Point of View November 22, 2024 – Hour 1 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Thank you for joining me. You're on again this very important program today. It is Weekend Edition and we are certainly thrilled that we have in studio with us, Penne Dexter and Kelly Shackelford.

[00:00:30] Going to be talking about a number of cases, one going to the Supreme Court, whether or not Donald Trump can really challenge the bureaucracy and that gets us into some discussion about Elon Musk and Vivek Ramachwamy,

[00:00:40] Cal Thomas, a piece on to vet or not to vet, which brings me to my first announcement before we get into some of the key issues.

[00:00:48] We ended the program yesterday. We said, of course, that Matt Gaetz had stepped down, but then very quickly Donald Trump chose Pam Bondi.

[00:00:57] And if you are not familiar with her, she is, of course, best known to many of our listeners in the Florida area.

[00:01:04] And I thought it was interesting that there have been many that are just as upset about her as anybody else.

[00:01:11] But let's give credit to at least CNN's Ellie Honig, who said Pat Bondi is without a question qualified to be an attorney general.

[00:01:20] She's been a prosecutor for 20 years in Florida. For right of those, she was an attorney general of the state.

[00:01:26] That's very big, a very complicated job. And that level of experience is on par with or better than most of the United States attorneys generals that we've seen over the past 50 years.

[00:01:37] So most everybody else has been critical, but let's give credit where credit is due.

[00:01:41] So, first of all, Penna Dexter, we have not seen you since the election.

[00:01:45] So I know you're going to have some things to say about that.

[00:01:47] Yeah, it almost feels like we're living in a different world and it's only been a couple of weeks or just a little bit more than that.

[00:01:55] But things have shifted so much and certainly there's some optimism.

[00:01:59] And there's also just a lot of work to be done now to populate the administration and just to begin to make some changes.

[00:02:09] And, you know, of course, the biggest one you mentioned at the beginning of the show, which was attorney general.

[00:02:13] And it is huge when you think about in history, attorney generals have been very important.

[00:02:19] And the one that presided over the Justice Department in the last administration, on the other hand, was quite damaging to our freedoms, our liberties.

[00:02:31] And we need to claw some of those back.

[00:02:33] Well, Kelly Shackleford, you've been one that says we need to begin to change some things in the Justice Department.

[00:02:38] And so that seems to be exactly what Donald Trump wants to do with the first pick and now the second pick.

[00:02:45] Absolutely.

[00:02:46] I mean, obviously, Matt Gaetz would have been probably a little more aggressive than Pam Bondi.

[00:02:54] But Pam Bondi's, you know, a former prosecutor, former attorney general.

[00:03:00] You know, for those who don't know, I mean, like she's with us on many of the issues.

[00:03:04] For instance, I think of she filed an amicus brief when we did the Coach Kennedy case at the Supreme Court.

[00:03:11] So she was on the right side of those kind of things, which, you know, unlike the Biden administration, which seemed to always be on the wrong side of all the religious liberty cases we had at the Supreme Court.

[00:03:21] So, I mean, I think, you know, Trump clearly is hiring people that he knows are loyal to him, that have been with him for a while and he can trust.

[00:03:35] And Pam Bondi definitely fits that definition.

[00:03:38] And I think she's got a lot of experience.

[00:03:42] But going into the D.C., that's different, right?

[00:03:46] Inside the Beltway.

[00:03:47] And especially in this case with the very difficult work that's going to have to be done in the Justice Department, not necessarily with career lawyers,

[00:03:56] but with all the political people at the top who have been really weaponizing the federal government.

[00:04:02] The lawfare that we saw was happening in places like New York City, which I think is horribly wrong and should be stopped.

[00:04:14] I mean, people running for office on the basis that they're going to get an American citizen.

[00:04:21] I mean, the case should be thrown out as soon as it's filed.

[00:04:24] That's incredibly unethical.

[00:04:27] But it wasn't just, you know, the Attorney General of New York.

[00:04:35] And it wasn't just the prosecutor in New York City.

[00:04:40] It was the Justice Department doing this, right?

[00:04:44] I mean, in fact, you've got Biden with many more of these papers, you know, near his Corvette in the garage.

[00:04:52] But he can't be prosecuted.

[00:04:55] Meanwhile, you're actually raiding a former president's home.

[00:04:58] I mean, this stuff has never happened.

[00:05:01] I mean, we sort of entered banana republic land at that point.

[00:05:05] And so there's some serious work to be done.

[00:05:09] And, you know, I say pray for not only Pam Bondi.

[00:05:14] I think she'll get through.

[00:05:15] I don't think she has the kind of, you know, nuclear kind of past that some of the others have.

[00:05:23] I think it's going to be important who's around her and who's under her and who she has as deputy AG.

[00:05:28] Because it's going to take some real work.

[00:05:30] But, yeah, I think Matt Gaetz, you know, if you could have just slid him in there, would he have tried to clean things up probably more aggressively?

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:42] But he obviously had a lot of issues.

[00:05:44] This was going to be a huge battle if he had stayed on and he decided not to.

[00:05:49] Yes.

[00:05:50] I mean, the weaponization of the Justice Department is probably job number one for the Attorney General to defeat that, to clean that out.

[00:05:58] And that's why I think a lot of people looked at Matt Gaetz and said, well, you know, I don't really even want to think about all these accusations against him.

[00:06:07] I just think he's going to be a great tool.

[00:06:09] And so that's not happening.

[00:06:11] Now you have Pam Bondi.

