Point of View October 3, 2024 – Hour 2 : Millennial Round Table

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Live, this is Point of View and now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeoman.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, happy Thursday and welcome to the Millennial Round Table where we just had really one

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: of my favorite hours I've had, hosting Point of View with Patrina and Josh.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about end times prophecy and Josh gave us a lesson and Patrina preached.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So go back and listen to that last hour if you are not with us.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course we were talking about the Iranian missile strike against Israel, a historic strike

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: this Monday but we have a lot of other news that really started on Monday as well.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be talking of course about the Senator Vance and Governor Wall debate,

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the vice presidential debate on Monday as well as moving on to some news about the Union

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: strikes.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But before we get there let me introduce our next round of panelists.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We have, you know him well, Richard Lim.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He is a writer, speaker, author, blogger and historian.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He also hosts this American President podcast where he recently had Bill O'Reilly on to

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: interview so Richard is doing great things in his space always bringing a historical

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: context to whatever it is that he does.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for being with us today Richard.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Always good to be here.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We also have joining us Liberty MacArthur.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know her well.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She writes for Point of View so don't forget to go to pointofview.net and look for

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: her articles there, lots of resources.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: She also is the president of the Know Why podcast.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Liberty always brings such a depth of knowledge to our subjects as we're talking about them.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us today Liberty.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Excited to be here Chelsea.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a full next hour planned so we're going to start with the vice presidential

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: debate and it was really for me as just someone who enjoys politics or at least

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: used to one of the more enjoyable political debates I've ever seen.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that both candidates showed up very well prepared.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think both candidates understand what's at stake and both candidates have a lot to

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: cover for their respective presidential nominee colleagues and they did so well.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a polite debate.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It was what politics almost used to be a little bit charismatic but before we get

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: into the details of the debate I just wanted to note that going in Governor

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Walls was very confident going in talking about that his walls I think

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Bloomberg wrote last August that Tim Walls masculinity is terrifying to

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Republicans.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Governor Walls talked a huge game going in saying I can't wait to debate the guy

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: if he's willing to get off the couch and show up and at the end of the day

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've all seen and heard by now no matter what your political leanings

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: are the senator Vance absolutely wiped the floor with Governor Walls.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Just completely ran circles around him in many respects it wasn't fair because

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: after all we know that senator Vance went to Yale and to go to Yale you have

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to be very brilliant or know somebody which could have been combo of both

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but I wanted to get just your initial take liberty we'll start with you on

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the debate were you able to watch and what were some moments that stood

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: out to you.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I agree with you Chelsea it was actually enjoyable maybe one of the

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: first enjoyable debates to watch in my adulthood it felt like a real debate

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know like there was actually substantive not you know just name

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: calling or constant interruptions back and forth and again I know that we'll

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: focus on the actual issues later on in the conversation but just being

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: able to like really be engaged and interested I think that was probably

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: a breath of fresh air for a lot of citizens and it gives me hope that maybe

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: there are still people in politics hopefully that will run for president in

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the future where that can become the norm again and yeah I mean I was very

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: impressed with senator Vance I have liked him since I read his book

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: back in 2016 I was a little unsure of some of the things that he said you

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: know ever since Trump shows him as running mate but I thought he really

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: handled himself exceptionally well during the debate and I think a lot of

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Americans were probably impressed too.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so too you mentioned you mentioned that you read his book I

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: think I remember hearing about the book lots of colleagues were talking

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: about it at the time but Richard you know for me at least both of these

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: vice presidential candidates were a little bit of unknowns on the national

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: scale not in their respective representation of you know senator

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: for for Ohio or you know where where walls has had a huge record where

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: he's at that we are going to get into but for me they were both a little bit

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of a wild card a little bit unknown obviously walls as a choice was to

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: help resonate with we've now heard the DNC talking about this male

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: voters that they've got a male voter crisis Latino males black males

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and white males are all voting in historic numbers or at least polling I

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: should say for president Trump and so he was you know I think he tried to

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: appeal to that in his debate talking I started taking note every single

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: time he said farmer you're really trying to appeal to that whereas

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Vance you know we he's been an interesting choice for president

