Point of View October 18, 2024 – Hour 1 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for joining me, it is the Weekend Edition, I'm so grateful that you can join us.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: We are going to be covering lots of issues today, and I might just mention that we won't spend a lot of time,

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but we now know that the leader for Hamas, Yahuwah Sinwar, actually was killed, and that is good news,

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and actually has led to some people in Israel saying maybe now we could get a ceasefire once we've eliminated some of the leadership,

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_03]: so we'll talk about that maybe next week, but I did want to at least mention that.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Today we're going to focus on a couple of very important religious liberty cases,

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_03]: in part because we have Jeff Mateer with us with First Liberty, then we're going to get into election law,

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and that has to do with, of course, the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, I should say, Glenn Youngkin,

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: as well as some other rulings, a Georgia judge ruling that some of these new election rules are not constitutional,

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and then what that might mean, and all sorts of other topics related to that.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we've had some interesting interviews this week with both the presidential candidates,

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: a debate that took place between a few senatorial candidates, so we will have a lot to cover.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But first of all, let me again mention that around the roundtable we have Liberty McCarter,

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: she is one of the people associated with Point of View, but also the host of the Know Why podcast,

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: which I highly recommend that you check out.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, Jeff Mateer, who is the executive vice president and chief legal counsel for First Liberty.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff, let me come to you for just a minute, because one of the things that came out this week

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: is that you, indeed, have filed an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court over a fire chief,

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and this is an individual that actually was in Stockton, California.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We have listeners, quite a few listeners, by the way, in Stockton, California, and all up the Central Valley.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And yet this is a case that involves more than just him.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: If, indeed, you get a positive ruling, this could be very good for Christians in all sorts of workplaces, couldn't it?

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Really, and all employees.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It even goes broader than Christians.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're representing former fire chief Ron Hiddle, who was terminated.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Must have done something really bad, right, Kirby?

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what Chief Hiddle is, he was told to do some leadership training,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and he made the decision to take advantage of some leadership training offered by,

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it's now called the Global Leadership Conference, I believe, and it comes out of Willow Creek Church.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, it is classic.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you've been, Kirby.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It is classic leadership training.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it does have some Christian authors, Christian pastors.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Bill Hybels, when he was pastor at Willow Creek, was one of the people who would speak.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But it also has secular leaders and people like Jim Collins, the author of Good to Great.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, people like Bill Clinton, the former president of the United States.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anybody says he's religious.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, perhaps somebody says, but most wouldn't say.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Chief went to this training, and he was terminated because he went to,

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: he used his company car to go to a church and receive training.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And the powers to be in the city of Stockton decided that that was religious,

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and therefore they couldn't have that, and so they terminated Chief.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And so a lawsuit was brought in district court in California.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And the case involved, the case is, it's another one of those, you know,

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: we sort of the new specialty of First Liberty is to go after 40, 50, 60-year-old precedents.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a precedent of a case called McDonnell Douglas.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So it comes out of an employment case called McDonnell Douglas.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And what it does, it's a court-created doctrine that says when an employee brings a case,

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: the employee has to first establish its case.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Then the employer can come back and say, we have another reason why we fired him.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the burden shifts back to the plaintiff to say, no, that wasn't the reason.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And no other cause of action under our law has that type of burden shifting.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the McDonnell Douglas case, you know, said that you had to do this.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Our Hiddle case, what we're saying, asking the Supreme Court is, you know,

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: this is another judicially created doctrine.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not in the text of Title VII.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And it completely makes it very, very difficult for employees to win employment cases.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And so what we're saying is, you know, you ought to just do away with this judicially made-up doctrine

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and let it be like every other case.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: The plaintiff puts its proof on, defendant rebuts it, and guess what?

