Point of View May 18, 2026 – Hour 2 : Beyond Success

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson. As I mentioned last hour, we have the World Cup coming to North America. World Cup will run from June 11th to July 19th.

[00:00:29] Final game will be played at the New York, New Jersey Stadium there in East Rutherford, New Jersey. They now have their qualifying playoffs and we now know the full 48 team field for this tournament, which will take place in the United States, Canada and Mexico. I think this is a great opportunity for evangelism as people are watching the World Cup. There have been various evangelistic opportunities there.

[00:00:56] Of course, we have the world coming here for the greatest sports event in the world, and I think you will certainly appreciate that as well. So we have now been able to connect up with Celis Puerrera, who is the author of this book that just came out a couple weeks ago, Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God and Glory, international soccer star, two-time World Cup midfielder for Brazil,

[00:01:26] but he's also played for other countries as well. Then became a coach and has even been a commentator on ESPN, an individual that I think you will certainly appreciate with, oftentimes seen as one of the most gifted and intelligence midfielders for that. Born in Brazil, played, of course, on the Brazilian national team, but also later transitioned into coaching and various leadership roles

[00:01:52] and also has been an individual that has worked as for Athletes for Christ. I think you're going to appreciate that as well. Really takes some of the principles of his life, helping us understand mentorship and really begin to focus on what true success means. So Celis, thank you for joining us by phone from Brazil. Thank you for joining us today here on Point of View. Yeah, my pleasure. My pleasure.

[00:02:18] And sorry because of the kind of problem with the connection, but we are here. Well, we ended up just moving to the second hour. Unfortunately, we have a two-hour program. Let's start with your origins. You were born into a full house. We will talk about the loss of your mother and then later your father. But I think for some it would be just great to hear your story of origin

[00:02:43] because in some respects there is, again, sort of a great success story of an individual who you might not have necessarily at the time thought that he would become an international soccer star or, as you say, football star. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was not easy at all because, as you said, we lost mama when I was five and then we lost father.

[00:03:10] Then I have bronchitis. So I got sick. It was not easy because of that because I was so skinny to play soccer. And I used to play when I was a teenager, 15 minutes with my friends, and then 15 minutes trying to recover the brats to play another 15 minutes.

[00:03:35] So, but God has a plan for me in the world of soccer. And he made a way for me to play in big clubs here in Brazil, also in Europe, Japan, and then to reach the top high level, which means the Brazilian national team in the World Cups. Yes.

[00:04:03] Again, you've got a picture of you with Pele and some others we'll talk about in just a minute. Let me come back, though, to your mother dies at the age of five. You were, at the time, going to an Assembly of God church, and then you became members of a Nazarene church. But it does seem to me that that as part of your life, because at the age of eight, your twin brother and you made a public decision to accept Christ, and that really carried you all through life, didn't it?

[00:04:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When mama's dead, when I was five, we moved to Nazarene church, and we have been there about 55 years. And this is so important to me and to my family, because we learned in Nazarene church how to love God,

[00:04:59] how to maintain the belief in God and His words, and also learning about principles and values. So, and when I was eight years old, we got baptized, and I accepted Christ as our Savior. And this has made all the difference for me.

[00:05:26] And I think the pastor was a U.S.-born missionary, also served as a professor in the local seminary. So, in some respects, when people talk about mission work, in some respects, you were the recipient of some of that, weren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:05:42] Because when I started my career, it's like God opened the doors for me. And I became a missionary in Portugal, in Italy, Japan, Qatar, Argentina, Uruguay as well, and even here in Brazil.

[00:06:08] Well, again, let's get into, of course, playing soccer or football. It is called worldwide. And in some respects, you point out early on, and I thought that was really good, that talent isn't enough. People were always telling you and your brother and others that we had great potential.

[00:06:28] But it does seem to me that you have met, and I think we've all seen, whether it's professional athletes here in the United States, football, baseball, basketball, whatever, or in your country, for example, soccer players and others who had the gifts and maybe even had the natural talent. But that was not enough, was it? And I think in some respects, that comes back to your persistence, your dedication.

