Point of View November 19, 2024 – Hour 1 : Child Evangelism Fellowship

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Thank you for joining me, it is the Tuesday edition of Point of View. We've got a lot to cover today and we'll do our best to try to cover everything from some great ministries I think you're going to want to know about to the possibility of really being more optimistic about the future.

[00:00:34] Also have done a deep dive into recess appointments, that's become a big controversy so we'll talk about that.

[00:00:40] Spoiler alert, we find out that from Ronald Reagan all the way up to Barack Obama, every president has used recess appointments so when people say Donald Trump can't use them,

[00:00:50] well as a matter of fact he never did use one when he was president for four years but all his predecessors pretty much have.

[00:00:57] So we'll get into that in just a minute. We will talk about Ukraine and are we headed towards some kind of major conflict,

[00:01:05] some of the things that are going to be very concerning there as well.

[00:01:09] So there will be a lot to cover, but let me first of all point you to some of our articles.

[00:01:14] And in just a minute I might even put up a graph or two so those of you that like to watch this program on computer,

[00:01:19] or if you want to go back later and see some of the graphs that would be helpful.

[00:01:24] But my first article is from Jared Baker, I should say,

[00:01:28] Four more years of Trump may make America normal again.

[00:01:31] You know, you talk about making America great again.

[00:01:33] How about just making America normal again?

[00:01:36] And if you do see the article, we've made it available to you on our website at pointofview.net,

[00:01:42] you'll see there's a picture.

[00:01:44] It's an illustration of Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes.

[00:01:48] So he's going to use that metaphor.

[00:01:50] And that is a lot of people have said that his election victory is a revolution.

[00:01:54] He's saying, well, maybe more it's a revealing of what is there.

[00:01:59] You know the story of the emperor's new clothes,

[00:02:01] and that is an individual was tricked into believing that he had this incredible work of art.

[00:02:07] And it was a small boy who finally called out the truth of the charade.

[00:02:11] And he said, we have now an individual who maybe, he says this sort of in an acoustic way,

[00:02:20] maybe a little bit with the mind of a child who's actually said that some of these attire are invisible.

[00:02:26] And as a result, we've been trying to wear them for too long.

[00:02:30] I'll just mention five real quickly.

[00:02:31] First of all is the idea that people who have stolen this country illegally should be showered with all the rights and benefits of citizens,

[00:02:38] and that it's immoral to deny those rights to those individuals, and we should provide sanctuary for them.

[00:02:45] That's number one.

[00:02:46] Number two, the idea that a nation sits atop the greatest reservoirs of natural energy resources on earth,

[00:02:53] but should forcibly restrain itself from exploiting them to save the planet on the basis of politicized science.

[00:03:00] So you can see where he's going on this one.

[00:03:02] Number three, the idea that a century and a half of progress in dealing with America's original sin of racism

[00:03:09] and making the country more equal, we are now suddenly obliged to believe that America is as oppressive as it was in 1619.

[00:03:18] Number four, the idea that children should, without parental consultation or consent,

[00:03:24] be free to choose their gender, be assisted in a state of committing acts of self-mutilization,

[00:03:30] and do so all with the understanding that we will repeal a millennia of science,

[00:03:36] and actually now have just discovered there's no such thing as biological sex.

[00:03:41] And then number five, the idea that democracy and freedom are best protected by denying people the right to express certain views

[00:03:48] that the authorities deem as misinformation by weaponizing the law against political opponents.

[00:03:55] And he says basically politicians on all sides, including Republicans, he's an equal opportunity grief giver,

[00:04:02] have declined to begin to address these issues for fear of being called out.

[00:04:08] And he said it took an instinct of a man with the instincts of a child and political lack of sophistication to actually call those out.

[00:04:14] And he then goes on to say that even though he wants to praise Donald Trump for at least making it obvious that these things have to go,

[00:04:22] he then says some of the promises that Donald Trump gives for his second term leave me cold.

[00:04:28] He's not real impressed with the Department of Government efficiency or about imposing tariffs on trillions of dollars of imports.

[00:04:38] But he says, he says, here's what I am optimistic about.

[00:04:42] Four years from now, there's a good chance that the nonsense that we have had to endure will be buried,

[00:04:49] that important things will have become normal again.

[00:04:54] And is to that mine?

[00:04:55] That's progress.

[00:04:56] I summarize this very quickly, but you want to read the entire three pages of his commentary.

[00:05:01] He is certainly not totally optimistic about the second term of Donald Trump,

[00:05:07] but he is optimistic that maybe this election illustrates a turn, maybe a realignment.

[00:05:14] Might even hold up my booklet on American realignment, which we made available a few years ago.

[00:05:21] I've just finished writing a new booklet on political realignment.

[00:05:24] And those of you that receive the booklets because you're a supporter of the truth team,

[00:05:30] you'll be seeing that once it's finally printed and sent.

[00:05:33] It's not ready yet, but it's just an illustration of that.

[00:05:36] But since he was critical of the Department of Government efficiency, I thought I would read this

[00:05:41] because Elon Musk has actually posted what is going to happen.

[00:05:46] And I think you'd like to know.

[00:05:47] He says that they will try to post all the actions of this Department of Government efficiency for maximum transparency.

[00:05:56] Anytime the public thinks we're cutting something important or not cutting something wasteful, just let us know.

[00:06:03] We've also had a leaderboard for some of the most insanely dumb spending of your tax dollars.

[00:06:09] This will be both extremely tragic and extremely entertaining.

[00:06:13] And for those of you that are not familiar, the Grace Commission back there in 1984 concluded that about one-third of government spending at that time was wasteful and inefficient.

[00:06:23] And if you want to be aware of this, let me hold up this chart here, and Steve will put it up there for just a minute.

[00:06:31] Spending that has quadrupled.

[00:06:33] And when you begin to look at this, you can recognize that what we are talking about is both federal spending and state and local spending have just skyrocketed.

[00:06:44] And I think it is really important to understand how incredibly fast that spending has taken place, especially at the federal level.

[00:06:54] There was a slight drop, and part of that has to do, of course, with the pandemic and the rest.

[00:07:00] But apart from that, the federal government spends more and more and more.

[00:07:05] And the state and local governments spend even more.

[00:07:08] And so basically for the position of, again, when these are inflation-adjusted dollars to go from the spending per capita, $6,000 to $27,000, you can begin to see that is significant.

[00:07:26] We're going to take a break.

[00:07:27] And when we come back, I want to also, just before I get on to some other issues, show you another chart.

[00:07:32] And that is just the staggering rise of the new debt, because not only has spending increased dramatically, but in order to pay for these massive deficits created both by Republican presidents and Democratic presidents, we have added debt much faster than we used to add it.

[00:07:52] And I want you to see that chart, which we've talked about as well.

[00:07:55] But again, the Department of Government Efficiency will, as they're working through this, post lots of information, which I would have to say is different than the Grace Commission.

[00:08:07] It was instituted by J. Peter Grace.

[00:08:11] They actually released their report in January of 1984, in which they concluded, I think rightly, that a third of your tax dollars were being wasted and were used inefficiently.

