Point of View October 23, 2024 – Hour 2 : Do No Harm

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Hannah Dexter.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for joining us for the second hour of Point of View.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a story that one writer, Ben Johnson from the Washington Stand, says is a nuclear bomb study.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And we posted his article at pointofview.net.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The title is Nuclear Bomb Study Shows 14,000 Children Have Undergone Trans Procedures.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just amazing what's happened on this issue in the United States in the last few years.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And with me to discuss this is Michelle Havrila.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: She is she would she's with Do No Harm, the organization that really tries to fight for just protection of children in this whole area of the transgender ideology.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the director of programs at Do No Harm.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And she is also an oncology certified nurse practitioner by training.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: She has experience in health care technology.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And she now at Do No Harm focuses on the dangers of gender ideology impacting children today, something that we talk about often in Point of View.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for being with us, Michelle.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you joining us.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me today.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about this study.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The Family Research Council's Washington Stand says this is a nuclear bomb.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so this is this is a database that we created.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's publicly available and really an online resource for everyone that exposes the sex change and industry that is happening throughout the country.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Looking at all 50 states and focusing on minor children under the age of 17 and a half of what is happening in major health care facilities throughout the country.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So what is happening?

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me tell me about some of the numbers.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that the main headline is that nearly 14,000 minors have under under under under undergone undergone this surgery.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What about I guess some of it is not surgery.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The 14,000 includes everything puberty blockers cross sex hormones and surgeries.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: What about just specifically the surgeries?

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So what we found were about 5,700 minors.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So again, these are children under the age of 17 and a half that have undergone some type of what we would call a body modification surgery.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So whether top surgery or body body bottom surgery, anything that would make them appear to look like the opposite sex.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we also found is that about 8500 patients overall receive some type of cross sex hormone or puberty blocker.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And that resulted in about $120 million in charges to insurance companies over that five year period between 2019 and 2023.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we will say that this is a very, a very conservative estimate based on our methodology.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: We feel that this is really a floor or just the tip of the iceberg of what we believe is happening throughout the country.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So are these what kinds of organizations?

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just focus specifically on the surgeries.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're often done in hospitals, but are they necessarily done in hospitals?

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, what we found is that a good majority are being done at what we would call outpatient surgical centers or at private facilities.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what has been the most lucrative part of this type of procedure.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So this may be a child who may come in on the same day and have a procedure done and leave that same day.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not necessarily your children's hospital or your local community hospital where these procedures are being done.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But some of them are major hospitals.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at your list here.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, for instance.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: This is correct.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So in part of how we selected that list when we talked about our dirty dozen is that we looked not only at what they were doing in terms of sex change treatments,

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but we also were interested in their influence on the community and disseminating this ideology at large.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Children's Hospital of Philadelphia was certainly one of them.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: One of those we looked at Connecticut Children's, Children's Minnesota.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: These are institutions that are very, very vocal and very outspoken in promoting this ideology, not only within their state but nationwide.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's amazing because one would think that they would not want to be vocal about what they're doing.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, don't most Americans look down upon this type of surgery?

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Most people that you talk to would say this is really, really quite amazing that we're even doing something like this to a minor child.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And especially when you look at that from the surgery perspective, all of this is irreversible.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you would perform, say, a bottom surgery, this is just kind of the common terminology that's used,

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: that would essentially render this child infertile and unable to have children of their own one day.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's really, it's just really astonishing to see what is happening at many of our major medical centers throughout the country.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It really is.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So can you compare this with Europe?

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know that there has been the CASS report and there's been a closure of one of the main centers for gender transition.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So is public opinion different than in the U.S. in the U.K.?

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I can speak to the public opinion in the U.K. specifically, but what I will say is that unfortunately from the American perspective,

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: we're really lagging behind what's happened in Europe and in the U.K.,

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: where they have pretty much prevented any type of these procedures being done on children,

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: both surgical and puberty blockers and hormone blockers.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But what we're seeing is many of these large medical institutions within our own country are really still pushing very hard to promote this ideology,

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: where really in public opinion within the country is that, no, we really don't want this to happen to children at all.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like, and I don't know if this will turn around in the U.S. too,

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but it seems like many of the medical societies actually look down upon medical personnel who oppose this or who stand up or who are whistleblowers.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: These types of people have to be very courageous, including probably many of you at Do No Harm.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That is correct.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Most of the major medical organizations such as the AMA and the American Pediatric Society or the Association are really very much in favor of promoting this ideology,