[00:06:12] She is she campaigned with the president, with the president elect.

[00:06:17] She also helped fight his first impeachment.

[00:06:20] She she was on the legal team there.

[00:06:22] Mm hmm.

[00:06:24] So, yeah, I think now she's highly respected.

[00:06:27] So she'll probably be confirmed.

[00:06:30] And then we just have this part of the work that I think the American citizens have to do, too, is to watch these appointments and make, you know, opinions known about them.

[00:06:39] Like I'm seeing all kinds of them throughout the week in various papers on the various appointments.

[00:06:45] And there's something exciting time.

[00:06:47] And there's some things that are really easy.

[00:06:49] I mean, I say easy, but I mean, there are things that Trump did his first term that were very pro religious freedom.

[00:06:56] And one of them was in the attorney general's office in the Department of Justice.

[00:07:00] They created a task force for religious freedom that went into all of the different agencies and departments and made sure that all the laws regarding religious freedom were brought to bear to that area.

[00:07:12] And that was a huge, huge thing.

[00:07:16] That's something that, again, I doubt will be very much problem if Pam Bondi decides to do that, which I'm guessing they will to implement that.

[00:07:27] So there are in addition to the difficult work that's ahead in that area, there are also a lot of great things that can be done immediately.

[00:07:34] And and I think we can probably expect that to happen.

[00:07:37] We're going to take a break.

[00:07:39] But when we come back, we'll talk about some of those briefs.

[00:07:42] And one of our first articles is a press release comes from our good friends at First Liberty.

[00:07:47] Diverse religious groups among briefs urging the Supreme Court to hear fired fire chief appeal.

[00:07:53] And we'll talk about what that might mean.

[00:07:55] And, of course, we've been talking about the fact that you have so many of these nominations already on the table.

[00:08:03] And I use the example the other day of trying to flood the zone.

[00:08:07] If you think about football, sometimes we're playing zone.

[00:08:09] You have more people in the zone than you can defend.

[00:08:12] And I think that is exactly what was intended here.

[00:08:16] They learned their lessons from last time.

[00:08:18] And so we'll see.

[00:08:19] And it seems like it's almost impossible to keep track of all the different individuals.

[00:08:23] But we'll try to talk about the vetting of some of those and the rest.

[00:08:27] But when we come back, let's see if we can talk about this issue of religious liberty.

[00:08:29] That is our first article.

[00:08:31] And then we'll get into some other aspects of what needs to take place if, indeed, they are going to harm and maybe even reduce the size and scope of government and especially the administrative state.

[00:08:44] We'll be right back.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] Next week is Thanksgiving week.

[00:09:04] But many Americans are dreading the annual ritual of gathering families together because of the 2024 election.

[00:09:09] You might hope that the shock, grief, and anger would subside after this election.

[00:09:13] But this post-election distress continues.

[00:09:16] CBS did a story on post-election emotions.

[00:09:18] It offered expert tips and resources to manage a person's mental health after the 2024 elections.

[00:09:25] Liberal women say it is time to learn from the Koreans and adopt the 4B movement in this country by shaving their heads and denouncing men.

[00:09:32] An article in Psychiatric Times reflected on a similar experience after Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 presidential election.

[00:09:40] Her followers talked about the feeling of betrayal and felt they were living in an alternate reality.

[00:09:46] Now, journalist Mark Halperin predicted that the reaction to the Trump victory might be the cause of the biggest mental health crisis in the history of this country.

[00:09:54] In an interview he did with Tucker Carlson, he explained that tens of millions of people will question their connection to this nation and their connection to other human beings.

[00:10:02] The election has rattled their vision of the future.

[00:10:05] He added, I don't think it will be a kind of passing thing that by the inauguration will be fine.

[00:10:10] I think it will be sustained and unprecedented.

[00:10:13] He even thinks that there might even be violence.

[00:10:15] He says, I think there will be workplace fights.

[00:10:18] There might be fights at kids' birthday parties.

[00:10:21] I think there will be protests that will even turn violent.

[00:10:24] Now, we can hope that this fearful prophecy does not come to pass, but we should be prepared for the social turmoil ahead.

[00:10:30] As I've been traveling around this country, many people say they are concerned about the possibility of conflict because of the polarized nature of our society.

[00:10:38] Thanksgiving week might provide a glimpse into the future.

[00:10:41] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] Back once again, weekend edition.

[00:11:05] We have in studio with us today, Pennedexter Kelly Shackelford.

[00:11:08] You know, and it is relatively rare when you have individuals filing an amicus brief before the Supreme Court with such a diversity as the Coalition for Jewish Values,

[00:11:19] Islam and Religious Freedom Action Team, the Robertson Center for Constitutional Law, the Foundation for Moral Law,

[00:11:27] the Freedom Action Team of Religious Freedom Institute, and a number of others.

[00:11:32] And so, Kelly Shackelford, this has to do with a story we've talked about before,

[00:11:36] an individual that served in the city of Stockton, where it was one of the places where we broadcast,

[00:11:41] and yet he was fired for going to a leadership conference in a church.

[00:11:46] And now you have a broad coalition of individuals supporting what you are going to the court and asking for the Supreme Court to hear his case.

[00:11:55] Right, yeah.

[00:11:56] Ron, you know, was a fire chief for many, many years and did an incredible job.

[00:12:03] And they clearly, I mean, it's very clear they, you know, discriminated against him because he was a Christian.

