Point of View October 25, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Across America, Live, this is Point of View, and now, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Second hour today, Dr. Merrill Matthews and Kelly Shacklehart in studio, and I jokingly say sometimes we should keep the microphones on during the break, because we got talking about Virginia, and the reason we are is that you might remember a few days ago, we talked about the fact that the governor of the Commonwealth in Virginia, that would be Glenn Youngkin,

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_06]: had actually sent out an executive order back in August, saying that if indeed you were self-identifying as an individual who's not a citizen, and you do that when you actually get a driver's license, you check the box, and then they went and wrote back again and said, are you still a non-citizen, and you either didn't react or reacted in the affirmative,

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_06]: that then the goal was to remove, it turns out to be about 1,600 people that are on the voter rolls who are self-identified non-citizens.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, just because they're on the voter rolls doesn't mean they would vote, but quite possibly they would, and so there we talked about the fact that instead of saying, well, that seems right, and this was a law that was passed by the former Democratic Governor Tim Kaine,

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and signed by him, that this would be fine, and then of course, as we already have talked about, the Biden-Harris administration Justice Department sued,

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and Kelly, we just found out that the judge uphold that suit, and so those names are not going to be withdrawn. Is that true?

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, I mean, it's fairly amazing, right? You've got a Democratic governor who, you know, was behind this, I mean, supportive of this.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: The Justice Department, the DOJ, was supportive of this. They cleared it as a law. They said, this is fine.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's not somebody theorizing. It's somebody who filled out the driver's license and checked, I'm not a citizen.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And so they have a regular, you know, system there where when that happens, they go through, and on a regular basis, they say, oh, well, you know, there's a number of non-citizens that, you know,

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: they don't need to be on the voter roll, and so they send them a letter, and they even have an ability to vote provisionally or whatever they need to do,

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_05]: but they send them a letter, they give them 15 days to say, you know, if there's a, if you checked the wrong thing or if you did something.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And so they remove 1,600 in regular course like they normally do of people who said they were, who said they were non-citizens.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_05]: The shocking part to me is, number one, that the Department of Justice filed a legal action.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I know. How politicized has that department become?

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you'll remember back when there was a Black Panther outside, you know, they won't take action before an election.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing. Even if there's massive violations, they won't take action.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But all of a sudden now, you clean off through a law that Democrats were the ones behind and everybody was in favor of,

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and they go into court, and again, shocker number two, judge says, throw these 1,600 non-citizens onto the voting roll.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm ordering it immediately.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is, I mean, this is why people around the country are worried about the integrity of the vote.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they see stuff like this, and they think, you know, I don't know if this is going to be legit.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And that, you know, so to me, it's important, obviously, that we have, you know, one person, one vote.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That somebody doesn't cancel your vote who's illegal, who's voting, you know, who's putting five votes in for themselves,

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: or is not a citizen, or you name it.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's also really important that people have confidence that those votes are legitimate.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think the integrity of the vote is something that both sides, I wish, could come together.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But we've got one side that, you know, really seems to battle against that all the time now.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Things that they used to be for, they're against.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a really important thing.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it wasn't too long ago when we had Democratic Congresswomen and men objecting and saying they had questions about the vote of, you know, for Bush.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that was recent.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And so this is, you know, both sides need to feel confident that things are done right.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And so to have, you know, people give an ID and to have all these things that we tried to put in place are so important.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But we've got the Department of Justices, you know, arguing to throw on.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And they succeeded 1,600 people who said they were noncitizens onto the voting role in Virginia.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, in the broader context, we're talking about this in Virginia, but a lot of states go through and we use the term purge.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little bit pejorative sounding.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But they go through because there are people who've moved out of the states, people who've moved into other counties, and maybe they're registered in one place and not in another place.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: People who have died and passed away.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: There's several reasons people should no longer be on the voter rolls in a state or in a particular area.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And the states try to go through and sort of clean those up every now and then.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And typically Democrats come in and say that's voter suppression.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And going back to Kelly's point about you, this is part of the reason why some people get kind of suspicious about what's happening.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me that if people are dead and the state's not supposed to take their name off the roll, that somehow that's voter suppression?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It may be in Democratic districts, but it's not supposed to be.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But it does raise these questions that have just gotten people really, really nervous about the election and upset when they see anything they think is wrong.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, again, you had John Fun on, and he wrote the book Stealing Elections.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, in this particular case, you might wonder, and I want to get your thoughts, these other states are actually purging or removing people that shouldn't be on the voter rolls.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Why Virginia?