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: whereas for the majority of citizens throughout the country are really in opposition.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And I would say for most, most clinicians themselves are really baffled by why we're even doing this,

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_04]: but feel that they're being silenced by these larger organizations that are still promoting this ideology.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And what I will say is one of the things as we were researching these larger hospitals, these children's hospitals,

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: is that a common theme that we see is that most of these gender clinics are run by a very outspoken physician activist

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: who may be a minority, but they're a very, very vocal and outspoken minority within the institution.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And so these practices are allowed to continue and sometimes celebrated and promoted when realistically we know that these are not

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: substantiated scientifically and really not supported by a large majority of clinicians.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot more to ask you after the break, but Michelle Havrila is my guest and she's with Do No Harm.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Talking about this study that shows 14,000 children have undergone transgender procedures,

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: over, well, about 6,000 surgeries.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That just seems like so many kids.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Over 200 hospitals, they say, provide this kind of care to children.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And we will discuss it more after this.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Stick with us for more of Point of View.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the challenges the U.S. will face in the future will exist no matter who was elected in November.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is also true sometimes one candidate or policy can make a bad problem worse.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The continued funding of Social Security is a good example.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The Congressional Budget Office declared that to fund Social Security, the payroll tax rate will have to be raised 35%.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The CBO estimates that revenue for Social Security will remain stable for the rest of the century,

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but Congress will have to raise the payroll tax rate from 12.4% to 16.7%, which is a 35% increase.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: However, the revenue for Social Security might not be enough if Donald Trump is able to get legislation through Congress

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that would eliminate the income tax on Social Security benefits.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The CBO estimates that the payroll tax revenue would decline over time,

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but assumes that it would be offset by an increase in income tax revenue from beneficiaries.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, Kamala Harris would like to increase benefits for Social Security.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Since the CBO assumes that the revenue would be relatively stable for the rest of the century,

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: any increase in benefits would make Social Security insolvent,

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: unless Congress decides to increase the Social Security payroll tax by more than 35%.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The other variable is Congress.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It is questionable whether newly elected members of Congress would be willing to increase the payroll tax rate.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Their opponents in the next election would accuse them of raising taxes on the American people.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: As you can see, who you elect to the presidency and who you elect to Congress will determine the financial future of Social Security.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, they will probably decide to do nothing and kick the can down the road.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Point of View.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Pena Dexter.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: My guest is Michelle Havrila.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: She is Do No Harm's Director of Programs, and we are talking about this study.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Stop the Harm database.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Calling it Stop the Harm.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The organization is Do No Harm.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Do No Harm wants to stop the harm.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And this database is a big step in doing so, isn't it, Michelle?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It really is.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really making transparent what we suspect has been happening throughout the country for the last couple of years.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We have posted a link at pointofview.net, and you can go in and find out about this study.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to find out what's going on near you, isn't there?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That is correct.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you go to the stoptheharmdatabase.com, you're able to look specifically at your state,

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and you can see specifically what hospitals have performed any type of sex change treatment on children within your state

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: throughout the entire country.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Last time we had someone from Do No Harm on Point of View, we talked a lot about the detransitioners.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I read Mary Margaret Olihan's book on detrans, and I was shocked at the – for those who are detransing, as you mentioned, it's irreversible.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, they can detrans to a certain extent, but there's so much that's left that's harmful.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And especially – you mentioned bottom surgeries.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible for young men who then are detransing.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They have some very uncomfortable repercussions for the rest of their lives, don't they?

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That is correct.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And unfortunately, the medical system that was so enthusiastic to transition in the first place has not been as enthusiastic and helpful for those that have chosen to detransition.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's part of the work that we're doing at Do No Harm as well is to help with legislation in terms of detransitioners' bill of rights

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and also to bring awareness to what many of these individuals are experiencing both from a physical standpoint and from an emotional standpoint.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's – for many psychologists, of course, changing your gender is sort of the treatment of choice today.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And I did want to ask you, because you've measured not only the surgeries but also the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So if a child starts along that road with puberty blockers, not everyone gets a surgery.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Do most of them continue the puberty blockers and then the hormones for the rest of their lives and just forego the surgery?

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it very, very likely that they'll either quit the whole process or they'll have the surgery?