[00:12:11] And in particular, one of the last things they used was that he was, they asked him to go to a leadership conference,

[00:12:19] although they didn't have any money to send him to anyone.

[00:12:22] And so he found and somebody offered some free tickets to the Willow Creek Leadership Conference,

[00:12:28] which if anybody's ever seen this conference or been to it, it is not a religious conference.

[00:12:35] It's a leadership conference.

[00:12:37] People like the head of, you know, any major company is there, secular companies we're talking about,

[00:12:47] as well as there's a mixture of leaders who are religious, leaders who aren't.

[00:12:50] But it's an excellent, it's seen as one of the best leadership conferences in the country.

[00:12:54] But they fired him because they held the leadership conference at a church, you know.

[00:13:00] So it was just crazy.

[00:13:02] But that was a list of clear religious discrimination that was laid out.

[00:13:08] But there is a, I'm not going to get real technical, but there's a case called McDonnell Douglas

[00:13:13] that really kind of keeps people from being able to get their case before a jury, before a trial.

[00:13:20] They never get their day in court.

[00:13:22] And that's how, again, you know, unfortunately for him, for Ron Hiddle, he lives in Stockton, California,

[00:13:31] which means he ends up in California court, you know, federal court,

[00:13:36] and then at the Ninth Circuit, which, you know, Rush Limbaugh used to cause the left-wing Ninth Circus.

[00:13:41] And so he's not going to get, you know, real help there.

[00:13:45] And so they never let him, he never got his day in court.

[00:13:48] So we filed the Supreme Court in saying this is happening to millions of people

[00:13:55] where discrimination that occurs against him, they never get the ability to, you know,

[00:14:00] a jury never gets to see these acts of discrimination.

[00:14:03] And instead we've got, you know, these judges using this to kind of keep it in front of not going in front of a jury.

[00:14:11] And so you had 10, I mean, this is very unusual, 10 different amicus briefs filed.

[00:14:18] That is not normal.

[00:14:20] In fact, the last time we had 10, the Supreme Court took our case.

[00:14:25] It was the Coach Kennedy case.

[00:14:26] Yes.

[00:14:27] And the one before that, that we had 10, the Supreme Court took that case.

[00:14:32] So this is one that's definitely there.

[00:14:34] I would encourage people to pray for this, not only for Ron Hiddle,

[00:14:38] but for what it means for every person who works

[00:14:42] and whether they can be religiously discriminated against

[00:14:45] and then never really get their day in court.

[00:14:47] So it's an important case over a really big precedent

[00:14:50] that could really open things up and provide protections for people around the country.

[00:14:55] Well, it's four to take, five to win, right?

[00:14:57] So you just need, and you already have three probably,

[00:15:00] you probably have four that probably will take the case.

[00:15:02] When do you find out?

[00:15:04] You don't know.

[00:15:05] You know, what happens is we file our brief, which we did,

[00:15:10] and then the other side files their brief, and then we file a reply.

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:13] And then at that point, they have everything,

[00:15:17] and, you know, there's a certain number of times, you know,

[00:15:19] maybe every two weeks they sit and they, you know,

[00:15:23] again, what happens generally in a cert petition when you go to the Supreme Court,

[00:15:27] it's totally, it's discretionary.

[00:15:28] They do not have to take it.

[00:15:30] They get about 7,000, maybe 8,000 requests.

[00:15:34] Last year they took 58 that they actually decided.

[00:15:38] So the odds are hugely against you.

[00:15:41] But when you get 10 amicus briefs, the odds go to somewhere around 20% or 25%.

[00:15:48] So, you know, it's definitely a possibility.

[00:15:50] It's something that they're going to notice, that they're going to look at,

[00:15:54] and I would just say really be in prayer, again, for Ron and also for everybody else,

[00:16:00] your own kids, your own grandkids, and what's going to happen to them in the future,

[00:16:06] and are they going to have protection?

[00:16:07] This case will impact that.

[00:16:09] We've talked before about how this election has affected much more than just,

[00:16:13] of course, who sits in the Oval Office.

[00:16:14] Earlier this week, of course, my commentary about what you have said is going to be helpful in terms of religious liberty.

[00:16:21] We just talked about who a new attorney general might be.

[00:16:25] It does seem like many of the successes you've had so far through First Liberty,

[00:16:29] you can expect to have some more in the future.

[00:16:31] Absolutely.

[00:16:32] And, you know, I was just in D.C. this last week,

[00:16:36] and it just really hit me that it was eight years ago when really all this change began to start

[00:16:44] because God really was kind of moving us to be involved in the judges' effort.

[00:16:50] We had this Trump guy.

[00:16:52] He had these 130 judicial seats, and we were like, you know,

[00:16:55] let's make sure we do all the research we can do on every candidate

[00:16:59] because we thought, you know, one case is one case.

[00:17:02] One judge is a lot of cases.

[00:17:04] You know, 234 judges appointed for life, that's a lot, a lot, a lot of cases, right?

[00:17:10] And so we started working on that.

[00:17:13] And if you really – then you look back at these big wins,

[00:17:16] many of which occurred during the Biden administration, right?

[00:17:20] Coach Kennedy, the Carson case on school choice and the right appearance to pick Christian schools,

[00:17:26] you know, the Groff case.

[00:17:28] Dobbs.

[00:17:28] Yeah, I mean, Dobbs, all these others.

[00:17:30] But I'm just thinking of just our religious liberty cases.

[00:17:34] That occurred because of what happened way back eight years ago

[00:17:38] when you started putting these judges on the court.

