Point of View November 8, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

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[00:00:24] Kelly Shackleford, Jeff Mateer, of course just a few minutes ago we had one of our callers, Richard, talking about some things like same-sex marriage,

[00:00:32] which interesting enough in this article by Dan McLaughlin, you did it to yourselves, Democrats, under the, I love this line,

[00:00:39] extremism and defensive vice is no virtue, which is kind of a turn of phrase for those of us that remember 1964,

[00:00:45] and Phyllis Schlafly and all the rest, but he goes in and talks about the fact that because of Obergefell,

[00:00:51] and actually judicial activism, we change the whole perception people have about same-sex marriage

[00:00:57] with a 5-4 vote that took place just a few years ago, and at the same time yesterday I was quoting from Noah Rothman,

[00:01:07] who reminded us that 10 years ago there was a red wave, a real red wave, in which you had 9 Democratic senators lost,

[00:01:16] 54 House Democrats lost, and the president at that time, Barack Obama said,

[00:01:21] to everyone that voted I want to know that I heard you, and he said that was a mirage.

[00:01:26] He only went on to say to the two-thirds of voters who chose not to participate in the process today, I hear you too.

[00:01:31] But then they went on and just acted as if nothing had changed, and that's kind of what I'm hearing from Richard right now.

[00:01:38] Yeah, I mean, that's what, if you watch a lot of the people there, they're saying, well, that, you know, why did you lose the election?

[00:01:47] Well, because the people are stupid.

[00:01:49] I mean...

[00:01:49] That's a winning theme.

[00:01:51] Yeah, I mean, that's...

[00:01:52] See how far that goes.

[00:01:53] Yeah, I mean, look, they had already just called them Nazis and garbage and all these other things, instead of listening, you know, to the real impact.

[00:02:03] That's just why they started bleeding people from their own party and from different constituencies.

[00:02:08] So, I mean, that's a great way to not learn and to end up having the same things happen to you.

[00:02:17] It's, you know, we'll see.

[00:02:19] We'll see if they eventually try to figure out what really happened.

[00:02:24] I mean, but this party, the Democratic Party has moved so far left so fast.

[00:02:30] And that's what some of the old-time Democrats are saying.

[00:02:33] Yeah, and it's so obvious.

[00:02:35] And so, you know, it's not real surprising.

[00:02:40] And especially when you're in the situation you're in in this election when you've got a...

[00:02:47] I think that one of the most, you know, unpopular presidents at the time of the election, that's not a great way to...

[00:02:55] You're not usually going to win then.

[00:02:57] And you have the economy and the border.

[00:03:00] And the thing is, these were like...

[00:03:02] These aren't real complex things.

[00:03:04] I mean, the border, they...

[00:03:06] Everybody remembered that at the end of Trump's term, he had figured out a way.

[00:03:11] He bumped his head against, I mean, a lot trying to fix this border situation.

[00:03:16] He eventually found a way and he had, I think, 101 executive orders.

[00:03:20] He had this situation where he met with the head of Mexico and threatened to take their money away.

[00:03:26] And, but it was working.

[00:03:27] It was working.

[00:03:29] And then as soon as...

[00:03:30] Biden was proud of revoking all of his executive orders.

[00:03:34] So it wasn't like this was highly complicated.

[00:03:36] It was like one guy worked real hard, figured out a way to kind of control the border.

[00:03:41] The other guy just blew it up.

[00:03:42] And then they didn't seem to care.

[00:03:44] And even people in their own party who were being victimized by this, they would speak out.

[00:03:49] They would, you know...

[00:03:51] I saw somebody on TV last night that was...

[00:03:53] I think they're with the DNC.

[00:03:55] And they said, they were real cautious because they said, you know, I'm probably going to get attacked by this because you're really not allowed to say this in the Democratic Party.

[00:04:05] But the border was a bad situation.

[00:04:08] And it's like...

[00:04:09] I saw that.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:10] And so you're like, you're like, gosh, it was...

[00:04:15] Ding, ding, ding.

[00:04:15] It was obvious.

[00:04:16] And yet if they don't learn the lesson, they're doomed to repeat it if they ever get control in any situations again.

[00:04:24] So you wonder.

[00:04:26] I mean, you're going to have the factions fighting, which you already do, right?

[00:04:31] You've got Biden.

[00:04:33] You've got Kamala's team.

[00:04:36] You've got, you know, the Obamas and their team, the Clintons.

[00:04:39] I saw another quote from a Clinton team today.

[00:04:41] So they're all fighting, infighting.

[00:04:43] But then publicly, it's like, we didn't hear a thing.

[00:04:47] You're just stupid, you know?

[00:04:49] Oh, and by the way, you're Hitler and you're garbage and there are all these other things.

[00:04:53] That is not a recipe for victory.

[00:04:56] Well, and if you're looking...

[00:04:57] I mean, think about the Democratic Party today.

[00:04:59] They wake up.

[00:05:01] I mean, who is their standard bearer going forward?

[00:05:03] That was the next thing people are saying.

[00:05:06] There is no natural leader.

[00:05:07] There is no natural leader.

[00:05:09] And also, I think, you know, as Kelly pointed out, they've moved so far to the left.

[00:05:14] Who are the moderate Democrats?

[00:05:16] Hard to find.

[00:05:17] I mean, because you think about it.

[00:05:19] Sinema's gone.

[00:05:20] Manchin is gone.

[00:05:21] Bob Casey, thankfully, is gone.

[00:05:23] We're going to get to the Senate in a minute.

[00:05:25] Yeah.

[00:05:26] Is gone.

[00:05:26] And the tester is gone.

[00:05:28] And so those who...

[00:05:30] I mean, I have a hard time calling some of them moderate.

[00:05:33] But, I mean, more moderate than Elizabeth Warren.

[00:05:37] I mean, they're gone.

[00:05:38] Now, maybe in the governorships.

