Point of View October 2, 2024 – Hour 1 : Religious Liberty and the Warrior, City of Dreams

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for joining me. It is the Wednesday edition of Point of View, and so grateful that you can join us today.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course we had a vice presidential debate last night, and first of all I just want to say for the younger audience, this is the way debates used to go.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The graciousness between the two was a little better than what we saw in the presidential debates.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: J.D. Vance was respectful and well-prepared and articulate.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Governor Walz was maybe a little bit over his head sometimes, but at least likable, and certainly was trying to deliver some attack lines.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But as J.D. Vance said at one point, well, you're trying to, in a sense, engage in whack-a-mole,

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to tell everybody that the Trump administration was one where the economy was not doing well

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and trying to knock that down and knock down a number of other things, and then trying to, in one way or another,

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: promote what has happened under Biden-Harris.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll get into some of the details of that a little bit later, because there is certainly a lot to cover in terms of the vice presidential debate.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: If we don't get to all of that, of course, we'll have our Friday weekend edition where we'll look back over some of the things that happened this week

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and even see whether or not the vice president debate made any difference in terms of public perception.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted to get immediately to a story that we have covered before, but it's great to be able to talk to the author of it,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: because we've talked about what is happening in the army in some of the training for extremism.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we have posted again this article by Danielle Runyon, who serves as senior counsel for First Liberty Institute,

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: also is serving the nation right now as a member of the United States Air Force,

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: individual that was not only a graduate of Johns Hopkins University, an outstanding athlete there,

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: but also earned her law degree from St. John's University School of Law,

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and brings lots of years of legal experience, but also is very much involved in the military

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and actually heads up the military practice group at First Liberty Institute.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So, Danielle, welcome back to Point of View.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Kirby. Thank you for having me.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's, if we can, take everybody back to Fort Liberty.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's an army base extremism training.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's imagine you're a Christian sitting there and they pop up a slide that says terrorist groups

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and you see, lo and behold, American Family Association.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You see a person maybe having a Choose Life license plate and a few others.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty shocking.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about how some of that has happened in the past, but it doesn't seem like it's gone away yet.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it really hasn't.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's actually quite concerning.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I identify in my article that under the Obama administration,

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: we had evangelical Christians, Mormons and Catholics identified as extremist religions in the same list as Hamas and Al Qaeda

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and others that we would classically identify as extremists and even terrorists.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, how many years later are we seeing this again?

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And through, we represent the whistleblower on this issue.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And through that, just about probably a week and a half, maybe even two weeks ago,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the House Armed Services Committee brought in the Army's top brass to ask some questions about this.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And their responses were pretty concerning.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get into that because as we talked about this on one of our Friday weekend editions,

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and by the way, I might just mention, I also did a commentary on this, which will air next week.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're trying to give you as much publicity as possible because I think we have talked about this in years past under the Obama administration.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, just get your mind set that one minute you're looking at a slide.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It's talking about religious extremism and it's the Ku Klux Klan or it's Hamas or Al Qaeda.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Next minute, the list is evangelical Christians, Catholics, Mormons.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, as you said, they actually came in, but it's sort of almost like they said, well, that was just a mistake.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a one off.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us more.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So we had Matt Gates, Representative Gates, and also Corey Mills really going after them after the Army's top brass pretty hard

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and really pinning them down on what actions have been taken against the individuals who put this training together because it came out during the hearing

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and even before the hearing that this training slide had actually been a part of this broader training for the past seven years,

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and now it's only coming to light.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So at the very least, we were expecting to hear perhaps an apology and also to hear about what kind of actions have been taken to remediate such a grave.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wouldn't classifying it as an error is an extreme understatement.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is this is I mean, I don't even have the words for it.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that is so heinous to be identifying people, you know, the image you've you've captured it very well for people to have the mental picture.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But actually seeing the slide, the choose life license plate has like a picture of it's like two almost like caricatures of children.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And who's going to think that something like that would classify somebody as a terrorist?

