Point of View July 17, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:01] Back to our second hour of the Millennial Round Table today. I am continuing on this hour with Holly Randall at First Liberty Institute and Liberty McCarter. She's a writer with Point of View.

[00:00:33] We are turning our discussion from the last hour where we really broke down the assassination attempt, our views on how we got there culturally, and hopefully where we'll head from here, which is more of a sense of unity, but some of us expressed our doubts last hour.

[00:00:49] We're turning now to news that has been breaking ever since the assassination attempt on Saturday out of the RNC, the Republican National Convention, which is being held in Milwaukee. There is no shortage of things for us to discuss.

[00:01:02] Ladies, I would love to keep this an open forum and platform, anything you want to talk about related to the RNC. One of the things that I have to start with, however, is the announcement I think many Americans have been waiting for,

[00:01:14] which was the announcement of President Trump's 2024 running mate, who is Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio. His name had been circulating, as were several other names. We know Senator Marco Rubio received the paperwork. Byron Donalds of Florida was on the list, as were several other high-profile politicians.

[00:01:35] J.D. Vance for me stood out for a few reasons. One, he's very young. He's 39 years old, and he has been a senator for only a couple of years, so there's not a huge record. If you don't know much about him, neither did I, frankly.

[00:01:49] There's not much of a record there. We do know he's expressed very, very pro-life views, at least in the past. Some of those views, I think it looks like he's amended over the last few weeks,

[00:02:00] now whether that's because he's now running with President Trump, who has reneged on a lot of pro-life views, or whether that's just because of the nature of politics.

[00:02:09] One other thing that stood out to me, Liberty, I'll start with you, is that he is a former critic of President Trump. He was not a big supporter of President Trump the first go-around, and in fact was critical of him publicly and has since said he was wrong,

[00:02:26] that President Trump's record in his first term ended up being more conservative than anticipated, and he's changed his tune. I don't view that as a negative for Senator Vance. I actually view that as a positive.

[00:02:39] I think when we're looking at President Trump's campaign and the RNC in general right now, they are full-fledged trying to get swing median voters. I mean, all of their attention, they were talking about diversity and equity from the stage, inclusion from the stage, night one.

[00:02:55] I've not heard a single social issue. I haven't heard anything about families talked. We can discuss this later as well. We haven't heard anything about faith being talked about, conservative social issues being talked about. We're hearing a lot about tax and the economy.

[00:03:08] And so one thing I'm wondering, this is just conjecture, but also based on the speech I heard from President Trump at a Faith and Freedom event a few weeks ago I attended, he said, well, my base needs to show up. You guys aren't voting.

[00:03:22] We need the evangelicals to show up. And I wonder if this choice in J.D. Vance's liberty is perhaps to let those conservatives, the evangelical group, a large part of the Republican base and 30 percent of all voters are evangelicals. Does J.D. Vance appeal to them?

[00:03:41] Maybe they are critical of Trump or were previously critical of Trump, and now that he's going closer to the median and looking more moderate, they're less mobilized. So part of me wondered if J.D. Vance was a good strategic move for the Republican base. That's interesting, Chelsea.

[00:03:56] I hadn't really thought of it that way in terms of picking somebody who had been vocally opposed on purpose to kind of, you know, comfort people who were having second thoughts. I kind of see it more as him not,

[00:04:12] Trump intentionally not striving to placate evangelicals and taking the vote for granted because I as Holly and I were talking about on the break, I think that the Republicans take for granted the fact that most evangelicals aren't going to vote for Biden.

[00:04:29] And so I think they are trying to get a lot of those more moderate voters who maybe are losing faith in Biden. So to me, if you really wanted to reach out to the evangelicals, you could have gone with, you know,

[00:04:40] Tim Scott or somebody who has proven for a long time on social conservative issues. I see this as more of a doubling down on, you know, what Trump has been saying from the beginning. And you know what? I have to hand it to him.

[00:04:54] I think he's right that in terms of American voters, concerns are moving away from a lot of those socially conservative issues. And I don't necessarily agree with that.