[00:08:23] But nothing really came of it.

[00:08:26] Now, there were a few changes, but very few.

[00:08:28] This time, maybe there's a better chance, if for no other reason, than Elon Musk and Vivek Rameshwamy want to let you know what's going on as they find some of these issues,

[00:08:38] and hoping that there will be a public outcry and a drumbeat that might bring about some of the changes that need to take place.

[00:08:46] Let's take a break.

[00:08:47] Be back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] The election of Donald Trump will advance the cause of religious liberty.

[00:09:05] That is a conclusion of First Liberty President Kelly Shackelford.

[00:09:09] On my radio program, he talked about Trump policies in his first term that offer hope for the future of religious liberty,

[00:09:15] and then quoted from the speech Trump gave at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention.

[00:09:19] We provide a link to an article with a complete list of policies, along with a link to a video by Kelly Shackelford.

[00:09:25] Here are just a few reasons why the future of religious liberty in this country looks bright.

[00:09:30] Former President Trump's executive orders on religious liberty made a difference when he was in office.

[00:09:35] His 2017 executive order on protecting religious liberty was able to advance religious freedom across all federal executive agencies.

[00:09:43] His 2019 executive order on combating anti-Semitism prohibited discrimination against Jewish communities and believers.

[00:09:51] Kelly Shackelford also talked about the establishment of the HHS Conscious and Religious Freedom Division.

[00:09:57] One of his former employees was able to direct the agency's efforts to protect religious freedom and people of faith in the health care industry.

[00:10:04] What will the Trump administration do in the future?

[00:10:07] Trump's speech at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention delineated seven major actions.

[00:10:13] One was the development of a religious liberty task force.

[00:10:17] Trump explained that he would create a new federal task force to fight anti-Christian bias

[00:10:22] and would investigate all forms of illegal discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America.

[00:10:28] He also promised that he would protect Christians, religious symbols, and religious expression and speech.

[00:10:34] The election of Donald Trump is good news for those of us concerned about the future of religious liberty in America.

[00:10:40] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my Point of View.

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[00:11:03] Back once again, let me just mention, as we were talking about a minute ago, the kind of spending that has taken place.

[00:11:09] And I showed you this chart, which we made available for you just a minute ago,

[00:11:13] just to remind you that the amount of spending has increased rather dramatically.

[00:11:18] But I thought we would put up a second chart to also illustrate that.

[00:11:22] And that has to do with the amount of debt, because it's one thing to spend money.

[00:11:28] It's quite another to spend a lot more money than you take in.

[00:11:32] And if you look at this chart, and again, for those of you not watching on a computer, let me just explain it,

[00:11:38] because it shows that essentially from almost the beginning of this country,

[00:11:43] from George Washington to the year 2000,

[00:11:47] you have a situation in which it took that long,

[00:11:52] 221 years, for the United States to end up with $12 trillion in national debt.

[00:12:00] When you think about that spending, we're talking about the Civil War,

[00:12:04] the First World War, the Second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War.

[00:12:08] You can talk about Desert Storm.

[00:12:09] You can talk about all sorts of things that were part of that.

[00:12:12] But then, if you go back and look at the chart,

[00:12:14] then interestingly enough, since 2020, we've added $12 trillion in debt.

[00:12:23] So when you begin to understand that we took 221 years

[00:12:28] to actually chalk up $12 trillion in debt,

[00:12:33] and now in certainly only a few years,

[00:12:38] we've added $12 trillion in national debt.

[00:12:41] You can see why there is a real push to see what we can do

[00:12:46] to begin to reduce the size and scope and cost of the government.

[00:12:51] We'll spend more time talking about this later in the week,

[00:12:53] but that is one of those really big issues,

[00:12:57] and I will predict that it will be controversial.

[00:13:00] Everybody's for cutting the size and scope of government.

[00:13:04] Everybody's really interested in trying to reduce their tax burden

[00:13:08] until the particular government agency you want to slim down,

[00:13:14] or maybe even the department, say Department of Commerce,

[00:13:17] Department of Energy, Department of Education,

[00:13:20] whatever it might be, you want to eliminate.

[00:13:22] That's where you start getting the controversy.

[00:13:25] So we'll see where it goes.

[00:13:26] One of the other controversies is this.

[00:13:28] I've also posted an article by Andrew McCarthy

[00:13:31] in which he makes the case,

[00:13:33] and you can read it in its entire structure here.

[00:13:38] Andrew McCarthy, somebody we've quoted many times before,

[00:13:41] in which he is talking about

[00:13:42] Trump's unconstitutional recess appointment scheme.

[00:13:47] Now what are we talking about?

[00:13:48] Well, let's recognize that there are a few individuals

[00:13:51] that, as you might imagine, are controversial.

[00:13:54] Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[00:13:56] I'll talk about him in just a minute.

[00:13:57] Matt Gaetz.

[00:13:59] Maybe some others.

[00:14:00] We've talked about Pete Hegseth, whoever that might be.

[00:14:04] Those might be so controversial

[00:14:06] that Republicans would not actually confirm those individuals.

[00:14:12] And so there is the possibility that in the Constitution,

[00:14:16] if the chambers are actually in recess,

[00:14:21] and this would require an action from Speaker Mike Johnson,

[00:14:25] that then these are called recess appointments.

[00:14:27] Now I'll be the first to say that I don't think

[00:14:31] that that's what the Constitution intended.

[00:14:33] It was implemented at a time

[00:14:35] when in order to get to Washington, D.C.,

[00:14:38] you had to ride on horseback,

[00:14:40] or maybe you had to take a horse-drawn carriage,

[00:14:45] later maybe take a train,

[00:14:47] but the modern conveniences mean that we really,

[00:14:51] if we have a recess,

[00:14:53] it's only in name only,

[00:14:55] because certainly many members stay in Washington, D.C.,

[00:14:58] and even if they travel home,

[00:15:00] plane flights bring them back very quickly.

[00:15:03] But that being said,

[00:15:05] how many presidents have used recess appointments?

[00:15:08] Let me just mention a few.

[00:15:10] That would be George Washington,

[00:15:12] Thomas Jefferson,

[00:15:13] James Madison,

[00:15:14] Andrew Johnson,

[00:15:15] Ulysses S. Grant.

[00:15:16] And so you'd say,

[00:15:17] well, okay,

[00:15:18] those were either in the 18th or 19th century.

[00:15:21] Okay, in this century,

[00:15:22] well, you have Harry Truman,

[00:15:23] you have Dwight Eisenhower.

[00:15:25] By the way,

[00:15:26] as I mentioned just a minute ago,

[00:15:28] you have Ronald Reagan,

[00:15:29] had 240 recess appointments.

[00:15:33] You had George Herbert Walker Bush,

[00:15:36] 77 recess appointments.

[00:15:39] Then Bill Clinton had 139 recess appointments.

[00:15:43] George W. Bush had 171 recess appointments.

[00:15:48] And interestingly enough,

[00:15:49] Barack Obama had 32,

[00:15:50] even though he had, you know,

[00:15:51] pretty favorable Congress.

