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: By the way, I might just mention we're going to get to your

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: article in just a minute, but now I notice more and more

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: they're listing you at the Hill as a public policy

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and political analyst and co-author of On The Edge.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: America Faces the Entitlement Cliff.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not like some people are saying, well, why

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: weren't you guys talking about this back in the 70s, 80s

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and 90s?

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think you can point to books like that.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_08]: And talk about it in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I understand why some young people are really angry

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_05]: about this.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: We've talked about how Scott Galloway and others have played

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: upon that with his book and others just simply saying,

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: if we really say we love our children, what have we done

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: to our children?

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And the reality is we were talking about this even in

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the 1980s.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember Larry Burkett wrote The Coming Economic

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Earthquake.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And the only thing that forestalled that was the

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_05]: fact that you had the end of the Cold War and the

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_05]: expansion of the Internet.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But all we did was move it down the road.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And now when you're adding $11 trillion to the

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_05]: national debt since Joe Biden came into office and it

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_05]: took 220 years from George Washington to, again, Joe

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Biden to get $11 trillion, you can see that the

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: numbers are just going vertical now.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And it hasn't stopped.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: We just found out that a judge put the stops on

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_08]: his student loan as far as he thought he was going to

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_08]: be able to go ahead and move forward with.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, we're going to take a break.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But when we come back, I thought I might mention

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_05]: since we're talking about these young men a little

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_05]: bit later, we'll do this in the second hour.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Talk about some of these problems that are

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: intractable.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't matter who you elect president.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be dealing with one of the articles

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: on Americans because they have become more

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: relied on government at a time when government

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_05]: can't afford it.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And America's young men are falling behind

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: really important issues.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But I thought and also we'll be talking with

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Merrill Matthews about this whole issue of crime

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_05]: statistics.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But I thought when we come back for just a few

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: minutes, I might just call on Jeff to talk about

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: what's going on in California because our

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: first article, we just mentioned it last

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_05]: week, but fifth graders, given the

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: responsibility to read a gender identities book

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to kindergartners.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, the issue as you might

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_05]: imagine is very controversial.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But number one, there was no notification

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and no notification will be given apparently.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And number two, there is of course no opting

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_05]: out.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And so we are going to talk about that case.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you want to know a little bit more,

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_05]: that is our first article on the website.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And it is really almost hard to believe.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But nevertheless, it is taking place

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: there right now in insinitas, California

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: from a family known as the Encinas.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you can get those two

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: twisters, yeah, a little bit of tongue

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: twisted.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I got it one and I won't say it again.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm going to turn it to Jeff in just

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: a minute.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you find yourself saying I'm really

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: concerned about the future of this country,

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: look at at least some of the positive

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: news in terms of where the political

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_05]: ideologies are falling out for some

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_05]: of the youngest possible voters.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we come back.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about the fact that that's why

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: we need a first liberty to stand up for

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_05]: some of these religious liberty issues.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be back right after this.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: In these days, do you sometimes find

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself struggling to discern truth from

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: lies? Do you sense that bedrock principles

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: regarding culture and politics are being

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: mercilessly challenged?

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Do sources of information you once found

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: reliable now seem shaky?

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We're being targeted by a powerful

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: propaganda technique called reality

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: suppression.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: In a recent sub-stack article, author

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and filmmaker Christopher Rufo unpacks

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: how the left suppresses reality in

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: order to maintain its control over

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the discourse.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Rufo explains the technique

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of reality suppression is designed

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: to persuade your opponent not to

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: believe what is in front of him.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He gives three examples.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: One is COVID.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Where did the pandemic come from?

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: If the evidence had you convinced or

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: at least suspicious that it was from a

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: lab leak, it was deemed racist or

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: too antagonistic toward China to say

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: so.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Skepticism of the vaccine was

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: dismissed as anti-science.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The possibility of natural immunity

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: was dismissed.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Hence, either by censorship or

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: intimidation, reality was suppressed.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The second example of reality

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: suppression is critical race theory.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Rufo brought CRT to public

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: attention and surfaced a massive body

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of evidence to show how it was being

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: taught in schools.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But the left employed its media

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: outlets to deny that CRT even exists.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Your reality suppression says Mr.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Rufo, taking something that is

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously real, that is substantiated

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: by evidence and just using a blanket

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: denial to say something that exists

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: does not exist.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Rufo's third example is

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: immigration.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Massive numbers of illegals flowing

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: across the border and into the interior

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of the country.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: The establishment media ignores or plays

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: down the danger of criminals,

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: specifically Venezuelan gang members

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: bringing murder, drugs and human