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:41] They have maybe, you know...

[00:05:42] Shapiro.

[00:05:43] Shapiro.

[00:05:43] Josh Stein won in North Carolina.

[00:05:45] I mean, you know, we're...

[00:05:46] I mean, in state, Trump won, you know, although I don't know, we did as well, perhaps, with the

[00:05:52] nominee in North Carolina on the GOP side.

[00:05:54] No.

[00:05:54] We know that.

[00:05:55] But nevertheless, I mean, when you have a...

[00:05:58] You know, where Trump did so well in so many places, you do have a few Democrat victories.

[00:06:03] But where are the moderates in the Democratic Party?

[00:06:07] I mean, they're gone.

[00:06:09] And so they are a party of the left.

[00:06:11] Well, let me say why is this, right?

[00:06:14] And the answer is what the Democratic Party has done over the last three elections is really

[00:06:22] made sure that their people couldn't pick their leaders.

[00:06:25] I mean, for instance, I think they might have had a chance, maybe, if they were going

[00:06:30] to boot Biden out like they did, if they would have had a real contest in their own convention

[00:06:36] and let there be a battle and let somebody rise up to be the most...

[00:06:40] I mean, I think it would have had a lot of energy around that.

[00:06:42] You know, I don't know.

[00:06:43] They still could have lost, but...

[00:06:45] And we'd have President Gavin Newsom today, huh?

[00:06:47] Well, yeah, we could.

[00:06:49] We could.

[00:06:50] Or Josh Shapiro or any of these people.

[00:06:53] But there would have been a contest, right?

[00:06:55] But they didn't allow that.

[00:06:57] Okay?

[00:06:57] This superdelegates thing that they do and all this where the elites in their own party

[00:07:02] won't even allow their own people to pick the nominee.

[00:07:05] They wouldn't allow anybody to run against Biden in the primary, right?

[00:07:09] I mean, look at RFK, who had a significant percentage of support there.

[00:07:14] They wouldn't allow him to run.

[00:07:15] What happened when Bernie Sanders started to catch on?

[00:07:18] Hillary Clinton, they did the superdelegates.

[00:07:20] They pushed, you know, Bernie Sanders out.

[00:07:24] So part of the reason they don't have anybody is they're not allowing contests.

[00:07:28] They're not allowing people to actually get in the fray and see who rises to the top.

[00:07:34] So this is their own doing and it's been happening now for, you know, 12 years.

[00:07:40] And it's amazing that the Democrats are even putting up with this.

[00:07:45] But it's, they're creating their own problem because they're putting their thumb on the scale

[00:07:53] and they're controlling things.

[00:07:55] So, you know, we're not a democracy, okay?

[00:07:58] We're a democratic republic.

[00:08:00] But a democratic republic, running for office is messy, okay?

[00:08:04] It's messy for your party.

[00:08:06] You've got all kinds of people.

[00:08:07] It's chaos.

[00:08:08] But that's what America is.

[00:08:10] And if you don't allow it, you're going to suffer the consequences.

[00:08:12] Well, let's take a break.

[00:08:14] But again, I think it's interesting for our younger listeners out there about 12 years ago,

[00:08:19] some people wondered what the future of the Republican Party was.

[00:08:22] I'm not necessarily wanting to bury the Democratic Party, but the Democratic Party is really dealing

[00:08:28] with some internal struggles and questions.

[00:08:30] We come back, we'll also talk about the fact that the next time there's a census,

[00:08:34] it will be even worse for Democrats, even better for Republicans.

[00:08:37] And I do want to get some comments around the table about the Senate because that's going to affect the federal judiciary

[00:08:43] and the cabinet and all sorts of other individuals.

[00:08:47] We'll take a break, come back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] The crisis of men and boys is well known and well documented.

[00:09:07] My radio interviews with Dr. Warren Farrell and his book, The Boy Crisis, is but one example.

[00:09:12] Jordan Peterson has been speaking and writing about his concerns for many years.

[00:09:16] The latest warning comes from a David Brooks op-ed in the New York Times

[00:09:19] and the publication of a new book by Richard Reeves of Boys and Men.

[00:09:23] For example, boys are struggling in the classroom.

[00:09:26] American girls are 14 percentage points more likely to be school ready than boys at age 5,

[00:09:31] controlling for parental characteristics.

[00:09:34] Men are struggling in the workplace.

[00:09:36] One in three American men with only a high school diploma, 10 million men, are now out of the workforce.

[00:09:42] And men are also struggling physically.

[00:09:44] They account for nearly three out of four deaths of despair through suicide and drug overdoses in this country.

[00:09:50] The new book by Richard Reeves provides more concerning documentation of a crisis of men and boys.

[00:09:55] One surprising finding was that boys are much more hindered by challenging environments like poverty or broken homes.

[00:10:02] He also explains that many policies and programs designed to promote social mobility work for women, but not for men.

[00:10:09] For example, government programs like early childhood education produce significant gains for women, but not for men.

[00:10:15] When we had a round table discussion of these issues, we concluded that these authors did a good job of identifying the problems,

[00:10:22] but could not offer a solution to a society still searching for a modern masculine ideal.

[00:10:28] Therefore, pastors and men in the church need to provide a biblical foundation for manhood

[00:10:33] and must teach it to their boys and men in the church.

[00:10:36] We need a biblical answer to a major crisis in our culture.

[00:10:40] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:03] Back once again, we'll try to get some phone calls, but maybe not.

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[00:11:09] One of the articles I posted the other day, could California elect Donald Trump?

[00:11:13] Now, the joke was not that he would actually win California, New York, or Illinois,

[00:11:17] but the number of people that have left from California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and all those that all lost a vote.

[00:11:25] Those went to Texas, two in Texas, and one for Colorado, Florida, Montana, all that is a shift, and that shift is significant because you can start doing some numbers that in order for Trump, if he only won Georgia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina, this time he could get 270 votes, but in 2020 he'd only go get 268.

