Point of View November 4, 2024 – Hour 2 : Frontlines International

[00:00:04] Across America Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] As we're going to be talking about the persecuted church and of course yesterday was the International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church and I suspect that your church probably didn't talk about that.

[00:00:30] If it did, well congratulations to them but we're going to focus on an important issue that we talk about on a regular basis, not just when November comes around but certainly an important issue.

[00:00:41] And over these years we've had various guests in studio and by phone to talk about that.

[00:00:47] And we are privileged to have today Weibo in studio once again, an individual that first began his career with open doors, might even remember the fact that he really helped create that World Watch List.

[00:00:59] We talk about that every single year and this year we pointed out the fact that the latest World Watch List shows about 365 million Christians

[00:01:08] in various places around the world that are facing high levels of persecution and discrimination.

[00:01:14] And after that, he had born in 2020 joined Frontlines International, has been the coordinator of Bible distribution in some of these closed countries.

[00:01:23] And we're going to talk about kind of a global perspective today on trends in persecution, even talk about secular intolerance and a variety of other issues.

[00:01:32] So we won't just be talking about persecuted Christians, we'll even be talking about sometimes some of the things we face here in the so-called open world.

[00:01:41] But first of all, Weibo, welcome back to Point of Views. Great to have you in studio.

[00:01:45] Thank you very much. It's lovely to be back here.

[00:01:47] Let's if I can maybe have you just give us a brief overview before we focus on some of the countries.

[00:01:52] Where are we? That 365 million numbers should get everybody's attention.

[00:01:57] That's one of the reasons why I wanted to start with it.

[00:01:59] Thanks a lot. The issue is growing.

[00:02:03] The number of countries with high levels of persecution basically has doubled in the past 10 years from 2014 to 24.

[00:02:11] It jumped up roughly from 40 countries with high levels of persecution to about 80.

[00:02:15] So that's one major trend.

[00:02:17] And that's also an explanation why the number of Christians facing persecution really has jumped up.

[00:02:22] That's trend number one.

[00:02:24] Trend number two is the intensity of persecution.

[00:02:27] When I started to work on the What Was This Project and we released the first list in 1993,

[00:02:33] you needed to score about 40 points just to make it into the top 50.

[00:02:37] 40 points for the top 50, the lowest place.

[00:02:41] But today, the past few years actually, you have to score over 60 points to make it into the top 50.

[00:02:47] So that's an increase of 50% in points.

[00:02:50] So you see a second development, the intensity of persecution, the heaviness of persecution really has jumped up.

[00:02:56] And then there's a third major trend happening, which is not feasible in the list, but I'm happy to share it with you here today anyway.

[00:03:04] And that is a growing number of restrictions, if you may say so,

[00:03:08] sometimes discrimination of Christians in the so-called Western world.

[00:03:12] Yes.

[00:03:13] Well, and again, that's part of it because I want to broaden it for certainly in a few minutes when we talk about what's happened in the Western world.

[00:03:19] But back to just I'll use the World Watch list for a minute.

[00:03:23] And that is that at the top of the list, North Korea, been there for many years.

[00:03:27] Then most of the countries there are Muslim countries.

[00:03:30] That's understandable.

[00:03:31] So communism and Islam.

[00:03:34] But then what is sometimes on the 10th, 11th, depends where it moves, is India, which is Hindu.

[00:03:40] And that really relates to some conversations I had even last week when I was out traveling.

[00:03:46] We did a number of remote broadcasts.

[00:03:47] And it's amazing how many times Hinduism comes up or Indian persecution of Christians comes up.

[00:03:54] And that's something that I don't think many of us saw.

[00:03:57] That's maybe not so much out of persecution of Christians as a desire to promote India as a Hindu country.

[00:04:03] But this, I think, illustrates, we both, the fact that these threats are coming from different sectors.

[00:04:09] It used to be we were primarily talking about Christians in communist countries.

[00:04:13] Now that's Christians in communist countries, Christian in Muslim countries, but Christians in other countries where they aren't necessarily Hindu or Muslim, but they're attacking Christians as well.

[00:04:23] It's a big topic.

[00:04:25] I'm going to take you a little bit back in history to give some perspective also for the listeners.

[00:04:30] Sure.

[00:04:31] The first part of the 20th century was really the century and even the 19th century about the big ideologies, about liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism.

[00:04:42] A lot of people turned their back towards religion and became obsessed by human thinking.

[00:04:48] Right.

[00:04:48] That started to change after the Second World War.

[00:04:51] There came a pushback among conservative Christians, especially in your beautiful country in the USA, to revisit the Bible, to go back to the roots.

[00:05:00] From a Christian perspective, that was a wonderful, wonderful development.

[00:05:04] It started in the early 70s maybe.

[00:05:06] But I think the Satan was also where it was going on, the great adversary.

[00:05:10] So what happened in the late 70s?

[00:05:12] You saw a revival of radical Islam.

[00:05:14] You saw it in both realms of Islam, with Shiite Islam.

[00:05:18] You had a revolution in Iran where the Ayatollahs were able to take over control of the country.

[00:05:23] But on the Sunni side, you had the great revolution, the great internal fight in Afghanistan against the Soviet occupation.

[00:05:30] And that was the big start of the Sunni revival as well.

[00:05:33] That happened late 70s.

[00:05:34] What people often ignore or are not aware of, that a similar trend happened with Hinduism in the late 80s, mid-80s maybe, when a revival started to happen in India, when a political party was grounded.

[00:05:47] It took a lot of attention to BGP, who is now in power.

[00:05:51] And they had a clear vision of changing India, on the one hand, into a modern nation, which is pretty good for an average citizen.

[00:05:58] But on the other hand, the other big push they had, have India as a true Hindu state where everybody should be a Hindu.

[00:06:06] And that eventually has been leading to a lot of persecution, which we're seeing today.

[00:06:10] Again, a lot of people didn't see that coming.

[00:06:12] But again, that's one of the values of that list.

[00:06:14] And again, we encourage people to pray about that.

[00:06:17] Let me just mention that if you go to the website right now, you will see a link there to, again, all the material that you would need.