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And there was no explanation as to why this view was taken.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that was said is that this is just contrary to policy and procedure and no explanation or even grasp of the fact that this is this is just something that is so.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, all levels of leadership at this base and then even broader than that should really have to be held accountable for identifying these folks as terrorists, because if you identify somebody as a terrorist, it might not mean a lot.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You hear that word and it sounds very troubling.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But the reality of what that word means in the legal sense is that individuals who are identified as terrorists do not have the same legal protections as American citizens do.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That is very serious. Let me just mention that we're going to come to a break in just a minute.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And I would encourage some of you to first of all, find the article by Danielle Runyon.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Number two, I think if you click on that first link, it says X post.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It actually shows you the slide in here. You've got national right to life.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got I am for it, which is actually a license plate, which is a kind of a pro life license plate.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: We, of course, mentioned just a few minutes ago that at another place at Camp Shelby, we'll get to that in just a minute, mention American Family Association.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I might mention, Danielle, some of the radio stations that are listening to you right now are AFR, American Family Radio.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would be shocked to know that they're lumped in there with the Ku Klux Klan and Al Qaeda and Hamas.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So in some respects, what we're talking about is something that has been around as a problem for some time, but it does need to be remedied.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And does this not at least illustrate again our concern that some of this woke ideology has made its way into the military?

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. It's very clear. Now, we saw this through our case, the Navy SEALs case that was with respect to the covid-19 vaccine mandate.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But what that really brought to light and what we identified through that case is that religious individuals are just not treated the same at all as individuals who might have other reasons for having requests for accommodation or wanting to be exempted from certain activities.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that religious individuals have been treated is indicative and demonstrates these these characterizations that are now being given to religious individuals such as terrorists and extremists.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And that rhetoric is not stopping. We thought that maybe through the litigation that happened over the past couple of years with respect to covid,

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: this was some of the most significant class action litigation and the religious liberty realm with respect to the military in the history of the military.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're seeing that that the military is just digging their heels in.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not remaining neutral and they are continuing to perpetuate this rhetoric.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll continue our conversation. And of course, if you would like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to talk about the word unconfiscatable.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently, it is not even a word found in many dictionaries, which is why when I write it on my word processor, it has a red squiggly line beneath it.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Mitchell Askew brought my attention to this word in his latest book.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He argues that the word isn't used because nearly every asset we own can be confiscated.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: For example, the money that you have in the bank or the funds that you have in the stock market or through an IRA or a 401k are ultimately in the hands of a third party.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So that means it is possible that they or the government could prevent you from getting your money.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Just ask the people in Turkey who felt they needed to rob their local bank so that they would get the money they put in the bank.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Just ask the Canadian truckers who had their bank accounts frozen by the government.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, something that would be more difficult to confiscate would be what we refer to as a bearer asset.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That means that you have possession of it.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: One example would be gold.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: If you take possession of gold coins and put them in a safety deposit box in the bank, you have possession of them.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Or do you?

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued Executive Order 6102 that required Americans to give up most of their gold in exchange for cash.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we always assume that we have an inalienable right to private property.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But sometimes in other countries, the right to property can be lost.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That is why Mitchell Askew argued that Bitcoin is unconfiscatable as a form of property.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It cannot be taken from you and it can be moved to anywhere in the world.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Few other assets in the world are truly unconfiscatable.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: For a free copy of Kirby's booklet, A Biblical View on Critical Race Theory, go to viewpoints.info.com.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you once again, talking with Daniel Runyon, who again is the Senior Counsel for First Liberty Institute,

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: individual and responsible for the military practice group at First Liberty.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you'd like to contact her, of course, we have information about her.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: We have her bio and this article, which I hope you might pass on to others that are in the military,

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: because in a minute I want to talk about what actually can take place.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But, Daniel, just before we went to the break, I, of course, went ahead and mentioned that we started by talking about Fort Liberty, U.S. Army base.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But later on in your article, you also talk about a presentation that was done at Camp Shelby.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And there, American Family Association was identified as a hate group.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And you've had some similar briefings in other places, Pennsylvania Army Reserve and a variety of other situations.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So, as we just pointed out a minute ago, this is not an exception.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: This is not a one-off.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: This has been going on for some time, hasn't it?

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It has.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And really what we need to do is focus on getting to the bottom of this.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: The House Armed Services Committee, their efforts, like I said.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we lost her.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's see if we can get her back here because we were.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, go ahead.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We just lost you.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: In letting the Army leadership know.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you hear me, Kirby?

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, Dan.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry about this.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So, in letting the Army leadership know that this is being taken seriously, appropriations might be withheld because of this.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that this has been going on for so long and that really individuals who would normally feel like they can't speak up are starting to say,

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: look, this is getting out of hand.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And given preferential treatment to the detriment, to the horrendous detriment of religious service members.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, this is certainly what is happening right now with extremism training.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But then you even raise the ante a little bit further and talk about the fact that there are concerns about the fact that people that are in the military with flags, clothing, tattoos, whatever,

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: what they might be doing would be prohibited under this guidance.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And so if somebody, for example, has a tattoo of, as you say, a Latin cross or maybe displaying a Christian flag at home,

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: could that now be punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: What have you discovered there?

