Point of View May 9, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Incident

[00:00:00] We often times come back to the issue of China and have been very concerned over the years

[00:00:28] that we've had for example many of our leaders that have ignored some of the statements that

[00:00:33] have come from the communist leaders and those individuals.

[00:00:39] We talked about that more recently with Senator Marco Rubio and we've certainly documented

[00:00:44] some of the concerns about how China has affected not only trade but human rights and a variety

[00:00:50] of other issues and that's why I'm so excited about this new book and really been looking

[00:00:55] for a book that kind of pulls all of those various issues together.

[00:00:59] It is entitled The Indictment, Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends

[00:01:06] for Crimes Against America, China and the World.

[00:01:10] The first section are Charges Against the Chinese Communist Party, nine different charges.

[00:01:16] Part two, What We Must Do and Gives 20 Action Items to Protect America and Defeat the

[00:01:23] Chinese Communist Party and then part three, How to Get the Action Items Done and then

[00:01:29] a very extensive appendices that talk about some of the webinars that actually brought

[00:01:36] about this particular book and so again we have information about it on our website

[00:01:41] you can get it in hardback or Kindle and it is written by Frank Gaffney.

[00:01:45] Of course you know him, he's the executive chairman of the Center for Security Policy

[00:01:50] and the founder.

[00:01:51] He also probably many of you know as the host of the Secure Freedom Radio and as

[00:01:57] an individual that was nominated by President Ronald Reagan to become the Assistant Secretary

[00:02:02] of Defense for International Security Policy, senior position at the Defense Department

[00:02:09] and individual that has been a good friend of this ministry and so Frank Gaffney welcome

[00:02:13] back to Point of View.

[00:02:14] It's wonderful to be with you.

[00:02:16] Thank you so much for having me Kurt.

[00:02:18] Let's if we can for just a few minutes give people a background because in some

[00:02:23] respects you have really developed these various indictments or charges by having

[00:02:29] a series of webinars where in many cases you've had some of the experts, some of whom

[00:02:35] we've had on the program like Gordon Chang and others to actually go into pretty good

[00:02:41] detail about why we should be so concerned about China.

[00:02:44] Wow, where to begin?

[00:02:48] I guess what I would say Kirby is that I think especially since we were attacked

[00:02:57] the so-called Wuhan virus also known as SARS-CoV-2 technically but it came out of

[00:03:07] I think it's now beyond dispute a biological warfare laboratory in Wuhan China.

[00:03:15] Every American has been affected by that.

[00:03:18] Some of us have lost our lives, others lost loved ones, maybe we've lost our

[00:03:24] jobs or certainly our incomes.

[00:03:26] I mean it's been a profound wake up call I think to an awful lot of us.

[00:03:32] You know there's an old expression fond of that conservatives are liberals who've

[00:03:38] been mugged by reality and I think all of us have gotten mugged by this Chinese

[00:03:45] biological warfare attack and that is exactly what it was.

[00:03:50] So what we wanted to try to do was to try to make available to the public in a

[00:03:57] fairly short book a way to think about what the Chinese Communist Party is up

[00:04:03] to, what it is in the first instance which is really not so much a

[00:04:07] political party, Kirby or even a government.

[00:04:10] It's a transnational criminal organization, the most dangerous in the

[00:04:18] history of the world and what it has been engaged in this sort of structure

[00:04:26] that you mentioned.

[00:04:27] Nine counts in an indictment that we believe must be prosecuted at a minimum

[00:04:34] in what's called the court of public opinion.

[00:04:38] You know on programs like this and then debate in the Congress and so on.

[00:04:44] Starting with the crimes against humanity that this transnational criminal

[00:04:49] organization has perpetrated, specifically by some estimates as many

[00:04:57] as 100 million people murdered by it since the Chinese Revolution and

[00:05:04] Kirby that doesn't count the 400 million that the Chinese communists

[00:05:09] have boasted about murdering in the wool.

[00:05:12] Mostly baby girls as part of their so-called population approach.

