Point of View October 18, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Second hour today, we'd like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to continue talking about some of the things having to do with the campaign, but if you'd like to join us, love to hear your thoughts.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Before this hour is over though, we're going to spend a fair amount of time talking about who is going to vote and who is not going to vote.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That is, I think, very troubling, but first of all, we're going to be talking about some research we've quoted from George Barna,

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: some other research from the Cultural Research Center, some that has been put together by our friends at First Liberty,

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and Pentadexter's commentary today is unlikely to vote, question mark, and certainly want to get some comments from Liberty about that, and Jeff as well.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But let's, for just a few more minutes, take on one other article that I thought would be appropriate,

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and that is Tom Knighton, because he points out that, again, let's be honest, Donald Trump is 78 years of age,

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and so maybe he's on the downhill slide.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there are 200 doctors, nurses, and health care professionals, which are called Doctors for Harris,

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that have actually said that they are concerned about the fact that Donald Trump actually should be very transparent about his health,

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: given his advancing age, and more importantly, that he is falling short of any standard of fitness for office.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I love Tom Knighton's question, and that is, where were these 200 doctors wanting medical records four years ago?

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, only 230.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_07]: So let's put those all in percent.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_07]: She could get, or the Harris campaign people could get 230 doctors out of the, I mean, what, tens of thousands?

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're doctors, nurses, health care professionals, not all of them are even doctors.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so how many?

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, how many would classify?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_07]: And they could get 230 of those people to question Donald Trump,

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think Tom Knighton makes the very valid point is, do you remember this guy named Joe Biden?

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, compare the two of them, and there's no question.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, this is just, I mean, it's silly.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'll tell you one thing is, that's a doctor or health professional I would want to see

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_07]: if they're willing to sign on to a crazy letter like this one.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Crazy.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, a generous reading, maybe.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They learned their lesson with Biden.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think maybe a more realistic reading is that, yeah, there's some hypocrisy there.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and, you know, I think Trump has always been pretty forthcoming on his health,

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think we all, one thing we do know is where Joe Biden was hiding, even from his own cabinet, let's remember.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Donald Trump is pretty much out there for us all to see for, you know, and I had some,

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_07]: which I actually thought was encouraging.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I had some family in Pennsylvania who actually went to a Trump rally.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_07]: They stood in line for three and a half hours.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_07]: And then the president then, the former president, then entertained them for over an hour.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I'd like to see, yeah, where, yeah, I'd like to see what these doctors say about that when they weren't raising any concerns about Joe Biden,

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_07]: who we weren't seeing and could never do a rally and speak for over an hour at any time.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And, again, I just want people to understand that you're going to hear more about this.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Tim Kimmel came in.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Tim Kimmel.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Kimmel.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Kimmel.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Kimmel.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I know a Tim Kimmel who's been on the program with us, so that's why I put the two together.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I need a cognitive test, but nevertheless.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're probably not up when Jimmy Kimmel.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Nor am I, Kirby, so that's fine.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But, again, late night talk shows, because I'll broaden it.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say all the list, and I'll probably miss somebody, are all kind of on the drumbeat now about the fact that they will pick something where, again,

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Donald Trump in front of an audience, speaking that long, is going to have a stumble, mispronounce a word, maybe have a gap.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Like called Jimmy Kimmel, Tim Kimmel, for instance.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_07]: That might be an example.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be a good example of that.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that doesn't necessarily disqualify that individual.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I think is so striking is what they are now doing is something that is quite frankly dishonest.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And let's give credit where credit is due.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: ABC, the other day, actually called out some of the people misusing that because there was a time when, in one of the rallies,

