Point of View May 21, 2026 – Hour 2 : Ratio Christi

[00:00:05] Cross America Live, this is Point of View. Now, Dr. Merrill Matthews. And welcome back to Point of View. We're going to spend this hour talking about Christian apologetics and how you can learn more about it and even get involved personally.

[00:00:30] My guest by phone is Corey Miller. He grew up in Utah as a seventh generation Mormon. He came to Christ and then later became a pastor, philosophy professor, campus minister, and now he serves as the president and CEO of Ratio Christi. That's an apologetics group. He's authored five books. He holds three, count them, three master's degrees along with a PhD from the University of Aberdeen in Scotland.

[00:00:56] And joining me in studio, Robert Zynstra. He is a follower of Jesus. He is the chapter director of Ratio Christi at the University of North Texas and the chapter director of the Denton County Christian apologetics. So we are talking about Christian apologetics. Corey, thank you for joining me. It is great to be here with you. And Robert, thank you for joining me here in studio.

[00:01:19] It's a pleasure. So, Corey, I listened to you here a few weeks ago and you made such a compelling presentation about what you're doing, the work of Ratio Christi. Start out by telling us what does Ratio Christi, how does it, how did it get its start and what does it do?

[00:01:36] Ratio Christi was founded about 15 years ago when some students at Appalachian State University in North Carolina felt like they couldn't get answers from pastors that they were, you know, at churches that they were attending. And they were a bit frustrated because they needed answers on the college campus. And so they made their way down to a local seminary, had a partnership there, struck up a name, and they were off to the races.

[00:02:04] But we've now been around for about 15 years. And we've got, we're in 15 different countries. We have a high school division. We have a professor's division, a PhD student only division. And then our undergraduates on college campuses on about 100 campuses. And we are a Christ-centered organization. It's not just God-centered, but Ratio Christi means the reason of Christ.

[00:02:30] We want to equip students and professors to give historical, philosophical, and scientific reasons for following Jesus. What are the core beliefs of the organization? I mean, core beliefs, we are pretty eclectic. We've got the frozen chosen Presbyterians, the behavioral Baptists, the crazy Charismatics. I mean, but we are Orthodox evangelical Christian in our orientation.

[00:02:58] But we make the main things the main things when it comes to campus ministry. We're sort of a mere Christianity organization. We partner well with others because we've got big fish to fry on the university campuses, you might say. So Christian denominations, people, if I'm a Presbyterian, if I'm a Baptist, if I'm a seven-day Adventist, are we able to join into the chapters of Ratio Christi? Oh, yeah.

[00:03:25] As Augustine once was alleged to have said, in essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity. So if you're on with the essentials, then we welcome you into our fold. People can go to our website and look at our specific statement of faith. But we are an Orthodox evangelical Christian organization.

[00:03:50] And by Orthodox, I mean Eastern Orthodox, even though there are some of those people that play in our sandbox as well. Now you reach out to, you establish chapters and colleges and I think high schools, universities. Tell us about that. Yeah, these are like ordinary campus ministries that meet weekly for their specific events that they do.

[00:04:17] But they're different than the rest of the campus ministries. I like to tell people that what separates us from every other apologetics ministry in the country is that we're on the campus, the most influential institution-shaping civilization. And what separates us from every other campus ministry is that we do apologetics evangelism. That is, we engage in thoughtful Christianity.

[00:04:41] We try to address the tough questions, whether that's transgenderism or why does God allow evil and suffering, or whether the Bible is historically reliable and how does it match up with science. So we address questions that sometimes become obstacles for people resisting Christ and we believe that we have the truth.

[00:05:05] And so really we want it to come down to whether that person is ready to follow Christ or not. There is no intellectual barrier truly to someone following Christ because our worldview, I tell people, is intellectually superior to all competing worldviews. Do you do this by setting up debates? I mean, do the various chapters have a debate on something or is this done in the classroom or is it just done in the meeting? How do you proceed on that?

[00:05:34] Yeah, Robert can speak into that specifically on the classroom since our, on his specific campus. Our campuses are all different and we give a lot of freedom to the chapter directors based on the needs of that campus and the strengths of that particular chapter. But we tell people, you know, like Epictetus, the Greek or Stoic philosopher who said, we have two ears and one mouth for a reason so that we listen more. If someone needs a hug, we give them a hug.