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: A jury gets to decide who wins.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They get to weigh the witnesses.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's a pretty common sense.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And so this is the first time that we've had the opportunity to make this argument.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But in the chief's case, it's very important because the city's coming and saying,

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: although our evidence showed the reason they even said it.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a document said it.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They fired him because this was religious.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Then they come back in and say, well, no, no, there were these other reasons that we fired him.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And unfortunately, the court in California accepted those arguments, dismissed our case.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So we just want the chief to let a jury evaluate whether or not this happened.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's an important case.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's an important case.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Liberty, I was just thinking because if you look at the material from First Liberty,

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: they pointed out that they were so-called ten charges.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But the first five were all about religious faith.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And they admitted that the biggest reason was for his attendance of a religious event,

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: how you can necessarily call that global leadership summit a religious event,

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: other than the fact it was probably held in a church.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It was held in a church.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But that, of course, could have been held in any venue as well.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's a good example of once again a case kind of like Coach Kennedy and others.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You say, well, what's the issue about an individual as a football coach or, more recently, a letter carrier?

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: In some respects, there are a lot of other people going to be involved in this case, aren't they, ultimately?

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can imagine that if this was allowed to stand that.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about local churches and all kinds of events that they host for their community.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's you can't be religious in public.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you can't even be religious literally in the four walls of a church or, you know, go do something in a church.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then, I don't know.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Not if you're a public employee, apparently.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So, wow.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So, again, it's a very important case.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You can go to First Liberty and find out some more.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we have all those links there as well.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just thought I'd help you understand that sometimes when we talk about these cases, you think, well, it just affects this person in Stockton.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Or it just affects people that are religious.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know that there are people that might be fired because of ageism.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're too old.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But they'll say they didn't do something on the job.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And since you have to prove that it was primarily because they were really old, like me, in their 70s or something like that, you're never going to be able to be successful in some of these various cases.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a case that is broader than religious liberty.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you'd like to know more, of course, we have information about that on our website.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, a link to First Liberty.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: When we come back, though, I thought just one other case.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: First, it's football season.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is one case where I think maybe somebody dropped the ball because Deion Sanders, are you ready for this?

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He actually had a team chaplain.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was enough to cause quite a stir.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So much so that those of you that get things like Sports Illustrated are reading about it as well as people that are reading about it in the newspaper.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll talk about that.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll get into the election because there's a lot of back and forth right now, as you might imagine, because we're getting close to this election in November.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And some of these rules, regulations and requirements are up for grabs.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about that right after this.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the other day I came across a shocking statistic.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Lee Burdette Williams says about three million first-time college students will soon be arriving on campus, most of them coming directly from high school.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: About one million of them won't make it through their first year or return as sophomores.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She concludes that this attrition is financially and emotionally devastating for families, and it is also destabilizing for colleges.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So why is this happening?

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, many of these departures are financial.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Higher education costs so much more and has been rising more than twice as fast as inflation.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But another factor, often ignored, are the mental challenges these incoming college students face.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Just consider these two facts.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: First, nearly half of all college students report symptoms of depression and anxiety.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Second, the rate of students taking psychiatric medication doubled in less than a decade and a half and now includes one quarter of all students.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Lee Burdette Williams has served as the dean of students at the University of Connecticut and later at Wheaton College.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: She suggests that the nine weeks between high school graduation and a student's arrival on campus are not enough for social and mental adjustment.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They go from being under their parents' authority in management to independent living.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Although many of us made this transition in the past, today's students seem less mentally equipped to do so.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That is why she suggests two alternatives.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: One is what she calls a half-step year where the student lives at home while attending a local college.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The other is a full gap year which is becoming more popular and provides students with an opportunity to pursue study or experiences that may enhance their resume.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to make sure that your child or grandchild doesn't drop out of college, you might explore some of these suggested alternatives.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again, it's football season, and of course it wouldn't be a football season without some controversy.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually it has to do with referees that do not make the right call.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: In this case, maybe some administrators didn't make the right call because let me come back to the fact we have in studio with us, Liberty McCarter and Jeff Mateer.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out that Deion Sanders, are you ready for this?

