Point of View November 11, 2024 – Hour 2 : Unrigging Our Elections

[00:00:04] Across America Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Second hour today, the election is over and now's the time to really talk about election integrity.

[00:00:25] As I pointed out four years ago when I wrote this particular booklet I'm holding up on voter fraud,

[00:00:30] it was difficult to really have an honest conversation because any time you would raise questions about the integrity of our elections,

[00:00:38] you would be perceived as somebody who is trying to change the election.

[00:00:42] This time I think we have a better opportunity and back then even four years ago I was quoting from John Fund's book,

[00:00:49] Stealing Elections, John Fund and Hans von Spakowsky's Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk

[00:00:57] even sent you to a sampling of recent election fraud cases that appear on the heritage.org website.

[00:01:05] And so we bring back to the microphone Hans von Spakowsky who is the senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation

[00:01:12] and also is the manager of the think tank Election Law Reform Initiative.

[00:01:18] Another book I might just mention in addition to Who's Counting is the more recent one,

[00:01:23] Our Broken Elections, How the Left Changed the Way You Vote.

[00:01:27] And we of course also have posted, as I mentioned last hour, his article that came out about a month ago,

[00:01:34] Unrigging Our Elections. Hans, welcome back to Point of View.

[00:01:38] Toby, thanks for having me back.

[00:01:39] Let me just real quickly before we get into the specifics, talk about where we are right now.

[00:01:44] That is, should it take so long to actually not even know whether or not Republicans control the House of Representatives

[00:01:53] because we still have people counting ballots in Washington and California and Maricopa County, Arizona?

[00:02:00] I thought we lived in the 21st century.

[00:02:03] Well, we do, but the common factor in those three states is pretty much all-male elections.

[00:02:10] And that's the problem is, one, it takes much longer to process a mail-in or absentee ballot

[00:02:19] than when people simply go into a polling place to vote.

[00:02:23] The processing of that before you can even begin to count the ballot, like I said, takes much longer.

[00:02:30] Plus, you know, you have certain states that say, oh, the mail-in, the absentee ballot?

[00:02:39] No, it doesn't have to be in by the end of Election Day.

[00:02:43] No, it can come in for days after the election.

[00:02:47] You know, Nevada, as you know, we also had to wait for quite a while,

[00:02:51] and that's because they've got that rule of a ballot can come in there for three days after Election Day.

[00:02:58] So all of that delays elections.

[00:03:00] We didn't see that problem in places like Florida.

[00:03:04] Florida doesn't allow that kind of thing, and they have much better rules for tabulating a vote.

[00:03:12] Again, for our older listeners, they remember back in 2000,

[00:03:16] when we were waiting for a long time out of Florida, but Florida fixed it.

[00:03:20] But in this article on unrigging our elections, you have an answer that I'm going to start giving as well.

[00:03:26] When people say, well, how are we doing in terms of election integrity?

[00:03:30] Well, we're doing generally better nationally than we were last time,

[00:03:34] but it depends on which state you live in.

[00:03:36] I think that's a good answer because you've done an election integrity scorecard.

[00:03:42] And first of all, let's just be honest.

[00:03:44] No state scored 100, at least when you launched the scorecard,

[00:03:49] and that's still the case.

[00:03:50] So it does seem to me that wherever we're broadcasting,

[00:03:54] we're in about 40 different states where people are listening to this program right now,

[00:03:58] their state can do a lot more, especially if they're in states like we just mentioned,

[00:04:03] Arizona, Nevada, California.

[00:04:05] Why are they all on the West Coast and certainly Washington and others?

[00:04:08] And it does seem to me that at least the ones on the top of the list all tend to be,

[00:04:14] well, I'll just mention them.

[00:04:15] They're Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri,

[00:04:20] and things like that.

[00:04:22] And the worst states either are on the West Coast or they're in Minnesota.

[00:04:26] And I think you kind of see the problem because the Constitution does require that the states control the elections.

[00:04:34] And I don't think that's a bad thing, but some states are more dedicated to election integrity than others,

[00:04:41] aren't they?

[00:04:42] Yeah, they are.

[00:04:43] And it's unfortunate there's developed such a bipartisan divide on this.

[00:04:50] There's not that much the federal government can do about this,

[00:04:54] but I'll tell you one thing that the new Trump administration can do,

[00:04:58] which the current administration, the prior Obama administration, refused to do.

[00:05:04] And that is, look, there's a federal law, the National Voter Registration Act,

[00:05:10] what everybody calls motor voter, that requires states to take reasonable efforts to maintain the accuracy of their voter rolls.

[00:05:17] What that means, translated, is it has to actually clean up their voter registration list,

[00:05:25] take people off who have died, take people off who have moved out of state.

[00:05:30] And there are a lot of places like California that just don't do that.

[00:05:35] And what the Democratic administrations have refused to do is to sue states like California

[00:05:43] to force them to actually comply with that federal law.

[00:05:47] You may remember, Kirby, that something like two years ago,

[00:05:52] Judicial Watch actually sued Los Angeles under that particular law.

[00:05:58] Los Angeles finally agreed to take, if you can believe this, a million and a half registered voters off the list

[00:06:07] who were either dead or no longer lived in L.A.

[00:06:10] But they've been sitting on that list for years, and the county refused to do anything about it.

[00:06:15] But it shouldn't have been Judicial Watch having to spend their money to sue.

[00:06:20] It should have been the U.S. Justice Department.

[00:06:22] Well, again, just to use Los Angeles as an example, I looked it up at least last time,

[00:06:26] and maybe the numbers are similar, at that time there were in Los Angeles a registration rate of 112% of the adult population.