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump I think he represents a lot of Trump's ideals personally if we have

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a future of the Republican Party that president Trump is looking towards

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Vance is a man of the people and obviously has humble

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: beginnings understands average Americans but wasn't really a choice to help

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: president Trump with his woman problem the suburban woman women that

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: decry him publicly are pulling terribly for him you know they both

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously have the opposite problems so Richard I'd love to get your

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts on either them before the debate debate versus after where I

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: think we all had a better picture of both vice presidential candidates

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_05]: well the first thing that struck me is the general generational difference

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: between the two because Tim Walz is 60 years old so he's very much a

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_05]: boomer and JD Vance is 40 he's he's younger than me he's about one year

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_05]: younger than me so if he does become vice president he'll be the first

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: millennial vice president so shout out to all the millennials out there but

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that was the first thing that really struck me and so this could be a

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: setup for the future 2028 we don't know but vice presidential nominees

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: often wait their turn and get the nomination the next time what I

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_05]: think Vance did was essentially pull what Reagan did in 1980 obviously

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Reagan is running for president that year but liberals had dismissed

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Reagan as basically this lightweight and if not a lightweight a right

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_05]: wing warm longer it's very easy right now for moderates and liberals to

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: pretend that they like Ronald Reagan now but they used to call him a

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: warm longer and he went on that debate stage and showed everyone he was

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: project and reasonable and right now the line on Vance the Democrats are

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to push is that Vance is weird they were saying all these

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: rumors about him that weren't true and he basically went out there and

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: looked like a completely reasonable and decent person and I think that was

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: intentional to win over people that have been told hey this guy's a creep

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a weirdo etc actually he's a decent person married with a lovely

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_05]: family and he's quite reasonable and so I think it was a direct

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: direct response to this media caricature of who he really is and it was

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: effective for Reagan in 80 vice presidential debates usually don't

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: mean all that much however in a close election they could so we'll see

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll see I also thought he came across as compassionate and genuine

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't he wasn't a walking talking point which I think we're used

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: to seeing out of our politicians on the stage they've got their

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: rehearsed points anytime governor walls was backed into a corner he was

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: reverting to those talking points you could tell he rehearsed whereas I

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: felt that senator vance came off you know just with the subject matter

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: expertise we're going to get into the issues after this short break

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: this is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson free speech is very important but

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: many Americans believe that violence may be necessary to stop

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: candidates or citizens with the wrong views about free speech on my

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: radio program I frequently quote Jonathan Turley professor of law at

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: George Washington University although he is a liberal who would

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: disagree with my perspective on many social issues I quote him

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: because of his dedication to free speech I recommend his new book

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the indispensable right free speech in an age of rage he provides

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the history of free speech and makes an excellent case for free

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: speech however he laments that for some people violent language

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: can become violent action he explains we are living in an age of rage

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: it permeates every aspect of our society and politics rage is

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: liberating even addictive it allows us to say and do things that we

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: would ordinarily avoid even denounce and others now one chilling

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: illustration of this I found in an article by Bob unru he cites

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: polling research that uncovered the disturbing fact that 26

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: million Americans believe the use of force is justified to

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: prevent Trump from becoming president the study on political

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: violence and the election assessing the threat from left

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and right also concluded that these 26 million are active

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: dangerous and have growth potential on the other side the

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: study also found another 18 million say that the use of

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: force is justified to restore Trump to the presidency

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Turley recently cited the number of politicians working

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: with extreme groups and concluded they were playing a

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: dangerous game toying with groups that call for violence

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with his conclusion that this recent poll is a

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: chilling account of the growing radicalism in America I'm Kirby

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Anderson and that's my point of view for a free copy of Kirby's

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the millennial roundtable where Richard

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Liberty and I are breaking down the vice presidential debate

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: from earlier this week of course from our millennial

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective Richard I'm going to start with you on the top

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: issues that were talked about and there were so many

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: everything from the attack that happened on Israel that

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: day preceding the debate to sales tax to abortion to

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: border crossings everything you know I think we saw and

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: spoke about a little bit earlier that senator Vance was

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: able to keep governor walls on his heels and respect to many