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Cover your ears.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually called for a team chaplain.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And as we might imagine, our friends who are actually convinced that you should have total freedom from religion thought that was a really bad idea.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us more.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so anytime you get to come in supporting Deion Sanders, I mean, that's a good place to be, right?

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Primetime.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, yeah, I mean, Deion, all he's done is something that teams and sports have done for years and years.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And quite frankly, in public have done for years and years.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But after, and this is a little bit of having had a son and wife who went to Baylor, after Colorado beat Baylor, it's probably Baylor actually needed to have the chaplain coming to minister to their team after the defeat.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But Coach Sanders had the – Colorado University has a chaplain.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it does.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And he asked for the chaplain to come in and meet with the team after the victory.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And, again, no complaints from anyone.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's sort of like the Coach Kennedy.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: No one was really complaining, but someone was like, oh, this is interesting.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got a chaplain there.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Freedom From Religion Foundation, our adversaries from – I'll say adversaries from Wisconsin decided to interject themselves in.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And they wrote a nasty letter to the university saying, how dare you?

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's interesting.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Freedom From Religion Foundation needs to update their form letters because they fail to mention the Kennedy case.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is football.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: In prayer.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They love to mention Lemon, which Kennedy overturned or recognizes that Lemon is overturned.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they need to really – someone should spend some time updating their letters.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you cite Kennedy, it's going to be hard for you to say what Coach Dion did is improper because we know Kirby, and you know this,

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and our friends at Wall Builders have done such a good job demonstrating the role of religion in public life,

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and specifically with chaplains in public life, starting with, of all things, the Continental Congress in 1776,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and on through the forming of our country up until the present where Congress has and opens with prayer.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's absolutely – and the people from Freedom From Religion Foundation absolutely know this history.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And they absolutely know that there's a Coach Kennedy case, and they refuse to acknowledge it.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Instead, they want to send these missives off to school administrators who then get freaked out.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, we might get sued.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: What's going to happen?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we wanted to weigh in and just tell the university and tell Coach that, hey, look, this is garbage.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What they're telling you is incorrect.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: What you're doing is fine, and you shouldn't be criticized.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You should be applauded.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we should applaud Coach Sanders for doing this.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a Colorado Buffalo fan.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I rooted for Baylor in that game.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But let me tell you on this, Coach is absolutely right.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Coach Sanders is absolutely right.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I might just mention, too, I was gone yesterday because I was speaking on America's Godly Heritage,

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and one of my slides has a picture of the various Continental Congress members praying because Reverend Duchesne was actually leading a prayer time.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I made the one joke, and you've heard this before, that we're told in all these classes that the founders were a bunch of Unitarians.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't evangelical Christians.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't dedicated Christians.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They believed maybe in a God, but that was it.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, you know, this particular prayer meeting lasted all morning, and it's kind of amazing that Unitarians are willing to pray that long.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it's amazing.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is where I think the – I know the Bartons in some circles get criticized, but I think sometimes you get criticized because you're over the target.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But the Bartons when – and I would encourage anybody, go look at their – I mean, look, if you don't like the Bartons, I mean, whatever.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But they have the original documents.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And so when you read the original documents and you see what John Jay is saying, one of our first Supreme Court justices, you see what he is saying.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Benjamin Rush.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And Benjamin Rush.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: John Adams.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Even James Madison.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not Unitarian.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's certainly not.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: They're mentioning Jesus, and it is very clear it's a Trinitarian view.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, again, don't just take the Bartons' word for it.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't just take my word for it.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Go back to the original documents.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Read the original documents.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And you will see that those – our founders were, to almost a person, were just infused with a Christian worldview.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were not praying to some distant watchmaking God.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They were praying to a personal Jesus Christ.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and Liberty, I know you've studied this first as a homeschooled individual and then homeschooling your kids.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And, again, just one other one we always love to mention is James Madison, who pushes through the First Amendment, really the whole Bill of Rights.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And the day after, he pushes through the First Amendment about the establishment of religion, then calls for chaplains in the United States Senate.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So, obviously, he did not see any contradiction between establishment of religion and chaplains.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And the fact is, is the Freedom from Religion Foundation – you can't even say this with a straight face.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They said that you have a chaplain at the University of Colorado.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've been to Boulder, Colorado.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Got beat up a lot in the classroom there.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little more liberal than some of the other schools, by the way.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It is very liberal.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels a lot like my hometown of Berkeley.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But, anyway, but, again, you have your chaplain.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You bring them in.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you say that's somehow unconstitutional.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was wondering when Jeff was speaking, if the military can have chaplains and if the United States Senate can have chaplains,

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: why can't a college football team have a chaplain?