[00:05:18] So this is on a scale unprecedented in history and it's where you start

[00:05:23] because why?

[00:05:24] Because it's not only on its own grounds, unbelievably horrific.

[00:05:31] It's also that Kirby, any government or any party or any criminal

[00:05:36] organization that treats its own people that way is unlikely to treat ours

[00:05:43] better.

[00:05:44] And then we go on to talk about eight other counts that are reflective of the

[00:05:48] kinds of things they've already been doing to us for the past 30 years or

[00:05:52] so.

[00:05:53] We get into that unrestricted warfare as they call it if you'd like.

[00:05:57] Well certainly the case.

[00:05:58] Let me just mention as you said something in passing that it is easy

[00:06:01] to read and it's relatively short.

[00:06:03] The entire book is about 200 pages but if you take out the appendix which is very

[00:06:07] good but again that's about 120 pages so quite readable and I might just suggest

[00:06:14] as we go through those some people might number one to nine.

[00:06:16] We may not get all of those but the first one you just mentioned is

[00:06:20] charge number one and that is the Chinese Communist Party has

[00:06:24] perpetrated crimes against the people of China and its captive nations.

[00:06:28] So you've sort of already talked about of course you have Mao's Cultural

[00:06:32] Revolution and then the People's War and some of those but even more recently

[00:06:37] the Uyghurs and I saw something the other day where there was a

[00:06:40] presidential candidate where they said something about Uyghurs.

[00:06:42] It's well I don't know what that is and I thought well I'm hoping that

[00:06:45] most presidential candidates would know.

[00:06:47] I would hope most listeners would know but we are not just talking about

[00:06:52] something happening under Chairman Mao.

[00:06:54] We're talking about things that are happening even this day aren't we?

[00:06:58] Well we absolutely are and the Uyghurs just to be absolutely clear are just one

[00:07:06] community of China that is being mistreated.

[00:07:11] The Tibetans are another, the Southern Mongolians are another,

[00:07:15] the Hong Kongers are yet another and what is the common denominator in all of them

[00:07:22] is that they treat them without regard for human life let alone you know human

[00:07:29] rights. They've been murdering them, they've been confining them in concentration camps,

[00:07:34] they've been forcibly removing their organs in some cases without anesthesia while they are

[00:07:42] still alive. They particularly these political prisoners and the like Falun Gong and so on.

[00:07:49] There is no limit to the kind of barbarism that has been exhibited again towards people

[00:07:56] that the Chinese claim are their own whether they you know actually think of anybody other

[00:08:02] than Han Chinese. It's really a racist sort of approach but even the Han have suffered

[00:08:10] tremendously at the hands of the Chinese Communist Party and it's just a message

[00:08:13] to the rest of us. They will not treat us better that's for sure.

[00:08:19] Let's take a break and when we come back we're going to get into a couple other charge number

[00:08:23] two. The Chinese Communist Party is at war with America and the party has captured

[00:08:29] America's elite and is using it to take us down so we're going to talk about

[00:08:34] what happens not only on the outside but what happens on the inside and it'll take you

[00:08:40] through this wonderful and very sobering book The Indictment, Prosecuting Chinese

[00:08:46] Communist Party and Friends for Crimes Against America, China and the World. We'll be right back.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. The fertility rate in this country hit a record

[00:09:05] low last year. The total fertility rate dropped to 1.6 births per woman. We need 2.1 for

[00:09:11] replacement but the U.S. decline in fertility is not unique. Nearly every country in the

[00:09:16] developed world and most countries in the developing world face long-term population

[00:09:21] decline. Columnist Don Fetter was on my radio program recently to predict that a

[00:09:26] demographic winter is coming. He talked about countries in Asia that used to be known for

[00:09:31] their high birth rates but Japan's economy is slipping into a recession due in part to lower

[00:09:36] domestic demand because of a falling population. China is set to lose 60% of its population by

[00:09:42] the end of the century. South Korea has the world's lowest fertility rate. Almost a quarter

[00:09:47] of the workforce is 70 and older. There are more Koreans in their 70s than in their 20s.