[00:06:02] If they need an argument, we are the ministry that gives them an argument. So instead of doing Bible study, prayer groups, Thursday night barn dances like some other campus ministries do, our weekly meetings are focused on these hot topics. Maybe it's one month on Islam. Maybe it's a month focused on postmodernism or maybe the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. It depends on what the needs are of that chapter, the student constituents.

[00:06:31] And then of course we do, you know, annual big events where we've done everything from large scale debates with several thousand people showing up live to conferences on human sex trafficking where we'll bring in an ex porn star or an ex sex slave and have them tell their stories.

[00:06:48] And what better, you know, you know, and then something talking about being enslaved and then being freed from that slavery, which we're all in a sense slaves to sin until we're set free by Jesus. So we do these big events and they are catalytic events to drive, you know, to drive more people out to hear what we have to say. And then eventually we get around to presenting the gospel of Christ.

[00:07:18] My guest for this hour is Corey Miller. He is the present CEO of Ratio Christie. Also joining me in studio is Robert Zynstra, who is the who runs the one at University of North Texas. When we come back from the break, we want to turn to you, Robert, and talk a bit about how a chapter is set up, how that chapter works, how people can find out more about chapters and maybe consider either joining a chapter or maybe creating their own chapter.

[00:07:45] Corey, just quickly, how many chapters do you have out there? Again, if we're talking about standard undergraduates, that's about 100 different campuses. We've got about 25 that are college prep, that work in tandem with high schools, with churches and so forth. And we prepare students to not just survive but to thrive in the universities. And then we've got about a dozen or more that are Ph.D. students or professors.

[00:08:13] And then again, about 15 different countries represented. My goodness, it's quite an organization for not having been around that long. My guest for this hour, Corey Miller, he's the present and CEO of Ratio Christie. And also joining me in studio, Robert Zynstra. We're going to take a break here, a mandatory break. And then when we come back, we want to find out a little bit about how that chapter works at the local level. So stay with us. We'll be back on Point of View.

[00:09:00] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. Perhaps you've seen that OpenAI is now offering a chatbot known as the Shepherd, which is a Christ-like shepherd offering an empathetic ear and compassionate guidance. In case you're wondering, the guidance comes from input provided by Reddit. In the past, I've reminded you of the phrase garbage in and garbage out. It's really hard to take seriously an AI chatbot that learned about the world from Reddit. Alex McFarlane has been a guest on my radio program many times.

[00:09:30] As you might imagine, he has a few things to say about this AI chatbot. He says, The mind of Jesus derives from the historical record of the New Testament, not Reddit. Artificial intelligence may seem like an amazing cost-saver to cash-strapped ministries, an instantly available counselor for those desperate for answers, but it can't replace a human counselor guided by the Holy Spirit. I think it should be obvious to most people that an AI counselor, even if trained by solid biblical content,

[00:09:58] would never be as effective as a private session with a counselor who can provide biblical principles and guidance face-to-face. At a time when so many Americans are dealing with anxiety and loneliness, what we don't need is more screen time with an AI counselor. A few months ago, I talked about how AI was influencing the church. One survey found that a majority of pastors use AI to prepare sermons. At one end of the spectrum are AI tools that help you polish something you are writing. On the other side is the reality that AI wrote the sermon.

[00:10:27] We shouldn't be surprised that AI has moved into the counseling field. It is one thing to use a search engine to see what the Bible and even prominent Christians teach about mental and spiritual issues. It's quite another to make AI your shepherd. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view. Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net.

[00:10:55] That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. And welcome back to Point of View. I'm Merrill Matthews sitting in for Kirby today. And we're talking about Rocio Christie. This is a Christian apologetics group. And joining me by phone, Corey Miller. He's the president of Rocio Christie. And joining me in studio, Robert Zeinstra, who is the director of the University of North Texas chapter.

[00:11:26] So, Robert, tell us a little bit about how does a chapter get started? What does a chapter do? If I'm interested in that, how does that work? Yeah, absolutely. Kind of beginning with the end in mind, we have four different expectations of a director. The first is we're going to teach apologetics. The next is we're going to build community. The next is we're going to do evangelism, because apologetics is just a pathway to sharing the gospel.

