Point of View November 25, 2024 – Hour 1 : 11:21 Worship

[00:00:06] Live, this is Point of View.

[00:00:19] Thank you for joining me. It is the Monday edition of Point of View and let me just mention that this is Thanksgiving week so even though we will still talk about some of the things in the political arena before it's all through we'll get into some things which I think will minister to your heart as well as prepare you for this opportunity to be giving thanks later this weekend.

[00:00:40] Matter of fact, I might just mention that we do have a program in the next half hour in which we will be talking about worship music.

[00:00:48] We also have Senator Ted Budd with us in the second hour and that will be a very interesting conversation.

[00:00:55] Had a chance to hear him speak at the 100th anniversary of Dallas Theological Seminary.

[00:01:00] One of those individuals who has not only a background in business and works in the political realm but also has a seminary degree so we'll talk with him about that.

[00:01:09] Maybe get a little bit of an update on the storm recovery there in North Carolina.

[00:01:14] But I thought we'd begin by just reminding ourselves that we do live in a world where the economy is important.

[00:01:23] And my commentary for tomorrow is got the title Milton Friedman's Revenge in which if you're not familiar Milton Friedman was economist best known for saying that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.

[00:01:36] And it kind of relates to one of the articles I've posted for you today.

[00:01:41] One of those comes from the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal and the editors call it the architects of Bidenomics are in denial.

[00:01:50] They say election defeats are never easy to accept but the Bidenomics rear guard action now underway among Democratic economists takes the denial stage of grief to a whole new level.

[00:02:03] You might remember that we find that oftentimes when you get a difficult diagnosis or something happens first there's shock then there's denial.

[00:02:11] Well they're in the denial stage but this is unbelievable because the argument now coming from some of these economists is what the Biden administration did work just fine.

[00:02:21] And if you didn't like it the next administration the Trump administration will be worse.

[00:02:27] And of course the voters didn't quite accept that argument.

[00:02:30] And as a matter of fact the argument from the editors of the Wall Street Journal are that voters blamed President Biden and congressional Democrats because for example you had that $1.9 trillion American rescue plan which was passed on a party line vote back in March of 2021.

[00:02:50] And even liberal economists such as Larry Summers warned that it would be inflationary and that consumer prices after that began to rise very significantly.

[00:03:02] And that relates very much to of course a commentary recorded last week which you will see tomorrow that will be posted on that whole issue.

[00:03:10] Because as I point out Larry Summers not only an individual that is known as an economist but also served as the Treasury Secretary of Barack Obama later was the President of Harvard.

[00:03:22] You should have spent just a little bit more time listening to him but his warning about that was mocked yet he was right and the skeptics were wrong.

[00:03:32] And so we go into this whole issue of well how in the world can you then explain this rapid rise in prices with inflation if you are once again rejecting the idea that printing more money doesn't cause inflation.

[00:03:50] Because I think that's just sort of intuitively obvious isn't it?

[00:03:53] Well they said this body of individuals are saying well maybe it was this disruption from the pandemic.

[00:03:59] You know what that could have been part of it but that was sort of in the rear view mirror by the time some of this was taking place.

[00:04:07] And they in some respects are attempting to separate the supply side and the demand side of inflation.

[00:04:13] We'll go into the details but we have posted this for you to read if you'd like a little bit more.

[00:04:18] And then he says then the editors say well then the if you will economic revisionist try to argue well even if the Biden spending bills were inflationary it's they were worth doing because if we hadn't done that it would have been worse.

[00:04:35] And one of the people they quote is Jared Bernstein of the White House Council of Economic Advisors.

[00:04:40] Which if you've seen that video we've talked about it before doesn't give you a great deal of confidence in that individual.

[00:04:47] But again the editors the Wall Street Journal said voters saw through this argument too because they could remember what it was like when Donald Trump was president.

[00:04:56] In the pre-COVID economic growth and low unemployment without a spike in inflation.

[00:05:03] So this idea of there being a trade-off between inflation and employment didn't work very well.

[00:05:08] So anyways a three page article that appeared in the Wall Street Journal and if you don't have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal we make it possible for you to read it in its entirety.

[00:05:18] And if you maybe over the Thanksgiving table have some people saying you know this issue of inflation Biden was blamed for things that were not his fault.

[00:05:27] And I think you can really make the case that it was.

[00:05:30] And tomorrow's comment here I'm just giving you a preview is entitled Milton Friedman's Revenge.

[00:05:36] That was the title of a piece by Dominic Pino in which he said again the argument was that we heard early on when candidate Joe Biden said Milton Friedman isn't running the show anymore.

[00:05:51] And that's his way of saying we're not going to pay attention to how much money we print.

[00:05:56] We're not going to pay attention to the fact that when you print more dollars then those dollars in your purse, the dollars in your wallet, the dollars in your pocketbook are going to be worth less because you have more dollars chasing the same amount of goods and services.

[00:06:11] We're going to completely reject that idea.

[00:06:14] And so as a result, as we point out, first came the American Rescue Plan, which the editors of the Wall Street Journal point out.

[00:06:23] But then you have some others because the other day we were going through that list with Kelly Shackelford because you have the infrastructure law,

[00:06:30] which only part of that particular bill dealt with infrastructure.

[00:06:36] A lot of it simply was a payoff to some of various groups.

[00:06:41] You have the CHIPS Act.

[00:06:42] And then finally, you have the intentionally mislabeled Inflation Reduction Act,

[00:06:48] which Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders both admitted really was nothing more than a stripped down green New Deal.

[00:06:56] But we called it the Inflation Reduction Act because we knew that it would be easier to pass.

[00:07:03] And by that time, Democrats invented this word called Bidenomics.

[00:07:09] And of course, Bidenomics hasn't worked out so well.

[00:07:13] As a matter of fact, if you look at the exit polls, what I thought was so interesting is two-thirds of voters,

[00:07:19] that's 68 percent in exit polls agreed that the economy was either not good or poor.

[00:07:26] And so, in some respects, that was what you might call Milton Friedman's revenge.

[00:07:33] We'll come back and get into some other issues.

[00:07:35] As a matter of fact, my commentary today, which I will get back to after the break, is on deportations.

