Point of View November 14, 2024 – Hour 2 : Thursday’s Notes

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Anderson.

[00:00:20] Second Hour, if you'd like to join the conversation, 1-800-351-1212 or just sit back and listen to some of the things we're learning about the filling out of the cabinet for the Trump administration.

[00:00:32] As I said yesterday, and it's worth saying again, this is unprecedented.

[00:00:38] I think that all of these cabinet officers are being announced so quickly at a time when, let's again put this in perspective,

[00:00:48] a week from ago we were still just kind of reflecting on the win that took place on November 5th,

[00:00:56] and here we are today, November 14th, and I think now if I'm counting correctly, a majority of the cabinet have been announced.

[00:01:06] And of course they will have to in many cases be ratified by the United States Senate because the Constitution requires advice and consent,

[00:01:16] and so that has been the assumption. Let me also raise the issue right now because it's been raised by other individuals

[00:01:23] that given the fact that some of these particular nominees are controversial, that's an understatement probably,

[00:01:31] there are ways in which presidents have in the past, and Donald Trump is willing to use the same tactics that have been used by others,

[00:01:41] Barack Obama being a good example of that, of ways if indeed you can't get a confirmation during the regular hours of a United States Senate

[00:01:53] or Congress, there are, and I think this is a misuse of this particular situation, but there are recess appointments that can take place,

[00:02:03] and those were intended back in the days in which people were traveling by horseback or train to be in some of those even before you had trains.

[00:02:13] And so as a result, if Congress was in recess and we needed a whatever, postmaster general, or we needed a secretary of war,

[00:02:24] now called secretary of defense, or whatever, that you wouldn't have to wait, there could be a recess appointment.

[00:02:30] Well, now we know that that is a game being played, but the game has been played by Democrats, so why couldn't the game be played by Republicans?

[00:02:38] So if indeed you come down the road and a Pete Hegseth or a Matt Gaetz or somebody like that is too controversial,

[00:02:47] that may be the way an individual is placed into that position.

[00:02:51] But let's, if we can, recognize that some of these appointments shouldn't be too controversial.

[00:02:58] You would hope that a United States Senator who has actually worked on foreign policy issues for some time by the name of Marco Rubio

[00:03:07] would be pretty simple to appoint and to confirm as the head of the State Department.

[00:03:14] But again, let's see what Donald Trump had to say.

[00:03:18] He said, leading the U.S. Department of State is a tremendous responsibility.

[00:03:21] That's what Marco Rubio said.

[00:03:23] And I'm honored by the trust President Trump has placed in me.

[00:03:26] As Secretary of State, I work every day to carry out his foreign policy agenda.

[00:03:31] Under the leadership of President Trump, we will deliver peace through strength and always put the interest of Americans in America above all else.

[00:03:39] I look forward to earning the support of my colleagues in the U.S. Senate so that the president has his national security and foreign policy team in place when he takes office on January 20th.

[00:03:50] Again, usually the first week of January, you have Congress meeting.

[00:03:57] This is where you ratify, of course, the Electoral College.

[00:04:00] Can anybody forget January 6th?

[00:04:02] Of course, that took place in 2021.

[00:04:05] But then also it's a time in which many of these individuals can be already hitting the ground running when they actually are then put into place when the president takes the oath of office on January 20th.

[00:04:17] So we'll see.

[00:04:18] I don't expect Marco Rubio to be too controversial.

[00:04:22] However, if you want to do some background research, we had a very good interview that we did first with Marco Rubio a while back with his book.

[00:04:32] I might even see if we can pull some of those out.

[00:04:35] Maybe Megan can put those on our highlights for Spotify if it's not already up there.

[00:04:40] But we also did an interview with an individual that had been in the State Department, and that's Mike Pompeo, talking about how difficult it was to move the State Department in the same way that he found it much easier to move the CIA.

[00:04:55] So those diplomats that are part of the State Department in what's called Foggy Bottom, that's kind of an inside the Beltway kind of discussion of the location of where the State Department is, will be certainly key.

[00:05:09] So Marco Rubio, probably not so controversial, but certainly we will see how that plays out.

[00:05:16] Another one, and I've posted the article here about Tulsi Gabbard, could be controversial if for no other reason than she started out as a Democrat, then became an Independent, and now a Republican.

[00:05:28] And yet, as an individual that would be the Director of National Intelligence would hold the same kind of position that we were talking about yesterday that was held by an individual that has been a member of Congress.

[00:05:43] And so it's not unusual for a member of Congress who has foreign policy interest to actually be the Director of National Intelligence.

[00:05:51] But again, this is how the announcement was made.

[00:05:55] I am pleased to announce that former Congresswoman and Lieutenant Colonel Tulsi Gabbard will serve as the Director of National Intelligence.

[00:06:03] For over two decades, Tulsi has fought for our country and the freedoms of our Americans.

[00:06:09] As a former candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, she has broad support in both parties.

[00:06:15] Maybe not so much now, but that's what he wrote.

[00:06:18] She's now a proud Republican.

[00:06:20] Then, of course, he goes on to say, President, I know Tulsi will bring the fearless spirit that has defined her illustrious career to our intelligence community, championing our constitutional rights and securing peace through strength.

[00:06:34] Tulsi will make us proud.

[00:06:36] And so that is the statement being made of Tulsi Gabbard.

[00:06:39] Tulsi Gabbard, who would have guessed that someone, she's now in her 40s, but when she first ran, I think as a legislator in Hawaii, she was the youngest ever to be elected.

[00:06:50] She was one of the youngest ever to be elected to Congress.

[00:06:53] Certainly one of the youngest ever run for president, which goes back many years.

[00:06:57] And now, of course, will be, I think, is probably pretty clear.

[00:07:02] I believe that she would have to have Senate confirmation as the director of national intelligence.

[00:07:06] So we'll see where that takes us as well.

[00:07:09] But when we come back, I want to also talk about another individual that will certainly be fulfilling a role that we've never really had before.

[00:07:18] And that is Elon Musk.

[00:07:21] But also with him will be Vivek Ramashwamy.