[00:05:06] But I think that he has tapped into the concerns of a lot of people from various political backgrounds who are now all coalescing around common concerns related to the working class.

[00:05:17] So I think J.D. Vance is palatable for evangelicals, but I don't necessarily think that he was chosen to woo evangelicals. That's a really good point. Holly, I'd love your response.

[00:05:26] Yeah, I agree with Liberty. I think when you look at J.D. Vance's, you know, even career up to now, I mean, he wrote Hillbilly Elegy.

[00:05:35] I admittedly haven't read it. I'm planning this weekend that I have to watch it because now this man is a heartbeat from the presidency. But I think he has a certain appeal to people in that part of the country.

[00:05:46] And we know Trump needs voters from Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan and those kind of Midwest states that have a lot of manufacturing jobs. They have a lot of oil and gas, coal type of jobs.

[00:05:58] They have a lot of union influence. We know that the union leaders have said semi favorable things about J.D. Vance, which is rare for a Republican. And so I think Trump is really trying to cement sort of a voter bloc.

[00:06:12] I know there's been this trend. We're talking about a lot of trends here today. And you used to think of Republican Party voters as people that were educated and wealthy. And now there's this sort of populist movement.

[00:06:23] And I think Trump with J.D. Vance is really trying to select someone that came from a background that's familiar to people in the United States. It's going to vote for him. He wrote about living in Appalachia and joining the Marines.

[00:06:36] And he sort of has this kind of pull yourself up by your bootstraps and go to Yale Law School kind of appeal to him. And so I think a lot of Trump's motivation in doing that is really to hammer home that successful populism that's been right.

[00:06:51] Because Trump is wealthy. He grew up wealthy. He does commercial real estate. And maybe there's a disconnect for some American voters in that. And so I think J.D. Vance is really to appeal to that. And like Liberty said, he's pretty good on evangelical issues.

[00:07:06] You know, he himself is in an interfaith marriage. I believe he's a Catholic convert. His wife is a practicing Hindu. So there's a lot of different factors here that kind of motivate to maybe him being the selection that Trump wanted.

[00:07:20] That's an interesting point. I like that you raised specifically, Holly, about, you know, this idea of really the parties have have changed a lot in the last few years significantly. And the Democrat Party really has come to represent elitism. I mean, there's no one more elitist than Obama's.

[00:07:40] Right. They are peak Ivy League elitists at their core. There's a lot of that mentality and there's a lot of Americans hurting right now. I mean, the economy is struggling. Inflation's at an all time high.

[00:07:53] I like to see the RNC focusing so much on the economy because I think average everyday Americans feel that every day. That's what they care about. Forget politics. They're caring about their struggles.

[00:08:04] And J.D. Vance appeals to that. His book, which did turn into a I think an Academy Award nominated, if not winning film produced, Hillbilly Elegy tells the story of growing up in struggling steel mill city and his roots in the Appalachian, Kentucky.

[00:08:22] And it's a story that talks about, you know, poor white working class citizens. It talks about struggles with addiction, which his mother, I believe, struggled with alcohol and drug addiction.

[00:08:35] You know, he has an everyday man appeal about him more on the RNC when we get back after this short break. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. J. Warner Wallace has a new book out with the title The Truth and True Crime.

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[00:11:05] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where we are discussing President Trump's choice of J.D. Vance, Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio, as his running mate.

[00:11:14] And, you know, as we look into his record, you know, there's not exactly a lot there for us to go off of, but he is not overtly discussing conservative social issues, as is, by the way, I haven't heard any of that really discussed from the convention stage.

[00:11:31] So I've been watching on and off the last few days. I don't know if either of you have been following closely, but I am concerned by what I'm hearing from this stage. What I'm hearing from this stage, you know, as my personal views, personal Chelsea Yeoman views,

[00:11:45] individually that I'm not hearing a lot of traditional conservative principles or values discussed. I'm not hearing discussions about what it means to defend constitutional rights, Holly, or religious liberty. I've heard zero about that. I've heard zero about faith.