[00:07:41] Our original goal was to connect up with Jordan Sekulow.

[00:07:44] Haven't been able to connect up with him.

[00:07:46] He was going to spend some time talking about some of these cabinet appointments.

[00:07:50] We will cover that, I know, on Wednesday with a guest that I know is in studio.

[00:07:54] One advantage of having a guest in studio, you know they're there.

[00:07:58] Sometimes when you call somebody on the phone, you can't make a connection with them.

[00:08:01] And as a matter of fact, originally we had planned Senator Ted Budd to be on tomorrow, but he's on today.

[00:08:08] And of course, my favorite line you've heard me use many times before,

[00:08:11] members of Congress don't always control their lives.

[00:08:13] Apparently Jordan Sekulow doesn't control his life either, so we'll see if we can still get him on.

[00:08:18] If not, we have a lot to cover today.

[00:08:21] And we certainly will certainly do our best to educate you and kind of get you ready during this Thanksgiving week.

[00:08:27] Before it's all through, of course, we'll talk about the importance of being thankful

[00:08:31] and maybe teach a little bit of the history because we do have, once again,

[00:08:36] our Thanksgiving quiz that you can use around the Thanksgiving table.

[00:08:40] Let's take a break, though.

[00:08:41] We've got a lot more to cover.

[00:08:42] We'll do that right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] Donald Trump hasn't even been sworn into office, and yet governors in blue states and the legacy media

[00:09:07] are already criticizing a deportation program that hasn't even begun.

[00:09:11] Unfortunately, some of the comments aren't merely hostile but grossly inaccurate.

[00:09:15] If we're going to have a worthwhile debate about deportation, then let's get accurate facts on the table.

[00:09:21] First, Tom Homan, the newly designated border czar, has made his three-step process very clear.

[00:09:26] The primary focus will be the deportation of national security threats,

[00:09:30] with a secondary focus on individuals with a criminal record in this country or their country of origin.

[00:09:36] Second, there are more than 1.2 million people in this country illegally that have had full legal due process

[00:09:42] and have received a final deportation order from an immigration judge.

[00:09:46] These were numbers from September a year ago.

[00:09:49] The actual numbers may be close to 1.5 million to 1.6 million.

[00:09:54] Byron York points out in an ironic twist,

[00:09:57] the Trump administration may end up using the Mayorkas memorandum created by the current Secretary of Homeland Security

[00:10:03] in the Biden administration.

[00:10:04] The memo lays out the rules for deporting illegal immigrants.

[00:10:08] It sets as the first priority the apprehension and removal of non-citizens

[00:10:12] who are a threat to our national security, public safety, and border security.

[00:10:16] It explains that the first group were terrorists and spies.

[00:10:20] The second group were criminals.

[00:10:21] The third group are those who are a threat to border security.

[00:10:24] These would be immigrants who were apprehended after November 2020.

[00:10:28] Critics are already howling about the possibility of deportations,

[00:10:32] and the decibels are certain to increase.

[00:10:34] But Americans need to know that these first deportations will be the removal of people

[00:10:39] most of us don't want in this country.

[00:10:41] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:10:53] That's pointofview.net.

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[00:11:03] Back once again, Jordan Sekulow cannot join with us today because of an emergency,

[00:11:07] a minor emergency, not terrible, and so we hope we'll get him on tomorrow.

[00:11:12] And I guess it works out because we moved Senator Ted Budd from yesterday, tomorrow, to today,

[00:11:17] and we'll move him to tomorrow.

[00:11:19] So anyway, we'll figure out how that works out, and you don't need to know anymore.

[00:11:23] Those are the kind of things that happen behind the scenes,

[00:11:24] but I just thought I'd mention in case somebody was expecting to hear him,

[00:11:28] we'll probably talk with him tomorrow.

[00:11:30] One of my other articles that I thought we would talk about before we get into some of the interviews

[00:11:35] we will be doing today is a very good piece by Scott Hoganson about can we take back the English language now.

[00:11:42] It relates very much to something I talked about recently in terms of

[00:11:47] are we eventually going to get back to normal?

[00:11:49] Well, it's almost hard to figure out what normal is,

[00:11:52] but I have many times on this program said language is important.

[00:11:57] He who can define the terms often can win the debate.

[00:12:01] If you can say that a person who is pro-life has to be called by the media as anti-abortion,

[00:12:09] but a person who is for abortion can be described as pro-choice,

[00:12:13] you can see that referring to somebody who is against abortion as anti-abortion,

[00:12:19] but somebody who is for abortion is pro-choice,

[00:12:21] you can see how in some respects it skews the language a little bit,

[00:12:26] and there are many examples like that.

[00:12:29] That's perhaps one of the more obvious ones,

[00:12:31] and yet it's actually written into the Associated Press style manual and everything else.

[00:12:36] And Scott Hoganson says,

[00:12:37] You know, life comes at us in cycles.

[00:12:40] Relates very much to the historical cycles booklet I just put out.

[00:12:44] Tides rise and fall,

[00:12:45] moons wax and wane.

[00:12:47] And then he goes on with a smile on his face.

[00:12:49] One leading indicator is representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez'

[00:12:54] removal of her preferred pronouns from her ex-profile,

[00:12:58] a move he says so seismic that it made news in India

[00:13:02] and spawned many gags across the social and traditional media.

[00:13:05] He says,

[00:13:06] Okay, joking aside though,

[00:13:07] never underestimate the power of language,

[00:13:10] especially concerning politics, governance,

[00:13:13] and the ideologies behind it.

[00:13:15] Marxists, he says,

[00:13:17] pay a lot of attention to language,

[00:13:18] and we should too.

[00:13:19] Now, what I think he is illustrating

[00:13:22] is that sometimes words are used,

[00:13:25] and they, by using those words,

[00:13:28] give over the argument.

[00:13:29] And that is certainly one thing

[00:13:32] that we have to be careful of.

[00:13:34] On the one hand,

[00:13:35] I want to be gracious to individuals,

[00:13:36] and if they want to be called by a certain thing

[00:13:39] or they want to be identified by a certain label,

[00:13:42] and it's not just a completely bizarre request

[00:13:46] or one that is maybe deceptive,

[00:13:49] yeah, I will try to be as gracious as I can to individuals.

