Point of View November 12, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:00:22] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Round Table where we are shifting gears after our last hour where we really talked about a lot of cultural things that are so relevant to us now, even though they're challenging topics, they're important ones.

[00:00:35] And we're so grateful for Pastor Jonathan Teague. He's a senior associate pastor over at Prestonwood Baptist Church who joined us last hour.

[00:00:43] But now we're turning to our political discussion, which, of course, there's much to talk about in politics this week.

[00:00:50] And who better to do that with than Richard Lim? You know him well as the writer, speaker, author and historian.

[00:00:56] He is the head of This American President podcast and brings a lot of insight for us. So thank you for joining us today, Richard.

[00:01:05] Always good to be here, Chelsea.

[00:01:07] Of course. And continuing on with us this hour is Liberty McCarter. She is the Point of View writer and the podcast host and president of the Know Why podcast.

[00:01:16] So thanks for continuing on with us, Liberty.

[00:01:18] It's been a great conversation so far, Chelsea. Looking forward to this hour, too.

[00:01:21] It has so many big topics to talk about. But we are if you want to read on these topics, don't forget to go and listen to the last hour.

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[00:01:36] And you can read these topics or more. We're switching now to an article that we have posted on pointofview.net.

[00:01:43] Really, I'd love to talk about something. I think we're all analyzing in the week after such a big election cycle as we just ended.

[00:01:52] You know, last time we were all together, our world was one of uncertainty politically, at least, especially when it came to not just the president election, but all these down ballots that we've got constitutional ballot referendums on and amendments on our ballots to vote for or against.

[00:02:11] And now we can really do the good work of finding what our takeaways are.

[00:02:15] We do that deep dive as American people and look at what worked and why and what did not work and why for both campaigns.

[00:02:23] What are we seeing as our culture shifts here, not just politically, but culturally?

[00:02:29] And I'm excited to talk about it with you guys because you guys help us all process the world in such important ways.

[00:02:35] The first article is an article on The Hill dot com.

[00:02:38] It's five takeaways from the 2024 election polls.

[00:02:42] And really, I would say overall what we saw here, Richard, was just a pretty big demographic shift among the Republican and Democrat parties.

[00:02:52] And so we as Karl Rove has said so many times on Fox News, I've seen him say, you know, that President Trump has really solidified changing the DNA of the Republican Party and the GOP to a much more libertarian, big tent party.

[00:03:09] And I would affirm that, especially when you look at the data.

[00:03:13] We have Latino men moving toward President Trump in a big way in percentages that are historic margins, especially in comparison with the Biden 2020 percentages.

[00:03:26] You've got we'll talk about abortion in a little bit.

[00:03:29] So we'll skip that one.

[00:03:30] But the young vote shifting, which that one really shocked me after cancel culture kind of inundating us for years and years.

[00:03:38] I think that ran its course.

[00:03:41] And it's almost solidified in my mind, Richard, that cancel culture might really be dead because he had a we had male voters under 45 move, giving Trump six point lead to what he compared with President Biden in.

[00:03:56] And and that was a big shift.

[00:03:58] But even among women.

[00:03:59] And then we also have minority black voters who shifted to Trump.

[00:04:04] And so, Richard, I love for your takeaways.

[00:04:07] I'm hitting some of the high points, but feel free to deep dive into any and all of this.

[00:04:12] So there have been a number of what are called realigning elections in American history.

[00:04:19] And some of these are debated.

[00:04:23] The last one that almost everyone seems to agree was a realigning election was when FDR was elected in 1932.

[00:04:30] Some say Reagan's election was a realigning election.

[00:04:33] But we are definitely going through a realigning election right now.

[00:04:38] And just to be clear on the definition, realignments usually involve dramatically shifting coalitions and changes in the party stances on a number of issues.

[00:04:53] And we are seeing that right now fueled by Donald Trump.

[00:04:57] And it's been just 12 years since Mitt Romney was the Republican nominee.

[00:05:03] And that was kind of the last vestiges of the Republican Party of George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney.

[00:05:11] 12 years ago isn't that long ago.

[00:05:12] But if you look at what the party was then versus what it is now, it's more diverse.

[00:05:18] It's gotten younger.

[00:05:21] And it's dramatically different on a number of issues like tariffs or entitlement spending.

[00:05:28] And so this is a dramatic moment, and it is engineered by Donald Trump.

[00:05:34] This is Trump's America.