[00:09:52] At the 2023 natal conference, Kevin Dolan warned that if birth rates continue to plummet,

[00:09:58] civilization will end. He predicts we will pass through a bottleneck tighter than the

[00:10:03] Black Death and as a millennial he laments that only 60% of his peers will marry and have children.

[00:10:08] The percentage will likely be even lower for Gen Z. The one exception to this decline is

[00:10:13] religious people. Although he is Jewish, he acknowledged that Catholics and evangelicals

[00:10:18] do have more children. To that list he also added Orthodox Jews and Mormons. Religious people

[00:10:24] have children because procreation is an act of faith. I quoted Psalm 127 that reminds us that

[00:10:29] children are a heritage from the Lord and we can be blessed if we have a quiver full of them.

[00:10:34] We're headed for a demographic winter unless we return to a biblical view of procreation

[00:10:39] and family. I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view.

[00:11:04] We're having a conversation today with our good friend Frank Gaffney. What a privilege to have him here

[00:11:08] today as we talk about this new book, Indictment. I might just mention that you know

[00:11:13] that we have done a number of Outlook magazine articles over the years on China. I'm sure we'll

[00:11:20] be doing another one and when we do I will be pulling lots of material from this book because

[00:11:24] the facts, the figures, the quotes, the documentation is so well done and it's probably a book

[00:11:30] that we will get multiple copies of and even pass out to some of our donors. We think very

[00:11:35] highly of what Frank Gaffney and his staff have done but the first one of course was a charge

[00:11:40] against humanity in general. But Frank, now many of these are charges against the United States.

[00:11:47] One is of course the Chinese Communist Party's at war with America and then of course you

[00:11:52] get into how it has captured America's elite, begun to affect the energy. Of course you

[00:11:58] talked about biological warfare but let's start with the one of war with America. I can think of

[00:12:03] other times when you and I've talked about radical Islam or I think about your book Sharia,

[00:12:08] The Threat to America. We talked about the fact that radical Islam was at war with America

[00:12:12] even though America didn't realize it. That's sort of a little bit true about China as well.

[00:12:17] We've always been told by many of our political leaders and the elite that we can

[00:12:22] actually manage China and actually it's just a trading partner but you give some documentation

[00:12:28] to show that's false. Well it's not a little bit true, it's 100% true Kirby and if anything

[00:12:36] they represented vastly greater threat than the jihadists do. I think they work together

[00:12:42] and interestingly enough and we talked a little bit about the Uighurs those are of course a

[00:12:45] Muslim ethnic minority in the western part of China but somehow the Sharia supremacists

[00:12:55] as I call them elsewhere around the world. Turkey and in Central Asia and Saudi Arabia

[00:13:02] and other places are perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to what the Chinese communists

[00:13:08] are doing to their co-religionists. It's rather extraordinary for a simple reason though

[00:13:12] and that is for these totalitarians whether they're of the communist party stripe in China

[00:13:19] whether they're of the Sharia supremacist stripe around the world or for that matter

[00:13:26] whether they're of the so-called globalist stripe of what's called the world economic

[00:13:34] forum types of Davos. They all have a single end state in mind in which they will be

[00:13:43] ruling the world but they also share an interim step that they all seek to accomplish and they

[00:13:52] are willing to work together to do it and what is that? It's taking out the United States of

[00:13:58] America because we are the inevitable impediment that they have to overcome to become the new

[00:14:05] world hegemon. So you're right, we have eight charges of what the Chinese communists

[00:14:14] and their friends here in the United States have been doing against our country and it starts

[00:14:20] with the fact that they have been at war with us at least I would argue since the

[00:14:27] early 1990s but truly basically going back to the founding of the communist party. It was

[00:14:34] always the case that they saw themselves as the next superpower, global power, hegemon whatever

[00:14:45] you want to call it and we were their inevitable enemy but to the point of understanding this

[00:14:51] it's been made vastly more difficult to understand what we're up against because the

[00:14:59] made such a very focused effort at what they call capturing elites in this country and all of these