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also – I think that the name of the organization of your adversaries is kind of a giveaway.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really about religious freedom, but truly they want freedom from religion.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They want religion to not exist, but you can't erase religion.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's something – that's a human right.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, these are the two cases and many others.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a link to First Liberty.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: As a matter of fact, we're going to be talking about elections.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So let me just mention, if you go to Election Central, we have many of our material there.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But one of the links also links you to the election material at First Liberty.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And they have some excellent printouts.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So I encourage you, even though they're separate organizations, First Liberty is different than Point of View.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I would encourage you to get both because we're in a campaign season.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: As illustrated by the fact that one of the things that the governor of the Commonwealth in Massachusetts wanted to do is follow the law.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And the law in Commonwealth Massachusetts says that if indeed you have individuals who have,

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: when they've actually got a driver's license, indicate whether or not they're a citizen,

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: they check the box, in this case saying, I'm not a citizen of the United States.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Then he wanted to then make sure that we check the role of those people who have told us that they are not citizens with the individuals that are actually registered to vote.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And yet somehow, Liberty, that's controversial to actually try to remove anybody from the voter rolls who actually has self-identified as not being a citizen of the United States.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And one of the articles that you posted on the website, I thought this was such a good observation that, you know,

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: right now the Harris campaign is really battling to prove that it is not weak on the border or weak on illegal immigration.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, when you go through all the evidence, it really seems like what's the explanation for opposing enforcing the law like this unless you really want to make it easier for illegals to be able to vote.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And it just doesn't really make sense is why they're opposing this.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not doing them any favors on that regard.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Jeff, I was wondering, the governor actually posted his executive order back in August, but they only waited till now.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's because there's some evidence that a blue state that is or at least a purple state, Virginia, might actually go for Trump rather than Harris.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Now they're actually bringing the lawsuit.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I almost think it's election interference on the other side.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I was about to say I continue to lose respect for Merrick Garland, but I've lost respect.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess I mean, when you've lost it, you can't lose it anymore.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So disappointing.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, this is such a ridiculous case that I mean, we're not going to allow a state remove people who can't vote from its voter rules, saying that that somehow interferes with.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, Virginia has a very and the article that you posted, Kirby, does a great job.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Dan McLaughlin, who usually does a great job at National Review, comparing the West, the the the action.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess it was no Alabama and and Virginia.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: To me, this is this defies common sense.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely defies.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to come back and talk more about that.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it would be appropriate since our take action item this week is to stop non citizen voting in the District of Columbia.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, again, non citizens can only vote in local elections.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can see to use the old phrase camel nose under the tent or a wedge illustration.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if they can vote for local elections, why can't they vote for a federal election?

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll come back and talk a little bit more about that and maybe raise some questions about this issue of voter fraud.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about that right after this.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They say men can be women and women, men.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: People are prosecuted differently or not at all, depending on their politics.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law abiding citizens.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You feel like giving up, but we can't.

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[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again, latter half of October.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No surprise that we're seeing a number of different lawsuits having to do with elections.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're talking at the moment about one in Virginia.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: For our listeners in Georgia, we're going to talk about that in just a minute.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But in studio with us today, Jeff Mater and Liberty McCarter.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And Liberty, we have some material from this article.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, Jeff mentioned that this is a very good article, six pages.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you have the time to maybe print it out and read it, I think that will give you a good education of what we're talking about.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it is also incumbent upon individuals to recognize that although this is a national election for the presidency,

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: all the other elections are state or local.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Constitution, help me, Jeff, if I've said this incorrectly, that the states are responsible for the election.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So when somebody comes in with a national edict, especially Merrick Garland, who is the attorney general,

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: to try to counteract what is going on in the states, I think we've got a problem.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're dealing, aren't we, Liberty, with a case and a law in Virginia that actually would require some of this, right?