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it certainly, I mean, that's, so if we look at this holistically, so we look at this new policy guidance that was implemented just over this summer.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And it basically says that if someone actively participates in extremist activities, that, you know, even in such circumstances where those activities would be constitutionally protected in a civilian setting,

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: it could be prohibited by the military.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, what do those words mean?

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, our classic understanding of extremist activities, we would say, okay, we understand that.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But now over the years, I mean, we're going back now seven, even more years of evangelical Christians, like I said, Mormons, Catholics, people of faith being identified as extremists.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So could activities that are consistent with one's faith be viewed as an extremist activity that could be, and the regulation says prohibited,

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but as you identified, could be chargeable under the UCMJ.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that sounds ridiculous, but from what we're seeing, you put everything together.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That is certainly what I would say is a possibility.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, this gets back to the fact that we're in the midst of a campaign season.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Who you elect as president, who serves in the Supreme Court, who you elect as a senator or a member of Congress are going to be important.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, Daniel, help us out, because we recognize that we all have First Amendment rights, but we also recognize that some of those are limited in the military.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But this goes far beyond that kind of limitation, does it not?

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So the limitation that service members have is that, you know, there's this thing called good order and discipline.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So we do, as service members, have to maintain that good order and discipline in order to be a lethal fighting force.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But that does not mean that service members leave their constitutional rights and freedoms at the door,

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when service members are the ones who take an oath to uphold, defend, and protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: This has gone too far.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Religious liberty is something that exists in the military, and there can't be this viewpoint discrimination where we're just going to have this woke ideology run over people's constitutional rights.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So people, as you said, we're in the election season here.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And these are points, these are facts that people really need to consider when they're deciding what's the next administration that they're going to want to be leading our military.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And especially in these times, I mean, look at what's going on.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, are we on the verge of World War III?

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Who do we want to be leading our military, our service members, particularly in a time of war?

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But even beyond that, who do we want to say, this is who's leading our military.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what their views are.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This is how they value particularly religious service members, because there was a study not too long ago that said over 70 percent of service members identify as religious.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And how are we going to be recruiting people if these things, the things that I identify in my article, can continue to go on?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. Well, that's my commentary next week that I've already recorded.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But it says, basically, there's a real puzzle right now, a furrowed brow on the part of the military, wondering why we're having so much difficulty meeting our recruitment goals.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it possible that if they wanted to maybe understand why that's the case, they might go to some of the extremist training that is taking place?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So that, I think, is certainly another issue.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's, if we can, Danielle, just for a minute, talk about what we can do.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, we should pay attention to the individuals we elect.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I certainly would encourage people to support you at First Liberty.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But if we can find someone in the administration or someone in the military or even just members of Congress that want to cover this,

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_04]: we might even do a letter-writing campaign.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But do you have some suggestions on what we could do?

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that particularly, and you have already stated this, in this election season, it is critical that we think about what the trajectory of this country is, where we are going.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's our first freedom for a reason, our religious liberty rights.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And what people don't understand is that in this politically divided society, people think, well, my views are better than yours and my views trump your views.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: The reality is the history and tradition of our nation, which a lot of people don't understand.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So I encourage people as part of this to go and probably educate themselves about our Constitution, about our founding fathers.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: If our first freedom falls and we are no longer affording our constitutional rights, our religious liberty rights, all other rights will follow.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that people really need to understand that the significance of that and the importance of that.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Our Constitution is not a living, breathing document that changes with the times.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something that is enshrined in the manner in which it was written for a reason.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is why America has been the greatest country on the face of the earth for as long as it has been.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But we are at a very interesting turning point that if we don't get this right in the next, you know, by the beginning of November, I'm thinking how many days do we have left?

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going by pretty quickly here, a little bit over 30 days.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: If we don't get this right, this is going to be truly, truly detrimental to our nation if we don't make informed decisions about many of these issues that people are facing.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why I write articles like this is so that people can – and I put all the links in my articles so people can follow along and see what is happening.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't just something that, you know, to get people's attention.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't mainstream media, clickbait.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This is really happening.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And we better wake up because if this continues and we don't have a military, which we will not have a lethal fighting force if this is allowed to continue, what will we be left with?