[00:06:35] So you have to believe that, you know, we're talking about dead people, disabled people, people that have moved away.

[00:06:45] And, again, I tend to have this bias that says no representation without respiration.

[00:06:49] So when dead people vote, that's never a good thing.

[00:06:52] And you have put together this database at the Heritage Foundation, which gives all sorts of examples of voter fraud.

[00:07:00] But you are really quick to mention that that's just a sampling.

[00:07:04] You're just taking some of those news reports.

[00:07:07] So even back then, when you're talking about thousands of examples of voter fraud,

[00:07:13] it's hard for me to see how the media with a straight face can say there was no voter fraud in 2000 or 2020 or anything like that.

[00:07:20] It just seems to me that every time we turn around, they're saying, oh, there's no voter fraud.

[00:07:24] You're looking for a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

[00:07:28] But it does exist, doesn't it?

[00:07:30] Yeah, it does.

[00:07:31] And, look, the media, unfortunately, has become mouthpieces for liberals who oppose any kind of common sense election reforms.

[00:07:41] And so they either say, ah, there's no fraud.

[00:07:45] You don't need to worry about it.

[00:07:46] Or they actually now are pointing to our database and saying, oh, see, there are so few cases.

[00:07:52] And they ignore what you warned about, that this is just a sampling of cases.

[00:07:57] This is not a comprehensive list.

[00:07:59] But they always leave that out of any stories they're doing about the database.

[00:08:05] Well, let's take a break.

[00:08:06] I want to continue our conversation with Hans von Spakowski.

[00:08:09] If you've always had a question about election integrity, you can give us a call, 800-351-1212.

[00:08:14] But I want to talk about what we can do.

[00:08:16] Obviously, voter ID is the first.

[00:08:19] And also having state attorney generals and secretaries of state that really want to enforce the laws that are passed.

[00:08:26] So there's obviously some action items that can take place.

[00:08:30] And since we've seen a change in places like Florida or Georgia, although they were criticized for a winning election integrity,

[00:08:38] I think we can come back and talk about some positive solutions.

[00:08:41] We'll come back and talk with him about that right after these important messages.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] While most Americans were focused on the election, the BRICS nations had a conference in Russia that we should not ignore.

[00:09:08] In case you're wondering, BRICS is an acronym for some of the world's leading emerging market economies.

[00:09:14] BRICS stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

[00:09:17] At the conference, there were nine members and 13 new partner nations who were accepted.

[00:09:22] That means that the GDP of the BRICS nations is now greater than the GDP of the G7 nations.

[00:09:27] The population of the BRICS nations is more than 3 billion.

[00:09:30] And some pundits have actually wondered if a BRICS currency could threaten the status of the dollar.

[00:09:35] Until recently, the assumption has been that would be unlikely since the diversity of the various foreign economies.

[00:09:41] They wouldn't be able to settle on one currency.

[00:09:43] But Matthew Siegel, head of digital assets research at VanEck, reminds us that three of the new members are now mining Bitcoin with government resources.

[00:09:52] He explains that there is an urgency in the BRICS nations to find some way to circumvent the irresponsible U.S. fiscal policy.

[00:09:58] Russia's sovereign wealth fund is going to invest in a regional initiative to build Bitcoin mining and to build AI infrastructure throughout the BRICS nations with the goal of being able to settle global trade in Bitcoin.

[00:10:11] Siegel predicts that when President Putin dies, some of the countries may reintegrate into the world's financial system.

[00:10:17] He says these BRICS countries will be trading with Bitcoin and then wonders what the U.S. will be doing at the time.

[00:10:23] The U.S. dollar has been the world's primary reserve currency for over 60 years.

[00:10:27] Now these countries are pursuing a policy of de-dollarization that will reduce the use of dollars in world trade and financial transactions.

[00:10:37] Congress and the incoming president need to take note.

[00:10:40] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] Continue our conversation for a few more minutes with Hans von Spakovsky.

[00:11:07] Again, he is with the Heritage Foundation, an organization I certainly encourage you to find out more about.

[00:11:12] We have a link to his website as well as other information.

[00:11:16] We've posted an article that he wrote back in October, Unrigging Our Elections,

[00:11:21] which has a lot of the facts and figures we're using right now.

[00:11:24] And one of those, Hans, is the fact that we believe that voter ID is important.

[00:11:29] And yet you talk about the fact that when you actually brief various election observers that come here from Europe,

[00:11:38] they are always just shocked and, frankly, astounded that two of the states in this country,

[00:11:46] that we have the largest voting populations, require no ID to vote.

[00:11:51] If you go to Europe, you not only have to have an ID, but if you want an absentee ballot, you have to go and request it.

[00:11:59] I mean, there are all sorts of regulations that exist in European countries,

[00:12:04] which if you actually tried to implement them in this country right now,

[00:12:10] you'd be hearing Stacey Abrams, who's always talking about voter suppression,

[00:12:15] saying this is another clear example of voter suppression.

[00:12:18] But we are not running our elections the way many of our European countries are running their elections.

[00:12:25] Yeah, isn't that something?

[00:12:27] Only about two-thirds of the states require some form of ID.

[00:12:31] Like I said, yeah, they're just shocked because it's such a common-sense requirement,

[00:12:37] and they just don't understand why it is that places like New York, California,

[00:12:42] which, as you know, two are our biggest states, don't require an ID to vote.

[00:12:46] In fact, Kirby may recall that just shortly before the election,

[00:12:53] one of the towns in California put in an ordinance saying that you would have to show an ID to vote.