[00:07:24] As I mentioned in the first hour when we were doing the interview with Eric Hogue, Elon Musk points out that there are 428 federal agencies.

[00:07:34] To try to drive that home, he reminded us that there are more agencies than there are years that this republic has been in existence,

[00:07:44] which is a nice way of saying that we've created more agents, more than one agency a year.

[00:07:50] Of course, most of them have been created in the last three decades.

[00:07:53] But nevertheless, he wants to get that 428 federal agencies down to and he picked a number 99 federal agencies.

[00:08:02] If you don't think that will be controversial, well, you haven't been around Washington, D.C. any length of time.

[00:08:07] And so I want to come back and talk about that briefly before we get into some other issues, because it is, I think, important to recognize, as we talked about with Chuck Bantley on Monday, that we're headed in the wrong direction as a country.

[00:08:23] And the only way we're going to ever get close to even balancing a budget is increase income.

[00:08:29] There are some ways to do that.

[00:08:30] And the other is to decrease expenses.

[00:08:33] And when, again, Elon Musk is talking about trying to trim $2 trillion out of the federal deficit, that is going to be significant, but it's going to be a monumental task.

[00:08:47] Elon Musk.

[00:08:47] Let's take a break.

[00:08:48] We'll come back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] Elon Musk noted on X that giving more money to homeless charities in California did not seem to reduce the number of homeless people.

[00:09:10] In response, Constantine Kissin reminded him of the Cobra Effect, and he was surprised to discover how many people hadn't heard of it.

[00:09:17] Now, the Cobra Effect is based upon a story which may or may not have taken place during British colonial rule in India.

[00:09:23] According to the story, the British wanted to reduce the cobra population and offered a bounty for every dead cobra.

[00:09:30] But the cobra problem got worse because people realized that they could profit from this bounty and began raising cobras in farms.

[00:09:37] Now, when the government finally became aware of this practice, they discontinued the bounty program.

[00:09:42] The cobra breeders then decided to release their worthless snakes into the wild, making the problem worse.

[00:09:47] In the past, you know, I've talked about how the cobra effects surfaced in the attempt to combat racism.

[00:09:53] Anti-racist groups and organizations formed to combat racism, but they soon faced a problem.

[00:09:59] The demand to find racism was much larger than the supply.

[00:10:03] Soon we were hearing about such things as microaggressions and the charge of racism was thrown around indiscriminately.

[00:10:09] The problem of homelessness in California, Kissen argues, came not only from the attempts to deal with failing, but also with the results of well-intentioned policies, the deinstitutionalization movement, whose goal was to free people of the tyranny of mental asylums.

[00:10:25] The mentally ill people released into the streets fell through the cracks.

[00:10:30] Today, cities are littered with tents and drug addicts on the streets.

[00:10:34] These are just two examples of many others that remind us that good intentions don't always solve social problems.

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[00:11:04] Back once again, let me talk, if I could, for a few minutes about Elon Musk and the Government Efficiency Commission.

[00:11:10] Let me just hasten to add, as I certainly do sometimes when we talk about other individuals,

[00:11:16] when I talk about what Elon Musk is going to do and talk about some of the things that he wants to do in a favorable way,

[00:11:22] I'm not saying I agree with everything that Elon Musk has said, everything that Elon Musk has done,

[00:11:28] but I do think that he finds himself in a very unique set of circumstances.

[00:11:33] As an individual, if you followed his history, that came here from South Africa,

[00:11:40] really was somewhat instrumental in the development of PayPal and a number of other things,

[00:11:46] and then just sort of launched out on his own.

[00:11:48] Did he benefit from government largesse?

[00:11:51] Oh, certainly, in terms of some of the benefits there.

[00:11:53] But for individuals that are looking for an individual that might be a good role model for entrepreneurship,

[00:12:02] I think he fits a pretty good category.

[00:12:04] And he, with this kind of eye towards efficiency and eye towards what could be very significant changes that can take place in a company,

[00:12:16] in a corporation, a business, or now the government, brings a lot to the table.

[00:12:20] And so again, when you talk about the fact that we have 428 agencies, federal agencies,

[00:12:27] and many of them are overlapping, some of them are redundant, some of them quite frankly are unnecessary.

[00:12:35] And as he gets to work on this, his goal is to actually implement this commission and end it by the 4th of July in 2026.

[00:12:47] Why? Because that would be what, the 250th anniversary of this country.

[00:12:52] So it's talking about, really, an 18-month program of identifying and really beginning to carve out some of the very significant inefficiencies in the federal government.

[00:13:07] To put that in perspective, I will give you a preview to my commentary that will be out tomorrow.

[00:13:13] I will be out teaching college students in a very great opportunity.

[00:13:19] And so we'll have Liberty McCarter and, of course, you mentioned the other day by Radio Nathan Shackelford and others will be around the table.

[00:13:27] But my commentary is entitled Leviathan.

[00:13:31] Now, you've heard me talk about this because Ned Ryan actually has written a book called American Leviathan,

[00:13:38] The Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism.

[00:13:42] And he actually, in the article we make available that is associated with my commentary, asked questions like,

[00:13:49] What have I told you the President of the United States doesn't really run our government?

[00:13:52] Or that most people in Washington, D.C. don't really believe in representative democracy?

[00:13:57] Or a government of, by, and for the people is just an illusion?

[00:14:01] Might be a little bit of overstatement, but the point he's making here is that we've had this administrative state that Ned Ryan talks about.

[00:14:10] Vivek Ramashwamy stopped talking about the idea of the administrative state because he had people like Charlie Kirk say,

[00:14:16] When you say administrative state, people's eyes just glaze over and they just get bored.

[00:14:21] So he's now started talking about the managerial class.

[00:14:25] You're hearing a lot of people talking about just unelected bureaucrats.

[00:14:28] But whatever you want to call them, or the deep state or whatever, we have a massive bureaucracy,

[00:14:34] which goes all the way back to the progressive movement, which was established by Woodrow Wilson.