[00:15:53] There is actually one president in recent history that has had no recess appointments.

[00:16:00] That would be Donald Trump.

[00:16:03] But now,

[00:16:04] of course,

[00:16:04] we are told that he cannot actually use a recess appointment,

[00:16:09] at least from some individuals.

[00:16:10] And I think there would be a great opportunity for Donald Trump trying to bring us back to constitutional stability,

[00:16:19] to maybe resist that as well,

[00:16:21] and just establish a precedent that these will not be used and misused any longer.

[00:16:27] The idea of a recess appointment was implemented because we did not have the ability for people to travel as easily.

[00:16:35] And so the confirmation of an individual that would be key in the government could not wait until there was Senate confirmation.

[00:16:45] And so you can understand in some respects how this could actually be used in the past.

[00:16:52] But I think we're living in a much different world.

[00:16:55] And if you cannot get your House and Senate to actually agree,

[00:17:01] in this case,

[00:17:02] we're talking about only Senate confirmation.

[00:17:04] But of course,

[00:17:05] it would require not only John Thune,

[00:17:08] who will be the new speaker,

[00:17:10] actually the Senate majority leader,

[00:17:12] and then,

[00:17:12] of course,

[00:17:12] Speaker of the House,

[00:17:13] Mike Johnson.

[00:17:14] If you can't get to agree on those individuals,

[00:17:17] well,

[00:17:18] then maybe we should think of something else in that regard.

[00:17:21] So again,

[00:17:22] I just bring that up.

[00:17:23] And if you would like to read the argument by Andrew McCarthy on why we should not have recess appointments and why Mike Johnson and,

[00:17:33] of course,

[00:17:33] incoming Senate majority leader,

[00:17:36] John Thune should not go along with that.

[00:17:39] I have posted that for you to read as well.

[00:17:42] And I did mention that there are some controversies.

[00:17:45] I thought I'd mention this one because it certainly caught me off guard.

[00:17:49] Mike Pence urges the Senate Republicans to oppose Robert F.

[00:17:54] Kennedy as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

[00:17:58] This particular article says the vice president,

[00:18:00] former vice president,

[00:18:01] urged the Republicans to vote against him because of his views on abortion.

[00:18:06] His direct quote is,

[00:18:08] the Trump-Pence administration was unapologetically pro-life for our four years in office.

[00:18:14] There are hundreds of decisions made at HHS every day that either lead our

[00:18:19] nation towards a respect for life or away from it.

[00:18:22] And the HHS under our administration always stood for life.

[00:18:27] So we'll see where that goes.

[00:18:28] That is controversial for the Democrats sometimes because,

[00:18:32] after all,

[00:18:33] Democrats are saying he's left our party and now he's trying to implement some

[00:18:37] things for the Department of Health and Human Services to address chronic diseases

[00:18:44] and manufactured and processed,

[00:18:46] already called ultra-processed foods.

[00:18:49] I'm going to talk about a fact check tomorrow that the New York Times did on Robert F.

[00:18:55] Kennedy,

[00:18:55] which is an eye roller for sure,

[00:18:58] but nevertheless,

[00:18:59] not surprised that sometimes when you leave the plantation and you no longer are seen as a reliable Democratic vote,

[00:19:08] they're going to come after you,

[00:19:09] and they have.

[00:19:10] So I thought I would mention that as well.

[00:19:13] One of the other real controversies,

[00:19:14] which we talked about yesterday,

[00:19:16] and I thought I would come back to this again,

[00:19:19] is that we have the mayor,

[00:19:21] Mayor Wu,

[00:19:22] said we are not cooperating with deportations and suggested that a city may in fact be able to reverse or override some parts of federal immigration law.

[00:19:33] And this,

[00:19:34] I think,

[00:19:34] is a good illustration of some of the resistance that we talked about from a mayor of Boston,

[00:19:40] a governor of Illinois,

[00:19:41] whatever it might be,

[00:19:43] governor of California.

[00:19:44] But I saw one commentary which said this,

[00:19:47] these sanctuary policies protect child rapists.

[00:19:51] It's not an exaggeration or hyperbole.

[00:19:54] This individual said every week,

[00:19:56] ICE's Boston office is arresting illegal aliens charged with child rape who have been released from local custody after ICE's detainer request were ignored.

[00:20:09] And so again,

[00:20:10] when we have people that will stand there,

[00:20:12] again,

[00:20:13] I'll pick on the mayor of Boston,

[00:20:16] governor of Illinois,

[00:20:16] governor of California.

[00:20:18] There are many others.

[00:20:19] Those are the three we'll pick on for the moment and say,

[00:20:22] no,

[00:20:22] we're going to protect our residents.

[00:20:24] Yes,

[00:20:24] but there are,

[00:20:25] first of all,

[00:20:25] not residents.

[00:20:26] They are not citizens.

[00:20:27] They are residents.

[00:20:28] Second of all,

[00:20:29] they're there illegally.

[00:20:30] And some of them are very dangerous.

[00:20:32] And I think once it begins to occur to people,

[00:20:35] that is the case.

[00:20:36] For those of you in Georgia,

[00:20:38] you've been following this because,

[00:20:39] of course,

[00:20:40] we have this case right now of the individual that killed Lake and Riley.

[00:20:44] It turns out that this illegal immigrant that killed her stayed at a taxpayer funded Roosevelt Hotel in New York.

[00:20:54] He took a taxpayer funded flight from New York to Georgia.

[00:20:58] And,

[00:20:59] of course,

[00:20:59] he is now on trial for the murder of Lake and Riley.

[00:21:04] Not all people here illegally are dangerous people.

[00:21:08] But those that are,

[00:21:10] we need to deport them.

[00:21:12] And in this case,

[00:21:14] we need to convict them.

[00:21:15] And those are some things that maybe you don't always hear on the mainstream media.

[00:21:20] Well,

[00:21:21] let's get to some of our conversation we're going to have with a few of our guests.

[00:21:23] And then we'll get back to some more issues in the news.

[00:21:25] All that coming up right after this.

[00:21:30] In 19th century London,

[00:21:33] two towering historical figures did battle,

[00:21:35] not with guns and bombs,

[00:21:37] but words and ideas.

[00:21:40] London was home to Karl Marx,

[00:21:42] the father of communism,

[00:21:44] and legendary Baptist preacher,

[00:21:46] Charles Spurgeon.

[00:21:47] London was in many ways the center of the world,

[00:21:51] economically,

[00:21:52] militarily,

[00:21:52] and intellectually.

[00:21:54] Marx sought to destroy religion,

[00:21:56] the family,

[00:21:57] and everything the Bible supports.

[00:21:59] Spurgeon stood against him,

[00:22:01] warning of socialism's dangers.

[00:22:04] Spurgeon understood Christianity is not just religious truth.

[00:22:08] It is truth for all of life.

[00:22:11] Where do you find men with that kind of wisdom

[00:22:13] to stand against darkness today?

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[00:23:10] And now, here again,

[00:23:12] is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] You know, if you listen to Point of View

[00:23:15] any length of time,

[00:23:16] we certainly appreciate those of you

[00:23:17] that serve in the military.