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Donald Trump was speaking, and then there was a medical emergency for one of the people in the audience.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there was a second one.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: After a while, I wonder if that was a setup.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And so rather than keep speaking, he said, well, let's play some music because you wanted to take care of the people that were now going out on stretchers.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And so just to stand there, that didn't make any sense.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And just to listen to the music.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So they have some places where he's actually kind of dancing, if you can call what he moves is dancing.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, they've now clipped that and said this is typical of a Donald Trump rally.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He just completely, in the midst of his speech, just started dancing and make it look like we're talking about somebody that is the end stage of dementia.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: To their credit, ABC News explained what was going on.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you go to Jimmy Kimmel, he used that as an example of him losing his train of thought.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go to one of the interviews, and I do watch MSNBC, so you don't have to, one of them made jokes about it as well.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, again, just because you see it and they tell you that this is where a person has lost his train of thought and is dancing to the music during his rally, there was another reason for that.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And at least one news organization took the time to explain that the so-called Donald Trump dancing is about as legitimate as those good people in Charlottesville or what are some of the other ones?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the blood bath and some of those myths that just seem to keep going on and on and on, used by the liberals all the time against Donald Trump.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know that Harris is dancing because I see the memes and the clips, and it's about joy.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And, hey, I'm all for anybody breaking out into dance any time.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that if Biden had done that at a press conference or something, then they would say, well, look at how good he's moving.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this proves that he is still young and, you know, has vitality.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, again, just the bias, that is very evident.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, again, just want you to recognize, unfortunately, even if you see it, you know, seeing is believing, you know, with the deep fakes and things like that, not necessarily the case.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Or you can pull any statement that we've made today and leave out the letter not or something like that and have us say things that we've never said.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Even watch it and think that that was actually what was taking place.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think back to the key issue is that, Jeff, we're just going to have to have a lot more discernment in this 21st century world we're in.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we've talked about it before.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you've got to watch, guard yourself, and what are the news sources that you're getting information from.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And, I mean, I know you get on X, formerly Twitter, and you see something on both sides.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And you really now, depending on where it comes from, you have to be very, very careful.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And so it's why point of view is important, right?

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you need to have a trusted source for your information.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_07]: And it's Ronald Reagan, you know, what was the great phrase?

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Trust but verify.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm going to mess it up.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I was having a senior moment.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I knew where I was going, and then it went.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Trust but verify.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_09]: That's fine.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's take a break.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And when we come back, I'll take some phone calls.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, if you'd like to join us, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And also, just a couple of places where Donald Trump has been trolling Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess all is fair, love, war, and elections and voting.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll get into some of that.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, of course, some of these marijuana initiatives making their way to many of the ballots, not just in Colorado, but even sometimes in the Deep South.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to be talking about that right after these important messages.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the other day I came across a shocking statistic.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Lee Burdette Williams says about 3 million first-time college students will soon be arriving on campus, most of them coming directly from high school.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: About 1 million of them won't make it through their first year or return as sophomores.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She concludes that this attrition is financially and emotionally devastating for families, and it is also destabilizing for colleges.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So why is this happening?

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, many of these departures are financial.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Higher education costs so much more and has been rising more than twice as fast as inflation.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But another factor, often ignored, are the mental challenges these incoming college students face.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Just consider these two facts.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: First, nearly half of all college students report symptoms of depression and anxiety.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Second, the rate of students taking psychiatric medication doubled in less than a decade and a half, and now includes one quarter of all students.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Lee Burdette Williams has served as the dean of students at the University of Connecticut and later at Wheaton College.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: She suggests that the nine weeks between high school graduation and a student's arrival on campus are not enough for social and mental adjustment.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They go from being under their parents' authority in management to independent living.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Although many of us made this transition in the past, today's students seem less mentally equipped to do so.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That is why she suggests two alternatives.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: One is what she calls a half-step year where the student lives at home while attending a local college.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The other is a full gap year which is becoming more popular and provides students with an opportunity to pursue study or experiences that may enhance their resume.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to make sure that your child or grandchild doesn't drop out of college, you might explore some of these suggested alternatives.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: For a free booklet on biblical reliability, go to viewpoints.info slash biblical reliability.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Viewpoints.info slash biblical reliability.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again, if you'd like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff Mateer, Liberty McCarter.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go out to California.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: KNLB.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Kathy, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have a question.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Plates that were like paper license plates that were on vehicles that noticed.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So he asked somebody at the church I go, and he's a pastor for like the sheriff's department.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he asked him about it.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And apparently there are people here that call themselves the citizens of the world who print off these license plates.