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So what we do know is that most children who start on puberty blockers will eventually end up on cross-sex hormones.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The data on surgery, not necessarily – in many cases, we'll see that most children will –

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: or many children will desist or detransition before they get to that surgical piece.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But really that is that track is that puberty blockers and then cross-sex hormones and then on to surgery if allowed to continue along this,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: what we call the gender-affirming pathway.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So – and the other notion to keep in mind is that when these children start puberty blockers and then head on to cross-sex hormones,

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: many of the side effects that they experience or the outcomes that they experience with these medications are not reversible.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you may look at things such as infertility or for a young woman, a drop in her voice or development of breast tissue in a young man.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So the notion that any of this is reversible is really – it's untrue to say so.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So I used to think that the cost of the surgery would be a – you know, it would stop people from having it.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But it seems that you have – you've studied insurance records to get this information,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's a lot of insurance coverage for this, isn't there?

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of commercial insurances that will pay for sex change surgeries as well as Medicare and Medicaid.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we do know, as I mentioned earlier, that our data set is very conservative in the sense that we were not able to collect self-pay procedures

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: so children that were able to pay on their own or charity cases because many hospitals –

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's not even in here.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not even included in there.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That's correct.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That's correct.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's information that's not typically publicly available.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so what we see here is really a fraction of what we suspect is happening throughout the country.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, I want to ask you, because you mentioned Medicaid and other government programs paying for this,

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and this has become an election issue, the idea that prisoners might get taxpayer-funded surgeries is one thing.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think even more important is the issue of parental rights.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have certain states starting this kind of process on children without their parents even knowing,

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and other states that are sanctuary states or sanctuary cities for transgender-affirming care or gender-affirming care,

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: which is such a misnomer.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's an election issue, isn't it?

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It certainly is.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It's certainly something that – and part of the reason that we have this database is really to be used as a tool by legislators

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and policymakers to hopefully help push laws in states that have not yet passed laws to put age limits on procedures for sex change treatment.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that New Hampshire has recently passed a law, and we know that many other states within the country have as well.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But we really wanted to bring into light what is happening in some of these other states that you had mentioned, sanctuary states,

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so that people can really see what is happening at their local hospital

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: or what is happening at their children's hospital.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So, again, we really want this to be a tool not only for the general public

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: but for those people that can helpfully influence policy to protect children.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: What about the message that I know that many of the detransitioners have told us that when they took their parents in for appointments to talk about this issue,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: they were told that, for instance, the line – I think Chloe Cole mentioned it – that her mom said – or her doctor or psychologist said,

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: would you rather – ask the question, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And saying that if they don't get this awful surgery, then they're going to kill themselves.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: What are the stats on that?

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you got anything to update us on that type of thing?

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that's untrue.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that that is not the case, that suicide rates are higher in children with the gender diagnosis,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and that most of this is just really to cause division among families to create that divide,

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: especially for parents because, as a parent myself, how heart-wrenching would it be for somebody to tell me something like that?

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So, of course, your first inclination is to want to do everything you can to help your child.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But we know that statistically that's not correct.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But, again, just showing transparency with the database about the prevalence of these surgeries,

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and hopefully that we will see a decrease in the coming years of any of this happening to any child throughout the country.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so grateful for the work that you guys do.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're brave and bold because I know in some echelons of power you're actually, I don't know, you're bad people.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you expect?

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you encourage American citizens to do, especially people who are fighting the legislative battles and also parents who see some issues with their own children?

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So mainly is to not be afraid to speak up.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's partly what we're doing here at Do No Harm is to shine light on these very unscientific practices

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and to give people the resources to be able to go and say, no, this is not right.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: This is not what we should be doing to our children.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And as a clinician myself, really just understanding and empowering clinicians to push back and say, this is not following a scientific process.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This is not what we would be doing medically for any other type of illness.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And so this is not something we should be doing to children.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And really just empowering parents to have the knowledge to be able to go and look at the database to see what's happening in their local communities

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and being able to talk to their local legislators, to talk to their school boards, to be able to say, to protect their children from any of this ideology.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle, give us the website that we've posted to it.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You can link to it through pointofview.net, but give us the website if you would.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It's stoptheharmdatabase.com.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can also visit us at donoharmmedicine.org to see what else we're doing in the gender space and also in the DEI space.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle, thank you so much for joining me today and for what you're doing there at Do No Harm.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, what these kids need is compassion, not drugs.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't need surgeons.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: They need somebody to find out what their real problem is.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that they're born in the wrong body.