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that may have to do with the fact that Virginia was assumed to be a blue state, assumed that Kamala Harris would win it.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's no real conviction now.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of hesitation about whether or not Kamala Harris can win Virginia and those electoral votes.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And I cannot come up with a scenario, really, by which if she loses Virginia, she gets the requisite 270 electoral votes.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And the amazing thing is if these 1,600, if some of them did go in and vote, because sometimes people just don't, you know, you see this occasionally.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know, and they go in and vote.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they end up getting in trouble.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So the Justice Department is actually an accomplice in them being criminals if they do it inadvertently.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, again, sometimes they don't get in trouble because we've had in the studio here Senator Huffines when he was a state senator here.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And he pointed out that they were finding that there were non-citizens voting here in Dallas, where we're broadcasting from today, all the way back to 1980.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Can you imagine voting?

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And some of them did not know that even though they were not citizens, they couldn't go and vote.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And so to say that none of that happens and to have this hand-waving you get from the Brennan Center and the ACLU and other groups like that and say, no, no, these are really secure situations for elections are not the case.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's a provision to take care of it.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: If they accidentally took your name off the roll, like you checked the wrong box or whatever, you can provisionally vote and they can clear that up.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not like there's a danger that wouldn't have been taken care of.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This kind of thing really violates just basic common sense.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And it makes Americans very suspicious.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: We want to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And when, again, you make it easy for a person to cheat and know that this person could actually vote for your candidate, there's the problem.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's take a break.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: According to an increasing number of politicians, the First Amendment doesn't protect misinformation.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Ironically, most of what they are saying is misinformation.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Former Senator John Kerry told the audience at the World Economic Forum that the First Amendment is a roadblock to progress because it allows people to spread misinformation.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_06]: He lamented that our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to hammer it out of existence.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh criticized social media sites because they act as a megaphone for misinformation.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And two years ago, he proclaimed there's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_06]: But let's focus on his most recent statement in the debate he had with Senator J.D.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Vance, who challenged him on his prior statement that the First Amendment does not cover misinformation.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_06]: His response was the classic, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the test.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it is not.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_06]: The quote comes from Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_06]: In a 1919 case of Schenck v.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_06]: The United States, he argued that the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing panic.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_06]: In the context, it had nothing to do with a case involving two members of the Socialist Party of America.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_06]: It is not law, and it is not the Supreme Court test.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: In fact, it comes from one of the darkest chapters of U.S. history when the government passed the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I believe the cure for bad speech is more speech.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: The cure for misinformation is not censorship, but making more accurate information available.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Back once again, and we want to go to a couple of other articles.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_06]: One other one into the category.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about some of the votes and some of the articles related to Kamala Harris.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_06]: This one relates to Donald Trump.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: We mentioned, of course, some of the questions about him and his personality, but the bigger question is some of the individuals that want to work with Donald Trump.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And, of course, that could certainly be people like Tulsi Gabbard and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_06]: But you've written a piece here on a vote for Donald Trump as a vote for Elon Musk, because it does seem like he might actually work in the government.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how much time he's going to be able to give to it in the Government Efficiency Commission.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_06]: But, Dr. Merrill Matthews, you've actually dug into this.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_06]: So what have you found?