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: trafficking into sanctuary cities like

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: New York, places like Aurora, Colorado

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and even suburbs around the country.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: To fight reality suppression, Mr.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Rufo says trust your own observation

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and intuition and seek out reliable

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: sources of information.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: For Point of View, I'm Peno Dexter.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View,

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: your listener supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Back once again if I can maybe just

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: turn to Jeff Matier for a few minutes.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We did mention it last week.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We haven't talked about it since then

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and I wanted people to know a little

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: bit more about this case.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_05]: For two reasons.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Number one, I'm grateful that you're

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_05]: defending this couple.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_05]: But more importantly, I want other

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_05]: listeners out there that maybe are

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_05]: familiar with something similar happening

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_05]: in their schools to contact you

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: because first of all, there's some

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_05]: things that you can do.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But also you can actually in a brief

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: that you may file to begin to talk

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_05]: about how this is not just a one off

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of not allowing anyone

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_05]: to opt out and not even allowing

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_05]: parental notification.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But tell us more if you might.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so this is in San Diego,

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: California.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And so we have clients whose son,

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_06]: a fifth grader came home from school

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: back in May.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And so Johnny, not his name, but

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Johnny, what did you do today at

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_06]: school?

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know what?

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_06]: We our teacher read a book to us.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we met with our

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06]: kindergarten or buddy that they

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_06]: have a system where the fifth

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_06]: graders are assigned a buddy in

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_06]: kindergarten to kind of help them.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's probably in itself

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_06]: not a not a bad program.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_06]: But in this case, the book that

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_06]: the fifth grader was read to by

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_06]: the teacher is called My Shadow

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Is Pink, which encourages children

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_06]: to make a declaration as to what

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_06]: their gender is, which of course

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_06]: under this ideology can be

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_06]: different than the gender that

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they were born with.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And so the fifth grader then

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_06]: was put with his buddy and

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_06]: together they watch a video

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_06]: that of this book and then they

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_06]: do an activity in which they're

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_06]: encouraged to choose what is

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_06]: what is my my gender today?

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Because it can be something

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: today. Of course, your shadow

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_06]: could be blue today and it

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_06]: could be pink tomorrow or I

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_06]: guess I don't know.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Can you have a purple shadow?

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I assume you get to pick.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's whatever whatever you

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: want. And and obviously you can

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_06]: think, you know, parents, you

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_06]: know, being a parent and hearing

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that and the two big issues in

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_06]: this case is as you pointed up

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: pointed to in the lead in Kirby

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_06]: where that the parents weren't

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_06]: notified and they were never

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_06]: given the opportunity to opt

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_06]: out of this because it clearly

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_06]: violated their religious

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_06]: beliefs. And actually the

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: fifth grader is is a pretty

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_06]: for a fifth grader is pretty

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: mature and he knew that

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: there's something I mean, this

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: is wrong. Yes, it's

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: somewhere that he knew and so

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_06]: the parents immediately, you

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_06]: know, reached out to the school

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: district and the request is

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: pretty I think pretty

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_06]: reasonable. We want to be

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_06]: notified of when you're

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: teaching this type of stuff.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And secondly, we're letting you

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: know when you do notify us,

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_06]: we don't want our son

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_06]: participating in it. And the

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: school district said, No,

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_06]: we're not going to tell you.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And and if you find out,

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: we're not going to let your son

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_06]: opt out. And I think Kirby,

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_06]: your points will make this isn't

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: just happening in San Diego.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: We know this is happening

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_06]: across the country and in many

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_06]: places that the left sees

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_06]: control of so many of our

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_06]: public schools and it's going

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_06]: to push an ideology that is

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_06]: contrary to so many of us and

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_06]: certainly us who hold to a

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Judeo Christian view. And they

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_06]: don't want the parents to know

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_06]: because in their worldview,

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_06]: parents are essential to training

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and educating students. So very,

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: very troubling. And this is a

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_06]: brave family because they have

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_06]: been since we filed this case.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_06]: They've been attacked in

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: this community in San Diego and

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: called lots of really mean and

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: nasty names. And all they're

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_06]: doing is trying to protect

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: their children. It's just

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_08]: amazing. I mean, I don't I

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_08]: don't understand that response

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_08]: of attacking somebody who says,

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_08]: we want to know what you're

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_08]: going to teach our children

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and what you're going to

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_08]: make them do. And we want

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_08]: them won't have the option to

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_08]: opt out. Well, in the other

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_05]: flip side of that is that

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_05]: they say, well, if you don't

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_05]: like what we're teaching in

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the schools, well, then you

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_05]: can go find an alternative,