[00:11:48] Wow.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it's across the United States.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What I was wondering, could it or are people voting in our elections that are citizens of the world?

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And if so, possibly Kamala Harris, a citizen of the world.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I looked it up on YouTube, and the only thing I could find was back at the WTO, whenever they had that whole thing up in Oregon,

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the World Trades Organization, and then to the World Forum Economics.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was struck by that, and I was just curious.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that possible that people are voting in our elections that way?

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, I think what they're arguing is probably they are U.S. citizens.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope so.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, if they're voting, they should be U.S. citizens.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But this idea of citizens of the world, I just typed it in right now, and up pops all sorts of things.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Citizens of the world in Los Angeles, Citizens of the world Kansas City.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There are all sorts of groups like that.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But the concept of citizens of the world is that, well, these borders really don't matter.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to sound like George Soros for just a minute.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, this idea that somehow we can draw these arbitrary lines,

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: because if you look at Earth from space, you just see continents.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see countries.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And so as a result, we should all be, in a sense, citizens of the world.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: This idea of nationalism, that is an evil that really has been the reason for so many wars.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_03]: If we can all just kind of get together as global citizens and hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm making Jeff's head explode.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: This will be bringing about and ushering another idea of peace.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I grew up, as I pointed out before, in the San Francisco Bay Area,

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and my neighbors were part of the United World Federalists.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: These were individuals who, once they formed the United Nations,

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: were actually convinced that we could have a united world government

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: bringing together all the things necessary to bring about peace.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, our Muslim friends are many times looking for the idea of having a universal caliphate,

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but they're a different kind of idea.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But this idea of global citizenship is something that is espoused at the World Economic Forums

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and at the Trilateral Commission and Council for Foreign Relations

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and United World Federalists and the rest,

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: because they really are believing, Jeff,

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: that if we could just get rid of the barriers and boundaries

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and all speak one language and all kind of have one kind of universal religion,

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: we would actually usher in a utopia.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I've read the book of Revelation, and so I know how that works out.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Or the book of Karl Marx either, too.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's true, too, which is a precursor.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_07]: But, no, I mean, this is left-wing Marxist terminology,

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think of it, what you have is the results.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_07]: You have things like the Paris Treaty in which you want to impose world standards,

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_07]: which if they were imposed, what it does is then lowers the lifestyle for all of us,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_07]: not just Americans but across the world because we're going to destroy things like oil companies.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to, you know, actually regress in so many different things.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_07]: So I would not be, at the caller's point, I would not be overly concerned.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it goes down to, no, they're not.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that you claim to be a citizen of the world does not in itself give you a right to vote in American elections.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_07]: You have to be a citizen of these United States of America.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And if you are a citizen of these United States of America, and then you can vote.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And, of course, we're talking about California.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Who knows what California lets people do?

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There are some that do get a vote in local elections.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: In local elections.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That is true.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But not in federal elections.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Not voting for president.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Not voting for the U.S. Senate.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Not voting for Congress.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_07]: So this, again, is, like you said, you're channeling George Soros

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_07]: because that's the world that he envisions with his billions of dollars.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that it's a good topic to bring up because this is another example of where we have to use discernment

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: because especially with my generation and people younger than me even,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: this idea of globalism is very popular.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think for some compassionate Christians, we can maybe get a little bit confused.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to realize, yes, we are first and foremost citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: We have brothers and sisters in Christ all around the world that we will, you know, be with in heaven one day,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: which is great.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That does not mean that's not the same thing as being a citizen of the world.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We live in a fallen world.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And if we're having all these discussions and debates right now about potential voter fraud

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and young people on both sides not trusting American government enough to even want to vote

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: because they don't trust the results, do you think that we are going to trust

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: or have representation under a global government?