[00:15:08] people have an incentive to obscure what the Chinese communists are up to because it's their

[00:15:15] gravy train. Most of them are getting paid handsomely for helping the Chinese, others may

[00:15:19] have other inducements, sexual favors or ideological affiliations whatever it is that

[00:15:24] motivates them. They are working with our mortal enemy the Chinese communist party and I'm

[00:15:31] sorry to have to say this but it's true the poster boy of this phenomenon is the president

[00:15:39] of the United States, Joe Biden, a man who I believe has been captured for 15 or more years

[00:15:45] by the Chinese communists and has been rendering badly especially in his present

[00:15:52] capacity but also in his previous one enormous services to this enemy of this country and

[00:15:59] to the great detriment of its people. And again we've done interviews with Peter Schweitzer who

[00:16:03] you quote red-handed how China wins by making American elites rich and of course you even go

[00:16:10] to Stephen Mosier but in order to cover all nine I'll move on to number four because that's

[00:16:15] one that you've already alluded to but I thought it'd be worth focusing some time and

[00:16:19] attention on how the Chinese communist party has waged biological warfare against America and the

[00:16:26] rest of the world and that takes us to the COVID pandemic but there's a lot more than just that

[00:16:31] isn't there? Indeed let me just make the point about that. We did a separate book in fact that

[00:16:39] I drew upon for this book called the CCP's War with America and it was an effort by a group

[00:16:47] we called team B3 to assess the official position of the United States government which is that they

[00:16:54] just really couldn't tell where this virus came from. Now you know maybe it came from this wet

[00:17:00] market as they call it in Wuhan or maybe it came from a laboratory they just didn't know

[00:17:05] and we looked at that rigorously and it turns out there's really no evidence

[00:17:10] at all that it came from nature and plenty of evidence albeit circumstantial

[00:17:17] because we can't get direct evidence but plenty of circumstantial evidence not belief that

[00:17:22] our own government and the person of Tony Fauci had been helping fund and provide technology

[00:17:30] for their biological warfare program but it I think now is generally accepted including by the

[00:17:38] U.S. government that hey it did come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but here's the point

[00:17:44] Kirby however it got out of that laboratory whether it was intentionally released or perhaps

[00:17:52] accidentally released what we know for sure is that the Chinese Communist Party deliberately

[00:18:00] sent it here and elsewhere around the world that gives rise to our conclusion that it was

[00:18:07] a deliberate biological warfare attack aimed at not just taking down Donald Trump

[00:18:15] but really demonstrating the power of biological warfare to do far worse to us and to societies

[00:18:24] like ours and here's possibly the most important takeaway of the entire book well the first one

[00:18:32] and this one the indictment and that is a quote from a man who was at the time about 20 years ago

[00:18:41] the defense minister of China his name I pronounced it Chi Hao Chen I'm not sure

[00:18:46] that's how it's pronounced by the Chinese but he was a general and he told a secret

[00:18:53] meeting of the communist leadership that they had been ordered that is to say the Chinese biological

[00:19:03] warfare program the legal biological warfare program by the way had been ordered by Deng Xiaoping

[00:19:10] the guy who brought us Tiananmen Square as the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party

[00:19:16] to prepare to depopulate the United States so that it could be colonized by China and that

[00:19:27] is what they were testing that is what they did a lot of damage yes to be sure but they've

[00:19:33] got vastly worse weapons that could be truly devastating of our population and I think what

[00:19:40] they demonstrated was a proof of concept and then you asked what else is going on one other

[00:19:45] thing that has happened since the book came out as you know Kirby we discovered a biological

[00:19:52] weapons laboratory in Reedley California by grace of God I mean there's no other way to describe

[00:19:59] it sheer happenstance really and what that suggests is that there probably are others

[00:20:08] similarly situated in our country and they may not be you know at the moment

[00:20:15] in full biological weapons manufacturing mode but as a very important webinar we conducted the

[00:20:21] other day demonstrated and by the way people can get access to all of these committee on the

[00:20:27] present danger china webinars and there's some 110 of them I think at this point