[00:23:19] And, of course,

[00:23:19] if you listen to this program,

[00:23:20] you know how much we appreciate

[00:23:22] the work of Child Evangelism Fellowship.

[00:23:25] And this is going to be an opportunity

[00:23:26] to put the two together.

[00:23:28] And that is,

[00:23:28] we are bringing to the microphone now

[00:23:30] Dr. Andy Bunn,

[00:23:31] who is the director

[00:23:32] of the Military Children's Ministry,

[00:23:35] which is with Child Evangelism Fellowship.

[00:23:37] It's an individual that graduated

[00:23:39] from the U.S. Military Academy,

[00:23:42] has a master's degree from Hollins College,

[00:23:44] a Master of Divinity

[00:23:46] from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary,

[00:23:49] and a Ph.D. in leadership

[00:23:50] from Piedmont International University,

[00:23:53] has served in the past

[00:23:54] as chief operating officer

[00:23:56] for Women to Women Pregnancy Resource Center

[00:23:59] there in Denton.

[00:24:00] By the way,

[00:24:01] we're going to be talking about

[00:24:01] a pregnancy resource center

[00:24:03] probably later this week.

[00:24:04] And also has been the executive director

[00:24:06] of the Leadership Vistas International

[00:24:08] and has had all sorts of various chaplain

[00:24:12] and leadership capacities

[00:24:13] with another group

[00:24:14] that we think very highly of,

[00:24:16] Marketplace Chaplains.

[00:24:17] Dr. Andy Bunn,

[00:24:18] thank you for being with us today

[00:24:19] here on Point of View.

[00:24:21] Well, thank you so much for having me.

[00:24:22] I really appreciate the opportunity.

[00:24:24] I might just mention,

[00:24:25] even at the Hope Center,

[00:24:26] and I know you were that as well,

[00:24:28] we're doing something

[00:24:29] to provide toys and gifts

[00:24:31] and things like that

[00:24:32] for military children.

[00:24:34] And of course,

[00:24:35] what you have here

[00:24:36] is a military children's ministry,

[00:24:39] which I think the first time

[00:24:41] we've ever talked about this.

[00:24:42] So I want everybody

[00:24:43] that has somebody in their family

[00:24:46] that's in the military

[00:24:47] or knows somebody

[00:24:48] in their church in the military,

[00:24:49] which I would think

[00:24:50] would be all of our listeners,

[00:24:51] to know that, you know,

[00:24:53] we have four million people

[00:24:55] in the military

[00:24:56] that call this home.

[00:24:58] And about a million of those

[00:24:59] are children

[00:25:00] of military and civilian personnel.

[00:25:03] And so your goal

[00:25:04] is to really have a ministry

[00:25:06] to them.

[00:25:07] And if people want to learn

[00:25:08] a little bit more,

[00:25:09] you can go to

[00:25:11] cefonline.com

[00:25:11] slash ministries

[00:25:12] and go to the military ministry.

[00:25:14] You don't have to remember

[00:25:15] all that because we have

[00:25:16] a link on the website

[00:25:17] at pointofview.net.

[00:25:19] But Andy,

[00:25:19] talk for just a few minutes

[00:25:20] about the origin

[00:25:21] of this ministry

[00:25:22] because I think it is

[00:25:23] a need

[00:25:24] and I think most people

[00:25:25] don't even know

[00:25:26] that it existed.

[00:25:29] Well, yes.

[00:25:30] CEF has actually been

[00:25:31] serving military families

[00:25:34] and children

[00:25:35] for many years.

[00:25:36] When we would have

[00:25:37] local directors,

[00:25:39] state directors

[00:25:39] throughout the U.S.

[00:25:41] that had a military base

[00:25:42] in their area

[00:25:43] and they wanted

[00:25:45] to serve the children,

[00:25:46] they would do so.

[00:25:48] However,

[00:25:50] that was kind of

[00:25:51] an informal way

[00:25:52] of doing it,

[00:25:53] decentralized

[00:25:54] from an intentional ministry

[00:25:56] that was actually

[00:25:57] established

[00:25:58] by Child Evangelism Fellowship

[00:26:00] back in 2006.

[00:26:03] And at that time,

[00:26:05] we had our first

[00:26:06] military children's missionary,

[00:26:10] Georgene Bandera,

[00:26:11] who served on the West Coast,

[00:26:14] was sharing with children

[00:26:15] at a base

[00:26:16] in Washington State

[00:26:17] and the then chaplain

[00:26:19] of Fort Hood, Texas,

[00:26:22] now Fort Cavazos,

[00:26:24] was there

[00:26:25] and witnessed

[00:26:26] her presentation

[00:26:27] and sharing the gospel

[00:26:28] with the kids

[00:26:29] and he went up to her

[00:26:30] and told her

[00:26:31] that he needed her

[00:26:33] at Fort Hood

[00:26:34] and he needed her

[00:26:35] there right then.

[00:26:37] Georgene had

[00:26:38] no military background,

[00:26:41] nothing whatsoever

[00:26:43] regarding the military.

[00:26:44] She just knew

[00:26:45] that she was called

[00:26:47] to share the gospel

[00:26:48] with children

[00:26:48] and now she'd been called

[00:26:49] to a military base.

[00:26:51] And so in 2006,

[00:26:53] she purchased an RV,

[00:26:55] drove from the West Coast

[00:26:58] and lived basically

[00:27:00] in the vicinity

[00:27:01] of Fort Hood, Texas

[00:27:02] and started

[00:27:04] military children's ministry

[00:27:05] to the children there

[00:27:07] and then proceeded

[00:27:08] to go to several

[00:27:09] other bases

[00:27:10] in years afterwards,

[00:27:12] even to Alaska.

[00:27:14] and today,

[00:27:17] we have been

[00:27:18] officially

[00:27:19] an intentional

[00:27:20] arm of Child Evangelism

[00:27:22] Fellowship

[00:27:22] now for 18 years.

[00:27:23] I just mentioned

[00:27:25] for some of you

[00:27:25] might want to know

[00:27:26] whether there's one

[00:27:27] in your community,

[00:27:28] there is a map

[00:27:29] and again,

[00:27:30] if you click on

[00:27:31] the link that we have

[00:27:32] there,

[00:27:32] that shows

[00:27:33] the viable ministries,

[00:27:35] some of the prospective

[00:27:36] ministries,

[00:27:36] some that are active

[00:27:37] and so you can

[00:27:38] kind of get

[00:27:39] a pretty good handle

[00:27:40] on those places

[00:27:42] where you can find it.

[00:27:43] There's also a video,

[00:27:44] it only takes you

[00:27:45] a couple minutes,

[00:27:46] actually not even

[00:27:47] two minutes,

[00:27:47] to watch

[00:27:48] and that will give you

[00:27:49] some information

[00:27:50] about that as well.

[00:27:51] And so,

[00:27:52] first of all,

[00:27:52] I guess the obvious

[00:27:53] question is,

[00:27:54] what happens

[00:27:54] when you actually

[00:27:55] have a military

[00:27:57] children's ministry

[00:27:58] that is located

[00:28:00] around one of these bases?