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, there are discussions that Donald Trump has essentially offered him a Government Efficiency Commission of Elon Musk.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I had seen at one point, I thought he said he would take that if Donald Trump is elected, but I don't see that in every place.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea being that you have to have somebody in there to start shrinking the government, making it more efficient.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And my sense is that if you're looking for somebody who has sort of the power, not the power, but the ability and the foresight and the innovativeness to do that, Elon Musk is probably the best person.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We tried this back in 1982.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Ronald Reagan appointed Peter Grace to do what we call the Grace Commission.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They reported out in January of 1984 their recommendations.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They said if you follow all our recommendations, you're going to save, I think it was like $450 billion, which is a lot.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of money today, but it's a really a lot of money in the 1980s.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The government didn't take them up on most of those things, but it was going to be a lot of savings.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So they made a lot of recommendations.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you probably if you did something like this, you'd probably have to have give something, give Musk something with little teeth in it.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of it may take Congress, but in order to be able to do this, because everybody who's been around Washington knows that you've got just the number of employees that are there.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: There was an article in the Wall Street Journal, I think this past week, where they're having so much trouble getting government employees to come back to work.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't know what they're doing.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They're out there.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: They're on the payroll, and they don't know what they're doing.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've had a friend who went to work for the Commerce Department one time, and he said when they were walking him around, he said,

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: well, Joe sits here, but we don't see him very often because Joe doesn't come in very much.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And what does Joe do?

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I'm not entirely sure, but this is where Mabel works.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't see her very often either.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And this was years.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This was before the pandemic.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this stuff goes on, and you need to be able to shrink this workforce, make it more efficient, upgrade their technology.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of people are using old, old computers and old, old software.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you could get a much more efficient government with far fewer people and one that works better for us.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and again, my experience today is that I've been out of town twice, and so we have the U.S. Postal Service hold our mail.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And when we came back the first time, they were supposed to dump it off, never saw it, never saw it again.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Eventually, it showed up because we caught a mailman.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Today, again, we were supposed to receive the mail that they held.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It never showed up.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: We went to the post office, and you got Mabel going back in the back room trying to find it, trying to see if it's there.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm thinking, this is not Federal Express.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever followed Federal Express or even Amazon?

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's in the distribution warehouse.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_06]: It's out for delivery.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It was actually delivered to your home.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's a photo of it.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what happens in the private sector.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And, of course, we all know what the public sector is like.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And some of the computers that these individuals use, because every once in a while I get a chance to go where one of the bureaucracies are.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just really embarrassing what little equipment we have given to some of these federal workers.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting is that Musk has succeeded in so many places where the government has failed,

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to make electric cars, trying to get the rocket off the ground.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, several things he's just been very, very successful at.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And so if he had the freedom to be able to innovate in this, I don't know what it would look like,

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but I suspect it could be a very, very restructured government.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, government's not business, so it can't run exactly like that.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But it could certainly run a lot more like a business where people will show up to work, budgets are set, budgets are met, and other things.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And that just is not the case in the federal government.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Saving money, too, because in the U.S., almost 3 million federal workers.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And then according to your best estimates, they all make six-figure incomes.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_06]: At least the average federal employee makes a six-figure income.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No, $106,000.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the estimates out there of the companies that practice.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: $106,000 a year.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not counting benefits.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I kept looking there to say if this is the benefits included.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No, $106,000 a year.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Go to work for the government.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a ticket to the good life.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is a big deal, this whole – this is sort of the – it's not talked about as much.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's not only big in what it could do for our country, but it's big in what I think will help – is helping Trump.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_05]: When he was president, remember what happened when they were trying to come up with vaccines, right?

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean –

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Operation Warp Speed.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: A businessman who was saying, well, I'm just going to have these companies compete.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to force them through competition to kind of come up with solutions.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean he involved the private sector in a way.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And he did this in a number of different avenues, which is really smart, right?

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Not that the government control the private industry, but involve them in a competition to do something good for our country where it will benefit them financially.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think this is great.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think most people know if you bring in – I mean not just Elon Musk.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean let's bring in four or five great business people who know where to cut and all that.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Peter Thiel and some people like that.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's have them throw in on where we could make cuts.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think this is smart on the political side too because there are people who are Elon Musk fans.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_05]: That are certainly not Donald Trump fans, right?