[00:05:38] We've had many important presidents, George W. Bush, in our lifetimes.

[00:05:42] George W. Bush was a consequential president, as was Barack Obama.

[00:05:45] But we're not living in there, America.

[00:05:47] And this is not Bush's GOP.

[00:05:49] This is Trump's GOP.

[00:05:51] So what you're saying, what you're describing is a historic trend.

[00:05:55] Donald Trump is putting his stamp on this era.

[00:05:58] He is the dominant political figure right now of the past decade and into the future.

[00:06:05] Richard, well said.

[00:06:07] What's so extraordinary about it is it really started, he started with the party platforms,

[00:06:11] which I don't know that the average American saw that in mainstream media.

[00:06:15] It wasn't widely reported.

[00:06:16] But, you know, we know from some of our work in Insider Ball how hard those socially conservative

[00:06:22] issues were fought internally at the state level GOPs where party platforms were trimmed away,

[00:06:30] especially on abortion rights issues, traditional marriage issues.

[00:06:32] You name it, all those socially conservative platforms.

[00:06:36] You know, there was a little there was an I would say I don't know if attack is the right word,

[00:06:42] but I would certainly say a shift away from those to more the libertarian route,

[00:06:46] which tends away from social conservatism and really just sticks to those social liberalism

[00:06:51] as well as economic liberalism.

[00:06:53] And so freedom across all platforms without a lot of boundaries.

[00:06:56] And I would say I would attribute a lot of this shift to that define those defining battles

[00:07:02] that happened in those GOP platform races, because what materialized from there is a big

[00:07:08] tent where it's you know, he's appealing and able to appeal to broad spectrums of Americans.

[00:07:13] But more than just for a policy standpoint, you know, when you think about this idea,

[00:07:18] for instance, that younger voters traditionally vote more liberally, you know,

[00:07:23] he's proven not to be different for him.

[00:07:26] He's appealed to younger voters.

[00:07:28] And I think that's because Liberty he's tapping into among all these demographics.

[00:07:32] You know, we heard much about young women, you know, you and I's demographics, suburban

[00:07:37] white women who was really, you know, Vice President Kamala Harris, her big appeal was to them.

[00:07:45] All of her ads were millions and hundreds of millions of ads designed for the woman vote.

[00:07:51] And they didn't really turn out for her.

[00:07:53] Many of them turned out for for Trump in bigger ways and margins than we've seen under Biden or

[00:07:59] Hillary Clinton in 2016.

[00:08:02] That was a surprise to me.

[00:08:04] And I wonder if you can help me dissect that a little bit.

[00:08:07] Well, I would say just really quickly that I the economic issues really came into play,

[00:08:12] because I think a lot of people, young women, young people, young women realized that it is a lot harder for them to just,

[00:08:21] you know, do things like pay bills and buy groceries and achieve the American dream.

[00:08:25] And so they are kind of putting aside some of those ideological battlefields and identity politics and saying,

[00:08:31] OK, what resonates with me right now in terms of what's best for my family?

[00:08:37] Well said.

[00:08:37] Well, more on this when we get back after our short break.

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[00:09:02] Last week, six states voted on pot initiatives and more are certain to come in the next election.

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[00:09:16] In a recent Breakpoint commentary, John Stonestreet concludes that the pot experiment has been a disaster.

[00:09:21] It has been a disaster for many reasons.

[00:09:23] The first reason is potency.

[00:09:26] Ann Coulter's recent column reminds us it's not your father's pot anymore.

[00:09:30] When I was growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area, the kids around me were using marijuana that had 2 to 3 percent THC.

[00:09:37] Today, the marijuana sold in cannabis dispensaries have about 15 to 25 percent THC.

[00:09:43] The National Institute on Drug Abuse reports that about 30 percent of cannabis users will become addicted, especially if they start before age 18.

[00:09:51] Health and safety are another reason.

[00:09:54] Just look at the statistics from states that have participated in this rushed social experiment to legalize marijuana.

[00:10:00] Increases in car crashes along with property crimes and violent crimes followed legalization.

[00:10:05] In Colorado, the first state to legalize recreational marijuana, marijuana DUIs increased, and 40 percent of stone drivers were under the age of 18.

[00:10:15] A third reason is mental health.

[00:10:17] I received a lot of pushback the first time I did a radio program with a guest documenting the link between marijuana use and schizophrenia.

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[00:10:32] Each year, more states are legalizing marijuana, but just because cannabis is becoming legal doesn't mean it is a good policy for individuals or for society.