[00:14:39] And the idea by some of those individuals is certainly intelligent individuals who serve for decades in the government can make better and wiser decisions than people that are elected by a popular vote or even elected by the electoral vote.

[00:14:59] And this is why you have so many people in the bureaucracy that when a new sheriff comes into town, like Donald Trump, they can just look and say, yeah, you'll be here for four years, but I'm going to be here for 20.

[00:15:11] So I'm not going to pay that much attention to you.

[00:15:14] Or in some cases, I'm going to go out of my way to prevent you from enacting your agenda because I disagree with you.

[00:15:20] And so this is certainly something that has been a real problem.

[00:15:25] And while there are some people that still wonder whether or not there's a deep state, you can get my booklet that I wrote a while back on the history of the term deep state actually comes from Turkey and the history of the fact that we do have a bureaucracy, which is going to continue unless we find some ways to reduce the size and scope of government.

[00:15:47] And that will be a beneficiary to, first of all, you, the American taxpayer, but also a beneficiary on the fact that some of these bureaucracies exist really to do nothing else except write more regulations.

[00:16:02] And Donald Trump came in wanting to get rid of two regulations for every new one.

[00:16:07] It very quickly got to be 15 to 1, and I think it eventually ended up to be like 20 to 1.

[00:16:12] And that is helpful because although we do need government regulations, some of them are hamstringing and preventing entrepreneurial activity.

[00:16:22] Some of these regulations, as I even recently posted in one of my commentaries, even on tariffs, are obviously written in such a way to help one particular company, one particular agency, one particular group of companies.

[00:16:37] And it isn't certainly helpful to the American people.

[00:16:41] But as we talked about with Chuck Bantley on Monday, he reminds us that Elon Musk was really concerned about this in one of the All In podcast, which is a podcast done by called All In Summit, which are pretty much a gathering of people that are very wealthy, high income individuals, millionaires, billionaires.

[00:17:01] He said, America is going bankrupt extremely quickly, and everyone seems to be sort of whistling past the graveyard on this.

[00:17:11] And, of course, Chuck Bantley talked about the fact that this is due to something else that's developed from the 20th century, not only this progressive movement, but another thing called modern monetary theory,

[00:17:24] where you have economists, even politicians, arguing that really a currency is kind of like monopoly money.

[00:17:30] And you see that sometimes if you were to run out of money on your monopoly game, you would just issue some kind of IOUs until it all gets back and then you get rid of the IOUs.

[00:17:40] And it's the same kind of thing.

[00:17:42] We can ignore deficits.

[00:17:43] We can ignore a $36 trillion deficit and national debt, I should say.

[00:17:50] And as a result, every time we have to pay our debts, we can just print more money.

[00:17:55] And, of course, you know what happens when we print more money.

[00:17:58] More money for the same number of goods, the value of your dollar is worth less.

[00:18:03] And that is certainly one of the big concerns here as well.

[00:18:06] So this is why it has been really important for Elon Musk and Vivek Rameshwamy to begin to identify some areas of government,

[00:18:16] which, first of all, maybe aren't even needed anymore.

[00:18:20] Other areas of government, where you have two different agencies that actually overlap and are conflicting with one another.

[00:18:28] I've told stories on this program before of individuals trying to build buildings and say it was impossible to do it legally

[00:18:35] because if I followed the rules of one agency, by definition, I was breaking the rules and laws of a different agency.

[00:18:44] And how, in some cases, the cost of doing business has simply been, I'm just going to build the building or I'm going to develop the shopping center.

[00:18:55] I'm going to, in a particular, develop this area.

[00:18:58] Know fully well that I will be sued.

[00:19:01] I know of some very ethical businessmen in this community that went out of their way to try to go and get the Texas legislature, for example,

[00:19:09] to change some of the laws and rules and regulations.

[00:19:12] But all of the conflicting ideas themselves, interestingly enough, make it very difficult to move ahead.

[00:19:20] And so if you really want an entrepreneurial spirit, one that's going to be good for the American people,

[00:19:27] I think Elon Musk is really an individual that probably is at the right place at the right time to make some of those changes that need to be incorporated.

[00:19:37] I might just mention, as we go to a break, Elon Musk figures prominently in my commentary today because he was on X,

[00:19:46] noting that if you give more money to homeless entities and charities in California, it didn't seem to reduce the homeless population.

[00:19:55] And Constantine Kisson reminded him of the Cobra Effect and was surprised how many people hadn't heard of it.

[00:20:04] Of course, the Cobra Effect is based upon the idea that the British wanting to reduce the cobra population in India offered a bounty for every dead cobra.

[00:20:13] But what happened?

[00:20:14] Unintensive consequences.

[00:20:16] People started raising cobras in farms so that they could make more money.

[00:20:20] Well, when the government found out about that, it discontinued the bounty program.

[00:20:24] Now these cobras were worthless.

[00:20:27] And so these worthless snakes were released back into the wild.

[00:20:31] And it went from making a bad problem even worse.

[00:20:35] And the argument that he makes is when you talk about homelessness or many other topics,

[00:20:40] you can see that the so-called unintended consequences happen.

[00:20:45] And so anyway, my commentary today is about the Cobra Effect.

[00:20:49] Once again, illustrating one of the things that maybe next time we talk about homelessness,

[00:20:54] we'll get into in more detail.

[00:20:56] But even in that particular commentary, Elon Musk, in a peripheral way, shows up in the commentary.

[00:21:03] So if you'd like to read about it, it's available on the website, pointofview.net.

[00:21:08] When we come back, though, let's talk about a couple of these controversies.

[00:21:12] One is, okay, are we going to have targeted deportations?

[00:21:17] Are we going to have mass deportations?

[00:21:20] How is that going to take place?

[00:21:22] Byron York has done a very good job of explaining that.

[00:21:25] And that article is on the website.

[00:21:26] And we'll talk about this right after these messages.

[00:21:30] It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:21:36] They say men can be women and women men.

[00:21:40] People are prosecuted differently or not at all, depending on their politics.

[00:21:45] Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens.

[00:21:49] It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:21:53] You feel like giving up.