[00:06:26] FrontlinesInternational.org

[00:06:27] Don't have to remember that because we then talk about the need, the solution, our approach.

[00:06:32] There's a way of certainly sending a Bible, which I want to talk about with you in all sorts of ministry plans and things of that nature.

[00:06:40] But just before we take a break, let's talk about the nature of that persecution because you were talking about different categories.

[00:06:46] And in some respects, it is a threat to your life.

[00:06:50] It is very hard to live in Nigeria, for example, North Korea.

[00:06:54] But it isn't easy to live in some of these other countries that are further down the list because there are all sorts of restrictions that keep you from even being able to feed your family.

[00:07:03] Is that right?

[00:07:04] That's right.

[00:07:05] The persecution can come from authorities, from the government.

[00:07:08] The persecution can come from society, the people around you, the people at your working place.

[00:07:13] And the persecution can come from your own family members.

[00:07:16] And going back to India, see, India is a major problem because the government is allowing persecution to happen.

[00:07:24] It's sometimes playing a role in that.

[00:07:26] There's a lot of pressure in society among Christians, among Indians who have left Hinduism maybe a century ago.

[00:07:33] But now they are Christians.

[00:07:35] And finally, there's the pressure from the family trying to push Indians back to Hinduism.

[00:07:40] And it's a major issue because every single day we have incidents.

[00:07:44] I mean, this is 24.

[00:07:45] We are over 700 incidents this year when people have been beaten up, have been killed, have been kicked out of their houses, pastors, churches being burned down.

[00:07:54] And that, frankly, those different types of persecution is happening in the Hindu world.

[00:08:00] But definitely it's very, very strong in the Islamic world.

[00:08:04] And to some extent, it's also happening in the Buddhist world.

[00:08:07] Laos, Myanmar, and Vietnam are examples of that.

[00:08:10] Today we're talking about Nepal, for example.

[00:08:12] So some of these conversations go all the way across the globe.

[00:08:16] And if you find yourself saying, I want to learn a little bit more about this, maybe your church did do an International Day of Prayer for the persecuted church.

[00:08:23] Or maybe you'd like to develop something like that.

[00:08:26] We have a link and we're going to go to the break to Frontlines International.

[00:08:30] We have all the material there.

[00:08:32] And I think it would be good to use this maybe as a time during your missions week.

[00:08:36] Or even just for you, if you teach a Sunday school class or others, to bring people's attention to the need to pray for the persecuted church.

[00:08:44] We'll continue your conversation right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] Environmental, social, and governance investment practices have been in the news for some time.

[00:09:09] But there's growing evidence that the popularity of ESG mandates is fading.

[00:09:14] Alison Schrager writes that the ESG bubble is bursting.

[00:09:17] Sure, individuals would like to invest in corporations that reflect their values.

[00:09:21] But she says what counts as virtuous is rarely cut and dried.

[00:09:24] Vivek Ramashwamy warns how woke capital politicizes your retirement.

[00:09:29] He explains that politics have quickly come to dominate index funds.

[00:09:33] When you buy an index fund that is managed by these big fund managers, you're promoting ESG objectives whether you want to or not.

[00:09:40] Mark Jaffe argues in an op-ed that ESG investment practices distract investors and corporate management from maximizing long-term profitability.

[00:09:50] It diverts them from priorities that align with increased productivity and focus on a shifting array of inconsistently defined social impact criteria.

[00:09:59] That is why he concludes that ESG is bad for the economy.

[00:10:03] Yale law professor Jed Rubenfeld and former U.S. Attorney General William Barr argues that ESG can't square with fiduciary duty.

[00:10:11] They cite a letter written by 19 state attorneys general warning that the ESG used by one of the fund managers appear to involve rampant violations of the sole interest rule, a well-established legal principle.

[00:10:24] You know, focusing our attention and investments on companies that are concerned about the environment and their social responsibility may sound like a good idea.

[00:10:32] But the number of articles coming out are a reminder to all of us that often the details in a policy matter.

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[00:11:03] All right, once again, talking about the persecuted church.

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[00:11:11] Weebo is with us and he's been here before.

[00:11:13] And we're, of course, talking about the great ministry, Frontlines International.

[00:11:17] But, Weebo, I thought for just a minute we might talk about October 7th.

[00:11:22] And we had, of course, a trip that, of point of view, brought people to Israel.

[00:11:26] It was supposed to be during that period of time, but we came earlier because I had to go and do a teaching in October.

[00:11:32] But all of us recognized what happened on October 7th and the attack by Hamas on Israel.

[00:11:39] Then the ongoing battle with Hamas and Hezbollah.

[00:11:42] But I do believe that that probably has had some very significant impact in the Muslim world.

[00:11:48] Can you fill us in on that?

[00:11:49] Yeah, yeah.

[00:11:50] It's a really good question.

[00:11:53] It definitely had a lot of impact, the atrocities of the terrorist movement of Hamas to the States of Israel.

[00:11:59] Because, as you can expect it, the State of Israel responded trying to protect its own citizens.

[00:12:04] So we have war in the Gaza region now for over a year.

[00:12:09] Yes.

[00:12:09] And that's an area where already very few Christians were living.

[00:12:13] Most of them had moved out long before this war.

[00:12:16] But still, there were about just over 1,000 Christian background believers, we call them.

[00:12:22] People have a Christian background from Christian families.

[00:12:24] They are desperate.

[00:12:26] And, yeah, roughly one third of those Christians have fled.

[00:12:30] The Gaza area have paid high fines and escaped to Egypt.

[00:12:34] So maybe 650 left, which is really a terrible low figure when you think of 2 million people over there.

[00:12:40] At the same time, you have small groups of Muslim converts.

[00:12:45] They were in hiding already because of Hamas not tolerating people to move away from Islam.

[00:12:49] They're still in hiding today.

[00:12:51] That's focusing on Gaza.

[00:12:55] But if you look beyond, the war is also having wider impact.