[00:11:47] If he'd won Arizona, North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin, he'd go 272 votes, but he only got 269 in 2020.

[00:11:55] Well, if that's not bad news for the Democrats, our friend Ben Shapiro has run the map, and assuming that the next census goes as we predict, it looks like, are you ready for this?

[00:12:06] Texas could pick up four more, and maybe Florida could pick up three.

[00:12:12] You might say, where are those coming from?

[00:12:14] Well, three are coming from New York, three are coming from California, so you're starting to look at the fact that he points out that if you thought it was actually harder for a Democrat to run in 2024 than 2020,

[00:12:27] it will be even harder because there will be 12 additional electoral votes that will be more likely Republican.

[00:12:35] Well, that makes it a little easier for somebody running for the presidency, but I want to go around the roundtable.

[00:12:41] It looks like we've got at least 53 Republican senators.

[00:12:45] Kelly, talk about that because some people say, well, if you get 51, that's fine.

[00:12:48] No, if you get 53, 54, 55, it makes a big difference.

[00:12:51] Explain why.

[00:12:52] It's a huge – I mean, you know, when I was watching the election, I was watching for the presidency and the Senate.

[00:12:57] Yes.

[00:12:58] I really wasn't even paying attention to the House.

[00:13:00] I shouldn't say that.

[00:13:01] You know, one of our former attorneys is Mike Johnson, who's now the Speaker of the House.

[00:13:05] So, you know, hopefully Mike's not listening because of the courts.

[00:13:11] I mean, that's what we do.

[00:13:12] We battle in the court for religious freedom and the First Amendment.

[00:13:16] And, you know, the judges that are appointed for life are nominated by the president and have to be confirmed by the Senate.

[00:13:25] Well, when some people, you know, and Trump included, aren't totally pleased with his first Supreme Court picks, right?

[00:13:33] Now, they did do a lot of big things, right?

[00:13:37] Roe v. Wade, religious freedom, Second Amendment, a number of these things.

[00:13:41] But people have been disappointed because essentially what you have right now is you've got Thomas and Alito, who are the conservatives.

[00:13:51] And notice, Trump didn't appoint either one of them.

[00:13:54] Then you've got Amy Coney Barrett, Kavanaugh, and the Chief Justice Roberts.

[00:14:00] They're considered the more middle – you also have Gorsuch, considered conservative.

[00:14:06] And then you've got those three who are kind of in the middle.

[00:14:11] I mean, they're conservative, but they're more moderate conservative.

[00:14:14] And you've got the three liberals.

[00:14:15] And so people are like, well, gosh, why are there only two or three conservatives on the court after all these people Trump put on?

[00:14:23] The Senate was 51-49.

[00:14:25] It's tough.

[00:14:26] And that 51 included, like, Jeff Flake, Susan Collins, Murkowski from Alaska.

[00:14:36] So he didn't have any room to go real strong.

[00:14:39] Well, and I was thinking wrong about this, too.

[00:14:43] Think of – all right, let's just say it's just 53.

[00:14:46] You think, oh, well, that's just three over 50.

[00:14:49] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:14:51] 53-47.

[00:14:53] You got it.

[00:14:53] Okay, that's six.

[00:14:54] That's a big margin.

[00:14:57] That gives him the ability to go with a solid, you know, a Scalia, a Thomas.

[00:15:04] You know, and so this is a big deal.

[00:15:06] And that's – and obviously I'm more focused on judges, which I think is the most important.

[00:15:11] But it also will affect all of his cabinet, everybody he's trying to get through.

[00:15:17] And so it's a big deal across the board because, you know, personnel is policy, right?

[00:15:25] It's what we've heard for many decades.

[00:15:27] And it's the truth.

[00:15:28] It's the people you put in those positions.

[00:15:30] And if you remember last time, it took him forever to get those people through the Senate.

[00:15:37] And so he couldn't even really do what he had promised to do because he didn't have people – he had all these temporaries that were running things.

[00:15:45] So this will – that will make a big difference, that Senate margin and the ability for him to put in people that he wants to put in.

[00:15:52] You talked about last time 235 judicial appointments by Trump.

[00:15:56] Of course, U.S. attorneys, U.S. marshals, cabinet secretaries.

[00:15:59] And then you have all the three-letter agencies, SEC, FCC, FEC, FTC.

[00:16:04] You know, right now the FCC doesn't seem to be all that favorable towards Christian programming.

[00:16:09] And so to get the right people in there, the FEC, Federal Elections Commission, you know, there's some things they wanted to change there.

[00:16:15] And then, of course, all the senior White House aides, the deputies and assistants.

[00:16:19] But most importantly, there is a real difference between Amy Coney Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson, isn't there?

[00:16:25] Yes, there is.

[00:16:25] And I think that's going to be significant, isn't it, Jeff?

[00:16:28] No, absolutely.

[00:16:29] And I think, you know, Kelly's point, I mean, that margin, just those two more senators will be huge.

[00:16:38] And plus the other is, I mean, Flake's not – like you said, Flake's not in there anymore.

[00:16:42] That's right.

[00:16:42] And you think about some of the pickups that we've had, I mean, they are really – I mean, real conservatives.

[00:16:50] And so they should be solid votes for more conservative judges, certainly for the cabinet that the president wants to pick.

[00:17:00] So it's a real opportunity.

[00:17:03] And, you know, maybe we squeak out Nevada.

[00:17:05] I mean, I don't think that's over yet, right?

[00:17:07] Could be 54, but –

[00:17:09] Yeah, but – I mean, which even give you another – a little bit more.

[00:17:12] And don't forget, you get to 50, you get Vance's vote.

[00:17:15] And so – and I think what happens, too, is even the Collins and the Murkowskis, knowing that they can't hold it up, then come along.

[00:17:24] And they've got to pick their battles and what are they going to pick it over.