[00:13:53] But he gives us a short word list,

[00:13:55] and again, I won't go through all of them,

[00:13:57] but you can read it

[00:13:59] because I've posted it for you.

[00:14:00] But one of those that really never occurred to me

[00:14:03] is the word workers.

[00:14:04] He says, this is really,

[00:14:06] number one on my personal hit parade,

[00:14:09] communists yell, workers of the world unite.

[00:14:11] As a graduate student who,

[00:14:13] as I took a class on Marxism,

[00:14:16] had to read Marx and Lenin,

[00:14:18] well, Marx, yeah,

[00:14:19] Marx and Lenin and Stalin and Mao,

[00:14:21] and then some of the more contemporary Marxists as well,

[00:14:24] I'm very familiar with that.

[00:14:25] And his point is,

[00:14:27] people who have jobs in China,

[00:14:29] North Korea,

[00:14:29] elsewhere can call themselves workers if they like,

[00:14:32] but Americans are not workers.

[00:14:35] But that's kind of, you know,

[00:14:36] that maybe is something to think about.

[00:14:38] They're employees,

[00:14:39] they're staff,

[00:14:40] they're trade professionals,

[00:14:41] they're journeymen,

[00:14:42] they're craftsmen,

[00:14:43] they're contractors,

[00:14:43] but stop reducing people

[00:14:45] to this kind of leftist idea.

[00:14:49] Really hadn't thought about that one,

[00:14:51] but that's kind of top on his list.

[00:14:53] Workers rather than employees.

[00:14:55] So something to think about.

[00:14:57] Another one,

[00:14:58] which we've talked about before

[00:14:59] with Nancy Piercy,

[00:15:01] toxic masculinity.

[00:15:03] He says arsenic is toxic,

[00:15:05] lead is toxic,

[00:15:07] masculinity is not toxic.

[00:15:10] Masculinity means being a stand-up guy,

[00:15:12] a mensch,

[00:15:13] a regular Joe.

[00:15:14] Then he does give you some examples

[00:15:16] of some individuals

[00:15:17] that are obviously perverted,

[00:15:21] criminal,

[00:15:22] whatever,

[00:15:23] boorish individuals,

[00:15:25] but just because an individual

[00:15:27] shows masculinity,

[00:15:29] especially if it's a biblically-based masculinity,

[00:15:32] we should applaud that,

[00:15:34] not label that as toxic masculinity.

[00:15:38] Then we get into some

[00:15:39] that kind of get us into the trans issue.

[00:15:42] Biological men.

[00:15:43] He says men are not biological men,

[00:15:47] they're just men.

[00:15:48] And if he has the requisite number of chromosomes,

[00:15:51] he's a man.

[00:15:52] And stop using these five-syllable modifiers

[00:15:56] and all of that.

[00:15:57] And then he says biological women,

[00:15:59] IBID,

[00:16:00] same thing.

[00:16:00] So,

[00:16:01] again,

[00:16:02] that's all of the trans material.

[00:16:05] Then chest feeding is another one.

[00:16:07] Again,

[00:16:08] only a science denier would say this.

[00:16:11] The chest is part of a body

[00:16:12] between the neck and the abdomen.

[00:16:14] Chest do not lactate.

[00:16:15] Lactation is accomplished by mammal-arrogans.

[00:16:19] And we'll go into all the details there.

[00:16:20] And you know exactly what we're talking about there.

[00:16:22] One more that gets us

[00:16:24] into the trans issue,

[00:16:26] assigned at birth.

[00:16:28] Now,

[00:16:29] that's not just a word,

[00:16:30] that's a phrase,

[00:16:31] but still,

[00:16:32] I get the point.

[00:16:33] He says,

[00:16:33] I don't care how many degrees somebody has,

[00:16:35] nobody assigns a sex to a newborn baby.

[00:16:38] They already have one.

[00:16:39] That is so obvious

[00:16:40] that you can spot it

[00:16:41] before they even

[00:16:44] smacked on the bottom,

[00:16:45] as he says there,

[00:16:46] and all the rest.

[00:16:47] And birthing persons.

[00:16:48] That's another one I guess

[00:16:49] we could put into that category.

[00:16:51] Can we stop denigrating women?

[00:16:55] I love women.

[00:16:56] I'm married to one.

[00:16:56] I helped make another one.

[00:16:58] Only women get pregnant,

[00:17:00] have babies.

[00:17:00] And again,

[00:17:01] some of these phrases

[00:17:03] that have made its way

[00:17:05] into the American lexicon

[00:17:07] are really giving over

[00:17:10] to some of the trans ideas.

[00:17:12] And he says,

[00:17:13] you know,

[00:17:14] now it's time

[00:17:15] for some of this to stop.

[00:17:16] Then he takes on

[00:17:17] a couple other words.

[00:17:18] Equity.

[00:17:19] That unfortunately

[00:17:20] is a word that

[00:17:21] many times

[00:17:22] for people

[00:17:23] means equality.

[00:17:25] I can point you

[00:17:26] to Bible passages

[00:17:28] where modern translations

[00:17:30] oftentimes use

[00:17:31] the word equity

[00:17:32] as a synonym

[00:17:34] to equality.

[00:17:35] But that's not

[00:17:36] how it's being used today.

[00:17:38] And he goes on

[00:17:38] to say,

[00:17:39] life isn't fair.

[00:17:40] It never has been.

[00:17:41] It never will be.

[00:17:42] We don't have to like it.

[00:17:44] We just have to accept it.

[00:17:45] We're not equal

[00:17:46] in talents,

[00:17:47] interests,

[00:17:47] and motivation.

[00:17:48] So we have

[00:17:48] different outcomes.

[00:17:50] Equal outcome.

[00:17:52] Well, no.

[00:17:53] Equal opportunity, yes.

[00:17:55] Equal outcome, no.

[00:17:57] And then he takes on

[00:17:58] just a couple more

[00:17:58] and then we'll move on.

[00:18:00] Gender.

[00:18:00] Social scientists

[00:18:01] scribble thousands

[00:18:02] of words explaining gender,

[00:18:03] but it's pretty simple.