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of these issues which issues stood out to you the most and

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you do you think resonated with the American people you

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: know for me it would be the economy I think that we all

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: all aware that that is the number one issue the cost

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of groceries certainly the strike is not going to help

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that that we'll talk about a little bit later in the show

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but what top issues did you think they discussed and

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: who excelled well so it's interesting because Tim

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Walls I think relied on a lot of the typical lazy arguments

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: that you hear from the Democrats that Trump was

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: responsible for unemployment because of COVID not the

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: shutdowns that happened at the state level and that

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: wanting a secure border with somehow being hateful and

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_05]: those are just kind of the typical lazy arguments that

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you hear from her that you hear for Kamala Harris the debate

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: for them was really a way to just keep screaming orange

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_05]: man bad. The thing that struck me from Vance's

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_05]: perspective is honestly how moderate he is you know we're

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: now in a time when the Democratic the Republican

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Party is has changed a lot since the Republican Party

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that we grew up with at the Republican Convention you

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't see George W. Bush you didn't see any of the

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Bushes you didn't see any of any you know Romney or

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_05]: anyone like that and this is a new party populist party

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_05]: you didn't hear much about tax tax cuts you didn't

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: hear much about the kind of the traditional strong

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: defense Reagan type language at one point J.D.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Vance talked about government needing to play a

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: role in providing childcare for the average American so

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I think part of that is a reflection of where the

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: party's going because J.D.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Vance I think does represent a demographic that many of

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: which the blue collar folks used to be you know the

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: union Democrat vote in the Midwest and a lot of them

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: are re making the party. I think the only thing

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: conservative in the Reagan kind of view that he

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: really talked about was the phrase peace through

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: strength and that was it. So you're really seeing

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: the fact that the Republican ticket Trump included

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: have moved to the middle on a lot of issues and I

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: think part of that is reflection of who they are

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the new direction they're taking the party and

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: also political strategy because they're trying to

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: co-op the middle as the Democratic Party moves

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: far farther and farther to the left.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really interesting thing to note and

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: something that we were not unfamiliar with and

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: we've even I think discussed on this show when

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you look at the Republican Party platforms or

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: after the RNC you know ostensibly. I believe

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it was Carl Rove who said that President Trump

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: has essentially fulfilled his restructuring and

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: realignment of the GOP to be libertarian. So

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that is something that I see reflected. I did

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: think his compassionate statements on child care

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: was him saying being whole life in a way that

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the pro-life movement it was almost like a dog

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: whistle to the pro-life movement when he was

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about because they're at risk of

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: losing the evangelical pro-life vote. You

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: know between when pro-lifers have two pro

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: choice candidates to vote for there are a lot

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: less mobilized and so JD Vance has a

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: history of bringing very staunchly pro-life

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: protection from conception. I think he even

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: off the cuff and casually referred to a child

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in the womb as a baby which we're not seeing

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the Republicans do and I could tell

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that was genuine of him but for him to also

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: speak with compassion about mothers that is

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: not a talking point that isn't a political

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy that's really the heart and soul

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of the pro-life movement who has spent

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: decades building up over two thousand seven

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: hundred pregnancy resource centers to care

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: for pregnant moms with resources with

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: support and I think he was discussing

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that and if the administration on that

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: side would start to make some promises

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: on that on it saying you know for every

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Planned Parenthood that's shutting down

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of providing free gynecological

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: care which they espoused to do what we

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: need to do is support pregnant moms in

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: need who are vulnerable and create a

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: culture of life where abortion is

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: viewed as less of a necessity for

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: women who's been told that's their

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: only option. That obviously stood out to

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: me I would love to get your take

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: liberty on this issue or any others that

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: from the debate you really felt like

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: one candidate excelled over the other or

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that stood out to you even as a cultural

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: moment. Yeah well I definitely I agree

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: with Richard that you know while again

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: impressed overall I could see how

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: moderate he was and even though there

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: were several moments where I think

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the two of I's president candidates

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: were like yeah you know we actually

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: share common ground on this and so I

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: would say that probably I'm surprising

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to people who have heard me on point of

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: view or to you Chelsea the pro-life

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: issue definitely stuck out to me the