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe young entrepreneurs.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe – I mean you can – and I think the same thing about RFK.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: RFK, right?

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I know a lot of RFK fans that would never have voted for Trump.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: But are rethinking that.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean their issue – if your issue is things like the quality of food, health care, the FDA.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean what – the corruption of not only big corporate but government combining together the reason everybody's sick.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, there are a certain number of people who vote for Trump who fall in line with that.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Not most probably but some.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'll bet you the high percentage of those people that are maybe about to get everything they've really wanted if they vote for Trump.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I bet most of those people would never have voted for Trump, right?

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's managed to get some coalitions through this of other people.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It is a good thing to bring these people and let them try to improve what's going on with the government.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_05]: But it also is politically very savvy.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's adding new voters who would not vote for you.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think this is one of those things not talked about a lot in the campaign.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I hope that there are some exit polling and things like that to figure out what kind of difference these kinds of things made because I think it's an interesting approach.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And we should know and we would if they ask questions of people in the exit polling.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Elon Musk has a cult following out there.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's just there are millions of people who are just infatuated with him and follow him, invest in Tesla and other things just because Elon Musk is doing that.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I know people like that.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And my guess is if I had to sort of just pick out, my guess is most of them are maybe a bit nerdy, maybe very tech people and so forth.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And people who I suspect probably wouldn't necessarily be first in line to vote.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But if Elon Musk looks like he's going to be in the administration, may very well pull a lot of those people who I suspect are younger, more innovative entrepreneur types or techie people who might not just be that interested in politics because they're so interested in software.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that may help Trump significantly just in the voting aspect of it.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: How would you have ever predicted this, that you'd have a Donald Trump coalition that involves some of the groupies of RFK Jr., some of those that are maybe groupies of Elon Musk, as long as you even have the Bitcoin voters and all sorts of stuff.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, just all this is the wildest and most unusual coalition.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And let's not forget how much money Elon Musk is putting into this race.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He is pouring millions and millions of dollars into this, even doing a raffle for people who are willing to go out and register.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll pull a name out and that person wins a million dollars.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And now the Justice Department is saying, let's see if that's going to be illegal.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It might be.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, when we come back, we're going to talk about the U.S. Senate.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And, of course, we've already pointed out some of this has changed dramatically.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And the sleeper issue in some of these Senate campaigns is the transgender issue.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Tammy Baldwin is not doing well in Wisconsin.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Eric Hoved might indeed beat her in Wisconsin over the issue of transgender.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: We mentioned, of course, Texas here.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_06]: You have, of course, the issue of Ted Cruz dealing with, of course, a vote that was in the Congress rather than in the Senate.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_06]: But then you have the same thing in Ohio.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And, again, it does appear that Moreno is ahead there.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And so who would have guessed that one of the key sleeper issues would be transgender?

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's what we're going to talk about right after these important messages.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They say men can be women and women men.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: People are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics.

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[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

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[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We now have a number of articles that we have posted on the senatorial elections.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And just a minute, I'll come back to Kelly to remind us why we're paying as much attention to the United States Senate and the senatorial elections as we are the presidential elections.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But let me talk about polls.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And again, the only one that really counts is November.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But the trend is interesting because if you've been paying attention a couple of weeks ago, we talked with Dr. Merrill Matthews about the fact that if you look at the seven swing states, five of those had Senate races.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And in those Senate races, the Democrats were leading no longer.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me just give you a couple of examples.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_06]: First of all, I just would want to mention Ohio because that's another place where this transgender issue.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Senator Brown voted against prohibiting men from participating in women's sports, boys from participating in girls' sports.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Moreno is ahead 49-47 over Senator Brown.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I mentioned just a minute ago Wisconsin, which is a swing state.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_06]: You, of course, have Senator Baldwin, Tammy Baldwin, and the businessman Eric Hoved is ahead 49-48.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And then, of course, you go to Nevada, which is another swing state.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's now a 48-48 tie.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And those same states, Ohio, Trump is ahead 52-44.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So that one's done.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Wisconsin, 48-47.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And then Nevada, again, 50-47.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_06]: That one is done.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_06]: You start adding up some of these swing states.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_06]: But, again, Dr. Matthews, before we get to some of the other articles, this one here that I posted by Alexander Bolton,