[00:18:05] It used to be, again,

[00:18:07] sex and gender

[00:18:08] meant the same thing.

[00:18:09] But again,

[00:18:10] that shows you

[00:18:11] how some of that

[00:18:12] has been changed.

[00:18:13] And notice how many

[00:18:15] of these have to do

[00:18:16] with something

[00:18:17] related to the

[00:18:18] trans issue.

[00:18:20] And you can get

[00:18:21] yourself shouted down

[00:18:22] as one was

[00:18:23] the other day

[00:18:24] and CNN

[00:18:25] just talking about

[00:18:26] men who are

[00:18:27] actually participating

[00:18:29] in women's sports

[00:18:30] just by referring to them

[00:18:32] as biological men

[00:18:33] in women's sports.

[00:18:34] You can't call that.

[00:18:35] You've got to call them

[00:18:35] trans women.

[00:18:36] It just shows you

[00:18:37] how insane it is.

[00:18:39] But a couple more

[00:18:40] real quickly.

[00:18:41] Existential threat.

[00:18:43] He says,

[00:18:44] aside from

[00:18:44] Vladimir Putin

[00:18:45] nuking Ukraine

[00:18:48] or an earthbound

[00:18:51] meteor

[00:18:51] the size of

[00:18:52] the AT&T

[00:18:54] stadium complex,

[00:18:55] almost nothing

[00:18:56] is an existential

[00:18:58] threat to this

[00:18:59] planet.

[00:19:00] And that includes

[00:19:01] weather.

[00:19:02] And again,

[00:19:03] I have sometimes

[00:19:04] wondered when

[00:19:05] these words

[00:19:06] get used so much

[00:19:07] whether people

[00:19:08] even understand

[00:19:09] what they're

[00:19:10] actually saying

[00:19:11] when they use

[00:19:12] phrases like

[00:19:13] existential threat.

[00:19:15] A couple more

[00:19:16] real quickly.

[00:19:17] Living my truth.

[00:19:18] Well, we've talked

[00:19:19] about that before.

[00:19:20] You know, you have

[00:19:20] your truth and

[00:19:21] I have my truth.

[00:19:22] I'll give you a

[00:19:23] preview for those

[00:19:23] of you that actually

[00:19:25] receive our booklets.

[00:19:27] And how do you

[00:19:27] receive a booklet?

[00:19:28] Let me remind you

[00:19:29] again, if you're part

[00:19:30] of the truth team,

[00:19:31] it's a dollar a day,

[00:19:32] $30 a month or more.

[00:19:35] You actually will

[00:19:36] receive not only the

[00:19:37] Outlook magazine,

[00:19:38] but also the

[00:19:39] booklets.

[00:19:39] The one coming for

[00:19:40] January, hasn't been

[00:19:42] mailed yet, is on

[00:19:44] post-modernism.

[00:19:45] And that whole idea

[00:19:47] of living your truth

[00:19:48] and my truth.

[00:19:49] And then, of course,

[00:19:50] one that you probably

[00:19:51] would imagine because

[00:19:51] of the issue of

[00:19:52] immigration, undocumented

[00:19:54] migrants.

[00:19:56] Anybody who's not an

[00:19:57] American citizen is an

[00:19:58] alien.

[00:19:59] And if you don't like

[00:20:00] that term, and I have

[00:20:02] people calling in all

[00:20:03] the time saying,

[00:20:03] I don't like that

[00:20:04] term, well then take

[00:20:05] it up with the

[00:20:06] federal government

[00:20:06] because it turns out

[00:20:08] that according to

[00:20:11] section 1325, that is

[00:20:13] exactly what it is.

[00:20:15] You are described as

[00:20:16] an alien who enters

[00:20:17] this country or even

[00:20:19] tries to enter this

[00:20:21] country improperly.

[00:20:23] And that's why the law

[00:20:24] calls them illegal

[00:20:25] aliens.

[00:20:26] And if you think that

[00:20:27] term is a faulty

[00:20:29] term, then change the

[00:20:31] law.

[00:20:32] I left out a few

[00:20:33] others, but you can

[00:20:34] read those as well.

[00:20:35] And just a good

[00:20:36] illustration of the

[00:20:36] fact that in some

[00:20:38] respects we need to

[00:20:39] clean up our language.

[00:20:41] I'm not just talking

[00:20:42] about the swearing

[00:20:43] that takes place.

[00:20:43] That's certainly

[00:20:44] something that needs

[00:20:45] to be cleaned up as

[00:20:46] well.

[00:20:47] But also clean up our

[00:20:48] language by having

[00:20:49] accurate terms to

[00:20:51] describe real

[00:20:52] phenomenon.

[00:20:53] And if nothing else,

[00:20:54] it's just a reminder

[00:20:55] by Scott Hoganson.

[00:20:57] Can we take back our

[00:20:59] English language now?

[00:21:01] One would hope so.

[00:21:02] But a lot of that has

[00:21:04] to do with the culture.

[00:21:05] Just because you

[00:21:06] elected a different set

[00:21:08] of individuals for the

[00:21:09] presidency and

[00:21:10] Congress and even

[00:21:11] governor's offices and

[00:21:13] state senators and

[00:21:14] state representatives, a

[00:21:16] lot of that takes place

[00:21:16] in culture.

[00:21:17] But we can start with

[00:21:19] making sure that our

[00:21:20] language is based upon

[00:21:22] truth rather than some

[00:21:24] of these false ideas.

[00:21:25] Let's take a break

[00:21:26] though.

[00:21:26] We have a lot more to

[00:21:27] cover.

[00:21:27] We'll do that right

[00:21:28] after this.

[00:21:30] It almost seems like we

[00:21:31] live in a different world

[00:21:33] from many people in

[00:21:34] positions of authority.

[00:21:35] They say men can be

[00:21:37] women and women men.

[00:21:39] People are prosecuted

[00:21:40] differently or not at all

[00:21:42] depending on their

[00:21:43] politics.

[00:21:44] Criminals are more valued

[00:21:46] and rewarded than law

[00:21:47] abiding citizens.