[00:12:02] I've heard zero about maybe a little bit about gun rights, a lot about immigration, a lot about mass deportation, which is fine. You know, that's part of the Republican goals right now and political expediency and national security,

[00:12:18] lots on national security, lots on isolationists from a foreign diplomacy standpoint. So getting out of the war in Ukraine, quit funding the war and against Russia and pulling out of that, you know, economy, economy, economy. Those are conservative things. We've heard things about taxes.

[00:12:35] But on the social side of things, you know, which really differentiates the Republicans from the libertarians. That's what I'm really saying here. A classical liberalism, which is libertarianism, is, you know, freedom for all, including on social issues.

[00:12:52] Whereas, you know, the liberal Democrat side, you know, traditionally, historically says, you know, freedom on social regulation on economy.

[00:13:03] Republicans are the inverse of that, and they traditionally say freedom on economy and regulations on social things that we care deeply about protecting the family, for instance, unborn children, for instance, marriage, for instance. Liberalism is freedom on both aspects or libertarianism, I should say, is freedom on both.

[00:13:21] And I'm seeing a huge libertarian bend. You know, we had let's see, was it Newt Gingrich, I believe, who is saying that President Trump?

[00:13:30] Yes, it was Newt Gingrich said, and I quote, that every single line of the Republican platform was reviewed and personally written or edited by Trump.

[00:13:43] And what we're seeing is reneging on those socially conservative values. Have either of you noticed this or flagged this in the recent days or months on the Republican side of things?

[00:13:53] Yeah, I think. Admittedly, I haven't been watching every moment of the RNC. I've mostly been following it on Twitter afterwards. So some of this comes with the filter of I'm only seeing what my, you know, ex feed wants to show me.

[00:14:05] But most of what I've seen so far from a sort of religious liberty, a pro-life individual rights standpoint has not been all that positive coming out of the RNC.

[00:14:14] I was disappointed and I know you can speak really well to this and Liberty as well in what they did with the pro-life platform in far as advancing Republican Party planks.

[00:14:24] And there's really no mention of religious liberty in the platform anymore. And it's just been disappointing to see. We talked a lot, Liberty and I during the break about offering a Sikh prayer as a benediction at the RNC in front of the crowd.

[00:14:36] It's just been not the easiest thing to watch as someone that considers herself personally an evangelical voter and has things that I really care about. And that's, you know, valuing human life and protecting religious liberty and securing individual rights.

[00:14:52] Again, I've I've enjoyed the conversation surrounding immigration and the economy and national security. Those are incredibly important things that can't be overlooked. But I just think those can't be the only things in the RNC.

[00:15:06] You know, from my vantage point, that's somewhat limited so far has been mostly a commitment to that instead of really mentioning anything that I look at before voting. Yes. I mean, it's in my mind, unrecognizable as a Republican Party.

[00:15:21] And I think everybody should know that as you watch it, pay attention because, you know, Liberty, I'd love your thoughts on this. But, you know, things that Republicans traditionally hold dear. 30 percent of all voters, 30 percent are evangelicals.

[00:15:36] That is a huge demographic and voting bloc. And I am deeply concerned that President Trump and his team are overplaying their hand, assuming that that voting bloc is with him. And, you know, some some of that voting bloc, they're single issue voters.

[00:15:51] And I can't talk about that voting bloc without saying their number one and two issues for the last two decades is abortion and protecting unborn children in the womb from violence. So if they're not mobilized, you know, he thinks he has a big tent.

[00:16:04] You know, he's really pandering to these media voters middle of the road. You know, has he overplayed his hand? We'll see in November. What are your thoughts on that, Liberty?

[00:16:12] Yeah. You know, I'm so glad you mentioned that, Chelsea, because we were talking about this over the break a second ago.

[00:16:18] Yeah, I think that Republicans need to be really careful about not taking the evangelical vote for granted, because I think most thoughtful people know that there is no political party that's going to 100 percent match up with everything they believe.