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: most just because of the issue that I

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: think I feel most strongly about. I did

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: think that Vance came across as very

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: compassionate but I was a little

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: disappointed. I feel like he could

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: have made an even stronger connection

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: between the overall family policies

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that he mentioned which they both

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: talked about is needing to create a

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: better culture for families in order to

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: motivate them to have children because

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: we're having a fertility crisis and all

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of that is true. But when he was talking

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: about the abortion issue he said that

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Republicans need to earn women's

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: trust back and he kind of left it

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: hanging there insinuating that we

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: need to do that by you know allowing

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it sometimes or leaving it up to the

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: state. The walls actually said

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: something that was true that a person's

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: human rights didn't depend on their

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: geography and of course he was talking

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: about women's right to have an abortion

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: or supposed rights have an abortion

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think that's what pro-lifers

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: really need to be remembering you know

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: as well that it's not good enough

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: to say well we're just going to leave

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: it up to the both of the states and

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Vance could have come across

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: very compassionately by saying

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: we do need to earn trust women's

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: trust back as a culture but not by

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: saying yes there are certain

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: circumstances where yeah you do need

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: an abortion but saying let's be

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: stronger with creating policies and a

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: culture that would actually support

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: her during that crisis and not make her

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: feel like she has to have an abortion

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and we just haven't really had people

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: outside of the pro-life you know

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: pro-life activists saying that clearly

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think it would resonate with

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of women if the politician

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: actually was able to clearly say

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that message that we want them to get

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: across. Yes I think you couldn't be

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: more right you know another few things

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that stood out to me where I thought

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that Senator Vance did a good job

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: really pinning governor walls on

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the extreme bill that he signed and

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: although walls was misleading and

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: hidden in an accurate in his

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: response that bill is every bit is

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: extreme allowing third trimester

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: abortions repealing consent

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: repealing making it illegal for

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: women to be coerced into an abortion

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and another thing that stood out to me

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: as well was the this strange dialogue

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: about Tiananmen Square which Richard

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: before we have a short time before break

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'd love to get your thoughts on

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: on walls getting back into a corner

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: there. Well you know I mean the fact

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: of the matter is that he lied about

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_05]: it we all know when you lie you

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: have more to remember you forget and

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: he had no answer to it I think walls

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: throughout the debate came across as

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: nervous and jumpy I think that it's

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_05]: funny because they tried to portray

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Vance is weird which strikes me as a

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: bit of projection because quite

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_05]: frankly walls comes across as weird

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_05]: to me but the reason why his answer

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: was he basically had a meltdown up

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_05]: there and look to the moderators to

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: accept his answer but he gave no

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_05]: answer he gave like a two minute

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: talk about this and that and how he

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you know China is a great place to

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: visit and Trump should visit China

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_05]: but he had nothing because he lied

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_05]: about that that's that's just the

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: fact of the matter and I think that

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_05]: in that moment he malfunctioned it's

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_05]: almost like he was a robot malfunctioning

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_05]: because the Democrats since the media

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_05]: is so on their side they're not used

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: to being asked those questions

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: where they may have contradicted

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: themselves previously I mean at one

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: point he literally looked like a lost

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: puppy and was looking around asking

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I I just I misspoke do I get my treat

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: now I mean that this is literally

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: what it looks like and I think that

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you know this really shows that when

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: you you show where their lies are

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: whether it's a lie about policy or

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_05]: lie about their own lives they have

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing to stand on

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and when you call them out on it

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: the rare times the media actually does

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_05]: call them out on it they don't know

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: what to say

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and so it was a moment that really I

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_05]: mean you know they talk about what was

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: it Rick Perry's club a few years ago

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: when he couldn't remember the three

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_05]: departments he was going to take out

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: this was one of those moments but

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: worse I would say

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah more when we get back after

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: this short break

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: where does moral truth come from

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: according to 58 percent of Americans

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[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: a quarter of generation Z says

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: society determines moral truth and

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[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: only 42 percent of Americans believe

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[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about you but

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[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: chelsea yeoman

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: well welcome back to the millennial round

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: table where i am joined by richard

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: limb and liberty macarthur