[00:13:00] In the State of Israel, very interestingly, for the first time as far as I know,

[00:13:06] there is an ongoing interest among Orthodox Jews about the Christian faith, especially about Joshua.

[00:13:15] So we see an increase of inquiries about why do we believe that Joshua is the Messiah from a number of Orthodox Jews.

[00:13:22] This is a very, very fascinating movement.

[00:13:25] And then finally, which you won't find in the news anywhere, is also having repercussions for the ministries working into Iran

[00:13:33] because the Iranian government is extremely concerned about what is going on there

[00:13:39] and the possibility that their own population may rebel against the regime of the Ayatollahs.

[00:13:44] So there's many more strict border controls than they had before,

[00:13:48] which is not a good thing when you're trying to make Bibles available unofficially

[00:13:51] because now there are border checkpoints much more than in the past.

[00:13:55] The Iranians are concerned about weapons coming into the country,

[00:13:58] but it's also limiting possibilities of getting the word into the country.

[00:14:01] So it's a conflict with many, many, many dimensions.

[00:14:06] Yes.

[00:14:06] Well, of course, we've talked with our good friend Joel Rosenberg

[00:14:09] about some of the Christians still remaining there in Hamas or others in the Gaza Strip

[00:14:14] that have left an area controlled not so much by Hamas anymore, more by the IDF, but nevertheless.

[00:14:20] And then we were just talking the other day with an individual that was talking about a Holocaust survivor,

[00:14:25] Jewish individual that has become a Christian in Israel, to illustrate your point.

[00:14:30] But then the bigger issue is that in the past we even encouraged some of our donors

[00:14:35] to actually give to what's called the Iranian Bible College.

[00:14:38] Now, it's not in Iran.

[00:14:40] It's in Turkey, as you may know, but just to pay attention to all the Christians there in Iran,

[00:14:46] which, again, is a very big issue.

[00:14:49] And, of course, what is going to happen there in the future will be kind of interesting.

[00:14:54] So all the kind of geopolitical issues we talk about every day here on Point of View

[00:15:00] have some implications in terms of the persecuted church.

[00:15:03] So, again, bringing us back to this idea of praying, what can we do?

[00:15:08] Because it seems to me that some listeners are saying, I feel helpless.

[00:15:11] I hear these stories.

[00:15:13] And each year you bring the World Watch list.

[00:15:15] And each year we talk with somebody from Open Doors.

[00:15:18] Here we're talking with somebody from Frontlines International.

[00:15:21] And they just say, I want to do more.

[00:15:23] Are there some action items that you might give to some of our listeners as we talk about this?

[00:15:28] I would easily describe three different action items.

[00:15:31] But I still would like to start with prayer.

[00:15:34] I'm happy to be here back in Texas.

[00:15:36] In my country, the Netherlands, we look at Texas.

[00:15:39] Texas is running on oil.

[00:15:41] But we as Frontlines International, we are running on prayer.

[00:15:44] And the number one request of Persicuda believers is prayer.

[00:15:48] Yes.

[00:15:49] America is still, happily, a powerhouse of Christianity.

[00:15:53] Many Americans are praying.

[00:15:55] I know that.

[00:15:56] But as Frontlines, we do not send out any direct mail.

[00:16:00] The only regular communication we have is a weekly prayer bulletin.

[00:16:03] So if you would go to our website and subscribe, this is all about prayer.

[00:16:08] We really believe in prayer.

[00:16:09] That's number one.

[00:16:11] Secondly, we need volunteers.

[00:16:13] We need couriers.

[00:16:14] And we are in need of couriers for two reasons.

[00:16:16] One, we are bringing Bibles.

[00:16:18] We are bringing goods to believers on the persecution.

[00:16:21] So they can help their persecutive brothers and sisters when they go on a trip.

[00:16:26] But it's more than just providing a service.

[00:16:29] The fact that Americans, Christians, are willing to travel to countries with high levels of persecution

[00:16:36] and visit persecuted believers over there is really making an impact.

[00:16:40] It's showing people in Myanmar, in the Middle East, in any country that they are not forgotten,

[00:16:46] that people care about them and actually make the effort of visiting them in their place.

[00:16:51] And finally, we have a lot of projects.

[00:16:54] Half of our budgets are being spent on Bible distribution.

[00:16:56] Those Bibles need to be purchased.

[00:16:58] They need to be taken into the region.

[00:17:00] They need to be distributed.

[00:17:01] And that costs money.

[00:17:03] And that's where we have projects for as well.

[00:17:04] So three ways to get in full.

[00:17:06] You've got some buttons there.

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[00:17:13] And that button up on the right-hand corner is donate.

[00:17:16] And I would encourage people to do so.

[00:17:17] What I've noticed is that, as you may have noticed, we've got this election here.

[00:17:21] And it's caused a lot of ministries to not do as well financially, whether it's our good friend Kelly Shackelford,

[00:17:27] who joins us on Friday with First Liberty, who has a very large budget,

[00:17:31] or whether it's Jim Dobson or whether it's Focus on the Family or whether it's David Jeremiah.

[00:17:35] A lot of them are saying there's maybe not been some giving because of the uncertainty.

[00:17:40] Well, after tomorrow or the next day or two, I think one way or the other, we'll have certainty.

[00:17:45] And I really do want to encourage people to support your local church.

[00:17:49] If you want to support Point of View, fine.

[00:17:51] But can I also encourage you to support Frontlines International?

[00:17:54] Because what better opportunity than to get Bibles in the hands of individuals?

[00:18:00] And I'd love to maybe have you share some of the stories because I've seen these videos.

[00:18:04] People get these Bibles, and it's like you've just given them something solid gold.

[00:18:09] You've given them the greatest gift they would ever have because we have Bibles all over the place.

[00:18:15] We have Bibles on our phones and things like that.

[00:18:18] But for many of these persecuted Christians, this is the first time they get to read God's Word.

[00:18:22] Can you speak to that?

[00:18:23] Oh, absolutely.

[00:18:24] It reminds me of a meeting I had with a pastor in Iran, which we brought a lot of Bibles.

[00:18:30] And we put them on a huge table in front of him, and he couldn't believe he was looking at that many Bibles.