[00:21:54] But we can't.

[00:21:56] We shouldn't.

[00:21:57] We must not.

[00:21:58] As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II,

[00:22:03] never give in.

[00:22:04] Never give in.

[00:22:05] Never, never, never.

[00:22:07] Never yield to force.

[00:22:08] Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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[00:23:10] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again, let's see if we can talk about deportations.

[00:23:17] And again, we do not shy away from controversial topics,

[00:23:20] so I'm going to devote a segment here to try to give you some facts and figures,

[00:23:24] which you're not probably going to hear in too many other venues,

[00:23:28] because you have some people that say,

[00:23:30] we should deport them all.

[00:23:31] Well, that's never going to happen.

[00:23:33] And others, as soon as the first bus pulls out with people being deported

[00:23:38] or the first plane pulls out,

[00:23:41] you're going to actually have two things happen simultaneously.

[00:23:43] Number one, there are going to be some people that are here illegally

[00:23:46] that are going to wonder if they're next.

[00:23:48] But number two, you're going to have the hue and cry

[00:23:52] that comes from the mainstream media,

[00:23:54] the establishment media arguing that we're getting rid of people

[00:23:58] that could be fine, upstanding citizens in America.

[00:24:02] Neither of those two extremes are true,

[00:24:04] so let's talk about the reality.

[00:24:07] The most recent figures that we have from Immigration and Customs Enforcement,

[00:24:13] and this is on the second page of this article by Byron York,

[00:24:16] so you can look it up for yourself,

[00:24:18] as of September 30th last year, 2023,

[00:24:21] there were 1,292,000, almost 293,000 people in the country

[00:24:27] who are here illegally,

[00:24:29] who've had full legal due process,

[00:24:33] and have received a final deportation order from an immigration judge.

[00:24:38] Now, that's a year ago.

[00:24:39] What we need to estimate is probably now probably 1.3,

[00:24:46] maybe as high as 1.6 million people in this country

[00:24:51] that have already been processed and are supposed to be deported.

[00:24:55] You might say, I didn't know that.

[00:24:57] Well, because they are supposed to be deported,

[00:25:00] but there was absolutely no will on the part of the Biden-Harris administration

[00:25:05] to deport them.

[00:25:06] Which brings me back to one of my trivia questions I love to ask

[00:25:10] whenever we talk about deportation.

[00:25:11] Which president has deported more people than any other president?

[00:25:17] Most always, I get the answer, Donald Trump.

[00:25:19] No, it's Barack Obama.

[00:25:21] Now, part of that's not fair because Barack Obama's had eight years

[00:25:24] and Donald Trump had four,

[00:25:26] but even if you do a four-year to four-year comparison,

[00:25:30] again, you've got to understand that when Barack Obama was in office,

[00:25:34] even though he's a Democrat, even though he's a liberal,

[00:25:37] there were other liberal groups that referred to him

[00:25:40] in a casual sort of way, almost a snarky way,

[00:25:43] as the deporter-in-chief.

[00:25:45] So something happened from a time in which,

[00:25:48] we're going to talk about Bernie Sanders in the next segment,

[00:25:51] in which we actually said,

[00:25:53] we don't want people here illegally

[00:25:55] because they're affecting unions and other people

[00:25:57] that are a constituency,

[00:25:59] to now let's bring them all in

[00:26:00] because there may be future voters.

[00:26:01] So first of all, we've got to understand

[00:26:04] that deportation is something that should have been taking place,

[00:26:09] and now that you have Donald Trump tapping Tom Holman,

[00:26:15] that's H-O-M-A-N, Tom Holman,

[00:26:18] as the border czar,

[00:26:20] by the way, there's no title there,

[00:26:22] we already knew that when we talked about that with Kamala Harris,

[00:26:25] but he is the one that will be in charge of that,

[00:26:29] in part because I thought he might actually be

[00:26:32] the Secretary of Homeland Security,

[00:26:33] but I think he'd just be too controversial in that regard.

[00:26:37] And so he says,

[00:26:38] we're going to concentrate on public safety threats

[00:26:42] and national security threats first

[00:26:44] because those are the worst of the worst.

[00:26:47] So it's going to be the worst first.

[00:26:50] Then how that's going to be done,

[00:26:52] we know a record number of people on the terrorist watch list

[00:26:55] have crossed this border.

[00:26:57] We know a record number of terrorists

[00:26:59] have been released in this country.

[00:27:01] We've already arrested some who are planning attacks.

[00:27:04] So again, the argument he's making is

[00:27:07] we're going to focus on the worst first.

[00:27:10] As I said, as soon as those buses head down to the border,

[00:27:15] soon as planes head out to other parts of the world,

[00:27:18] you're going to hear a lot of complaints.

[00:27:21] And part of that, to be fair,

[00:27:24] is due to the fact that the president-elect

[00:27:30] isn't always precise about his words.

[00:27:33] Let me give you an example.

[00:27:34] On November 2nd in a rally in Salem, Virginia,

[00:27:39] President-elect Donald Trump pledged

[00:27:40] to launch the largest deportation of criminals

[00:27:43] in American history.

[00:27:45] And he said that about a dozen times.

[00:27:47] But then other times,

[00:27:49] you can go back to his rally in South Bronx on May 24th,

[00:27:53] pledged to immediately begin the largest criminal deportation

[00:27:57] operation in the country's history.

[00:27:59] And so in some respects,

[00:28:01] he's talking about criminals,

[00:28:03] but sometimes he just says,

[00:28:04] we're going to deport as many as we can.

[00:28:07] So what are we talking about?

[00:28:08] Well, I think, again,

[00:28:10] you have to understand that there are going to be people

[00:28:13] who are going to be against deporting individuals generally.

[00:28:17] And because of that,

[00:28:19] are certainly not going to tell you

[00:28:21] that the people that are being deported

[00:28:22] are here who actually have gone through

[00:28:25] a full legal due process.