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: we just broke down the vice presidential

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: debate on monday night

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: over the last few segments and then

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: last hour we had patrina mosley

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and josh barnes with us to discuss

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[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: radio

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: we are turning now to

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the longshoreman strike

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: i want to talk about it this also happened

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: on monday night around midnight

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: around 50 000 members of the

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: of the i la union walked off the job

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: monday night at midnight

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: after a coalition of employers

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: got together from east engulf ports

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: it's supposed to shut down

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: i believe the number 36 ports between

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: main and texas

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: all incoming and out

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: out coming goods it's mostly going to

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: affect from what i've read bananas

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: which is interesting

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: european goods beer wine liquor

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: furniture clothing household goods

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: european autos as well

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: really negotiation broke down between

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the workers union and the managers union

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: in june they were unable to come to a

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: consensus around

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: not only employment benefits but

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: raising their minimum wage i think it was

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: 25 to 35 dollars an hour

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know management has essentially

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: said not only did we offer to raise

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: their salaries 50 percent to account for

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: inflation in our economy right now

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but to almost double it over the course

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of the next five years and that that was

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: rebuffed essentially by the employee union

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: i want to start with you richard if

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like me and you're thinking how

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: much more expensive can it get

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to for our cost of living right now i

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: guess the answer is it can in fact get

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: more expensive and it might just be

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: about to do that is that your take on

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: this do you think it'll

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: get resolved quickly i i certainly hope

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: so what what what are your thoughts

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: on this return

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: sure uh well the first thing i'll say

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: is that um so the union is demanding a

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_05]: 77

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: raise

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and we should know that the average salary

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a salary range for these port

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: workers it ranges basically from about

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: 80 000 to 200 000 a year if you're

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: looking at

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: overtime pay and uh basically you have

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: a situation where a lot of these people

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: are making much more than the average

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: american 80 000 or more but they want

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: a 77 percent raise but in addition to

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: that raise they want the guarantee

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: because what this really is about is

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the fear of automation uh the the fear

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: of uh being replaced by technology and

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: they essentially are demanding zero

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: automation from here on out the head

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: of the union uh herald daggett who

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: by the way drives a Bentley he also

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_05]: makes just short of about a million

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_05]: a year uh he has bragged about having

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: the power to wreck the economy um and

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_05]: he has complained about the fact that

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_05]: there are easy passes that people

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: nowadays and instead of having to go to

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a cold booth operator an easy pass just

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: automates the system so if you want to

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: think about what kind of future this

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: union is envisioning uh they're

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_05]: essentially looking for a future

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_05]: where they have the monopoly on uh

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_05]: on this type of work they're being

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: paid way above market price and they

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_05]: want to remove any kind of convenience

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_05]: for all of us just to preserve union

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_05]: jobs um this strike if it because

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: these are our ports that go basically

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: from boston down to miami all the way

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: to houston the entire eastern seaboard

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: close to gulf of mexico if this

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: strike continues at some point it

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_05]: could cost about one to two billion

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_05]: dollars in commerce every day and if

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_05]: you think the inflation is bad now

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it could go the inflation could go up

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_05]: to uh from about two and a half percent

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_05]: to four percent and so that's the

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_05]: situation we have now and until

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: someone says to the unions no this is

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: what could happen and it will affect

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: all of us it will it will affect all of

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: us and not just us as consumers at

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the price of good it'll also affect

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: more than two i think more than 200

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: businesses sent a letter to the white

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: house last week asking the bind

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: administration to step in to prevent

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the strike knowing that it was coming

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because corporations who can't sell

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: goods guess what layoffs they can't

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: keep up with the cost of of doing

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: business without actually getting their

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: products sold um so liberty i want to

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: get your take because richard just

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: unpacked a whole host of information

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: wealth of knowledge for us as always

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: liberty what are your thoughts

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah um why yeah i appreciate richard's

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: perspective on this so much and just

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: personal anecdote i keep seeing on the

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: news that it's not going to affect

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: toilet paper this time but the people in

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: my town don't know that because i tried

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: to do a wal-mart pickup board this

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: morning and eat a toilet paper and

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: they're completely out of stock so

