Point of View November 6, 2024 – Hour 2 : The 2024 Election Results

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Second hour today we're going to get into this whole issue of voter fraud and also the issue of the misinformation about the so-called rising or falling crime rate, which we've talked about before.

[00:00:31] So often I've quoted from John Lott in that regard. We'll get to that in just a minute.

[00:00:36] But one of the reasons we wanted to cover this today and then we'll get into it in a lot more detail on Monday with Hans von Spakowski, who was the head of the Federal Elections Commission in the past,

[00:00:47] is that this may be a very good and opportune time to once again rethink how we actually conduct these elections in the various states.

[00:00:58] After 2020 there were some attempts in Texas and Georgia and other places to bring about some voter integrity.

[00:01:05] Those have been countered by saying, well, this is voter suppression. It's not.

[00:01:10] And also being sometimes lumped with people that were actually trying to change the election.

[00:01:16] And so there was not maybe a willingness to look at the fact that we live in a modern society.

[00:01:23] We should be able to make sure that your vote is accurate.

[00:01:28] It is counted that other people do not use your vote.

[00:01:32] The dead people don't vote and all sorts of other misinformation that takes place.

[00:01:37] And so as a result, we wanted to try to cover a little of that today.

[00:01:41] And of course, I also want to talk with, of course, our friend John Lott about some of the misinformation about the crime rate.

[00:01:48] But again, if you're not familiar, Dr. John Lott is an economist, a world-recognized expert on everything from guns to crime.

[00:01:55] As an individual that is taught at University of Chicago, Yale University, Wharton School there,

[00:02:01] the University of Pennsylvania, Stanford University, and others.

[00:02:04] Holds a Ph.D. in economics from UCLA.

[00:02:07] Probably best known for some of the books on guns, More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns.

[00:02:12] But another book that I've always appreciated by him, Freedomnomics, as well as now we've talked with him also about some of his more recent books,

[00:02:20] Dumbing Down the Courts, How Politics Keep the Smartest Judges Off the Bench, and Gun Control Myths.

[00:02:26] And John Lott, welcome back to Point of View.

[00:02:29] Oh, thanks very much for having me on.

[00:02:31] I've actually done a fair amount of work on voting rules across other countries, just before we get into the main thing.

[00:02:38] I would love to.

[00:02:39] You know, it's just what an outlier the United States is in terms of its rules.

[00:02:44] You look at Europe, for example.

[00:02:45] There are 47 countries in Europe.

[00:02:48] Forty-six and a half of them require government-issued photo IDs to be able to go and vote.

[00:02:54] With regard to absentee ballots, not even the mail-in ballots that we have in some parts of the country,

[00:03:00] 35 of the 47 countries ban absentee ballots for people living in the country.

[00:03:07] And allow them.

[00:03:09] But they will not send them to you in the mail.

[00:03:12] You have to go in person and show a government-issued photo ID for them to give it to you.

[00:03:19] And even then, for six of those ten, it's limited to people who are in the military or who will be in the hospital for the day of the election.

[00:03:29] And they just won't even take your word for it.

[00:03:31] You have to have third-party verification to go and show it.

[00:03:35] And for things like our ballot boxes that we leave out, there's no country in the world that doesn't have strict chain of custody regulations with regard to ballot boxes.

[00:03:46] The notion of leaving a ballot box out at 2 a.m. in the morning being completely unguarded is something that no other country would even think about having.

[00:03:58] But, you know, even compare us to our neighbors.

[00:04:02] Mexico has banned absentee ballots for people living in the country up until for a couple decades they've banned it even for people living outside the country.

[00:04:14] They have government-issued photo IDs as well as thumbprints on the ID and other biometric information that's there.

[00:04:24] Canada requires government-issued photo IDs for people to be able to go and vote.

[00:04:29] And countries have not only voter IDs, but some countries also put things like indelible ink on people's fingers in Europe to make sure that there are other things there.

[00:04:44] And many of these countries used to have rules similar to the lax rules that we have in the United States for things like absentee ballots.

[00:04:52] But they discovered fraud and vote buying.

[00:04:56] And one last thing quickly, most people don't know the history of voting in the United States.

[00:05:02] Things like secret ballots are relatively recent.

[00:05:05] We did the first state to have secret ballots was Kentucky in 1880.

[00:05:10] The last state to move to secret ballots was South Carolina in 1950.

[00:05:15] And one of the major reasons they moved to secret ballots was vote buying.

[00:05:19] What used to happen is you'd have a ballot box up in the front of a room,

[00:05:24] and people would come and drop in different colored pieces of paper depending upon which party they were voting for.

[00:05:31] And the representatives for the parties would stand on either side of the ballot box,

[00:05:36] and then they would pay you based on how you voted because they could see what party you voted for.

[00:05:43] And when states moved to secret ballots, and so they couldn't verify how you had voted,

[00:05:52] there was about a 10 percentage point drop in the voter turnout rate because a number of people didn't want to vote if they weren't going to get paid for.

[00:06:02] And it's the reason why we had many of the rules that we had.

[00:06:06] So many states banned absentee ballots.

[00:06:09] States that allowed them had anti-vote harvesting type rules because with absentee ballots,

[00:06:17] you could show somebody how you were going to vote.

[00:06:21] And if you had ballot harvesting where somebody could be given the ballots and they would turn it in for you,

[00:06:27] they'd be more likely to pay you because not only did they know how you had filled it out,

[00:06:34] but they were sure that the ballot had actually been voted.

[00:06:37] And what's happened over time is people forget the reason why we had a lot of these rules that were put in place.

[00:06:45] And again, I might just mention we've posted your article that comes from crimeresearch.org,

[00:06:51] in which you point out that almost 6 out of 10 likely voters think that vote by mail makes cheating easier.

[00:06:59] And, John Lotz, you know that there are a fair number of states where that is exactly the way in which people are voting,

[00:07:04] and you have no guarantee that when that is mailed in that the person that filled it out is the one that actually is being sent

[00:07:13] or that someone else helped them fill it out or they got someone else's ballot and sent them in.

[00:07:18] So there's a great possibility for cheating, isn't there?

[00:07:22] Yeah, sure.

[00:07:23] And there's cheating both in terms of taking somebody's vote away but also cheating in terms of paying people for how they vote.

[00:07:35] But, you know, so there are lots of problems.

[00:07:37] There are other problems in terms of not properly checking whether somebody may be a U.S. citizen or not.

[00:07:43] We have states in the United States like Ohio which have complained that the Biden administration will not let them have access

[00:07:50] to the proper data rolls to be able to go and check whether or not somebody is a U.S. citizen or not.