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's just something to think about if you have people who are kind of arguing for this

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and they have for years and will continue to do so,

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that one of the best things we can do to love our neighbor is to love our neighbor

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: where God has placed us in the world.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And that does not mean that you don't love people around the world,

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but that if you love people around the world,

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it also doesn't mean that you have to be a globalist.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So just one of those areas for discernment to really think through what that means.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, since you mentioned that, Kathy, if you'd like one,

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: or if anybody else is interested, one of the booklets we have is on globalism.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And Liberty, you and I have both written on an issue that we did in the past on globalism, on outlook.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, that's a very good reason to be a supporter or a point of view

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because you'll be receiving those anyway,

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'll be glad to send you a free copy of that booklet on globalism.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But just before we get to the next topic,

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I'd just mention that one of the reasons we have to take action

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: is to stop non-citizen voting in D.C.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And the bottom line is that you could be a global citizen.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You could be from France.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You could be from China.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You could be from Russia.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're in the District of Columbia for 30 days and you're over the age of 18,

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you can vote in the District of Columbia.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that's exactly what the framers intended.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean, if you were sitting here, I kind of like some of those time travel shows

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_07]: where people go back or go forward.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_07]: But could you imagine if we had John Adams sitting here with us

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: and we said, do you know, what do you think of this?

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think the first off, the concept of D.C.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_07]: and what has occurred there would just be shocked at.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_07]: But the founders never envisioned that non-citizens would be voting.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the other day when I was speaking on the America's Godly Heritage,

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I talked about at one point Reverend Jonathan Mayhew,

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: who actually is one that talked about civil disobedience

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and talked about how it could be justifiable to revolt against the king

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and against the British Empire.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's also best known for a phrase,

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: no taxation without representation.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, if we ever see him in heaven someday,

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: we might say, well, if you thought no taxation without representation was bad,

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: you should have seen what taxation with representation turned out to be.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: $35 trillion in debt.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Just before we take a break,

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I just do this one more to bring a smile on some people's faces

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: because Donald Trump every once in a while

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: likes to say something funny or do something.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So he has decided that he's going to visit

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: a local Pennsylvania McDonald's

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and work as a fry cooker.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the reason for that is, of course,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Vice President Kamala Harris claimed that she previously worked at McDonald's.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: As a matter of fact, he said in a press conference,

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Kamala never worked at McDonald's.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Her resume talks about McDonald's, McDonald's, McDonald's.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But she claimed she did the fries.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And if nothing else, I just had to laugh,

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: only Donald Trump is going to be actually standing in front of a fry cooker

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: at McDonald's, simply to emphasize again

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: his disagreement in many cases with Kamala Harris.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if some of the fries that he oversees

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: will end up selling for a lot of money on the Internet someday

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or people will be standing in line to have food cooked by the former president.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we also know that Donald Trump likes McDonald's.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So he might actually.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_08]: He may be taking, I mean, he may eat into the profits.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He may not be a good employee.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He may take a few samples along the way.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, just I wanted to end on a little funny note.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But when we come back, we'll talk first about some of these marijuana initiatives on the ballot

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: because we've talked about, of course, some of the concerns about cannabis.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You can type in the word cannabis or marijuana on our website and find lots of articles,

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: commentaries that I've done, interviews we've done, and the rest.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But this has moved out rather dramatically.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so one of the other things that many of the listeners to point of view will be voting on

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: is the issue of marijuana and cannabis.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to talk about that piece by Ann Coulter, which we did mention yesterday.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Penna did mention it.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought we'd come back to it real quick for a roundtable discussion.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going to spend the rest of the time looking at this issue of voting.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Penna Dexter's commentary, unlikely to vote.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Our good friends at First Liberty have asked them to evaluate who is going to vote.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Be right back.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: They say men can be women and women men.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_05]: People are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_05]: You feel like giving up.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But we can't.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: We shouldn't.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We must not.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II,

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: never give in.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Never give in.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Never, never, never.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Never yield to force.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what we say to you today.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: This is not a time to give in, but to step up and join point of view in providing clarity in the chaos.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: We can't do it alone, but together, with God's help, we will overcome the darkness.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Invest in biblical clarity today at pointofview.net or call 1-800-347-5151.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Pointofview.net and 800-347-5151.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Point of view will continue after this.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_05]: You are listening to Point of View.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Point of half hour, if you'd like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Talking about a few other things in the election.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And one of those is the issue of marijuana initiatives on the ballot.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've posted a piece by Ann Coulter because she is convinced that a lot of this comes from, and I think it's well documented,