[00:17:28] So it's very, very important.

[00:17:29] It also gives them cover.

[00:17:30] I know sometimes, you know, Collins and – I mean, she's in a state where it's amazing that there's a Republican senator.

[00:17:38] And so sometimes she's – if she votes the wrong way and it doesn't hurt, then, you know, she's done what she needs to do politically.

[00:17:45] So that's sometimes the game that's played.

[00:17:48] And so having that number is really important.

[00:17:51] I want to ask a question about the Senate.

[00:17:52] And since you know a little bit about the Keystone State, this idea of David McCormick, first of all, could – wouldn't it have been better if he had ran last time?

[00:18:01] But, of course, they all thought Dr. Oz.

[00:18:04] But, again, David McCormick is going to bring some things that Casey will not.

[00:18:09] And just maybe for our Pennsylvania listeners and for other people, there is kind of a legacy with the Cases.

[00:18:15] Going back to the father and the son, Casey may have been the last pro-life Democrat to have ever spoken at the Democratic Convention.

[00:18:23] So I appreciate sometimes the fact that you – there have been a few Democrats that actually voted pro-life.

[00:18:29] But I think there's going to be much more of an opportunity for Donald Trump and for passing some of the kinds of legislation that we need because of a David McCormick.

[00:18:37] Speak to that, if you may.

[00:18:38] No, I mean to take out Bob Casey Jr. is incredible because the Casey name, as you mentioned, Kirby in Pennsylvania, his father really was a moderate and I almost would say conservative Democrat.

[00:18:55] Certainly on economics would be more traditional labor union Democrat.

[00:19:00] But on social, the father, the father, on social issues, I mean, Bob Casey, there was no light between him and what most – actually, in some respects, he was probably more conservative on social issues than some Republicans.

[00:19:15] Like, for instance, I grew up in a time when Bob Casey was governor and Arlen Spector was U.S. senator.

[00:19:21] Well, I agreed with Bob Casey on social issues.

[00:19:24] Again, Bob Casey Sr. and Arlen Spector on very little issues.

[00:19:29] Very well said.

[00:19:30] And even John Hines, who was the president, was a more moderate Republican and where Bob Casey was sold out on social issues.

[00:19:39] Now, the son, he ran in the legacy of his father, but he started pulling away.

[00:19:46] McCormick taking him out – and again, I mean, I think McCormick would be the first one.

[00:19:50] I mean, it was Donald Trump.

[00:19:51] I mean, that's one where you did have some coattails.

[00:19:54] But McCormick, you know, a former law enforcement guy, U.S. attorney, very strong law and order, who's very, very much part of – will be part of the conservative part of the Republican Party.

[00:20:11] So major pickup in Pennsylvania.

[00:20:14] And, you know, at the end of the day, the most important vote will be he will vote for a Republican Senate majority leader.

[00:20:21] And I assume we'll report – we'll vote for the more conservative for that office.

[00:20:28] And that battle is next week.

[00:20:29] I mean, people don't realize that they're – you know, McConnell is stepping down.

[00:20:35] And so right now it looks like that the battle is between Thune, Cornyn, and Rick Scott.

[00:20:44] And, you know, the last rumors today that had come out was that the Trump folks are kind of aligning behind Rick Scott.

[00:20:54] If Trump gets behind Rick Scott, I would think that Rick Scott wins.

[00:20:58] But we'll have to wait and see.

[00:21:00] A change that would be.

[00:21:02] That's very different.

[00:21:02] That would be almost like having Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House.

[00:21:05] Who would have predicted any of this?

[00:21:06] No.

[00:21:07] So we could have a big shift here.

[00:21:10] And watching next – I mean, it's one of those inside baseball things that maybe people at point of view, they're not going to hear it anywhere else.

[00:21:16] Yeah.

[00:21:16] But who the leader is makes a big difference.

[00:21:18] You control everything in that Senate.

[00:21:20] What gets actually put on the agenda to be voted on and so very important.

[00:21:25] Got more to cover.

[00:21:26] We'll do that right after this.

[00:21:30] It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] They say men can be women and women men.

[00:21:39] People are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics.

[00:21:44] Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens.

[00:21:49] It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:52] You feel like giving up.

[00:21:54] But we can't.

[00:21:55] We shouldn't.

[00:21:56] We must not.

[00:21:57] As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II,

[00:22:02] Never give in.

[00:22:03] Never give in.

[00:22:04] Never, never, never.

[00:22:06] Never yield to force.

[00:22:08] Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again in studio with us, Kelly Shackelford and Jeff Mateer.

[00:23:16] A couple of articles I want to point you to.

[00:23:17] First of all, one by our friend Mark Davis.

[00:23:20] He's been on the program with us before.

[00:23:22] He's a talk show host.

[00:23:23] And, matter of fact, everybody around the table has been on his program at one time or another.

[00:23:27] Wrote this piece.

[00:23:28] Actually appeared in the Fort Worth Dollar Telegram, but it went some other places.

[00:23:31] And what he's saying is, don't panic, Democrats.

[00:23:34] There's a few things that you might really like about Donald Trump's second term.

[00:23:39] But to understand why he says that, you maybe need to look at the next piece that we've also posted by Miranda Devine, who reminds us.

[00:23:47] And sometimes, as Kelly says, we forget all of these.

[00:23:50] Like we forget all the things that Trump did in terms of religious liberty.

[00:23:53] We forget all the things that were done to Donald Trump.

[00:23:56] I'll give you the short list here.

[00:23:57] They spied on him.

[00:23:58] They faked the Russian gate smear.

[00:24:00] They sicked the CIA and the FBI.

[00:24:02] And they impeached him.

[00:24:03] They indicted him.

[00:24:04] They arrested him.

[00:24:05] They called him a Nazi racist.

[00:24:06] He almost got assassinated twice.

[00:24:08] They raided his floor at home Mar-a-Lago.