[00:18:36] He took up one, and he actually said,

[00:18:38] This to me has more value than gold, pure gold, exactly what you're referring to.

[00:18:43] That was his response.

[00:18:44] I remember that.

[00:18:45] So, yeah.

[00:18:45] So that is really neat.

[00:18:47] Another example, I mean, just recently we had a truck driver from a country neighboring Iran,

[00:18:54] and he had been taking boxes of Bibles into the country.

[00:18:57] And this time he was talking to us.

[00:18:58] He said, I have to apologize.

[00:18:59] I have to make my excuses.

[00:19:01] And my friend was wondering, what is going on here?

[00:19:04] Why is a truck driver wanting to apologize?

[00:19:06] This is a bit strange in Islamic society, and especially from a Muslim towards a Christian.

[00:19:11] So the truck driver went on.

[00:19:13] He said, no, I have been taking those boxes for you.

[00:19:16] But to be honest, I was always interested in this holy book of the Christians.

[00:19:19] So actually, I stole two of your Bibles, and I started to read with my family in one of them.

[00:19:27] And we think we have found the truth.

[00:19:29] So we are followers of Jesus now.

[00:19:31] But that's why I feel we have to apologize because we stole two of your books.

[00:19:36] He said, okay, it's fine.

[00:19:37] He said, but I'm ready to continue to bring new boxes into the country of my destination.

[00:19:43] It's like the people I know that work with Gideons.

[00:19:46] They know that they have to keep replacing the Gideon Bibles.

[00:19:48] But that's good because God's word does not return void.

[00:19:52] And so we recognize the value of that.

[00:19:54] We're going to take a break.

[00:19:55] And when we come back, you might have a question, although I suspect most of you are just kind of sitting back and taking some notes.

[00:19:59] And please do so because, first of all, this would be an opportunity for you to go to frontlinesinternational.org.

[00:20:06] And you can click on one of those buttons that said find out more.

[00:20:11] I do want to talk a bit about church growth and training and some of the things.

[00:20:14] We've also talked about the Bible and how really we can strengthen the church.

[00:20:18] And if you would like to be involved with them in one way or another, and I would encourage you to do so,

[00:20:23] we have all that available at our website, pointofview.net.

[00:20:27] If you find yourself saying, I know somebody that needs to hear this,

[00:20:31] it might be your missions pastor who probably doesn't listen to Point of View.

[00:20:34] It might be your pastor, maybe your teaching pastor who doesn't even know about this.

[00:20:39] There's a way where you could actually take this interview and pass it on to them.

[00:20:43] Go to our website, and we have a button there that says watch or listen.

[00:20:48] Now we have Weibo here.

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[00:21:06] And perhaps you know some people that are working right now in countries where there's a persecution of Christians.

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[00:21:30] In 19th century London, two towering historical figures did battle,

[00:21:35] not with guns and bombs, but words and ideas.

[00:21:39] London was home to Karl Marx, the father of communism,

[00:21:43] and legendary Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon.

[00:21:47] London was in many ways the center of the world economically, militarily, and intellectually.

[00:21:53] Marx sought to destroy religion, the family, and everything the Bible supports.

[00:21:59] Spurgeon stood against him, warning of socialism's dangers.

[00:22:03] Spurgeon understood Christianity is not just religious truth.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again, we're talking about the persecuted church,

[00:23:15] and in particular, Front Lines International.

[00:23:18] Weibo with us, and we thought we might just spend a little bit of time talking about the idea of church growth,

[00:23:24] because the Great Commission certainly want to make converts,

[00:23:28] but the Great Commission says we should make disciples.

[00:23:31] And it does seem to me that one of the greatest needs,

[00:23:34] in addition to praying for believers and praying for conversions,

[00:23:39] is for them to grow in their faith.

[00:23:42] And that, of course, is a great challenge.

[00:23:44] But I've also heard you say that this year of 2024 might be the most significant year in terms of church growth.

[00:23:52] Can you explain that to us?

[00:23:53] Absolutely.

[00:23:54] For me, it has been a privilege and an honor and a joy to be working for 39 years now with the persecuted believers,

[00:24:02] 39 years of Open Doors,

[00:24:03] four or five years of Front Lines International.

[00:24:06] Very, very, very, very special.

[00:24:08] But this year is really standing out for me.

[00:24:10] I have not seen a year like this before,

[00:24:13] where you had so many reports about conversions in the Islamic world,

[00:24:17] in the Hindu world, and in the Buddhist world.

[00:24:19] So that in itself is a reason for joy.

[00:24:22] However, you're pointing out to a very important issue,

[00:24:25] and that is the move from making a decision for Christ to becoming a real disciple of Christ.

[00:24:31] It's his commandment.

[00:24:32] It's what we're trying to do, following what he's been ordering us to do.

[00:24:35] And there's a big difference.

[00:24:38] Recently, there was a conference which was focused on Afghans coming to Christ.

[00:24:43] And there's good news.

[00:24:44] Many Afghans have converted since the Taliban took over this country.

[00:24:47] Amazing, amazingly high number.

[00:24:49] But also, there's quite a dropout.

[00:24:51] So people initially make a decision for Christ,

[00:24:53] and then things happen.

[00:24:54] They start to struggle.

[00:24:55] There may be persecution.

[00:24:56] And then they drop out.

[00:24:57] So this is a big concern.

[00:24:59] And that's why there's a major focus of a number of Christian ministries,

[00:25:04] including Frontlines International,

[00:25:05] of not just bringing the gospel,

[00:25:08] but having discipleship programs running so people can grow in their faith.

[00:25:13] There's a lot in this, really.

[00:25:15] When the Iron Curtain collapsed,

[00:25:18] and I did a study on ministry, on Christianity in Islamic world,

[00:25:23] I discovered that also through times Muslims had come to faith,

[00:25:27] and then boom, persecution hit in.

[00:25:30] And then many of them gave up.

[00:25:31] They left.

[00:25:32] And only a small section stood strong.

[00:25:35] So I was fascinated by what's making the difference.