[00:06:57] Can you speak to that for a few minutes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talent is not enough, as you said. You have to – I had to sacrifice many things to become a professional soccer player because we have a time to wake up. We have a time to eat. We have a time to go to school. We have a time to go to practice. And you change coach.

[00:07:26] You change tactical situations. You change country. You change language. You change culture, food, weather as well. And you have to face many things to succeed and reach a professional career.

[00:07:48] And after that, you have also to – how to lead with fame and money and being a non-person. Yes. And everywhere you go, so it's not easy at all. But when you have – I am surrounded by a Christian family. My dad, the pastors, we live alone.

[00:08:18] So we get along. And this is what's so important to me, to not lose my heart and to not lose being humble in spite of the light that the word comes upon you when you are a famous person. Yes. Well, again, here we are. Skinny Kid with bronchitis made it to one of the top clubs in the world. We'll come back and talk more about that right after this.

[00:09:00] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. The Middle East is changing, and so is the world. Israel's war with Hamas is one reason, but a more significant reason is the Iran war. Victor Davis Hanson outlines the global ripples from the Iran war. Whether you agree with the current military action or not, you should acknowledge that the war is changing the world as we know it.

[00:09:25] He persuasively argues that it has shattered old alliances, checked China and Russia, and realigned the geopolitical landscape. A devastated Iran won't be funding Hamas and Hezbollah even if the Iran war ends tomorrow. He reminds us that for more than half a century, OPEC has terrorized the industrial world with threats of oil shortages and sky-high prices. We are now starting to see a change with the United Arab Emirates announcing that it will be leaving the cartel.

[00:09:53] It is likely that other countries will follow, and we're also seeing some Arab nations encouraging the U.S. to continue bombing Iran. Russia is effectively cut off from the Middle East with the loss of its Iranian ally. Meanwhile, Russia is trapped in a four-year quagmire in Ukraine, has a declining population, and has an economy on the brink of depression. China has lost much of its influence over oil-rich Venezuela and will be looking for new oil producers since few oil tankers are moving through the Strait of Hormuz.

[00:10:22] The Chinese leaders may also be having second thoughts about moving against Taiwan after seeing the U.S. high-tech aerial and naval prowess. We can have a debate about whether the Iran war was prudent. We can have a debate about whether the costs are worth it. But we can't deny that the war has sent ripples across the world. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:49] Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net. That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back once again, and Silas Povera, as we are talking about his book, Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory.

[00:11:17] Silas, let's, if we can, just maybe talk about not only the physical demands on you, but the emotional ones. Because early on, you talk about dealing with homesickness, sort of pregame anxiety. You tell the story of, at one point, being told you're not going to play because you just found that you weren't going to get cut, but you weren't also going to play. The mental factors are pretty significant, aren't they?

[00:11:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. When I was to go try at Sao Paulo FC, one of the biggest clubs here in Brazil, the two coaches were, I was hiding, trying to drink water, and they were not seeing me. And one said to another, what is this kid that comes from Campinas, Silas, what he comes to do here?

[00:12:14] He comes here to eat, and I was so skinny, and it was so embarrassing me. But my father used to say to Paulo, my twin brother and me, the last word in your life belongs to God.

[00:12:30] So, I took that in my heart because many people give up for their career before it started, when they heard something like that. And this is for me, when you have good advice at home and good advice also from the Bible, you be strong inside.

[00:13:00] And you understand the value that you possess inside. And I understood that when I was a kid, before 15 years old. And it helped me a lot to face also these kind of bad words. Yes. Well, again, we've already talked about the loss of your mother. I'm going to talk about your father for just a minute because he had a stroke and eventually didn't make it.

[00:13:29] But you talk about, and this is, I think, very important and maybe a lesson we can pass on to all of our listeners. Your father's priorities, you say, were very clear. God, his children, and his work. And in some respects, people get those all out of order because even many years after your mother had passed away,

[00:13:53] you don't remember your father pursuing any other relationship because he was sort of dedicated to you children. And he also was somebody that you did not want to disappoint. So in some respects, whether it's you or your brother or other members of your family, it does seem to me that your father left a real legacy in your life, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[00:14:17] He taught us about putting a proper order of priorities, like God in the first place. Then now I understand better my marriage, most my wife. And then after my wife, my kids, I have three kids, all marriage. I have two grandsons, and the 31 is on the way.