[00:24:11] Sent in goons to rifle through his wife's underwear drawer.

[00:24:14] All the stuff he goes through there.

[00:24:16] And on and on and on.

[00:24:17] And then, of course, he goes into the things that probably didn't help the Democrats.

[00:24:22] Obama told black men they were sexist.

[00:24:24] Women were encouraged to lie to their husbands and vote for Kamala Harris.

[00:24:27] And it goes through this long, long list.

[00:24:28] And then talks about what might happen in the future.

[00:24:32] But what Mark Davis says is,

[00:24:34] My offer is good news to assure Democrats that many of the horrific things that your side said about Donald Trump are just staggeringly false.

[00:24:43] The horrors you were told to expect by the media outlets and candidates will not come to pass.

[00:24:48] Trump is not, in fact, Hitler.

[00:24:49] There will be no dictatorship, even on day one.

[00:24:53] Democracy is not in danger.

[00:24:55] It never has been.

[00:24:55] And then goes through all of these lies.

[00:24:57] But the other day, and this is starting to make the rounds, an interview with Mark Halperin.

[00:25:02] You might remember him as the one that first kind of let people know that Biden was going to eventually be encouraged to step down.

[00:25:10] Mark Halperin said something that shocked me.

[00:25:12] And I think I sent it around to you guys, too.

[00:25:14] In his interview with Tucker Carlson said, if Trump is elected, and it looks like he is now elected,

[00:25:19] that he thinks this could be the beginning of the greatest mental health crisis in America.

[00:25:25] Now, he's not a person given to hyperbole.

[00:25:28] But if you go out, and I don't recommend it for the faint-hearted out on, like, TikTok and some of the Twitter feeds and some of this,

[00:25:38] I mean, these are people that are convinced that there are going to be cages built for individuals,

[00:25:44] that they're going to be running through the streets, grabbing people off the streets and deporting them without any sense of justice,

[00:25:52] that there is a Justice Department that is going to be used to sick on other people.

[00:25:56] And, of course, you might remember during the Democratic Convention there was a fear by this one state senator in Michigan

[00:26:03] that, you know, Donald Trump might actually use the Justice Department against his opponents.

[00:26:08] And we all joke and said, I think you have missed the memo here.

[00:26:12] It's already happening the other way around.

[00:26:14] But there are people that are literally, if they believe all these lies about Donald Trump,

[00:26:20] and certainly he said some things to cause people to want to roll their eyes,

[00:26:23] but most of these things, this list that Mark Davis gives us, or even the list that Miranda Devine gives us,

[00:26:30] is one that is something that needs to be clarified.

[00:26:32] Otherwise, we are going to have a mental health crisis.

[00:26:35] That's right, we're going.

[00:26:36] Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of just ridiculous things.

[00:26:39] Again, people didn't buy these things because President Trump had been president for four years.

[00:26:45] But people that even said this to their own children and creating, you see a lot of these young girls,

[00:26:52] you know, traumatic over crazy stuff that's never going to happen that, you know, that they were told.

[00:26:59] I mean, one of them is that Trump was going to put people in internment camps, you know?

[00:27:04] You're like, where in the world?

[00:27:06] I mean, it's just insane what they, you know, sort of traumatized themselves into.

[00:27:14] And it's not, I mean, that stuff is not going to happen.

[00:27:18] I think that, you know, this sort of panicky call the other people names, it's really funny.

[00:27:25] I said last time I was on with you, Kirby, when they were just starting,

[00:27:29] Kamala was just starting to call him a Nazi and these different things at the end.

[00:27:34] I said, you know, the one thing she had over Trump is that Trump would personally attack people and call them names.

[00:27:41] Well, she just gave that one up.

[00:27:44] I don't think America likes that.

[00:27:46] It doesn't help anybody.

[00:27:48] You know, it's destructive to your own side.

[00:27:52] And it just showed the whole thing about it.

[00:27:55] It's like they were in a bubble on the other side.

[00:27:58] And they just whipped each other up into a frenzy.

[00:28:01] And now they're, you know, of course, it's always fascinating to me, you know, Biden, President Biden, you know,

[00:28:09] called Trump and those people, you know, garbage and Nazis and these things.

[00:28:15] And then he's calling them on the phone and congratulating them.

[00:28:20] They're going to have lunch together tomorrow.

[00:28:21] You wouldn't have lunch with Hitler or Mussolini, would you?

[00:28:24] And yet, I mean, so it shows that they really didn't believe what they were saying.

[00:28:30] Sadly, people out in the world do.

[00:28:32] That's the problem.

[00:28:33] People buy this.

[00:28:34] They don't understand.

[00:28:36] And I do appreciate what Biden's doing because that is what we should do.

[00:28:41] That's the way we should act.

[00:28:42] I don't necessarily think Kamala took advantage of her opportunity to go that far.

[00:28:48] And in her speech, it was more fight, fight, fight.

[00:28:50] We're going to continue on to fight for our issues.

[00:28:53] I think there's a graciousness and that often we don't see from Trump that that is expected of our leaders when we transfer power.

[00:29:02] And so in this case, I think Biden is doing it in the right way.

[00:29:07] I remember, you know, different administrations like doing things to sabotage the machinery before the next people get in.

[00:29:15] That's what the Clinton group did.

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:16] I, you know, I really, I wish that we would actually create laws to make that a crime.

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:22] Because I think that's the kind of thing that Americans don't appreciate.

[00:29:25] Yeah, I think it goes back to the point you made earlier on the show about authenticity.

[00:29:29] I mean, they made, I mean, the Harris campaign and before that, the Biden campaign made these.

[00:29:36] I mean, the theme was because they couldn't run on their record.

[00:29:39] So what are we going to do?

[00:29:40] We're going to run against Donald Trump.

[00:29:43] And what did we hear over and over again?

[00:29:46] Threat to democracy.