[00:07:58] You had the Biden administration sue Virginia when they were trying to take people who had self-identified as not being U.S. citizens off the voter registration rules.

[00:08:11] You know, so when you have people who vote improperly, they essentially nullify the votes of people who should have been able to vote.

[00:08:22] Very true.

[00:08:23] Let's take a break and we'll come back.

[00:08:24] Of course, we have talked about that one in Virginia which, of course, ruled the other way eventually from the Supreme Court.

[00:08:30] But I'm going to get into a couple of other issues related to this.

[00:08:33] And if you are interested in the good work that is being done by John Lott on everything from guns, crime, or even in this case, voting, crimeresearch.org.

[00:08:42] We have a link to that and it's right next to his picture on our website, pointofview.net.

[00:08:47] We'll be right back.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] You know, many colleges and universities have speech codes and other policies that narrow the realm of permissible speech.

[00:09:10] And what started on a campus has made its way to the broader society.

[00:09:13] You know, this was a topic on my radio program when one day I was interviewing the president of a Christian college.

[00:09:19] And the next day I was interviewing Nadine Strassen, former president of the ACLU.

[00:09:23] Both were against the suppression of speech even though they come from very different political perspectives.

[00:09:29] Now, Erwin Lutzer in his new book, No Reason to Hide, devotes part of a chapter to how words and policies suppress speech.

[00:09:36] He believes that word control will lead to thought control.

[00:09:40] It puts parameters around what people can say.

[00:09:42] So one university posted a list of offensive words.

[00:09:46] Students and faculty must stop using words and phrases like picnic, trigger warning, or even rule of thumb.

[00:09:53] And then there are other words that have been flagged in society.

[00:09:56] These include such things as freshman, victim, survivor, addict, disabled person, policeman, and many others.

[00:10:04] I believe we should be sensitive to words that could be harmful to another person.

[00:10:08] But I also agree with Erwin Lutzer that PETA, the people for the ethical treatment of animals,

[00:10:12] goes too far when it wants baseball to ban the word bullpen out of a consideration for the bovine species.

[00:10:18] Word suppression leads to verbal suppression and self-censorship.

[00:10:22] One survey discovered that nearly two-thirds of Americans said that the political climate today keeps them from expressing their beliefs,

[00:10:28] and an even higher percentage of conservatives felt compelled to keep their beliefs to themselves.

[00:10:32] We should support free speech and criticize attempts to suppress speech through speech codes or social intimidation.

[00:10:40] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:47] Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net.

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[00:11:03] Continue our conversation with John Lott again.

[00:11:04] If you'd like to know more about his organization, we, of course, have posted one of the articles,

[00:11:09] a survey which reminds us that most of you, most likely voters, think that vote-by-mail is not a good idea.

[00:11:16] And, John, you were just talking about, of course, what is happening in other countries.

[00:11:20] And last night during the election, I was, of course, downloading various articles from X, known as Twitter,

[00:11:27] and I was showing to my family this list that somebody created of all the European nations that require the idea of a voter ID.

[00:11:35] And at a time the next day when we're hearing, for example, Stacey Abrams in Georgia saying that the reason Donald Trump won Georgia is because of voter suppression

[00:11:47] or the reason that Joy Reid says that Senator Ted Cruz won in Texas is due to voter suppression.

[00:11:56] We live in a world where just even asking for a voter ID is seen as voter suppression,

[00:12:04] yet you cannot live in this world without having a photo ID to get on an airplane, go into a government building, buy alcohol, even drive a car.

[00:12:15] And so in some respects we're just always going to hear this claim about voter suppression.

[00:12:20] Even at a time, I think in Georgia, they had record turnout.

[00:12:23] Still we're hearing this phrase, voter suppression.

[00:12:26] And that's just something I think we'll always just have to live with because there are some that just simply don't want to use the phrase that you and I have used.

[00:12:34] We want to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.

[00:12:37] What are your thoughts?

[00:12:39] Well, I mean, in Georgia, what's upset them is that on things like absentee ballots,

[00:12:44] people have to put down the last four digits of their Social Security number.

[00:12:48] Right.

[00:12:49] Everybody who's a citizen has a Social Security card.

[00:12:53] Even lots of people who aren't citizens have Social Security cards.

[00:12:58] So, you know, it's hard to think of why that should be a barrier or considered to be a barrier.

[00:13:05] Even if you don't have a driver's license, people have Social Security cards that are there.

[00:13:11] But, you know, you look across the world and the rest of the world requires government-issued photo IDs to be able to go and vote.

[00:13:21] And the thing is, they've learned the lessons the hard way.

[00:13:23] You look at a place like Northern Ireland.

[00:13:27] Margaret Thatcher was the first one to require IDs to be able to go and vote there.

[00:13:34] But then when labor took over and Tony Blair's government was running things, they believed that there was still a lot of fraud occurring there.

[00:13:44] So they made it so you had to have government-issued photo IDs that were tamper-proof.

[00:13:51] And it turns out years later, there was Sinn Féin, for example, after the statute of limitations had run out.

[00:13:59] There was some academics who did some research on this, and they interviewed people in Sinn Féin, and they were talking about the massive fraud that they had.

[00:14:09] They would have printing shops to put out fake IDs.

[00:14:13] They would have taxis that would go and ferry people from one voting booth to another.

[00:14:19] And when labor instituted the stricter ID requirements that were there, there was about a 10 percentage point drop in the voter registration rolls that were there.

[00:14:30] Because it turns out labor was right that these were not real people that were voting.

[00:14:36] And that takes away votes from real people that are there.

[00:14:40] But, you know, it's interesting in the rest of Europe how you have this agreement across the political spectrum.

[00:14:49] In Mexico, prior to 1992, there was rampant vote fraud that was occurring.

[00:14:57] It was so outrageous that they finally changed it, instituted the government-issued photo ID with thumbprints that would be checked there,

[00:15:06] banned all absentee ballots that were there.

[00:15:10] And, but now there's an agreement across all the political parties in Mexico about you have to have rules like that,

[00:15:19] because they know that there was massive cheating that was occurring there.

[00:15:24] And, you know, it's hard to believe that anybody really thinks that with all these countries, poorer countries,

[00:15:31] countries that are much poorer than the United States, that, you know, you go through South America.

[00:15:36] Well, the countries in South America require government-issued photo IDs for people to be able to go and vote.

[00:15:43] And the thing is, in the United States, even the states that require that you have to have a photo ID to be able to go and vote,

[00:15:52] if you can't afford one, it will be provided free.

[00:15:56] Right.

[00:15:56] And if you can't even get into the place to be able to go and get it, they will send people to your home to be able to go and put an ID together for you.