[00:16:33] But like you said, a lot of people are single issue voters and people have not been able in good conscience.

[00:16:41] Many people to cast a vote for Democrats because of the abortion issue, even if maybe there were some other issues that they weren't sure about on the conservative side. And so obviously, I think in general, Republicans are still a lot better on abortion than Democrats.

[00:16:54] But we're starting to see them backtrack or say, leave it up to the states or we don't need a federal ban or we can allow the abortion pill to keep being sent out to women by mail.

[00:17:07] I think Trump said that he supported the Supreme Court decision that allowed that to continue taking place. And we know that the majority of abortions in America take place with the abortion pill.

[00:17:16] And so if you're not tackling that, you're not tackling abortion in any meaningful way in the United States.

[00:17:22] So if this trend continues over the next several years and there's not a whole lot of difference between Democrats and Republicans on abortion, then I think Republicans are going to have a big wake up call.

[00:17:34] Because we've seen on the Democrat side, they have taken minority votes for granted for a long time. And they haven't actually done a whole lot to deal with the concerns of minority voters.

[00:17:46] And now what's happening, you're seeing that Trump is getting a lot of minority votes because they're like, well, hey, at least he's going to help me on the economy or I'm struggling with inflation right now. And so he's speaking to me on that.

[00:18:00] And so what's going to happen with evangelicals in the future if Republicans don't stay firm on the social issues like abortion?

[00:18:09] I don't know. And I will say really quickly, like in terms of classical liberalism, I think that we can be allies with classical liberals because in terms of true tolerance that they do have a true tolerance.

[00:18:21] It's not the progressive like you have to agree with every single thing. You have to affirm everything that I believe in order for us to work together. But at the same time, we have to say there is a difference.

[00:18:32] And as a traditional conservative and an evangelical Christian, I do think we have to speak to those biblical values issues. That's what point of view is all about. So I am concerned about the direction of the party. I am, too.

[00:18:46] And, you know, I think that to say practically, you know, the response is so often it's a binary choice. It's either Biden or Trump. That's that's true in a practical sense.

[00:18:54] But we you know, we as social conservatives have to have our voices heard and an expectation to earn our vote as our candidate to represent us.

[00:19:04] And I have some insider views on this because I did attend that that Trump with faith and freedom, that Trump event with faith and freedom three weeks ago where he was talking to this voting bloc, the evangelical conservative voting bloc.

[00:19:16] And he said he's leaning hard on his pro-life record from last time. But at the same time, he's reneging on that those promises for the future term. And that's a problem to me. And he said, well, we have to win elections. We have to win elections.

[00:19:28] And that is true. But at what cost? And then we know also from my work at Human Coalition that he actively blocked pro-life advocates from being delegates at the convention.

[00:19:39] And he actively edited and revised the pro-life party platform to make it a state issue instead of a federal one.

[00:19:48] So while, yes, it acknowledged 14th Amendment equal protection rights for children in the womb, that we should allow children in the womb to be treated with all the same rights and inherent dignity as born people. And they are people. They are humans and they are alive.

[00:20:02] You know, that's good. But at the same time, he weakened it to a certain extent by making it a states right issue so he doesn't have to deal with it. And I just don't think this is a corporate thing. We can mark our check the box.

[00:20:14] We overturned Roe. There are a million children who died from abortion last year. It was the highest abortion rate in 12 years was the year after Roe was overturned. Our work isn't done.

[00:20:27] And why are they not talking about care for women and pregnant women, which, by the way, is something the pro-life movement has owned for decades? You know, we can own that outright. Let's expand the network of care for pregnant women in need.

[00:20:40] You know, there are positive directions to go on some of these issues that we have work to do, don't we, Liberty? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And so I'd love to see people who have Trump's ear really press that and say, don't give up on this.

[00:20:53] Don't give up on family-friendly policies. Don't give up on the pro-life issue. If you want to truly keep your base that supported you the first time, you're going to have to stay strong on these social issues.