[00:28:02] Well,

[00:28:03] we do our

[00:28:03] traditional ministry

[00:28:05] that Child Evangelism

[00:28:07] Fellowship has done

[00:28:08] for over 80 years now

[00:28:10] and that is,

[00:28:12] we focus primarily

[00:28:13] on a good news club

[00:28:15] which is

[00:28:15] an after school club

[00:28:17] that meets

[00:28:18] weekly with children

[00:28:19] but we also have

[00:28:21] two other ministries.

[00:28:22] One is a party club

[00:28:24] that meets

[00:28:25] one time

[00:28:26] and it's usually

[00:28:27] around Christmas,

[00:28:29] Easter

[00:28:29] and through that

[00:28:31] share the gospel

[00:28:32] with children

[00:28:33] but we also have

[00:28:34] something related

[00:28:35] to Vacation Bible School

[00:28:36] which is called

[00:28:37] a five-day club

[00:28:38] and the only difference

[00:28:40] for the military community

[00:28:42] is that

[00:28:43] the children

[00:28:44] that make up

[00:28:45] the clubs

[00:28:45] are by and large

[00:28:48] children of military families.

[00:28:50] We still have volunteers

[00:28:51] that come from

[00:28:52] outside the gates

[00:28:53] from the local churches

[00:28:55] to serve

[00:28:55] along with

[00:28:57] retirees

[00:28:58] and active duty

[00:28:59] and they are solely

[00:29:01] focused

[00:29:01] on meeting

[00:29:03] with the children,

[00:29:04] being there

[00:29:04] for the children

[00:29:06] week in and week out

[00:29:07] and sharing

[00:29:08] the gospel with them.

[00:29:09] Let's see,

[00:29:09] Ken,

[00:29:10] talk about

[00:29:10] why this is

[00:29:11] such a key need.

[00:29:12] Of course,

[00:29:12] you have a military

[00:29:13] background

[00:29:13] and of course

[00:29:14] they're interacting

[00:29:14] with people

[00:29:15] in the military.

[00:29:16] The children

[00:29:17] are, I think,

[00:29:18] the ones that

[00:29:19] suffer the most

[00:29:19] because

[00:29:21] the typical

[00:29:22] military

[00:29:23] move around,

[00:29:24] typical assignment,

[00:29:26] maybe two or three years

[00:29:27] and so as a result,

[00:29:29] just today,

[00:29:30] we were talking,

[00:29:31] my wife and I

[00:29:32] were on a walk

[00:29:32] talking with one woman

[00:29:33] and of course

[00:29:34] her husband

[00:29:35] had already said

[00:29:35] where she was from

[00:29:37] as well,

[00:29:38] everywhere.

[00:29:38] I said military,

[00:29:40] right?

[00:29:40] Yes.

[00:29:40] And so in some respects

[00:29:42] they never have a chance

[00:29:43] to put down roots

[00:29:44] and they never really

[00:29:46] have a chance

[00:29:46] to have a community

[00:29:47] and it seems to me

[00:29:49] that the military

[00:29:50] children's ministry

[00:29:51] through Child Evangelism

[00:29:52] Fellowship

[00:29:52] helps them put down

[00:29:54] some roots.

[00:29:54] But tell us more

[00:29:55] if you might.

[00:29:56] Well, yes.

[00:29:58] The children

[00:29:59] of military families

[00:30:00] for one,

[00:30:01] as you mentioned,

[00:30:02] they move around

[00:30:03] every two to three years

[00:30:05] and so establishing roots,

[00:30:08] establishing friends

[00:30:09] that they will have

[00:30:12] from year to year

[00:30:13] is very hard for them,

[00:30:14] very difficult.

[00:30:15] Along with that,

[00:30:17] even when I was in

[00:30:18] back in the 80s

[00:30:19] and 90s

[00:30:19] a long time ago,

[00:30:21] we did not have

[00:30:22] the uncertainty

[00:30:23] that the military

[00:30:24] family faces today,

[00:30:25] which means that

[00:30:26] the children,

[00:30:28] their parents,

[00:30:29] their mom and dad

[00:30:30] could be here one day

[00:30:31] and be deployed the next

[00:30:33] with very little notice.

[00:30:35] And so not only

[00:30:37] are they dealing

[00:30:37] with the constant moves

[00:30:39] that have been characteristic

[00:30:40] of military life forever,

[00:30:42] but now especially

[00:30:44] the uncertainty

[00:30:46] of not knowing

[00:30:47] if mom and dad

[00:30:47] is going to be home

[00:30:48] the next day

[00:30:49] because they're going

[00:30:49] to be deployed

[00:30:50] and how long

[00:30:51] they're going

[00:30:51] to be deployed

[00:30:52] and ultimately

[00:30:55] knowing if mom

[00:30:56] and dad

[00:30:57] are going to return

[00:30:58] because they are

[00:30:59] going to be somewhere

[00:31:01] across the world

[00:31:02] that is in some type

[00:31:03] of conflict.

[00:31:04] And so we come along

[00:31:06] and we just want

[00:31:08] to provide

[00:31:08] a consistent anchor

[00:31:11] for these children,

[00:31:12] something they can count on

[00:31:13] week in and week out

[00:31:15] based on sharing

[00:31:17] the gospel of Jesus Christ

[00:31:18] with them and the adults,

[00:31:21] the volunteers

[00:31:21] that come alongside them,

[00:31:23] just loving them

[00:31:24] like Jesus would

[00:31:24] such that they can have

[00:31:26] some level of consistency

[00:31:29] in their life

[00:31:31] with what we do

[00:31:33] to serve them.

[00:31:34] We'll probably talk about

[00:31:35] this a little bit more

[00:31:36] after the break,

[00:31:37] but it seems to me

[00:31:38] that what you have

[00:31:39] a need for right now

[00:31:40] are a couple things.

[00:31:41] First of all,

[00:31:42] for the existing opportunities

[00:31:44] where you have

[00:31:45] an active ministry,

[00:31:46] there's an opportunity

[00:31:48] for people to join

[00:31:49] with you

[00:31:50] and actually become

[00:31:51] one of the particular volunteers.

[00:31:54] But as I look through this,

[00:31:56] I also see that

[00:31:57] we are broadcasting

[00:31:58] in some states

[00:31:59] that do not have

[00:32:00] one of these.

[00:32:01] You tend to have

[00:32:02] a few more

[00:32:02] in Army bases

[00:32:03] than Air Force bases

[00:32:05] or, of course,

[00:32:05] Naval bases

[00:32:06] and the rest.

[00:32:07] And so there may be

[00:32:08] even an opportunity

[00:32:09] to establish,

[00:32:10] if you will,

[00:32:11] an outpost somewhere else.

[00:32:12] So it's kind of like

[00:32:13] you're looking for

[00:32:14] both volunteers

[00:32:15] and even some

[00:32:16] that might want

[00:32:16] to step forward

[00:32:17] and establish

[00:32:18] another active chapter.