[00:14:45] So then my extended family, then my house, then the gift that God gave to me to help others, most people that cannot give back for you, and then the work, the things you do.

[00:15:04] So when you can feel or you can follow this order of priority, the chances to succeed becomes bigger, right? Very good. Again, we're talking with Silas Puerra, and we need to get you on the World Cup, so let's do that. First of all, the World Cup, as I mentioned before, is going to run this year from June 11th to July 19th, 2026,

[00:15:34] three different countries, United States, Canada, and Mexico. And this dates all of us a little bit because you were talking about preparing for the World Cup in 1985, which was significant, and the tournament was going to take place in Russia, the primary territory, of course, of the Union of the Soviet Social Republics, USSR. And so talk about that because many of our listeners may are just starting to learn about this idea of the World Cup.

[00:16:01] Those of you around the world are certainly focused on it every time it takes place. But as I pointed out a minute ago, not every team can participate. There are qualifying playoffs, and then there's a, at least now, a 48-team field, which then is narrowed down.

[00:16:22] So talk about that significance because all of a sudden you find your national team winning the South American Championship in Paraguay. Now you're going to the World Cup. Can you tell us more? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was not common because when I was 19 years old, I played for the Brazilian national team under 20. As you said, in Paraguay first, the South American League.

[00:16:50] Then we played in Russia, the World Cup under 20, and we won twice, Paraguay and Russia as well. And then one year after that, I was playing for the Brazilian national team in a professional in Mexico.

[00:17:09] And this is not easy at all, but it's the top for soccer player Korea when we reach the World Cup. And I think that, as I said before, God has had a plan for me to be in his voice in this kind of competition when the whole world is hearing you.

[00:17:39] What do you say? And how you live? And what are your priorities? So that was a good moment to tell about the faith in a simple way for the world. Well, and again, you have a picture here of you with Pele.

[00:18:04] But there's another individual that you were thrilled to play with, and that's Zico, which probably is not as well known to the American audience. But he's probably as famous or almost as famous at Pele. And there was a time in which he had been having some kind of knee surgery and injury, and he had to come off. And guess who goes in? You get to go in for this incredible player at the national stage, right?

[00:18:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we are in a room next to another, and then I had a chance to pray with him and say how God could heal him, his knees, to continue in the World Cup in Mexico. And, in fact, this happened.

[00:18:57] And he could play and help us to reach the – I think we went to the quarterfinals in Mexico. We lose for France. And he's still my friend until now. And as you said before, he's – I think after Pele, I think he's the second best player here in Brazil. Yes, well, again, this is all part of this book, Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory.

[00:19:26] Coming to a break here, and I thought when we come back we'll talk a little bit about how you met your wife. And then I want to get into being a coach and then, of course, being a commentator on ESPN and some of the other ways in which God has blessed you, because there have been some great opportunities for you even off the field, and that's something I think would be helpful. And for those of you that are listening, let me again mention that I think this World Cup may be a real opportunity.

[00:19:53] I know some of our evangelistic outreaches – we're going to be covering that in the next couple of weeks, I hope – that have tracks and various resources. You have the world coming here, and it could be just a real opportunity for you. But nevertheless, if you have a young person in your life – it could be a child, it could be a grandchild, a niece, nephew, whatever –

[00:20:15] whether they play soccer or not, but certainly if they play soccer, to have this incredible story of an individual that had to play and was able to play. First of all, had to play instead of Zico, which I think is pretty intriguing, and actually play at that level. But also, I certainly see this as passing on some great biblical principles, and we're going to talk about that when we come back from the break. And so if you find yourself saying, well, I'd kind of like to get a copy of the book.