[00:13:00] And what happened?

[00:13:01] The Democrats, who have a supermajority in the state legislature,

[00:13:05] promptly passed a law forbidding any political subdivision in the state of California

[00:13:12] from requiring an ID to vote, and Governor Newsom immediately signed it.

[00:13:16] They prohibited requiring an ID.

[00:13:20] What about this idea of voter suppression?

[00:13:23] I mean, you're having people come on some of these talk shows saying that voter suppression

[00:13:27] is why Donald Trump won Georgia.

[00:13:30] Voter suppression is why Ted Cruz won Texas.

[00:13:34] Is there any evidence of this?

[00:13:36] I mean, or is that just a phrase like white supremacy or racism or fascism?

[00:13:42] It just seems like it's just thrown around.

[00:13:44] But, okay, give us an example.

[00:13:45] We'd love to see one.

[00:13:47] There are no examples.

[00:13:50] Let's take voter ID.

[00:13:51] For the last decade, the left has been trying to say that any time any state puts in voter ID laws,

[00:13:58] that's voter suppression will keep people from the polls.

[00:14:00] There's two things about that.

[00:14:01] One, that displays a patronizingly racist point of view,

[00:14:08] because what they claim is that minority voters can't cope with showing an ID.

[00:14:15] And I can't think of anything more racist than that.

[00:14:18] But, second, it's just not true.

[00:14:21] And we know that because we have turnout data from states that have put in ID laws.

[00:14:28] And we've got that data now for 16 years, because the first ID laws, photo ID laws,

[00:14:35] were put in in 2008 in Indiana and Georgia.

[00:14:38] And we can compare that to places like California and New York.

[00:14:42] And what do we see?

[00:14:44] Not only does it not suppress turnout, it seems to help increase turnout.

[00:14:50] I think that's because it increases the confidence of people in the voting process.

[00:14:57] And places like Georgia that Joe Biden complained about, remember, at a speech in Atlanta,

[00:15:04] they actually have consistently had, with their voter ID law,

[00:15:11] they have higher turnout and voter registration consistently than the state of New York,

[00:15:17] which has no ID requirement.

[00:15:19] That's right.

[00:15:19] Well, and what happens if you don't?

[00:15:22] You are familiar with James O'Keefe back when he was with Project Veritas.

[00:15:26] Now he has a different organization.

[00:15:27] But he had one of his assistants go and see if he could get a ballot for then the Attorney General,

[00:15:33] Eric Holder, who, by the way, is African-American, 61 years of age at the time.

[00:15:37] The poll worker gave this ballot to a 20-something white kid who came in using the name Eric Holder.

[00:15:43] I mean, you can see in some of these videos how somebody can go in and pretend to be whatever they want to be.

[00:15:51] There are stories that came out of this election of people that came to vote and said,

[00:15:56] well, you've already voted.

[00:15:57] And they said, no, I didn't.

[00:15:58] Well, somebody voted under your name.

[00:16:00] And, of course, then there are stories, which I recorded just the other day,

[00:16:04] of people trying to vote twice, people trying to vote for dead people.

[00:16:07] And you are going to have, if indeed you believe in sin nature at all,

[00:16:13] people are going to try to rig the system, try to game the system.

[00:16:16] And when you don't have clear voter rolls, that's, of course, going to take place, isn't it?

[00:16:22] Yeah, it is.

[00:16:23] And, in fact, the incident with Eric Holder took place, of course, in the District of Columbia,

[00:16:28] which has no – not only do they not have an ID requirement,

[00:16:31] but Kirby, just a couple of months ago, they changed the law to allow aliens,

[00:16:38] people who are not U.S. citizens, to vote in their local elections.

[00:16:44] And it doesn't matter whether you're here legally or illegally.

[00:16:48] I might just mention that our take action there is one that we've actually put up there for you to take advantage of,

[00:16:55] where it says stop non-citizen voting in D.C. because there was an opportunity to change that.

[00:16:59] But, again, that's the trend in the future.

[00:17:01] If we can get people to vote in local elections in San Francisco,

[00:17:06] if we can get people that are non-citizens to vote, for example, in Washington, D.C.,

[00:17:12] you can kind of see, Hans, the argument that these people actually pay taxes,

[00:17:17] these people are in this country, even if they're not citizens, they should be allowed to vote.

[00:17:22] And that, I think, is one of the reasons why there's been such an open and porous border, don't you think?

[00:17:27] Oh, I think it absolutely is.

[00:17:32] And that is a real problem.

[00:17:34] And the thing here is that the American people don't agree with that.

[00:17:40] A majority of Americans are against allowing people who are not U.S. citizens to vote,

[00:17:45] and that crosses party lines.

[00:17:48] You know, this is not a Democrat-Republican thing,

[00:17:50] although the leadership of the two parties have a different view about it.

[00:17:54] But the constituency of both political parties says, no, you should have to be a citizen to vote

[00:18:00] and participate in the democratic process.

[00:18:04] I might just mention you wrote this article, actually, in the first part of October,

[00:18:07] and you're talking about how they, in some states, Alabama and Texas,

[00:18:11] were actually removing illegally eligible aliens, individuals that were here illegally

[00:18:18] and that actually self-identified.

[00:18:21] And you also mentioned Virginia, but shortly thereafter this was post,

[00:18:25] we see that then Virginia wanted to remove those people who self-identified as being here as non-citizens

[00:18:34] when they got a driver's license, but the court, and in particular the attorney general

[00:18:40] and the Justice Department sued Virginia for doing what they were supposed to do.