[00:16:05] So it's pretty hard to figure out exactly where the barrier comes in.

[00:16:11] Yes.

[00:16:12] I wanted to maybe bring two different areas of expertise.

[00:16:15] One, you talk about crime.

[00:16:17] And two, of course, you talk about the voting issue.

[00:16:19] Because the other day I showed a picture of a police car next to one of those drop-off boxes for voting,

[00:16:27] because there have been some of those boxes that have been firebombed.

[00:16:30] And then I've got in front of me here several polling locations in Georgia last night were evacuated due to bomb threats to Cobb County, for example.

[00:16:39] And there were multiple precincts, multiple places where people just called in a bomb threat.

[00:16:45] And so, again, that is election interference.

[00:16:48] And I think there's, if you will, a sad overlap between crime and voting, isn't there?

[00:16:56] Sure.

[00:16:57] I mean, there's a reason why other countries don't leave ballot boxes unattended,

[00:17:03] why they have strict chain of custody type regulations.

[00:17:06] You can have things like different people putting in ballots into the ballot box to destroying the ballots that are there.

[00:17:15] I mean, if you know a particular precinct or area is heavily one party or the other,

[00:17:21] there's an incentive to go and destroy the ballots.

[00:17:24] You know, so they have people.

[00:17:27] They don't know who put the ballots in the ballot box if they're burnt to a crisp that's there.

[00:17:32] And so you've destroyed their votes.

[00:17:35] And, again, we've talked about some of the other individuals that have tried to vote twice or vote for a dead person and all of that.

[00:17:41] And so I think that we have a window here of time after the election to maybe begin to implement some more of these voter integrity laws.

[00:17:51] And this time maybe it will be a little easier because you won't be dismissed as somebody trying to change the vote.

[00:17:57] But it is certainly something that is necessary.

[00:18:00] And if somebody is working right now in their state to maybe implement some of these voter integrity laws,

[00:18:07] is it possible they can call upon some of the work that you're doing there at Crime Research?

[00:18:12] Oh, sure. I'd be happy to help in any way.

[00:18:15] You know, all I can say is we've really nudged a bullet with this election because Chuck Schumer had threatened to get or promised to get rid of the filibuster.

[00:18:25] Yes. And among the bills that he was going to be putting forward once they got rid of the filibuster,

[00:18:31] even if they just had 50 seats in the Senate, if, you know, they had just lost only West Virginia, let's say,

[00:18:38] and Kamala Harris had won and they had taken the House, they would have done things like ban photo IDs.

[00:18:46] They would have gone and mandated all the states have mail-in voting that's there.

[00:18:54] They would have mandated vote ballot harvesting across the country.

[00:19:00] The fraud would have just been unbelievable that's there.

[00:19:04] And, you know, so I don't know whether we're going to be able to get the types of reforms that you want through

[00:19:11] because Republicans aren't going to get rid of the filibuster.

[00:19:15] And Democrats are going to be uniformed just like they were before, you know,

[00:19:22] in terms of wanting to have no photo IDs, wanting to have, you know, mail-in ballots and vote harvesting.

[00:19:34] So the types of reforms that you're talking about wanting to have are ones that I'd be surprised if you can pick up even one vote

[00:19:41] among the Democrats in the Senate.

[00:19:43] And you've got to have, you're going to have to have, it looks like, seven of them in order to be able to break the filibuster.

[00:19:53] Yep.

[00:19:53] But at least you can do some of that at the statewide level, and that's happened in Georgia.

[00:19:56] It happened in Texas and the rest.

[00:19:58] Well, I appreciate the good work that you're doing.

[00:20:00] And certainly I might also just mention in passing that when we saw all the misinformation about crime statistics on numerous occasions,

[00:20:08] I quoted the work that you did, pointing out that, for example, the National Crime Victimization Survey is very different than the FBI survey.

[00:20:16] And I think we're finally getting some information out.

[00:20:19] But let me just commend to our listeners that if you would like to get some good facts and figures about guns, about crimes,

[00:20:25] or in this case about voting, you can certainly go to the article we've posted

[00:20:29] or the link that we've promoted for you there at crimeresearch.org.

[00:20:33] And, John Lott, I've always appreciated the good work you're doing and look forward to the next opportunity.

[00:20:39] Well, thank you for being there.

[00:20:41] I appreciate you having me on again.

[00:20:42] Thank you.

[00:20:43] We're going to take a break.

[00:20:44] And when we come back, let me just maybe get into a few of these other issues.

[00:20:48] This, for our Georgia listeners, was a little bit disturbing because when you start thinking about somebody can call in a bomb threat,

[00:20:55] and then all of a sudden, all of the precincts where the voting is taking place is evacuated

[00:21:04] because then they have to perform bomb sweeps.

[00:21:08] And then you, of course, have what I talked about the other day.

[00:21:11] An individual places their ballot in one of those drop boxes,

[00:21:15] and then someone, homeless person, maybe an activist, maybe Antifa,

[00:21:20] we're going to talk about them in just a minute,

[00:21:22] decides to blow them up and cancels out your vote.

[00:21:26] We're going to need to address this issue.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:12] If you'd like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:23:17] But I thought I might just spend a few more minutes talking about this idea of voter fraud.

[00:23:22] We will come back to it on Monday.

[00:23:24] And part of the reason is that I think we now have a real strategic opportunity

[00:23:30] to bring about some election reform that needs to take place.

[00:23:35] I agree with John Lott.

[00:23:36] Not going to get much through the United States Senate.

[00:23:39] But the bottom line is elections are actually run by the states.

[00:23:43] That's in the Constitution.

[00:23:44] Now, the federal government wanted to have a greater involvement.

[00:23:48] And that first piece of legislation, H.R. 1, was an attempt to try to federalize the elections.

[00:23:54] I think the Supreme Court would have declared that unconstitutional.

[00:23:58] But, again, to just show you some of the pushback we're getting from the various parts of the left,

[00:24:05] some Democrats, even some Republicans and others,

[00:24:08] this other article I've posted in which it has the title,

[00:24:12] Musk spotlights voter fraud claims out in the open, and liberals aren't happy about this.

[00:24:18] Joseph McKinnon says this,

[00:24:20] Leftists are upset that Elon Musk and his American PAC have afforded concerned Americans an opportunity

[00:24:27] to highlight potential fraud.

[00:24:30] There are a number of ways that concerned Americans who suspect or have evidence of voter fraud

[00:24:35] can notify authorities or the general public and seek remedy.

[00:24:39] For instance, this one says in Pennsylvania,

[00:24:42] voters can file complaints with the Pennsylvania Department of State's formal election complaint site.