[00:20:33] for free at present danger china.org and you mentioned in the book the appendices

[00:20:39] actually you can get a QR code that will help you instantly pull them up

[00:20:44] but here's the point what we found in this particular webinar was that the inherent

[00:20:52] capabilities of a lab like this one in central California about 40 miles by the way

[00:21:00] from an extraordinarily important naval air station that supports our carrier battle groups

[00:21:06] in the Pacific if it were taken down so would much of our ability to project power

[00:21:15] but here's the point that could be in place as a bio weapons laboratory at any moment

[00:21:21] with just a quick turnaround there and in other facilities perhaps.

[00:21:25] Frank Gaffney will be back with him right after this.

[00:21:31] In 19th century London two towering historical figures did battle not with guns and bombs

[00:21:38] but words and ideas. London was home to Karl Marx the father of communism and legendary

[00:21:46] Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon. London was in many ways the center of the world economically

[00:21:52] militarily and intellectually. Marx sought to destroy religion the family and everything

[00:21:59] the Bible supports Spurgeon stood against him warning of socialism's dangers Spurgeon understood

[00:22:06] Christianity is not just religious truth it is truth for all of life where do you find men

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[00:23:09] or staff of this station and now here again is Kirby Anderson. Continue our conversation today

[00:23:15] with Frank Gaffney as we talk about this new book The Indictment we have information about

[00:23:20] it so that you can certainly order it in hardback or Kindle we have a link of course

[00:23:24] to the Center for Security Policy and a variety of other resources that would be available to you

[00:23:30] and as you mentioned just a minute ago near the back there's more than 70 QR codes which allows

[00:23:36] you to go and look at any of the webinars we're talking about and Frank I was just thinking

[00:23:41] that if you wanted to take down the United States there are some very strategic places

[00:23:47] to do so and one would be to certainly attack our economy well that's charge number five

[00:23:54] also our energy sector that's charge number six and then certainly want to weaken the military

[00:24:02] and that's charge number seven so it seems to me that whether you're looking at biological

[00:24:08] warfare attacks on our economy attacks on our energy sector or weakening our U.S. military

[00:24:15] China has done a pretty good job of attacking the United States

[00:24:20] Yes and that's part of what the book is really about is just laying that out as something that

[00:24:27] hasn't just happened to us you know I Kirby as you may remember I grew up in Pittsburgh,

[00:24:31] Pennsylvania and at one point not so long ago it was the steel capital of the world

[00:24:37] Yes and it then became the capital of the Rust Belt perhaps and you know I never growing up

[00:24:45] ever had anybody explain why it was that it went from one to the other well in no small measure

[00:24:51] it was as a result of yes what the Chinese Communist Party did you know essentially undermine

[00:24:58] our steel sector by creating their own and then dumping steel for decades on us but they

[00:25:05] also were helped as they were in so many of these areas like you know the Green New Deal for example

[00:25:12] by Americans who have been perfectly prepared to undermine our energy security for example

[00:25:19] or to try to transform fundamentally to use Barack Obama's expression

[00:25:27] the United States military and if I could just give your listeners a particular well not just

[00:25:33] warning but really a call to action we have about four weeks to try to do something

[00:25:42] to prevent the installation of a man who seems to embrace wholeheartedly this idea of using

[00:25:53] a critical race theory inclusion and equity and the transgender agenda and climate change

[00:26:09] agenda and all these other so-called woke nostrums but what they are frankly is cultural

[00:26:18] Marxist techniques for dividing and taking down institutions like the only military we have

[00:26:29] and what makes this particularly alarming this particular line of attack of their unrestricted

[00:26:35] warfare curvy this crime against our country in the form of war crimes is that taking down

[00:26:42] our military is something that enormously benefits the Chinese if as I think they are

[00:26:50] preparing to do they decide to go to the old-fashioned kind of war with us the shooting

[00:26:57] kind so the help that they're getting from you know leaders of the military itself the Biden

[00:27:04] administration there's a general the guy I'm talking about is a fellow by the name of