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that this is why we have to remember to always do your own investigation, do your own research,

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and really dig into the details.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you were just going to listen to the DOJ complaint,

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: then you would be under the impression that some major violation, voter suppression is happening,

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that there are thousands of citizens that, you know, are able to vote constitutionally,

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: are now being purged from the rolls, and they're not going to be able to vote on Election Day.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you look into that, and there's really not any evidence to support that allegation.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore, back in 2006, the law that Governor Glenn Youngkin is now defending was actually signed by then-Governor Tim Kaine,

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and it had bipartisan support.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, again, I think it goes to your point earlier of all of a sudden this is an issue right before the election,

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: when in the past it really hasn't been controversial.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, again, we want to warn people that you're going to hear over the next couple of days

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: all sorts of attempts at voter suppression,

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: taking individuals who would be eligible to vote off the voter rolls.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, the argument that comes from the ACLU.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you the ACLU arguments and the response.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The ACLU arguments and the Brennan Center and some of these that are really against this

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: are that, well, okay, when they got their driver's license and said,

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a citizen, maybe now they've become a citizen.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's a possibility.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That means they could still go to the polls,

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and even if they couldn't document it then,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they would be given a provisional ballot.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So nobody's keeping anybody from filing a provisional ballot, right?

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's important to, I mean, the Virginia process is important.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So what happens?

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So, again, it's a systematic search.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The search determines that someone it believes is a non-citizen.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: That then kicks out a notice to that person.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: They have to respond.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They have 14 days, and then if they don't,

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and you could respond and say, oh, no, no, no,

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I am a citizen.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's my proof.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: If you don't respond, then you get kicked off.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I think as you just mentioned, Kirby, the thing,

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't like this, but this is the Virginia law.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: The Virginia law has, you know, like in Texas, we have a cutoff.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I think we've already had the cutoff when you can register.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: There is no such registration cutoff in Virginia.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Virginia, you can register to vote the day you vote on election day.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's say you don't get your mail.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't see the notice.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You show up, and they're like, well, you've been struck.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not registered to vote.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I am a citizen.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, guess what?

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You can register and vote.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what's, and that's why this is just, this is the DOJ being weaponized.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And I believe they're interfering.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This is Kamala interfering in election on behalf of Kamala Harris.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: One other thing I might just mention is we hear time and time again that this is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you read through this article that we've made available, you have to get to the fourth page.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But then it reminds us that the Heritage Foundation has a section called Election Fraud Cases,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and their database has found, just for example, 77 instances of non-citizens voting.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I might just mention that four years ago when I produced this booklet I'm holding up right now on election fraud,

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: when I produced it between the primary and the general election,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the only examples I used of voter fraud were examples where Democrats accused other Democrats of voter fraud

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that went to the court and were adjudicated because I had enough of those right there.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So that it took away the idea that this is just an attempt at Republican Party suppression.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But in there I quoted from, at the time, the Heritage Foundation that had on their database,

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and this was four years ago, 1,300 examples of voter fraud that actually had made their way into the news.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't even claim that that was all of the examples that probably existed.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They were just talking about the ones that had some publicity and were adjudicated.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, you for a while worked with the Attorney General of the State of Texas.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: There have been people prosecuted in the state of Texas for voter fraud.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're broadcasting today in Dallas, Texas.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And not so long ago I had, when he was still the state senator, Don Huffines,

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: document that we had, and he had uncovered all sorts of examples of non-citizen voting in Dallas County,

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: some going all the way back to 1980.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So is this a problem?

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a big problem?