[00:20:45] The good news is it's not published in Brazil. It's published by our good friends at Harvest House. It just came out about two weeks ago, I should say. You might be able to find it in your local bookstore, but as you well know, we have a link there so you can get it in paperback or Kindle. Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory.

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[00:23:05] The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson. Back once again as we talk about this book, Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory. I thought it would just be a good way to kind of gear us up for the World Cup. And Silas Purare is with us. And Silas, first of all, I love the pictures that are in there.

[00:23:34] And you've got pictures of you and your wife in Japanese garb and you and your kids. And it just occurs to me, we've got to get you married, first of all, here. So let's talk about how you got married. And then, if nothing else, illustrates, I've oftentimes said, join the military, see the world. Another part of that is become an athlete, see the world, because you found yourself even playing soccer in Japan. But first of all, you do have a chapter about how you met your wife. Can you share that?

[00:24:04] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's beyond success, I think, means when you reach to maintain a marriage, because it's not easy. In fact, four out of five are bankrupt, divorced, and unemployed two years after their retirement. Wow. So it's a victory for me.

[00:24:32] People sometimes think that playing a World Cup, good clubs, is the most or the highest place. It's good, but it's not everything. I think being 38 years married, it's for me very nice, important. And I can say this to the others, and building a family.

[00:24:59] I think also this is, it's a support for someone. Right. Well, and she taught Sunday school and sang in the choir and all sorts of things. So you made a very good choice there as well. Let's, if we can, maybe talk about what happened, because I had you go to Japan, for example. And when you were there, not only were you married, but you had three kids.

[00:25:24] So obviously, even as you are continuing in your athletic activities, there were some real opportunities. And in just a few minutes, we'll even talk about being, if you will, a missionary athlete. But before we get to the whole Athletes for Christ, just talk about how, in some respects, this opportunity to use your physical gifts really provided you with other venues of opportunity, didn't they?

[00:25:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Playing in many countries and learning a lot of language. A lot, I didn't say a lot, a lot of language, but maybe two or three, it's important to talk in a good way in the countries I lived.

[00:26:17] And in Japan as well, because we had at home meetings with the Brazilians and the people from South America to talk about our faith, to talk about the Bible, about God, and also trying in doing good inside the field to have more opportunity to speak out of that. Well, again, you were a Brazilian star in Argentina.

[00:26:47] Of course, you were in Japan. But then we come to today will be your last game. And, of course, you're back on Brazilian soil. But for many people in the athletic world, they sort of don't know what to do with themselves next. You already pointed out about the divorce rate being very high, how many of them ended up bankrupt.

[00:27:09] You've seen that with American football players and basketball players and others as well, if they don't manage their lives and manage their funds. But immediately then they said, you know, you've got a knack for coaching. So take us from being an athlete who's on the field, really responsible for his own athletic performance, but being a leader. And now, as you point out in the book, now you had to be a leader of leaders,

[00:27:36] and you had to pay attention to all the athletic prowess of those individuals. And that is different, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Being a coach is quite different because you have like 25 out of 30 sons that you have managed and that you have been a role model for them.

[00:28:02] And this is not easy because they come from different backgrounds and also cities here in Brazil or outside. But there are a lot of values and principles that I learned. Then I could take advantage of that when their leader, their head coach.

[00:28:32] You talk about the coach's life. What is that like exactly? Because in some respects you had, of course, an assistant coach. You had a solo coach. In some respects that was a real challenge for you as well to figure out what that might mean. And you were able to do that for a number of years after, I guess, 12 years of coaching. But in some respects give people a feel for what a coach's life is like when you're dealing with soccer.

[00:29:03] Yeah, it's different. It's different. You have to face being alone. And not always you can bring your family with you. And that's why also I decided after 12 years to go to another situation.

[00:29:23] And then I become a commentator in ESPN in order that I can stay more time with my wife and my kids and my family. Well, again, that's one of your chapters here about weighing the value of every move because now you find yourself in a very significant venue. This is kind of the third phase of your life. ESPN reporter.

[00:29:50] And yet I thought it was very interesting because you use as one of your key verses Joshua 24, verse 15. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. And so here, once again, you had to really make a decision about what your priorities were, what was most important.