[00:29:47] He's a threat democracy.

[00:29:49] I mean, the world's going to end if Donald Trump is put back into power.

[00:29:54] He's going to become a dictator.

[00:29:55] He's going to go after media companies and shut down.

[00:29:59] I mean, all these things they've said.

[00:30:01] Well, they didn't mean that.

[00:30:03] And when we knew that, I mean, we sit there and say, well, we know the president doesn't have that type of power.

[00:30:07] He's not a threat to democracy.

[00:30:10] But a lot of people in the Democratic base, I mean, they believed it.

[00:30:14] And so what happened this past week is, oh, my word, democracy is ending because Donald Trump has been elected.

[00:30:21] And so you have Halpern's comments.

[00:30:23] Well, yeah, people are panicked because they bought the line.

[00:30:29] But most of America knew that that was an unethetic tax.

[00:30:34] And so I think they've created this problem.

[00:30:38] And that's what happens when you fear monger.

[00:30:41] And it's not true.

[00:30:43] You are the child who's out there screaming, screaming, screaming and crying wolf.

[00:30:51] Crying wolf.

[00:30:51] Crying wolf.

[00:30:53] And now, I mean, and there is no wolf.

[00:30:57] And you've got to try to explain to people there's not a wolf.

[00:30:59] So I thought one of the best speeches I heard was Trump's victory speech.

[00:31:06] I think it was, I mean, I thought it was authentic.

[00:31:09] We do have a link to it in case people would like to see it.

[00:31:11] I thought it, he was gracious.

[00:31:14] It's every, I mean, I was, I mean, extremely pleased.

[00:31:18] And I'm glad to hear that Biden's invited him to the White House.

[00:31:23] I think that's great.

[00:31:25] And that's how our country, that's how we should transition power.

[00:31:30] Let me just real quickly talk about the people that are called garbage.

[00:31:34] Because in this piece, Miranda Devine reminds us that he put together a coalition,

[00:31:39] working class people, blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Jews, young people, and the Amish.

[00:31:46] I want to ask my guy from Pennsylvania again.

[00:31:50] Did you ever think that you would see the horse and buggies coming down the road with Trump flags out of them?

[00:31:57] Because a lot of them are being registered for the very first time.

[00:32:01] Yeah, I mean, having grown up in a community that's right next door to an Amish community,

[00:32:07] I still don't understand it, quite frankly.

[00:32:11] Because, I mean, I have relatives who are Mennonite and who work very, very closely with the Amish.

[00:32:18] And, I mean, I don't know what to say.

[00:32:22] I mean, I'm just flabbergasted.

[00:32:23] And I actually was talking to some of my relatives.

[00:32:26] I was like, do you think that's true?

[00:32:28] And they said, yeah, I mean, you're seeing it.

[00:32:30] You're seeing it.

[00:32:31] I mean, literally on a buggy.

[00:32:32] I mean, it wasn't just staged.

[00:32:34] I mean, it's literally a Trump Vance sign on buggies.

[00:32:39] And normally the Amish don't participate.

[00:32:41] No, no.

[00:32:42] Almost 100,000.

[00:32:43] I think it was 100,000 registered to vote for the very first time.

[00:32:47] But, like most working class people, I mean, the economy has impacted so many of them.

[00:32:54] And I think the other issue we haven't talked about is immigration.

[00:32:57] Immigration was a big issue in Pennsylvania because, I mean, illegal immigrants are in Pennsylvania as well.

[00:33:05] And so that became a major issue, inflation, immigration.

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:09] Well, it was in Ohio, too, and Colorado and a few other places, certainly Chicago and New York and the rest.

[00:33:15] Well, we've got to take a break.

[00:33:16] When we come back, just want to get into a couple other issues that I thought would be appropriate.

[00:33:20] But most importantly, let me just mention this will be something else we can get into along with immigration.

[00:33:25] We'll be able to let you listen to the piece by Pena Dexter about the decision by the Washington Post not to endorse.

[00:33:34] And when all of a sudden these particular news organizations that have always endorsed the Democratic candidate don't endorse, what does that mean?

[00:33:43] We'll see where that goes right after this.

[00:33:54] Election Day was almost upon us.

[00:33:56] The editorial endorsing Kamala Harris had already been written when William Lewis, CEO and publisher of the Washington Post, announced the paper would not be endorsing a presidential candidate, ending a 50-year tradition of doing so.

[00:34:09] Immediately after the announcement, the Post began bleeding subscribers, 250,000 of them within four days.

[00:34:16] Several staff members resigned in protest.

[00:34:18] Longtime opinion writer Ruth Marcus titled her column, The Post, The Wrong Choice at the Worst Possible Time.

[00:34:24] Owner Jeff Bezos wrote his own column explaining that the Post can no longer ignore polling that reveals falling public trust in journalists and the media.

[00:34:33] What presidential endorsements do, he wrote, is create a perception of bias.

[00:34:37] He said ending them is a principled decision.

[00:34:40] Other newspapers, the LA Times and USA Today, took the same action, citing awareness of their own lack of credibility.

[00:34:48] The Washington Post is not profitable and is becoming less so.

[00:34:51] Subscribers are turning to smaller independent news outlets and social media.

[00:34:55] But to do good investigative reporting, a news organization needs a large infrastructure.

[00:35:00] Covering the U.S. government takes a huge staff.

[00:35:03] Post has these things.

[00:35:04] But, Mr. Bezos wrote, his paper and the New York Times talk only to a certain elite, and increasingly, only to themselves.

[00:35:11] It would be good to have a centrist, D.C.-based paper.

[00:35:14] If the Washington Post took serious steps away from its role as purveyor of leftist propaganda, it would be better for all of us.

[00:35:22] Mr. Bezos also reportedly told the Post's management it needs to hire more conservative columnists.