[00:21:03] And if J.D. Vance is going to carry the mantle forward for this new Republican Party, I hope he picks up on that message as well. I hope so, too. We have yet to see it. We have a lot of prayer ahead of us, certainly.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where we are going to be closing out our hour with Liberty McCarter and Holly Randall. You can like us on Facebook. Go to Point of View Radio on Facebook. Like and comment.

[00:23:25] We love to hear from you. And don't forget to go to pointofview.net and read our topic discussions and more. We're going to be shifting gears from the RNC, the Republican side of things.

[00:23:37] Although it was a devastating weekend for Republicans in our nation, an attack on democracy on Saturday, politically speaking, it's really turned things around in the election. And I can't finish our show today without talking about the walls closing in on the Democrats.

[00:23:58] We just have to talk about it. It's really an incredible thing that we're witnessing, a historic thing, and not just because of the assassination attempt. I mean, the polls were trending towards President Trump leading into Saturday and have only accelerated in his favor since.

[00:24:15] And so I'm going to read you a few numbers. I'm going to set the stage, and then we're going to talk about the Biden problem because that is just what I can't wait to talk about.

[00:24:22] The top states that will decide this election, the swing states, there are – let's see, how many of them are there? There are six purple states that President Joe Biden won in 2020, and all of them now have President Donald Trump leading, according to these recent polls.

[00:24:39] I always have to preface this by saying we can't make too much of the polls. We still have a long – we're a long way out. But they are indicative of, you know, in this current moment in time, public sentiment in these states.

[00:24:51] Arizona being the first has a very large lead. Trump lost Arizona narrowly by 11,000 votes in 2020, and he is leading by 5.7 points right now over Biden. Georgia is nearly four points. He's ahead. President Trump has a very narrow lead but is leading in Michigan, which is by 1.3 points.

[00:25:16] Nevada, he is up by three points. Pennsylvania, which is Biden's home state – that's sad. President Trump is up by 4.5-point average. And then finally in Wisconsin, he's winning by three points.

[00:25:28] And I'm letting you guys know this because there is a three-state trifecta, which everybody refers to as the blue wall, that have to be won, that President Biden won in 2020 to keep Biden in this race. And that's Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

[00:25:46] And President Trump looks like he's ahead in all of those right now. And so the Democrats have a real problem when it comes to the electability of President Biden, particularly as he contrasts with the strength and really vision casting.

[00:26:00] I would say President Trump's biggest strength, besides being funny and popular, is that he casts a vision for America. And Biden doesn't cast a vision for anything. I mean we know what he's against. We know he's against Trump. But really we're not seeing a vision cast.

[00:26:18] What are y'all's take on this shift and what we're seeing in the polls, whether it's before Saturday or after Saturday? Chelsea, I think you make an interesting point about Trump having a vision for America.

[00:26:31] And whether you agree with every part of it or not, then – I mean you're right though. Like he is communicating that. And in the past I know I've heard conservatives and the Republican Party criticized a lot for only being known for what they are against.

[00:26:48] And I don't know if at least this modern kind of conservative wing of the Republican Party ever really succeeded in casting a socially conservative positive vision politically for America.

[00:27:05] And I think that may have been part of the problem just as well as the changing religious landscape and culture. That may have been part of the problem because that was never compelling enough or made in a compelling enough case to motivate a lot of voters.

[00:27:22] But when you play into people's fears and the things that they are really concerned about and the ways that – the direction the country is heading that is not good. And you say, hey, I have a solution to that, which is what Trump has done.

[00:27:35] Then that will motivate people and I think that's what we're seeing. And so it's kind of an interesting turn of events because back in 2015, 2016 after eight years of Obama, it was like Republicans, what are you doing?

[00:27:47] How do you not have unity at this point to have a vision forward for the future? And now we're seeing Democrats kind of I think fall apart and for once Republicans are really, really unified around Trump and this new direction of the Republican Party.