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But the bottom line is, lots of times people say, well, voter fraud's a problem, but it's not a big problem.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I always like to ask the question that comes from another state, Senator Brian Hughes.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, how much fraud do you think is appropriate?

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is the world that we live in today, and you will get for the next couple weeks all sorts of hand-waving about this is voter suppression,

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: this is trying to find a solution for a problem that doesn't exist,

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and these are mean-spirited people really trying to keep you from being able to exercise the voting franchise.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's just not the case.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and every vote does matter because we know race is decided by as little as 23 votes in a state rep race.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Or I heard a speaker the other day, 67 votes.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He won by 67 votes.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it does matter.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And it goes back to, really what I think is the law is a non-citizen cannot vote in a federal election.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, a non-citizen can't vote in a Texas election.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: There are, I think as you pointed out, there are some jurisdictions who allow non-citizens to vote.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's crazy.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But what we do know on the federal level, a non-citizen can't vote.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And I kind of feel like Merrick Garland and the Biden-Harris DOJ, they don't like that.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they would rather have non-citizens vote.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So they take actions like this.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just ignoring the law that non-citizens can't vote.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, I mean, what Virginia has done, it's just so common sense.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to go through the rules and we're going to strike non-citizens.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you ask, well, a process under federal law is due process.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, has there been due process for someone?

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And look, it is conceivable that there could be mistakes made.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So you need to have a process that fixes those mistakes.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, guess what?

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Virginia has that process.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So there shouldn't be any problem, any problem with the Virginia law.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't even, I mean, does Merrick Garland really believe this is a good lawsuit?

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Or is this just, we're going to file a lawsuit to say we filed a lawsuit?

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll see who wins.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: One more I'll mention just before we take a break because we'll move on to some other topics.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Our listeners in Georgia may be aware of this.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, I just want you to illustrate that this one in Virginia or also the one in Alabama are just not a one-off.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some others.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And our next article is from Sarah Arnold.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: We won't spend a lot of time on it.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But a Georgia judge ruled that the county election board members cannot block the certification of votes based on suspicions of fraud.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And this was, interestingly enough, the rules which were passed three to two on the elections board,

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: then are now being ruled illegal, unconstitutional, and void.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I'll come back to the simple statement that we really want to make it easy to vote,

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but we also want to make it hard to cheat.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think what is happening is every time you hear one of these arguments of voter suppression,

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: it will be used by various groups that want to extend the franchise by either arguing,

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: well, you're already allowing people to vote at local elections.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the action item today that you, if you have been in the District of Columbia for 30 days.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That blew my mind.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could be a diplomat.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You could be a China diplomat.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You could be a Russian diplomat.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: If you've been there for 30 days and you're 18 years old, you can vote in a local election.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is happening in states around the country, mostly in cities, mostly in blue states, mostly in blue cities.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But it is happening.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know the argument.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: The argument will be, well, if you allow them to vote in local elections,

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: why shouldn't they be allowed to vote in every election?

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They're paying taxes.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So, again, no taxation without representation.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't that the theme of the American Revolution?

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So you can see how this is just a wedge argument to try to expand the number of people that will vote.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And given the fact that we have, what are the best estimates?

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03]: 25 million people that are here illegally in this country.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That, I think, would change every swing state vote.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And that would be a single party.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's disastrous.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So, anyway, if you think this is not an issue, I think we've made the case.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to some other topics.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it would be interesting for you to look behind, maybe lift up the hood, and realize what's going on behind the scenes.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Be right back.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: According to statistics from George Varna, 41 million Americans who describe themselves as born-again Christians are unlikely to vote in the November elections.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: His research, conducted in August and September, dug deeper into the reasons for these Christians' complacency.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Family Research Council's daily news publication, The Washington Stand, reports that 68% of them said they're not interested in politics.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: 57% don't like either of the presidential candidates.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: 52% don't think their vote will make a difference.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And 48% of respondents cited concerns about manipulation of election results.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the presidency that's at stake.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: FRC's president, Tony Perkins, encourages believers to pay attention and weigh in all the way down the ballot,