[00:18:46] Fortunately, it went to the Supreme Court, but it's a good illustration that even when you're doing something

[00:18:52] which is illegal, you have such a pushback that came from the Biden administration,

[00:18:57] which I think is concerning as well, isn't it?

[00:19:00] Oh, it is.

[00:19:01] And that is something, that one incident alone should tell people just how political

[00:19:08] and how weaponized the U.S. Justice Department has become under Merrick Garland, the A.J.,

[00:19:14] and under Joe Biden, that they would actually sue the state of Virginia and say,

[00:19:19] oh, those aliens you took off the rolls?

[00:19:21] No, you need to put them back on the rolls.

[00:19:23] That's what they were trying to get.

[00:19:26] And as you said, fortunately the Supreme Court stopped that.

[00:19:29] But just astonishing because, you know, it is a felony.

[00:19:34] It is a felony under federal law for an alien to register or vote,

[00:19:39] and yet DOJ is telling Virginia, no, no, you have to put these people back on the rolls.

[00:19:44] Yeah.

[00:19:44] Well, just before we run out of time, let me just mention that we have a link to heritage.org.

[00:19:49] If you're maybe looking for some advice in your own state,

[00:19:53] we're talking, of course, with an individual that has served as a member of the Federal Elections Commission,

[00:19:59] the manager of a think tank, the Election Law Reform Initiative.

[00:20:03] We've posted, of course, one of his articles, but you can find so many more.

[00:20:06] I really hope that you'll call on him because now's the time to bring about some other changes that need to take place.

[00:20:15] No state, the state you live in, no state scored 100% in election integrity,

[00:20:21] so there's still work to do in every state, and there's a lot to do of work in some of those states.

[00:20:26] And if you want to make a difference, I hope you'll contact Hans von Spakowski and the Heritage Foundation.

[00:20:31] So, once again, thank you for joining us.

[00:20:33] I quote you all the time, and it's great to have you on the program again.

[00:20:37] Kirby, thanks, and Merry Christmas to everybody.

[00:20:39] I know it's early before Thanksgiving, but I want everybody to have a good holiday.

[00:20:44] That's very good.

[00:20:45] Might as well start saying Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,

[00:20:48] and when we come back, we're going to get into some other issues.

[00:20:50] But, again, if you want some of the facts and figures, I know some of these came pretty fast.

[00:20:55] This is about a three-page, so it won't take a lot of paper out of your printer.

[00:20:59] Unrigging Our Elections, it's just one of many good commentaries by Hans von Spakowski.

[00:21:04] It's on our website.

[00:21:05] Or you can go to heritage.org to find it.

[00:21:08] And, again, if we want to make a difference in the next election, because, again,

[00:21:13] recognize we're going to have some in 2026.

[00:21:16] I know it's hard to be thinking about that, but those are coming.

[00:21:19] Some of the changes in Georgia and Texas have made a difference.

[00:21:22] We need more changes.

[00:21:24] Let's go out and make those changes, and we'll be right back.

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[00:23:10] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:14] Once again, let me just give you a program note.

[00:23:16] Tomorrow is our Millennial Roundtable, so you're going to hear from Chelsea and Liberty and Jonathan Teague and some others.

[00:23:22] I think you'll really enjoy the roundtable discussion.

[00:23:25] And then, kind of keeping the theme of younger, politically active individuals on Wednesday,

[00:23:31] I have Nathan Shackelford.

[00:23:34] If that name sounds familiar, that is the son of Kelly Shackelford.

[00:23:38] He'll be in studio with us.

[00:23:39] We'll be talking about the outreach they are developing to Millennial, Gen Y and Gen Z.

[00:23:45] And so, I think you'll appreciate that.

[00:23:47] And we'll go through a lot of other topics throughout the week.

[00:23:50] But I just wanted you to know what is coming up.

[00:23:53] Let's see if we can also mention a few of the articles I've still made available today.

[00:23:58] We certainly have heard some great things from Chuck Bantley about the economy, from Hans von Spakowski about the elections.

[00:24:05] And I hope that you'll take the time to visit the website, pointofview.net.

[00:24:10] Find some of that information.

[00:24:11] We still have the Election Central up there, but we're probably going to take that down, certainly by the end of the day.

[00:24:17] We, of course, have a video on voting.

[00:24:20] We'll take that down probably as well.

[00:24:22] Get into some other videos.

[00:24:23] And even the Take Action item I mentioned a minute ago, that probably will not be relevant for now.

[00:24:30] So, again, it will be kind of a complete remake of what we have on the website.

[00:24:35] But we still have Pray for America.

[00:24:37] We still need to pray for America.

[00:24:38] Our point of view highlights on Spotify, a variety of other great resources all there.

[00:24:44] And my commentary on the BRICS conference, which we'll talk about in just a minute.

[00:24:48] But let me get to another article, because earlier I talked about this realignment.

[00:24:53] And Tim Haynes talks about this.

[00:24:56] Actually, he's quoting from one of the individuals at NBC, Steve Kornack.

[00:25:03] And just basically, or Kornacki, excuse me, actually was going through some of the facts and figures.

[00:25:10] So I thought I would just let you read that in its entirety.

[00:25:14] But let me highlight just a couple of things that illustrate that we really are going through a political realignment.

[00:25:22] He says, not only did Donald Trump win the election and win the popular vote, first time in two decades for Republicans,

[00:25:30] he did it, as he says, that is Steve Kornacki, by transforming the Republican Party.

[00:25:37] Now, I was going to post some other articles that this is not your father's Republican Party,

[00:25:41] or it's not your father's Democratic Party either.