[00:28:03] I know the Republicans probably don't know what to do with themselves because they're used to being like a little bit of a debacle, can be really embarrassing publicly. But the Democrats have their own public embarrassment right now.

[00:28:17] And Holly, I want to get your take on this polling shift before we turn to the candidate issue. But what's your take on these purple states?

[00:28:26] I believe I even heard that Virginia is officially in play, which is usually – the Democrats really have Virginia shored up as of recent years.

[00:28:36] Sure. I think Virginia, I mean, you have to give a little bit of credit there to Glenn Youngkin and people seeing the success that he's had in that state and liking what he's doing and seeing, you know, maybe if I vote for a Republican, I'll see similar success for this country.

[00:28:48] You know, the states you listed off as the blue wall, I believe you said Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan, all of those are squarely surrounding J.D. Vance territory.

[00:29:02] And I know as much as people from Michigan don't want to cheer someone on from Ohio all the time, you can't help but think about how, you know, he's selected someone to be on his ticket that understands those states and the people that live in those states.

[00:29:15] And I'm sure that they're encouraged by thinking someone that's out there that's going to be close to the president and have his ear is going to understand what we need in this part of the country.

[00:29:26] And I'm sure that has something to do with it. You know, I think I know where you're going when you said the candidate issue. We kind of have a confluence of events here.

[00:29:32] It was not even a month ago that the debate happened and then the NATO press conference. Yeah. And the big boy preps conference or whatever we called it, like we've just seen a succession of Biden failures all in a row and a lot of Trump successes lately.

[00:29:52] And then Saturday. And it's just it's felt like a huge swing in the direction that November is going both in the polls and in people. You know, that's that's a good point, because we have to talk about the down ballot impact.

[00:30:07] You know, Democrats aren't just panicking at the top of the ticket. I you know, this article that we have posted on point of view net talks about a mass exodus exodus of Democrat donors from the presidential donation and PAC donation side down to the down ballot.

[00:30:24] Because if they're looking at a gigantic landslide by President Trump, which I think if the election happened today would be the case. Then you have down ballot senators, representatives. I mean, you're talking to House, you're talking the Senate gets lost.

[00:30:40] You're talking that just down ballot state legislative impact of the November election is very significant. So I wanted to highlight that we're going to talk about Biden, though, because I can't let it go that a month ago. You're absolutely right, Holly. We saw the hard.

[00:30:57] I don't know. It's like a Caesar moment before our very eyes where the Democrats turned on their primary elected candidate, President Biden, and as publicly as possible, tried to push him as hard and fast out of office.

[00:31:14] You know, you even had George Clooney for what his opinions were. But he attended a donor event, raised millions and millions and millions of dollars for President Biden. And three weeks later, publicly made a statement that he's unfit for office. Right.

[00:31:27] You know, the the way that they turned on him was malicious. It was vicious. And frankly, it's a self-created problem. Right. I mean, Liberty, we have to talk about the responsibility here that they had. Biden ran again. They put him up when they knew he was too old.

[00:31:41] He has a VP candidate who's not viable for a national ticket, which is why Kamala is not replaced Biden so far. They've self-created this problem by insisting on the route they've taken. And now that they're stuck with him, you know, by all observation, they're panicking.

[00:31:59] But I do want to add to that, Liberty, before I get your take that this idea that. Well, we can get there how they're going to push him out, because I think they thought enough pressure would require Biden to step down and resign.

[00:32:13] And instead he's doubled down, hasn't he? Yeah, he has. And, you know, he's made a few concessions, like only if there was a big medical issue, would I step down?

[00:32:23] And I wonder how that's going to be used against him, because a lot of people, even before the Democrats, you know, got scared and turned on him, have been pointing out the whole, you know, health issues for a long time, both physical and mental.

[00:32:37] And whether he's able to continue carrying out the responsibilities of the presidency. But I've said it before and I'll say it again.