[00:28:28] And frankly,

[00:28:29] the first individuals that most likely will be deported

[00:28:33] will indeed be the individuals that,

[00:28:37] according to Tom Holman,

[00:28:38] now the incoming boarders are,

[00:28:41] would be the worst of the worst.

[00:28:43] And so that is certainly the case.

[00:28:46] And as a result,

[00:28:47] the question is,

[00:28:48] the vast majority of these individuals

[00:28:50] that we want to actually deport

[00:28:52] are not currently in detention.

[00:28:55] Some are.

[00:28:56] So the first thing is,

[00:28:58] clear out those individuals that are behind bars.

[00:29:01] But very quickly,

[00:29:02] these orders of deportation

[00:29:05] are going to have to require

[00:29:07] going into communities

[00:29:08] in order to actually find those individuals

[00:29:12] and to deport them.

[00:29:14] Now you run into the fact

[00:29:16] that many of these so-called sanctuary states

[00:29:19] and sanctuary cities have said,

[00:29:21] we're not going to cooperate

[00:29:22] with the federal government.

[00:29:24] Just saw an interview the other day

[00:29:25] with the governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

[00:29:29] And you have to,

[00:29:30] I think if you're an honest person

[00:29:32] trying to just understand

[00:29:33] this situation with deportation,

[00:29:36] ask,

[00:29:37] well, let me understand,

[00:29:38] Madam Governor,

[00:29:39] are you saying then

[00:29:41] that you will not cooperate

[00:29:42] when there are known criminals

[00:29:45] in Massachusetts,

[00:29:47] known terrorists in Massachusetts,

[00:29:49] you're not going to cooperate

[00:29:50] with the federal government

[00:29:51] and you're going to do all you can

[00:29:53] to bluff that

[00:29:54] because you want to what?

[00:29:55] Do I understand you correctly?

[00:29:57] Want to actually prohibit

[00:29:59] the removal of individuals

[00:30:01] who are known criminals,

[00:30:03] individuals who are known terrorists

[00:30:04] from your state?

[00:30:06] If the American people understood that,

[00:30:09] I think it would be difficult

[00:30:11] for that governor to win re-election.

[00:30:13] But I think there's going to be

[00:30:15] a real attempt oftentimes

[00:30:17] to blur all of this.

[00:30:19] And I've already seen

[00:30:20] some of the pundits

[00:30:21] talking about

[00:30:22] where we're going to be

[00:30:23] deporting grandmothers

[00:30:25] and aunts and uncles.

[00:30:26] Well, if the grandmother

[00:30:27] or an aunt and uncle

[00:30:28] is a criminal

[00:30:30] or a terrorist,

[00:30:31] yeah, maybe we will.

[00:30:32] But that is, of course,

[00:30:33] to play on your emotions.

[00:30:35] One of the great ironies,

[00:30:37] and again,

[00:30:37] I encourage you to read

[00:30:38] this article by Byron York,

[00:30:40] is that the memorandum

[00:30:42] that was created

[00:30:43] under the Homeland Security

[00:30:46] head Alejandro Mejoras

[00:30:47] may be the one that they use.

[00:30:50] Because again,

[00:30:51] in that memo,

[00:30:53] he said,

[00:30:54] and then this is again

[00:30:55] the current head

[00:30:57] of Homeland Security

[00:30:59] under Biden-Harris,

[00:31:00] he says,

[00:31:02] we will prioritize

[00:31:02] for apprehension

[00:31:04] and removal

[00:31:05] non-citizens

[00:31:06] who are a threat

[00:31:07] toward national security,

[00:31:08] public safety,

[00:31:09] and border security.

[00:31:11] That first group

[00:31:12] would be what?

[00:31:13] Terrorists and spies.

[00:31:15] The second group

[00:31:16] is criminals.

[00:31:18] And the third group

[00:31:19] are those who are seen

[00:31:21] as threats

[00:31:22] to border security.

[00:31:23] What does that mean?

[00:31:25] Well, again,

[00:31:25] quoting again

[00:31:26] from the current

[00:31:27] Secretary of Homeland Security,

[00:31:30] a non-citizen

[00:31:31] is a threat

[00:31:31] to border security

[00:31:32] if A,

[00:31:33] they are apprehended

[00:31:34] at the border port

[00:31:35] of entry

[00:31:36] while attempting

[00:31:37] to unlawfully

[00:31:38] enter the United States

[00:31:39] or B,

[00:31:40] are apprehended

[00:31:41] in the United States

[00:31:42] after unlawfully

[00:31:43] entering

[00:31:43] after November 1, 2020.

[00:31:46] And so,

[00:31:47] that, of course,

[00:31:48] brings us to

[00:31:49] what about

[00:31:49] the individuals

[00:31:50] that have come

[00:31:51] under Biden later.

[00:31:53] And, of course,

[00:31:54] we'll see where

[00:31:54] that takes us.

[00:31:55] But right now,

[00:31:56] you really would have

[00:31:57] difficulty

[00:31:58] characterizing these

[00:32:00] as mass deportations

[00:32:02] unless your definition

[00:32:04] of mass deportations

[00:32:06] is deporting

[00:32:08] a million people

[00:32:09] who have actually

[00:32:11] been through

[00:32:12] due process.

[00:32:13] They've actually

[00:32:14] gone through

[00:32:14] legal due process

[00:32:16] and have received

[00:32:17] final deportation

[00:32:19] orders

[00:32:20] from an immigration

[00:32:21] judge.

[00:32:22] My theory is,

[00:32:24] although when I bring

[00:32:25] this up,

[00:32:25] most people roll

[00:32:26] their eyes

[00:32:26] and doubt me,

[00:32:28] my theory is,

[00:32:28] is once we start

[00:32:30] those buses

[00:32:31] rolling,

[00:32:32] once people start

[00:32:33] being put on

[00:32:34] airplanes

[00:32:35] to be deported,

[00:32:36] I suspect that

[00:32:37] many other

[00:32:38] individuals

[00:32:39] will self-deport.