[00:11:54] And finally, we want to develop leadership within some of our student leaders. So, with those four things in mind, to start a chapter, you first need an advisor. So, you have to have a professor who's going to be your advisor. And this is pretty much standard for any university. At UNT, I found an advisor. And then from there, you need officers. So, you've got to find a way to talk to students, get them interested.

[00:12:21] And in my case, it was working with Baptist Student Ministries. I was able to talk to some of their students. We had a few interested. I had three officers and an advisor. And now we've become an official student organization. You're ready to go there. So, do you meet with, like the Baptist Student Union? Do you meet just someplace off campus? How does that work? Yeah, we happen to meet at the CCC. It's Christian Campus Community.

[00:12:50] This is a non-denominational ministry. They have a building right next to campus. It's actually a former fraternity house. And it is a great place for us to meet every Monday night at 630. And as Corey said, we have a specific topic. We have done undergraduate debates. Debates. And all those topics, you know, are in the scientific, historical, philosophical, or cultural space.

[00:13:17] And we meet and then we table three times a week in the university union. What does that mean? We have a table set up with a whiteboard and we're talking to students as they go by. We're promoting Rasho Christi, but more than anything, we're trying to get some spiritual conversation going to see if we can actually do some apologetics evangelism right there in the student union. Do you get people who've just heard about it and they want to come in and just sit in and see what happens? Yeah.

[00:13:45] Our target on any university is the Christian who identifies weakly and they have doubts and challenges because the university environment is going to give them more and more doubts and challenges. It's going to add fuel to the fire. So we want to get to them before they've fallen off the wagon, so to speak. That's our target, but we talk to everybody and anybody. In our meetings, we've had folks who identify as Norse pagans, witches.

[00:14:15] We've had, of course, a lot of atheists. We have Muslims, Hindus in particular. So everyone's welcome, but our target is that young Christian who really hasn't learned that Christianity is true, not just a blind faith. You know, Corey, that's a real problem. Colleges and universities are a challenge for people who've grown up in the church and they've been to Sunday school and they come feeling like, well, I'm a Christian.

[00:14:43] But then they hit these areas where they start getting professors. They get challenged on a number of things. They don't think they have an answer. And you get some falling away at that time, don't you? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And because I actually travel the country, so I see many of the different chapters. They all have different flavors, again, according to the chapter director and the audience on that particular university.

[00:15:08] So we have one chapter, for example, that had more trans students attending it than non-trans students. Yeah, I've got one person emailed us this month telling us a story that he was the director of the Atheist Club on that campus. And he wanted to pass a note on to the former Rossio Christi chapter director, whom he used to have regular conversations with about God and morality.

[00:15:35] And he said, this was 10 years ago, and since then I've become a Christian, and I just think back about all of our conversations that, you know, planted seeds. So that person came to Christ, closed the Atheist Club down, happened also at UCLA, the Atheist Director there, closed the chapter down because in conversation with our people, he got saved and started meeting with our group. No need to have the Atheist Club open again. And I can tell tons of stories like that across the country.

[00:16:02] So, yeah, we try to equip the believers to give reasons for following Jesus. But we are the ministry on campus to address the non-believers hot topic questions. And I don't want to be too critical of churches, but an awful lot of people come from Christian background, and they just have not been given the intellectual background, the answers that they need to be able to address some of these challenges. Well, I do want to be critical of churches.

[00:16:32] Not every church, but I will say when people ask me, what's the solution to all this? Like if you read my book, The Progressive Miseducation of America, if you make it through the first two-thirds of it without, you know, wanting to go pull your hair out and just wonder, is there any hope for us? I say, yeah, there is, but it needs to start by repenting. When Jesus was challenged by the Pharisees and Sadducees, what's the greatest command?

[00:17:01] He said to love the Lord your God with all your heart, your soul, and your mind. And for the last century, evangelical Christianity in America has been marked by the menace of mindless Christianity. And there are a lot of good pastors out there, a lot of good pastors in churches. But there are a lot that are horrible because they are being more influenced by culture and sociology than by scripture and theology.