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[00:11:04] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we're taking a look at some of the exit polls from President Trump's victory,

[00:11:11] or President-elect Trump's victory last week, which was really historic.

[00:11:18] I don't know.

[00:11:18] I think they said that a Republican president, Richard, had not won by this large of a popular vote in history.

[00:11:26] So he certainly did something right.

[00:11:29] We're going to be talking about some ways that Vice President Kamala's campaign could have done more right or some misses there.

[00:11:36] Richard, one thing that stood out to me in a conversation you and I had offline earlier this week is this idea of the importance of the actual full presidential election process,

[00:11:48] the primary process, appealing to your base, get out the vote.

[00:11:52] When we look at Vice President Harris, the way that she was selected by the powers that be, you know,

[00:12:00] it wasn't really a democratic process, and that shortchanged a lot of things in my mind.

[00:12:06] One, the entirety of the process requires you to really hone in on your talents as a candidate for either party.

[00:12:14] It requires you to learn how to fundraise and fundraise well, how to public speak and think on your toes

[00:12:19] and really adapt your speeches along the way and measure your speeches, what's resonating, what's not.

[00:12:26] Your live audiences are a big part of that.

[00:12:28] It teaches you how to be good at retail politics and handshaking and reaching out to your voters

[00:12:33] and understanding real Americans that you would be representing and what matters to them and what does not.

[00:12:39] And most importantly, it's a trial by fire.

[00:12:42] When you fail at any of these points, including leadership among your own campaign team, your campaign ultimately fails.

[00:12:48] And it's almost that the process creates the presidency in my mind.

[00:12:53] And I'm thinking of this because I went to those Iowa caucus primary events a full year ago.

[00:12:58] And what I saw in stage from those primary candidates, thinking mostly of Ron DeSantis,

[00:13:03] Governor Ron DeSantis, to who the candidate he was in February and Nikki Haley during the primary season of spring of this year,

[00:13:11] was really a grown up, matured, skillful candidate that had been honed those skills over months.

[00:13:20] And so when you look at Vice President Harris, she didn't have the benefit of any of that.

[00:13:24] You know, the American public didn't get the benefit of seeing her for a year work to earn their vote,

[00:13:29] not to mention how extreme and out of touch the Democrat policies are.

[00:13:32] She made a lot of mistakes.

[00:13:34] Let's talk about some of those mistakes, Richard, because I know those are on top of mind.

[00:13:37] But I wanted to start with that and just really gauge your analysis of both campaigns and some of these exit polls,

[00:13:43] if those are the things you prefer to talk about.

[00:13:46] Well, so the first thing I would say is that the vice presidency, I think, as an institution, is a very awkward office.

[00:13:55] And it has been really since the founding of this country.

[00:13:59] This is an office that is effectively devoid of actual real power.

[00:14:05] And yet that person could become president and become the most powerful person.

[00:14:09] So it's a position that's always kind of there but in advance.

[00:14:14] And then in addition to that, it's an office in which mediocrities often rise to such a high level.

[00:14:22] This is often somebody that ran for the nomination but lost.

[00:14:27] They usually lost for a reason.

[00:14:28] That's in the case of Kamala Harris.

[00:14:31] And suddenly they're elevated to the position of potentially becoming president.

[00:14:36] So you see that here where these people are kind of elevated.

[00:14:40] They're not enough first raiders to get the nomination, but they get close to the – as vice president,

[00:14:47] they get close to being president themselves.

[00:14:49] So it's almost like an artificial launching pad for these subpar candidates.

[00:14:55] And we saw that with Harris.

[00:14:57] But I think we can also say that it is a problem and a sign of something very wrong in a system

[00:15:05] in which someone like her could get anywhere near the presidency.

[00:15:08] And I say that about the Democratic Party specifically, where a woman like that who is not articulate,

[00:15:16] just not intelligent, and a terrible candidate can get this close to being president.

[00:15:22] This is when you see DEI truly in action.

[00:15:25] And I will also say that as far as what she did wrong, you can point to this and that.

[00:15:30] You can point to her going on to The View and saying, oh, I wouldn't change a thing.

[00:15:35] I can't think of a thing I would change.

[00:15:37] You can talk about her choosing Tim Walz.

[00:15:40] But here's the thing.

[00:15:41] Fundamentally, she was a horrible candidate.

[00:15:44] And so I'm not sure that anything she could have said could have hidden that reality.