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: by a number of corporate groups that are really trying to push legalization of marijuana nationwide.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And as she said, big pot will make big tobacco and big pharma look like your family doctor.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we've talked about this before.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember years ago, and this really goes back many years ago, we brought a guest on the program that had talked about the documentation of individuals that have schizophrenia.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: A good number of them have developed it because of marijuana use.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And what oftentimes would happen is then people would call in and say, look, I've been smoking marijuana for years.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have schizophrenia.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And my answer is, well, great.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm glad it didn't affect you.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the person saying, look, I've been smoking tobacco for years, and I don't have lung cancer.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Great, but I can point to people like my own mother who died of that because of smoking.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So certainly that is the case.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But then this is a piece that goes on for many pages reminding us that if you're an older person, and I'm one of those,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: marijuana, when I was growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area and kids even in high school passing joints,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the amount of THC was at about 2%.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, because of the various breeding experiments and all sorts of other things, THC can be anywhere from 15% to 25%.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also 99.9% pure.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And so at a time when we already have quite a bit of legalization of marijuana in 24 states, another 17 for medicinal purposes,

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: there are going to be some up or down votes on the particular issue of marijuana in places like Arkansas, Florida, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota,

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to mention just a few of those states.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, since we haven't talked about it in some time, we'd put it on the discussion and, if nothing else, give you a chance to interact.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But if nothing else, Liberty, this is just a reminder that it's not your father's marijuana,

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: marijuana, and there are some real consequences we have now discovered in terms of workplace accidents and a number of other issues.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And we've had a social experiment.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I picked out Colorado a minute ago, which has had it probably legalized more often in terms of what that actually has done of driving under the influence of whether it's alcohol or other kinds of drugs.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. You know, again, people can look this up themselves, but the National Institute for Drug Abuse shows that just from 1995 to 2022,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the percentage of THC and cannabis seized by the DEA is gone from an average of 4% to what you were saying, over 16%, and then sometimes even higher.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this, you know, there are multiple studies that you can look up.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really questioned of the damaging effects, especially the younger you start.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's just if people are going to be voting on this, you really want to know how it might affect, you know, people, young members of your family,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: if they were to use it.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is highly addictive, especially the younger you are when you start it.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it really does affect your long-term cognition, your memory, your critical thinking skills,

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and like you said, sometimes leading to severe mental illness down the line.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's not – alcohol has plenty of health problems as well, which you've talked about on Point of View.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is, you know, again, serious.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to look at how is this going to affect people if it's legalized everywhere.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is an issue when I worked at the Attorney General's office having discussions with my counterparts,

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_07]: specifically in Colorado, because we don't have to deal with hypotheticals anymore.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Colorado was the first state to legalize recreational marijuana.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And so now we have a lot of data.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And what's interesting, when you talk to officials in Colorado and you talk to people at the state,

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_07]: the people on the ground, they will say it was a horrible decision for the state of Colorado.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_07]: To legalize marijuana for recreational purposes.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And mainly two – and they would point out – and this article actually touches both of the reasons that they would give.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_07]: The first is increased health costs.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's so many unintended consequences with the legalization of marijuana that has resulted in not just more health problems,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_07]: but also the cost associated with those problems.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And that leads into the second reason, which is in addition to increased medical costs, it has increased crime.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's statistically proven that Colorado's crime rate has gone up more greatly than anywhere else in the country.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And what it dates back to is the legalization of marijuana.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_07]: When you legalize marijuana, you're going to increase crime rates.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And so the people on the front lines, the law enforcement officials will say, I mean, we see the difference.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And so why any state would increase its costs and increase its crime all because – and this article does a great job of pointing this out too –

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_07]: is, I mean, look, this is – marijuana is big business.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_07]: And there are millions, if not billions of dollars to be made.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And so there are a lot of companies getting in the marijuana business, and they don't care that crime is going to increase.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_07]: They don't care that medical costs are going to increase.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, what states often hear is, oh, if you legalize marijuana, you can tax it and you can get more tax revenues.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you might get more tax revenues, but guess what?