[00:25:38] And I ran into two issues.

[00:25:40] They're hardly publicized.

[00:25:41] I'm happy I can share it here today.

[00:25:43] I'm glad you are.

[00:25:43] Yes.

[00:25:44] So the ones who stood strong,

[00:25:47] they had developed daily prayer life with individual prayers.

[00:25:52] So not reading from a prayer sheet, a prayer from a prayer book.

[00:25:55] No, their own personal prayers.

[00:25:56] That was one.

[00:25:57] And the other one, they had access to God's Word, to the Bible,

[00:26:01] and they were studying the Bible either on their own or in a small cell group.

[00:26:04] If you would have that combination,

[00:26:06] daily prayer life, personal prayer life,

[00:26:08] with access to God's Word, study of God's Word,

[00:26:11] then I guess the Holy Spirit would work in them.

[00:26:13] They would go strong in their faith.

[00:26:15] And when persecution would be there,

[00:26:17] they would not give up.

[00:26:18] They would stay strong for Jesus.

[00:26:20] So ever since I discovered that,

[00:26:22] I have been promoting within the ministries I have been working with,

[00:26:25] but also advising other ministries,

[00:26:28] make sure you are not only trying to bring the gospel to seekers,

[00:26:33] but turn them into real disciples.

[00:26:35] It's a commandment of Jesus, but also it will strengthen the body.

[00:26:40] Well said.

[00:26:41] You know, as an individual,

[00:26:42] it's written two books on the subject of Islam,

[00:26:44] and I've always looked at what were some of the things

[00:26:47] that caused a Muslim to become a Christian.

[00:26:49] One, of course, is the love of God,

[00:26:51] because they don't really have that sense with the idea of Allah.

[00:26:54] And the other is, of course, eternal security,

[00:26:56] that they can know that they have salvation.

[00:26:58] But I'm going to add to that,

[00:26:59] if you'll allow me to borrow that,

[00:27:00] the next time I teach on it,

[00:27:01] that then what keeps them strong is this prayer life,

[00:27:05] a very important prayer life,

[00:27:07] and, of course, access to God's word.

[00:27:08] So those are important parts of that.

[00:27:11] And it is kind of interesting,

[00:27:12] because you do see conversions taking place.

[00:27:15] Matter of fact,

[00:27:15] they now are suggesting that we've had more conversions in the Islamic world

[00:27:20] in the last 50 years,

[00:27:22] compared to the previous 1,400 years combined.

[00:27:26] But persecution comes.

[00:27:28] Sometimes faith gets stronger.

[00:27:30] The wheat seems to grow better among the tares sometimes.

[00:27:33] But then also some fall away.

[00:27:35] Now, Jesus warned us about that.

[00:27:37] But what can we do to strengthen them?

[00:27:39] And again, it brings us back to one of the things that you're involved with.

[00:27:42] You're the coordination and the coordinator of Bible distribution.

[00:27:46] And the more Bibles we can put in the hands of individuals,

[00:27:49] the more likely they are to grow into disciples, aren't they?

[00:27:53] Absolutely.

[00:27:53] It's really my passion from many years ago

[00:27:56] to make the Bible available.

[00:27:58] There is so much joy when you can make the book available.

[00:28:04] And especially for Muslims,

[00:28:07] this year I remember a handful of occasions

[00:28:10] where people had received the New Testament

[00:28:12] maybe one, two, three or four years ago.

[00:28:14] At that time, they were not really interested.

[00:28:17] But because they still look at the New Testament

[00:28:19] as some kind of holy book,

[00:28:21] they didn't dare to throw it away.

[00:28:22] So it was placed somewhere in the cabinet.

[00:28:25] And then when something happens in their life

[00:28:28] and they all of a sudden remember,

[00:28:29] hey, we have this injury, we have the New Testament,

[00:28:31] and they start to read.

[00:28:32] And then, boom,

[00:28:33] they may come to a living faith in Jesus Christ.

[00:28:36] It's so good because they are told to actually read the before books.

[00:28:40] And that's the case.

[00:28:41] And they're to learn about Jesus.

[00:28:42] And they understand that Jesus was a prophet,

[00:28:45] a sinless prophet.

[00:28:46] And so there's always a curiosity there.

[00:28:49] And I think also we're seeing more and more Muslims,

[00:28:51] we both, that are just simply saying,

[00:28:53] is this what I believe?

[00:28:54] I mean, we're seeing terrorism.

[00:28:56] We're seeing the way in which women are treated and everything.

[00:28:59] There must be something better.

[00:29:01] And then they come to the gospel.

[00:29:02] So that is certainly the case.

[00:29:04] What about those maybe in communist countries?

[00:29:06] Because for so long,

[00:29:07] they've been beaten down with this atheistic secularism.

[00:29:11] How can we help them?

[00:29:12] Or what are some of the issues they need to address?

[00:29:14] Well, let me give you an example.

[00:29:17] A good friend of mine,

[00:29:19] a Dutchman who is now living in Tacoma,

[00:29:24] he was part of the special project of Open Doors

[00:29:27] way back in history in the early 80s,

[00:29:29] bringing one million Bibles into China.

[00:29:32] And his dream was that one day

[00:29:34] he would meet a Chinese believer

[00:29:35] who had received one of those one million Bibles.

[00:29:38] Decades passed by, nothing happened.

[00:29:40] But he faithfully kept having this prayer.

[00:29:42] And then one of his Open Doors colleagues

[00:29:44] was doing a speaking tour in the western part of Canada,

[00:29:48] just north of Washington State where he was living.

[00:29:51] So he said, ah, I can be your driver.

[00:29:52] I can take you around.

[00:29:53] So they traveled together.

[00:29:54] They're in Vancouver.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:55] Yes, exactly.

[00:29:55] Fraser Valley.

[00:29:56] Exactly.

[00:29:56] So at the end of the speaking engagement

[00:29:59] in the city of Vancouver,

[00:30:01] the guy is talking in general about persecution.

[00:30:05] And my friend is waiting for the guy

[00:30:08] to drive him back to his hotel.