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[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And now, here again is Penna Dexter.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Early voting has begun in many states.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It began in Texas this week, just a couple of days ago.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And the lines at my polling place are around the building.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of enthusiasm for early voting.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump changed his tune on early voting.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think people are listening because Republicans are voting early.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Usually that's sort of a Democrat.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They usually are ahead of Republicans on that.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But in some places, Republicans are doing just as well.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you know, he thought it was better to vote on election day.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But early voting is available and we need to take advantage of it.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I always take advantage of it because I never know what's going to happen in my crazy life.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I try to vote early.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I did try.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I mentioned earlier in the program, I tried to vote early yesterday, but I only had a certain window of time, which I thought would be plenty of time to vote and cast my ballot.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But when I saw the line around the building, I realized I didn't have time.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So I will be voting in the next couple of days.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, tomorrow's Friday.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess either tomorrow or Monday, I will be voting and you can hold me to it next time I'm on point of view.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a great opportunity to be a steward of your citizenship.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And did you vote yet?

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: If you voted yet, we'd love to hear from you.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: 800-351-1212.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Kamala Harris has decided to campaign in some kind of unlikely states at this point, 13 days before the election.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Texas, she's campaigning in the state of Texas and also Florida and Kentucky.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: These are states that she's not going to win.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But less than two weeks before the election, she's already doing that.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She's holding an event.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if she's already held it or if it's happening tomorrow on abortion, since that's one issue that she's she loves to, I guess, push and promote.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So she's having an abortion event here in Texas.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And perhaps she's having it because it is harder to get an abortion in Texas.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, some people say this signals they think they're losing, that the Democrats think they're losing because they wouldn't be coming to Texas to campaign for congressional seats for people or to weigh in on those seats.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: They'd be out in the swing states.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's a good question.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know the answer why Kamala Harris is not in Pennsylvania or somewhere else where she could really make a difference in in the election.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, majority views Harris.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: These are some polls, little tidbits from polls that I've noticed.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The majority in the country views Harris as the status quo, much as, you know, that's all been in question in the interview she's had.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: People have tried to, I don't know, portray her as or actually tell the truth about Harris, that she is she represents the incumbency.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: She represents what's been there for the last three and a half years.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She's not really new, even though she's a different face.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, for the first time in more than 40 years, more Americans identify as Republican than Democrats.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But now that is the case in the polls.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And so here's another surprising thing.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Back to the issue of abortion.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Kamala Harris had an interview last night on MSNBC, and she rejected the idea of religious exemptions for hospitals and staff doing abortions.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, in this interview, and I saw a clip of the interview, she would not provide any kind of exemptions for health care workers who were opposed to doing abortions.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's apparently under her regime, they would be required to do so.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That says a lot about what they think about religious liberty.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're taking your calls.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's we're in the open line section of the program.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Monica is the first one to call in.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Monica's in Georgia.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Monica, thank you so much for calling.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope and I think tomorrow's Thursday.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I would love it to be Friday, but it is Thursday.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm right.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's OK.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm feeling it completely.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, I went and I was I don't know if it was a daily count or a complete count, but I was voter 4,010.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I read that in Georgia, we've had 1.5 million votes.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope people people keep voting at a friend who was not going to vote evangelical Christian.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thankfully our pastor preached on the responsibility of voting because our votes do decide where our country goes.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that responsibility.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I put this squarely on the shoulders of those of us Christians who have not voted in the past, because if the Christians could establish this country and die for us and give up, you know, lose their entire fortunes.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the least we could do is be involved in the process to continue the freedoms that we've been so gifted by our father in heaven.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: What a good word.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's absolutely true.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for for calling, Monica.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I am looking at two studies of Christians role in voting.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Christians voting.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the studies was done by.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, Arizona Christian University.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where George Barna is.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a professor or something there.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And 32 million self-identified Christians who regularly attend church say they're unlikely to vote, according to this study by Arizona Christian University.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was done October 7th.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So the enthusiasm among that cohort is lower for the November elections because and their responses, the public's distaste for both major party candidates.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But, of course, as our last guest, Jason Sneed, guest earlier in the program said, we have to remember that this is not just a presidential election.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There are all kinds of people on the ballot that affect your life probably arguably more than the presidential.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever's president will affect your life.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So even if you do feel that way, you have distaste for both presidential candidates.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: There are lots of things that you could be voting on.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There's another study that kind of it gives a different conclusion than the one from Arizona Christian University.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is from Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: According to that report, Christian voters are going to play an outsized role in the U.S. election and they're going to have a greater impact than ever before.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And Sarah Parshall Perry, who's at the Heritage Foundation said people who are part of faith based organizations like pregnancy centers or ministry based preschools and churches.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They also have the opportunity to go out and vote their values.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully people that are involved in good works are also going to vote.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the good works that you can do.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So I encourage Christians and really everyone listening.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're getting a good education by listening to point of view to get out and vote while you have the chance.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And Monica, thank you so much for calling.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate your call.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything else that you've got on your mind?