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to spend a lot more money taking care of your people and having more police officers because of the effects of legalizing marijuana.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: This article just mentions one study, and that's pretty well documented, I think.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: For every dollar actually collected in marijuana taxes, the state government spends about $10 of increased costs because of hospital admissions

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: or police to clean up after car crashes or psychosis-induced crime or mental health therapies and the rest.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's not a really good buying for your buck.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the opposite.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted you to know about that as well.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I do want to get to voting, but let me take one other phone call real quickly.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't taken many calls today, but we'll go to North Carolina.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Doug, thank you for calling today.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Hi.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for letting me have gone.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to talk about voters and why they think America is off track.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I come from a unique perspective.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a cost accountant in the corporate world, and I think it dawned on me the other day that people are concerned about inflation.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And one of the big things corporations do to combat inflation, and I'm just pulling over here, I'm driving,

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_06]: is because corporations do budgeting so that they can track what's costing more and help find ways to offset that.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_06]: To explain how big that is, you know, we recently had our speaker, Mr. Johnson, propose voting legislation in a bill that was supposed to be part of the budget,

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and then that ended up getting rejected by the Senate.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So there are two other reasons that I quickly want to view why it's off track.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It's because the Senate has now become involved and acting like the House in terms of what legislation it wants to consider and what it does not.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And that just – so we really have two legislatures, one representing the left and one representing the right.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't think that's how our founding fathers envisioned it, that the Senate should always consider what the House wants to consider,

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_06]: except when it comes to purse strings.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a lot of those things, as we mentioned just a minute ago in our action item, here a piece of legislation passed the House.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_03]: All Republicans voted for it.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: At least more than a third of the Democrats voted for it, and that would be about not allowing non-citizens to vote in District of Columbia.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't even brought it out of committee.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought, as you were talking about this in terms of a budget, I hear that Donald Trump, if he's elected,

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: wants to tap Elon Musk as the head of an efficiency commission, a government efficiency commission.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another aspect of actually having a budget and trying to figure out whether certain things work.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping the efficiency commission might get rid of some areas of government where we really don't even know what they do,

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and we spend money on it every single year.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, it used to be that certainly Republicans were about cutting pork, right?

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And there would actually – there would be awards, and they're kind of the parity awards, but for agencies that –

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Pork awards.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_07]: That we're spending and haven't heard a lot from either presidential candidate.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_07]: That's the problem.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_07]: On getting control of the budget.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's interesting that the caller talks about – started the conversation talking about inflation.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that – I mean, we've said – I mean, if you're Donald Trump, talk about inflation, talk about immigration.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Just stay on message.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_07]: But I would love to hear him, someone, talk about getting a handle on the budget.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And did not have either of them talk about it.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't even have any of the moderators in the debate talk about it.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And yet it's one of the biggest issues.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Doug, thank you for your comment.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to a break.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll come back and talk a little bit about who's going to vote, who's not going to vote right after this.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: According to statistics from George Barna, 41 million Americans who describe themselves as born-again Christians are unlikely to vote in the November elections.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: His research, conducted in August and September, dug deeper into the reasons for these Christians' complacency.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Family Research Council's daily news publication, The Washington Stand, reports that 68% of them said they're not interested in politics.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: 57% don't like either of the presidential candidates.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: 52% don't think their vote will make a difference.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And 48% of respondents cited concerns about manipulation of election results.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the presidency that's at stake.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: FRC's president, Tony Perkins, encourages believers to pay attention and weigh in all the way down the ballot,

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: warning that control of the House and Senate hangs in the balance.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He points out that governors, state attorneys general, local school boards, even controllers,

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: are amassing major victories in protecting children from radical gender ideology.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Pushing back on corporate America's woke agenda, fighting the Biden administration's lawless overreach,

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and passing sweeping pro-life and pro-parent laws.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: FRC brought several speakers and pastors to Washington, D.C. last week and for its Pray Vote Stand conference.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Cornerstone Chapel pastor Gary Hamrick told the crowd,