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: warning that control of the House and Senate hangs in the balance.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He points out that governors, state attorneys general, local school boards, even controllers,

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: are amassing major victories in protecting children from radical gender ideology,

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: pushing back on corporate America's woke agenda, fighting the Biden administration's lawless overreach,

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and passing sweeping pro-life and pro-parent laws.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: FRC brought several speakers and pastors to Washington, D.C. last week and for its Pray, Vote, Stand conference.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Cornerstone Chapel pastor Gary Hamrick told the crowd,

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you what happens when we are not involved in the political process.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We open the door for every evil ideology to fill the vacuum.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: In Romans 13, we read that government is created and established by God.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: In our nation, we have the opportunity to influence the government by choosing our leaders.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Christians who do not vote shirk a crucial responsibility for stewardship.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The left is ready to pass laws that will entrench its power and make elections pointless.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Another pastor, Jack Hibbs, told the D.C. audience,

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We must take every opportunity God gives us to advance His kingdom.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And, he said, voting is the easiest.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not planning to vote, he says, you need to repent.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Back once again, Jeff Petier, Liberty McCarter, and one of the other articles that we've posted here by Rich Lowry

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: about Republican candidates actually are taking on Democrats on the issue of transgender.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we've mentioned that previously, but I thought we'd get into it in a little more detail.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We've seen that in the Senate election here, Ted Cruz and Colin Allred.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: We've also seen that in a couple of senatorial races, Wisconsin, Ohio.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just mention a few.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it even showed up a little bit in the Montana case.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And the issue is pretty straightforward.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: When given an opportunity to actually ban individuals who are male, biologically male, who now say they're trans,

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: then these individuals voted against the Protecting Women and Girls Sports Act.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think the argument was, as a Democrat, I have to vote for that.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I vote against that because that shows my sympathy to LGBTQ+.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's become a real issue.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And Liberty, I'd like to come to you because as a woman, first of all, we've talked about the dangers of having boys competing against girls,

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: men competing against women.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And in some of these sports, it has been unfair, like in track.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's in some cases when you're talking about lacrosse, you're talking about rugby or a variety of others.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Rugby is not a contact sport.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It is a collision sport.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And people are getting hurt.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And so now they're having to account for some of their votes that they made in the United States Senate.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that this point has been made so many times, but it really is so true.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't protect women's rights if you can't define what a woman is.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually, earlier today, I was looking up Colin Allred, a candidate for the Texas Senate, looking at his website just to see, does he mention this?

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And, of course, there is a paragraph about, you know, equality and diversity and LGBTQ plus rights.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the very end it says, and here are the ways that I have specifically supported women's rights.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And, again, just kind of that irony of, you know, you can't support one without really negating the other in terms of the transgender ideology.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think what's happening is that there is a lot of pressure on Democrats to, on the one hand, not make a misstep politically to do something that seems politically incorrect,

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: while at the same time there are so many whistleblowers on the left talking about the dangers, especially for children, of this transgender ideology and the treatments and causing them, allowing them to transition while they're young.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the support is really falling beneath them.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I really do believe that in the future we'll look back and say, what were we thinking with this?

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It is so bad for kids.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And now Democrats are stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of, because the American people know, they support the common sense on this issue.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and they absolutely do.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that, I was actually surprised that the numbers were as low that this article says 67%.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen much higher numbers.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen higher as well.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone I used the other day had a higher number.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And playing boys in school, you know, girls, boys playing girls sports.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the, the, the, the, I, and I think we were talking off air, but this, I mean, probably the best campaign ad, at least that I've seen this campaign season is, is won by the crew.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's what's done to support Ted Cruz.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't know who, who did the ad, but it's, it's in where you've got somebody, you've got obviously a male taking out a female in a sports game.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And the back of the Jersey is, is Colin Aldred, who is a former professional football player.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So it, it, it, it just, it is very appropriate.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the fact, and you know, when you're responding to an ad, then you're losing.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Aldred has now responded to that ad with, with his own in which he says, oh no, no, I'm not, I'm not, you know, despite some votes that, that he made as a congressman.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, no, no, I'm, I'm not for that.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But, and then the, the, to me, the, the cherry on top of this issue is then he's getting hammered by LGBT groups.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: How dare one that you use the term boys and girls.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the, apparently you're not allowed.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that Liberty cannot use the term boys and girls?