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Senate Democrats running away from Harris in a blue wall states.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And some of those are simply due to the fact that if you were a United States senator and you voted against a very clean bill,

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_06]: it was only simply focusing on can we let people with male body parts, XY chromosomes, participate in various activities,

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_06]: whether it's in the shower room or in the locker room or out on the field.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And when you vote against that bill, that has been used against these in the Senate race.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It also showed up here in the state of Texas because Ted Cruz is making a case about Colin Allred, who has run against him,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_06]: also voted against that in the House of Representatives.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And this issue of transgenderism has become kind of the sleeper issue.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It has become a sleeper issue, and it has taken a higher stance, especially from the Republican side,

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: so it gives them something to talk about, which just makes common sense to sort of offset the abortion issue on the other side.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw Riley Gaines here just recently was giving a speech, and she said,

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: people tell me they're going to vote for Kamala Harris because she's a woman.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And she says, well, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump because I'm a woman.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And that gets at the point that women are just being put at risk in so many cases

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because of the push to make sure that biological males can go into the women's restroom,

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: can compete against women in sports.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really just an issue that the average person says, I just don't get that.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why you're trying to do that.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think this is the whole – I mean, the normal American, you know, they want to be nice,

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: but they know these are not their values.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't want their children, their grandchildren, you know, who are, you know, their girls,

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_05]: their granddaughters, to have to have a male taking a shower in their locker room.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And they certainly don't want like what happened to Riley Gaines.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, somebody who worked their whole life, you know, just – I mean, a lot of work to get to the stage

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: where she could win the NCAA championship and then to throw a male who's not a very good swimmer on the male side

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: but can come over and compete for the championship and tied her, did not beat her, tied her.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And they still said we're putting him on the top of the podium, which tells you everything.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: That's wrong.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody knows it's wrong who's like a normal person.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And so somebody who wouldn't stand up for their girls, for their granddaughters, I mean,

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: that's something that doesn't take a lot of explaining.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: People know where they are.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was kind of – you know, that whole issue was kind of popular because people – mainly through fear.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: People didn't – I don't want to be seen as mean or whatever, so I won't say anything.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And so at the beginning, it was kind of hip or woke to be, you know, in favor of this.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But the tide has turned.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: People have had enough and they've seen the consequences, and they're against it now.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And now they're looking at who stood where when the battle was really on.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is coming, you know, to really bite some of these folks who were jumping on the woke bandwagon.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think it's – you know, it's hard to get a lot of these issues are so complicated and political and people go, I can't understand all this.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: They understand boy, girl.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: They get this one.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: They get the boy, girl.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They get that.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And the broader issue on that is that some of these Democrats in close races are beginning to sound a little more like Donald Trump.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to the ads of Colin Allred here in Texas running against Ted Cruz, his ad comes up, we need to fix the border.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be strong on the border.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he has some Border Patrol people around him talking about how he's really going to help out and fix the border.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And you said to that, well, Colin, Colin, you haven't voted for anything on the border.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You've never said anything about the border until now.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you get this sense of –

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He did call it a racist border, by the way.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You get this sense that they're looking at this and saying, here are these issues that Republicans are doing well on,

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and they start moderating their tone a little bit in ways that – and if their opponents, their Republican opponents pick up on this,

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: they can begin to highlight and show the hypocrisy of these people who have took – just like Kamala Harris,

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: who took one position for the longest time, but now that they're in a close race, they want to take a different position.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's look at another swing state, Pennsylvania, and that is Bob Casey.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: The other day, actually, he's embraced tariff policies.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, by the way, some of us aren't real thrilled about tariffs, but we'll leave it at that.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And all his ads, not one of them mentions his party affiliation, and that's because David McCormick is doing a lot better there.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: So, again, you can see that whether it's the transgender issue or whether it is that you vote 90 percent of the time with Biden or with Kamala Harris or with Nancy Pelosi,