[00:15:50] Years ago, when I first heard about her, I asked a friend of mine who is an active Democrat in California

[00:15:56] what he thought about her, trying to get intelligence on her.

[00:15:59] And, you know, the people from your state and your party would probably know you better

[00:16:04] than any other person in the country.

[00:16:06] And he immediately said, oh, you mean Willie Brown's mistress, i.e., the man that he had a relationship with

[00:16:14] while he was still married, the former mayor of San Francisco.

[00:16:18] That was her reputation before all of this.

[00:16:20] So people in California already didn't like her.

[00:16:24] So I'm not sure, you know, a perfect answer for her on The View could have changed this.

[00:16:29] She was a fundamentally – honestly, she was the worst candidate nominee for president I've ever seen in my lifetime.

[00:16:38] Worse than John Kerry.

[00:16:40] Worse than Al Gore.

[00:16:40] I mean, she was terrible.

[00:16:42] I'm sorry to put it that harshly, but she was.

[00:16:45] The analysis from Richard Lim is so comprehensive, but I love the historical thoughts you bring in,

[00:16:51] especially the analysis of the traditional role of the vice presidency,

[00:16:54] because I think you can see that reflected in her campaign.

[00:16:59] Liberty, I'd love to get your thoughts both on her campaign that was run,

[00:17:03] but also if you want to talk about what we were discussing earlier on these exit takeaways,

[00:17:08] the demographic shifts of both parties and things that we can take away from the election.

[00:17:12] Well, I know that the word gaslight is overused today,

[00:17:15] and there are a lot of, you know, therapy terms and everything that people use in conversation

[00:17:20] and don't really know what it means.

[00:17:21] But I do think that we have an example now of the Democratic Party gaslighting the American people

[00:17:28] or just not respecting even their own base,

[00:17:31] because as people have pointed out multiple times, even back in 2016,

[00:17:36] you had controversy there with Hillary Clinton being put forward as the candidate for the Democratic Party

[00:17:42] and some shady things going on, you know, when it came to Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

[00:17:48] And then for a long time, I think even Democrats,

[00:17:52] I mean, this has been documented in multiple investigative journalistic reports,

[00:17:56] the Democrats were really concerned about President Biden

[00:18:00] because there was just obvious reason for concern with regard to his health

[00:18:05] and whether or not he was okay and able to run the country.

[00:18:09] And they were told everything is fine, everything is fine, until suddenly it wasn't.

[00:18:14] And then to your point, Chelsea, here we have, you know,

[00:18:18] a person put forward who was the vice president,

[00:18:20] but never actually, you know, elected or chosen by the people.

[00:18:25] All of a sudden, now this is your presidential candidate a few months before the election.

[00:18:28] So and then throughout the campaign, I think even though a lot of voters don't really like Trump

[00:18:37] and maybe they would prefer that he acted differently and behaved differently and said things differently,

[00:18:43] I think they also just got tired of being told that, well, actually,

[00:18:48] the inflation rate is low and which is technically true, but prices are still high.

[00:18:53] And a lot of people are still feeling that or they're being told, like,

[00:18:57] you don't need to be concerned about the border when people who maybe are traditionally liberal

[00:19:03] and Democrat can still tell, like, no, there are problems here.

[00:19:07] Like there's a lack of control.

[00:19:08] And even you can be pro-immigration and say, look, we need solutions at the border.

[00:19:13] And I think one of the big things that happened is that Trump said basically, you know,

[00:19:19] and paraphrase, you're not crazy for being concerned about these things.

[00:19:23] And I think a lot of people maybe felt ignored or told by the party that they had traditionally voted for

[00:19:30] that they shouldn't be concerned about those things or that they felt like they weren't getting solutions to those things.

[00:19:37] And it was a lot of like we've already talked about these other, you know, very progressive issues that just they weren't resonating with actual voters.

[00:19:46] So I think that the Democrats really have to do a lot of looking inward in terms of how they're relating to voters

[00:19:52] and connecting with issues that really matter to them and also respecting the votes and the opinions of their own base.

[00:19:58] Well, I think you're you're alluding to many issues where they miss the mark.

[00:20:03] You know, of course, top of mind for me is going to be on the abortion issue, which I want to talk about for a few minutes when we get back from our break.

[00:20:10] But really, when you have a campaign spending historic amounts of money on abortion ads,

[00:20:16] they spend upwards of one hundred and seventy five million on TV ads across the country,

[00:20:22] more than any other issue that they advertised on.