[00:32:47] Whenever they were putting Biden forward as the candidate, I was kind of surprised because there were so many, it seemed like up and comers among the Democrats in Congress and governors who really excited the younger, progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

[00:33:09] And it kind of saw like the same issue that had happened in 2015 with Republicans. And they had so many interesting candidates, but there was a lack of organization of who to get behind.

[00:33:19] And it seemed that way then four years ago with the Democrats, so many, you know, kind of young, interesting candidates for Democrats. But then they choose what they felt would be safe and controllable. And now they're paying the price for that.

[00:33:35] I have a feeling they have something up their sleeve. I'll disclose that after the short break. You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth. Back to the millennial roundtable where we are discussing the Democrat conundrum that is President Biden.

[00:34:12] So I think that we already summarized, to summarize here, the hard push, hard full court press to push him out of the top of the ticket before the convention, the Democrat convention, which is coming up very quickly.

[00:34:29] So what's left? What are the options now with President Biden, who's untenable from a mental health standpoint? Apparently, apparently it's going to be unable for him to continue on much longer. Very serious health concerns. They can't push him out. They can't get him to resign.

[00:34:48] He has, in fact, doubled down. So what are the options before them? Well, lucky for everyone, I did a bunch of research and so I'll break it down here.

[00:34:58] I have an article from Axios.com, which if you don't know them, they are very, very liberal leaning media outlet and have a lot of insider intel.

[00:35:09] You can read this at pointofview.net where they have said that there's currently a committee to unelect the president with high ranking Democrat officials, whether they're from the Clinton administration, the Obama administration, but then also just high ranking DNC members.

[00:35:26] Where they're discussing what their options are going to be, that they're very concerned that the blue wall, the Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania states are leaning towards President Trump now. And so what they're doing is considering who a valid replacement for President Biden would be.

[00:35:45] And because the donors are starting to back off according to these sources of donating to the PACs, that they're deeply concerned that they're still going to need to replace President Biden. And so the way that they could do that is at the convention, which would be complete chaos.

[00:36:01] The delegates at the convention for the Democrats are already promised through the primary process to President Biden. And so for them to force those delegates to open up their votes would be a really public debacle and really ugly. But guess what I found, guys?

[00:36:19] I found and went in red so you didn't have to. The rules and procedures for the DNC. I'm not kidding. I read 30 plus 40 pages of documents here, 39 to be specific. Were you like trying to fall asleep at night? That doesn't sound like the most thrilling reading.

[00:36:38] I'm trying to figure out what the Democrats are about to do. And I think I did. OK, so on page 22, G is the name of this. I'm going to read it to you so you know I'm not making this up.

[00:36:48] Filling a vacancy on the national ticket is the title. In the event of a death, resignation or disability of a nominee of the party for president. So after the DNC, once he's officially the nominee. After the adjournment of the convention.

[00:37:04] So after the convention, the national chairperson of the Democratic National Committee shall confer with Democratic leadership of the United States Congress and the Democratic Governors Association and shall report to the DNC who is authorized to fill the vacancy or vacancies.

[00:37:25] So there is a post convention scenario possible, according to their rules, where the head of the DNC will meet after the convention, after the delegates vote for President Biden, where they view him as incapacitated. They'll meet and confer and then come up with a replacement.

[00:37:46] And they would have to do that. Technically speaking, it's going to be very procedurally difficult because all 50 states, secretaries of states run the 50 state elections and they have to have a name to put on their ballots within 70 days of voting.

[00:37:58] So by the end of August for some of these states, I've looked into that too. So that's an option. I don't I'm throwing a wrench in your plans. I would love to hear your thoughts on is are we going to stick with President Biden?

[00:38:08] Is it too risky to replace him at this juncture to procedurally or politically impossible after the last month of stabbing him in the back publicly? Or, you know, do you think what just just conjecture with me what what you think they're going to do?

[00:38:23] I don't think they let Biden stay. And, you know, I think it's sad that we're at this point as a country where our president is in this state.