[00:17:29] They're so enamored with the latest fads like skinny jeans and fog machines that they forget about Christian thought and equipping people for works of ministry, which is what Paul says that, you know, pastors are supposed to do. And so, you know, if you want to follow Jesus, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commands. You want to follow him, love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.

[00:17:51] And the recent data coming out of, you know, like the Barna Research Projects and Arizona Christian University shows that, you know, the number of people that hold a biblical worldview in the United States is down to about 4%. With pastors, it's 37%. Evangelical pastors, I guess we're supposed to be excited. It's between 51% and 57%. So, yeah, I do want to be critical of pastors. They're the shepherds.

[00:18:20] Not all of them are terrible like this. A lot of them are great. But far too many are derelict of duty. They are not guarding the sheep and they're not equipping us for works of ministry, especially when you're going to go off to the university campus. If I told you what the statistics are there, it would be mind-blowing. Robert, what are some of the biggest challenges you see from students coming in?

[00:18:46] I mean, we have students who, guys, some girls who spend their whole day doing video games and so forth, and yet they come in. What is the challenge that you see in trying to get them focused on the issues and the answers? Yeah, yeah. The biggest challenge right now is, is God good? Is Christianity good?

[00:19:07] Because the culture right now wants to beat down that college student and high school as well with the idea that Christianity is bad for the world. It's bad for culture. It's bad for the United States, right? So generally we have to overcome that right up front. And then it's just, is Christianity true? Well, religion isn't a true-false sort of thing. That's the wrong category, they'd say.

[00:19:37] This is you either believe it or you don't. And so therefore a Hindu or a Muslim or a Mormon is just as right as you are in claiming truth. So all of those things are kind of at the forefront. But then evolution.

[00:19:54] I mean, when 90-some percent of professors are teaching evolution, i.e. that the universe created itself somehow, and that life comes from non-life somehow, we'll figure it out someday in the future. And then that deletes the need for a creator God, and then it puts all of God's word into jeopardy at that point.

[00:20:20] So that's a really big topic that we touch on a lot in our meetings, evolution, science versus religion. That's the mythology that's out there as well. We're going to have to take a break here, but when we come back, let's all talk about the issue of truth because you've got so many people today who just simply do not believe there is a truth. You can have your truth and I can have my truth, but there is no truth.

[00:20:47] And that just strikes me as one of the big challenges we've got to be able to overcome. My guests were talking with the present CEO of Rocio Christie and along with Robert Zainstra, who is a chapter president or chapter director. And some of the issues that students find as they try to go and navigate the world, both in just high school and college, and some of the challenges that they find from people who are going to raise questions about Christianity.

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[00:23:05] The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, Dr. Merrill Matthews. And welcome back to Point of View. Merrill Matthews sitting in for Kirby Anderson today. And we've got on the phone, Cory Miller. He is Dr. Cory Miller. He is president of Ratio Christi. And then joining me in studio, Robert Seinstra. He is a director of the University of North Texas chapter of Ratio Christi.

[00:23:35] And, Robert, y'all have a lot of material that you have available for people because an awful lot of people come and they just don't know where to go or what to look at. And you've got some material there. Yeah, yeah. We do. The last couple years, and Cory can speak more broadly where this started and where it's going, the Ratio Christi team has put together a number of resources for us. You could call it our curricula in a way.

[00:23:58] And what I rely on, there's 47, almost 50 of these Novum series booklets. This one's written by Dr. Stephen Seymire of Discovery Institute, Contemporary Scientific Evidence. This one says, does God hide from us? Right? That's often a claim against God. Prophecy and fulfillment, building a path to truth. You were just talking about that.

[00:24:24] So we use these really effectively in our learning environments and giving them away to students who have these concerns. We're also using these in the summer and winter break time period where a student can read a booklet in a two-week time span, and then we can get a dozen of them together to talk about what they read, maybe questions they have, and so on. We use these with parents in the church as well as high schoolers.