[00:17:40] And so the neat thing about that is – and, again, it's –

[00:17:44] think of people don't connect all this, right?

[00:17:47] No.

[00:17:48] We were working on judges because of religious freedom.

[00:17:51] But that affected the Dobbs case.

[00:17:53] That affected the Chevron deference, which was thrown out,

[00:17:57] which took away huge power from the administrative state.

[00:18:00] That affected the Second Amendment cases, which were up there.

[00:18:03] I mean, we could keep going, right?

[00:18:05] So it affects everything.

[00:18:06] Here's the cool thing.

[00:18:08] We're at the beginning of where we started eight years ago right now.

[00:18:12] Yes.

[00:18:12] We're about to have a new administration.

[00:18:14] We're about to help pick another 150, maybe as many as 200,

[00:18:19] but definitely probably 150 judges for life, maybe one or two Supreme Court justices.

[00:18:26] So we're about to – I mean, you think of what we just did and the massive change.

[00:18:32] It's very positive for religious liberty and life and all these things.

[00:18:36] We're about to do it again.

[00:18:37] So we're almost on top of what we already did.

[00:18:41] So we can – we really have an opportunity here to set the future for 20 or, I mean,

[00:18:48] maybe 30 years for our kids and our grandkids with regard to their freedoms.

[00:18:52] You know, I was speaking in D.C. last week, and I said something that, you know,

[00:18:57] it just came to me and I thought, what can you say that you have passed down – we have passed down as a country

[00:19:06] where our kids have more than what we have?

[00:19:09] It's kind of almost coming close to nothing in a lot of ways, right?

[00:19:14] The one exception very well might be more religious freedom because of these wins, these victories.

[00:19:21] I mean, the fact that right now nativity scenes all over the country are allowed on government lawns.

[00:19:29] A lot of people don't know it yet, but we're going to start seeing that, you know, where – I mean,

[00:19:34] we're kind of returning back, and it might be something that we can give more to our kids.

[00:19:39] And so it depends upon putting good judges, good justices on the court who follow the Constitution,

[00:19:46] who follow these principles that our founders put in place.

[00:19:48] And it's just neat to see that we're back at that beginning point once again.

[00:19:53] Yes.

[00:19:54] You know, I saw a piece in the Wall Street Journal today.

[00:19:57] There are a couple of interesting religious freedom editorials.

[00:20:01] One was by James Ho.

[00:20:02] Judicial independence is still a good idea.

[00:20:05] But there's another one.

[00:20:06] Trump can end religious discrimination.

[00:20:08] So it's partly because of the court cases that now there are things that can be done from on high to, you know,

[00:20:18] not only set the tone and be a bully pulpit for communities across the nation to bring back, you know,

[00:20:25] people's expressions of faith, like you mentioned nativity scenes and monuments and things like that.

[00:20:30] People have to know about it.

[00:20:32] And what better way than for, for instance, the next Trump administration to have a push toward religious liberty?

[00:20:40] What do you think about that?

[00:20:41] Absolutely.

[00:20:42] Yeah.

[00:20:43] I love both the articles in the Wall Street Journal today.

[00:20:48] But, I mean, you have professors there who are well, well known, well respected writing this.

[00:20:56] And it's just an example of all these things that can be done just by having a new administration.

[00:21:02] In addition to things that are obvious, like Title IX, where the Biden administration, you know,

[00:21:08] redefined the word sex to create all this, you know, men and women's sports and all these problems, you know,

[00:21:15] that alone, but then we've got all these positive things we can do in addition to erasing the negatives.

[00:21:20] A lot of positive news.

[00:21:22] We have a lot more to cover.

[00:21:23] We'll do that right after this.

[00:21:30] It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] They say men can be women and women men.

[00:21:39] People are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics.

[00:21:45] Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens.

[00:21:49] It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:52] You feel like giving up.

[00:21:54] But we can't.

[00:21:55] We shouldn't.

[00:21:56] We must not.

[00:21:58] As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II,

[00:22:02] never give in.

[00:22:04] Never give in.

[00:22:05] Never, never, never.

[00:22:06] Never yield to force.

[00:22:08] Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again, if you go to our website, pointofview.net, you'll see six different articles,

[00:23:17] as well as Pentadexter's commentary, which we've posted.

[00:23:20] Of course, mine is up there as well.

[00:23:21] We'll talk about some of those a little bit later.

[00:23:23] And, of course, we've spent a little bit of time talking about religious liberty.

[00:23:27] I want to move on in just a minute.

[00:23:28] But I thought I would maybe, Kelly, come back and mention your son, who was with us the other day,

[00:23:33] and encourage people to maybe listen to the program on November 13th,

[00:23:38] because we had Nathan Shackelford in studio and Sean Fredrickson by phone.

[00:23:43] They have put together the F3 initiative.

[00:23:45] I'll let you talk about that in just a minute.

[00:23:47] But I found that people really appreciated it for two reasons.

[00:23:50] Number one, they've grown up in a time when you could not post the Ten Commandments.

[00:23:54] They've grown up in a time when you could not have a nativity scene.

[00:23:57] And now that's all changed.

[00:23:59] And so, of course, Nathan was doing a good kind of play-by-play, given all the legal facts.

[00:24:03] And then Sean was just full of enthusiasm.

[00:24:05] You know what he's like.

[00:24:06] And talking about, we just need to go out there and educate people.

[00:24:09] And our generation needs to be educated.