[00:20:26] And of course, that doesn't even include the free media barrage that, you know, they don't pay for,

[00:20:31] but that the media, you know, headline after headline.

[00:20:34] We've been completely inundated with pro-abortion rhetoric.

[00:20:38] And that was a miss.

[00:20:39] And one of the reasons that was a miss is that we know that from some statistics here,

[00:20:44] that among the 11 percent of voters, it's only 11 percent that said abortion was their top issue.

[00:20:50] Nearly 30 percent of them still voted for President Trump.

[00:20:54] And so we've got some analysis to do when we get back after this break on the role that abortion played,

[00:20:59] not only in this election, but we're going to talk about culturally and maybe some ideas for the next administration

[00:21:06] on what they can do about the abortion issue.

[00:21:09] We know that the GOP and many candidates got very quiet about that issue,

[00:21:13] which is traditionally something that they support, the pro-life platform.

[00:21:18] But we'll talk about all that when we get back after this short break.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:23:13] Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable.

[00:23:16] I'm your host today when I'm joined by Richard Lim and Liberty McCarter.

[00:23:20] We are rounding out our discussion about the campaign, some exit polls.

[00:23:24] Really, where we're looking as a country that there's been some big political shifting.

[00:23:29] And then we're going to turn to what is next?

[00:23:32] What is next?

[00:23:33] The Trump administration is beginning to take very small form.

[00:23:38] But it is.

[00:23:39] And President Trump is announcing on his website many initiatives all at once.

[00:23:43] We want to know what those are, where are we headed.

[00:23:46] Before we get there, I wanted to put in one final note with you guys about really the abortion wars over the last few years.

[00:23:54] I'm particularly passionate about it as someone who has been the butt of many, you know, of hostile media and interviews on this issue.

[00:24:04] I don't know if we've ever seen a movement as under attack or under fire as the pro-life movement since Roe was overturned.

[00:24:12] I mean, it's just every single day there's dozens of articles saying, you know, a lot of fear mongering, a ton of fear mongering.

[00:24:20] I had an interview yesterday and I said, I don't know if I've read an article yet that was accurate, either about the law on medical emergencies, what is miscarriage care treatment or what is not, whether it's the IVF issue.

[00:24:33] There's been so many misleading targeting articles and advertisements by the Harris campaign.

[00:24:40] And it was a huge turning point for the pro-life movement because after $175 million in abortion ads reached across the country, we know we can't compete.

[00:24:53] You know, we don't have as a pro-life movement that big of a mouthpiece, a microphone, that much money.

[00:25:00] When you look at the money for these down ballot abortion ballot issues, you know, they spent $118 million on campaigns in Florida alone.

[00:25:09] And there were 10 states, you know, of course, seven out of the 10 we lost as a pro-life movement because they're outspending us, you know, $30 to $1.

[00:25:19] But I was encouraged by the outcomes of the election because the pro-life movement withstood that.

[00:25:27] You know, if those ads were taking root in people's hearts, I do think women are afraid.

[00:25:33] And we've got some cultural uphill battles ahead of us as a church, as a movement, and just as, you know, community to women who are in need.

[00:25:42] At the end of the day, what we saw was a rejection of abortion extremism.

[00:25:47] And in spite of all those lies, women still voted in higher margins for President Trump, young women, more than they have the last two election cycles.

[00:25:57] And as I mentioned, it really solidified one political factor that we always have known as they study it.

[00:26:05] Abortion is not a mobilizing issue, even among Democrats.

[00:26:09] It is viewed as a necessary evil.

[00:26:11] We saw 11 percent of voters said it was their top issue.

[00:26:16] And of those, 29 percent still voted for President Trump.

[00:26:21] But that's not to say our work isn't ahead of us.

[00:26:23] It's just for the pro-life movement, what we've endured, what we've been up against, at least in the public eye, shows me we've withstood it.

[00:26:30] And one other thing I'd like to take away for, and you guys feel free to comment on any and all of this when I'm done here, is that Republican candidates who were compassionate about this issue spoke well about this issue and did not backtrack.

[00:26:44] So I'm thinking of Governor DeSantis, who poured in millions and millions and campaigned hard against that Florida ballot initiative and defended publicly his state's heartbeat act.

[00:26:53] Governor Abbott during midterms.

[00:26:55] You've got Yunkin in a purple state.

[00:26:58] None of these men reneged on their pro-life views or values, and they all won by historic margins.