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: whatever fact you want to use is the case.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And so that is certainly an issue.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that one's a little bit of a – I think a – I don't know, a reminder that Donald Trump really screwed up.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm willing to acknowledge that.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_05]: When he – you know, two years earlier –

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because McCormick is going to probably win what could have been won before.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He could have – he would have won over Fetterman, I think.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And instead he pushed a celebrity, Dr. Oz, on there who wasn't even really from Pennsylvania.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And so Trump really bears the blame for that, and it's showing because he's doing so much better.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And Casey's a much more difficult opponent.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: For lots of reasons.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And yet McCormick is performing surprisingly well from somebody who's popular, who has a longstanding name in the state of Pennsylvania.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, the issues are the issues.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you can get people to focus on the issues, that can make a big difference in these races, and it is in his.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And most of these Democrats who are trying to look a little more centrist voted 90 or 100 percent with Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Chuck Schumer.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And now they want to try to walk it back and say, well, I know I work with the other side.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to make concessions and so forth.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you didn't in most of those pieces of legislation.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So the bad thing for Republicans, which they can never get together, right, because they're all standing on their own principles.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And it actually is finally coming back to help them a little bit.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And the Democrats all being locked in one vote is kind of coming back to hurt them with some of these key candidates.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me just mention real quickly that you're going to be asked for giving money and all sorts of things.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But Chuck Schumer's wins Senate PAC right now.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_06]: He's spending some money in places like Ohio and in Pennsylvania, which we just mentioned.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And in some cases, some significant amount of dollars in the millions in Wisconsin and the millions in Michigan.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_06]: What has he sent to Texas?

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Texas, $60,000.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's because he perceives the others as potentially winnable.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So the discussion this week is Colin Allred is only one point behind Ted Cruz.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the...

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Democrats aren't sending any money.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the average of polls, it's more like four points.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about four points.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But Chuck Schumer knows Colin Allred is not going to win Texas.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And so they don't want to put that money into that race.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And they also aren't spending any money in Florida and Nebraska.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_06]: So again, you know, money is the mother's milk of politics.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And if the Democrats aren't putting money in there, they've sort of conceded some of those states in the senatorial ratios.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And a good piece that I wanted you to read is by Jim Garrity.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_06]: He points out that really the way the press is covering this isn't as good.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And he quotes from, of all things, Ben Rhodes used to be with the Obamas, saying, you know,

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_06]: it used to be that you had individuals that were really aware of these issues.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_06]: He says now the average reporter is like 27 years of age.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_06]: His only reporting experience has been around political campaigns.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And he says they literally know nothing.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's Ben Rhodes, a Democrat, saying that about the media.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's right.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's right.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_06]: So we have covered presidential campaigns, senatorial campaigns.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_06]: When we come back, will we know who won on election night?

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, please.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_06]: But more importantly, Kelly, I want you to speak for a few minutes about what about these Christians that aren't going to go out and vote?