[00:32:41] Maybe not all,

[00:32:43] maybe some

[00:32:43] that are terrorists

[00:32:44] will do their

[00:32:45] best to hide out,

[00:32:47] but some criminals

[00:32:48] recognize it's only

[00:32:49] a matter of time

[00:32:50] before I get caught,

[00:32:51] only a matter of time

[00:32:53] before I am taken

[00:32:54] from a set of

[00:32:55] circumstances,

[00:32:56] and maybe I would

[00:32:57] be better heading

[00:32:58] back to my

[00:33:00] country of origin

[00:33:01] rather than to

[00:33:03] actually find myself

[00:33:04] behind bars

[00:33:05] and eventually

[00:33:06] handcuffed and put

[00:33:08] on an airplane

[00:33:08] or on a bus.

[00:33:10] So we'll see what

[00:33:10] happens,

[00:33:11] but that,

[00:33:12] I think,

[00:33:13] is my initial

[00:33:14] sort of deep

[00:33:15] dive into the

[00:33:17] issue of deportation,

[00:33:19] and if you start

[00:33:20] hearing various

[00:33:22] pundits talking

[00:33:23] about how

[00:33:24] outrageous these

[00:33:26] deportations are,

[00:33:27] just remember

[00:33:28] that we,

[00:33:29] even a year ago,

[00:33:30] had 1.2,

[00:33:32] almost 1.3

[00:33:33] million people

[00:33:34] that have already

[00:33:35] been through a

[00:33:36] full legal due

[00:33:37] process and have

[00:33:38] already been

[00:33:39] ordered to deport

[00:33:40] from an

[00:33:40] immigration judge.

[00:33:42] Those are the

[00:33:43] first ones to

[00:33:43] go out the

[00:33:44] door.

[00:33:44] Let's take a

[00:33:45] break.

[00:33:45] I board a

[00:33:46] confer,

[00:33:46] and we'll

[00:33:47] do that

[00:33:47] right after

[00:33:48] this.

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[00:34:01] Back for a few

[00:34:01] more minutes,

[00:34:02] let's talk about

[00:34:02] what's going on

[00:34:03] in the Democratic

[00:34:03] Party,

[00:34:04] and what I

[00:34:04] thought was so

[00:34:05] interesting is

[00:34:06] there are some

[00:34:07] people that have

[00:34:09] expressed their

[00:34:09] outrage at just

[00:34:10] the way in which

[00:34:11] the Democratic

[00:34:12] Party raised

[00:34:13] funds for the

[00:34:14] attempted election

[00:34:17] of Kamala

[00:34:17] Harris.

[00:34:18] And a good

[00:34:19] way to see

[00:34:19] that would be

[00:34:20] to maybe go to

[00:34:21] the Dark Horse

[00:34:22] podcast, not

[00:34:23] necessarily

[00:34:24] recommending it,

[00:34:25] but Dr.

[00:34:26] Brett Weinstein,

[00:34:27] an individual who

[00:34:28] was a professor

[00:34:29] at Evergreen

[00:34:30] College.

[00:34:30] We've talked

[00:34:31] about him

[00:34:31] before,

[00:34:32] evolutionist,

[00:34:33] atheist, but

[00:34:34] nevertheless a

[00:34:34] fair-minded

[00:34:35] individual who

[00:34:37] was kind of

[00:34:38] ousted because of

[00:34:39] all the wokeness

[00:34:40] and craziness and

[00:34:42] everything.

[00:34:42] Well, they had

[00:34:43] Dr. Heather

[00:34:44] Hyen on and

[00:34:46] they were talking

[00:34:47] about the

[00:34:48] situation which

[00:34:50] she described as

[00:34:52] Robin Hood in

[00:34:53] reverse.

[00:34:54] What are we

[00:34:54] talking about?

[00:34:56] Many of you

[00:34:57] probably received

[00:34:58] text messages.

[00:35:00] Nobody received

[00:35:01] as many text

[00:35:02] messages as I

[00:35:03] did because you

[00:35:04] got to understand

[00:35:05] that first of all

[00:35:06] I oftentimes go

[00:35:07] to websites that

[00:35:08] are not only

[00:35:09] Republican-based

[00:35:10] but Democratic-based,

[00:35:12] not only conservative

[00:35:13] but liberal.

[00:35:14] I've been a

[00:35:14] precinct chairman.

[00:35:15] I, of course,

[00:35:16] contributed to

[00:35:17] various parties and

[00:35:18] things of that

[00:35:18] nature.

[00:35:19] So I've seen a

[00:35:21] lot that perhaps

[00:35:22] nobody else has

[00:35:22] seen.

[00:35:23] But if you were

[00:35:24] a possible

[00:35:25] Democratic donor,

[00:35:27] what you would

[00:35:28] see are text

[00:35:29] messages that

[00:35:30] oftentimes would

[00:35:32] say, we need

[00:35:33] you to give

[00:35:34] $5, $10,

[00:35:35] $15.

[00:35:36] Matter of

[00:35:36] fact, if you

[00:35:37] were ever out

[00:35:37] on YouTube,

[00:35:38] you would see

[00:35:39] that Kamala

[00:35:40] Harris, Barack

[00:35:40] Obama, Tim

[00:35:42] Walls, and

[00:35:42] others wanting

[00:35:43] to get these

[00:35:44] small donations.

[00:35:45] And then we're

[00:35:46] interestingly enough

[00:35:47] told that we

[00:35:48] will then, that

[00:35:49] there is like an

[00:35:50] eight times match.

[00:35:52] And one of the

[00:35:54] things that Brett

[00:35:55] Weinstein and

[00:35:56] Heather Hyen were

[00:35:57] talking about is,

[00:35:58] if you have all

[00:35:59] this big money,

[00:36:00] this eight times

[00:36:01] the match, why

[00:36:02] do you need the

[00:36:03] small money?

[00:36:04] And the

[00:36:04] implication was,

[00:36:06] well, they wanted

[00:36:06] to make it look

[00:36:07] like there was

[00:36:08] more of a

[00:36:08] groundswell of

[00:36:09] support.