[00:35:28] Radio host Eric Erickson suggested that if Jeff Bezos is serious about creating a balance,

[00:35:33] the paper should also add conservative editors and reporters to break the left-wing worldview infused into the news product they produce.

[00:35:41] It would take deep structural and ideological shifts for the Washington Post to shed its reputation for extreme bias.

[00:35:48] For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:54] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] Hey, for a few more minutes, Penna Dexter not here today, but of course we always play her commentary at this hour.

[00:36:05] And you can, of course, find it on the website because it's all about the fact that the CEO and publisher of the Washington Post,

[00:36:12] William Lewis, announced that they would not be endorsing a presidential candidate.

[00:36:16] As you might expect, a number of staff members resigned in protest,

[00:36:20] but then it got from bad to worse for at least some of the liberals because the owner of the Washington Post,

[00:36:26] that'd be Jeff Bezos, you know who he is, right?

[00:36:28] He wrote a column in which he said,

[00:36:31] what presidential endorsements do is create a perception of bias, you think?

[00:36:36] And then ending them as a principal decision.

[00:36:39] And other newspapers, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, took the same action.

[00:36:43] And for those of us that have been around for a while,

[00:36:45] it's almost been assumed that the Washington Post, the New York Times, and a variety of others,

[00:36:51] probably the L.A. Times, would always endorse the Democratic candidate no matter who he or she was.

[00:36:57] Not this time.

[00:36:58] And it's reminiscent of the piece that I posted just yesterday in which we talked about an interview I did a long time ago

[00:37:05] with Bernard Goldberg in his book called Bias, in which he reminded us at the time,

[00:37:11] and I don't think the numbers are any better, that of all the working journalists,

[00:37:14] only 4% identify themselves as Republican,

[00:37:17] that they are less likely than the average public to be married, to have children, to own a house,

[00:37:23] to go to church, to go to synagogue.

[00:37:25] As a matter of fact, when they asked journalists whether they belonged to something like American Legion,

[00:37:30] Lions Club, Rotary Club, the answer was zero.

[00:37:34] These are people covering the press that are so different than the rest of us.

[00:37:39] And, Kelly, you know this.

[00:37:40] When you go on Fox News, you have the possibility that somebody might at least understand your facts and figures

[00:37:47] and those kinds of things.

[00:37:48] When you go on MSNBC or CNN or some of the other outlets,

[00:37:52] you're not even sure they even understand the issue.

[00:37:55] Yeah, it's, they're, you know,

[00:37:57] I've always thought that if media companies wanted to be what they should be,

[00:38:05] which is unbiased, and everybody has their own level of bias,

[00:38:09] but I mean as an organization, it really isn't that hard.

[00:38:13] Part of their application would be people's beliefs.

[00:38:19] And they would make sure and have an equal number of, you know, conservatives, liberals, people in the middle.

[00:38:27] Then they would have all perspectives as they're doing their article.

[00:38:31] But nobody does that.

[00:38:32] And, you know, it's like you want people that are good writers and all that,

[00:38:36] but you should, there's plenty of people in this country where you can make sure you don't have,

[00:38:40] you know, the level of bias.

[00:38:42] Or at least if you do something, it's, you at least heard the other side and you,

[00:38:46] and they don't do that.

[00:38:47] And it's fascinating to me.

[00:38:49] You know, instead what we've created is sort of a liberal media, a conservative media,

[00:38:54] and I think people would really like one that's just actually fair and has both sides.

[00:38:59] You know, and we're all around the same age.

[00:39:02] Maybe Kirby's a little older, but Kelly and I are similar age.

[00:39:06] But my favorite show, my family used to make fun of me,

[00:39:09] but my favorite show growing up was, and I'm going to forget the name,

[00:39:13] but you're going to know it, Happy Cannon.

[00:39:14] Happy Cannon.

[00:39:15] Happy Cannon.

[00:39:16] Which, I mean, I love that show.

[00:39:19] Or Hannity and Combs or something like that.

[00:39:21] Yeah, or Hannity.

[00:39:22] I mean, Crossfire was probably the one of the best.

[00:39:24] Crossfire with Pat Buchanan and.

[00:39:26] And then later, Trump, Tucker Carlson was on there.

[00:39:30] Tucker, Tucker.

[00:39:31] But to me, and that's where you got the two different viewpoints.

[00:39:33] And you let people, you know, you let people.

[00:39:36] And so, you know, it seems to me it's such an easy solution, but it's too easy, I guess.

[00:39:42] Yeah.

[00:39:43] No one wants to do it.

[00:39:44] I mean, the other, the other one, I mean, it also showed how much failing the Harris campaign,

[00:39:49] the fact that the Post, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, I mean, they knew.

[00:39:57] They knew.

[00:39:59] They knew the ship was sinking.

[00:40:01] That's right.

[00:40:02] That they wouldn't wait.

[00:40:04] And just the interview.

[00:40:05] I mean, you know, this whole strategy of not doing interviews and then when you get an interview,

[00:40:11] just refused to answer the question, it's just not a good, it's not a good way to run a campaign.

[00:40:18] You know, I never totally understood it.

[00:40:21] I think that the idea was, okay, we've got all this excitement and vibe and all this.

[00:40:30] And if we just don't make a mistake, then we're just going to win.

[00:40:36] And so you, it's fascinating the difference in risk culture.

[00:40:41] Yes.

[00:40:42] You had Trump who was all over the place doing everything.

[00:40:46] Again, it's authenticity too, right?

[00:40:49] Which is really important.

[00:40:50] Never knew what he was going to say.

[00:40:50] But the other side was like, we are not going to let you say anything, do anything.

[00:40:56] And, you know, when you run for president, you have to put yourself out there.

[00:41:01] And that's, and so I think that contributed.

[00:41:03] I mean, if you don't, if you won't do interviews and you won't answer questions,

[00:41:08] the media is going to, even the very biased media is going to go, well, you know, maybe we should just.