[00:32:19] Is that true?

[00:32:21] Absolutely.

[00:32:22] The map they have there,

[00:32:24] if someone were to see that

[00:32:25] and live in the vicinity

[00:32:28] of that military base,

[00:32:29] I would encourage them

[00:32:31] to just go online

[00:32:33] and put in CEF

[00:32:35] of their state

[00:32:36] and it will point them

[00:32:37] to the local chapter

[00:32:38] that serves that base

[00:32:39] and they can get in contact

[00:32:41] with their local director

[00:32:42] and help them

[00:32:43] in that way.

[00:32:44] If they are in a vicinity

[00:32:46] of a military base

[00:32:48] that's not listed,

[00:32:49] we are currently

[00:32:50] coordinating right now

[00:32:51] for eight additional ones

[00:32:53] along with what they see

[00:32:54] on the website.

[00:32:55] But if they are

[00:32:57] outside of one

[00:32:58] that we're currently

[00:32:58] not serving,

[00:33:00] I encourage them

[00:33:01] to contact me directly

[00:33:03] through that website.

[00:33:05] They can insert an email there.

[00:33:08] It will come to me

[00:33:10] and we can work together

[00:33:12] with me contacting

[00:33:13] the local director,

[00:33:15] hopefully the chaplain

[00:33:16] of that base

[00:33:18] to see if we can get

[00:33:19] a ministry going

[00:33:20] on the base

[00:33:20] in their area as well.

[00:33:21] Very good.

[00:33:22] Let's take a break.

[00:33:22] When we come back,

[00:33:23] we'll come back a little bit more

[00:33:24] and talk about

[00:33:24] what that entails.

[00:33:26] And then again,

[00:33:27] just want you to consider

[00:33:28] what you might do.

[00:33:30] I know some of you

[00:33:30] have had a great ministry

[00:33:31] in prisons

[00:33:32] and many of you

[00:33:33] have had ministry

[00:33:34] through Child Evangelism Fellowship.

[00:33:36] Now here's a way

[00:33:37] to have a ministry

[00:33:38] in the area

[00:33:39] of the military,

[00:33:40] especially with

[00:33:41] these military children.

[00:33:42] So let's take a break.

[00:33:43] We'll continue our conversation

[00:33:44] right after this.

[00:33:56] You're listening

[00:33:56] to Point of View,

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[00:34:01] Back for a few more minutes,

[00:34:02] Dr. Andy Bunn with us.

[00:34:03] Again, he is the director

[00:34:04] of the Military Children's Ministry,

[00:34:07] which is part

[00:34:08] of Child Evangelism Fellowship.

[00:34:09] And Andy,

[00:34:10] I think a lot of people

[00:34:11] kind of would want to know,

[00:34:12] well, what does this entail

[00:34:13] in terms of activity?

[00:34:14] But probably the best way

[00:34:15] to answer that

[00:34:16] is for you to explain

[00:34:18] what a good news club is,

[00:34:20] because that really

[00:34:21] is kind of the foundation

[00:34:22] of what you do.

[00:34:23] So what happens

[00:34:24] in a good news club

[00:34:25] and how can people

[00:34:26] be involved in that,

[00:34:28] whether in their local

[00:34:29] CEF community

[00:34:31] or even in this

[00:34:32] military outreach?

[00:34:35] A good news club

[00:34:36] is an intentional

[00:34:39] weekend and week out club

[00:34:41] that meets generally

[00:34:43] after school

[00:34:44] for about an hour

[00:34:45] and a half each week

[00:34:46] and usually ranges

[00:34:48] from about six weeks

[00:34:50] to eight weeks

[00:34:50] during each semester

[00:34:51] of the elementary school year.

[00:34:54] And a group of volunteers

[00:34:55] come together

[00:34:56] to meet with children,

[00:34:58] elementary school children,

[00:35:00] for that amount of time.

[00:35:02] And there's an intentional

[00:35:04] Bible verse,

[00:35:06] memory verse

[00:35:07] that each child learns

[00:35:08] during that time.

[00:35:09] There's a gospel message

[00:35:11] shared that each child

[00:35:13] hears each time.

[00:35:15] There's also games,

[00:35:17] snacks,

[00:35:18] because kids love snacks

[00:35:19] just as I love snacks.

[00:35:21] And it's just a really

[00:35:23] good time for children

[00:35:25] to get together

[00:35:25] and ultimately

[00:35:26] to learn about Jesus,

[00:35:29] to have the gospel

[00:35:30] shared with them,

[00:35:31] but also have a whole lot

[00:35:32] of fun.

[00:35:32] children

[00:35:34] the adults

[00:35:35] who serve

[00:35:38] get to witness

[00:35:39] the smiles on faces

[00:35:40] of little children

[00:35:41] as

[00:35:42] they have the privilege

[00:35:44] to share the gospel

[00:35:45] with them.

[00:35:45] And so we do that

[00:35:47] traditionally

[00:35:47] throughout the world

[00:35:50] and then specifically

[00:35:51] with our group

[00:35:52] of volunteers

[00:35:53] that serve

[00:35:54] military bases.

[00:35:55] So let's talk about

[00:35:56] what you are maybe

[00:35:57] asking individuals

[00:35:58] to do

[00:35:59] if they would want

[00:36:00] to volunteer.

[00:36:01] Obviously,

[00:36:02] they'll have to

[00:36:02] be checked out

[00:36:04] in terms of that.

[00:36:04] We just don't let

[00:36:05] anybody walk in

[00:36:06] and work with children.

[00:36:07] But once that has been done

[00:36:09] and certain things

[00:36:10] have been checked out

[00:36:11] and forms filled out

[00:36:12] and all the rest,

[00:36:13] it does seem to me

[00:36:14] that really

[00:36:15] the primary need

[00:36:16] is for a love

[00:36:17] of children

[00:36:18] and obviously

[00:36:18] a Christian conviction.

[00:36:20] I've had some volunteers

[00:36:21] say over the years,

[00:36:22] I hate to admit it,

[00:36:23] but I've never memorized

[00:36:24] any verses.

[00:36:25] But when I see these kids

[00:36:26] memorizing verses,

[00:36:26] I figure I better

[00:36:27] memorize them too

[00:36:28] since I'm going to be

[00:36:28] their leader.

[00:36:29] So it's a growth

[00:36:30] opportunity

[00:36:31] and also a ministry

[00:36:32] opportunity,

[00:36:33] isn't it?

[00:36:34] Absolutely.

[00:36:35] I can tell you

[00:36:36] just in my short time

[00:36:37] I've been doing

[00:36:38] my role

[00:36:38] with Child Advocations

[00:36:40] Fellowship

[00:36:40] for three years

[00:36:41] and it's been

[00:36:42] an immensely

[00:36:44] great growth

[00:36:45] opportunity for me.

[00:36:47] But yes,

[00:36:48] all the materials

[00:36:50] are provided

[00:36:50] for the volunteers,

[00:36:52] the teachers

[00:36:53] to fulfill

[00:36:54] their roles.