[00:30:11] And just as you had to make those decisions about what is right and what real success is as a first player, then as a coach. Now with the visibility of television as an ESPN sportscaster, you had to make those decisions again. And making the correct decisions are going to be very important. Yeah, yeah. I think that being famous is not wrong.

[00:30:40] The money that you can get for our career. But now I think that people can watch me as a good soccer player when I played. And also a serious and honest head coach.

[00:31:04] But now they can see me as a father, as a commentator. And they can, through the book also, see that regardless of the profession they choose, they can find in the book good principles and values that can also apply in their lives.

[00:31:31] As a profession or as a father, son, in work, in a Christian's life, in everywhere. One of the things you really focused on is the issue of humility. Now, of course, you were born into a large, humble family anyway. But one of your key verses is 1 Corinthians 10, verse 12. Lest anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

[00:31:59] And it does seem to me that we certainly can rejoice in your success. But I think what runs through your book is the idea that sometimes the world's definition of success leaves you empty. And that's why the subtitle of your book is One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory. Because humility is really one of the key aspects of what has helped you to be so successful.

[00:32:28] Don't you think? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you about that. And we have some examples about that. Players that reach the highest level and then they have money, but some of them are in jail.

[00:32:49] So this is complicated because you have to understand that it's okay succeeding in Korea. But it's more important when you understand that you are a man and you have to have integrity, be humble, and put the others in front of you. And I think at this you learn along the road, right?

[00:33:19] Well, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll spend just a few more minutes talking about Beyond Success. Silas Pereira is with us. The cover actually says, And again, you will be able to find the book possibly in your local bookstore. But if not, it is published by Harvest House. We have information about it on our website. And we'll talk a little bit more about some of the day-to-day things that Silas does to make sure he's centered in Christ. We'll talk about that right after this.

[00:33:59] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Thank you. Silas Pereira with us for a few more minutes as we talk about Beyond Success, one athlete's outstanding pursuit of goals, God, and glory. Published Bargain Friends at Harvest House. And one of the keys to success you talk about, Silas, is you say, I intentionally cultivate habits of prayer and Bible study in my home.

[00:34:25] I've always enjoyed selecting a book of scripture and studying it with my children. It became a meaningful way to pass on the principles I had learned alongside daily prayer. The word of God holds the power to renew our thinking and, as a result, transform our behavior. If we wanted to try to understand some of your success, I mentioned humility a minute ago, but also spending time in God's word.

[00:34:49] And so, again, we will have to maybe go on because he has apparently dropped off the line. So, let me just finish off with some of the things that are there. Because, again, we probably will not be able to connect up with him because he's in Brazil. But I thought it would be kind of helpful to some of you to know that, indeed, he is an individual that, in the last chapter there, talks about being a missionary athlete.

[00:35:15] There is an opportunity there for Christ's, Athletes for Christ's Ministry, which came into being back in 1984 in Sao Paulo. It's a Brazilian group composed of athletes from various sports actually being able to go out and present some of the gospel. And this has been a way in which they've used this to actually help people with group meetings and a variety of other issues. So, if nothing else, I thought that this would be a great book for you to know more about.

[00:35:45] If you do know of a young person who, in one way or another, is interested in sports, maybe has been following some of the things happening in our society, I would highly encourage you to get a copy of that because I think they would benefit tremendously from the book as well. Well, again, that was an interview that we tried to pull together.

[00:36:07] And just before we take a break, let me mention that two of the other articles that I've posted for you today are on topics that I addressed earlier. One of those had to do with, as I mentioned, our friend Jim Dennison pointing out that if he had a chance, he'd write three columns today, one about the Rededicate 250, one on Ebola in Africa, which we'll probably get to later in the week. And the other one is on this issue with Nicholas Kristof.

[00:36:34] And he uses that as a good illustration that, as we say so often here on Point of View, we really have to have some level of discernment because he says, trust is an especially precious thing for the press. Consider, and he says, that nothing we do matters unless audiences believe us. He says, your solid sourcing, top-notch writing skills matter little if readers think you are a weasel.