[00:25:44] But I think this one is probably good enough, because he says in three straight elections,

[00:25:50] Donald Trump has been the Republican candidate in a way that's kind of unusual.

[00:25:54] Because even if you're Ronald Reagan, you're running twice, and then that's it.

[00:26:00] And if you're George W. Bush, you run twice, and that's it.

[00:26:03] And in this case, it's because he was out during four years.

[00:26:08] It provided him an opportunity to even put more of his stamp on the Republican Party.

[00:26:14] But he points out that for pre-Trump voters under the age of 30, they were going for Democrats by 23 points.

[00:26:25] But now, interestingly enough, with folks of incomes under $50,000, 22 points for Democrats.

[00:26:33] Folks without college degree, four points for Democrats.

[00:26:36] And the point is, is that's changing now very significantly, because now for voters under $50,000,

[00:26:44] that's becoming a new, if you will, Republican constituency.

[00:26:49] Voters without a college degree, that's becoming a Republican constituency.

[00:26:55] So as before, there used to be kind of a mindset that the Republican Party was for the wealthy,

[00:27:02] and the middle class was all about the Democratic Party,

[00:27:05] and the Democrats were supporting the middle class, and the working Americans, that has switched dramatically.

[00:27:12] Then he starts talking about race and ethnicity.

[00:27:15] And he says, for example, that pre-Trump versus now, the black vote, he says, is still overwhelmingly Democratic.

[00:27:23] But it's a 15-point shift from 87% of Democrats voting for Democrats to now 72%, at least,

[00:27:33] when you look at the presidential election.

[00:27:35] The same thing before.

[00:27:37] Hispanic voters were 44 points Democratic before Donald Trump.

[00:27:43] Now, basically, it's a toss-up constituency, something very different.

[00:27:48] And then even for Asian Americans, there was a 32-point shift.

[00:27:54] So very significant issues.

[00:27:56] So that has changed the nature of the Republican Party.

[00:28:00] Let's now talk about the Democratic Party.

[00:28:03] Because, again, college-educated voters now have become kind of a core Democratic constituency.

[00:28:10] And folks earning more than $100,000 a year used to be a Republican constituency.

[00:28:17] Now it's a Democratic constituency.

[00:28:20] And then, of course, he spent some time talking about the various battleground states.

[00:28:24] So I thought I'd come back to this because I'm going to dig into some of these numbers,

[00:28:29] not only for Donald Trump and the election in 2024,

[00:28:33] but also some of the senatorial elections and some of the remarkable changes.

[00:28:39] Because, as I pointed out just the other day,

[00:28:41] the Electoral College is changing because populations are changing.

[00:28:46] I wrote a piece a while back on American realignment.

[00:28:51] And that's because people are moving from high-tax states to low-tax or no-tax states.

[00:28:57] They're moving generally from blue states to red states.

[00:29:00] And as a result, Donald Trump was able to get more electoral votes this time

[00:29:06] than he would have gotten four years ago because the census had changed that.

[00:29:11] And a lot more of electoral votes ended up in places like, of course, Texas and Florida, Georgia, places like that.

[00:29:19] And so that's the first.

[00:29:21] And what is so intriguing is next time, if the trends continue,

[00:29:26] and I'm borrowing the information that comes from Ben Shapiro,

[00:29:29] and I assume he's done some pretty good math in that regards,

[00:29:33] if the trend continues, California is going to lose four congressional seats,

[00:29:38] thus lose four electoral votes, and Texas will pick up four.

[00:29:43] New York will lose two, and Florida will pick up two.

[00:29:47] So you can see that the trend continues to make it a little bit easier for a Republican to win

[00:29:55] or for the red states to have more of an impact.

[00:29:58] And so it's kind of intriguing to see how that plays out.

[00:30:01] But also, before we take a break, it's worth mentioning that, yes, people lie all the time during elections.

[00:30:10] And it's disturbing to me how much people will lie.

[00:30:14] And yet we now, because of the defeat, especially of the Democratic nominee, Kamala Harris,

[00:30:22] we now are learning some things we suspected all along.

[00:30:26] My phrase is simply this.

[00:30:28] When the knives come out, truth comes out.

[00:30:32] And one of the things we've learned is from Jon Favreau.

[00:30:36] He was on a podcast the other day,

[00:30:38] hosted by some of the people that used to work on the Obama administration,

[00:30:42] and he said a couple of things.

[00:30:44] First of all, Jon Favreau said Biden's decision to run for re-election was a blunder from the get-go.

[00:30:51] You think?

[00:30:52] Well, that's the case.

[00:30:54] But here's the one I want to get to.

[00:30:56] The internal polling that they had back then was that Trump would beat him in a landslide.

[00:31:04] They said that Trump probably would get 400 electoral votes in a landslide that would be equal to

[00:31:13] and certainly comparable to the 1984 election of Ronald Reagan over Walter Mondale.

[00:31:20] At that time, of course, given the way that swing was,

[00:31:24] Ronald Reagan won 49 states.

[00:31:27] Walter Mondale won his home state.

[00:31:29] So think about this.

[00:31:30] They knew that Donald Trump was going to beat Joe Biden,

[00:31:37] but they also were pretty sure that Donald Trump was going to beat Kamala Harris.

[00:31:42] And, of course, she was swept in all seven swing states after spending a billion dollars.

[00:31:49] By the way, I'm going to come back to that in just a minute

[00:31:50] because Donald Trump at least says he's willing to help pay off the campaign expenses of Kamala Harris.

[00:31:57] I don't know how serious he is, but we'll get to that in just a minute.

[00:32:00] But here's the point.