[00:24:53] And maybe Corey can talk a little bit about where we're going with this and how this got started. Corey? Sure. Yeah. And in addition to those nearly 50 booklets, there are other mini-booklets as well. So we've got Create Discipleship Material, everything on classical apologetics, on science, on scripture, on suffering,

[00:25:17] and on current cultural apologetics that include things like race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity, and so forth. Those are also available now through Logos Bible software as well as through our website. And then we just started a journal on theology, philosophy, and culture as well. So Rossio Christi is the premier thinking man's campus ministry. That's not to say that the others are not thoughtful on campus, but this is our forte.

[00:25:46] We're sort of like a special ops ministry, not general infantry, so to speak, when we have boots on the ground. We are especially trained to be able to dismantle worldviews that are subversive to Christian thought. And there are a lot of them, especially on the campus. You know, it's such a challenge. I remember when I became a Christian in college, the first thing I wanted to do was to go out and find good material.

[00:26:14] And I found some, but it was hard to find good material and to know which is going to be good, dependable material to read. Right. Yeah, and I think we try to make that available on our website for those booklets, for example, that Robert was referring to. They're free for download if anyone wants to just go put their e-mail address in there, and you can have access to all of them. And they're accessible.

[00:26:40] Not only are they written by scholars, but we require them to be written at the 11th grade reading level. That's the equivalent of the New American Standard version of the Bible. So they're accessible. They're 25 pages. They're digital or printable. Again, free for download on PDF if you, you know, just sign up for the e-mail. So the resources are there. They're available to people. And people are busy. Pastors are busy.

[00:27:11] But you've got to be able to equip your people, equip your kids, train them in the way they should go. And when they get older, they won't get conscripted to work for the other side, which is actually what's happening on the college campus. Corey, mention some of the books that you have written because you've written several. Yeah. So I have three books on Mormonism, one with former Mormon scholars called Leaving Mormonism, why four scholars change their minds.

[00:27:40] I have another one that is written by almost all former Mormon missionaries responding to the Mormon missionary message, dismantling the Mormon missionary discussions that they have in your home so that people know exactly what they're going to cover in all their discussions in your home and how to respond as a Christian. And then I've got another one, engaging with Mormons, understanding their world, sharing good news. And I'm looking at their psychology, sociology, and their theology. That's on Mormonism because I have a seven-generation background.

[00:28:10] My ancestor was a full bodyguard of Joseph Smith. But the ones on, you know, I've got other ones on philosophy. Is faith in God reasonable? Debates in philosophy, science, and rhetoric. In search of the good life through the eyes of Aristotle, Moses Maimonides, and Aquinas. These are, you know, those are for philosophers, people that are interested in that kind of stuff. But the most recent one, and I think it's the most important book that I've ever written because of the cultural moment,

[00:28:37] is The Progressive Miseducation of America, Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the Classroom to Your Community. People are wondering, what just happened to my country? America is gone as we knew it. It's no longer Grandma's America. And I tell them how that happened and how we can respond to it. And you have concerns just about the ability to be able to reach out to people on campus, haven't you?

[00:29:03] I mean, the free speech issue and being able to share your message has been under attack as time has passed, hasn't it? Since I was an undergrad, I had to appeal to legal authority. When I was a professor of philosophy and ethics at Indiana University, I had to reach out to Alliance Defending Freedom to help.

[00:29:25] When I became president 11 years ago, and since then, we've had about 160 legal inquiries, four federal victories, five appellate corps victories, two SCOTUS assists, and a recent victory in the Department of Education. And so we're constantly dealing with legal issues on the campuses. We started as Christians, these universities, and now they don't even want to, on the campus, giving our ideas.

[00:29:51] They want our money, our tuition dollars, and they want our kids. You know, Corey, this strikes me as so strange. And Kirby and I have talked about this at times in the past. When I was in college, when I was an undergraduate, if I heard a lecture was going to come up, if I didn't agree with it or something, I'd go and listen to what the person had to say to see what their message was, and then I could try to deal with it one way or the other. And a lot of that has changed recently.

[00:30:23] Yeah. I mean, when I was at Princeton lecturing a couple of months ago, and preceding me was another professor there from the University of Washington, talking on, he's a queer trans feminist river scientist, whatever that is, right? And that's what his discussion was on, queer and trans focus on love and grief for rivers and fish. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that you're finding at these universities.