[00:36:10] In other words,

[00:36:11] basically, the

[00:36:12] Kamala Harris

[00:36:13] campaign was

[00:36:14] funded by big

[00:36:15] donors, but then

[00:36:17] in order to make

[00:36:18] it look like it

[00:36:19] wasn't just funded

[00:36:20] by big donors,

[00:36:21] we wanted to get

[00:36:22] a mass of small

[00:36:23] donors, but then

[00:36:25] we were asking

[00:36:26] these small donors

[00:36:26] to give money

[00:36:28] that they probably

[00:36:29] couldn't afford,

[00:36:29] $10, $20, $25,

[00:36:32] $50, whatever

[00:36:33] it might be, so

[00:36:34] they could turn

[00:36:34] right around, and

[00:36:36] here's the other

[00:36:36] bottom line, pay a

[00:36:38] million dollars

[00:36:40] to Oprah Winfrey,

[00:36:42] a million dollars

[00:36:43] to Beyonce, who

[00:36:45] then appeared as

[00:36:47] if they were there

[00:36:47] spontaneously, but

[00:36:49] were getting paid

[00:36:50] big dollars in

[00:36:52] order to actually

[00:36:54] attract crowds, or

[00:36:56] in one case I

[00:36:57] talked about the

[00:36:58] other day, spent

[00:36:58] $100,000 actually

[00:37:02] rebuilding a

[00:37:03] studio so that

[00:37:04] Kamala Harris didn't

[00:37:05] have to travel to

[00:37:05] that studio.

[00:37:06] Just unbelievable

[00:37:08] amounts of money

[00:37:09] that were spent,

[00:37:10] and who was

[00:37:11] funding it?

[00:37:12] A lot of these

[00:37:13] small Democratic

[00:37:14] donors.

[00:37:15] So you can see

[00:37:16] why Dr. Heather

[00:37:17] Hyen was talking

[00:37:19] about this as

[00:37:20] being Robin Hood

[00:37:21] in reverse.

[00:37:22] Well, some of the

[00:37:23] other criticisms

[00:37:24] are coming about

[00:37:26] whether or not

[00:37:27] whether wokeism

[00:37:29] was working, and

[00:37:30] that brings me to

[00:37:31] my piece, which

[00:37:32] again is from an

[00:37:32] individual that

[00:37:33] would not agree

[00:37:34] with many things we

[00:37:35] talk about on

[00:37:35] this program,

[00:37:36] Neil Brown.

[00:37:37] He called it

[00:37:38] Bernie Sanders

[00:37:39] Screams More Cowbell.

[00:37:41] Now if you

[00:37:42] understand cowbell,

[00:37:43] you might remember

[00:37:44] the old Saturday

[00:37:45] Night Live skit

[00:37:46] where they're

[00:37:47] singing a song,

[00:37:49] and my producer

[00:37:50] was reminding me

[00:37:51] which song that

[00:37:51] was, but we'll

[00:37:52] leave that off to

[00:37:53] the table for the

[00:37:53] moment, and then

[00:37:54] you have an

[00:37:57] individual coming

[00:37:58] in going,

[00:37:58] more cowbell,

[00:37:59] and this is a

[00:38:00] way of saying

[00:38:00] let's have more

[00:38:02] of something that

[00:38:02] isn't working,

[00:38:03] I guess is a

[00:38:04] good way to

[00:38:05] say that, and

[00:38:06] again, Neil Brown

[00:38:07] puts it this way,

[00:38:08] as Americans voted

[00:38:09] decisively for a

[00:38:10] candidate who

[00:38:10] explicitly rejects

[00:38:12] nearly everything

[00:38:12] that Bernie Sanders

[00:38:14] advocates, Vermont's

[00:38:15] senior senator insists

[00:38:17] that the Democratic

[00:38:17] Party isn't liberal

[00:38:19] enough.

[00:38:21] I can't say this

[00:38:22] without a little bit

[00:38:23] of a smile on my

[00:38:24] face.

[00:38:24] The mindset of

[00:38:25] the far left, he

[00:38:25] says, seems to be

[00:38:26] that the working

[00:38:27] class just needs

[00:38:28] more of what they

[00:38:29] just voted against.

[00:38:30] For Bernie, the

[00:38:31] answer is always

[00:38:32] more cowbell.

[00:38:33] He points out

[00:38:34] the fact that

[00:38:35] when Scranton,

[00:38:36] Joe, that was

[00:38:37] Joe Biden, came

[00:38:38] into office, he

[00:38:39] was really

[00:38:40] presented as a

[00:38:41] pro-energy, pro-growth,

[00:38:42] pro-worker, old-school

[00:38:43] Democrat.

[00:38:44] But then, and

[00:38:45] again, Neil Brown

[00:38:46] obviously is more

[00:38:47] of a liberal but not

[00:38:48] a leftist, said

[00:38:49] once the Elizabeth

[00:38:50] Warren camp took

[00:38:51] over and the

[00:38:52] Bernie Sanders

[00:38:53] camp took over,

[00:38:54] they then ensued

[00:38:56] an overt shift,

[00:38:57] and so we went

[00:38:59] from a position

[00:39:00] that Joe Biden

[00:39:01] had of all of

[00:39:02] the above energy

[00:39:03] strategy to one

[00:39:05] that actually was

[00:39:07] an attempt to do

[00:39:08] all it can to

[00:39:10] completely get rid

[00:39:12] of everything from

[00:39:14] liquid natural gas

[00:39:15] facilities, which

[00:39:17] sent the wrong

[00:39:17] message to our

[00:39:19] allies, he says,

[00:39:20] around the world,

[00:39:21] and it was a

[00:39:22] betrayal of tens

[00:39:23] of thousands of

[00:39:24] energy workers in

[00:39:25] Pennsylvania.

[00:39:26] Then he goes on to

[00:39:27] take another issue.

[00:39:28] He says, then this

[00:39:30] massive drive, he

[00:39:31] says, for student

[00:39:32] debt relief, he

[00:39:34] says, is another

[00:39:35] example of how the

[00:39:36] left wing of the

[00:39:37] party is out of

[00:39:38] touch with the

[00:39:39] working class

[00:39:39] Americans.