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, we have posted this article.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So my encouragement to you is to take this article and maybe print it out and pass it out to people in the military or send it digitally.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, if you, as you are talking about this, have some other people say, oh, I saw that same training slide, maybe you can contact Danielle.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: We have the link there to her at the military practice group at First Liberty.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciate you really bringing this to our attention.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that there's probably going to be a follow-up.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And if anybody is aware of other cases that would be helpful to you, I hope they'll take the time to contact you.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So thank you for joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, Kirby.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great day.

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[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The Bible tells us not to worry.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, there is a lot of worrying stuff in our world today.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, the Bible doesn't stop at telling us not to worry.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: God gives us a next step.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He says we need to pray.

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[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to bring to your attention another film, which we oftentimes want to do, that will educate you about an issue we've talked about for literally decades here at Point of View.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember the first time we started talking about sexual trafficking and human trafficking.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember people calling in saying, look, if this is such an issue, if this is such a problem, why is it I'm not hearing about this in the media?

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't get those calls anymore because I think we all recognize what an incredible problem that is.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we wanted you to know about this new film that's been out now for about a month and a half, City of Dreams.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We have information about that on the website.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: We have the trailer and a lot of other material associated with it.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And we are privileged to bring to the microphone John Devaney, who is the executive producer and also the financier of this film.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It is really one where he's wanted to essentially produce resources that would educate people with really a very strong purpose.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: If you look at some of the trailers, some that we have posted here go right into the movie.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Some actually are preceded by a veritable who's who of individuals that have taken the time to endorse the project.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And that goes all over the particular political spectrum.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: People like Tony Robbins and certainly Vidvaram Mishwamy and all sorts of individuals that I can go through.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think you're going to want to know about the film and actually, at the very least, look at the trailer and then think about watching the film and knowing more about this issue.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So, John, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so happy to be here with you.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I also would love to know just a little bit of your background because on the bio here we talk about how you channeled your vision into a newly established Manor House Films.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And you have a new film studio and you want to produce things that are going to address these social issues.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of what we talk about here on Point of View.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But how did you come to do all of that?

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm in finance.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a bond trader and I own a company called United Capital Markets.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We've been trading mortgage bonds for about 26 years.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We've traded about $70 billion throughout our company's history.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: We deal with hedge funds and money managers and mutual funds and insurance companies.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And, yes, during this past year I've decided to start a film studio called Manor House Films.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're backing a number of films that have purpose and meaning and really think that America and a lot of the world needs that right now.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: There's been so much division between people and there's so many important issues, one of which is this topic on child trafficking.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: It needs to be highlighted.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, as I've said before, it's not a left-right issue.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a right-wrong issue.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And this one looks at child labor and trafficking in which, again, looking at some of the material that's been provided, 12 million trafficked children in the U.S.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we have many more children pouring over the border and what happens to them.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you really just take a story of a young Mexican boy who really has the dreams of playing soccer, and that gets shattered because all of a sudden he finds himself trafficked across the border and now sold to a sweatshop making fashion material in Los Angeles.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But then we are really kind of put into this world of exploitation and despair.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you share a little bit more about that in terms of the plot?

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you summarized a lot of it.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But, no, it's a very inspiring story about this young boy.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: He was trafficked.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He always dreamed of being a soccer player.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_05]: The story is incredibly inspiring, and it chronicles how he bonds with some of the other children in captivity to help survive.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And he had the courage to stand up against his captors to fight for his freedom and to fight for the freedom of the other children.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_05]: There's some incredibly creative dream sequences in the movie that really are phenomenal.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: One of them is the boy's dream of being a soccer player.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think in order to help him deal with his own pain, he daydreams of being a soccer superstar.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And the colors go from dark and orange, flickering lights like a dungeon.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And all of a sudden he's on the pitch of an international soccer field and dribbling and very happy.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And all the colors go to bright jerseys and bright greens.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And the crowd is cheering for him.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And it just, these dream sequences, it kind of gives the audience a break of this harrowing story

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: and gives hope to Jesus, the young boy.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, the, and there's another dream sequence that has to do with a shaman character.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And the Mexican culture believes in Christianity, but they really also respect their elders.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And they have a big parade called the Day of the Dead.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And there is a shaman character that actually is praying for the boy throughout much of the story,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_05]: saying, Lord, protect this boy and help him to achieve his destiny.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And in this story, this child's destiny was to free the other children.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And ultimately, helping to, the story helps to raise a lot of awareness on this topic.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just mention, too, just a minute ago, I was talking about the number of people that have endorsed it,

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: from, say, Martin Sheen on one side to Vivek Ramachwamyang on the other, Sylvester Stallone.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a clip there of him, Mike Tyson, Tony Robbins.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is, again, one of those kind of films that I'm glad that came out,