[00:30:53] And the dominance, the moderate, the middle ground is gone from the campuses. They're getting rid of the middle, and the conservatives are so few in number, those who stick their head up above the foxhole get a shot off to make an example of them so that the other ones stay in the foxhole. This is a real fight on the campuses.

[00:31:17] But the ratio of liberal to conservative professor, and by liberal I really mean illiberal, kind of Marxist leaning, is 23 to 1 for those who recently got tenure and about 27 to 1 at the Ivy League schools. So if parents and pastors are listening to this and they're not preparing their flock and their family to face this stuff,

[00:31:43] then it's like shooting fish in a barrel and parents and grandparents are literally paying for the apostasy of their own children. We need to equip our people for this. Robert, that seems to be the biggest challenge is equipping people and getting them ready to face this. How do you do this at the local chapter? Yeah. Well, at the local chapter, we recruit people to come to our Monday night meetings, and we've averaged 30 in this last semester.

[00:32:11] So we'll have topics like the classical arguments for the existence of God from the cosmological argument or the design argument or the moral argument, try to create a good foundation. In the second semester, we usually have a potpourri of topics. It's more what do the students want to talk about. So we'll talk about art as an evidence for the existence of God or music.

[00:32:39] We'll talk about women's roles, for example, or archaeological findings that help support the efficacy and the truthfulness of biblical claims. So we hit those topics, and then we find leaders from within. The folks that generally attend more than once or twice or three times, we pull them into a core team.

[00:33:07] And now we want to develop them and create leaders from them. Some of them become our officers. Some of them go to our table in the student union and rehearse and practice their apologetic skills. Because, you know, we all think about 1 Peter 3.15, right? Always be ready. But 1 Peter 3.16 is to do it with reverence and respect. That's the key.

[00:33:30] Because we can have this knowledge, and we just want to deliver that knowledge to somebody, but we have to do it in the right way. We'll be back in just a minute.

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[00:34:05] And we're back with our final segment talking about Roshio Christi and apologetics, Christian apologetics, and being able to provide especially students answers with questions that they have. Robert, you are the director of a university chapter. If I want to start a chapter, if I'd like to get involved in that, how do I do that? Yeah. And, Dr. Merrill, if you wanted to talk to me, then I would direct you, right?

[00:34:32] But if you don't know another director around the country, just go to Roshio Christi, R-A-T-I-O-C-H-R-I-S-T-I dot org. And then you're going to see a link there that says get involved or join. Now, that email is going to go to our national headquarters, and then you're going to get a follow-up. And in that case, they'll probably put you in touch with a local director so you could hear about how it works, what's required.

[00:35:00] Hey, come and attend some of our meetings at UNT, and you'll get a feel and a flavor for it. So that's the best way to kind of get started. And then, of course, each university or college has a different requirement for getting a student organization set up. You need to do a little bit of research on that. But it's salesmanship, really, selling yourself into the university and then getting students to join. What about high schools? Yeah, high schools.

[00:35:27] The longer you spend in the university and college environment, the more you yearn to get upstream into cleaner waters into the high school environment. In fact, we just started a chapter here. We're calling it Denton County Christian Apologetics. It's focused on high school. We want to serve all high schoolers and churches in Denton County.

[00:35:50] So that's just another facet within Roscio Christie to apply and to become a chapter director for high school. That takes a little bit different flavor. You can't just go on campus like you can with universities. You may have to set it up through a church or through kind of a neutral site, but it's really needed and necessary. Corey, have you had some success in high schools? Oh, yeah, absolutely. We've been on secular campuses.

[00:36:20] We've been on Christian campuses. And we operate from within churches for that as well. The national director of the RC College Prep, RCCP as we call it, is there in Texas as well. And he's actually got a middle school group and a high school group. And what he does with his high school group is he takes them over to the local university and allows them to test their mettle that he's trained them on for a while

[00:36:46] to get used to what it's going to be like when they go off to the university. And then they come home sometimes with their tail between their legs. Now they really want to listen and pay attention and learn this stuff because they realize what they're up against when they go off to the university. Do you have it? It's different. You've got Friday Night Brat Row. Yeah. What's that? I was going to say, do you have a course that if I want to become essentially qualified in some sense,

[00:37:15] do you have a course that I can read, I go through, some way that I get approved by you as a person who is able to do this? No. A lot of people come to us from a lot of different angles. Some come from within our chapters, increasingly more. They forego their career, say, in engineering or biology or whatever their degree was in.