[00:27:08] General CQ Brown who is currently the chief of staff of the Air Force he is in the course

[00:27:14] of four years in that office reduced according to the Heritage Foundation the Air Force

[00:27:21] readiness and strength from marginal to very weak I would think that would be grounds enough

[00:27:29] for not promoting him all by itself but on top of it he has this idea apparently of making

[00:27:36] that agenda I just described to you the priorities for the military and the devil take the hindmost

[00:27:43] and I mean that quite literally with you and your audience the diabolical nature of what this

[00:27:51] cultural Marxism entails is something that I think is well it connotes the kind of spiritual

[00:27:59] warfare that is being waged against us in our country I just mentioned too that some of the

[00:28:04] people that of course you quote Reggie Little John who've been on the program Elaine Donnelly

[00:28:09] and of course you're talking about things like critical race theory and cultural Marxism

[00:28:14] which is of course charge number eight about waging a divide and conquer political warfare

[00:28:20] and so you've of course illustrated one of those individuals but these topics that we've

[00:28:25] been talking about for some time have been out there but even there there's of course

[00:28:30] on the church there's of course the issue of open borders there's even things like ticktock it seems

[00:28:37] to me that at almost every level when we talk about a particular issue here on point of view

[00:28:43] you can if you work hard enough follow a train of information or a particular line of

[00:28:50] reasoning that takes you back to communist China yeah that's no exaggeration and you know

[00:28:58] whether it's indirect as I say people who have thrown in with the Chinese communists here in

[00:29:06] the United States whether they're people like Joe Biden or other politicians or you know cabinet

[00:29:12] officers or sub-cabinet officials in our government whether they're military officers

[00:29:18] at least to the point of you know embracing this this cultural Marxist agenda whether it's

[00:29:24] of financiers people on wall street like Larry Fink of Blackrock who are now under investigation

[00:29:32] by this new house select committee on the Chinese communist party this guy has floosed

[00:29:38] by some estimates altogether by himself but he's been the leader in it something between

[00:29:43] three to six trillion dollars in American investors money much of it out of our pension

[00:29:51] funds our 401k plans our mutual funds index funds what have you into the hands of the Chinese

[00:29:57] communist some of it has just gone directly into the people's liberation army to build weapons

[00:30:03] with which to kill us that's just another example of how this these old friends as they're

[00:30:10] called in the United States have been aiding and abetting this enemy and it must stop but

[00:30:16] you know we we are going to run out of time here I'm sure to talk about some of the 20 action

[00:30:20] items that we identify that have to be taken in my estimation one of the most important of them

[00:30:26] Kirby speaks to this very point you cannot have especially for heaven's sakes in time of

[00:30:33] unrestricted warfare to say nothing of a shooting war people leading our country in any

[00:30:39] of these arenas business finance politics the media Hollywood academia sports whatever

[00:30:50] people who are working for that enemy so rusting them out you know identifying them forcing

[00:30:59] their resignations where appropriate impeaching them in other cases prosecuting them for

[00:31:04] betraying our country I think has to be one of the top things that gets done if we want to survive

[00:31:10] the present danger as again talk about some of those action items you've already illustrated

[00:31:15] some of course understanding the threat that's why we're doing this program and investigating

[00:31:19] of course the Biden family some of that may be taking place you talked about removing from

[00:31:24] office but one of the others that you've talked about when we've talked about radical

[00:31:29] Muslims is adopt a war footing anybody that's heard you on this program knows that you have

[00:31:35] actually written about a war footing but they might not understand what that is we have new

[00:31:39] radio stations we have younger listeners that have never heard that what do you mean by this

[00:31:44] idea of developing a war footing as it relates to China well you could do worse than start

[00:31:51] with what the Chinese are doing themselves and in their case they've been mobilizing the whole

[00:31:58] of their society to prepare it for the sacrifices and for the hardships that are going to be

[00:32:07] entailed if god forbid we find ourselves in a shooting war with China it means getting out from

[00:32:15] under supply chains that are dependent upon the Chinese for everything as you know Kirby from