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to talk about that right after this.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: A false abortion narrative lives in our presidential politics.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The narrative is that state restrictions on abortion, passed since the Dobbs decision in 2022, are placing women in serious danger.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Supposedly, hospitals fearing they'll run afoul of state law are refusing to treat women for miscarriages or abortion complications.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Abortion advocates, including our vice president, blamed the Supreme Court for the death of Amber Thurman, age 28, following a medication abortion.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She was nine weeks pregnant with twins.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Medication abortions accounted for 63% of all abortions in 2023.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The sustained growth in the use of the abortion pill since it was approved in 2000 is due in large part to the FDA's progressive easing of restrictions on its use.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Many medical experts contend the FDA did not adequately study its safety.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: The FDA approved the two-drug regimen to be used during the first seven weeks of pregnancy and in 2016 extended the requirement to 10 weeks gestation and allowed non-physicians to prescribe the drugs.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: In 2021, the Biden administration eliminated the requirement that women seeking a medical abortion be evaluated in person by a medical professional.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: A Wall Street Journal editorial states the obvious.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Thurman's death affirms what anti-abortion activists have argued, that the two-pill abortion regimen is far more dangerous than its advocates claim.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Since Georgia's abortion law bans abortions after six weeks gestation, Amber Thurman made an appointment at a North Carolina clinic for a surgical abortion.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She arrived too late for the appointment.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than reschedule the surgical abortion, Amber opted to begin a medical abortion.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She took the first pill and drove back to Georgia.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: At home, days later, she vomited and passed out.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She was taken to a Stockbridge, Georgia hospital.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The babies had no heartbeat.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Standard treatment involves an antibiotic and a DNC, but it was hours before Amber received either.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: She died of sepsis.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No court decision or law prevented her timely treatment.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Kelly Jackelford, Merrill Matthews in studio.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought for just a minute we wanted to point you to a piece which has lots of great material, but I thought I'd just focus on one part of it.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_06]: When might we know who won?

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And it goes back to 2000 in that particular case where Al Gore looked like he might actually win because he was ahead in the popular vote,

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_06]: but the vote was so close that a statewide recount was implemented.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_06]: The machine count was even closer.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_06]: It led to a very close issue.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_06]: The Supreme Court finally ruled out the hand recounts, and so by 537 votes after a long extended period of time, George W. Bush was declared president.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_06]: 2016, this one looks at nine different areas.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: We normally talk about seven, but this also includes Nebraska and Minnesota in how it took at least a day or two to get those.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And then in 2020, the same situation where you look at those seven, but again recognizing how close these have been,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_06]: because in 2016 Donald Trump won three swing states by 77,000 votes.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: In 2020, Joe Biden won three swing states by 42,000 votes.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_06]: If you ever listen to Charlie Kirk, he says we're just 42,000 votes behind, you know, is what he was saying if you look at those swing states.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And so as a result, Dr. Merrill Matthews, you're the one that pointed this out.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We are hoping that on election day or night, or certainly by the next day we will know,

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_06]: but given the fact that Pennsylvania seems to take almost as long to count some of these votes as Florida did back in 2000,

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_06]: we might not know, and if it's really close, the election again could go into overtime.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And Florida after 2000 fixed its election system, so now that early votes are able to come in,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: they have to be in by 7 p.m. on the day of the election,

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but they start counting them beforehand, so they've got those done so that in Florida,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a few hours after the polls close, they've got the numbers.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: California doesn't do that.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: California says you can postmark it.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's postmarked on the day of the election, we'll still count it.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And if it comes in a week later, and that won't make difference in most cases,

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but in a few close races, it might very well make a difference.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And that just once again goes back to this issue of raising concerns among people.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't really get us the total by late evening, early the next morning,

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: it looks like you're waiting to find out how many votes you have,

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but how many votes you need in order to be able to swing that state.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And you think about this, Maricopa County, which is in Arizona,

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_06]: which again is one of the problem spots, has about as many people or maybe even less than Florida,

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: and Florida counts it like that, and they solve the problem.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But somehow we just can't seem to count those votes in Pennsylvania, California,

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and certain places even in Arizona.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's what causes some people to be a little bit skeptical.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It's ridiculous, right?

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Florida is the greatest example.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that was a mess, right?

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, everybody knew that was a mess.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_05]: You heard about Broward County and the hanging chads and all of that, right?