[00:24:11] And I found people not only appreciated the fact that they are kind of the next generation.

[00:24:17] People love our Millennial Roundtable, they tell us, because it gives them hope for the future.

[00:24:21] You know, they can see some of these young up-and-coming individuals.

[00:24:24] But this F3 initiative is something where you really want to go out and educate everybody that you now can put up a nativity scene.

[00:24:32] It's probably the most exciting initiative that we've had at First Liberty.

[00:24:38] Because, you know, typically ministries that are out there, they say they want to really, you know, we need the next generation.

[00:24:48] But ministries are, you know, limited by their resources.

[00:24:51] And so typically their money is spent on 60 and up, who is where their resources generally come from, most of it.

[00:24:59] And so they don't really pour into that next generation.

[00:25:06] And they might on evangelism, but not on what are your freedoms.

[00:25:12] And yet these are the people who are in the middle of the battle, right?

[00:25:17] I mean, it's their kids who are in the schools that school districts are now saying, you know, we're not going to tell the parents.

[00:25:27] We're going to do these different things.

[00:25:28] We're going to force them to do things.

[00:25:30] I mean, you know, we've got cases on those things.

[00:25:32] And so it makes sense that they're the ones that, I mean, they're in the middle of the battle right now.

[00:25:38] And so Nathan's idea when he came to me was, you know, I just I want to reach out to those people.

[00:25:43] I want to I want to do a major effort for focusing on those who are in their 20s to 40s.

[00:25:49] And and I want them to learn what their freedoms are, what they can do.

[00:25:56] And then they can even sign up to be an ambassador to go to the next level.

[00:26:00] And and I'll be darned.

[00:26:01] I mean, gosh, we've just it's just been eight months.

[00:26:03] And we've got ambassadors and chapters in major cities all over the U.S.

[00:26:10] And and again, like you say, with Sean, I mean, they have energy and they are ready.

[00:26:16] And and it's just starting.

[00:26:17] So I would really encourage people if they have if you know young people, whether it's your kids, your grandkids in the 20s to 40s,

[00:26:25] I would encourage them to connect to that because knowing your rights is really empowering and living out your faith.

[00:26:31] And because otherwise you get kind of intimidated out of doing things.

[00:26:36] And, you know, it's the it's F3, which is really it's the future of faith and freedom.

[00:26:42] Right.

[00:26:42] And so I think if you put F3 in like Google, you get like a race car or something.

[00:26:47] I don't know.

[00:26:47] But if you put the future of faith and freedom or first liberty dot org and F3 and we have the link right now.

[00:26:54] OK, there you go.

[00:26:55] It is there.

[00:26:55] Easiest thing.

[00:26:56] Go to point of view dot net.

[00:26:57] You have a map.

[00:26:57] And we found that we already are broadcasting a lot of places where you have ambassadors.

[00:27:01] But there are other places where you would like to have ambassadors.

[00:27:04] So it's neat.

[00:27:04] It's encouraging to see this next generation.

[00:27:08] And what's what's great is they're having these events their age.

[00:27:12] They're funding themselves.

[00:27:13] I mean, they're they're they're good.

[00:27:15] They're like saying I'm in.

[00:27:17] And, you know, you think of how many this is the first thing that Nathan told me.

[00:27:20] He said, you know, the average person in this age group has I think he said thirty eight thirty eight subscriptions.

[00:27:29] So you think of all the things they subscribe to that are, you know, five, ten dollars, twenty dollars, whatever a month.

[00:27:35] And and so how hard is it for them to say, I think I'll drop these three and I'll support freedom.

[00:27:41] And so that's what they're doing.

[00:27:43] And so it's fun to watch this next generation rise up.

[00:27:46] You know, it's it's interesting to look at that millennial generation, even the X generation,

[00:27:55] that they look at certain things about religious freedom and they'll say, well, you can't do that.

[00:28:01] Or you can you do that?

[00:28:03] Can you really do that?

[00:28:04] You know, some of these things have always been constitutional.

[00:28:07] But, of course, as we know, groups like First Liberty have had to go to the Supreme Court all the way there.

[00:28:18] And so it's a whole mindset.

[00:28:25] And I do love looking at as I age, looking at younger people and saying, you know, OK, all these things on our list to do, you know, we can't do it all.

[00:28:39] We can't. In fact, we don't even sometimes, you know, we don't have the bandwidth to do it maybe anymore.

[00:28:45] We can do a lot of things.

[00:28:46] But to see that then, I mean, that's the way God made it.

[00:28:50] That's the way he made the world to be, that the younger people would come up.

[00:28:54] And now that generation is very productive.

[00:28:56] They're very energetic.

[00:28:57] They understand.

[00:28:58] And they're you know, they voted.

[00:29:01] They voted right in the last election.

[00:29:04] They did a wonderful job in understanding the issues.

[00:29:07] So it does.

[00:29:08] It gives you a lot of hope.

[00:29:09] I have heard about our Millennial Roundtable ever since it started.

[00:29:13] Great praise for that.

[00:29:15] But this is just another.

[00:29:17] This is not a group that we marginalize.

[00:29:19] This is the group that we actually so into now.

[00:29:22] I might encourage you to go to the point of view website.

[00:29:25] Go to the bottom there.

[00:29:26] And it's the November 13th interview.

[00:29:28] And if you maybe need some encouragement about these very enthusiastic young people, that was certainly the case.

[00:29:35] Then he came back and joined us on Friday, too.