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you what happens when we are not involved in the political process.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We open the door for every evil ideology to fill the vacuum.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: In Romans 13, we read that government is created and established by God.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: In our nation, we have the opportunity to influence the government by choosing our leaders.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Christians who do not vote shirk a crucial responsibility for stewardship.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The left is ready to pass laws that will entrench its power and make elections pointless.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Another pastor, Jack Hibbs, told the D.C. audience,

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We must take every opportunity God gives us to advance His kingdom.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And, he said, voting is the easiest.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not planning to vote, he says, you need to repent.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Back for a few more minutes.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Penna Dexter was sitting in this chair yesterday.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: She was out today, but her commentary, unlikely to vote, quoting from George Barna.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you can see some of the numbers that she has there.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And, I thought I would point back to a very good piece that has been available through our friends at First Liberty.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, you can go to firstliberty.org slash elections.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It has to have the S on it.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you will see that they have all sorts of resources.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But, something we posted the other day by George Barna at the Arizona Christian University is kind of a pre-election research.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And, this is available certainly on our website.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You can find it as well at First Liberties.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But, I thought it would be important to recognize, first of all, come to you, Jeff,

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that George Barna indicates that if you look at the Christians,

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because we've always heard the phrase, 40 million Christians won't vote.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But, he came down with a more precise number.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: If you look at those individuals who are registered to vote, self-identified Christians,

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: who regularly attend church, you still come up with 32 million.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And, I think that's probably a good number.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But, if you look at all the people of faith, you come up with a number that's over 100 million.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But, of course, we're talking about then, you know, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, all sorts of stuff.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But, nevertheless, the sad reality is just a large number of individuals who call themselves born-again Christians,

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: who you would think would be pretty dedicated because they attend church regularly,

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: which means they come at least two out of every four Sundays, still aren't going to vote.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, 32 million.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Think about that.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And, we know that in 2020, the margin of victory in the nine swing states, we've been talking,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I know we talk a lot about these swing states.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_07]: But, in the swing states, it's 600,000 votes.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_07]: And so, think, I mean, just 32, I mean, gosh.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And, look, there are a lot of reasons why people, I mean, this survey, what Barna did is he also surveyed,

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_07]: specifically, why people aren't voting.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_07]: And one of the largest is they don't like either candidate.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_07]: They don't think their vote makes a difference.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is crazy.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Which, yeah.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got so many close elections.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_07]: When you don't, their vote doesn't make a difference.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_07]: They're completely disinterested.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Also, the other thing is a lot of pastors and churches are not informing people.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_07]: And they're not discussing it.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And in this survey, 5 million said that if their pastor did encourage them to vote, they would vote then.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_07]: So, there would be some influence.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_07]: But, I don't know.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, Liberty, you're from the younger generation.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I think a lot of these people not voting are actually closer to you in age than me and Kirby.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hear that.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I get, I really do, the frustration with, you know, the candidates at the top of the ticket.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But, again, the reminder is so important that if you say, well, I don't really know who I want to vote for in that race, so I'm just staying home.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You are, one, I know there are plenty of arguments which have been hashed out on point of view about the choice that is presented to us in presidential elections.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But there are so many elections that are so important.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You've heard on the show today about just the importance of who gets into Congress and the effect on the nation.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But you can have a big impact in your local election.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And those are where the votes are likely to come down to, you know, sometimes just a few votes.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And depending on who gets on your city council, who's on your local school board, that determines how local funds are used, what, you know, what life, the quality of living is going to be like in your local city and neighborhood.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But I have heard from a lot of peers and Gen Z, people younger than me, that they just they don't feel like the vote is going to make a difference.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard this on both sides.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: There's just this kind of, I don't know, just lull and, I guess, enthusiasm about the ability to make a difference.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really know like a big reason for that.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it just kind of speaks to a lot of the depression and oppression that younger generations feel.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that churches can get involved in making them realize that they can take action that will make a positive difference.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things you have to do, though, is vote to do that.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned, of course, pastors.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: This quote here from Penetecture, the chapel of Cornerstone Chapel, Pastor Gary Hamrick said,

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you what happens when we're not involved in the political process.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We open the door for every evil ideology to fill the vacuum.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: If Christians don't vote, then the other side that would not have a biblical point of view begins to dominate.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is certainly the case.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that you've represented some of these pastors, including one individual who is a little more outspoken,