[00:21:49] It's so overwhelming, so

[00:21:51] demoralizing.

[00:21:52] You feel like giving up.

[00:21:54] But we can't.

[00:21:55] We shouldn't.

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[00:21:57] As Winston Churchill said

[00:21:59] to Britain in the darkest

[00:22:00] days of World War II,

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is

[00:23:11] Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:12] We're going to spend some

[00:23:13] time talking about

[00:23:14] World Challenges 1121

[00:23:15] worship.

[00:23:16] And maybe to give you

[00:23:17] some background, when I

[00:23:18] was in graduate school

[00:23:19] many years ago up in the

[00:23:21] Northeast, I had already

[00:23:22] had seen the film

[00:23:23] Crossing the Switchblade,

[00:23:25] which was a story of

[00:23:26] David Wilkerson and

[00:23:27] Nicky Cruz.

[00:23:28] Got a chance to hear

[00:23:29] David Wilkerson on a

[00:23:30] number of different

[00:23:31] occasions.

[00:23:31] I actually was in

[00:23:33] events with Nicky Cruz

[00:23:34] and all the rest.

[00:23:36] And so, the legacy of

[00:23:37] David Wilkerson and

[00:23:39] World Challenge is

[00:23:40] something that many of

[00:23:41] us who are older might

[00:23:42] remember.

[00:23:43] But I thought it would be

[00:23:44] good for you to know

[00:23:45] kind of the next step.

[00:23:47] And that is the fact

[00:23:48] that you have 1121

[00:23:50] worship, which is part

[00:23:52] of the global ministry

[00:23:53] of World Challenge.

[00:23:54] And I bring two

[00:23:56] individuals to the

[00:23:57] microphone to give us

[00:23:58] some perspective.

[00:23:59] The founder and leader

[00:24:00] of 1121 Worship,

[00:24:01] Kelly Wilkerson, is

[00:24:03] also, of course, the

[00:24:03] vice president of World

[00:24:04] Challenge.

[00:24:05] She has three solo

[00:24:06] albums, which we'll

[00:24:07] talk about in just a

[00:24:08] minute.

[00:24:09] And so, Kelly, I

[00:24:10] appreciate you joining

[00:24:11] us today here on

[00:24:12] Point of View.

[00:24:13] Well, Kirby, thank

[00:24:14] you for having us.

[00:24:15] We're privileged to be

[00:24:17] with you.

[00:24:17] Thank you.

[00:24:18] I might also mention

[00:24:19] another leader in the

[00:24:20] modern worship movement

[00:24:21] is Jared Anderson.

[00:24:23] His songs include such

[00:24:25] things as Amazed, Rescue,

[00:24:27] Great I Am, a member

[00:24:28] of the New Life

[00:24:29] Worship and Desperation

[00:24:31] Band.

[00:24:31] And so, Jared, it's

[00:24:32] great to have you with

[00:24:33] us as well.

[00:24:34] Thank you, Kirby.

[00:24:35] Appreciate that.

[00:24:36] Well, let's see what

[00:24:37] we can.

[00:24:37] First of all, give

[00:24:37] some people some

[00:24:38] background.

[00:24:39] Kelly, I think you're

[00:24:39] probably the natural

[00:24:40] person to go to.

[00:24:42] World Challenge, of

[00:24:43] course, was founded

[00:24:44] back in 1971 by

[00:24:45] David Wilkerson.

[00:24:46] I was living in

[00:24:48] Connecticut, but

[00:24:49] oftentimes would go to

[00:24:50] New York, and I was

[00:24:50] familiar with a lot of

[00:24:52] that.

[00:24:52] Of course, many

[00:24:53] people might remember

[00:24:54] his book, The Cross

[00:24:54] and the Switchblade, or

[00:24:56] may have seen the

[00:24:57] film.

[00:24:57] But talk a little bit

[00:24:58] more about World

[00:24:59] Challenge, because for

[00:25:00] our younger audience, this

[00:25:02] might be new information

[00:25:03] to them.

[00:25:04] Oh, sure.

[00:25:05] Yeah, I'd love to.

[00:25:07] Yeah, World Challenge is

[00:25:08] over 50 years old.

[00:25:09] We are about 53 now,

[00:25:12] celebrating 53 years of

[00:25:14] ministry.

[00:25:14] It was started by, as

[00:25:15] you mentioned, my

[00:25:16] father-in-law, David

[00:25:17] Wilkerson.

[00:25:18] I'm married to Gary, his

[00:25:20] eldest son.

[00:25:21] We've been married for

[00:25:22] 46 years.

[00:25:23] So I started working at

[00:25:25] World Challenge when I

[00:25:26] was 18 in the mailroom.

[00:25:29] And so Gary and I were

[00:25:32] already dating at the time

[00:25:34] and engaged.

[00:25:35] And yeah, we're going

[00:25:38] strong.

[00:25:38] God has been blessing

[00:25:40] and revitalizing.

[00:25:41] We have two thrusts that

[00:25:46] we have in the ministry.

[00:25:47] One is message, and that

[00:25:49] of course is led by Gary,

[00:25:51] and we have a staff of

[00:25:53] pastors.

[00:25:54] And then the other is

[00:25:55] mission.

[00:25:55] And so we have a very

[00:25:59] strong mission influence

[00:26:01] around the world.

[00:26:02] So God is helping us to

[00:26:05] bring the church in

[00:26:07] unreached people groups and

[00:26:09] just doing miracles there.

[00:26:11] So we're thankful for

[00:26:12] that.

[00:26:12] And with the message,

[00:26:13] it's through podcasts,

[00:26:15] through a newsletter that

[00:26:16] goes out every three

[00:26:17] weeks, and then our

[00:26:20] pastors' conferences that

[00:26:21] we have right now, they're

[00:26:22] called Fire in Our

[00:26:23] Bones.

[00:26:24] And I just mentioned, as

[00:26:26] you just said, Gary

[00:26:27] Wilkerson is the

[00:26:28] president, and of course

[00:26:29] moving forward with some

[00:26:30] of the vision of the

[00:26:31] father.

[00:26:32] Jared, let me come to

[00:26:32] you because in some

[00:26:34] respects, those of us

[00:26:36] that work in the area of

[00:26:38] words recognize that

[00:26:39] mission.