[00:32:22] medicine to critical minerals to you know flat screens and chips of various kinds and

[00:32:30] and so much more I mean to look around you on your hardware store or you know you're a

[00:32:36] Walmart guy it's chock-a-block with stuff that is all manufactured in China that has to be

[00:32:44] changed if we wish to survive it and people say well that's going to be very hard or that

[00:32:48] will be very painful or that will take a long time well one of the things that I think the

[00:32:53] Chinese are preparing to do is to cut us off yes so it might happen right quick so we better

[00:32:59] actually do what we can to do you know to mitigate the problem but beyond that Kirby it

[00:33:04] also means preparing you know stockpiling otherwise readying ourselves for the kinds of

[00:33:15] dislocation you know one of the other things that we just have to mention in all of this is

[00:33:20] there is as just one of the extraordinarily frightening aspects of the border being wide

[00:33:29] open thanks to Joe Biden's policies is there is evidence that thousands of people who look

[00:33:35] like People's Liberation Army members are pouring across it wow let's take a break

[00:33:40] we'll take some phone calls too 1-800-351-1212

[00:33:43] Frank Gaffney with us we'll continue our conversation with him right after this

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[00:34:02] take a few more minutes with Frank Gaffney again the book is entitled

[00:34:05] indictment and we have information about it on our website but we also have a link to

[00:34:10] the committee on the present danger of China you just simply go to presentdangerchina.org

[00:34:16] of course we have the link there of course also you can go to the center for security policy at

[00:34:21] center for security policy dot org and again all that information is available at our website

[00:34:26] let's take a phone call or two just as we go along here we'll go to South Carolina first

[00:34:30] Teresa you're on with Frank Gaffney yes sir i wanted to ask Mr Gaffney if he believes that

[00:34:36] COVID was specifically engineered to take out the old and the sick as the population they see

[00:34:43] as a drain on their society and not our children because that would leave

[00:34:47] their ideal population for takeover what about that frank boy that's a great question the

[00:34:56] answer is probably not something we know but i think if you want an informed guess

[00:35:04] yes that was right to me we certainly know that it was bioengineered they are working by the way

[00:35:14] and this is in their published literature so this is not a secret to design some of these

[00:35:21] bio weapons for the purposes of eliminating certain populations yes certain ethnic groups

[00:35:28] certain nationalities maybe so would it be conceivable that they would be interested in

[00:35:36] tailoring one that would eliminate the huge numbers of Chinese elderly

[00:35:47] and you know any that are you know have comorbidities as they say who are unfit

[00:35:53] uh it's entirely possible but again that assumes that these are people who would be willing

[00:35:59] to murder large numbers of their own people which brings us back to charge one of this

[00:36:05] indictment we know this that they have demonstrated that will let's just before

[00:36:10] we ran out of time talk about some of the other action items of course you talked about

[00:36:13] the fact that we should be buying american goods and all that but you have some sections

[00:36:18] here about banning tick tock anything that could be a national security threatening app

[00:36:25] i have friends that fly drones and a lot of those are made in china you have various kinds

[00:36:31] of products and even telecommunications equipment it does seem to me that if we really

[00:36:37] are serious about this and we should be then we should pay attention to some things that also

[00:36:43] are what are oftentimes seen as consumer products that's absolutely right carby and

[00:36:51] i'm sure that there are a lot of americans who say hey wait but i i love my drawer

[00:36:56] you know i love tick tock the trouble is that they're not simply consumer products in

[00:37:01] the hands of the chinese communist party they are weapons uh tick tock is being used to

[00:37:07] collect data that is going to be weaponized against not only those users of tick tock but

[00:37:14] everybody who's on their phone or otherwise comes in contact with their microphone or their camera

[00:37:20] because all of it can be manipulated by the chinese communist similarly if if you have a

[00:37:29] drone you have to have essentially the permission of the chinese to operate it if you are

[00:37:35] giving getting their permission you have to give them information about what you're doing

[00:37:40] and by the way they collect the feed and it's bad enough that consumers in this country are