[00:38:33] You know, I just to be honest, I get sad whenever I watch him watch him speak because I feel like at this point he just needs to be, you know, needs to retire. But I don't think they're going to let him say he's lost the, you know, Hollywood.

[00:38:49] He's lost Hollywood. He's lost the media. He's lost the donors. He's lost his base. Only 48 percent of Democratic voters want him to remain the nominee versus 83 percent who want Trump to remain the Republican nominee. So he just doesn't have a lot of backing and support.

[00:39:03] And I think the people who have been on the, you know, worked with the Clintons and the Obamas and kind of the big powerhouses of the Democratic Party in recent times, you know, like in the Axios article, it was reporting that they're all working on this.

[00:39:17] And I don't see them not coming up with a way to get what they want. Yes. Holly, what are your your thoughts? Of course, again, we're predicting here.

[00:39:27] There's no way to be able to tell for sure, but all signs are pointing to their commitment to oust President Trump. Sure.

[00:39:35] Sure. I think you have to follow the money is what I would look at and see, you know, is Joe Biden continuing to be the Democratic nominee going to end up losing them a lot of money in campaign fundraising?

[00:39:47] And then I think that's one of the major factors that they'll finally, hopefully potentially motivate people to replace him on the ballot if they can't keep up. We know the Trump campaign has plenty of dollars in its campaign coffers.

[00:40:02] If Democratic fundraising and that's just like you mentioned earlier, down ticket.

[00:40:07] If having Joe Biden on the presidential nominee hurts fundraising for down ticket races as well, I think that's when they really start thinking more practically about replacing him because they know they have to have those and they have to have the presidency as well.

[00:40:22] But I would just say all the money and see what happens next. That's that's a good point. You know, I will add, you know, from this article that they're saying, and I quote, a fatalism and a sense of resignation has gripped the party from coast to coast.

[00:40:36] And I think you can see that and you can tell that. But practically speaking, President Vice President Harris is the only one entitled to the PAC money. You know, the 200 million plus and maybe 250 million dollar DNC PAC only goes to the ticket. Those who are on the ticket.

[00:40:58] And so there's some practical difficulties and challenges to just replacing Biden. It's not that that can be done simply, which is what I'm trying to highlight here. But, you know, there's a lot of time between now and November, we've said, and a lot can happen during that time.

[00:41:13] And I think that if they partnered Vice President Harris with a very likable, progressive, you know, fresh person on that ticket, it might reinvigorate their base and party.

[00:41:26] You know, when the number one challenge is they're going to have right now with President Biden at the head is demobilization of voters. You know, voters just don't know what they're voting for, who, what vision they're casting.

[00:41:37] So they're just not going to show up or, you know, the media and are defecting over to the Republican Party is what some of the polls are showing among suburban housewives. Specifically, middle aged women are demographic and also among minority voters are trending red for the first time.

[00:41:53] Historic numbers for decades. Well, I think all of that could turn on a dime. You know, the Republican Party we've discussed on this show has really placed a lot of confidence in getting those median voters at this for the sake of sacrificing even the evangelical base vote.

[00:42:09] I think a female led ticket with, you know, a Governor Whitmer from Michigan or really progressive, you know, Newsom is on as a name on everybody's mouth lately.

[00:42:19] I think those swing voters swing right back if they if they have someone they like better than Trump, especially among those suburban housewives.

[00:42:26] So, you know, this isn't over, but I just wanted to highlight, you know, what the DNC committee rules say that the committee is responsible for filling a vacancy after the convention. Should someone become disabled after the convention? I don't know that that's out of the question.

[00:42:41] And we certainly have a lot to pray for. Don't we, ladies? Definitely. Well, we know that you guys are so committed to the movement. I want to give both of you a brief chance here, Holly, to give us a plug for First Liberty Institute and your work there.

[00:42:55] Go to first liberty dot org to support and follow them. Thank you for being with us. Liberty McCarter. She's a point of view. And of course, I'm with Human Coalition. Thanks for joining our show today, everyone.

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