[00:36:55] There's training

[00:36:56] that they would

[00:36:58] have to go through

[00:36:59] which is only

[00:36:59] about four

[00:37:01] to six hours

[00:37:02] of training

[00:37:02] and then

[00:37:04] they are actually

[00:37:05] given assignments

[00:37:06] as a team

[00:37:07] to serve

[00:37:09] and yes,

[00:37:10] they will

[00:37:11] automatically

[00:37:11] learn

[00:37:12] and memorize

[00:37:14] the verses

[00:37:14] as they teach

[00:37:15] but they'll also

[00:37:16] get the opportunity

[00:37:18] to teach

[00:37:18] the children

[00:37:19] as well.

[00:37:20] And so yes,

[00:37:21] it's a great ministry

[00:37:22] opportunity

[00:37:22] while the growth

[00:37:24] is exponential

[00:37:25] for the adults

[00:37:26] as well.

[00:37:27] I might just mention

[00:37:28] we do have some

[00:37:28] links here

[00:37:29] so let's talk

[00:37:29] about that

[00:37:30] for just a minute

[00:37:30] and that is

[00:37:31] that first of all

[00:37:33] we have next

[00:37:34] to your picture

[00:37:35] both a link

[00:37:36] to CEF

[00:37:39] around the world

[00:37:40] and that one

[00:37:41] will put you

[00:37:42] to Facebook

[00:37:42] and then we have

[00:37:43] the one

[00:37:43] used to be called

[00:37:44] Twitter

[00:37:45] now X

[00:37:46] and that is

[00:37:46] Child Evangelism

[00:37:47] at X

[00:37:48] so you can

[00:37:48] follow that

[00:37:49] we have a link

[00:37:50] to the website

[00:37:51] which is

[00:37:52] cefonline.com

[00:37:53] slash ministry

[00:37:54] slash MCM

[00:37:55] but you don't have

[00:37:56] to remember all that

[00:37:56] because we have

[00:37:57] the link there

[00:37:58] as you go there

[00:37:59] there's a place

[00:37:59] where you can learn

[00:38:00] more about the ministry

[00:38:01] there's some articles

[00:38:02] if you want to

[00:38:03] click on that button

[00:38:04] that says

[00:38:04] get involved

[00:38:05] to serve

[00:38:05] to pray

[00:38:06] to get information

[00:38:07] to find a local

[00:38:08] chapter

[00:38:09] it's all there

[00:38:09] and of course

[00:38:10] we have

[00:38:11] even a phone number

[00:38:12] and some other things

[00:38:14] so that if somebody

[00:38:15] says well I'd like

[00:38:16] to find out

[00:38:16] a little bit more

[00:38:17] maybe I could talk

[00:38:18] to Andy

[00:38:19] off air

[00:38:20] and learn about

[00:38:20] what is there

[00:38:21] or if you would

[00:38:22] like to give

[00:38:23] to this organization

[00:38:25] which is certainly

[00:38:26] worthy of your

[00:38:26] financial support

[00:38:27] your time

[00:38:28] your treasure

[00:38:29] and your talent

[00:38:30] can certainly be used

[00:38:31] through Child Evangelism

[00:38:32] Fellowship

[00:38:33] that is the case

[00:38:34] but again

[00:38:35] I think the first step

[00:38:36] is if you are

[00:38:37] located near

[00:38:38] a military base

[00:38:40] see if you already

[00:38:42] are located there

[00:38:43] maybe even pass

[00:38:45] this information

[00:38:45] on to somebody

[00:38:46] in your church

[00:38:47] who may be

[00:38:48] unaware

[00:38:49] that that could

[00:38:49] be another

[00:38:50] very significant

[00:38:51] and strategic

[00:38:52] outreach to people

[00:38:53] in the military

[00:38:54] there

[00:38:55] if you don't

[00:38:56] have one

[00:38:57] in your area

[00:38:57] and would like

[00:38:59] to know more

[00:38:59] we have that

[00:39:00] opportunity as well

[00:39:01] and I recognize

[00:39:02] that some of our

[00:39:03] listeners live

[00:39:05] I've been to enough

[00:39:06] of our radio stations

[00:39:06] down to know

[00:39:07] that some

[00:39:07] you can almost

[00:39:08] see the base

[00:39:09] from the radio station

[00:39:10] and you're in

[00:39:11] the same community

[00:39:12] there are others

[00:39:13] which are not

[00:39:13] located near a base

[00:39:15] but they may know

[00:39:16] somebody in the military

[00:39:17] may have had

[00:39:17] somebody in the military

[00:39:18] may have a family

[00:39:19] in the military

[00:39:20] that would like

[00:39:21] to know about this

[00:39:21] so you can go

[00:39:23] to our website

[00:39:23] and really hit on it

[00:39:26] push that red button

[00:39:27] that says watch

[00:39:28] or listen

[00:39:29] and then send them

[00:39:30] a podcast of that

[00:39:31] so Andy

[00:39:32] I really appreciate

[00:39:32] you taking the time

[00:39:33] to educate us

[00:39:34] about this

[00:39:35] and I think

[00:39:36] we can encourage

[00:39:37] people if they

[00:39:38] would like to have

[00:39:39] a ministry

[00:39:40] if they've been

[00:39:41] looking for a ministry

[00:39:42] or if they really

[00:39:43] have a concern

[00:39:43] about the needs

[00:39:45] in the military

[00:39:46] what better way

[00:39:47] to begin to develop

[00:39:48] an outreach

[00:39:49] in the military

[00:39:50] than to have

[00:39:51] a positive ministry

[00:39:52] in the children

[00:39:53] of those people

[00:39:53] who serve

[00:39:54] and so I think

[00:39:55] it's just one more

[00:39:56] way to show

[00:39:56] those people

[00:39:57] in the military

[00:39:57] how much we

[00:39:58] appreciate them

[00:39:59] and to have

[00:40:00] a ministry

[00:40:01] to the children

[00:40:02] that are affected

[00:40:03] I think perhaps

[00:40:04] more than anyone else

[00:40:06] by the fact

[00:40:06] that military families

[00:40:07] have to move

[00:40:08] all the time

[00:40:08] so Dr. Andy Bunn

[00:40:10] thank you for being

[00:40:11] with us today

[00:40:11] here on Point of View

[00:40:13] thank you so much

[00:40:14] for having me

[00:40:14] I really appreciate

[00:40:15] the opportunity

[00:40:16] let's if we can

[00:40:17] take a break

[00:40:18] and when we come back

[00:40:18] going to focus

[00:40:20] some time and attention

[00:40:21] next hour

[00:40:21] on first of all

[00:40:23] what is happening

[00:40:23] in the Middle East

[00:40:24] we sort of covered

[00:40:25] that yesterday

[00:40:26] but we're going to have

[00:40:27] Homo Shariat on

[00:40:28] he is with Iran

[00:40:30] Alive Ministries

[00:40:31] so we'll be talking

[00:40:32] about that very