[00:27:05] DeWine is on the list.

[00:27:06] When you look at some of those down ballot wins over the last two election cycles, it continues to let me know that Republicans have a long way to go in understanding how to defend their views and do it compassionately and well.

[00:27:20] But when they do, they win.

[00:27:21] So both of you guys, I would love to hear your thoughts on those abortion exit polls or stats that we have on pointofview.net.

[00:27:30] Oh, I think it's just a good lesson for those of us who are pro-life to remember that the majority of people aren't really extreme one way or the other.

[00:27:41] They aren't full on, like you said, pro-abortion, like we all often hear from the leaders of the Democratic Party in terms of allowing abortion throughout the entirety of pregnancy.

[00:27:56] A lot of times people even who vote pro-choice will identify themselves as pro-life.

[00:28:01] And I think that they have just kind of accepted the cultural message that it is sometimes necessary.

[00:28:08] And so I think for pro-lifers, we need to remember that when we're doing our own messaging and not attacking voters who might have concerns about abortion in terms of, you know, hating families and hating mothers and hating babies,

[00:28:24] but addressing the real concerns that they have, which are probably often based in misinformation and fear and addressing those concerns and saying, hey, look, let's be pro-life and pro-family together

[00:28:36] because we don't really have to worry about the average person being so extreme on abortion.

[00:28:42] You raise really great points.

[00:28:43] Richard?

[00:28:45] Yeah, you know, so I would say that this issue really shows, not to get back into the political element of it,

[00:28:53] but really shows how big of an impact Trump has had on the political landscape of this country

[00:28:59] because by appointing justices that then overturn Roe v. Wade, the issue is becoming less of a federal issue that has been such a divisive issue for us,

[00:29:11] but goes back to the states.

[00:29:13] I know this is basic 101 for you guys, but I think that the fact that it is becoming an issue at the state level,

[00:29:21] it's removing that divisive element, and people, the average American who's not on the extremes,

[00:29:27] they're not buying into this fear-mongering or this demonizing of people who are pro-life,

[00:29:33] which I think is something we need to be encouraged by.

[00:29:36] The other thing is that I don't know what the answer to this is because it is a very tricky situation.

[00:29:44] The Trump coalition is a coalition of pragmatic working-class voters, many of whom are pro-choice or don't have strong opinions,

[00:29:55] and also evangelical Christians like ourselves who care deeply about the issue.

[00:30:00] And the GOP has softened on the issue.

[00:30:06] Donald Trump has as well.

[00:30:07] And it's an issue that I think many Trump supporters are basically telling pro-life people to back off of.

[00:30:14] So that's going to be a tricky issue going forward.

[00:30:17] And I think that it's up to the church to step up on these kind of things,

[00:30:21] because introducing the political realm is very tricky.

[00:30:25] That doesn't mean that we get out of the political realm.

[00:30:27] There's still battles to be had there.

[00:30:28] But I think that's where the church has to step up and where we share the gospel and the message of Christ,

[00:30:35] that we also talk about how this affects our stances on things like abortion.

[00:30:39] And ultimately, that's where the issue will be won.

[00:30:42] You raise good points, Richard.

[00:30:45] I would add, though, that it's not just a state's right issue.

[00:30:49] I think that's a talking point that's really been latched onto from a policy standpoint,

[00:30:53] because it's politically expedient to say that.

[00:30:55] But that's a little bit in my mind like saying human trafficking is a state's right issue

[00:30:59] or slavery is a state's right issue.

[00:31:01] We do have a 14th Amendment that allows equal protection under the law for everybody.

[00:31:07] And we know our rights begin at conception, our right to life.

[00:31:10] And so I do think there's actually some constitutional arguments.

[00:31:14] The pro-life movement has really come behind that there is a federal role.

[00:31:18] But beyond that, because the federal government through the FDA regulates the abortion drugs,

[00:31:23] and there's a federal law called the Comstock Act, which makes it already illegal to mail abortion materials.

[00:31:30] That law just was not enforced under the regime.

[00:31:34] These are going to be things that the Trump administration has to deal with.

[00:31:37] But I think his administration can find a way to be protective of women and children.

[00:31:42] And that, in my mind, is through bolstering the Pregnancy Resource Center movement.

[00:31:46] Eighty percent of all voters on either side of the aisle support pregnant women in need getting help.

[00:31:52] And I think that's a huge winning message they could coalesce around when we look at this issue.