[00:37:45] using their drones american government agencies have been as well so that's just a source of

[00:37:53] intelligence for the chinese communist that doesn't quit the point is that i i think again

[00:37:59] it goes back to the question you asked before the break if we're serious about surviving

[00:38:05] what's coming our way we have to adopt a war footing and part of it is you have to be sensible

[00:38:09] about not yielding to the enemy any advantages that you can possibly avoid including these well

[00:38:17] i'd be remiss if i did not talk about securing the grid because you and maybe a handful

[00:38:22] of other individuals are the only ones we've ever been able to bring on the program to

[00:38:26] talk about the fact that we have a vulnerable energy grid i've written commentaries about it

[00:38:32] i've done interviews with you and with for example a senator in the state of texas and

[00:38:37] a few others that have talked about this but it seems to me to be something we need to do

[00:38:42] and you list that as one of our action items it has to be and and you know you have been

[00:38:48] such a hero in trying to help call attention to this for many many years as long as i

[00:38:53] known you i think and god bless you for doing it because while it's now i think becoming

[00:38:59] patently obvious to people that we need to do this we still aren't getting it done curvy

[00:39:06] and down near state of texas i think you're talking about senator bob hall

[00:39:09] yes i am championing legislation for years in the state legislature he's been afforded four

[00:39:16] sessions running in getting the kind of legislation that's really needed just to

[00:39:20] protect your state in san antonio they're doing some important work trying to actually

[00:39:26] create a model for how you protect a city in our country that could be you know applied not

[00:39:32] only elsewhere in texas but across the nation but it's going slowly as well and here's the

[00:39:37] kicker if in addition to the fact that people are now with some regularity shooting up electric

[00:39:44] transformer substations which is kind of a amazing yes yeah you also have get this 400

[00:39:53] grid high voltage transformers throughout our grid manufactured by the chinese communist party

[00:40:02] there you go and we have reason to believe they have back doors that can destroy them at

[00:40:08] the direction of people in beijing so this is not you know something that we can actually

[00:40:14] just continue to ruminate about or admire the problem we've got to get on with fixing

[00:40:19] because it is a critical vulnerability as i said just very quickly the very end of the last segment

[00:40:25] if you have thousands of elements inside the united states and the chinese decide to go to

[00:40:33] a shooting war with us you can bet some of them will be assigned to take down our electric

[00:40:39] grid and probably do a lot of other harm to us as well and what are we doing about that

[00:40:44] but not a thing actually those people are coming into this country the only thing we're

[00:40:48] doing about it we're not tracking them monitoring their status we're disseminating them at taxpayer

[00:40:55] expense all over the united states what could possibly go wrong and again i know there will

[00:41:02] be some people afterwards saying we didn't talk about them purchasing farmland or food

[00:41:06] production well it just ran out of time i mean again that's in the book and again i

[00:41:10] just want to recommend that people get a copy of the book the indictment but in the last

[00:41:15] about minute or so i just wanted to spend some time frank talking about what people will find

[00:41:19] when they go to present danger china dot org they can support you they can have you come and

[00:41:25] speak they can see the videos they can get the book talk about what's available to our listeners

[00:41:33] i think we just lost level course yes i beg your pardon i just went through a belly

[00:41:37] can you hear me now i can apologize okay um very quickly the point is that if you take

[00:41:43] this book aboard you will get the distilled essence of many of those webinars you will also

[00:41:49] be more knowledgeable about this problem than just about anybody serving in the united states

[00:41:54] congress at the moment and certainly i would argue in the white house we need that kind

[00:41:58] of awareness and we need you to insist that the people representing you or the people looking

[00:42:03] for your vote so they can represent you in the next election are clued up about china

[00:42:10] and preparing our country to protect it against the very present danger that it poses to us

[00:42:17] and the possibility that it would destroy us if they had their way again the book is entitled

[00:42:24] the indictment frank gaffney has been with us and again we encourage you to go to our website

[00:42:28] to find all this information i highly recommend the book and frank as always you've done an

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