[00:40:33] important issue

[00:40:34] and I hope that

[00:40:35] you will stay

[00:40:36] for that

[00:40:37] and then we'll get

[00:40:38] back to some

[00:40:38] of the issues

[00:40:39] in the news

[00:40:40] one of the articles

[00:40:41] I've posted

[00:40:42] from the mayor

[00:40:43] of Dallas

[00:40:44] basically said

[00:40:45] that the fact

[00:40:46] that he

[00:40:47] as a democrat

[00:40:48] mayor of Dallas

[00:40:50] became a republican

[00:40:52] should have been

[00:40:53] a wake up call

[00:40:53] to some of his

[00:40:54] fellow democrats

[00:40:55] I think it's a very

[00:40:56] well written piece

[00:40:57] also the editor

[00:40:58] of Scientific American

[00:40:59] resigns because

[00:41:00] of some very

[00:41:01] very toxic

[00:41:03] anti-Trump

[00:41:04] things that were said

[00:41:05] but also we do

[00:41:06] want to get into

[00:41:07] not only what has

[00:41:08] happened in the

[00:41:08] Middle East

[00:41:09] with Iran

[00:41:09] but also some

[00:41:11] concerns about

[00:41:11] the fact that

[00:41:12] now Joe Biden

[00:41:13] is wanting to

[00:41:14] provide long

[00:41:16] range weapons

[00:41:17] to Ukraine

[00:41:19] will that increase

[00:41:20] tensions in that

[00:41:21] region

[00:41:22] are we headed

[00:41:23] towards some

[00:41:24] kind of possibly

[00:41:25] nuclear confrontation

[00:41:26] so we'll get into

[00:41:27] some of those

[00:41:28] very serious

[00:41:29] issues as well

[00:41:30] but as we take

[00:41:32] a break

[00:41:32] I think it would

[00:41:33] be appropriate

[00:41:33] to mention

[00:41:34] that again

[00:41:35] we are headed

[00:41:36] towards year

[00:41:37] end

[00:41:37] and if you

[00:41:38] would like to

[00:41:39] begin the

[00:41:40] conversation

[00:41:41] with your spouse

[00:41:42] or maybe just

[00:41:42] begin to think

[00:41:43] about it

[00:41:43] on your own

[00:41:44] about supporting

[00:41:45] this ministry

[00:41:46] we would greatly

[00:41:47] appreciate that

[00:41:47] in just a few

[00:41:48] weeks we have

[00:41:49] Giving Tuesday

[00:41:50] coming up

[00:41:51] and there's an

[00:41:51] opportunity for you

[00:41:52] to support this

[00:41:53] ministry as well

[00:41:54] and as I mentioned

[00:41:55] just a minute ago

[00:41:56] lots of resources

[00:41:57] we like to put

[00:41:58] in the hands

[00:41:59] of those people

[00:41:59] that join with us

[00:42:01] on the Truth

[00:42:01] Team

[00:42:02] that's a dollar

[00:42:03] a day

[00:42:03] $30 a month

[00:42:04] or more

[00:42:05] and you receive

[00:42:06] of course the

[00:42:07] booklets

[00:42:07] and I will be

[00:42:08] holding up some

[00:42:08] others next hour

[00:42:09] when we talk

[00:42:09] about some of

[00:42:10] these other

[00:42:11] foreign policy

[00:42:12] issues

[00:42:12] and so that's

[00:42:13] one of the many

[00:42:14] benefits we put

[00:42:15] in your hands

[00:42:15] so whether

[00:42:16] a one time

[00:42:17] gift

[00:42:18] or a year end

[00:42:19] gift

[00:42:19] we certainly

[00:42:20] want you to

[00:42:21] begin thinking

[00:42:21] about supporting

[00:42:22] this ministry

[00:42:23] and if you do

[00:42:24] so we would

[00:42:24] greatly appreciate

[00:42:25] that

[00:42:26] we've already

[00:42:26] spent some time

[00:42:27] for example

[00:42:28] talking about

[00:42:28] whether or not

[00:42:29] we might begin

[00:42:30] to bring America

[00:42:31] back to normal

[00:42:32] again

[00:42:32] we talked about

[00:42:34] the issue

[00:42:34] of recess

[00:42:35] appointments

[00:42:35] and maybe

[00:42:36] giving you

[00:42:37] more information

[00:42:37] than you've

[00:42:38] heard anywhere

[00:42:38] else

[00:42:39] about that

[00:42:40] and even

[00:42:40] about the

[00:42:41] government

[00:42:41] efficiency

[00:42:42] department

[00:42:43] and of course

[00:42:44] you've heard

[00:42:44] a little bit

[00:42:45] about child

[00:42:45] evangelism fellowship

[00:42:46] and this

[00:42:47] military children's

[00:42:48] ministry

[00:42:48] so if you

[00:42:49] value the

[00:42:50] kind of news

[00:42:51] information

[00:42:51] commentary

[00:42:52] that we provide

[00:42:53] we hope that

[00:42:54] you will consider

[00:42:54] supporting us

[00:42:55] and also

[00:42:56] support the

[00:42:56] local radio

[00:42:57] station that

[00:42:57] carries this

[00:42:58] program

[00:42:58] because we

[00:42:59] couldn't do it

[00:43:00] without them

[00:43:00] let's take a

[00:43:01] break though

[00:43:02] we'll come back

[00:43:02] and talk about

[00:43:03] the Middle East

[00:43:04] and Iran

[00:43:05] right after these

[00:43:06] important messages

[00:43:07] it almost seems

[00:43:11] like we live in

[00:43:12] a different world

[00:43:13] from many people

[00:43:15] in positions of

[00:43:16] authority

[00:43:16] they say

[00:43:17] men can be

[00:43:18] women

[00:43:18] and women

[00:43:19] men

[00:43:19] people are

[00:43:20] prosecuted

[00:43:21] differently

[00:43:22] or not at all

[00:43:23] depending on

[00:43:24] their politics

[00:43:24] criminals are

[00:43:26] more valued

[00:43:26] and rewarded

[00:43:27] than law abiding

[00:43:29] citizens

[00:43:29] it's so

[00:43:30] overwhelming

[00:43:31] so demoralizing

[00:43:33] you feel like

[00:43:34] giving up

[00:43:34] but we can't

[00:43:36] we shouldn't

[00:43:37] we must not

[00:43:38] as Winston Churchill

[00:43:39] said to Britain

[00:43:40] in the darkest days

[00:43:41] of World War II

[00:43:42] never give in

[00:43:44] never give in

[00:43:45] never

[00:43:45] never

[00:43:46] never

[00:43:46] never yield

[00:43:48] to force

[00:43:48] never yield

[00:43:49] to the apparently

[00:43:50] overwhelming might

[00:43:51] of the enemy

[00:43:52] and that's what

[00:43:54] we say

[00:43:54] to you today

[00:43:55] this is not

[00:43:56] a time to give in

[00:43:57] but to step up

[00:43:59] and join

[00:44:00] point of view

[00:44:00] in providing clarity

[00:44:02] in the chaos

[00:44:03] we can't do it alone

[00:44:04] but together

[00:44:05] with God's help

[00:44:07] we will

[00:44:08] overcome the darkness

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