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And thank you for filling in.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I do appreciate you filling in.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's wonderful to have somebody that I can listen to when the others are not there.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate your perspective and your point of view.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, like you said, we can have a giant impact and not just our lives, but the lives of our children and their children.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just don't think people understand the importance.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, people say, well, don't discuss politics.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: My father ran for Congress in California in the 1980s, and he taught me the importance of being a part of the process no matter what, no matter where we went.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And if there was his mentality was leave things better than they were.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So if that meant wiping down the sink when you were done washing your hands or washing that mirror off that somebody had splashed, do it.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's our responsibility.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And it frustrated him that that generation that came out of the 60s and 70s and 80s was turning their back on these moral standards that God implores us to engage with.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what has led us to where we are now.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very true.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And to the extent that we can articulate these issues and make them make the candidates speak on them and give us their position, that's not that's easier said than done.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But especially at the lower the down ballot offices to make sure people understand your person running for the U.S. Congress or your state legislature.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: What do they think about, for instance, taxpayer funding of transgender surgeries or even allowing that in your state on children?

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, these are important issues to people.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, just the Christian going out there and asking the questions about basic morality, I think, is a way that you can actually affect the culture.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And Monica, thank you for being so enthusiastic about that.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And your mayor and your school boards, you know, I see children struggling with having to regurgitate the lies that are taught in some of these classrooms.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And the teachers who have been forced to keep their to be able to keep their job, to have to teach these things that are not true.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And all of this is coming from those local elections and the local school boards and everything.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Monica, good words.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for calling.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be back after these messages.

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[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Point of View.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Early voting is going on in some states.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And give us a call and let us know if you've got a particular experience from already voting.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Or if you're not going to vote, we'd love to know why.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably try to talk you into voting.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Because here at Point of View, we think it's a good idea for people who know the Lord, who are Christians, to vote.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Because at least they have a biblical moral underpinning in their lives.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And so to the extent that we and others can try to provide the positions of the candidates on these particular moral issues,

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: it gives you information for voting wisely.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't want – I mean, I don't want everyone to vote.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But I want those who are informed to vote.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that they do.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that you do take advantage of the opportunity.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And for early voting, a lot of people say there are shenanigans that take place with early voting.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that most of the states and polling places, especially red states, are trying to make sure that these are clean elections.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you want to help out with that, you can volunteer at the polls to do that.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But early voting is at least a way to make sure that you do get to vote.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Something can happen on Election Day that keeps you from voting.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So I try to vote early.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Some people love that tradition of going on Election Day.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But whatever you do, we encourage you, the Point of View listener, to vote.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And, again, give us a call with your experience, 800-351-1212.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Eric Erickson has his own radio show out of Georgia.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been talking – he's not a Trump fan, but I think he's supporting Trump because, you know, it's really, really, really not strategically wise to vote for the enemy.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he considers Kamala Harris to be.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's probably going to vote for Trump, I think.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But he encourages pastors in this issue.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Pastors – some pastors are encouraging people to vote in doing election sermons, and I think that's a good idea.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But he says there are a lot of Christians who are planting their flags for politicians right now, not for Christ.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That is not the point.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He says I suspect your efforts to enter the conversation because that is where the crowd's mind will be,