[00:24:47] They can also submit a report to the Republican National Committee group,

[00:24:52] perfect a vote, and a variety of others.

[00:24:54] In some places where voting machines were malfunctioning,

[00:24:58] isn't that sad?

[00:24:59] Every single time we have malfunctioning voter machines.

[00:25:03] These are things that you would expect to actually work

[00:25:07] and to have been tested so that they wouldn't malfunction.

[00:25:11] But they do.

[00:25:12] He goes on to say,

[00:25:13] in addition to state and local options,

[00:25:16] there's also Elon Musk Election Integrity Community,

[00:25:19] which is a community developed there on X,

[00:25:21] used to be Twitter,

[00:25:22] linked to, again,

[00:25:24] some of the PACs and other information.

[00:25:26] And as early as yesterday afternoon,

[00:25:30] the group had about 63,000 members sharing concerns,

[00:25:36] sharing videos of possible election shenanigans,

[00:25:40] and coordinating pressure for greater transparency.

[00:25:44] And so there has always been this argument

[00:25:47] that when you are trying to develop

[00:25:49] some kind of election integrity format,

[00:25:52] you're trying to actually address a problem

[00:25:56] that does not exist.

[00:25:58] You're looking for a solution for a problem that does not exist.

[00:26:02] Let me just give one very good example.

[00:26:04] This comes from our friends at Project Veritas.

[00:26:07] Project Veritas has the video here.

[00:26:10] It's 11 p.m. in Detroit.

[00:26:13] Okay?

[00:26:13] And why are boxes of ballots

[00:26:16] still arriving to Detroit's Bureau of Elections

[00:26:20] via cars with California license plates?

[00:26:23] It says,

[00:26:24] we're here and we're watching.

[00:26:26] Now, it may be legitimate.

[00:26:28] I have my doubts.

[00:26:29] But it's the kind of thing that you'd want to investigate.

[00:26:33] And sadly,

[00:26:34] we don't seem to have anybody

[00:26:36] that's part of the legacy press

[00:26:38] that wants to investigate this.

[00:26:40] And so often,

[00:26:41] the tendency is to simply wave a hand

[00:26:44] and say,

[00:26:45] well, it doesn't make any difference.

[00:26:47] There's a little bit of limited voter fraud,

[00:26:49] but it didn't affect the outcome.

[00:26:51] And in this case,

[00:26:53] there were actually people

[00:26:55] working with the Trump campaign

[00:26:56] saying,

[00:26:56] let's make sure we win by enough

[00:26:58] that we can't even be affected by cheating.

[00:27:01] I'm not sure how much cheating

[00:27:03] really took place last time

[00:27:04] or even this time,

[00:27:05] but it's sad that you end up

[00:27:07] having to say things like that.

[00:27:10] And yet,

[00:27:10] what do we get?

[00:27:11] Well,

[00:27:12] we get the press that says,

[00:27:13] there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

[00:27:17] Okay.

[00:27:18] What about targeted voter fraud?

[00:27:20] That could be the case.

[00:27:21] And a lot of times,

[00:27:22] they just simply say,

[00:27:23] well,

[00:27:23] we don't worry about it.

[00:27:24] It's not a big deal.

[00:27:25] It's never affected an election.

[00:27:28] First of all,

[00:27:28] yes,

[00:27:29] it has.

[00:27:29] We've got lots of cases.

[00:27:31] We're going to talk about that Monday

[00:27:33] in the database

[00:27:34] that Hans von Spakowski

[00:27:36] has put together,

[00:27:37] which showed that it does have an impact.

[00:27:39] But again,

[00:27:40] my favorite question

[00:27:41] to some of these people

[00:27:42] with all their hand waving

[00:27:43] is simply,

[00:27:44] well,

[00:27:44] if you do believe

[00:27:45] that voter fraud

[00:27:46] is taking place,

[00:27:47] how much voter fraud

[00:27:49] do you think is appropriate?

[00:27:51] That usually is a stumper

[00:27:52] for some of them as well.

[00:27:53] This article by Joseph McKinnon

[00:27:55] he points out that

[00:27:56] leftist academics

[00:27:58] and liberal media

[00:27:59] are in rage

[00:28:00] that Musk

[00:28:01] and other private citizens

[00:28:03] would dare highlight

[00:28:04] possible instances

[00:28:05] of voter fraud

[00:28:07] signaling concerns

[00:28:08] about their potential effectiveness.

[00:28:11] And so then you have

[00:28:12] Wired Magazine

[00:28:13] that has characterized

[00:28:14] the voter integrity group

[00:28:16] as a,

[00:28:17] what,

[00:28:18] cesspool of election

[00:28:19] conspiracy theories.

[00:28:21] And then another group

[00:28:23] with the Center for Business

[00:28:25] and Human Rights

[00:28:26] in New York University

[00:28:27] told the magazine

[00:28:28] it's just election denier jamboree.

[00:28:31] That's not like

[00:28:33] they're taking this

[00:28:33] very seriously.

[00:28:35] The Guardian,

[00:28:35] which is produced,

[00:28:36] of course,

[00:28:37] overseas,

[00:28:38] nevertheless likened

[00:28:39] this community

[00:28:39] to the Stop the Steal

[00:28:41] Facebook group.

[00:28:42] And you've had others

[00:28:44] that are actually

[00:28:45] talking about the fact

[00:28:46] that this is simply

[00:28:47] not something

[00:28:48] that a citizen

[00:28:49] should be engaged in.

[00:28:51] So,

[00:28:51] nothing to see here.

[00:28:53] Just simply go on.

[00:28:55] There is really no fraud.

[00:28:56] Or maybe there's a little bit,

[00:28:58] but it never affects

[00:28:59] the election.

[00:29:00] And of course,

[00:29:01] there are all sorts

[00:29:02] of concerns

[00:29:03] that have come out of here.

[00:29:04] Even if it did not

[00:29:05] affect the election,

[00:29:06] it just is an illustration

[00:29:08] that we need

[00:29:09] to do something

[00:29:10] to bring

[00:29:11] the whole election process

[00:29:13] in America

[00:29:14] up to the 21st century.

[00:29:17] You've had,

[00:29:18] as I just mentioned

[00:29:19] a minute ago,

[00:29:20] various voting machines

[00:29:21] that were defective.

[00:29:23] There are videos

[00:29:24] that you can watch

[00:29:25] where a person goes in

[00:29:27] and tries to click

[00:29:28] on Donald Trump,

[00:29:29] but it clicks out

[00:29:30] Kamala Harris,

[00:29:31] and they then tell

[00:29:32] the individual

[00:29:33] that the machine

[00:29:34] is not working.