[00:32:01] You were having people lie to you about the fact that Joe Biden was actually a fit candidate.

[00:32:10] We saw that finally by the debate.

[00:32:12] We also had people lying to even Democratic supporters that Joe Biden had a good chance of beating Donald Trump

[00:32:20] when their internal polls said it could be the greatest defeat a Democrat had faced since 1984

[00:32:28] when Ronald Reagan won 49 states and Walter Mondale only won one.

[00:32:33] That's how bad it was.

[00:32:35] And yet we only are learning this now,

[00:32:38] which I think gives some support for something that Kelly Shackelford and I've talked about before.

[00:32:44] They knew that it was a disaster.

[00:32:47] They wanted to get Joe Biden out.

[00:32:49] And so maybe one of the reasons there was such a willingness to have an early debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump

[00:32:58] is because they suspected he would do so poorly in the debate they would be able to get him out.

[00:33:04] But only now when the knives are coming out and everybody's finger pointing,

[00:33:09] everybody's stabbing everybody else in the back is the truth coming out.

[00:33:13] But they knew perhaps as much as 11 months ago that Donald Trump could get as many as 400 electoral votes

[00:33:22] if indeed he was still running against Joe Biden.

[00:33:26] Only came out now.

[00:33:27] You heard it maybe first on point of view,

[00:33:29] but it is a reminder that some of the things we were speculating about

[00:33:33] even during the primary season turned out to be true.

[00:33:37] Let's take a break.

[00:33:38] We have more to cover right after this.

[00:33:56] You're listening to Point of View,

[00:33:59] your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:34:02] Back for just a few minutes,

[00:34:03] but let me just mention again that one of the things I said in passing

[00:34:06] and ought to at least develop it a little bit further

[00:34:09] is that the Harris campaign,

[00:34:12] Kamala Harris' campaign,

[00:34:14] spent a billion dollars,

[00:34:16] spent one billion dollars.

[00:34:19] That's $1,000 million in 170,

[00:34:22] 107 days, I should say,

[00:34:24] 107 days.

[00:34:26] And the campaign is $20 million in debt.

[00:34:30] Donald Trump heard that and he said,

[00:34:33] well, you know,

[00:34:34] we're offering to use our leftover funds

[00:34:37] to pay off the debts of the Harris campaign and the DNC.

[00:34:40] Not sure they're allowed to do that,

[00:34:41] and he may have just been joking,

[00:34:43] but having fun.

[00:34:44] But you might say,

[00:34:45] how can you spend a billion dollars?

[00:34:48] Well,

[00:34:49] let me just give you a couple illustrations

[00:34:51] of how you can misspend a billion dollars.

[00:34:55] The Harris campaign spent,

[00:34:57] well,

[00:34:57] first of all,

[00:34:58] they paid Oprah Winfrey,

[00:35:00] they paid Oprah Winfrey a million dollars

[00:35:05] just to do the interview that she did with Kamala Harris.

[00:35:08] A million dollars for an interview.

[00:35:11] And then spent $100,000

[00:35:14] building the set,

[00:35:16] which was the set of the Call Her Daddy podcast,

[00:35:20] so that Kamala Harris didn't have to fly out

[00:35:22] to Los Angeles to film it.

[00:35:24] This is the kind of spending

[00:35:26] that was taking place

[00:35:28] under the Harris campaign.

[00:35:30] And I love one of the people said,

[00:35:32] Oprah made her give her a million dollars

[00:35:35] to appear at her rally.

[00:35:37] So,

[00:35:38] it was lucrative,

[00:35:39] to put it mildly,

[00:35:41] for Oprah Winfrey.

[00:35:42] I guess it was probably for Beyonce

[00:35:43] and some of the others,

[00:35:44] but

[00:35:45] it just takes your breath away.

[00:35:47] But that's the case.

[00:35:48] Which brings me to my last piece

[00:35:50] by Rick Moran.

[00:35:52] What undid the Democrats?

[00:35:54] Well,

[00:35:54] there's a lot of those there.

[00:35:56] Maybe,

[00:35:56] of course,

[00:35:56] calling the people

[00:35:58] that are voting for Donald Trump

[00:36:01] as fascist,

[00:36:02] racist,

[00:36:03] garbage,

[00:36:04] probably didn't help.

[00:36:05] But nevertheless,

[00:36:07] there were some people

[00:36:08] that even are more sympathetic

[00:36:11] to the Democratic Party

[00:36:12] that are saying,

[00:36:13] we need to do something differently.

[00:36:16] One of those is the chair

[00:36:17] of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

[00:36:21] That's Pramila Joya Paul,

[00:36:23] who said,

[00:36:24] the Democratic Party

[00:36:25] needs to be rebuilt.

[00:36:27] She went on to say,

[00:36:28] we've become,

[00:36:29] and I agree with her,

[00:36:30] a party of elites.

[00:36:31] Whether we abandon

[00:36:33] working class people,

[00:36:34] whether they abandon us,

[00:36:36] whether it's some combination

[00:36:37] of above,

[00:36:38] and again,

[00:36:40] a party that promotes

[00:36:41] open borders,

[00:36:42] gender transformation,

[00:36:45] punishing people

[00:36:46] for using the wrong pronoun,

[00:36:49] that didn't exactly attract

[00:36:51] the so-called

[00:36:52] working class voters

[00:36:53] that used to be

[00:36:54] one of the core constituencies

[00:36:56] of the Democratic Party.

[00:36:58] Let's hear from a few other people.