[00:26:39] But I also have many

[00:26:41] people on the program,

[00:26:42] including some of the

[00:26:43] individuals on the other

[00:26:44] side of the glass that

[00:26:45] use music as an outreach.

[00:26:47] Talk about that, because

[00:26:48] that seems to be another

[00:26:49] very effective mission

[00:26:51] outreach function.

[00:26:53] And talk about how that is

[00:26:54] actually implemented each

[00:26:55] day.

[00:26:57] Okay.

[00:26:58] Yeah, sure.

[00:26:58] We started 1121

[00:27:00] worship, which is from

[00:27:03] Hebrews 1121.

[00:27:03] By faith, Jacob prayed for

[00:27:07] the sons of Joseph, and

[00:27:08] then he bowed in worship.

[00:27:10] So that encourages us, me

[00:27:15] especially, because I am the

[00:27:17] older top tier in the group.

[00:27:19] So just to be able to pray

[00:27:23] for the next generation and

[00:27:24] then to have an example of

[00:27:29] what worship looks like.

[00:27:31] And prayerfully, you know,

[00:27:34] that it's honest, authentic,

[00:27:36] and full of humility, and

[00:27:39] just seeking the face of

[00:27:41] Jesus and beholding his

[00:27:42] beauty.

[00:27:44] I might just mention we do

[00:27:45] have a link to 1121

[00:27:46] worship.com.

[00:27:48] And Jared, let me come to

[00:27:49] you because I might mention

[00:27:51] both of you are in Colorado

[00:27:52] Springs, and of course we have

[00:27:53] listeners up there as well.

[00:27:54] But you have been able to

[00:27:56] produce quite a number of

[00:27:58] different songs that many

[00:27:59] people have probably been

[00:28:00] familiar with, and with those

[00:28:02] different recordings, you can

[00:28:04] maybe speak to how music can be

[00:28:06] another way to reach

[00:28:07] individuals.

[00:28:10] Yeah, it's a powerful tool that

[00:28:13] seems to transcend groups and

[00:28:17] even languages sometimes that

[00:28:20] moves the soul across years and

[00:28:25] continents and people groups.

[00:28:27] So it is profound.

[00:28:30] You know, one thing that you

[00:28:32] can write in the secret place

[00:28:34] or in the loft can have a

[00:28:39] profound impact, and I'm

[00:28:41] grateful to continue to seek

[00:28:43] and continue to find new

[00:28:46] outlets for that.

[00:28:49] This, if we can, maybe get you

[00:28:50] to speak for a little bit about

[00:28:52] the fact that you're in a

[00:28:53] position of leadership.

[00:28:54] What does that entail?

[00:28:56] Yeah, we work with a team to

[00:29:00] write and produce music that

[00:29:05] helps the body of Christ engage

[00:29:08] the face of God and behold, like

[00:29:10] Kelly said, behold his beauty.

[00:29:12] And then our team goes out to the

[00:29:14] different conferences and events

[00:29:17] that World Challenge hosts for

[00:29:20] Christian leaders.

[00:29:23] and here in Colorado Springs and

[00:29:26] around the country.

[00:29:27] So we're just trying to equip the

[00:29:30] believers and lead them humbly and

[00:29:36] with honesty that the message will go

[00:29:39] out in truth.

[00:29:42] Let me, if I can, maybe come back to

[00:29:43] Kelly for just a minute because I

[00:29:46] have looked at your bio and talks

[00:29:48] about the fact that you've been

[00:29:49] able to travel to more than 40

[00:29:50] nations teaching and singing.

[00:29:53] Talk about that for just a minute

[00:29:54] because it does seem to me that this

[00:29:57] is one that transcends.

[00:29:58] Sometimes contemporary Christian music,

[00:30:00] certain kinds of musical forms don't

[00:30:03] work as well.

[00:30:04] But worship music seems to transcend

[00:30:07] some of the cultural barriers.

[00:30:08] Is that what you found?

[00:30:10] Oh yeah, it's been awesome.

[00:30:12] So to be able to either be in

[00:30:16] Ireland and connect with a group

[00:30:19] there or in South Africa or even in

[00:30:22] the Philippines.

[00:30:23] We just recently got home from the

[00:30:25] Philippines and to be able to connect

[00:30:28] musically and share a hymn, you know,

[00:30:32] like how great they are.

[00:30:34] That is just such a foundational place

[00:30:37] for the Christian faith.

[00:30:39] And they know it and it's awesome.

[00:30:42] They'll sing in their language.

[00:30:44] While I'm singing in English, there is

[00:30:48] a song, it's a very, very easy chorus

[00:30:52] just to sing like You Deserve the Glory

[00:30:54] and in Slovakia and they're singing

[00:30:59] in their native tongue and I'm singing

[00:31:01] in English but we're joined in together.

[00:31:03] It's like being at the throne room of

[00:31:06] God with every tribe and every tongue.

[00:31:09] It's amazing how music, like Jared

[00:31:12] mentioned, it just goes right to the

[00:31:14] heart and soul of a person.

[00:31:16] And they engage with God on this level

[00:31:20] that transcends, you know, trying to

[00:31:24] convince somebody of something.

[00:31:26] They just know that they're loved by God

[00:31:28] and they respond with an open heart.

[00:31:31] It's beautiful.

[00:31:32] Well, again, I think we've all noticed that.

[00:31:34] Of course, I have as I've traveled.

[00:31:36] If you go to Spanish-speaking countries,

[00:31:38] I was just in Laredo, Texas, and there

[00:31:39] we were doing some things in English and

[00:31:41] Spanish.

[00:31:41] But when I travel, for example, to Hungary,

[00:31:44] I teach over there in Budapest, Hungary.

[00:31:46] When we do worship together, I will look up

[00:31:49] the screen and I have to admit, Hungarian is

[00:31:53] one of the more difficult languages to

[00:31:55] learn, but you know the language, your

[00:31:58] language, and I try to learn some of

[00:32:01] theirs.

[00:32:01] But even if we're singing in English and

[00:32:03] they're singing in Hungarian, it really

[00:32:06] binds you together in some very significant

[00:32:08] ways.