[00:29:37] So that was kind of fun as well.

[00:29:38] But, Penn, let's see if we can talk about the big issue here.

[00:29:41] Will Donald Trump be able to get his nominees confirmed?

[00:29:44] And I've actually put three different articles up there.

[00:29:47] One from Daniel Henniger, which comes from the Wall Street Journal, kind of looks at it from an establishment point of view.

[00:29:53] Cal Thomas, of course, has been on the program with us many times here, talking about this whole idea of vetting.

[00:29:58] And then another one, which maybe we'll get to a little bit later.

[00:30:01] But this one comes, interestingly enough, from Nicole Russell that wrote this at USA Today.

[00:30:05] But she's kind of a young mom.

[00:30:07] But it all illustrates the fact that there is a real concern about the so-called administrative state.

[00:30:14] Vivek Rameshwami said there are a lot of people, including Charlie Kirk, who says,

[00:30:17] Stop talking about administrative state.

[00:30:18] People just turn off.

[00:30:19] He says, So now he starts talking about the managerial class or the unelected bureaucrats.

[00:30:24] But whatever.

[00:30:25] Most everybody, and I think the people that voted in this election, believe that we have to change Washington.

[00:30:30] And you've got in front of you there the first one by Daniel Henniger because he reminds everybody that Donald Trump said,

[00:30:36] You have to start my term from November 5th, okay?

[00:30:39] Because he recognizes the clock is running.

[00:30:41] And it seems to me that a lot of that has to be done in the next two years.

[00:30:44] What's your thoughts?

[00:30:45] Yes, it does.

[00:30:46] And you don't want to waste time at the beginning because definitely the left doesn't have as many tools anymore.

[00:30:53] But they have one tool, and that's slowing things down.

[00:30:56] So at the beginning of an administration.

[00:30:58] So it is encouraging to see all these nominations be made.

[00:31:02] And we had this one that didn't work out so well, but at least it's early.

[00:31:07] And so, yes, between the time that the House and Senate are installed, that our new members of the House and Senate are installed,

[00:31:17] and the new Congress starts, which is early January until the 20th, they're hoping to get just about all of them confirmed.

[00:31:25] You know, everybody works hard and cooperates.

[00:31:28] So I hope that happens.

[00:31:30] There's another thing when you mentioned the administrative state, and that is there's been a back-and-forth football thrown back and forth about it

[00:31:37] because there's a class of employees in the federal government who, you know, right now under the Biden administration,

[00:31:46] they have all these civil rights protections.

[00:31:48] They can't be fired.

[00:31:50] Under Trump, there was some loosening of that, and so people could be fired.

[00:31:55] And Trump needs to be able to fire people.

[00:31:57] And then our new cabinet members, our new heads of agencies need to be able to fire people who, you know,

[00:32:06] first of all, they need to be in there because of merit.

[00:32:09] If they're political appointments, they need to be able to be fired.

[00:32:13] And they're making that category too narrow.

[00:32:15] They need to widen it back up, which that's going to be an ongoing effort so that our president that we elected,

[00:32:23] the people that we elected and his cabinet members can have the people they need in there to do the job and not be undermined.

[00:32:31] Yeah, this – I really think – I mean, again, I was in D.C. last week.

[00:32:36] We were taking a group with David Barton through the Capitol.

[00:32:40] Sure.

[00:32:41] And Senator – Majority Leader Thune came over to say hello to us.

[00:32:46] And I think that the senators realize what just happened in the election, and I think that – Republican senators.

[00:32:56] And I think that unless there is really a real problem with somebody – you know, again,

[00:33:04] the Gates thing I think would have acquired a lot of investigation, a lot of things.

[00:33:07] But I don't see anybody else – I know they're – I know the deep state or the unelected bureaucrats or whatever you want to call them are trying to go after people.

[00:33:16] They're leaking information.

[00:33:18] Like Pete Hedsef is a good example.

[00:33:22] I find those kinds of attacks just really evil.

[00:33:25] It's sort of the – it's almost like Christians – you know,

[00:33:29] the enemy always wants to go after Christians and say, hey, they're a sinner.

[00:33:33] And you know – yes, we are.

[00:33:35] We're all sinners.

[00:33:36] Are you not?

[00:33:38] Well, we've got more to cover, a lot more to cover.

[00:33:41] So we'll do that right after this break.

[00:33:43] Speaking last month before the United Nations General Assembly,

[00:33:58] Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas warned that he intends to submit documents to start the process of expelling Israel from the United Nations.

[00:34:06] His reason?

[00:34:07] Israel's refusal to cede its territory to create a Palestinian state.

[00:34:11] U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, discussing the threat on his podcast, Verdict, said if Israel is removed from membership,

[00:34:17] the United States may itself withdraw from the U.N.

[00:34:20] Senator Cruz says if the U.N. expels Israel, the U.S. should halt all funding from America to the U.N.

[00:34:26] The United States is by far the U.N.'s largest benefactor.

[00:34:30] In a letter to lawmakers, the senator from Texas wrote,

[00:34:32] The effort to diplomatically isolate Israel is aimed at ultimately destroying the Jewish state,

[00:34:38] which is both obscene and antithetical to American national security interests.

[00:34:42] Now may be a good time to discuss U.S. participation in the United Nations.

[00:34:46] Israel is not the only point of contention.

[00:34:49] We should also oppose the ongoing efforts at the U.N. to make abortion an international human right

[00:34:54] and its promotion of protected class status based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

[00:35:00] U.N. directives often find themselves being debated in Congress.