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: somebody needs to tell my neighbors

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that uh toilet paper is produced

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: domestically so that um we can buy

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: something but uh yeah i i think that

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: there are very serious concerns here

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and ironically um you know if they got

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: their demands then it will lead to more

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: loss of jobs over time and just the like

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you were both saying the cost that this

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of extended strike will have on the

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: economy is going to hurt more people

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and what i'm really interested to see

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: is how this impacts the election

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: because biden has so far been very

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: staunchly supportive of the strike

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and i mean historically supportive of

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: of union in terms of my understanding

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: richard you may be able to correct me

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: on this but you know compared to past

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: president but the economy is already

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the number one issue for voters so if it

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: gets worse right before the election

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: because biden won't do anything about

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: this strike that's affecting people then

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: how is that going to work out for

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: kamala that's what i'm wondering

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: go for it richard

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah uh i mean i would say that right

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_05]: now uh you have chaos in the world

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: right now foreign policy wise and you

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_05]: have rising prices for the last few

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: years this would only make life more

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: difficult for kamala harris because

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_05]: if the strike continues it's just one

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_05]: more thing that will be pinned on the

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_05]: current administration i.e. kamala

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_05]: harris's administration which he's

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: trying to desperately to try to get

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: everybody to forget so it's just a

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it would be a reminder of how the

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_05]: biden administration has failed

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: in its economic policy and i would

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: say that what's fascinating about this

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_05]: is that yes joe biden is hands down

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he's made his whole career about how

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: he is the pro-union president

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: he has the power he could use an

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_05]: executive order to force the port

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_05]: workers back to work for 90 days to

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: essentially cool things down but it

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't seem like he's going to of

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: that leaves the possibility if he does

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_05]: that that the workers can kind of

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_05]: slow walk their jobs and work a lot

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: slower and less productively than they

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_05]: usually do so it's a bit of a tricky

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: option but it does get you think

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: thinking about why he's not doing so

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you can blame it on a few different

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: reasons there is the theory that

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe he wants to see kamala harris

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: lose because if he if she does lose

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_05]: he gets to say look if i would have

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_05]: stayed the nominee as as i said

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: before we would have won who knows

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that's all political speculation but

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's another example of the biden harris

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: administration failing to really care

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_05]: about the average america the american

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: people and rather to care about

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_05]: democratic special interest right

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: another example would be that george

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: president george abu bush applied

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the taft-heartly act in 2002 to stop

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: an 11 day lockout of union members for

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: west coast ports it's been done before

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but president biden said he he

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: believes in collective bargaining and

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: does not believe in that act so we have

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: yet to see it it does it's reminiscent

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of a few other policies right now for

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: instance fema aid being highly limited

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to north carolina right carolines

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: right now was two um individuals from

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: maui when lai who burned down um and

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: what we saw is they said oh there's a

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: seven hundred dollar cap for american

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: citizens after this hurricane destroyed

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: north carolina um and many other

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: states flooded communities uh

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: anticipated nearly a thousand dead um or

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: 600 still missing uh they're pulling

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: bodies out of the mud and we can send

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: billions to ukraine but kamala said

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yesterday our vice president harris

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: said yesterday in her statements that

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you know fema is essentially out of funds

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not funded well enough to help

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: these communities you know just as a

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: continuation of i would hope that

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: americans are seeing a pattern here

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: where they're left as the last man

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: standing for a government that's

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: really responsible for for american

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: safety that's the government's role on

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: public safety and ensuring that the

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: economy is is going well um and so we're

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing it that dereliction of duty here

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: right on the eve of an election i'll

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: be curious to see if the new cycle is

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: going so quickly if people are paying

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: attention or able to put all this

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: together there's so much happening in

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the world um around us but it's

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly something that we can look to

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: see the impact of hopefully not too

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: long but in the foreseeable future um

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: as you mentioned richard the union had

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: said you know if we get to doing this

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: strike for two to three months it'll

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially bring the entire economy to

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a halt and so we just need to be

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: hopeful that they can reach a resolution

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that they are all on board with and

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: do so quickly more when we get back

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: after this short break

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you're listening to point of view