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: apparently a warning you that maybe this week you'll actually hear a little bit more from some of the pulpits.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But the sad reality is that, as the survey says, large numbers of Christian churches have distanced themselves from the election,

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: refusing to even encourage congregants to vote.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And not only are we talking about who you vote for president and who you vote for, maybe Senate, 34 Senate races,

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_03]: it's 435 races for the House of Representatives, 36 governor races, state representatives, state senators,

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: all the way down to city council and school board.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's another part of this piece by Penetecture,

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: where Tony Perkins was encouraging people to weigh in all the way down the ballot

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and recognize that, especially as we point out,

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: some of those close elections are won by one or two votes in some cases.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The other day, Penny Pounds talked about this individual in Washington,

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_03]: where just as a good sport, he decided to vote for his opponent, and he lost by one vote.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, he deserves it.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is how close some of these are.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I've told the story of the one running for city council, in which he lost by one vote,

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he realized that neither of his sons, both that live at home with him, had not voted in that election.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So you can begin to see that when you say one vote, does it matter?

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it does.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_03]: 42,000 votes switched from three states would keep Donald Trump in office until the end of this year.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, again, don't say that your vote does not count.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But more importantly, I want to just say to the pastors,

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: there are no pastors that we know of that have lost their tax-exempt status

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_03]: because they've encouraged people to go out and vote.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely not.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And, I mean, that's an easy one.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's easy for me to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with a pastor or church encouraging their members to vote.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that is absolutely black letter.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Even the Freedom From Religion Foundation can't say that that's wrong.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, they can say it's wrong, but they would be wrong.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_07]: So there's nothing wrong with that.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, let's just go a little further.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_07]: There's nothing wrong with pastors and churches educating on issues.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_07]: What the law prohibits that we think, by the way, is unconstitutional is that pastors from the pulpit endorsing a particular candidate.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_07]: And what I would say is you don't even have to go that far.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Just inform your congregation.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I think one of the biggest problems is we are no longer training young people in the knowledge of citizenship and the responsibilities of citizenship.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And we don't do that.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_07]: We certainly don't do that in public schools anymore.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And I wonder even in some private schools, hopefully, I'm sure your parents did a good job, Liberty, of teaching you.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_07]: But, I mean, there's an obligation.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: There's an obligation.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_07]: And one of those obligations, I believe, is that we should be informed voters.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And I would encourage you, be an informed voter.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You might say, okay, where do I get that information since we're coming to the end?

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we have our Election Central.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And, again, we've made it very easy because one of the links is to First Liberty's Election Resource Center.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you can go to firstliberty.org slash elections, but you can find that.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a video, very good video, Voting is Your Biblical Duty.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We've also posted the Democratic Party platform, the Republican Party platform, and, of course, just all sorts of articles, viewpoints, fact-checking, and, of course, election resources, which we're starting to populate now.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You can click on the state and see some of the voter guides that are there.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So, all sorts of resources, no excuse for not casting an educated vote.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We have lots of information there at Point of View and at First Liberty.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Liberty, thank you for joining us.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sitting in for me when we did the broadcast one time last week.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And, Jeff, always good to see you as well.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to thank Megan for her help engineering the program.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Steve, thank you for producing the program.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Enjoy the weekend.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: See you back here on Monday right here on Point of View.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_05]: At Point of View, we believe there is power in prayer.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is why we have relaunched our Pray for America campaign, a series of weekly emails to unite Americans in prayer for our nation.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Imagine if hundreds of thousands of Americans started praying intentionally together on a weekly basis.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You can help make that a reality by subscribing to our Pray for America emails.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Just go to pointofview.net and click on the Pray for America banner that's right there on the homepage.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Each week, you'll receive a brief news update, a specific prayer guide, and a free resource to equip you in further action.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We encourage you to not only pray with us each week, but to share these prayers and the resources with others in your life.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Join the movement today.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Visit pointofview.net and click on the banner Pray for America right there at the top.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That's pointofview.net.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's pray together for God to make a difference in our land.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Point of View is produced by Point of View Ministries.