[00:35:03] Last week, Congressman Nakeema Williams, along with 100 Democrat co-sponsors,

[00:35:08] introduced a resolution declaring an international right to abortion.

[00:35:12] According to Stefano Gennarini, Vice President for Legal Studies with the Center for Family and Human Rights, CFAM,

[00:35:18] there is no international right to abortion under any treaty ratified by the U.S. government.

[00:35:23] CFAM's Friday Facts explains that the U.N. Human Rights Committee,

[00:35:26] which monitors compliance with U.N.'s civil rights agreements,

[00:35:30] routinely goes beyond its mandate calling on governments to decriminalize abortion in all circumstances.

[00:35:36] Mr. Gennarini also says a treaty has been drafted that treats lobbying and political activity opposing pro-trans policies

[00:35:43] as crimes against humanity.

[00:35:45] The U.S. has leverage at the U.N.

[00:35:47] Will we use it to stop this stuff?

[00:35:49] For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:54] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] Back once again, Penna Dexter, Kelly Shackelford in studio today.

[00:36:03] And we've been talking about the nominees, and we'll set aside for the next segment,

[00:36:08] Elon Musk, Vivek Ramachwamy, what can happen there.

[00:36:11] But usually the list is four.

[00:36:14] Now it's down to three.

[00:36:15] And certainly Cal Thomas talks about one of those as Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defense,

[00:36:22] and the whole question of whether or not he can control the largest bureaucracy in the history of the world

[00:36:29] and also maybe not as much military experience.

[00:36:33] Robert F. Kennedy, usually the issue of Big Pharma, Big Food, Food and Drug Administration, NIH, CDC,

[00:36:43] all that kind of stuff, and maybe some ideas about vaccinations.

[00:36:47] And then Tulsi Gabbard, Director of National Intelligence.

[00:36:50] So those are kind of the three we'll probably hear the most about.

[00:36:55] And, Penna, I'd love to get your thoughts because both of these articles by Cal Thomas and Daniel Henniger

[00:37:00] mentioned those three.

[00:37:02] Actually, they mentioned, of course, the fourth one.

[00:37:03] But, of course, that doesn't matter now because we no longer have to be talking about Matt Gaetz.

[00:37:08] So the three that are left, what about that?

[00:37:10] Again, Kelly thinks that they might all be confirmed.

[00:37:13] What's your thoughts?

[00:37:14] Yeah, you haven't heard much about it.

[00:37:16] You heard the Pete Hegseth one.

[00:37:19] I think, you know, the papers and the media will say, oh, this shocked the transition team.

[00:37:25] And so that's supposed to be a bad thing.

[00:37:27] But I think it probably did shock the transition team.

[00:37:30] But, you know, that's somehow sometimes how Trump rolls.

[00:37:33] And I think we would say Trump would it be Trump if he didn't have some out-of-the-box appointments here.

[00:37:41] Because the thing that one of the major things that elected Donald Trump and reelected him is that people want change.

[00:37:50] They don't want things to be done the way they always have been.

[00:37:54] And that's why, I mean, you have a Marco Rubio, for instance, as Secretary of State.

[00:37:57] He's probably going to be just a pretty good but normal Secretary of State.

[00:38:02] He'll be fairly conservative, which I guess is kind of abnormal in the State Department sometimes.

[00:38:08] But, you know, that'll be one.

[00:38:10] But Tulsi Gabbard, I don't even know.

[00:38:13] I don't know.

[00:38:15] I mean, I kind of don't get that appointment in a sense.

[00:38:18] Yes, I'm with you.

[00:38:19] I'm of the opinion right now that the U.S. senators are going to be confirming her.

[00:38:26] They're going to be asking a lot of questions.

[00:38:29] And they'll understand why she was nominated or they will disagree and they won't confirm her.

[00:38:37] Yeah, I just want to trust that system right now.

[00:38:41] I guess it's because we have people in there in the Senate now, enough people to actually, you know, either defeat or confirm someone.

[00:38:50] Yeah, I just I mean, I think you generally give the president, especially when you have an overwhelming mandate vote like we just have.

[00:38:59] I mean, the sweeping of all those states, really a landslide victory.

[00:39:03] The people were clearly speaking to a number of the issues.

[00:39:06] And Tulsi Gabbard, it's going to be over one of the main reasons why they voted that way.

[00:39:11] Right.

[00:39:11] Which is the border.

[00:39:14] And you look at what I almost want to do is say, OK, if there's a supposed problem with these people, why don't we put a picture of the person who's being proposed now and the person who the Biden administration had up?

[00:39:28] Yeah.

[00:39:29] OK, so let's look at Mayorkas.

[00:39:31] I mean, who said there was no problem with the border?

[00:39:34] He just got up and continually lied.

[00:39:36] I mean, was he greatly qualified?

[00:39:39] I mean, I don't think we have to worry about Tulsi Gabbard doing that, you know, because that's the president's pick for that.

[00:39:45] And, you know, RFK.

[00:39:47] Let's put a picture of RFK next to, you know, this man in a woman's dress.

[00:39:55] I knew you were in charge of, you know, all of our health care.

[00:39:58] And I mean, I mean, excuse me, but this stuff, this is where I think the deep state does a number on the country and they shouldn't fall for it.

[00:40:08] Yeah.

[00:40:09] Please.