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[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: truth well welcome back i'm chelsea

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yeoman and we are turning now to talk

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: about a decision that came out of

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: georgia just this week i'm georgia

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: judge who has been overruled a couple

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: of times in this case by um his the

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: georgia supreme court has said that

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the state of georgia can no longer

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: enforce its heartbeat act protections

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: for children in the womb

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: um he declared that the georgia

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: heartbeat act was uh unconstitutional

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and will allow the procedure

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: immediately now in georgia to be

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: performed until the 22nd week of

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: pregnancy or viability

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: i wanted to talk about this topic

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: liberty and richard for a few reasons

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: one being that i read his analysis

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and it relied on so many i would say

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: lies that we see out of the abortion

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: industry that i wanted to talk about

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: those and kind of tease those out for

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: us so that we can be thinking about

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: how to respond or um what truth is

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: when we hear lies i think it's

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: very important and so just as a

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit of background the law was

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: signed into law by governor

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: kemp in 2019 and the georgia

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: went into effect after roe was overturned

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in 2022 and so it's been tied up in

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: these legal proceedings for a few

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: years

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially the superior court judge

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: overruled the heartbeat protections

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: relying on a few things one he said

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that unborn children he kept really

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: dehumanizing them and it's a tactic

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: we see a lot not only in law and culture

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and in medicine we see the abortion

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: industry do this all the time

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's the newest latest and greatest

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: version of the clump of cells argument

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and it is essentially saying every word

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in the book but calling it a human

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and calling it alive

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: which are the two things we know to

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: be true 98 percent of biologists

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: degree biologists secular scientists

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: say life begins at conception

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because all seven factors required

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to constitute life are in fact in place

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the moment of conception things like

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: cells being able to multiply

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: cells being able to metabolize

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: those are growth indicators

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: all of that in play biologically and so

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: we know medicine and science says two

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: things about children in the womb

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: they're human humans have humans

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: puppies have puppies

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're alive but this judge

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you know continued to say oh it's an

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: ungendered fetus or pre

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: pre-fetus material pre-cardiac activity

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of a heartbeat for instance

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: electronic pulsating of potential

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: heart tissue that's a really big

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: euphemism for what a heart describing

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: what a heartbeat medically is

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and you have to shroud abortion in

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: those terms otherwise you have to

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: deal with the truth of fundamentally

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of what abortion is it's ending a

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: human heartbeat and so I want to just

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: put that before both of you today

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that a baby is ungendered until

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: nine weeks is medically inaccurate

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because all of their chromosomes are

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: present at conception that indicates

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it's going to be a girl or a

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: boy their DNAs established at

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: conception so liberty I'm going to

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: start with you I know that you

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: know I just gave you a huge thing

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to break down but we see a lot of

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: this dehumanizing children in order

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to prop up the abortion industry

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: don't we

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: yes absolutely and like you were

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: saying we've won the science debate

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you know if you can't seriously argue

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that it's just a clump of cells and so

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: now we're on to the personhood debate

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think is harder because that

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: involves philosophy and ethics and

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: what you think truly about you know

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: who we are as human beings and how

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: we become persons but you know without

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: getting too philosophical they're trying

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to make it about controlling women

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know trying to create these

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you know scapegoats these this boogie

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: man of the you know pro-lifer or the

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: man that wants to control women's

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: bodies I think I read in the article

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that you know the judge even talked

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: about you know we don't want you

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: some man from the handmaid's tail

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: controlling women's bodies and so like

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: just the hyperbole of pulling in these

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: crazy fictional stories and trying to

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: pretend that that's the world we live

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: in when it's not just shows that how

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: far they're they're reaching for this

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and again I think we just have to

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: stay consistent as pro-life people

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and as Christians on the message that

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: what would truly show women that

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: they're valued for all that they can do

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: is to not make support conditional on

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: then being able to get an abortion but

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: to say you are valued for who God

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: created you to be and if that means

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: bringing life into the world because

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: your body is doing what it was

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: created to do then we as a culture

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: are going to still support that not

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: just pay for you to go and get an

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: abortion so the messaging has been

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: all twisted around for the people who

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: truly do value life the baby's life