[00:30:09] And then a lady comes forward.

[00:30:10] She says, well, thank you very much

[00:30:12] for your speech on persecution,

[00:30:14] on the situation in China.

[00:30:16] Can I introduce you to my friend?

[00:30:17] He is from Maine in China.

[00:30:18] So sure enough.

[00:30:19] So they shook hands.

[00:30:20] And then this lady asked this man,

[00:30:22] could you share your testimony with those friends?

[00:30:24] He said, that's fine.

[00:30:25] So this man said, I grew up in Maine in China

[00:30:28] as a communist, as an atheist.

[00:30:30] I didn't have any faith.

[00:30:32] And with that, I didn't have any hope.

[00:30:34] And because I didn't have any hope,

[00:30:36] I was ready to commit suicide.

[00:30:38] And I was really contemplating,

[00:30:40] am I going to kill myself?

[00:30:42] Yes or no.

[00:30:42] Life is senseless.

[00:30:43] However, he happened to have a very nice neighbor.

[00:30:46] So he thought, I trust my neighbor.

[00:30:48] My neighbor is a good person.

[00:30:50] I'm going to talk to her and ask her some counsel.

[00:30:52] So he put the question right in front of her.

[00:30:54] Should I kill myself?

[00:30:55] Isn't life useless?

[00:30:57] Isn't life meaningless?

[00:30:58] And she said, I can't decide for you

[00:31:00] if you're going to take your life, yes or no.

[00:31:02] I only have one question for you.

[00:31:04] Have you ever read the book which came out of the water?

[00:31:08] He said, I've never heard about such a book.

[00:31:10] He said, well, I have one.

[00:31:11] You can borrow mine.

[00:31:12] So she gave him one of those Project Pearl Bibles,

[00:31:15] which has been damaged a little bit

[00:31:16] when it was crossed over the sea.

[00:31:18] He read the New Testament.

[00:31:20] You can imagine what happened.

[00:31:22] He met Jesus.

[00:31:23] So no more plans to commit suicide.

[00:31:26] No.

[00:31:26] Instead, he wanted to be a spokesman for Jesus.

[00:31:29] That's how he ended up in Canada.

[00:31:31] That's where he was just finishing a Bible school.

[00:31:34] And when my friend met him,

[00:31:35] he was just a few weeks before going back to Maine and China

[00:31:38] as an evangelist for Christ.

[00:31:41] Back to your question,

[00:31:42] there is hope in God's work.

[00:31:44] When you can make God's word available,

[00:31:46] also to communists,

[00:31:47] to people with an atheist background,

[00:31:49] when they have an open mindset,

[00:31:51] and openly to read the Bible,

[00:31:53] then the Lord will speak through these people

[00:31:56] with his Holy Spirit.

[00:31:57] Very good.

[00:31:58] We're going to take a break,

[00:31:58] and when we come back,

[00:31:59] I just thought we'd talk a little bit about this idea

[00:32:01] of secular intolerance,

[00:32:02] because certainly you've seen that in the Netherlands,

[00:32:05] and I've traveled to Europe as well,

[00:32:08] and I've seen a lot of it there.

[00:32:10] And whether it was former communist countries

[00:32:13] that are now maybe being more open,

[00:32:16] or countries in other parts of the world

[00:32:19] that have been open,

[00:32:21] that are going the other direction.

[00:32:22] Years ago, when I was teaching in Hungary,

[00:32:24] I had one student come up to me and said,

[00:32:26] Mr. Anderson, I don't want to hurt your feelings,

[00:32:27] but when I look at my country here of Hungary,

[00:32:31] it really feels like it is going from darkness to light.

[00:32:34] When I look at your country,

[00:32:36] it seems like it's going from light to darkness.

[00:32:38] And I think we want to talk about that as well.

[00:32:41] But let me, as we go to a break, once again,

[00:32:44] encourage you to click on that button there

[00:32:45] that shows, again, some of the information

[00:32:48] that is available through frontlinesinternational.org.

[00:32:52] There's a place in which you can find out

[00:32:54] a little bit more about the need,

[00:32:55] the solution, the approach.

[00:32:57] We've talked a little bit about, of course,

[00:32:59] sowing God's word.

[00:33:01] At least talked a little bit about training,

[00:33:04] church growth, which is there as well.

[00:33:06] And as we mentioned, don't have a newsletter,

[00:33:09] but they do have a bulletin that goes out.

[00:33:11] So if you would like to find out a little bit more,

[00:33:14] you can click on that button that says find more.

[00:33:16] There's all sorts of frequently asked questions there.

[00:33:19] There's a way in which you can sign up,

[00:33:21] and I think you would certainly benefit from this.

[00:33:23] And as I said, just as we were coming to the break last hour,

[00:33:26] it is worth mentioning that you may know some people

[00:33:29] that would benefit from this conversation.

[00:33:32] And I hope that you'll take the time that on the front page

[00:33:35] for Point of View,

[00:33:36] you'll click on that button that says watch or listen,

[00:33:39] pass it on to them so they can listen to this as well.

[00:33:42] We'll come back and talk a little bit about this secular intolerance.

[00:33:46] All that coming up right after this.

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[00:34:01] Back for a few more minutes.

[00:34:02] We're going to spend some time today

[00:34:03] just talking about secular intolerance.

[00:34:05] But again, we have a link to frontlinesinternational.org.

[00:34:08] Of course, you can find all of that at our website,

[00:34:11] pointofview.net.

[00:34:12] When we talk about secular intolerance,

[00:34:14] we're really talking about the attempt

[00:34:15] to just push Christianity out of the public sphere

[00:34:19] and to say, well, if you want to have your faith,

[00:34:21] it can be a private faith,

[00:34:22] but it cannot be publicly engaging.

[00:34:25] And that's a real problem

[00:34:26] because Jesus told us to be the salt of the earth

[00:34:29] and the light of the world.

[00:34:35] There is kind of a lower level persecution

[00:34:37] with a lowercase p right here in the Western world,

[00:34:41] isn't there?

[00:34:41] Absolutely.

[00:34:42] You're spot on.