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: is we'll do less to advance the kingdom than trying to get the crowd to refocus on Christ.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, our focus should be on Christ.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Always.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Too many people are looking for political saviors.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's true.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that over the years in the political world and being involved in politics.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't look for a political savior, but do look for the person who will do the best for the country.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not only in the White House but all the other offices down the ballot.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He also encourages pastors, please lead people to the real Jesus, not a political idol.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Please lead people to the cross, not the ballot box.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's perfectly fine for Americans to show up and vote.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I plan to cast my ballot.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's Eric Erickson.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But there is no redemption there for any of us.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: A ballot is a list of the names of sinners who are arrogant enough to think they are needed

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and necessary enough for our government but not our God.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Too many people are fixing their hope on these sinners to turn things around.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And I pray you remind them, you pastors, remind them that only Jesus can fix what ails us.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you've been around long enough, you know that no election is going to fix what ails us.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But certainly the country will be a lot better off if freedom-loving, pro-life, pro-family Americans are elected to many of these offices.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to point you to an article that I posted.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Steve, our producer, he brought this to my attention.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something in Town Hall, and it's at pointofview.net.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You can click through to it.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: J.D. Vance's Unexpected Dining Drama.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And the title of the article is From Restaurant Eject to Generous Tip, J.D. Vance's Unexpected Dining Drama.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's by Peter Demos, and Peter Demos is the author of a book called On the Duty of Christian Civil Disobedience.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He's also the host of Uncommon Sense in Current Times, and he's a Christian business leader from Tennessee.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So he wrote this for Town Hall, and he describes what happened.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And J.D. Vance was in a restaurant in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, an important state for the presidential election, one of the big swing states.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very close there.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But he was at the renowned Primonte Brothers restaurant in Pittsburgh, which is known for its nearly century-long history.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It became the backdrop for a discussion that reflects the turmoil between politics and life.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, in September, J.D. Vance arrived at the restaurant.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be a scheduled campaign stop, but about 100 enthusiastic supporters gathered at the restaurant to show their support for J.D. Vance and the Vance-Trump ticket.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But the atmosphere turned chaotic because apparently the restaurant, some people said the restaurant had not been informed of the visit.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So there was some confusion and tension.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So the supporters that were there were asked to leave even before Vance arrived.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Too many people showing up there, I guess.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when they, well, when Vance arrived, an employee told him he was not permitted inside.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he didn't even get to go inside.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And this employee also threatened to call the police.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So apparently they had not approved this visit.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But despite this rejection, here's what J.D. Vance did.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He stayed outside.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He engaged with supporters.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He delivered a message of solidarity.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he later decided to enter the restaurant, not to confront or cause a scene, but to pay for the supporters' meals.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So he paid for all their meals.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he left a substantial tip for the staff.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And he made a comment about no tax on tips if Trump were to be reelected.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So he encouraged his followers to continue to patronize that restaurant and emphasize the importance of supporting local businesses.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was, you know, a wonderful testimony about J.D. Vance.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember very, very early on in the campaign after he'd been chosen for vice president, I think he went to a donut shop.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a little awkward.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's pretty smooth how he manages these situations now.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's learned how to do that.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He exemplified humility and civility by paying the bill.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He also encouraged continuing patrons to the restaurant and diffused the situation.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And this speaks to, you know, the polarization that everybody's been decrying in this election and really every election.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's just the nature of elections that we are polarized, that we take sides.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think as the left becomes more and more to the left, more and more progressive, it's just going to, you know, we have such different opinions.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And people aren't going to compromise on their opinions and they shouldn't.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So an election is a time for people to weigh in.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So we are polarized.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But to do something like that, I think, which J.D. Vance did in September, I think is a way of at least showing that we still live in a civil society and that we can treat one another with respect.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, that lesson, I think, is something that we could all learn from.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And in this in this very, very contentious election.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for joining me today.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And go to pointofview.net because I've posted a lot of articles about voting and also this one about J.D. Vance's unexpected dining drama.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And also we've got the links to things like the Parents Television and Media Council.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot at stake in this election.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that it's a time that's a bit nerve wracking, but it's also a time to trust the Lord.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, God will be the one that chooses our leaders.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But in our country, we have the freedom and the great opportunity to be a part of that.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it in an informed way.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say do it early.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I want to thank you, Megan, and also Steve, Crazy Day, for all the work that you did to put the show on.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see you tomorrow.

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[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, there is a lot of worrying stuff in our world today.

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[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: God gives us a next step.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He says we need to pray.

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