[00:40:10] I didn't hear any of this when these people were being confirmed, like the guy that was wearing lipstick for the Biden administration, stealing people's luggage from the airport.

[00:40:20] I knew we were going to bring that one up, too.

[00:40:21] I don't see any of that.

[00:40:22] But now we've gotten, you know, people who clearly are not.

[00:40:26] I think those people have mental problems, right?

[00:40:28] I think we have people now.

[00:40:29] They clearly don't have mental problems.

[00:40:31] You just don't like them or you don't like some of the stuff they've done in the past.

[00:40:35] Or you see if you can dig up some sin that they committed early in life.

[00:40:39] It has nothing to do with the position that they're applying for.

[00:40:43] I just think people need to get a little stronger.

[00:40:46] And I think that's why they elected Donald Trump.

[00:40:49] They wanted they were tired of this.

[00:40:51] They wanted they wanted D.C. broken and put back together where the people actually control the country and not the deep state.

[00:40:57] You talked about immigration.

[00:40:59] Tom Holman.

[00:40:59] I'm thinking about that.

[00:41:01] Michael Walsh, National Security Advisor.

[00:41:03] Of course, Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem.

[00:41:06] I think everybody around the table would agree with all those individuals.

[00:41:09] And now you're talking about Doug Collins at Veterans Affairs and Bergam at Interior.

[00:41:15] Didn't see that one coming necessarily.

[00:41:17] Didn't have that on my bingo card.

[00:41:19] John Ratcliffe.

[00:41:20] Yeah, Ratcliffe.

[00:41:21] I mean, there you go.

[00:41:22] I have high, high, high respect for John and for him to be head of the CIA.

[00:41:28] And I think he was the one who had he was the director of national intelligence.

[00:41:32] He was the job that Tulsi Gabbard is the nominated for.

[00:41:35] And he was a member of Congress here for four terms here in Texas and those kinds of things.

[00:41:40] Education, Linda McMahon.

[00:41:42] You know, I'll see where that goes.

[00:41:43] I think they want to actually axe the Department of Education.

[00:41:46] And the school choice issue.

[00:41:48] It's a big issue of hers.

[00:41:49] So I think one of the things that Penna said earlier is so key.

[00:41:52] I mean, I thought one of the most powerful things that Trump said in the debate that he had with Biden and in the campaign going forward

[00:42:05] was they haven't fired anybody.

[00:42:08] That was the thing that was interesting.

[00:42:10] Afghanistan.

[00:42:11] You think about it.

[00:42:12] How do you not fire someone?

[00:42:13] Now, does anybody think that if Afghanistan occurred on Trump's watch that anybody would have been fired?

[00:42:19] Yes.

[00:42:20] I mean, we need accountability for these people who are in office.

[00:42:25] So and I think with Trump, you'll get it.

[00:42:28] You know, if if somebody is not doing their job well, I don't care if it's Tulsi Gabbard or whoever it is.

[00:42:34] I think we can all know he will get rid of them.

[00:42:37] And he's looking for people that are going to perform well.

[00:42:40] So I do think there'll be a lot of people with pink slips in all across the federal government, not only because of of Musk and Ramaswamy,

[00:42:50] but because you're going to have people in there and because they're going to be allowed to to get rid of people,

[00:42:57] they won't have the protections because that is does not have anything to do with Congress voting.

[00:43:02] That has to do with orders out of the administration.

[00:43:05] I think you're going to see some some changes across the board.

[00:43:08] In fact, if you're a conservative and have, you know, expertise in any of these areas,

[00:43:12] you ought to be thinking about applying for some of these jobs.

[00:43:15] I've got some friends who are just like, you know, foaming at the mouth to go work at Doge.

[00:43:21] Yeah.

[00:43:21] I mean, they want to work for, you know, for for Musk and Ramaswamy to come up with proposals.

[00:43:31] And these are people that like led hedge funds.

[00:43:34] And I mean, very sophisticated people.

[00:43:36] And I love that.

[00:43:37] I mean, you know, they're not even you know, they're not even getting paid at the top here.

[00:43:41] So it'll be fun to watch.

[00:43:43] Let me just mention that another article you might want to read is one we posted yesterday was from the Wall Street Journal.

[00:43:48] It was written by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, in which they actually talk about the Doge plan for reforming government.

[00:43:55] We come back.

[00:43:56] We'll get into more of that because we have this piece that also was written by Nicole Russell.

[00:44:01] But they are suggesting that the door is much more open than it was under, say, the Grace Commission or even under Simpson Bowles because you mentioned one of them.

[00:44:12] The Chevron doctrine has changed and a couple of other court cases and that you can reduce the size of the area.

[00:44:20] And that would not be seen as political repercussions.

[00:44:23] It would simply be reducing that.

[00:44:25] And so there are some ways which in the past they've tried to reform the bureaucracy hasn't gone so well.

[00:44:32] They give us reason to be a little more optimistic.

[00:44:35] But when we come back from the break, we're going to spend some time talking about that as well.

[00:44:38] And a couple other issues.

[00:44:40] We did mention this idea of immigration.

[00:44:42] Lake and Riley, of course, the whole decision there came down last week.

[00:44:47] So we'll talk about that as well and some other looking at the foreign policy issues and Pennextra's piece on the U.S.'s U.N. leverage.

[00:44:56] Elaine Stefanik, I'm looking forward to hearing her, too.

[00:44:58] What do you think?

[00:44:59] That's going to be good.

[00:45:00] We'll take a break.

[00:45:00] Come back with more right after this.

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