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_04]: because, yes, we are sort of a divided country.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And we certainly see that during the campaign season.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But there are certain things where we can all join hands and agree

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that what we are dealing with in terms of this idea of human trafficking and child labor

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: is a really big issue.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And so to bring together those individuals, Mira Sorvino,

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: all sorts of other individuals that are writing about this, speaking about it, endorsing the film,

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you would be commended by bringing such a very wide variety of individuals endorsing the film.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's the reason we want people that are listening to Point of View right now

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: to go out and to watch it and then tell others about it as well.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've really been very touched by the community of people that have stood up

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and used their voices to support this film and the issue.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you've mentioned all these names.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're flying.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, some of them are very successful business leaders,

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're taking time out of their busy schedules to appear with us in person.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Many of us have done a dozen or so national TV interviews to raise awareness,

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's really a sense of community.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's people that are on the left and they're on the right.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, child trafficking is wrong.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And unfortunately there's been an explosion in the last eight years of children that have been trafficked here

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: in the United States.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's very, very alarming.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, some of it is connected to the border.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_05]: There was very low vetting of unaccompanied minors that came to the border.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And unfortunately the traffickers ran ads on Facebook in poor countries like Ecuador and Guatemala,

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and they offered these families that their child could have for $5,000 a head to take them into the U.S.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and they could have a better life.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So these parents and these kids were duped by these traffickers.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_05]: They were just making money off of them.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_05]: They knew that when they got to the U.S. border they would be welcomed in.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_05]: These are unaccompanied minors, no uncle, no parent.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And what happened was in many cases, Hannah Dreyer of the New York Times has reported 20 articles in 2023 and 24.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I recommend everyone reads these if they want to get smart on this.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And in many cases the traffickers gave the name of a sponsor family,

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and it was another bad guy in the United States here.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And because there was almost no vetting in the whole process,

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: they unfortunately gave a lot of these kids to people who weren't vetted,

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and then they put them into sex trafficking and a lot of this labor trafficking.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And she had found situations and helped to save some of the kids where they found 20 kids sleeping on the floor in two bedrooms like sardines,

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and vans were picking these kids up.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And she reported that they were cleaning pig slaughterhouse in the evening from 8 p.m. until 3 in the morning.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And these are 12-year-old kids that are like little slaves.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And in addition, some of the kids that were saved said they were being charged $500 a month rent.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I heard that, and I said, I'm going to help.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Someone's got to speak up and help.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've had a very blessed life, and I've got resources to stand behind this film

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: and help to make sure it's marketed out there so folks could see it.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It was in theaters, and now we're on Amazon and Apple TV.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's just so important.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that it's now been reported that the U.S. government has lost contact with 350,000 of the undocumented kids

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that came across the border.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me take a break.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to continue the conversation and some of those facts and figures we gave earlier in the week,

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and we'll come back to the film and how you can watch it and maybe even put together a group screening.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: All that coming up right after this.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Talking about the film City of Dreams, you can actually go to the website, cityofdreamsmovie.com.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we have that link on our website, pointofview.net.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, it is available now video on demand to Amazon Prime, Apple, other places.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You can get it very easily.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It is something I would recommend, but again, let me just mention it.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's got some very intense scenes, so it's not something you want to have maybe young children watch.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But if nothing else, John, I'm just impressed that you've been involved in the world of finance at United Capital Markets.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You stepped out to do this, and so I certainly want to give you some accolades.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But also the writer and director, Mohit Ramchadani, who actually, as I understand, really has kind of a personal perspective because his father worked in a sweatshop back in India.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So in some respects, some of the emotion comes from his own experience, at least vicariously from his family, doesn't it?

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's correct.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Mo's father, when he was a young boy, I mean, things have really changed quite a bit over time.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But his father actually worked in a factory at seven, eight, nine years old and worked very, very long hours and worked in a sweatshop.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And so part of this story, I think, is also sort of reviewing some of the family history that he had in India.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's really good.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: We have, and of course you're probably new to the program here, John, but we have a list of very activist people all over the country that listen to this program in about 40 different states.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And what we find is that they are looking for action items.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And obviously one action item is to go and to watch the film.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But there are some other action items.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a place where people can donate to the City of Dreams Foundation.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a way you can join a fight, maybe even take a pledge.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned a minute ago the idea of a group screening.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes we have individuals that have a Sunday school class and they will be encouraged, as we did even yesterday in a film, to take maybe the whole Sunday school class to a theater.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, in this case, you can actually watch it.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But you could bring together a group and you could show this to highlight some of the concerns that we have about trafficking and educate others.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So talk about some of the other things that are on the website because there are many action points and I'd like individuals to get involved.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I want to point out that, you know, we are, as a group, we've all decided to donate 25% to one of the leading human trafficking organizations, A21.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And so all of the video on demand ticket sales from Amazon and Apple, folks buying that itself is going to participate in making that donation.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And so watching the movie is going to bring in dollars for those organizations.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And that was something that we decided that we felt strongly that we wanted to do.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, but you're right that getting an organization to screen the movie together, whether it be a college or a company or another nonprofit or a church,