[00:31:59] I do want to turn now before the break and then after the break to this idea of what is next for President Trump's administration.

[00:32:07] On pointofview.net, you'll see there is a CNN article.

[00:32:10] I put it up there because even though it's pretty clearly biased, I think it's important for all of us to see what, you know,

[00:32:17] both sides are talking about when they're viewing the next administration.

[00:32:20] But also because I think that this article outlined, you know, many, many topics that President Trump is beginning to unveil as his top priorities for his administration on his website.

[00:32:33] We're starting to see some high level appointments coming out.

[00:32:37] Top of that list is his immigration plan.

[00:32:40] He wants to roll out an 11 million mass deportation of undocumented immigrants.

[00:32:46] And then he has some border wall ideas as well.

[00:32:51] We've got the foreign good tariffs in China.

[00:32:54] What we're already seeing.

[00:32:55] We're already starting to see some response to President Trump's election.

[00:32:58] Just people on their own.

[00:32:59] And I think I saw an article about a train of migrants headed towards the border that they said self pre deported themselves because they left.

[00:33:09] They quit coming to the border.

[00:33:10] You know, we've got foreign officials coming out and making statements that I'd love to talk to you two about.

[00:33:16] You know, this really in my mind, I don't know if I've ever seen an election where we saw so much responsiveness among the international community as quickly with so many global wars and proxy wars going on.

[00:33:31] There was a pretty big response.

[00:33:33] And so we're going to get into all of that when we get back after this short break.

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[00:34:01] Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are turning now our discussion to what has quickly become, you know, President Trump unrolling his goals for his next administration.

[00:34:14] Everything from tax cuts to immigration to foreign affairs.

[00:34:20] We're kind of seeing it all.

[00:34:21] But it's something that's been exciting as a country who's been really in waiting this year to finally have some things to look forward to or maybe not, depending on where you stand on some of these issues.

[00:34:32] Liberty, I want to just start with you.

[00:34:34] You know, for me, one thing that stood out from his website that President Trump is unveiling is how to slash large federal government.

[00:34:44] We know that he himself experienced a lot of lawfare at the hands of the federal government.

[00:34:51] And has big plans to do deep cuts, not just to, you know, the Pentagon and the deep state CIA, FBI was on his list, but to do some really creative things, which I thought was a wonderful way to drain the swamp, which is get the swamp out of D.C.

[00:35:05] A great example would be him mentioning he's going to be moving certain federal agencies into middle America and the heart of America, where everyday patriots can work for the federal government as many as 100,000 jobs out of D.C. from the federal government.

[00:35:21] That's one good thing that stood out to me.

[00:35:23] I'd love to hear what you liked or maybe didn't like from this list that that he started to put out there.

[00:35:30] Well, I think, you know, cutting down on the federal government and government spending in particular is definitely something that I hope he achieves because my generation can look at the national debt that we're accumulating.

[00:35:45] And just I think there's a lot of concern there, as there should be.

[00:35:50] And, you know, Point of View has done a great job and Kirby does a great job of regularly educating people on this issue and has talked about, you know, even in D.C.

[00:35:58] There are just there's so much space, even that is just office space for these federal agencies and those bureaucracies that is not being used because nobody works there.

[00:36:09] And they're not even they're working from home, which, again, working from home isn't bad, but they're retaining all of this space and it's just wasteful.

[00:36:16] And so I think that that's something Americans are really going to appreciate, especially in our generation, as we look forward to our retirement or what the future is going to look like for our kids whenever they become older.

[00:36:28] Will the government be more fiscally responsible and cutting down on government bloat is certainly a way to do that.

[00:36:35] One of the things from his list that I am most, I guess, curious or interested to see is how he goes about fulfilling his campaign promises on the border.

[00:36:44] That's obviously a big issue for many voters.

[00:36:47] And, you know, I would love to see some control brought back to the border, but in in a precise way, in an intentional way, I suppose, because I think I really hope that it is he follows what has kind of been outlined as the plan by some as targeting people who have committed crimes here,

[00:37:08] for instance, and being intentional about targeting, you know, those populations with deportations.

[00:37:15] And so I'm interested to see how organized that is versus haphazard and what actually happens with the border and the illegal immigration issue.

[00:37:23] Oh, that's a huge one.

[00:37:25] I also like seeing, you know, RFK Jr.

[00:37:29] On the list.

[00:37:30] And I've heard rumors of him heading up the FDA.