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'll have to update my homeschool curriculum.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't, you can't say, what do you say then?

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But then he's getting criticized for it from the left because he's taken back the votes that, that, that he made, made previously.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about what that might mean to the Senate because you have at least, let me just pick two other incumbents.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Senator Brown, Ohio.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Senator Baldwin, Wisconsin.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think some people thought it would be possible that there could be a Republican pickup in Ohio, but that was really a coin flip at best.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't think a lot of people are thinking about a Republican pickup in Wisconsin.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But you talked before about the importance of the Senate, because I think you could say that for sure Republicans will pick up West Virginia, probably will pick up Montana.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you start picking up Ohio, Wisconsin, and a few others, that becomes a very different United States Senate.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And that means in terms of federal judicial appointments, whether it's to the cabinet or to the federal judiciary, these are really important issues.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, it's, it's interesting how the Senate is going to shape up and, and that, that, that is key.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It, I mean, it's one thing to say, you know, the Republicans have, have, have, you know, let's say they got 50 senators and then you have president Trump.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you get, you get Vance, then it becomes the tie vote, which the Democrats have had.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so much more important because on the Republican side, we have this group of, what's the kind word?

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Moderate?

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that the kindest word we can say?

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Moderate.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Unpredictable.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, the Susan Collins type.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_04]: We know.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And, and there's, I mean, there's two, three, four that are, are, are going to on, on, on, especially judicial nominations.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to have undue influence moderating potential picks to, to, to the judiciary.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the Democrats, they, they're losing, you know, the people that we as Republicans reply, rely on to side with Republicans occasionally.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: On issues, the mansions, the cinemas won't be in the Senate anymore.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, the big fear, I mean, one of the biggest fear that, that, that, that I have is Democrats win the Senate.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: They win it.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: They, and it's a, I mean, they can win and get, you know, 51 50.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Somehow Harris wins.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the Democrats decide no more filibuster and Katie bar the door.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_04]: In the past, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema have been obstacles to that.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they, they actually believe in our constitutional system, unlike the majority of Democrats.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're not going to be there anymore.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if the Democrats, the Democrats, if the Democrats retain, retain control of the Senate, 50 or more, I don't know who the mansions and cinemas are.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're going to be replaced by more left.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that creates a lot of problems.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But on the flip side, if the Republicans are able to gain more than just a bare majority, then that very, very much will mean we'll have a more conservative agenda.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll have more conservative judges we'll be able to get through.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, recognize you're not just voting for the president.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You're voting for the 5,000 people or more.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Some years it's almost up to 10,000, depending on where in some of these terms break off.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Of individuals that are serving in the FAA, the FEC, the FTA, all the three-letter acronyms, and we can go on and on.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: As well as all the people that serve in the federal judiciary that have given you some of the most incredible, what are you up to now?

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Nine Supreme Court victories, I think, in First Liberty.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Those would not have happened with different kind of judges that say Hillary Clinton back in 2017 and onward would have put in there.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Merrick Garland.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he actually was supposed to be in there, they said.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, we're going to take a break and we come back.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We have other things to talk about.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There are 200 doctors, nurses, and health care professionals who are really concerned about the mental acuity of President Donald Trump.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Tom Knighton said, where were these 200 doctors four years ago?

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll talk about that.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: A couple of other very important issues, including marijuana initiatives on the ballot.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Pennedectra talked about that yesterday.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We think we'll come back to that.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, most importantly, are Christians going to vote or are they going to sit this one out?

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot more to cover.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about that right after this.

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