[00:29:35] They say,

[00:29:35] well,

[00:29:36] you'll just have to tell

[00:29:36] your representative.

[00:29:37] Then you have the other.

[00:29:39] We're still waiting

[00:29:40] for,

[00:29:41] I'm looking at you,

[00:29:43] Arizona,

[00:29:43] for Maricopa County,

[00:29:45] which has said

[00:29:46] that it will take them

[00:29:47] until this weekend

[00:29:48] before they can report

[00:29:50] all the returns,

[00:29:51] which I think is absurd,

[00:29:54] and it's infuriating,

[00:29:55] and it certainly makes you wonder

[00:29:57] whether or not

[00:29:58] it allows the possibility

[00:30:00] of other kind

[00:30:01] of manipulation.

[00:30:02] Certainly Florida

[00:30:03] illustrated to us

[00:30:05] that you can count

[00:30:06] this,

[00:30:07] what would it be,

[00:30:08] I think it's the fourth

[00:30:09] most populous state,

[00:30:11] bring all of the results

[00:30:13] in in record time,

[00:30:15] and other states

[00:30:16] could do the very

[00:30:17] same thing,

[00:30:18] so that is the case.

[00:30:20] To put a smile

[00:30:21] on your face

[00:30:21] for just a minute

[00:30:22] before we take a break,

[00:30:23] I thought I'd mention

[00:30:24] a couple of other things

[00:30:25] that I've found,

[00:30:26] and I don't know

[00:30:27] if this puts a smile

[00:30:28] on your face

[00:30:29] or causes you

[00:30:29] just to roll your eyes,

[00:30:31] but here we go.

[00:30:33] Signatures in mail-in ballots

[00:30:35] in Nevada

[00:30:36] are an issue.

[00:30:37] Why is that?

[00:30:39] Because in mail-in ballots

[00:30:40] you have to provide

[00:30:41] your signature,

[00:30:42] and this particular statement

[00:30:44] from CNN

[00:30:46] is that the signatures

[00:30:47] in the mail-in ballots

[00:30:48] in Nevada

[00:30:49] are an issue

[00:30:49] because young voters

[00:30:50] don't know how

[00:30:51] to sign their names.

[00:30:52] Oh boy.

[00:30:54] As I like to say,

[00:30:55] and these people vote.

[00:30:57] I've suggested

[00:30:58] maybe they should

[00:30:58] take a class

[00:30:59] in cursive writing

[00:31:00] so at least they know

[00:31:01] how to sign their names.

[00:31:03] So again,

[00:31:04] these are the kind

[00:31:04] of issues

[00:31:05] that we're going

[00:31:06] to have to address

[00:31:07] sometimes in the future.

[00:31:09] One that I thought

[00:31:10] might actually put

[00:31:11] a smile on your face,

[00:31:12] and that is

[00:31:13] you may have seen

[00:31:14] some of these videos,

[00:31:16] YouTube videos,

[00:31:17] of Amish

[00:31:18] in their buggies,

[00:31:20] their horse-drawn buggies,

[00:31:22] flying Trump flags,

[00:31:24] which I thought

[00:31:25] was kind of interesting,

[00:31:26] but there's a good post

[00:31:28] that if Donald Trump

[00:31:30] wins Pennsylvania,

[00:31:31] looks like he has

[00:31:32] indeed done that,

[00:31:33] we owe it to this man,

[00:31:35] Scott Pressler,

[00:31:35] because he registered

[00:31:37] 180,000 Amish

[00:31:40] first-time voters,

[00:31:41] and so it just

[00:31:43] illustrates again

[00:31:44] there were a lot

[00:31:45] of first-time voters

[00:31:46] in some of these

[00:31:47] circumstances and situations.

[00:31:49] So nevertheless,

[00:31:50] that is the case.

[00:31:52] We come back though,

[00:31:53] I do want to get into

[00:31:53] a couple of other issues.

[00:31:55] The first is

[00:31:55] there are some

[00:31:57] of these various initiatives,

[00:31:59] some having to do

[00:32:00] with abortion,

[00:32:01] some having to do

[00:32:02] with the issue

[00:32:03] of marijuana use,

[00:32:05] that we'll get into.

[00:32:07] We also, of course,

[00:32:08] have some of the reaction

[00:32:09] to this decision

[00:32:10] that has been rendered

[00:32:12] by the American people,

[00:32:14] and so we'll spend

[00:32:15] some time looking

[00:32:15] at that as well.

[00:32:17] By the way,

[00:32:17] if you just joined us,

[00:32:19] probably the best place

[00:32:20] to go right now

[00:32:21] is there are some

[00:32:22] presidential forecast

[00:32:23] materials,

[00:32:24] and as more and more

[00:32:25] of the states

[00:32:26] are confirmed,

[00:32:27] I suspect by now

[00:32:28] maybe Pennsylvania

[00:32:29] is now confirmed,

[00:32:30] you have the possibility

[00:32:32] of Donald Trump

[00:32:33] having as much

[00:32:35] as 312 electoral votes,

[00:32:38] and again,

[00:32:39] Kamala Harris

[00:32:40] having as few

[00:32:41] as 226.

[00:32:43] Also,

[00:32:44] that could range

[00:32:45] to the other degree

[00:32:46] of Donald Trump

[00:32:47] having 286,

[00:32:49] and her,

[00:32:50] sure,

[00:32:50] having 252.

[00:32:52] But I think

[00:32:53] for any reasonable person,

[00:32:55] the electoral vote count

[00:32:57] is over,

[00:32:58] although it isn't

[00:32:59] totally over

[00:32:59] until January,

[00:33:01] as we learned

[00:33:02] four years ago.

[00:33:03] And then also,

[00:33:04] of course,

[00:33:04] the popular vote,

[00:33:05] Donald Trump

[00:33:06] could win by

[00:33:07] four points

[00:33:09] or as little

[00:33:10] as one point,

[00:33:12] a million to four million.

[00:33:13] We'll see

[00:33:14] where that range

[00:33:15] plays out

[00:33:16] because as I shared

[00:33:17] with you before,

[00:33:18] we still have

[00:33:19] many of these states,

[00:33:21] especially in the West Coast

[00:33:22] and including Arizona,

[00:33:23] that haven't given us

[00:33:25] some of these

[00:33:25] final counts.

[00:33:26] Of course,

[00:33:27] it's not official

[00:33:28] until it's certified.

[00:33:29] We will certainly

[00:33:30] make our way

[00:33:31] through the week

[00:33:32] trying to learn

[00:33:33] a little bit more.