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And, I mean, wow, did they fix that well.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the last election, you know, I mean, it was incredible.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: They were so quick.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And it just shows that competence really does matter.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And every state who wants to do this can do it, but that's the problem.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: There are states who don't want to do this.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And that gives people pause, obviously, about, you know, what exactly they're doing

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: or what their priorities are.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just mention a couple of other things in that because they have five or six different points,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but recounts are rare, and they rarely reverse outcomes.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's an important point to take a look at.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Beware of the disinformation deluge, there's going to be a lot of that.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no trusted referees anymore.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's an interesting point because so many people don't trust the mainstream media.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: If they trust the mainstream media, they don't trust Fox.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't trust the judges.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't trust the Supreme Court because of all the attacks and so forth.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes it, again, a real problem.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If you feel like I can't trust election judges, I can't trust the judges in the courts,

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: if something goes to the courts, it makes it just very, very difficult for people.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we suspect that we probably will talk about any of the voting irregularities after November 5th.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_06]: We've got some people scheduled there.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And it really doesn't matter who's elected.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_06]: As a matter of fact, in some respects, if Donald Trump was elected and then we focus on it,

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_06]: people then would say, well, then you really are concerned about voter integrity.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not trying to necessarily manipulate the vote.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_06]: But it brings us back to the bigger issue.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_06]: And for those of you that don't get the newsletters that come from First Liberty,

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Kelly today talks about the fact that in your case you're talking about people that are born-again Christians,

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_06]: which is 41 million, certainly George Barner talks about about 32 million, but whatever the number is,

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_06]: we have tens of millions of Christians who say they're not going to vote.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know how you could say that after all the things we've talked about today.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I would encourage people to look at that info, and especially if you're a pastor,

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: or get this to your pastor.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: This is why I had David Barton and I both reached out to George Barner and asked him to do the polling.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: The one thing I really wanted was how many people who are real, you know, believing Christians are saying they're probably not going to vote.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And I knew, I had a feeling, knew it would be larger and shocking to us probably.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And I wanted to give time for pastors to see this so that they would realize they could do something about this.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: 41 million evangelical Christians are likely not to vote.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_05]: 32 million who attend a church regularly, like every week.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, these aren't people that, like, don't know their Bible or whatever.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you looked at the reasons, the reasons are pretty lame.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It was, well, I don't know that my vote really matters.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: That was the number one.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, well, I'm not really, I don't pay attention to politics.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And the other was, I don't really like either of the two candidates for president.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And all of which are bogus reasons.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But the good news from this, and there is good news from it, is that 17% of those people who said they're not planning to vote said if their pastor mentioned this, that they would go vote.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that is over 5 million additional voters who are believers, who know the scripture, who know right from wrong.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: 14 or 15% said if their friends or family would talk to them about this and ask them that they would go vote.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, you look at the difference from just that.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_05]: As you talked about, 20,000 votes, this state, you know.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this changes the election.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And it comes directly from the body of Christ.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, I would encourage people that, number one, be aware of this and let other people know of this.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But make sure you give them the good news.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The bad news is people need to understand.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not only, you know, some people feel like it's moral to not vote because the candidates are bad.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, pastors need to tell people this is unbiblical.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_05]: God gave you something precious, the freedom that you're going to be able to pass down to your kids, your grandkids.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: The idea that we would take what he's given us and just dump it.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we have a stewardship responsibility.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: But on the positive side, it's an opportunity.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we get to represent Christ.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_05]: What we're supposed to do as Christians is represent Christ in every area of society.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody in our business, in our family, not just in our church, and in the voting booth.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, I mean, this is kind of basic, but go vote.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And make sure you're pastors.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the things I've been encouraged by this year, a lot of pastors are standing up.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_05]: They're not telling people who to vote for, but they're telling them you need to go vote.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And I hope every pastor will do that sometime.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: If they haven't already done it, the next two weekends are opportunities to do that.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Because there's a lot of people that are waiting to hear from them.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I might just mention we'll be broadcasting live from Georgia, but I will post this piece.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Will people of faith vote in November?

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Again, 17% said they would vote if they were encouraged to do so.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Or family members, 14%.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought this was interesting.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_06]: 10% of a religious leader actually endorsed a candidate.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_06]: So, a great survey.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's, again, I know most of you are probably going to vote, but you know people that may not.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And we want to put that resource in your hands as well.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_06]: First of all, I want to thank everybody that's been a part of this this week.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And most importantly, thank you, Megan, for engineering the program.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Steve, thank you for producing the program.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll see you back here on Monday right here on Point of View.

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