[00:32:09] So I wanted people to know that.

[00:32:11] We're coming up to a break.

[00:32:12] When we come back, I thought we might

[00:32:13] talk about a few of the various things

[00:32:16] that are available.

[00:32:16] There's a place, if you go to the

[00:32:17] website, 1121worship.com, there's a

[00:32:21] place where you can stream the music, all

[00:32:23] that is you at your table, rise again.

[00:32:26] But I understand that one of your most

[00:32:28] recent ones is Fire in Our Bones.

[00:32:30] I thought maybe I'd come back and have

[00:32:31] you talk a little bit about what is kind

[00:32:33] of the lyrics behind a couple of these

[00:32:36] songs just before we let you go.

[00:32:37] But if you are saying, I have never heard

[00:32:40] of 1121worship, we have a link on the

[00:32:43] website.

[00:32:44] Maybe some of you remember the World

[00:32:46] Challenge.

[00:32:46] You might remember David Wilkerson.

[00:32:48] You might remember some of the impact

[00:32:50] that that had many years ago and is still

[00:32:53] having an impact.

[00:32:53] I wanted you to know about that and to

[00:32:55] see, again, a real possibility of using

[00:32:59] both words and music and all sorts of

[00:33:01] outreaches to accomplish the Great

[00:33:04] Commission.

[00:33:04] So we're going to take a break.

[00:33:05] We'll come back.

[00:33:06] We'll spend a little bit more time

[00:33:08] talking with Kelly Wilkerson as well as

[00:33:11] Jared Anderson.

[00:33:12] And, of course, if you'd like to know

[00:33:13] more about either of them, maybe get

[00:33:15] their music or even have them come

[00:33:17] and involve in your particular

[00:33:20] outreach.

[00:33:20] We have all of that available at our

[00:33:22] website at pointofview.net or you can

[00:33:24] go to 1121worship.com.

[00:33:27] Let's take a break, though.

[00:33:28] We'll come back and talk for a few more

[00:33:29] minutes about that.

[00:33:30] And as a program note, let me just

[00:33:32] mention that top of the next hour,

[00:33:34] we'll be talking with Senator Ted Budd,

[00:33:36] senator from the great state of North

[00:33:38] Carolina.

[00:33:39] We'll be right back.

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[00:34:00] Back for a few more minutes, talking

[00:34:01] with Kelly Wilkerson and Jared Anderson.

[00:34:04] And, Jared, I thought I might come to

[00:34:05] you for just a minute because, as I

[00:34:07] understand, 1121 Worship's latest release

[00:34:10] is Fire in Our Bones.

[00:34:12] Can you tell us a little bit about the

[00:34:14] background of that particular song?

[00:34:18] Absolutely.

[00:34:18] We released that kind of in the vein of

[00:34:23] wanting to do these conferences called

[00:34:26] Fire in Our Bones.

[00:34:27] And it's like, well, what is our theme

[00:34:29] song?

[00:34:29] Can we write around that?

[00:34:31] So it really is kind of this minor rock

[00:34:36] and roll, like, heart cry is what I would

[00:34:40] say, is this passion for, like the

[00:34:46] scripture says, that his word is like a

[00:34:49] fire.

[00:34:49] It's a consuming fire.

[00:34:50] What does that sound like?

[00:34:52] What does that feel like?

[00:34:52] What direction do we take the passion that

[00:34:55] we have for God?

[00:34:57] So it's really, you know, acknowledging

[00:35:01] in the second verse, will we not be consumed?

[00:35:05] Will we not be the fools, misunderstood,

[00:35:09] strangers in the world, wholly set apart for

[00:35:12] you?

[00:35:13] It kind of bears to the, you know, believers in

[00:35:18] exile believing, you know, asking that the promise

[00:35:22] be restored.

[00:35:23] So it's a powerful one.

[00:35:27] Well, again, you've had quite a number of

[00:35:30] recordings.

[00:35:31] Of course, I mentioned Amazed, Rescue, Great I

[00:35:33] Am, as well as you had some music sets, Where to

[00:35:36] Begin, Live from My Church, The Narrow Road.

[00:35:39] It does seem to me, as I was talking with Kelly

[00:35:41] just a minute ago, that oftentimes the music

[00:35:45] goes beyond the head into the heart, maybe

[00:35:47] bypasses some of the skepticism, some of the

[00:35:50] resistance.

[00:35:51] And I suspect that as you have been engaged in

[00:35:54] many of the different worship opportunities,

[00:35:57] you've actually seen that unfold, haven't you?

[00:36:01] Yeah, there is, you know, art and beauty have a

[00:36:05] way of capturing the soul.

[00:36:08] And I think it takes all kinds of, the Spirit of God

[00:36:12] moves through our senses.

[00:36:15] He moves through our ears and our eyes and our

[00:36:17] bodies and our tastes, right?

[00:36:20] And this is the ministry that we communicate to one

[00:36:25] another and that we respond back to God with all of our

[00:36:31] senses.

[00:36:31] So we're responding in the way of the Scripture with all

[00:36:37] the tools that we have.

[00:36:39] I might just mention, too, for our listeners, you might

[00:36:42] remember that we produced a booklet called Imagination.

[00:36:46] It's done by my producer, Steve Miller.

[00:36:48] And we sent that out to you because we actually do believe

[00:36:52] that there are some very significant ways to minister.

[00:36:56] Oftentimes, when we talk about evangelism or apologetics, it's

[00:36:59] kind of a left hemisphere type of logical linear.

[00:37:03] But there is another very significant way to reach people as

[00:37:07] well, sort of a right hemisphere creative.

[00:37:10] And as Jared just pointed out, that's another illustration of

[00:37:13] that.

[00:37:14] Just before I let you go, though, Kelly, I thought I'd come

[00:37:16] back to you.

[00:37:17] We've been talking about the possibility that some people would

[00:37:20] like to stream your music.

[00:37:22] There's a possibility that they might want to even invite you to

[00:37:25] come and to participate.

[00:37:28] So talk about what happens if you do put together a worship

[00:37:32] program and maybe tell us how we can connect up with you in order

[00:37:35] to make that possible.