[00:33:34] And then on Friday

[00:33:35] with Kelly Shackelford

[00:33:37] and some other guests

[00:33:39] around the table,

[00:33:40] we'll talk about

[00:33:41] what that means

[00:33:42] for the future

[00:33:43] of this country.

[00:33:44] We'll take a break,

[00:33:45] come back with more

[00:33:46] right after this.

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[00:34:00] Back for a few more minutes,

[00:34:01] let's talk about

[00:34:01] two other articles

[00:34:02] I've posted for you

[00:34:03] to read.

[00:34:04] And the first is

[00:34:05] that Florida voters

[00:34:06] reject late-term abortion.

[00:34:09] That is a ballot measure

[00:34:10] there that certainly

[00:34:11] is a victory,

[00:34:12] I think,

[00:34:13] for the pro-life community

[00:34:14] and certainly

[00:34:15] for Florida Governor

[00:34:16] Ron DeSantis.

[00:34:17] James Lynch

[00:34:18] puts it this way,

[00:34:19] Florida voters

[00:34:20] rejected a ballot measure

[00:34:21] to legalize

[00:34:22] late-term abortion

[00:34:23] Tuesday night,

[00:34:24] a major victory

[00:34:25] for Republican Governor

[00:34:26] Ron DeSantis,

[00:34:27] and a reflection

[00:34:28] on the state's

[00:34:29] rightward shift.

[00:34:30] The ballot measure,

[00:34:32] which was

[00:34:32] Constitutional Amendment 4,

[00:34:34] will fall just short

[00:34:35] of the 60% threshold

[00:34:38] required to pass.

[00:34:39] NBC News projects

[00:34:40] had it passed,

[00:34:41] the amendment

[00:34:41] would have enshrined

[00:34:42] in the state's

[00:34:43] constitution

[00:34:44] a right to abortion

[00:34:45] up until the point

[00:34:46] of fetal viability.

[00:34:49] And interestingly enough,

[00:34:51] this is one which

[00:34:52] I mentioned before,

[00:34:53] David French

[00:34:53] in his column

[00:34:54] in the New York Times

[00:34:55] said,

[00:34:56] this is kind of

[00:34:57] a do or die.

[00:34:58] Well,

[00:34:58] that was the case.

[00:34:59] So again,

[00:35:00] the spokesman

[00:35:01] for the Vote

[00:35:02] for No campaign

[00:35:03] said tonight,

[00:35:05] Florida set an example,

[00:35:06] again for the rest

[00:35:07] of the nation,

[00:35:08] Florida's blueprint

[00:35:09] proved that you

[00:35:10] can beat back

[00:35:11] the Soros-backed

[00:35:14] dark money,

[00:35:14] the out-of-state

[00:35:16] abortionists

[00:35:16] with strong

[00:35:17] vocal leadership

[00:35:18] willing to stand

[00:35:19] strong

[00:35:20] for what's right

[00:35:22] despite the arrows

[00:35:23] that come.

[00:35:24] And I think

[00:35:25] it is important

[00:35:26] to recognize

[00:35:27] that, again,

[00:35:28] we've had some

[00:35:29] comments being made

[00:35:31] as well.

[00:35:31] Florida showed

[00:35:32] that you could

[00:35:33] persuade voters

[00:35:34] with truth

[00:35:35] and reason,

[00:35:37] educating them

[00:35:37] on the dangers

[00:35:38] of Amendment 4

[00:35:39] and revealing

[00:35:40] its motives

[00:35:41] to undermine

[00:35:42] the American family.

[00:35:43] And this really

[00:35:44] is the first

[00:35:46] ballot referendum

[00:35:47] which has been

[00:35:49] a victory

[00:35:50] for the pro-life

[00:35:51] community

[00:35:51] because,

[00:35:52] as you well know,

[00:35:53] all the others

[00:35:54] since Roe was

[00:35:55] overturned by the

[00:35:56] Dodds decision

[00:35:57] have gone the

[00:35:58] other way.

[00:35:59] So,

[00:36:00] very significant.

[00:36:01] Interestingly enough,

[00:36:03] the group promoting

[00:36:04] this poured

[00:36:05] $60 million

[00:36:07] into the race

[00:36:08] according to

[00:36:10] the Watchdog

[00:36:11] Open Secret.

[00:36:11] So,

[00:36:12] this was a

[00:36:12] progressive group

[00:36:13] actually pouring

[00:36:15] money,

[00:36:15] time,

[00:36:16] resources

[00:36:16] into that.

[00:36:18] And Mad Marjorie

[00:36:19] Dannenfelser

[00:36:20] has been with us

[00:36:20] many times

[00:36:21] on the program

[00:36:22] who is the

[00:36:23] president of

[00:36:23] Susan B.

[00:36:24] Anthony

[00:36:25] Pro-Life

[00:36:25] said the

[00:36:26] demise of

[00:36:27] pro-abortion

[00:36:28] Amendment 4

[00:36:28] is a momentous

[00:36:30] victory for

[00:36:31] life in Florida

[00:36:32] and for our

[00:36:33] country.

[00:36:33] She goes on to

[00:36:34] say thanks to

[00:36:35] Governor Ron

[00:36:35] DeSantis.

[00:36:36] When we wake

[00:36:37] up tomorrow,

[00:36:38] babies with

[00:36:38] beating hearts

[00:36:39] will still be

[00:36:40] protected in

[00:36:41] the free state

[00:36:42] of Florida.

[00:36:43] If you'd like

[00:36:43] to read the

[00:36:44] entire story here,

[00:36:45] it is on our

[00:36:46] website at

[00:36:47] pointofview.net

[00:36:48] and it is a

[00:36:49] reminder that

[00:36:50] that was one

[00:36:51] of the abortion

[00:36:51] issues.

[00:36:52] There are others

[00:36:53] we'll talk about

[00:36:54] throughout the

[00:36:55] week,

[00:36:55] including some

[00:36:56] having to do

[00:36:57] with a variety

[00:36:57] of everything

[00:36:58] from,

[00:36:58] of course,

[00:36:59] cannabis use

[00:37:00] to minimum

[00:37:01] wage and a

[00:37:02] variety of

[00:37:03] others.

[00:37:03] But as we

[00:37:05] get to the

[00:37:05] end of this

[00:37:07] day,

[00:37:07] one of the

[00:37:08] questions I

[00:37:09] receive so

[00:37:11] often as I've

[00:37:12] been traveling

[00:37:12] around,

[00:37:13] whether it

[00:37:13] was in Oregon

[00:37:14] or in

[00:37:15] Missouri or

[00:37:16] in Arizona,

[00:37:18] of course,

[00:37:19] here in

[00:37:19] Texas,

[00:37:20] even when I've

[00:37:20] been more

[00:37:20] recently in

[00:37:21] Georgia and

[00:37:22] South Carolina

[00:37:22] is what do

[00:37:23] you think

[00:37:24] happens next?