[00:41:13] So I think that impacted it as well.

[00:41:16] But it was one of the most unusual for so many reasons, not just because she never won anything

[00:41:22] and then she was put in that position, which I think was a very difficult position.

[00:41:25] They picked the person that did probably the worst in their primary in 2019, 2020.

[00:41:33] You know, they, that was weird.

[00:41:35] But then they did this approach that was just, I think they knew that if she ran as who she is,

[00:41:42] a San Francisco liberal, she was the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate.

[00:41:46] Okay.

[00:41:48] And if they'd run on that, they realized they'd have lost.

[00:41:50] So the idea was just don't talk.

[00:41:53] Yeah.

[00:41:53] And, and that's the weirdest presidential campaign I've ever watched.

[00:41:57] Yes.

[00:41:58] The one thing we haven't talked about today that I just want to briefly, because I do think it,

[00:42:02] in my mind, it was one of the turning points was the failed assassination attempt.

[00:42:07] Who's going to bring that up?

[00:42:08] And, and I really think, I mean, that imagery and, and, and, and just what we saw in Trump.

[00:42:17] And then also, I think, you know, as, as, as, as, as, as a, you know, a Christian and a believer,

[00:42:23] I mean, just hearing his, I mean, you know, hearing him.

[00:42:28] And I mean, is there any, I mean, such what?

[00:42:32] Millimeters?

[00:42:33] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:33] Millimeters.

[00:42:34] He's not here.

[00:42:35] And, and I think he knows that.

[00:42:37] I, and.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:40] He said in his acceptance.

[00:42:42] He did.

[00:42:42] He did.

[00:42:43] And I, you know, it reminds me, of course, of Reagan, you know, after, after the, after

[00:42:47] this session, I mean, knowing that, look, God spared you for a reason.

[00:42:51] Yep.

[00:42:52] And, but to me, that moment was sort of that, that became the turning point.

[00:42:58] Yep.

[00:42:59] And.

[00:43:01] And it was Pennsylvania.

[00:43:02] And it was interesting.

[00:43:04] Of all places.

[00:43:04] It was in Western Pennsylvania.

[00:43:06] That's right.

[00:43:06] And I, I just, I mean, I, again, as, as, as a believer, I just think, I mean, you just

[00:43:11] can't, you know, um, and believing in the sovereignty of God, you cannot believe that

[00:43:17] that was just an accident.

[00:43:19] And to me that, that became the turning point.

[00:43:22] Yes.

[00:43:23] The Miranda divine talks about the fact that blood streaming down his face, raises his

[00:43:28] fist, fight, fight, fight.

[00:43:29] But also she reminds us about turning his mugshot into an epical moment as well.

[00:43:33] That's the thing.

[00:43:34] Branding.

[00:43:35] And I think people skip this, but Trump with all of his issues is a brilliant branding

[00:43:41] strategist.

[00:43:43] Please tell me any political candidate in the country that has an image associated with

[00:43:49] them.

[00:43:50] He's got like five, right?

[00:43:52] He's got the.

[00:43:52] He's reinvented himself.

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:53] The mugshot, the McDonald's picture.

[00:43:56] Right.

[00:43:57] Yeah.

[00:43:58] The garbage truck.

[00:43:59] The garbage truck.

[00:44:00] Right.

[00:44:01] The, uh, I mean, there's just so the fight, fight, fight with the fists in the air.

[00:44:04] No, no politician has any of these.

[00:44:07] And this is with a hostile media, right?

[00:44:10] That is not.

[00:44:10] And yet he has branded.

[00:44:12] You can show anybody any of those pictures and they immediately know what it is, who it

[00:44:17] is.

[00:44:18] That, I mean, there's, there is a brilliance in, in marketing and branding strategy that

[00:44:22] needs to be taught in the schools there.

[00:44:24] I remember Ronald Reagan used to say, I don't see how anybody could be an effective president

[00:44:29] without having been an actor first, you know?

[00:44:31] And there's a sense in which he was a showman.

[00:44:32] Well, we're out of time, but, uh, next week, if you wonder, what are we going to talk about?

[00:44:36] We have Chuck Bentley talking about the fact that Elon Musk says we're headed for bankruptcy.

[00:44:40] Hans Bonn-Spakowski is going to say, do we have some problems with election integrity?

[00:44:45] Yes, we do.

[00:44:46] So we'll talk about that with him.

[00:44:47] And then all through the week, we'll have a millennial round table and all the rest.

[00:44:50] But guys, I want to thank you as well.

[00:44:52] Uh, first article there, first Liberty Institute, sign up for that.

[00:44:55] We've mentioned so many articles.

[00:44:57] I would hope that you might take the time to read some of them.

[00:45:00] But most importantly, I want to thank Megan for help engineering the program.

[00:45:03] Steve, thank you for producing the program.

[00:45:06] Enjoy watching some great football and basketball this weekend.

[00:45:10] We'll be back on Monday.

[00:45:11] We believe there is power in prayer.

[00:45:14] And that is why we have relaunched our Pray for America campaign,

[00:45:19] a series of weekly emails to unite Americans in prayer for our nation.

[00:45:25] Imagine if hundreds of thousands of Americans started praying intentionally together on a weekly basis.

[00:45:33] You can help make that a reality by subscribing to our Pray for America emails.

[00:45:40] Just go to pointofview.net and click on the Pray for America banner that's right there on the homepage.

[00:45:48] Each week you'll receive a brief news update, a specific prayer guide, and a free resource to equip you in further action.

[00:45:58] We encourage you to not only pray with us each week, but to share these prayers and the resources with others in your life.

[00:46:06] Join the movement today.

[00:46:08] Visit pointofview.net and click on the banner Pray for America right there at the top.

[00:46:16] That's pointofview.net.

[00:46:19] Let's pray together for God to make a difference in our land.

[00:46:26] Point of View is produced by Point of View Ministries.