[00:37:38] Oh, wow.

[00:37:39] Thank you.

[00:37:40] Well, just to reach out to us here at worldchallenge.org.

[00:37:46] And more specifically, they can send an email to Jared.

[00:37:52] And we're happy to share that email address.

[00:37:56] And yeah, just let us know what you need.

[00:38:00] So we would love to connect with groups and peoples and do creative

[00:38:08] writing, do worship.

[00:38:10] I mean, it's so powerful when we get together and collaborate and we

[00:38:16] walk in unity.

[00:38:17] It is written where we dwell together in unity that God commands the

[00:38:21] blessing.

[00:38:23] And so it would be awesome to make some new friends that are in the

[00:38:28] family of God.

[00:38:29] Let me just mention that if you scroll down on the 1121worship.com,

[00:38:33] there's a place where you can subscribe.

[00:38:35] You can sign up to get some of the news and updates and information.

[00:38:40] And of course, you can also follow some of the links that we've already made

[00:38:43] available there.

[00:38:44] We have a link to both of your Facebook pages that will give information there

[00:38:49] as well.

[00:38:49] And so if you find yourself wanting to know a little bit more about 1121worship,

[00:38:54] you can go to the website and go to the Facebook page.

[00:38:56] Of course, we just mentioned World Challenge and all the rest.

[00:38:59] So there are some ways in which people can connect up with you.

[00:39:02] And if they bring you in, what is available?

[00:39:06] What might that look like if indeed you have a venue?

[00:39:10] It could be in a church.

[00:39:11] It could be in a civic auditorium.

[00:39:13] What does that entail?

[00:39:15] Can you explain that?

[00:39:16] Sure.

[00:39:18] We love to teach on the subject of worship and working as a team together,

[00:39:24] producing music.

[00:39:25] We also love to collaborate with folks, even in the songwriting process,

[00:39:30] and then also can host a night of worship.

[00:39:33] Sounds good.

[00:39:34] Well, I thank both of you for being a part of that.

[00:39:37] And I may have crossed paths with Gary Kelly at one point or another.

[00:39:42] I certainly crossed paths with David Wilkerson.

[00:39:45] Anyway, just great that you have both of you here today.

[00:39:49] And to give our listeners an opportunity to learn more about worship,

[00:39:54] learn more about 1121worship.

[00:39:55] And so I appreciate you joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:39:59] Oh, thank you for having us.

[00:40:01] Do I have a second to mention Rise Again?

[00:40:04] Please do.

[00:40:05] Okay, thank you.

[00:40:07] Yeah, Dallas Holmes wrote the song Rise Again,

[00:40:10] and he traveled with my father-in-law for 10 years or better.

[00:40:15] And so it was very special for 1121worship to cover Dallas' song Rise Again.

[00:40:24] And, yeah, it's such a powerful song, just, you know, bringing,

[00:40:31] like letting people hear from the heart of Jesus, you know,

[00:40:34] just saying, like, you can crucify me, you can nail me to the cross,

[00:40:37] you can mock me, but I'm here and I love you.

[00:40:41] And so God's redeeming love is available for everyone

[00:40:46] through the power of the cross and Jesus Christ.

[00:40:50] Yeah, Dallas Holmes, Rise Again.

[00:40:52] And I remember that, too.

[00:40:53] So some of us a little bit older remember some of those,

[00:40:55] and you've given it a new life as well.

[00:40:58] So both of you, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View

[00:41:01] and look forward to the next opportunity.

[00:41:04] Oh, thank you, Kirby.

[00:41:05] This has been a treat.

[00:41:06] Thank you.

[00:41:07] Again, Jared Anderson as well as Kelly Wilkerson,

[00:41:10] and you have all the information you possibly will need

[00:41:13] by simply going to the website, pointofview.net.

[00:41:16] Now, just as a program note, let me just mention U.S. Senator Ted Budd

[00:41:20] will be with us at the top of the hour,

[00:41:22] so I'm looking forward to that opportunity.

[00:41:24] Jordan Sekul is supposed to be with us.

[00:41:27] He'll be tomorrow.

[00:41:27] So they kind of just changed positions,

[00:41:29] and I think that'll work out just fine.

[00:41:31] But let me just mention, as we are going to the break,

[00:41:34] a couple of things.

[00:41:34] First of all, if you'd like to know a little bit more about some of the individuals

[00:41:38] we're interviewing today,

[00:41:39] you can find their links to their websites,

[00:41:43] their Facebook page, and all that on our website at pointofview.net.

[00:41:48] Next hour, I'll probably get into my viewpoints commentary,

[00:41:50] but you can find that one already in terms of deportations,

[00:41:54] because what I want to try to do is get some of the facts on the table,

[00:41:57] because there's been a lot of, I think,

[00:42:00] intentional misrepresentation about what is going to take place,

[00:42:03] and I think it's important for you to know what the real facts are.

[00:42:07] But as you go to the website, you'll notice something else.

[00:42:10] That is, we have a banner that says Giving Tuesday,

[00:42:14] because Giving Tuesday is right around the corner.

[00:42:16] That will be actually taking place a week from tomorrow.

[00:42:20] You might say, why are you covering it a week ahead of time?

[00:42:22] Because I know that I'll be lucky if I get anybody listening on Wednesday.

[00:42:26] I'll have even fewer people listening on Thursday and Friday,

[00:42:29] which will be tape programs anyway.

[00:42:31] Then we're back to next Monday.

[00:42:33] By the way, I'll have Jack Graham in studio.

[00:42:35] I think you'll really appreciate that conversation.

[00:42:37] And then we come to Giving Tuesday.

[00:42:38] It is an opportunity for you to give to this ministry,

[00:42:41] and so you might start thinking about what you would want to do to donate to this ministry.

[00:42:46] There is a donate button right now.

[00:42:48] You don't have to wait until December 3rd to make that donation.

[00:42:52] We certainly have a goal that we would like to achieve,

[00:42:56] and if you can help us out, that's a way of saying you appreciate the kind of programs we provide here on Point of View.

[00:43:03] Come back.

[00:43:03] We're going to talk to a United States Senator and then get into some other issues in the news.

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