[00:37:00] Barry Wise,

[00:37:01] as I mentioned before,

[00:37:02] used to be the opinion editor

[00:37:04] at the New York Times,

[00:37:05] said,

[00:37:05] it turns out that running on

[00:37:07] these extraordinarily niche issues

[00:37:10] like gender fluidity

[00:37:12] or defunding the police

[00:37:14] or any number of things

[00:37:15] that people in places

[00:37:17] where I live

[00:37:17] get extremely excited about

[00:37:19] don't actually matter

[00:37:21] or frankly feel profoundly

[00:37:23] out of touch

[00:37:23] to ordinary Americans.

[00:37:25] So if progressive

[00:37:26] is about,

[00:37:27] you know,

[00:37:27] these niche issues

[00:37:29] that you find

[00:37:30] in a college campus

[00:37:31] and in gender studies department

[00:37:33] and you want to keep

[00:37:34] doubling down on that,

[00:37:36] you're going to continue

[00:37:37] to lose.

[00:37:39] I'll bet Brett Stevens,

[00:37:40] he writes for the New York Times

[00:37:42] and he said this,

[00:37:43] concerned about gender transitions

[00:37:45] for children

[00:37:46] or about biological males

[00:37:47] playing in girls sports teams,

[00:37:50] you're a transphobe.

[00:37:52] Dismayed by tedious,

[00:37:55] mandatory,

[00:37:55] or frequently counterproductive

[00:37:57] DEI seminars

[00:37:58] that treat white skin

[00:38:00] as almost inherently problematic,

[00:38:03] well,

[00:38:03] you're racist.

[00:38:04] Irritated by new terminology

[00:38:06] that is supposed to be

[00:38:07] more inclusive

[00:38:08] but feels as if

[00:38:09] it's borrowing a page

[00:38:10] from the book 1984,

[00:38:13] well,

[00:38:14] that's double plus sun good

[00:38:16] or whatever,

[00:38:17] I don't even know

[00:38:17] what that word is.

[00:38:18] The Democratic Party

[00:38:19] at its best

[00:38:20] stands for fairness

[00:38:21] and freedom,

[00:38:21] but the politics

[00:38:23] of today's left

[00:38:24] is heavy on social engineering

[00:38:25] according to group identity.

[00:38:27] It also increasingly stands

[00:38:29] for the forcible imposition

[00:38:32] of bizarre cultural norms

[00:38:34] on hundreds of millions

[00:38:35] of Americans

[00:38:36] who want to live

[00:38:37] and let live

[00:38:39] but don't like being told

[00:38:40] how to speak

[00:38:41] and what to think.

[00:38:42] So again,

[00:38:44] these are some of the words

[00:38:45] being brought down

[00:38:46] by these individuals

[00:38:47] who are absolutely convinced

[00:38:49] that the world

[00:38:50] that we find ourselves in

[00:38:52] is a world

[00:38:53] that is not necessarily

[00:38:55] connecting with

[00:38:56] the American people

[00:38:57] and as I said last hour

[00:38:59] in case you missed it,

[00:39:01] there is very good evidence

[00:39:03] to show that even though

[00:39:05] we were being told

[00:39:07] by economists,

[00:39:09] pundits,

[00:39:10] Democratic leaders

[00:39:11] that the economy was fine,

[00:39:14] apparently the voters

[00:39:15] didn't agree with that

[00:39:16] nor did the financial markets

[00:39:18] as I said in the first hour

[00:39:20] this Trump effect

[00:39:22] that Dinesh D'Souza

[00:39:24] was talking about

[00:39:25] stock market

[00:39:26] hitting all-time highs

[00:39:27] Bitcoin

[00:39:28] hitting all-time highs

[00:39:30] also illustrate the fact

[00:39:32] that some people

[00:39:34] that were either

[00:39:35] in Wall Street

[00:39:36] or Main Street

[00:39:37] weren't buying

[00:39:38] what was selling

[00:39:39] in the Democratic Party

[00:39:41] but more importantly

[00:39:42] there was a real concern

[00:39:44] about what the future

[00:39:45] might bring

[00:39:46] because if the so-called

[00:39:48] Trump tax cuts

[00:39:49] were not advanced

[00:39:51] and actually re-ratified

[00:39:53] in 2025

[00:39:54] a lot of people

[00:39:56] especially most of you

[00:39:57] in the listening audience

[00:39:59] would see your taxes

[00:40:00] go up

[00:40:00] and of course

[00:40:02] the other thing

[00:40:02] that has affected

[00:40:03] the economy

[00:40:04] is the frankly

[00:40:06] over-regulation

[00:40:08] of so much

[00:40:09] of the economy

[00:40:10] and so that is the case

[00:40:12] so there are

[00:40:13] some real concerns

[00:40:15] when you have

[00:40:15] the highest inflation

[00:40:16] in 40 years

[00:40:17] and you have

[00:40:18] the lowest wage

[00:40:20] increases

[00:40:21] again if you run

[00:40:22] the numbers

[00:40:23] and I've run them

[00:40:24] the inflation

[00:40:25] adjusted weekly

[00:40:27] earnings remain

[00:40:28] lower

[00:40:28] than when

[00:40:30] President Biden

[00:40:31] took office

[00:40:32] so not only

[00:40:33] did your wages

[00:40:34] not keep up

[00:40:35] your wages

[00:40:37] essentially

[00:40:38] when adjusted

[00:40:38] for inflation

[00:40:39] went down

[00:40:40] do you feel

[00:40:41] poorer?