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: those are great ideas to get together and watch the movie and talk about this.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: There is a way to sign up for on our website to join the fight.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: That will include someone's email on updates that have to do with our movement.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, yeah, we'd encourage everyone to sign up.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: This topic isn't going away.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're interested in screening the movie for the Senate and Congress.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, we were invited to screen the movie in September for the U.S. Senate and Congress,

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_05]: which would have been a real honor for a number of us.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But unfortunately, some hearings that had to do with Trump's assassination attempt had kicked us out of the room where it was scheduled.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And so we are looking at taking other actions, screening the movie for the U.S. Senate and Congress,

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: and speaking to those legislators and making them aware that this is a big issue and that they ought to think about making some changes.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I do believe that there have been changes that are happening right now with the vetting process at the border.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: There were a number of whistleblowers inside housing and social services, otherwise known as HSS, that had quit,

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_05]: as reported by Hannah Dreyer's articles.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They had warned that pushing these kids out very quickly out of these tent cities that were holding these unaccompanied minor children

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: could set up the children for trafficking, labor or sex trafficking, because they don't have the mechanism like the foster care system requires

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: monthly photographs of the children.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: With iPhones or, you know, your phone, you have to send in a welfare check and send photographs and e-mails,

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and there just wasn't anything like that that had been set up as these children were sent out to these sponsor families.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And as I said, it's now been reported that there's 350,000 minor children and the government lost contact with them.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So we should make an effort to find those children and help them.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just a shame that in our great country that this is even going on.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I know.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I've seen, you know, videos that were taken by, you know, police cruisers that show U-Haul trucks where they open the back of it,

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's 20 or 30 minor children that are being trafficked across state lines.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And to be honest, it's sickening.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It's absolutely sickening to think that people could be involved in profiting off of children.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, children are, I mean, there isn't anything more important than protecting children.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, accolades to you and for everyone that made this possible.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just mention again, we have a link to cityofdreamsmovie.com.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You can go there directly, but we have that link.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, we have information about John Devaney as well,

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and a place where you can share this on social media, where you could host a private screening.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, it was in the past a possibility of buying tickets, but even now you can pay it forward, sign a pledge.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: There are just all sorts of ways you can get involved.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But, again, I will admit that it is pretty heavy, so it's not something small children should watch.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But we need to be aware of what is happening, and we've talked about this on Point of View,

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's why we brought this movie to you.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's one that has been endorsed by just a veritable who's who of people in the political realm,

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: in the realm of Hollywood and acting, and also those concerned about social service.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So, John, thank you for putting this together, and thank you for spending some time with us today to talk about it.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_05]: My pleasure.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's say we can take a break, and when we come back, we will spend a little bit of time talking about the vice presidential debate.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Not too long, because there are other issues to address, not the least of which what's going on right now in the Middle East.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: We want to give you some of that information and a variety of others.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We also have some other interviews we'll do the next hour, but as I mentioned, did send out an email today,

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04]: just trying to give you a little bit of an update on the fact that we still are hoping to close in on our desire to reach the actual goal that we set for ourselves,

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_04]: which is certainly nothing outstanding, but nevertheless something that will allow us to keep the program on the air.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you can help us out, we would greatly appreciate that.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, all you have to do is go to the website, pointofview.net.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That's where you'll find out more about this film and also the conversation we had with Daniel Runyon.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And, of course, you can also click on that button that says join now and be part of that goal of fundraising.

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[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be back right after this.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Many years ago, they began saying that we live in the information age.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, today there is so much information coming at us from every direction.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The hardest thing is to discern which issues are really important and how can I make a positive impact without wasting my time trying to figure out accurate information.

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[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Visit pointofview.net.

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[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, when you go to pointofview.net, click on Viewpoints, you'll see exactly what I mean.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see the issues that we are covering right now.

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