[00:37:33] But even this idea, he talked about having fluoride removed from the water systems.

[00:37:38] We know that our food, American standards for food are very low, particularly in comparison with European standards for food and even Canadian standards for food,

[00:37:48] where they're allowing all sorts of chemicals and preservatives into the food.

[00:37:53] And I could see him.

[00:37:55] He has a make America healthy again campaign.

[00:37:58] Maha, which is something that a lot of us are very excited about what is in our water.

[00:38:04] You can also go to students for life dot org, SFLA dot org.

[00:38:08] And they have a water initiative that talks about active, active enzymes from the chemical abortion drugs that they have found in the water system.

[00:38:17] I'm not kidding you.

[00:38:18] So we've got a lot to look forward to on that front.

[00:38:21] Richard, I'd love to hear your top list.

[00:38:23] Feel free to take it away.

[00:38:25] Well, it's a very ambitious agenda.

[00:38:29] And there are a number of things I think we've had Trump as president before.

[00:38:33] So there are certain things that I think we can expect.

[00:38:36] You know, the usual cutting of regulations and rules that would help spur on the economy if he's going to push for lower taxes in addition to the taxes that he cut back in 2017.

[00:38:51] And, of course, the border, as you mentioned, basically getting the government and ICE and all of the border authorities to just basically unleash them so that they enforce the law.

[00:39:09] And a lot of that is within the power of the president to do.

[00:39:12] So with all of that said, I do have a little bit of caution because President Trump, like any president, just as he did back in 2017, will realize that he faces certain political realities.

[00:39:25] He has a certain amount of political capital to spend.

[00:39:29] And he also really just has two years before the midterm elections in 2026.

[00:39:36] And after that, just like any president, they basically effectively become a lame duck.

[00:39:41] So I think what's important is to distinguish between issues that we can do something about in the next two years versus issues that are going to be a long-term battle and hopefully one that the party will continue to fight once Trump leaves the scene.

[00:39:57] And so I can imagine that a lot of the initiatives within the bureaucracy to cut spending and to be able to fire low-performing government employees,

[00:40:11] those are things that are going to provoke a heck of a battle among vested interests in Washington, D.C.

[00:40:19] I think, you know, I know they have a certain plan for it, looking into Schedule F positions to specifically cut.

[00:40:26] I hope it works out.

[00:40:27] But that's going to be a hard, long battle.

[00:40:30] And it's something I think that Republicans are going to have to lay the foundation of and maybe not expect everything to happen overnight.

[00:40:38] But that's something that I think we just have to kind of dig our heels and try to fight in the long run.

[00:41:14] Well said.

[00:41:16] How aligned he is with President Trump, which we've known.

[00:41:19] We've known that the Republican Party is a much stronger supporter of Israel and their right to be a state and defend themselves.

[00:41:26] But when you look down the list, too, Ukraine's President Zelensky had a little bit less of a robust response.

[00:41:33] And we saw, you know, of course, top of mind comes President Vladimir Putin's response where he essentially the next day said,

[00:41:44] we're going to start seeking some peace talks and hope we can come to some common ground.

[00:41:47] And then don't forget, Hamas and Hezbollah leaders all talked about peace within hours of the victory.

[00:41:54] I'm going to let you round that out, Richard, in our last couple of minutes.

[00:41:57] Thoughts on any and all of these world leaders and the fact that, you know,

[00:42:02] they seem to be very quickly responsive to President Trump's victory to me.

[00:42:07] Well, you know, here's the little dirty secret.

[00:42:09] Democrats love to talk about how they are the party of diplomacy and how they get along with the world so much more than Republicans.

[00:42:17] Historically, that's not true.

[00:42:19] If you look at the Cold War and the kind of relationships America had with, you know, our adversaries,

[00:42:27] the situation was far more stable and productive under Republican presidents.

[00:42:32] Who were the presidents that signed agreements with the Soviet Union and that opened the door to China?

[00:42:38] Those are Republicans.

[00:42:38] That was Nixon.

[00:42:40] That was Reagan.

[00:42:40] Reagan signed an agreement to cut nuclear weapons.

[00:42:44] And the reason why, and Soviets talked about this later, was because with conservatives,

[00:42:49] they understood that conservatives would tell them what they really believed.

[00:42:53] They knew Ronald Reagan was an anti-communist.

[00:42:55] Well said, Richard.

[00:42:56] Well said.

[00:42:57] As always, thanks for being with us.

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