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the mother's life the life of the elderly

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: like we're the ones that are being told

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're trying to control women and

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: be the humanizing one in reality it's

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: the opposite yes well we know that the

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: devil masquerades as an angel of light

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the bible says and that he is the great

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: deceiver and so anytime we start

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing these lies publicly spread you

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: know we need to call them out for

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: what they are in stand firm as believers

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in truth the truth is let's put some

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: numbers on what you just said liberty

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're never going to tell you

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this in the media the truth is the

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: abortion rate was the highest in the

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: year after row was overturned then it

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: had been in 12 years over one in

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: million children were killed by

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: abortion and that's with that's with

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know 30 percent 25 percent of

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: states protecting children in the

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: womb so yes abortion is widely

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: widely accessible thanks to abortion

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: drugs that are completely unregulated

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: being disseminated by we have women

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: showing up to human coalition clinics

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: getting drugs from russia in unmarked

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: bottles and perfume bottles no

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: instructions we've had women with 20

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: drugs show up it's the complete

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: wild west so abortion is rampant

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: no such thing as a handmade cell here

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: richard i'd love to get your input

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: on our discussion today

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_05]: sure yeah i mean

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: from what i've read there were more

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_05]: than before the life act which you were

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: talking about that was overturned

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_05]: before it kicked in there were about

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: 4400 abortions each month in georgia

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_05]: after the ban took effect that dropped

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: to about 2400 a month on average so

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you're talking about a lot of lost

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_05]: business for the abortion industry

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_05]: um you have another situation where

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: the people's representative voted on

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: this bill and of course as democrats

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and liberals love to do the will of the

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: people doesn't matter this is their

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: agenda so they have a judge

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: basically essentially become a

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: legislator erigate to himself that power

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and concoct just as they did with the

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: original road decision in 1973

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_05]: concoct pseudoscience in order to

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_05]: justify their position and uh you know

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it's really it's very difficult because

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: i think when people people

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: pro-choicers want the freedom to uh

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: to basically have abortion whenever

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: they want and their arguments is

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_05]: people will justify certain arguments

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_05]: for that without listening to the

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_05]: details without listening to the

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_05]: truth and in that sense you know

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_05]: people talk so much about how

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: conservatives and messaging and how we

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_05]: need to get better and all this kind of

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff and i know you've worked in that

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: world for a while but it's such a

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_05]: difficult disadvantage when people

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: want to hear a certain outcome they

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: want freedom regardless of morality and

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_05]: they're going to be more apt to listen

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: to the arguments that permit that

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_05]: freedom uh even if it uh means uh

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_05]: killing uh uh an unborn human being

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: then to listen to the people that have

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: facts so it's a very difficult thing

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_05]: but you're right we need to stand for

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the truth we need to call it out for

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_05]: what it is and speak to it

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: scientifically constitutionally morally

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and um and and that's how we got roe

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: v. Wade overturned in the first

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: place that's right we need that singular

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: focus of the righteousness the

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: courage of our convictions the

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: righteousness of our cause it is

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: always always good and righteous to

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: defend innocent humans um from death

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that is just a statement all believers

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: can get behind don't let the media fool

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you you've been inundated for years of

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: abortion propaganda no one nobody knows

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: what's up or down anymore but be rooted

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in scripture rooted in truth um we're

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: here to help you do that on point of

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: view of course thank you so much for

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: being with us today richard and

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: liberty go ahead and tell our

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: followers richard where they can learn

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: more about you and your work

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah uh well uh you can go to uh

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_05]: well just on your podcast at this

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_05]: president check out our podcast in law

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: abiding citizens it's so overwhelming

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so demoralizing you feel like giving up

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but we can't we shouldn't we must not

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_04]: as winston churchell said to britain

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in the darkest days of world war two

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: never give in never give in never

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: never never never yield to force

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: never yield to the apparently

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_04]: overwhelming might of the enemy and

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: that's what we say to you today

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_04]: this is not a time to give in but to

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: step up and join point of view in

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: providing clarity in the chaos we can't

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: do it alone but together with god's

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: help

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: we will overcome the darkness invest

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: in biblical clarity today at point of

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