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: which would be a charter school,

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_05]: a Christian school. And so then

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: when people try to do that in

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: the state of Maine, you had a

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: case that went to the Supreme

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Court and somehow the people

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that are in charge of the

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_05]: public school system and the

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: people in the main legislature

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: did not somehow read that

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: particular decision that came

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: down from the Supreme Court.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_06]: No, and they want to continue

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_06]: to impose their their

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_06]: ideology concerning sex,

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_06]: which is completely contrary to

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: our Christian worldview. And

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_06]: ironically, I mean, if they

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: made that argument in

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_06]: California, we have a case

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: against the state of

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_06]: California and school

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_06]: districts who are discriminating

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_06]: against Christian parents who

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_06]: are trying to be involved in

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_06]: the charter school movement

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and being told to check

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_06]: their religion at the door.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: So I mean, they don't want

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_06]: that won't work. And again,

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_06]: don't forget this year, these

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: are fifth graders and

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_06]: kindergartners. We're not

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06]: talking about high schoolers.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: We're talking about fifth

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_06]: graders who we're going to

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_06]: ram through an audiology

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_06]: completely contrary. So I mean,

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: we're optimistic that

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_06]: that will get the result

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_06]: that we want. But we recognize

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_06]: we're in the state of

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_06]: California in a federal

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: court in California and then

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_06]: we'll go to the Ninth Circuit.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: How about a call or two from

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: California? We'll go to

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Adam in California. What's

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_05]: your comment?

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted to comment

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: on. You know, the

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: education, economics,

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: government, it's we're

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: reading in the book of

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Ezekiel chapter 34 that

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: talks about the shepherd and

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the false shepherds. So

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what we're being

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: led in false shepherds

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because there is no more

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Christian influence or fear

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of God that's going into

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: any of those environments.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's just not

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: that we don't want it to.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not accepted as

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: much as it used to be,

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: especially in California.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's very true. And

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: again, one of the things we

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: found certainly, Jeff, is

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that in some respects when

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: anybody even tries to stand

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: up and say, wait a minute,

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, I've seen some of

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: these school board meetings

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: where somebody comes up

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_05]: there and they're not even

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_05]: necessarily a Christian, but

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: they're just simply saying,

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: hey, can we have some

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: common sense here? It makes

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_05]: no sense to let these

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: boys come into the girls

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: restroom. Makes no sense to

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_05]: have these boys playing

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: against girls. And then

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_05]: they're just vilified for

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_05]: representing what would just

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_05]: be what we'd consider to be

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: a common sense perspective,

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: right? For millennia.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and for millennia or

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_06]: worse, a friend of ours has

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_06]: a case in New York that some

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_06]: may have seen in which the

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_06]: parents were simply wearing

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_06]: wristbands that had the

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_06]: criminals and and they're

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_06]: banned just for just for

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_06]: extras. I mean, just

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_06]: wearing that. And so one

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_06]: of our good Kelly and I,

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Kelly Chakrabin, I've got a good

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_06]: friend who's representing

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_06]: those parents and gosh, I hope

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope they succeed that you

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_06]: can't be banned because I mean

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_06]: that to me it goes back to

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_06]: a case in the 60s

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_06]: that says that you have a

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_06]: free speech right, certainly

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_06]: in a school to do that.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The other thing in response

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_06]: to the caller, we've won

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_06]: on this issue before,

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_06]: although it's an interesting

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_06]: case, it's of all places.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It's in the great state of

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Minnesota and in which same

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of fact pattern with

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_06]: regard to a school district

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: pushing LGBTQ curricula.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And in that situation,

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_06]: the objectors happen to be a

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_06]: group of Muslim Somali

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_06]: refugees. And we were

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_06]: able to represent them.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, I'm sure it

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_06]: just no doubt. I mean, they

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: didn't know what to do, right?

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_06]: You have Muslims objecting.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And so we were able to get the

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_06]: school district actually to do

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_06]: a notification dropped out.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe some Muslims in

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Southern California need to

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_06]: ban with us and we can get

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_06]: this fixed.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, again, we talked about

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: those arm bands just had XX

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_05]: on them. But if I remember

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: right back in 1969, Tinker

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: versus Duboyne, got it.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_05]: It was black arm bands and

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: the Supreme Court said you

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_05]: can wear black arm bands.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: But now we're told in 2024

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: that parents can't even wear

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_05]: an arm band that has XX on

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_05]: them. Welcome to the 21st

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: century and the value of

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_05]: having first liberty.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be back with more right

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_05]: after this.

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[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: lot of worrying stuff in our

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: world today.

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