[00:37:40] And they come on board with us and they raise full support, and this is a career pathway for them because this has got eternal results. And if you're at the university, that's the greatest leverage point in culture right now, impacting the university because that's where our doctors and lawyers and political leaders and so forth are at, and K-12 educators. Some people, though, come from seminaries. Some pastors join us. Some professors join us as well.

[00:38:07] So we have content within, but we often partner with other organizations if they want, you know, quick worldview training in 10 months. We partner with the Colson Fellows if they want to know how to, you know, speak publicly. We partner with Cross-Examined. If they want to get seminary training in history, biblical studies, philosophy, science,

[00:38:30] we partner with a lot of the nation's seminaries to get great discounts, 25, 50, and in some cases even 100% off. So if people want to go to higher education, we have ways of helping them earn masters and PhDs at discounted rates as well. So what's your biggest challenge that you have at the local level? Yeah, at the local level.

[00:38:54] And just to add on to the last question, we've got a lot of young people who want to get involved. And I mean 21-year-olds, 22-year-olds. And they especially want to get involved at the high school level. Or if they're in college, then that's a great match too. And I have a couple different options of putting them through some formalized training, both locally here that I might do or some of the churches might do worldview training.

[00:39:23] And then they get from that a level of confidence, resources, and then it's also good for the resume to say, hey, I went through this certification program. So it is a certification kind of program. Yes, yeah. There's about a dozen out there that we can go to. And I have some of my favorites. But again, it depends on where someone's at and how much money they want to spend or what our discount is or isn't.

[00:39:49] But the key is to get them confident because just like a salesperson, if you're not confident in your product, you're not going to do a good job selling it. You're going to talk too much and not listen enough. So that's how we like to get people started here locally. And I'm focused on the young people right now. Just to take the negative side on this, if somebody comes up and you say, I'm just not sure this person is qualified. He wants to start a chapter.

[00:40:17] I'm just not sure he or she is there yet. Can you push back? Can you say, no, we're going to go with somebody else? What happens if you're not confident from somebody? Yeah, I think what we do is we try to get that person into an internship or an assistant chapter director role. And so I'm fortunate. I have two assistant chapter directors, one on the high school side, one on the college and UNT side. And they're learning.

[00:40:45] They're given responsibilities that are helping them grow and develop along the way. And then that may provide them the opportunity to assume a chapter director role. We also have a chapter director, Rebecca Lowe, at TWU and then another one at Tarrant County Community College. So we have a lot of places that can kind of do mentoring and mentorship for people that aren't quite ready and just want to see. And then we can help them get there. Corey, we've only got a couple of minutes left.

[00:41:14] Tell people how they can get in touch with you, with the organization. And what's next on your agenda? Where do you want to go in the next few years? If they want to get in touch with me, you can go to drcoreymiller.com. That's my speaking website. You can look at my schedule, bring me to your campus, to your church, your conference, or your men's ministry. And I speak on a plethora of topics, but that's a way to get in touch with me.

[00:41:39] Of course, you can always go through the rashiochristi.org website, and that's where you're going to see various chapters across the country to plug into. That's where you'll find our press, RC Press, with our product line. And if you want to think about graduate school, we help fund bright Christian Ph.D. students going off to top 100 universities and launching chapters there as well.

[00:42:06] So if people are looking to get involved at the high school level, the undergrad, the grad, or the professor level, we do all of that, and we tag with churches as well. Where we're going into the future, we're on 100 college campuses. We want to make sure we're on all six continents. We want to be able to reclaim the universities for Christ. It's been done before. I write about that in my book. It's been done before, in other words, a radical changing of the guard.

[00:42:36] We started the universities. An ideological revolution came through. We got ousted. We had to go start, you know, Calvin and Biola and Wheaton and other universities like that. And now the second ideological revolution is moving through the universities, overturning the first one, and infiltrating into our culture. And that shows that it's been done multiple times before. It can be done again. We want to do that. Corey Miller, thank you for joining me.

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