[00:40:42] of course you do

[00:40:43] and that was

[00:40:44] something that

[00:40:45] certainly

[00:40:45] needed to be

[00:40:46] addressed as well

[00:40:47] well just before

[00:40:49] we take a break

[00:40:49] let me just mention

[00:40:50] that one of the

[00:40:51] stories going around

[00:40:52] and it turns out

[00:40:53] to be true

[00:40:53] I like to always

[00:40:54] check these out

[00:40:55] before we cover those

[00:40:56] is you may have

[00:40:57] heard the story

[00:40:58] about the FEMA

[00:40:59] official who told

[00:41:01] workers to avoid

[00:41:02] Florida homes

[00:41:03] that had Trump

[00:41:04] signs

[00:41:05] and I've got

[00:41:07] the actual memo

[00:41:08] here

[00:41:08] it says implement

[00:41:10] best practices

[00:41:11] no one goes

[00:41:12] alone anywhere

[00:41:13] number two

[00:41:14] avoid homes

[00:41:15] advertising Trump

[00:41:17] well you probably

[00:41:18] have heard

[00:41:19] that once

[00:41:20] that got out

[00:41:21] and it was

[00:41:23] reported in

[00:41:24] a number of

[00:41:25] not only

[00:41:27] internet sites

[00:41:28] but even by the

[00:41:29] mainstream media

[00:41:32] then she was

[00:41:34] fired

[00:41:34] but there's rest

[00:41:36] to the story

[00:41:37] here

[00:41:37] and this comes

[00:41:38] from our friends

[00:41:39] at the New York

[00:41:39] Post

[00:41:40] because if you

[00:41:41] look at the

[00:41:42] story that came

[00:41:43] out

[00:41:43] interestingly

[00:41:44] enough on CBS

[00:41:46] they have a

[00:41:47] picture of this

[00:41:48] FEMA worker

[00:41:49] talking to another

[00:41:50] individual

[00:41:50] which you would

[00:41:51] assume that that

[00:41:52] white woman

[00:41:53] who is a FEMA

[00:41:54] worker is the

[00:41:55] one that was

[00:41:55] fired

[00:41:56] but that's

[00:41:57] not it

[00:41:57] first of all

[00:41:58] that woman

[00:41:59] has got to

[00:41:59] be furious

[00:42:00] because it

[00:42:01] turns out

[00:42:01] that the

[00:42:02] actual woman

[00:42:02] is Marnie

[00:42:03] Washington

[00:42:05] you guessed

[00:42:05] it

[00:42:06] she's African

[00:42:06] American

[00:42:07] she's black

[00:42:07] so CBS

[00:42:09] has taken

[00:42:10] a bad

[00:42:11] story

[00:42:12] and made

[00:42:13] it worse

[00:42:13] in other words

[00:42:14] it's bad

[00:42:15] enough that

[00:42:15] we had

[00:42:16] an official

[00:42:16] with FEMA

[00:42:18] telling workers

[00:42:19] to avoid

[00:42:20] any home

[00:42:21] that maybe

[00:42:22] was affected

[00:42:22] by the

[00:42:23] hurricane

[00:42:23] to avoid

[00:42:24] any home

[00:42:25] that has

[00:42:25] a Trump

[00:42:26] sign

[00:42:27] in its

[00:42:28] yard

[00:42:29] but then

[00:42:30] it's even

[00:42:31] worse

[00:42:31] that CBS

[00:42:32] when they

[00:42:33] actually put

[00:42:34] a picture

[00:42:34] up

[00:42:35] it was just

[00:42:35] kind of a

[00:42:36] generic picture

[00:42:36] of some

[00:42:37] FEMA worker

[00:42:38] talking to

[00:42:38] someone

[00:42:39] and it

[00:42:40] wasn't

[00:42:40] the

[00:42:41] Marnie

[00:42:42] Washington

[00:42:43] the

[00:42:43] African

[00:42:44] American

[00:42:44] it was

[00:42:45] this white

[00:42:45] woman

[00:42:45] who I think

[00:42:47] should be

[00:42:47] furious

[00:42:47] because it

[00:42:48] looked like

[00:42:49] she was

[00:42:49] the one

[00:42:49] that made

[00:42:50] that

[00:42:50] particular

[00:42:51] statement

[00:42:51] anyway

[00:42:52] it's just

[00:42:53] one more

[00:42:53] reason to

[00:42:54] not believe

[00:42:54] everything

[00:42:55] you see

[00:42:55] in the

[00:42:56] media

[00:42:57] hopefully

[00:42:58] we are

[00:42:58] your source

[00:42:59] for trusted

[00:42:59] news and

[00:43:00] information

[00:43:00] but most

[00:43:01] importantly

[00:43:01] I want

[00:43:02] to say

[00:43:02] thank you

[00:43:02] to

[00:43:04] Megan

[00:43:04] for her

[00:43:05] help

[00:43:05] engineering

[00:43:05] the program

[00:43:06] thank you

[00:43:06] to Steve

[00:43:07] for producing

[00:43:08] the program

[00:43:09] we'll see you

[00:43:09] back here

[00:43:10] tomorrow

[00:43:10] right here

[00:43:11] on Point of View

[00:43:12] Who can

[00:43:13] you trust

[00:43:15] years ago

[00:43:16] many of us

[00:43:16] could probably

[00:43:17] have provided

[00:43:18] a fairly long

[00:43:19] list

[00:43:20] but today

[00:43:20] well today

[00:43:22] it seems

[00:43:22] we almost

[00:43:23] can't

[00:43:23] trust

[00:43:24] anyone

[00:43:25] educators

[00:43:25] don't even

[00:43:26] know what

[00:43:27] a woman

[00:43:27] is

[00:43:28] anymore

[00:43:28] many so-called

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