[00:37:03] And it's interesting, he uses that as an introduction into this story that appeared in the New York Times because he says, it really is disturbing that what you ended up with is a flimsily sourced op-ed in the particular story by Nicholas Kristof, which was a story about supposed abuses taking place when Israeli leaders were dealing with people from Hamas.

[00:37:33] But what I found so interesting is that he reminds us that there have been many other examples of that as well. For example, back on October 17th, of course, as I pointed out in our piece that we posted on Friday, we actually had a commission's findings in which they interviewed 400 witnesses, survivors, and others

[00:37:56] and sifted through all sorts of photographs and visual analysis to understand some of the barbarism that took place. So I wanted you to be able to see this article because, if nothing else, this article is a great illustration of the fact that just because it appears in the New York Times doesn't mean that it actually took place.

[00:38:20] And he goes on for three pages to really, in a very significant way, document some of the real problems with how the New York Times has covered the war between Israel and Hamas. And then, of course, by implication, how in many cases have documented how poorly the New York Times, which has always been the paper of record, has poorly covered the Iranian war. We're able to get Celis back once again.

[00:38:50] And I thought just for the last few minutes, I might talk about being, if you will, a missionary athlete because that group called Athletes for Christ is a ministry that came to Sao Paulo back in 1984. And it's just another great opportunity for people to use their academic and their athletic backgrounds to advance the gospel. So whether you're in a classroom or you're out on the field, it does seem to me that there's a real opportunity to witness for Jesus Christ.

[00:39:20] And that is something you've been doing as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Athletes of Christ has been created in 1978 for one goalkeeper. His name is John Hattie. And the other is a striker. His name is Balthazar.

[00:39:39] And they created this group, I think, in a way to help people, to help players to succeed in their career and being out of the statistics I said to you before, that four out of five are bankrupt,

[00:40:03] employed, divorced after two years after their retirement in a very difficult career. Because they finished, the majority finished their career about 38 years of age. And then they have 60 years to live. Yes. How to do with this without a structure, without having a balanced life?

[00:40:31] And this is kind of complicated, right? Yes. Well, I think it's a great testimony. Just before we ran out of time, your last chapter talks about the fact that after you read the book, you said, well, Celis has been successful. He played in Europe, became a multi-time champion, revered in Argentinian soccer, met celebrities from film and music, even had lunch with global leaders. What a remarkable achievement. But then it gets back to the subtitle of your book, and even the title of your book,

[00:41:00] your definition of success, which I think is the biblical definition of success, is different than the world's definition. Can you explain? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that if you have the word at your feet, but you have no God to guide you, I think it's a wrong way.

[00:41:28] And I think that like Joshua in chapter 1, in verse 9, that God says to us, be brave and courageous. Don't fear. I am your God. I will be with you wherever you go. So I think these people must understand that you have to live, you have to be happy,

[00:41:54] you have to pursue your dreams, but you have to think about an eternal life, because this is not at the end. And here is not the end. You have an eternal life to live, and you must think about that. Well, again, the book is entitled Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God, and Glory, published by our friends at Harvest House. You might be able to find it in your local bookstore, but we have information about it on our website at pointofview.net.

[00:42:23] You might want to pass it on to a young person that's really interested in the sporting world, but maybe needs to know more about this whole idea of success. I might just mention we also have a link to Beyond Success, where purpose meets performance, and you can see more about the book and also learn a little bit more. This would be something that you could use even as an evangelistic outreach to sports teams and things of that nature. So, Celis, thank you for being with us today, and thank you for calling back again from Brazil.

[00:42:54] So thank you for doing that. Just before I run out of time, let me mention tomorrow, Sean Cordopassi will be with us on Wednesday. We have Paul Weaver going to talk about archaeology. It's going to be a great week. Most importantly, I want to thank Megan for help pulling all that together. Steve, thank you for producing the program. See you back here tomorrow, right here on Point of View. The Bible tells us not to worry, and yet there is a lot of worrying stuff in our world today.

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