[00:39:40] By sending out

[00:39:41] over $400 billion

[00:39:43] to college graduates,

[00:39:45] the non-college

[00:39:46] working class

[00:39:47] Americans received a

[00:39:48] clear message.

[00:39:49] Democrats believe

[00:39:50] contributions to

[00:39:51] society by the

[00:39:52] college educated

[00:39:53] are more important

[00:39:54] than mine.

[00:39:55] Again, these are

[00:39:57] some statements

[00:39:57] being made by a

[00:39:58] Democrat, Neil

[00:39:59] Brown.

[00:40:00] He takes on

[00:40:01] another one then,

[00:40:02] because as inflation

[00:40:04] eroded their

[00:40:05] spending power,

[00:40:06] these workers

[00:40:07] didn't get tens

[00:40:08] of thousands of

[00:40:09] dollars in

[00:40:10] government paybacks

[00:40:12] or grants or

[00:40:13] student loan

[00:40:14] freedom and all

[00:40:16] the rest, but

[00:40:17] instead they saw

[00:40:18] more and more

[00:40:19] privileged Americans

[00:40:20] cashing those

[00:40:21] checks.

[00:40:22] Then, he goes on

[00:40:23] to say that the

[00:40:24] broad anti-business

[00:40:26] rhetoric of

[00:40:27] Bernie Sanders

[00:40:28] and Elizabeth

[00:40:29] Warren.

[00:40:29] He says it's

[00:40:30] out of step with

[00:40:31] everyday needs and

[00:40:33] struggles of

[00:40:33] Americans, and

[00:40:35] talked about the

[00:40:36] fact that we

[00:40:36] used to talk about

[00:40:37] paychecks and

[00:40:38] pocketbooks.

[00:40:39] Now we don't.

[00:40:40] Then finally, he

[00:40:41] says that the

[00:40:42] paralysis of Joe

[00:40:43] Biden at the

[00:40:44] border and an

[00:40:45] immigration policy

[00:40:47] was actually

[00:40:48] crucial and

[00:40:50] critical to the

[00:40:51] defeat of

[00:40:51] Kamala Harris.

[00:40:52] And so, the

[00:40:54] point he's

[00:40:54] making is,

[00:40:56] Bernie Sanders

[00:40:57] might have been

[00:40:57] right about one

[00:40:58] thing, because

[00:40:59] Bernie Sanders

[00:41:00] has said that the

[00:41:00] Democratic Party

[00:41:01] has abandoned the

[00:41:02] working class.

[00:41:03] You think?

[00:41:04] That is certainly

[00:41:05] evidenced by all

[00:41:06] of those graphs and

[00:41:07] charts, some of

[00:41:08] which we posted on

[00:41:09] Monday.

[00:41:10] But it is also

[00:41:11] true that he is

[00:41:14] completely out of

[00:41:15] step by saying we

[00:41:16] need more liberal,

[00:41:17] we need more

[00:41:18] cowbell, as he

[00:41:19] says.

[00:41:20] If anything, Neil

[00:41:21] Brown argues, even

[00:41:23] though he's the

[00:41:23] director of the

[00:41:25] Progressive Policy

[00:41:26] Institute, he

[00:41:28] recognizes that some

[00:41:29] of these policies

[00:41:30] were not a good

[00:41:31] idea, and his

[00:41:33] argument is we

[00:41:34] must re-center the

[00:41:35] Democratic Party,

[00:41:36] we must listen to

[00:41:37] Americans, and

[00:41:38] fashion policies that

[00:41:40] reflect an

[00:41:40] understanding of

[00:41:41] what they need and

[00:41:42] want.

[00:41:42] We cannot bend

[00:41:44] further to the

[00:41:44] left's, and this is

[00:41:45] his words, delusional

[00:41:47] assistance that the

[00:41:48] working class just

[00:41:49] doesn't know what

[00:41:50] is best for them.

[00:41:51] So he may be the

[00:41:53] head of the

[00:41:53] Progressive Policy

[00:41:54] Institute, he may

[00:41:56] call himself a

[00:41:57] progressive, but I

[00:41:58] think what he's

[00:41:58] saying is, even

[00:42:00] though I'm a

[00:42:01] liberal, even

[00:42:01] though I'm a

[00:42:02] Democrat, these

[00:42:03] leftists are

[00:42:04] crazy, and if we

[00:42:06] head down this

[00:42:07] road, we're going

[00:42:08] to lose every

[00:42:09] single election in

[00:42:11] the future.

[00:42:12] So, again, I'm

[00:42:13] giving you a

[00:42:14] chance to hear

[00:42:15] from these

[00:42:16] individuals what

[00:42:17] they're saying to

[00:42:18] their own

[00:42:19] constituency, the

[00:42:21] Democratic Party

[00:42:22] right now, and

[00:42:23] even though Ernie

[00:42:24] Sanders thinks we're

[00:42:25] not liberal enough, I

[00:42:27] think there are

[00:42:28] other, maybe

[00:42:29] hopefully a little

[00:42:30] more common sense

[00:42:31] voices in the

[00:42:33] Democratic Party

[00:42:33] that might want to

[00:42:34] steer it in a

[00:42:36] different direction.

[00:42:37] We'll see how that

[00:42:38] plays out, but it's

[00:42:39] our last article on

[00:42:40] the website.

[00:42:40] If you'd like to

[00:42:41] read it, cover to

[00:42:42] cover, it's a

[00:42:43] fascinating read.

[00:42:44] That's all we have

[00:42:45] for today, though.

[00:42:45] First of all, I

[00:42:46] want to thank

[00:42:46] Megan for helping

[00:42:47] not only, of

[00:42:48] course, producing

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[00:42:49] and producing our

[00:42:51] Spotify best and

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[00:42:55] the commentaries that

[00:42:56] we are making

[00:42:57] available to you.

[00:42:58] But also want to

[00:42:59] thank Steve for

[00:43:01] producing the

[00:43:01] program, helping us

[00:43:03] understand what is

[00:43:04] going on, and we

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