[00:37:25] And I think

[00:37:26] we had a

[00:37:27] little bit of

[00:37:27] a picture of

[00:37:28] what could

[00:37:29] happen last

[00:37:30] night because

[00:37:31] my other

[00:37:32] article that

[00:37:32] I've posted

[00:37:33] for you is

[00:37:34] Antifa is

[00:37:35] already rioting.

[00:37:37] This particular

[00:37:39] article by

[00:37:40] Mia Catherell

[00:37:41] says Antifa

[00:37:42] agitators are

[00:37:43] already rioting

[00:37:45] in Democrat-led

[00:37:46] crime cesspools

[00:37:47] calling for

[00:37:48] chaos on

[00:37:49] election night.

[00:37:50] Some of the

[00:37:51] militants in

[00:37:52] the city of

[00:37:52] Seattle mobilized

[00:37:53] early in the

[00:37:54] evening to

[00:37:55] launch an

[00:37:55] election night

[00:37:56] attack on

[00:37:57] the former

[00:37:58] site of the

[00:37:59] former Capitol

[00:38:00] Hill Autonomous

[00:38:02] Zone that was

[00:38:03] known as

[00:38:03] CHAZ.

[00:38:04] Seattle cops

[00:38:05] swiftly shut

[00:38:06] the occupation

[00:38:07] down by the

[00:38:08] Antichrist and

[00:38:10] arrested several

[00:38:11] leftist activists.

[00:38:12] There's heavy

[00:38:13] police presence

[00:38:14] there, but of

[00:38:15] course, you can

[00:38:15] imagine what

[00:38:17] might happen in

[00:38:17] the future.

[00:38:18] If you want to

[00:38:19] go from

[00:38:20] Seattle,

[00:38:21] Washington to

[00:38:22] Portland, Oregon,

[00:38:24] in Portland, Oregon,

[00:38:25] police officers were

[00:38:26] conducting bicycle

[00:38:27] patrols through

[00:38:28] downtown in

[00:38:29] anticipation that

[00:38:31] Antifa would be

[00:38:32] carrying out

[00:38:33] attacks.

[00:38:34] And the

[00:38:34] investigative

[00:38:35] journalist,

[00:38:36] Andy Ngo,

[00:38:37] reported that the

[00:38:38] Rose City

[00:38:39] Counterinfo,

[00:38:40] which is a

[00:38:41] Portland-based

[00:38:42] Antifa blog,

[00:38:43] claims responsibility

[00:38:44] for some of the

[00:38:45] far-left attacks,

[00:38:46] was urging their

[00:38:47] comrades to carry

[00:38:49] out political

[00:38:50] violence on

[00:38:50] election night in

[00:38:52] furtherance of

[00:38:53] their insurrection

[00:38:54] fantasies.

[00:38:55] So those were

[00:38:56] some ideas that

[00:38:57] were actually put

[00:38:59] forward, and he's

[00:39:00] been following that

[00:39:01] as well.

[00:39:01] It goes on to

[00:39:02] say, first of all,

[00:39:03] Antifa site says,

[00:39:05] as election night

[00:39:05] draws near, it

[00:39:07] seems like many

[00:39:07] anarchists are

[00:39:08] content with sitting

[00:39:09] back and watching

[00:39:10] what unfolds.

[00:39:10] We cannot predict

[00:39:12] what will happen,

[00:39:12] perhaps widespread

[00:39:13] riots, perhaps

[00:39:14] widespread nothing,

[00:39:15] but this should

[00:39:16] be even more

[00:39:18] reason to attack.

[00:39:19] And so again,

[00:39:20] it is one of the

[00:39:22] realities that

[00:39:24] Antifa really

[00:39:25] believes in

[00:39:26] anarchy, and

[00:39:27] we are probably

[00:39:28] going to see

[00:39:29] some more of

[00:39:29] this, if not

[00:39:31] this week,

[00:39:31] certainly as we

[00:39:32] get closer to a

[00:39:34] couple of things,

[00:39:34] that is the

[00:39:35] ratification of

[00:39:36] the electoral

[00:39:37] college in

[00:39:38] January, and

[00:39:39] even the swearing

[00:39:40] in, I would

[00:39:41] now, of Donald

[00:39:41] Trump and J.D.

[00:39:42] Vance,

[00:39:43] in January.

[00:39:45] So we'll see

[00:39:46] where that

[00:39:46] unfolds.

[00:39:47] But as I

[00:39:48] started the

[00:39:49] program, let

[00:39:49] me end with

[00:39:50] it, I'll give

[00:39:51] high praise to

[00:39:53] CNN commentator

[00:39:55] Scott Jennings,

[00:39:56] who is a

[00:39:57] conservative,

[00:39:57] oftentimes the

[00:39:58] lone conservative

[00:39:59] on CNN, but

[00:40:01] last night he

[00:40:01] said, this

[00:40:02] election is a

[00:40:03] mandate.

[00:40:04] He's won the

[00:40:04] national popular

[00:40:05] vote for the

[00:40:06] first time for

[00:40:07] a Republican

[00:40:08] since 2004.

[00:40:10] And he said,

[00:40:11] this is a big

[00:40:11] deal.

[00:40:12] This isn't

[00:40:13] backing into

[00:40:14] the office, and

[00:40:15] he goes on to

[00:40:16] say, this is

[00:40:17] really a mandate

[00:40:18] to do what you

[00:40:19] said you're

[00:40:19] going to do.

[00:40:21] Get the

[00:40:21] economy working

[00:40:22] again for

[00:40:23] regular working

[00:40:24] class Americans.

[00:40:25] Fix immigration.

[00:40:27] Try to get

[00:40:28] crime under

[00:40:29] control.

[00:40:30] Try to reduce

[00:40:31] the chaos in

[00:40:32] the world.

[00:40:32] This is a

[00:40:33] mandate from

[00:40:34] the American

[00:40:34] people to do

[00:40:35] that.

[00:40:36] He went on

[00:40:37] though to also

[00:40:37] say that Americans

[00:40:39] have been

[00:40:40] feeling that

[00:40:41] they've been

[00:40:42] crushed,

[00:40:43] insulted,

[00:40:44] condescended

[00:40:45] to, and he

[00:40:46] says they're not

[00:40:47] garbage, they're

[00:40:48] not Nazis,

[00:40:49] they're just

[00:40:49] regular people

[00:40:50] who get up and

[00:40:52] go to work

[00:40:53] every day and

[00:40:53] are trying to

[00:40:54] make a better

[00:40:55] life for their

[00:40:56] kids.