[00:34:43] And also your description of secular intolerance

[00:34:45] is really strong.

[00:34:46] Now, to us, it's a very concerning development.

[00:34:49] We see it happening in many Western European countries.

[00:34:52] We're seeing it happening in North America,

[00:34:54] in Canada, in the United States as well.

[00:34:57] To give you one example,

[00:34:58] a good friend of mine has a daughter.

[00:35:00] She's brilliant.

[00:35:01] She's very smart.

[00:35:02] She's a very committed, conservative,

[00:35:06] Bible-based believer.

[00:35:08] When she went to university,

[00:35:10] she was nervous about being open

[00:35:12] about her faith in Jesus Christ.

[00:35:14] And she decided,

[00:35:15] I'm not going to rock the boat.

[00:35:16] I have to be quiet.

[00:35:17] When she finished studies and she did really well,

[00:35:20] she was very, very smart.

[00:35:21] The university offered her a job

[00:35:23] and she accepted the job.

[00:35:24] And still, she was fearful

[00:35:27] about really professing her faith

[00:35:28] openly, publicly and talking about Jesus.

[00:35:31] Years passed by.

[00:35:32] Then she got an honor.

[00:35:33] She was appointed as a professor.

[00:35:36] And then she said,

[00:35:37] now I feel safe enough to come out

[00:35:40] and to profess my faith in Jesus Christ.

[00:35:42] This is not a story in an Islamic country.

[00:35:45] This is not a story in a communist country.

[00:35:47] This is happening right here.

[00:35:54] This is a trading company.

[00:35:56] Sorry, a trading nation.

[00:35:57] So it's easy to set up a company in my country.

[00:36:00] You go to the Chamber of Commerce,

[00:36:01] you pay $25 and you're in.

[00:36:03] Easy.

[00:36:03] But then the next thing,

[00:36:04] when you have your own company,

[00:36:05] you need to have a bank account.

[00:36:07] So guess what happened?

[00:36:08] I went to the bank.

[00:36:09] We have been a client with for over 30 years.

[00:36:12] And I was trying to open up an account with my bank.

[00:36:16] So the first page is personal information,

[00:36:18] is the business information.

[00:36:19] It's easy.

[00:36:19] You fill it in.

[00:36:20] You're done.

[00:36:21] Then there was a second page.

[00:36:22] The second page had four questions.

[00:36:25] Guess what?

[00:36:25] Question number one,

[00:36:26] are you involved in legal prostitution?

[00:36:30] Secondly,

[00:36:30] are you involved in legal arms trade?

[00:36:33] The third one,

[00:36:35] are you involved in legal sales of narcotics?

[00:36:38] And the fourth question was,

[00:36:39] are you involved in international aid?

[00:36:42] Well, there you go.

[00:36:43] There you go.

[00:36:44] Exactly.

[00:36:44] So being a Christian working for ministries,

[00:36:47] yes,

[00:36:47] I am involved in providing international aid on a global scale,

[00:36:52] making Bibles available,

[00:36:53] training available,

[00:36:54] anything you name it there.

[00:36:55] So I had to tick that box.

[00:36:57] Then the system blocked me.

[00:36:59] I could not have a bank account.

[00:37:00] I needed to have a conversation with a manager at the headquarters in Amsterdam.

[00:37:04] I had a conversation.

[00:37:06] We had a second conversation.

[00:37:08] And then only after seven weeks,

[00:37:09] after a lot of bargaining,

[00:37:10] I finally got a bank account.

[00:37:13] Right now,

[00:37:13] in the Netherlands,

[00:37:15] if you open up a new charity,

[00:37:17] it's extremely difficult to get a bank account.

[00:37:20] So you see it in the financial sector.

[00:37:22] When you look to the educational system,

[00:37:27] what's being taught in public schools,

[00:37:29] in state schools,

[00:37:31] is just far away from biblical truths.

[00:37:34] And it's often being presented as the truth,

[00:37:37] whether it's really an opinion of current society,

[00:37:39] or maybe even of the lectures in front of the class.

[00:37:43] And that's a very,

[00:37:44] very disturbing development.

[00:37:45] I think so.

[00:37:46] And again,

[00:37:47] we see a lot of people that have been debanked.

[00:37:49] We see individuals that supported Brexit,

[00:37:51] for example,

[00:37:52] they're debanked.

[00:37:53] You have,

[00:37:54] of course,

[00:37:54] individuals that maybe are making available guns or ammunition.

[00:37:59] Even though we have a second amendment here,

[00:38:02] they become debanked.

[00:38:03] And so what you're seeing is that trend.

[00:38:06] And one of the reasons why almost every Friday,

[00:38:08] we do a session on religious liberty,

[00:38:12] and usually bring in Kelly Shackelford with First Liberty,

[00:38:15] or one of his individuals.

[00:38:16] By the way,

[00:38:17] they've won nine cases before the Supreme Court.

[00:38:20] The most recent one unanimously.

[00:38:22] That,

[00:38:22] I think,

[00:38:23] illustrates,

[00:38:23] again,

[00:38:24] why we think this is a key issue.

[00:38:26] because,

[00:38:27] again,

[00:38:27] God can do anything,

[00:38:29] certainly without the United States of America.

[00:38:31] But this has been a mission-sending organization,

[00:38:35] set of organizations that have come from this country,

[00:38:37] and from other countries in Western Europe.

[00:38:39] And this whole issue of secular intolerance is a real concern there as well.

[00:38:44] So,

[00:38:44] again,

[00:38:45] that's one of the reasons why we wanted to cover these kinds of topics as well.

[00:38:48] But just before we run out of time,

[00:38:50] only got a couple minutes left,

[00:38:52] talk about how people can get involved.

[00:38:54] Obviously,

[00:38:54] you want individuals to pray,

[00:38:56] but the best way to pray is to get your bulletin right.

[00:38:59] And then,

[00:39:00] also,

[00:39:01] they may want to get involved with you in terms of helping you in one of those countries,

[00:39:05] or certainly donating to your organization.

[00:39:07] So,

[00:39:08] how can they do so?

[00:39:09] Well,

[00:39:10] on the website,

[00:39:11] we have a bank account,

[00:39:12] and they can also easily choose what kind of project they prefer to support.

[00:39:17] If they like to support Bible distribution,

[00:39:19] you can tick that box.

[00:39:21] If you like to support discipleship training,

[00:39:24] you can tick that box.

[00:39:26] Then,

[00:39:26] we also have another category,

[00:39:28] emergency relief.

[00:39:29] As I mentioned before,

[00:39:30] many Christians are being kicked out of their houses,

[00:39:32] are running,

[00:39:33] have to run away,

[00:39:34] are forced to leave their places.

[00:39:35] We try to take care of them in their own region.

[00:39:38] So,

[00:39:38] we do not push Christians,

[00:39:40] we do not encourage Christians to go to America or Canada.

[00:39:43] No,

[00:39:44] our preference is to help them where they are.

[00:39:47] So,

[00:39:47] when we have to relocate them,

[00:39:48] we try to relocate them inside their own country.

[00:39:50] That can happen in Iraq,

[00:39:52] in Syria,

[00:39:52] in Nigeria,

[00:39:53] but they would stay in their own country.

[00:39:55] If they are forced to leave,

[00:39:57] then we try to take care of them in a neighboring country.

[00:40:00] But emergency relief is very important.

[00:40:02] You never know in advance how many people are being beaten up,

[00:40:05] how many people are losing their house because it's set on fire.

[00:40:08] So,

[00:40:08] that is a real need for us as a ministry.

[00:40:12] There's always more need than finances available.

[00:40:15] And,

[00:40:16] on this topic,

[00:40:17] secular and tolerance,

[00:40:18] we try to come alongside churches in America,

[00:40:21] and quite a number,

[00:40:22] I would say,

[00:40:23] of,

[00:40:23] let's say,

[00:40:24] Bible-based churches have opened the doors for us.

[00:40:27] So,

[00:40:27] we do come in with teachings how to deal with the issue of secular and tolerance as a church,

[00:40:32] how to respond,

[00:40:33] what does the Bible teach about dealing with the culture,

[00:40:36] how did Jesus deal with his culture in his time,

[00:40:39] how did the disciples deal with culture in their times,

[00:40:42] how did churches do under fascism,

[00:40:45] how did churches do under communism,

[00:40:47] how are churches surviving or maybe even thriving under Islam.

[00:40:50] There are many lessons to be learned,

[00:40:52] and we would love to share them here also in American churches.

[00:40:56] One more time,

[00:40:57] let's just mention that they can contact you in that contact button,

[00:41:00] and then you could actually be a speaker.

[00:41:02] So,

[00:41:02] let's encourage people to do that as well.

[00:41:04] And,

[00:41:05] if you've enjoyed the conversation here today,

[00:41:07] I think you would certainly enjoy to get to meet you and your wife.

[00:41:09] And,

[00:41:10] I also want to thank Ellen Grigsby,

[00:41:11] who came today to make this possible,

[00:41:14] good friend of this ministry as well.

[00:41:16] So,

[00:41:16] let me just say,

[00:41:17] we're just about out of time.

[00:41:17] And,

[00:41:18] if you noticed a minute ago,

[00:41:19] a gap,

[00:41:20] that was because we had a power failure,

[00:41:22] which was not created by us,

[00:41:24] but by this building that we're in,

[00:41:26] hopefully that will not be a problem for those of you that were listening.

[00:41:30] And,

[00:41:30] we're just very excited that you could certainly join with us today.

[00:41:33] So,

[00:41:34] we will thank you for being with us.

[00:41:35] You've actually been able to see all the kinds of things that happen behind the scenes here.

[00:41:39] So,

[00:41:39] that is the case.

[00:41:40] But,

[00:41:41] we're just running down to the last few minutes.

[00:41:43] And,

[00:41:43] so,

[00:41:43] I just thought I'd mention real quickly that if you found yourself saying,

[00:41:47] okay,

[00:41:48] I heard a few things I need to actually act upon.

[00:41:51] You can go to our website,

[00:41:53] pointofview.net.

[00:41:54] Of course,

[00:41:54] we have a link to Frontlines International.

[00:41:56] That will give you the information that you need there as well.

[00:41:59] But,

[00:41:59] I hope that you'll take the time to check out some of the organizations we've mentioned.

[00:42:03] And,

[00:42:04] of course,

[00:42:04] don't forget,

[00:42:04] we do have this thing called an election tomorrow.

[00:42:07] So,

[00:42:07] it's going to be important.

[00:42:09] If you have not voted,

[00:42:10] get the information we have available at our election central.

[00:42:14] And,

[00:42:15] of course,

[00:42:15] if you have voted,

[00:42:16] actually go and look for somebody that maybe isn't not going to vote,

[00:42:19] that shares your values,

[00:42:20] and have them to go and vote as well.

[00:42:23] We've been talking,

[00:42:24] of course,

[00:42:24] about persecution overseas,

[00:42:25] but we're also talking about secular intolerance in this country.

[00:42:29] And,

[00:42:29] there is a striking difference between some of the candidates that we've been talking about.

[00:42:35] So,

[00:42:35] I hope that you will certainly take the time to check that out.

[00:42:38] I want to thank Megan for her help engineering the program.

[00:42:40] Steve,

[00:42:40] thank you for introducing the program.

[00:42:41] And,

[00:42:42] we will look forward to seeing you tomorrow,

[00:42:44] right here,

[00:42:44] on Point of View.

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[00:42:56] But,

[00:42:57] today,

[00:42:58] well,

[00:42:58] today,

[00:42:59] it seems we almost can't trust anyone.

[00:43:02] Educators don't even know what a woman is anymore.

[00:43:05] Many so-called public servants have shown all they care about is themselves.

[00:43:10] The FBI has been accused of bias,

[00:43:13] law-breaking,

[00:43:14] betrayal,

[00:43:15] and journalism.

[00:43:16] It's largely corrupt,

[00:43:17] with no Clark Kent standing up for truth,

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