[00:40:57] He then ends

[00:40:58] by simply

[00:40:58] saying, I

[00:40:59] think that both

[00:41:00] parties should

[00:41:01] always look at

[00:41:02] the results of

[00:41:03] an election and

[00:41:04] figure out what

[00:41:05] went right and

[00:41:07] what went wrong.

[00:41:07] But I think for

[00:41:09] all of us who

[00:41:09] cover elections

[00:41:10] and talk about

[00:41:12] elections and

[00:41:13] do this on a

[00:41:13] day-to-day basis,

[00:41:15] we have to

[00:41:15] figure out how

[00:41:16] to understand,

[00:41:17] talk to, and

[00:41:18] listen to the

[00:41:19] half of the

[00:41:20] country that

[00:41:20] rose up tonight

[00:41:21] and said,

[00:41:22] we've had enough.

[00:41:24] And so in

[00:41:25] some respects,

[00:41:25] I think this is

[00:41:26] a mandate.

[00:41:27] It's also a

[00:41:28] pushback, and

[00:41:29] it will be

[00:41:29] interesting over

[00:41:30] the next couple

[00:41:31] of days to

[00:41:31] see the

[00:41:32] reaction to

[00:41:33] this.

[00:41:34] Last night

[00:41:34] we had

[00:41:35] Gayle King

[00:41:35] saying, well,

[00:41:36] if Donald

[00:41:36] Trump secures

[00:41:37] the White House

[00:41:37] with a

[00:41:38] Republican-controlled

[00:41:39] House and

[00:41:39] Senate and

[00:41:40] a conservative

[00:41:41] Supreme Court,

[00:41:42] what happens

[00:41:43] to this concept

[00:41:44] called checks

[00:41:44] and balances?

[00:41:45] You mean the

[00:41:46] one that used

[00:41:47] to exist when

[00:41:47] sometimes you

[00:41:48] had a

[00:41:48] uniparty in

[00:41:50] the federal

[00:41:51] government?

[00:41:51] We do have

[00:41:52] some uniparties

[00:41:52] in some of

[00:41:53] the states.

[00:41:54] We weren't

[00:41:54] really complaining

[00:41:55] about that back

[00:41:56] then, but that

[00:41:57] is the case.

[00:41:57] And of course

[00:41:58] you had some

[00:41:59] people talking

[00:42:00] about scrapping

[00:42:01] the electoral

[00:42:01] college, although

[00:42:02] the argument

[00:42:03] falls a little

[00:42:04] flat if indeed

[00:42:05] you accept what

[00:42:07] I think we've

[00:42:07] already been

[00:42:08] able to

[00:42:08] document that

[00:42:09] Donald Trump

[00:42:10] not only won

[00:42:11] the electoral

[00:42:11] college, he

[00:42:13] also won the

[00:42:14] popular vote.

[00:42:15] Anyway, we'll

[00:42:15] see how the

[00:42:16] reactions, both

[00:42:18] from the

[00:42:18] pundits and

[00:42:19] from the

[00:42:19] activists, unfold

[00:42:20] over the next

[00:42:21] couple of days

[00:42:22] and weeks and

[00:42:23] months, and we'll

[00:42:24] be covering that

[00:42:25] every single day

[00:42:26] here on Point

[00:42:26] of View.

[00:42:27] Tomorrow, James

[00:42:28] Spencer will be

[00:42:29] with us.

[00:42:29] We'll be talking

[00:42:30] about all sorts

[00:42:32] of very important

[00:42:33] issues, really

[00:42:33] about how

[00:42:34] Christians should

[00:42:35] engage the

[00:42:36] culture.

[00:42:36] We'll get into

[00:42:37] some other

[00:42:37] topics and bring

[00:42:38] you a few more

[00:42:39] updates on the

[00:42:40] election, so a

[00:42:41] lot to cover.

[00:42:43] And then Friday,

[00:42:44] Jeff Mateer and

[00:42:45] Kelly Shackelford

[00:42:46] will be part of

[00:42:46] our weekend

[00:42:47] discussion, our

[00:42:48] weekend edition,

[00:42:49] and so we'll

[00:42:50] certainly be talking

[00:42:51] about that then.

[00:42:52] First of all, I

[00:42:53] want to thank

[00:42:53] Megan for her

[00:42:54] help engineering

[00:42:54] the program.

[00:42:55] Karen, thank

[00:42:56] you for stepping

[00:42:56] in for Steve and

[00:42:58] producing the

[00:42:59] program.

[00:42:59] We look forward

[00:43:00] to seeing you

[00:43:00] tomorrow right

[00:43:01] here.

[00:43:02] It almost seems

[00:43:11] like we live in

[00:43:11] a different world

[00:43:13] from many people

[00:43:14] in positions of

[00:43:15] authority.

[00:43:15] They say men

[00:43:17] can be women

[00:43:17] and women men.

[00:43:19] People are

[00:43:20] prosecuted

[00:43:20] differently or

[00:43:21] not at all

[00:43:22] depending on

[00:43:23] their politics.

[00:43:24] Criminals are

[00:43:25] more valued and

[00:43:26] rewarded than

[00:43:27] law-abiding

[00:43:28] citizens.

[00:43:29] It's so

[00:43:30] overwhelming, so

[00:43:31] demoralizing.

[00:43:32] You feel like

[00:43:33] giving up, but

[00:43:34] we can't.

[00:43:35] We shouldn't.

[00:43:36] We must not.

[00:43:37] As Winston

[00:43:38] Churchill said to

[00:43:39] Britain in the

[00:43:40] darkest days of

[00:43:41] World War II,

[00:43:42] never give in.

[00:43:43] Never give in.

[00:43:44] Never, never,

[00:43:45] never.

[00:43:46] Never yield to

[00:43:47] force.

[00:43:48] Never yield to

[00:43:49] the apparently

[00:43:49] overwhelming might

[00:43:50] of the enemy.

[00:43:52] And that's what we

[00:43:53] say to you today.

[00:43:54] This is not a time

[00:43:56] to give in, but to

[00:43:57] step up and join

[00:43:59] point of view in

[00:44:00] providing clarity in

[00:44:01] the chaos.

[00:44:02] We can't do it

[00:44:03] alone, but together,

[00:44:05] with God's help,

[00:44:06] we will overcome

[00:44:08] the darkness.

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[00:44:10] biblical clarity

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